1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: Oh, the old Newman, Mike, the old Newman seven, Everyone's 2 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: favorite pop hot. We can start the race. So Michael, Uh, 3 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:20,919 Speaker 1: you know, we had a little bit of a bit 4 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: going here. We had red bulls and we talked red 5 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: bull I wore that very delightful, not flannel flannel Mercedes hat. 6 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: What we did today is I actually have because I'm 7 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: a fan of F one, I have coasters with several 8 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:38,239 Speaker 1: different drivers and like sayings from them on So for you, 9 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: I have Ferrari driver Charlotte Claire and his quote him stupid, 10 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 1: I am stupid. I am stupid. I am stupid. I'm stupid, 11 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: which we'll get into that in a bit. But my 12 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: wife make you give this one to me or I 13 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: surprised she's here. Radio from I Heart Radio and Sports 14 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: Illustrated Studios. This is choosing sides one. Wow. So to 15 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:28,399 Speaker 1: dive in today, Uh, no team has like more history 16 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: more stuff going on than Ferrari. They're the only team 17 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:34,960 Speaker 1: on the grid that has taken part in every single 18 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: Formula One World Championship going back to so of course 19 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: that comes with plenty of scandals, plenty of rivalries, plenty 20 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: of very controversial team bosses and a whole lot more so. 21 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: Today on the podcast, we are diving into part one 22 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 1: of a two episode look at Ferrari, So we'll get 23 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: into the team and their history and they're very very, 24 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: uh kind of hot headed founder, and then we will 25 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: get into the driver's awesome. You know, I grew up 26 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: in Michigan unaware of motorsport, but somehow I had a 27 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 1: Ferrari poster on the wall. What does that say? I 28 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: don't know. I had pictures of Ferrari's on the wall. 29 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 1: So they are embedded in my brain as something that's 30 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: fast and cool, and no one you knew how to Ferrari. 31 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: These other brands you're thrown around, red Bull and Mercedes Williams. 32 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: Still no idea what the ship Williams is. They all 33 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:34,079 Speaker 1: got different things. For me. Ferrari is racing and is 34 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: being number one, or at least attempting to be so. 35 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: Ferrari obviously also sometimes called the Prancing Horse. Prancing Horse 36 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 1: sounds like a bad cologne, it does, it really really does. Yeah. Uh, 37 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: the Prancing Horse team, So their their whole distinction, and 38 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: what they're very into is that they're the only team 39 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 1: that has been on the grid since the first official 40 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: season of Formula One back in ineen fifty. Yes, they 41 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 1: have been there since the very first season. This is 42 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 1: f one expert. I'll just kevlowskis whom you might remember 43 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: from previous episodes, and so for all we obviously you 44 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 1: know the guy, the guy who's the founder of the company. 45 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:12,959 Speaker 1: He actually wanted it to be a race team. The 46 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: only reason he built you know, Calls, is to fund 47 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: his race team, so they've always been an integral part 48 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 1: Formula One. They are also the most successful team in 49 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:23,959 Speaker 1: the sports history. The second place team is a team 50 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: called McLaren, so Ferrari's crushing the game. Of course, keep 51 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:29,519 Speaker 1: in mind they've been around for seventy two years. McLaren 52 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: didn't get started in the sport for their sixteen years. Uh. Interestingly, 53 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: the third place team on that list is Mercedes, which 54 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: has only been around for twelve years, so that I'll 55 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: give you an idea of how dominant Mercedes has been. 56 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: But but Ferrari's very into the fact that they are 57 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 1: on top. The Formula one team is kind of the 58 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: crown jewel of Ferrari's time and motor sports, but they 59 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 1: do also compete in sports cars and endurance racing and 60 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 1: other stuff. But they don't have NASCAR. I don't think 61 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: they do. They would stoop that loan. You say, you 62 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: just said, you just said I got fans in Arkansas. Okay, 63 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: I don't know if I do. Um so I when 64 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: I was thinking about this episode of Just Time Aout Ferrari, 65 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:18,279 Speaker 1: it is very hard to discuss the team without discussing 66 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 1: Ferrari's founder, Enzo Ferrari. Uh. He is a former racing 67 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 1: driver himself. He built up Ferrari's name from scratch. She 68 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: then proceeded to kind of destroy the name by fighting 69 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: with a lot of people over many decades when we'll 70 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: get to that, but it still lives today. So obviously 71 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: despite all of his problems, of which they are tons, 72 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 1: both personally and professionally, he was onto something. So we'll 73 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 1: go down a little bit of team history. But also 74 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 1: like Enzo Ferrari biography because they're one of the same. 75 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 1: When I hear Enzo and I was watching a couple 76 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 1: of videos about the history of Ferrari, and Enzo's name 77 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: would come up. Is that the same guy for all 78 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 1: those years? So here's I had to look this up. 79 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: Enzo Ferrari was born and died at like age ninety. 80 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: So the dude was around for forever, and he was 81 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:06,720 Speaker 1: like actively involved for forever, like he did not want 82 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:11,919 Speaker 1: to leave before the combustion engine. He was probably actually 83 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: riding a prancing horse. He was in fact riding a 84 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:18,840 Speaker 1: prancing worse at one point. Yeah, as legend has it, 85 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 1: Enzo Ferrari prancing horse rider. Oh yeah, let me also, 86 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: I fred to start to show your pictures. Yea, So 87 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 1: here is Enzo Ferrari. Oh yeah, the mastermind. So we've 88 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 1: got three different pictures here, different decades, it feels like 89 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:36,039 Speaker 1: different decades. Two are in black and white, ones in color. 90 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 1: And he uh, I'll tell you what. He looks the 91 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: least evil of all the people I've looked at. Uh, 92 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 1: he might be the most which I don't know, but um, 93 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 1: he kind of looks like in the color picture like 94 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: he might be blind and those are seeing eyeglasses, but 95 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 1: I don't look that's true. He's casually chilling though in 96 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: all this photos he looks very Yeah, he also looks rich. 97 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: I mean they always look rich. They is look alpha 98 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:07,679 Speaker 1: uh and yeah, I mean I'm impressed that he stayed 99 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 1: in it for so long. So and so Ferrari has 100 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 1: a lot of like myth around him, particularly amongst Italian fans, 101 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: but essentially so he's born in he does not come 102 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:20,719 Speaker 1: from a racing family or a rich family. In fact, 103 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: his dad, after trying a bunch of different stuff, has 104 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:27,479 Speaker 1: a small carpentry business, and the old story goes that 105 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: and Zo Ferrari ends up at the eight uh Sir 106 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:37,159 Speaker 1: Quto di Bologna. There's an Italian driver named Felice Nazzarro 107 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:40,679 Speaker 1: who wins this race and from there and Zo ferraris hooked. 108 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: He wants to be a racing driver. He wants to 109 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: work in automobiles. You know, he's like eight, nine, ten 110 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 1: years old, so like you can imagine just when you're 111 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 1: a kid at age, that like sticks with you, that's 112 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: a core memory. Unfortunately, life has a different plan for him. 113 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: So yeah, right, so, uh, you know, World War One 114 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: breaks out in nineteen fourteen, and then unfortunately in nineteen 115 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,840 Speaker 1: sixteen both his father and his older brother die from 116 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 1: an Italian flu outbreak. Yeah, his dad's carpentry businesses and 117 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: complete shambles. It's just not gonna happen. So you know, 118 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 1: he's trying to fare it, wants to do he's he's 119 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 1: got kind of a weird, kind of a clean slate 120 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: yet not I mean already a lot of issues there. 121 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 1: But he decided to start looking for a job in 122 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: the automobile industry, and he eventually, after searching around not 123 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: getting anything, lands himself a gig as a test driver 124 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: for a kind of random manufacturer in Italy, So he 125 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: starts off there. He eventually becomes a racing driver for them, 126 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: and then in his early twenties, we're talking like year 127 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: nineteen twenty, he makes the jump over to a car 128 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: manufacturer called Alpha Romeo, which the name might sound familiar. 129 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: Alphermeo is also on the Formula one grid. We'll talk 130 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: a lot more about them in their episode. But along 131 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: and short of it is ferrari as in the team 132 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: and Alfameyo is in the team, have this special relationship 133 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: that lasts to this day. But essentially and Zo works 134 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: with them, begins to race for them in earnest he 135 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: does well enough, so he is, you know, by the 136 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: early nineteen thirties, he's he's doing things. Things are good. 137 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: But he does have several friends who are also drivers, 138 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 1: and they die because as you can imagine, yeah, like 139 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: driving in the twenties and thirties is not the safest endeavor. 140 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: Uh and then who knows to just everyone who lived 141 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: from eight to nineteen whatever, you know, it's just it 142 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: was just tougher. Yeah, you know, your dad gets the 143 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: flu and it dies in your carbonry businesses toast, and 144 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: it's just everything was just harder. Man, we we we 145 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: think our life is hard now. It is in a 146 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: lot of ways, but I'm thankful I live in two usually. 147 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: Well imagine being like, yeah, your gig is a test driver. 148 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: It's like, no, you could die like like a test 149 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:54,679 Speaker 1: driver in like the late nineteen tens, Like yeah, so 150 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 1: so so Enzo is uh yeah, in early nineteen thirties, 151 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: he has several friends die in the sport, and then 152 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: he also has a son, his first son, and he decides, 153 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: and I think there's mortal life than driving cars and 154 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: almost dying every time. So he decides he's going to 155 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: retire just his racing career at that point. So here's 156 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 1: Enzo late twenties, early thirties, and he decides to found 157 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: a team called Ferrari in nine, which sounds like a 158 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 1: great idea, except the financial house of cards collapses and 159 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: the overinflated stock market plunges into a great depression. Just 160 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: gonna say that that that year always triggers so he yeah, 161 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: poor timing, So he has to fold the original Ferrari 162 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 1: team in three and uh and essentially Ferrari and his 163 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:48,679 Speaker 1: his uh band of misfits, they basically become the de 164 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: facto racing team within Alfa Romeo for the next couple 165 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: of years. There's some disagreements between him and Alfa Romeo. Uh. 166 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: He's like, I'm gonna go do my own thing, me 167 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: Enzo for Ari, because I am angry and I am important. 168 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 1: I will stop here and say that. Another fun fact 169 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 1: around this time is also when Ferrari comes up with 170 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 1: its logo is in the thirties, and the Ferrari logo 171 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: the horse, has a weird backstory. So there was a 172 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: fighter or an ace A fighter pilot in World War 173 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 1: One Italian fire fighter pilot named Francesco Baraka, and he 174 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 1: used to have this little symbol of this horse in 175 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: his fighter jet when he'd go out and whatever. And 176 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:37,319 Speaker 1: after the war, his parents were friends with Enzo Ferrari's family, 177 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 1: and they suggested he used the horse as a logo 178 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: for good luck in his very dangerous racing endeavors. That 179 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: is a good story because also we've drawn comparisons before 180 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: of these engines two fighter jets. I like that. I'm 181 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 1: buying into that story really full circle, full circle. And 182 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: you know it's not like this is the horse that 183 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 1: used to plow the land. No, this is the horse 184 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 1: that kept me alive during World War One. When I 185 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: was flying fighter jets, it was not frolicking through a field. 186 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:12,319 Speaker 1: It was fighter pilot jet piloting through a field. Yet 187 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 1: I was killing because of this horse. And that's what 188 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 1: you're gonna do metaphorically racing. You know, I'm going too 189 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: far with it, but you know what I'm saying, I 190 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: appreciate the commitment. This kind of that's not making sense 191 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: like thirty seconds ago, but it was. I'm gonna google 192 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 1: the Ferrari logo. I need to be reminded. Ferrari logo, 193 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:40,319 Speaker 1: aggressive stance of the horse, Italian flag up above. Even 194 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 1: the f in the Ferrari logo is like, it looks 195 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 1: like it's racing. It's a great logo. The shield, the crest, 196 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 1: it elicits a feeling of kind of excellence, yes, let's 197 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:55,719 Speaker 1: say excellence, luxury it's got it's got real heft to it. 198 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 1: So okay, so enzos here uh, and continuing his string 199 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:03,559 Speaker 1: of excellent luck, he says, I'm going to start my 200 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: operation as Ferrari in nineteen forty Oh my gosh. Ship. 201 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: And as if that wasn't bad enough, his factories actually 202 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 1: bombed in in Italy. Yeah. Really terrible timing, really bad luck. Uh. 203 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 1: It does not seem to have a mind for for 204 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 1: for you know how larger socio political events affect him. 205 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 1: So so yeah, so things are not looking great. It 206 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: takes them a couple of years to really rebuild, as 207 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: it does everyone. So I guess the good news is 208 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 1: everyone else also needs to rebuild because of this terrible 209 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,679 Speaker 1: multi year event uh and perfect loss of life. Uh. 210 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: So they have time to rebuild after the war, and 211 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: finally when things get going, they're ready to enter the 212 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 1: first ever Formula One World Championship in nineteen fifty. I mean, 213 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:57,319 Speaker 1: he started Ferrari the first one in nineteen and then 214 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: now he's starting Ferrari twenty years later, two years later 215 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 1: in the second Grand Prix. It's a long time, yeah, 216 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 1: twenty two years of figuring out, struggling, starting another one, 217 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: getting bombed great depression. I mean, it's just it takes time. Yeah, 218 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 1: it definitely was not an overnight success. And he did 219 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 1: not come from money, and you know, unlike a lot 220 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:20,079 Speaker 1: of these guys, so he really had to build from scratch. 221 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: We'll get right back into the chaos after the break. 222 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 1: So and so, among the many things, he has been 223 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 1: described as autocratic. And he was known for very intentionally 224 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 1: pitting his drivers against each other, like his own Ferrari drivers, 225 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 1: and and because he believed personally that a person could 226 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 1: not be pushed their full potential unless they had that 227 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 1: extra bit of antagonism, especially coming from within, so that 228 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:51,959 Speaker 1: was really great. He used to encourage drivers to pull 229 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: moves or or really go past their limits to the 230 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: point where it was actually dangerous. And as we're saying, 231 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 1: we're talking about the middle of the twentie things weren't 232 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: really that's safe to begin with. And then your boss 233 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 1: is telling you that he expects you to basically be 234 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 1: as unsafe as possible without and especially without crashing the car. 235 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: Between nineteen fifty and nineteen seventy one, eight different Ferrari 236 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: drivers died on circuits. What Yeah, so dead, Oh my god. 237 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: And so Ferrari's sort of defense was, well, people are 238 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 1: dying anyway, and also none of the official causes of 239 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: these deaths was mechanical failure. So these guys just it's 240 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: the driver's fault, basically, was his was his point. It 241 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 1: must be really fucking fun to drive one of these cars. 242 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: I mean it, it's it must be so fun that 243 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: these drivers are aware of this risk. It's almost like 244 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 1: an addict. Look, I gotta do it. It makes me 245 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: feel so outrageous. I'm going to risk my life for this. 246 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: That is insane. Yeah, the men home speeds, those rules crowdy. 247 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: Why in the minutes on the Steaming comic they ride 248 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: with life as the passenger on that tail lift. I 249 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: love tennis. No one's ever died playing competitive tennis at 250 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: this level that I can remember. Imagine if it was like, hey, 251 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 1: one to two tennis players are going to die year 252 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: just from playing the sport. And it's the point where 253 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: it's just like it's literally part of the culture. It's like, well, 254 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: there's twenty of us on the starting line. You've got 255 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: a five percent chance that you're not going to make 256 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: it to the end of the season. Yeah. So grim, 257 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: very very grim. And and you can't just say it's 258 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: not the car's fault. If you're pushing these guys to 259 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 1: go go go, like there there is some responsibility there. Yeah, 260 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 1: he really didn't particularly seem to value human life to 261 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: a certain extent, especially once he stopped racing. And it 262 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: wasn't you know, he's personal friends who were dying for 263 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 1: that reason too. He really tried to not get emotionally 264 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: attached to his drivers, which again, I mean, this is 265 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: like how farmers don't name their cattle because they know 266 00:15:55,800 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: they're going to slaughter them. Yeah, I have no comeback. 267 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: Is just very depressing. That's a very valuable insight because 268 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: it tells you a lot about that person. That's Enzo anyway, 269 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: So that's the guy who's running in the background here 270 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: of of the team, but we'll switch gears to the 271 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: actual team. So Ferrai has seen excellence since the very 272 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 1: beginning of Formula One. They had several World champions and 273 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 1: Constructor's championships in the fifties. Yet another fun fact, there's 274 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: only two American Formula One drivers who have won World 275 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: driver's titles, and one of those and the only American 276 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 1: born one, Phil Hill, won his World championship in nineteen 277 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 1: sixty one in a Ferrari cool. We have to make 278 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: it about ourselves. So now I really like Ferrari because 279 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: Phil Hill one. We do. Yeah, as as a country 280 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 1: we have a connection to this team, a very thin 281 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: thin connection from sixty years ago. But Phil did it 282 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 1: for us. Uh so two more recent fans of the sport. Though, 283 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 1: what's considered the real like modern golden era of Ferrari 284 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: is the brand's Don minutes in the early two thousand's 285 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 1: featuring your guy, Michael Schumacher. He won five straight World 286 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 1: Drivers Championship titles between two thousand and two thousand four, 287 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:15,399 Speaker 1: and aside from a year where he was disqualified from competition, 288 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:18,679 Speaker 1: he actually never finished lower than fifth in the championship 289 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:23,439 Speaker 1: standings while at Ferrari just completely annihilated the competition. So 290 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:26,719 Speaker 1: it's just a real, a real highlight of a time 291 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 1: for Ferrari. In two thousand seven, uh is the time 292 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: they win their last drivers title. This was a decade 293 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:38,360 Speaker 1: and a half ago and it was with legendary Kimmy Reichinen. 294 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:40,959 Speaker 1: Well they called him the Iceman. But there's a bit 295 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 1: of a show of emotion going on in that cop 296 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:47,199 Speaker 1: fit now he's still there. Their last current uh you know, 297 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 1: championship winner at half seven by my calculation, and we 298 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 1: win the championship by one point, and then we spend 299 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: the next decade and a half, you know, they don't 300 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:03,639 Speaker 1: win it. Well. The jenny of Ferrari from post Schumacher 301 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:07,679 Speaker 1: era has sort of been one of hope and disappointments 302 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: constantly over and over again. This is Josh Rebel and 303 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 1: one YouTuber. It has been a rocky roads. They bought 304 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 1: in Frontnando Alonso, who was generally regarded as the most 305 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 1: naturally gifted driver on that grid at the time in 306 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 1: twos and ten, and it almost paid off for the 307 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: five years they had him, and then it didn't work. 308 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: And then they bought in the four time world champions 309 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:38,160 Speaker 1: Sebastian Fettle, and that almost worked as well. But then 310 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:42,159 Speaker 1: you had scenarios where Ferrari would just throw it away. 311 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: So we have this real low point for the team 312 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:53,640 Speaker 1: comes in where this is kind of funny to talk about. 313 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 1: So I know we've discussed that F one is very secretive. 314 00:18:56,800 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 1: So essentially Ferrari does something to their car and they 315 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: start off the season going very fast and things look 316 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 1: very great. And essentially all the other teams or some 317 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:09,159 Speaker 1: other teams say, we don't know what they're doing. It 318 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: must be illegal. And the reason I'm talking in such 319 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:14,399 Speaker 1: vague terms is because the governing body, the f i A, 320 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: takes Ferrari aside behind the scenes and kind of says, well, 321 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 1: you can't do that anymore. The problem is they don't 322 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 1: tell us the public what that is anymore, and they say, yeah, 323 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 1: and Ferrari, you can stay in it, and like you 324 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:28,639 Speaker 1: all are good to keep competing. You just got to 325 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: tell us if another team is doing the same thing, 326 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,959 Speaker 1: but we don't know what the thing is. That's like 327 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 1: you know when the parents says, can I talk to 328 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: any other room please? And then you know it's like, 329 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: we'll keep this secret, but you can't. Yeah, exactly. How interesting? 330 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 1: So much drama. There's so much like soap opera. No, oh, absolutely, 331 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:50,160 Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, it's a literal back room deal, right 332 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: like we still do this day years later. I have 333 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 1: no idea what happened, what the actual thing was. There's 334 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 1: all these conspiracy videos. You found a very good loophole, 335 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:00,200 Speaker 1: and we don't even though it is lead all, we 336 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 1: don't want you to do it. Or whatever. Literally what happened? 337 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,679 Speaker 1: And what doesn't help is that a lot of especially 338 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:06,359 Speaker 1: at the time, a lot of the f i A 339 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 1: leadership and other people within the f i A used 340 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:10,920 Speaker 1: to work for Ferrari or work with the F one 341 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 1: team in particular, So it's just looking very sketched from 342 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 1: every single angle. It's just not looking good. And did 343 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 1: they slow down them? They end up in sixth in 344 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 1: the Constructor's Championship. It's one of their worst finishes ever 345 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 1: as a team. Wow, difficult to find words at a moment. 346 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 1: I'm that's so. It is just bleak city at Ferrari. 347 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 1: What can expect this weekend? Oh yeah, they have a 348 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:38,439 Speaker 1: very intense fan base called the Fosy. That's kind of 349 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:40,399 Speaker 1: their fandom name. Well, I'm not gonna die. It's not 350 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 1: going to be an easy weekend foss So the FOCI 351 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 1: is upset. Everyone's upset. The team is not in a 352 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 1: good place. And as if this isn't bad enough, this 353 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 1: is all going on during the season, right as the 354 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 1: season is starting. You'll recall that when we talked about 355 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,919 Speaker 1: Red bull their dominant driver who won all those world championships, 356 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 1: Red Bulls guy Sebastian vettle uh. Sebastian Mettle at this 357 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: point is driving for Ferrari and in a surprise move, 358 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 1: they announced basically as the season is starting that they 359 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:07,679 Speaker 1: are not going to resign Sebastian Battle at the end 360 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 1: of the season. Lame duck. Yeah, there's a Drive to 361 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 1: Survive episode that is centered on this whole controversy. Basically, 362 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 1: there was starting to be Yeah, just this idea of 363 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:19,919 Speaker 1: you know, Sebs aware this this younger guys, the golden 364 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:21,920 Speaker 1: boy of the team. He doesn't feel like he's getting 365 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:25,679 Speaker 1: kind of equal treatment and opportunities. It's just a bad situation. 366 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:29,479 Speaker 1: All of those little tricks of Enzo or you know, 367 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 1: pitting people against each other, that all can be overlooked 368 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,880 Speaker 1: when you're winning, exactly, winning is this thread that kind 369 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: of holds it all together. But as soon as you're 370 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: at sixth place for the first time in your seventy 371 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 1: year history, it just unravels. So, yeah, was a real 372 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:47,639 Speaker 1: low point for them, and and it's also in the 373 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: midst of the pandemic, right, so the race season is 374 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,920 Speaker 1: already weird, it's already truncated, you know, and on top 375 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,239 Speaker 1: of that, now they've got, yeah, a team member who 376 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 1: already knows he's not being resigned. They've got another they've 377 00:21:57,960 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: got a car that just doesn't work. They've got the 378 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 1: d deal with the f i A to keep that 379 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,920 Speaker 1: all the secret. Yeah, and then they've just plummeted through 380 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 1: the standings. They've got teams beating them who they can't 381 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 1: believe or just casually passing passing them on the track. 382 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: So that's there, that's their their dark day. Ferrari, especially 383 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 1: in Italy, is not a race team. It's a religion. 384 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:21,719 Speaker 1: Elder kavskis again. I mean, people follow it unbelievably. Everywhere. 385 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,160 Speaker 1: There's more Ferrari fans then there is of any other 386 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 1: race team. And that's kind of the emotion that it evokes, 387 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: you know, in people when they see the red car. 388 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 1: When you think of a race car, you think of 389 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 1: a red car, you think of a Ferrari, and it 390 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,920 Speaker 1: you know, that romantic kind of that romanticism just gets 391 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: to everyone's heads. And the problem with that is that 392 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 1: sometimes it kind of builds expectations. Sometimes it kind of 393 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 1: gets to people a little bit too much, and it 394 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 1: puts pressure on the race team. It puts a hell 395 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,679 Speaker 1: of a lot of pressure because when Ferrari are winning. 396 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 1: Everything was amazing. You know, the world is a better 397 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 1: place when they're losing. It's a drama, it's you know, 398 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:54,160 Speaker 1: a catastrophe, it's controversy in Italy and it's that pressure 399 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 1: that makes it harder for them than any other team. 400 00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 1: So before we get to health, we're alreadys doing now. 401 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 1: So a couple of years after that low point, we 402 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 1: need to talk about the team boss. We're gonna talk 403 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: about that after this break. We need to talk about 404 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: the team boss. So it's Mattia Benado, Mattia Matia. It 405 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: seems to go every number of ways. I've even listened 406 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: to clips of him saying his name and he'll change 407 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: it slightly, which is not helpful for our purposes. Um, 408 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:31,719 Speaker 1: but I'll just show you a picture. Um, here is him, 409 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 1: and I actually have a photo of him with Mercedes 410 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 1: team boss Total Wolves. You can get a difference. Yeah, 411 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 1: oh my god, this is not what I would exist expecting. 412 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:45,640 Speaker 1: He almost feels like like a cartoon he does. Yeah, 413 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: the glasses are waldo, frizzy, fluffy hair that goes upright 414 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 1: to the sky. Looks pretty chill. It's not exactly who 415 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,439 Speaker 1: I would envision to be wearing the Ferrari uniform. It 416 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,919 Speaker 1: almost looks like you're silly, uncle who works in the 417 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 1: arts is coming in from the city. That's what he 418 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: looks like. He loves to work with pastels. So he's 419 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 1: relatively new. He replaced the previous team principle for starting 420 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: with the twenty nineteen season, so he hasn't he hasn't 421 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 1: been in that position that much. But he's also interesting 422 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 1: in that he has been with Ferrari for a long time, 423 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,119 Speaker 1: I believe since the nineties. But so a lot of 424 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 1: these team principles come through sort of that like executive leadership, 425 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:33,119 Speaker 1: executive track so to speak. They're kind of business guys. 426 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 1: They come into the sport through through That means he's 427 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 1: kind of a funky pick in that he actually is 428 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 1: an engineer first and foremost and came up through engineering 429 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,439 Speaker 1: and that side of the team. And often, you know, 430 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: those guys would become, yeah, the CTO or the the 431 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 1: engineering director. They have different titles and things for it, 432 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:52,199 Speaker 1: so you'd think that that's where he would end up, 433 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:53,680 Speaker 1: and he was in fact the you know, the chief 434 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 1: technology officer before becoming you know, the team boss um 435 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: and kind of the face of a team. So yeah, 436 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:03,919 Speaker 1: he's he's coming from a cool different side. On the 437 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 1: plus side, he knows everything there is no about the 438 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,920 Speaker 1: engineering of the car. I guess the disadvantages that he's 439 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:15,680 Speaker 1: not necessarily from a more kind of traditional management side 440 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 1: of things. He can sometimes be a little bit aloof 441 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 1: There's been criticisms of his management of the team. Obviously 442 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 1: the whole Sebastian vettle mess. He's gotten that sort of 443 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 1: flak for just not always running the tightest ship, and 444 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:29,639 Speaker 1: I think part of that is he's just from a 445 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 1: different brain than He doesn't look like He goes to 446 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:37,160 Speaker 1: executive training where these other guys look so they look 447 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 1: like generals, you know. He he does not look like that. Yeah. 448 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 1: So where is the team now? Really? How are they doing? Yeah? 449 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: So remember how even with Mercedes we talked about, you know, 450 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,479 Speaker 1: Mercedes came into those new regulations and just blew everyone 451 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 1: away and they were just dominant. So, you know, coming 452 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 1: into two, everyone said, you know, who's going to be 453 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 1: the Mercedes of this era of Formula one racing. It's 454 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: great seeing a resurgence from Ferrari, the most prestigious popular 455 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 1: brand in Formula one. Josh Revel again it's great to 456 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 1: see them at the forefront. Again, not so great with 457 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 1: um their Italian engineering, sometimes remembering that it was Italian 458 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 1: and sort of blowing it slows Um midway through the race. 459 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: But at the same time, you know, this still in 460 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 1: the Hunts. So heading into the season, there was a 461 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 1: ton of hype around Ferrari. People were saying they've got 462 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,920 Speaker 1: the car figured out. They have these two great drivers 463 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: face for the scoot Arena. You know, Charlotte Claire has 464 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: long been the Ferrari golden boy and this is his 465 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 1: time to shine. And people also do like Carlos, but 466 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 1: we'll get to that more in our driver episode. But 467 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 1: there was a lot of excitement, a lot of fervor. However, 468 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: we're kind of coming up at the middle of the 469 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 1: season here and things are just to be not looking 470 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 1: as promising as they once did. Claire has an engine 471 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:09,399 Speaker 1: failure that is sharing plumes have smoke onto the track, 472 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 1: and Ferrari have a double DNF. Ferrari's reliability issues have 473 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 1: kind of involved everything from the car just sort of 474 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,399 Speaker 1: puttering out on the side of a track all the 475 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 1: way up to Carlos Science's car at the Austrian Grand 476 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 1: Prix exploding into flames while he was still in it. 477 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 1: He was engulfed in flames and the car itself was 478 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 1: rolling down a hill. Luckily he is safe. Everything's fine. 479 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,159 Speaker 1: He was totally fine. But hell of a site to 480 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: behold to see a Ferrari burning down to its parts 481 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 1: on the side of a track. That was a proper 482 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 1: blow up, that absolutely destroyed it. So so the second 483 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 1: problem is one we'll discuss way more in our second episode. 484 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 1: About the drivers, There's been a lot of questions about 485 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:01,119 Speaker 1: Ferrari strategy with seeing some of the same problems reservice. 486 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 1: You know, they don't have kind of the best strategy. 487 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 1: They don't have the best reliability as well, and that's 488 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 1: the really big challenge for them because as a race team, 489 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 1: i mean, forget about the driver and the team principle. 490 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 1: I'm talking about pit stops, I'm talking about strategy. I'm 491 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 1: talking about making those calculated, cold blooded decisions in splits, 492 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 1: you know, a split of a second during a race. 493 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 1: Read Bull are just a stronger race team at the moment. 494 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,359 Speaker 1: It's important to note though, that, as we've discussed, this 495 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,360 Speaker 1: is not new territory for Ferrari. This seems to be 496 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 1: the story of the Ferrari as of late, of things 497 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 1: kind of breaking down as the season goes on. So 498 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 1: they're not out of it quite yet. It's just that 499 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 1: it's going to be a longer road than expected. It's 500 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 1: not all over. The season is still very long. There 501 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 1: is still plenty of points on the table. But yeah, 502 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 1: they're learning why it's so difficult to win a championship 503 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 1: for Ferrari. Alright, so I have now brought you up 504 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 1: to date on over seventy years of Ferrari history. What 505 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 1: are your thoughts? You know, Um, I like Ferrari. I 506 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:07,719 Speaker 1: don't have any reason yet to dislike them. Um. I 507 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 1: think history is important. They're easy to root for, the 508 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 1: brand is easy, the colors are great. The I don't 509 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 1: know enough about Enzo to dislike him, but I like 510 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 1: kind of the I like that he created a team 511 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 1: around his name, you know, I like Mattea. I like 512 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 1: that he's different. I like that it's a different vibe. 513 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 1: I get Mercedes Team Principal and Red Bulls Team Principle 514 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 1: kind of mixed up in my head. They kind of 515 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 1: seem like the same kind of vibe. Plus it also 516 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 1: helps them tremendously and this is a testament to their history. 517 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: It helps that I had their posters up on my wall. 518 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 1: You know, there's a little bit of bias there for sure, 519 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 1: but that's yeah, for sure, there is. Um. I do 520 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: love the color. So here we go, this all of 521 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 1: this research you've done, Lily, and I'm gonna go I 522 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 1: like their colors, like the horse looks cool. Now, I 523 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 1: don't know the drivers. I don't know anything about the 524 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 1: drivers other than this coaster you gave me, which is 525 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 1: Leclair saying, I am stupid. I'm stupid. You have told 526 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 1: me in the previous podcast that there isn't necessarily a 527 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 1: number one and number two, so they are competing against 528 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 1: each other, and I I'm curious to learn more about them. 529 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 1: The drivers are very evenly matched. They're very evenly matched 530 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 1: on paper, though they both have very different backgrounds, very 531 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 1: different kind of standing within the team, and so while 532 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 1: they aren't a number one number two pairing on paper, 533 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 1: there's definitely some of those vibes going on in the 534 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 1: garage that make it incredibly interesting and and to even 535 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 1: at even more depth, these two publicly get along very well, 536 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 1: but are really at a point, especially if the team 537 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 1: is going to be fighting for wins and and potential 538 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 1: championship titles. There could be some some sparks flying. I 539 00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 1: feel like the Ferrari drivers could stand around the garage 540 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 1: sipping an espresso talking about efficiency of the engine. Whereas 541 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 1: Mercedes I feel in Red Bull. I feel like everybody's 542 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 1: screaming at each other and there's like wrenches flying against 543 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 1: the wall. I have no I mean, this is just 544 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 1: I have no idea. If that's true, that's fine. I'm 545 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 1: just imagining Toto for Mercedes, like throwing a wrench and 546 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 1: at leaving a dent in the wall, and then I 547 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 1: keep it there as like a reminder do your job 548 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,480 Speaker 1: or else this will be your head. Yeah. They have 549 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 1: like a whole like little plaque next to it. Yeah. 550 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 1: Yeah for me, I don't think it has the same. 551 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 1: They're a little more sophisticated. I guess that's they're they're aesthetic. 552 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 1: One time I was performing at Gotham Comedy Club and 553 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 1: a guy just kept a British guy just kept interrupting, 554 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 1: kept it drumping. Anyways, the security comes throws him out. 555 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,479 Speaker 1: He takes a swing. I want a security guard. These 556 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 1: guys are all like served in Afghanistan. They like wanted 557 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 1: someone to swing at him. They threw his head into 558 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 1: the wall and there was a nice size hole in 559 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 1: the wall. Anyways, they kept it there for years because 560 00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 1: they wanted to remind people if you yell at the 561 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 1: comedian some guy's head. Just to just a side note, 562 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 1: i mean, who says comedy isn't like formula one? Our 563 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 1: life is on the line here. I'm sure he felt 564 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 1: very threatened by this random for sure. Yeah, but it 565 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 1: got taken care of. Take care of field fashion alright. 566 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 1: So I'm excited to learn about these drivers. Yeah, I'm 567 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 1: excited to talk about them endlessly. There's also gonna be 568 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 1: many a thirst trap. His eyes are like green blue gray. 569 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 1: They just like look like an ocean. Like you just 570 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 1: want to, like swan dive into his eyes. Perfect eyebrows, 571 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 1: perfect cheekbones, The bone structure is unmatched. He's more beautiful 572 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 1: than the most beautiful woman I've ever seen. Oh man, 573 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 1: this is I'm getting sun good. I needed some thirst 574 00:32:53,600 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 1: traps alright. This has been Choosing Sides F one production 575 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:04,720 Speaker 1: of Sports Illustrated Studios and I Heart Radio. The show 576 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 1: was hosted by Michael Costa and Lily Herb. 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