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Speaker 3: Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and each week on Beyond Contact,

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Speaker 3: we'll explore the latest news in ufology, discuss some of

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Speaker 4: Welcome to Beyond Contact. I am Captain Ron, and today

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Speaker 4: we're going to be speaking with Benny Foggin. Benny has

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Speaker 4: quite an interesting story. He has a direct eyewitness to

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Speaker 4: over thirty years ago and was also witnessed by his wife, Patsy.

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Speaker 4: This medal has caught the attention of some of the

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Speaker 4: biggest names in the UFO community, from Luelzando to Tom

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Speaker 4: DeLong to Sean Kirkpatrick and everyone in between. It's really

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Speaker 4: quite a story, and I think it's going to take

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Speaker 4: two parts to get through all of this, as it

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Speaker 4: needs to be combed through chronologically. It is obviously quite

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Speaker 4: a claim to make, but I think it's worth hearing

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Speaker 4: him out given the caliber of individuals who seem to

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Speaker 4: I have seen many of the emails from these individuals,

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Speaker 4: as well as several of the lab reports. I'm going

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Speaker 4: to walk through every step of Benny's story with him

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Speaker 4: so we can all get an understanding of how this

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Speaker 4: all unfolded. As you shall see, it's not as easy

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Speaker 4: as one would think. Even if you did recover a

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Speaker 4: just don't know what to do with it. Benny wants

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Speaker 4: Good to see you, sir. I appreciate it. You know,

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Speaker 4: you have quite an interesting story here, and I think

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Speaker 4: so we all understand what you've been through over the years.

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Speaker 4: So it's my understanding that back in nineteen ninety five,

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Speaker 4: I think the day before you actually discovered this piece

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Speaker 5: Yes, sir, it was at nighttime down the road we

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Speaker 5: It's sort of I call them like wings, but they

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Speaker 5: It was at least a couple of hundred foot long,

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Speaker 5: Yes, it was a gravel driveway driveway, and it was

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Speaker 5: Yeah. It was pretty. It was good size. It was

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Speaker 5: and she goes, I don't care what anybody says, this

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Speaker 4: Well, she had just saw one the night before, and

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Speaker 4: it just feels logical to you also that something must

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Speaker 5: Right right, and things have happened before that also, So yeah,

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Speaker 4: But as far as you would notice this in the driveway,

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Speaker 4: that it fell from this object. Yeah, yeah, but not

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Speaker 5: Right, It's like we knew it. Yeah. I reached down

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Speaker 5: you what happened later. Then there was like some sort

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Speaker 4: his rediscovery of the metal, which had been forgotten about

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Speaker 4: with Benny Foggin about the meta material here recovered. So, Benny,

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Speaker 4: They send a lot of things there. A lot of

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Speaker 5: Back in nineteen ninety is when we met Bill Jones

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Speaker 5: we just have an off type of UFO things going

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Speaker 4: So you could still feel the weight of it in

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Speaker 4: That's exactly what I would do. That's perfect. So what

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Speaker 4: We're going to talk with Benny about what happened next

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Speaker 4: about the meta material he had left with Betel Labs

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Speaker 5: Right They took it and had it for a while,

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Speaker 5: and it came time to give it back to me,

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Speaker 4: Oh my god.

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Speaker 5: And I met a gal named Pat Mason that new

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Speaker 4: That metal out of Battell and back to you.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, you know, to get it to examine it

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Speaker 4: Right, but you don't have it. Battel has it at

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Speaker 5: Right, right right, Joe STIPs in Battel.

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Speaker 5: So the way they told me Pat Mason and uh

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Speaker 4: Oh, he didn't give it to you, He gave it

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Speaker 4: Well, at least Nick was able to recover it. Okay,

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Speaker 5: Right, because I never saw it right and when it

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Speaker 4: He's got the piece back, which is a fraction of

438
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,159
Speaker 4: what you originally turned in. Are you shocked by this?

439
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 5: You have to be, absolutely And I kept telling them

440
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 5: about the red metal and they kept coming back saying,

441
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:31,879
Speaker 5: will but Tail said that there was something organic on

442
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 5: it and it was nothing, And I'm turned around telling him,

443
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 5: I said, well but that's not true. Two or three

444
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 5: years went by before I could talk them into testing

445
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:48,159
Speaker 5: that red residence. I saw an artist, and who's they now?

446
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,400
Speaker 5: Because you said Nick and Phyllis didn't have the equipment

447
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,680
Speaker 5: to do this, So who did you back to? Nick

448
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 5: and Phillis? Now she could do the preliminary testing, and

449
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 5: that's what she did. Now, she did a report on

450
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 5: what she tested, and she has it in John. It's

451
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 5: called black Vault John Greenwald Greenwald. Right, she has a

452
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 5: report on John Greenwald. Believe it's UT zero five zero

453
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 5: with a supplemental UT zero six zero with the red

454
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 5: metal in it. And when she did the testing that

455
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 5: she had, she wrote in that report, which anybody can

456
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,199
Speaker 5: check on it. Okay, all you got to do is

457
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 5: get into his black balls.

458
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 4: Right.

459
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:44,439
Speaker 5: She put down that there's nothing organic to this, it's metal.

460
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 5: The red residue. There was a big chunk of it.

461
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 5: She also has a photo of that in that report.

462
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 5: She scraped off all of that red residue and kept

463
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 5: it and wouldn't give me that back.

464
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh.

465
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 5: Okay.

466
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 4: So now it's like two thousand and nine and Phyllis

467
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:06,679
Speaker 4: has tested this again. She's scraped off this red residue

468
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 4: and then she gives you back what's left of the piece.

469
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:13,719
Speaker 5: Correct, right, The aluminium piece that I had still had

470
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 5: all those spots of the red metal, so that was

471
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 5: still there. So there was evidence of the red metal there.

472
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 4: So this is what around twenty twelve, Now do do

473
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 4: you finally take it to another lab for more testing.

474
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 5: After philis said it needed to be tested more.

475
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, So how do you find a lab like that?

476
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 4: Is this how you get to x Nick Ryder found? Okay,

477
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 4: so this is the one in California, the XOA. When

478
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 4: we come back, we're going to talk to Benny about

479
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 4: what happened next. As his metal goes off to the

480
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 4: other side of the country, once again, he has to

481
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 4: trust to get it back as it is out of

482
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 4: his hands entirely. You're listening to Beyond Contact on the

483
00:28:52,360 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 4: iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We

484
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 4: are back on Beyond Contact. We're speaking with Benny Foggin

485
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 4: about the meta material he had given to a lab

486
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 4: in California. So Nick gets it out to that lab

487
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 4: for testing. What did they find out?

488
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 5: They couldn't believe what they found out. They found out

489
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 5: that there was over fifty or sixty different types of

490
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 5: medals in that aluminum. There's like thirteen rare earth elements.

491
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 5: Every single one of them is in that medal. Everything

492
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 5: you can think of is in that metal.

493
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 4: Do they send it back to Nick, Benny, Yes, they do.

494
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 4: And now at this point you have at least a

495
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 4: lab report showing very unique properties. So what do you

496
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 4: and Nick decide to do with it?

497
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 5: At that point, I decided to have done by other

498
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 5: labs to back up what I'm being told.

499
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 4: Now, do you have to pay for this every time?

500
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 5: Every test that I had done cost three thousand dollars plus?

501
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 4: Okay, so you're coming out of pocket to do this

502
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 4: just because you want to get to the bottom of

503
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 4: what this piece is.

504
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 5: Right, we got a lot of money involved in the testing.

505
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 5: Oh boy, isotope testing also the thing, right?

506
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 4: And what is the isotope testing show?

507
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 5: Unusual? Some of it showed up as questionable that it

508
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 5: wasn't from Earth.

509
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 4: My understanding of isotope testing is it's able to tell

510
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 4: you where the metal is from the unable to determine

511
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 4: if it's on Earth or off Earth, and then they're

512
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 4: able to also kind of get insights to whether or

513
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 4: not it was manufactured or just naturally occurring.

514
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 5: Right, they determined that it was manufactured. When they tried

515
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 5: to investigate it to find out where it was the mine,

516
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 5: there was no records anywhere that even come close to

517
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 5: the medals at Senna.

518
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 4: Wow. Okay, so now we're up to what twenty fourteen?

519
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 4: Did you reach out to Chase Klotsky or Chris Bledsoe

520
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 4: or how did you come across the next quote people?

521
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 5: Okay, well Nick passed away, Nick Bright, Okay, And we

522
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 5: were in contact with a guy named Larry Sekander that

523
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 5: had the Bob White medal.

524
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's another famous one from UFO lore that supposedly

525
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 4: fell from a UFO craft.

526
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 5: Right, And he invited me down to Arkansas, some sort

527
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,239
Speaker 5: of convention that they had. We went down there at

528
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 5: the meetium and talk to him and compare notes, and that's.

529
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 4: You bribe the medal with you. I'm assuming.

530
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 5: I had a few other samples of other medals beside

531
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 5: mine I took with me. That's where I met Chase Blotsky.

532
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 5: I got to talk to her. She wanted to come

533
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 5: up to my Breezy birth and meet us.

534
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 4: And she's part of Moufon at this point, right, so

535
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 4: she wants to investigate.

536
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 5: Oh, she wasn't with mufon then, Okay.

537
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 4: This was before she joined muf on.

538
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 5: Okay, I think I think it was Susan Mouon. Then

539
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 5: she left nice see Okay, Okay, that type of thing.

540
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 5: She came to our house and she brought LORI Wagner,

541
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 5: Chris Bledsoe and a government man that don't want me

542
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 5: to mention his name. Ah, government man, he's big shot.

543
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 5: That was with Chris Bledsoe, and uh, you know, we

544
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 5: did the story, talked about everything.

545
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 4: So what happens as a result of this? Did they

546
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 4: want to take it to another lab or where where

547
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 4: do they want to do with it?

548
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 5: Uh? Yeah? Also Larry Sakandy came with them, King okay,

549
00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 5: and what happened? There was a guy his name was

550
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 5: doctor Rudy Olsen with a company Sali se L e

551
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 5: E Corporation that was experts in Molton medals and they

552
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 5: did a lot of government work. He contacted Larry when

553
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 5: he found out about Bob White's medal and stuff and

554
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 5: wanted to check it out. And Larry told him about

555
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 5: us in our medal and he wanted to check out

556
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 5: Bob White's medal and our medal and Chase asked us

557
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 5: to let her run the show and send the pieces

558
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 5: to Rudy and okay.

559
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 4: So he's going to do an analysis on it of

560
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 4: his own.

561
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 5: Right, and he did. He did full report on it

562
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 5: and then conclusion, you know, he came up and Rudy

563
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 5: said that I'm talking about my middle now. He said

564
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:09,439
Speaker 5: that it was manufactured by an unknown process, that there's

565
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 5: a lot of strange things about it, and it needed

566
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 5: further testing. So that's what he came up with. And

567
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 5: he also did the same thing with the Bob White

568
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 5: medal and found out the same thing.

569
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, So then after you have this information,

570
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 4: now what now a few more years go by, and

571
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 4: then what happens is at twenty eighteen when DeLong reaches

572
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 4: out to you.

573
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 5: Well, Rudy also discovered that there was a few more

574
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 5: elements in our middle that they didn't test for. So okay,

575
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 5: so there was an added to it, to that okay, So.

576
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 4: Every time you do this, you get a little bit

577
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 4: more information that it's even more unique, even more properties,

578
00:34:59,000 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 4: even more special.

579
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 5: Exactly.

580
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 4: That's interesting. Okay. So what is this somehow get the

581
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 4: attention of to the stars or how does that happen next?

582
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 5: Okay? Now, I mentioned that Chris Bledsoe came to our

583
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:24,280
Speaker 5: house in twenty fourteen, yes, sir, okay, with the government guy. Yep. Well,

584
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 5: in twenty eighteen, I received a telephone call from Chris

585
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 5: and we've talked a few times in between this time

586
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:37,280
Speaker 5: and became friends and he has a lot of experiences

587
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 5: that we've had. And he called me up and he

588
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 5: didn't tell me who they were, just just that there

589
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 5: were some people involved in me was testing the UFO

590
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 5: medals and stuff. And he told me that I was

591
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 5: my wife and I were the only people that he

592
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 5: knew that he could recommend for them to come and

593
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 5: see and check out our metal. And I agreed to it.

594
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 5: And when they came, it was Boon DeLong, Louella Zondo,

595
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 5: Chris Bledsoe and a cameraman came to our place.

596
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 4: Was how put off?

597
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 3: There?

598
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:24,439
Speaker 5: No, No, he did testing on it later on, I see,

599
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,959
Speaker 5: And that's a different story. Okay about that, Well.

600
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 4: Before we get to hell, what happened with Tom and

601
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 4: loew And and and Chris When they came to your house,

602
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 4: you obviously told them your story again and you told

603
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,359
Speaker 4: them the lab you have And what do they say?

604
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:42,760
Speaker 5: Well, they're pretty pretty amazed because I had my sample.

605
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 5: I had a sample of Bob White's metal. I had

606
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 5: a piece from from England.

607
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 4: Okay, so you have these various samples of special medals

608
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 4: that may have come off earth somehow.

609
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 5: I had like five samples Okay and name were pretty

610
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,320
Speaker 5: much amazed about that. Plus we got to talk a

611
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 5: little bit about the aliens and some of the experiences

612
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 5: that we've had. Sure Tom DeLong seemed to know quite

613
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 5: a bit about that stuff.

614
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 4: Incredible, Benny, just having all these guys around would be

615
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 4: such a treat for any of us in this community.

616
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 4: At the time, you may not have even realized how

617
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 4: important these guys in the community were are and continue

618
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 4: to be so amazing. We have to stop there for

619
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Speaker 4: this week, but we'll pick it up next week to

620
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 4: get the even more interesting conclusion to Benny's story. His

621
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Speaker 4: story so far anyway, next week when we find out

622
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 4: what happens next to his metal Hang tight, Benny. Meanwhile,

623
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Speaker 4: you can find me on Twitter and Instagram at CID

624
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