WEBVTT - 011423 What Intelligence Tests Say About Race (Part 1) 0:00:00.680 --> 0:00:03.040 Welcome to another episode of Civic Cipher. I'm your host, 0:00:03.120 --> 0:00:05.160 ramsys jockey is ram Jah. 0:00:05.240 --> 0:00:10.760 I am to warden. You are tuned into so exciting. 0:00:10.400 --> 0:00:11.959 As you are, and we've got a lot people to 0:00:11.960 --> 0:00:16.079 stick around for Today. We're gonna be talking about some 0:00:16.079 --> 0:00:22.440 some stuff that comes up in life, and in particular 0:00:22.920 --> 0:00:25.920 the past couple of weeks, we've had to have some 0:00:25.960 --> 0:00:29.720 really strange conversations and we've also kind of encountered some 0:00:29.720 --> 0:00:36.800 stuff on the Internet that let us know that common 0:00:36.880 --> 0:00:40.040 sense is not all that common, not even kind of 0:00:40.280 --> 0:00:43.080 yeah yeah, and that's okay because we're here to learn. 0:00:43.280 --> 0:00:45.720 So we're not picking anybody apart, We're not, you know, 0:00:45.800 --> 0:00:48.319 trying to tear anybody down. But again, stay tuned. We're 0:00:48.320 --> 0:00:52.480 gonna be talking about this strange question. You know, are 0:00:52.560 --> 0:00:56.400 our white people smarter than black people? Or are black 0:00:56.440 --> 0:01:00.320 people less intelligent than white people? You know, and there 0:01:00.320 --> 0:01:04.200 are people who sincerely feel like they have the full 0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:09.240 story because they have test scores or whatever whatever it 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:11.959 is that they think that they have to kind of 0:01:13.720 --> 0:01:16.800 validate that belief, and we're going to talk about that today. 0:01:16.800 --> 0:01:20.720 We're also going to talk about what we call code switching. 0:01:22.040 --> 0:01:27.959 But basically, we're going to talk about how black people 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:31.560 in this country are inherently bilingual. I think that was 0:01:32.319 --> 0:01:35.760 something that I heard a comedian said once upon a time. 0:01:35.880 --> 0:01:36.960 That's a good way to put it. 0:01:37.040 --> 0:01:40.440 Yeah, yeah, so we have to you know, I heard 0:01:41.040 --> 0:01:43.399 a non black woman recently said that when she was 0:01:43.400 --> 0:01:47.279 growing up, black people used to speak jive to her. Yeah, 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:50.280 So that tells you when she's shout out to the seventies. Yeah, man, 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:53.840 sixties and shout out to Cheryl. She's a sweetheart. And 0:01:53.840 --> 0:01:55.440 we got a whole lot more fee to stick around 0:01:55.560 --> 0:01:59.040 for as well. But first and foremost, we'd like to 0:01:59.080 --> 0:02:01.480 start at the top with what we like to call 0:02:01.560 --> 0:02:05.720 Ebny excellence. Cute we shall, all right, So this week's 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:08.480 Ebony Excellence is sponsored by Hip Hop Weekly Media and 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:12.280 the article comes from Marine Times. 0:02:12.880 --> 0:02:13.560 It's not a. 0:02:14.520 --> 0:02:17.000 Subject we talk about all that off them show, so 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:21.360 you know, taking any too many dives in the Military Times. 0:02:21.800 --> 0:02:27.800 So the article reads, one marine will make Core history 0:02:28.120 --> 0:02:35.360 by becoming the first black by becoming the first black 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:38.239 woman to serve as a two star general in the service. 0:02:38.360 --> 0:02:43.919 President Joe Biden appointed Brig. Jen Lorna Maylock to the 0:02:43.960 --> 0:02:46.960 grade of Major General Dependinggon announced on December sixth, and 0:02:47.000 --> 0:02:51.400 the Senate confirmed her recently. Maylock is the Deputy Director 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:54.720 of Cybersecurity for Combat Support at the National Security Agency 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:58.400 at Fort Meade, Maryland. Born in Kingston, Jamaica, Maylock immigrated 0:02:58.400 --> 0:03:00.400 to Brooklyn, New York at the age of seventeen nineteen 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:05.360 eighty five. According to a biography written by Marquette University, 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:07.080 she enlisted in the Marine Corps three months later and 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:09.799 became an air traffic controller. She received her commission through 0:03:10.480 --> 0:03:14.800 the Women Marines Association. She has amassed multiple higher degrees, 0:03:14.840 --> 0:03:17.960 including two master's degrees and strategic studies from the US 0:03:18.320 --> 0:03:22.120 Army War College and the Naval Postgraduate School. Marine Corps 0:03:22.120 --> 0:03:26.640 Times previously reported Maylock nominated to the grade of brigadier 0:03:26.680 --> 0:03:29.520 general in twenty eighteen, and she became the first black 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:32.919 woman to achieve that rank. One of the smallest military branches, 0:03:33.040 --> 0:03:35.560 the Marine Corps has the lowest percentage of women among 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:39.080 its troops at nine percent. Only three women in the 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:42.080 corep history have picked up the rank of lieutenant general, 0:03:42.320 --> 0:03:45.560 and all three of them are retired. So today we 0:03:45.600 --> 0:03:49.640 are going to highlight you and applaud you. Lorna Maylock 0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:53.320 for making black history and for being a shiny example 0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:54.400 of e any excellence. 0:03:54.480 --> 0:04:01.760 Keep going gay, General Lorna Maylock. That's incredible. Indeed it is. 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:09.040 All right, So let's talk about. 0:04:07.360 --> 0:04:09.920 How smart we are. Isn't that weird? That's a weird 0:04:09.920 --> 0:04:14.240 thing to talk about. I talk about how smart RAMS is. Stop. 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:16.200 So I don't think it's very strange at all. 0:04:16.680 --> 0:04:23.640 Okay, So we Uh, basically, for today's segment, we had 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:26.800 to pull some back and forth stuff off of the 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:28.440 Internet just to kind of help paint a picture. 0:04:28.720 --> 0:04:30.400 But before we get there, I want to get your 0:04:30.440 --> 0:04:38.400 early thoughts on this topic, Q. I mean, sure, go 0:04:38.480 --> 0:04:42.479 for it. So my early thoughts on which topic, well. 0:04:42.480 --> 0:04:50.120 Specifically specifically whether or not black people are less intelligent 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:52.080 than white people or Asian people. 0:04:52.160 --> 0:04:56.920 What hasn't all the research already proven that we are 0:04:57.480 --> 0:04:59.920 by far the lesser of the intelligent creature. 0:05:01.080 --> 0:05:03.480 This is sarcasm, ladies and jail. This is sarcasm. 0:05:03.520 --> 0:05:07.679 I thought, that's what it is. Sarcasm. This is sarcasm. Well, 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:11.560 you know what. I to your point, Q, if you 0:05:13.720 --> 0:05:14.400 grew up. 0:05:15.920 --> 0:05:22.479 In the US, and uh, you weren't educated in a 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:30.880 way that prevents a lot of how would I describe 0:05:30.880 --> 0:05:40.840 it cultural? And uh, let's be honest, white supremacist based 0:05:40.960 --> 0:05:44.360 ideals to take root in your brain, you might think that, right. 0:05:46.240 --> 0:05:49.640 I know this is true for me. Once upon a 0:05:49.680 --> 0:05:58.760 time I found myself I always took tests well, and uh, 0:05:58.960 --> 0:06:01.760 you know, I got good, more in class and all 0:06:01.760 --> 0:06:04.800 that sort of stuff, and eventually they start kind of 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:07.919 separating you from the people that are your age into 0:06:08.000 --> 0:06:11.159 smaller classes where you have there's less students and you 0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:14.160 get more intense education. 0:06:14.800 --> 0:06:16.000 Yeah, it's more engaging. 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:19.480 Sure, sure they call it. When I got to high school, 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:21.279 they would call it honors classes. But you know, this 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:24.000 has kind of been a story of my life. They 0:06:24.000 --> 0:06:27.000 would take me out of my normal classroom setting and 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:30.440 put me into a special class for gifted kids. Right, 0:06:31.360 --> 0:06:34.640 And every time they did that, I found that there were. 0:06:34.600 --> 0:06:37.480 Less even less. 0:06:38.360 --> 0:06:41.960 People of color, and that was a norm for you 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:44.520 know school. You know, that was just kind of normal 0:06:44.560 --> 0:06:51.839 how it went. And I guess if I were to 0:06:51.880 --> 0:06:55.120 take that and just accept it as face value, I 0:06:55.160 --> 0:07:01.960 would think that overwhelmingly white children are more intelligent than 0:07:02.000 --> 0:07:03.640 black and brown children. 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:06.479 Right, But that's not the full story. 0:07:06.520 --> 0:07:10.640 And it's strange that you're taught that, and it's strange 0:07:10.680 --> 0:07:13.520 that people push back against things like critical race theory. 0:07:13.560 --> 0:07:15.520 When I talked about earlier on, I mentioned that white 0:07:15.560 --> 0:07:19.960 supremacist ideals and institutions that kind of bolster and fortify 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:24.880 these notions. They don't this attack on CRT, which is 0:07:25.000 --> 0:07:28.120 effectively American history that seeks to tell the whole story 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:31.480 and paints a fuller picture so that people get the 0:07:31.560 --> 0:07:34.960 nuance and they understand, Okay, opportunities exist in these areas 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:36.840 and they don't exist to the same degree in these 0:07:36.840 --> 0:07:41.360 other areas, and then you have results that reflect that 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:48.360 in society. Without that, you end up kind of like me, 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:52.480 just thinking that, oh, this is normal, I am in 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:54.240 rare air in this classroom. 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:54.520 Right. 0:07:56.320 --> 0:08:01.080 So I'll read a bit from the online conversation that 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:06.720 we were having. The question was posed, don't most black 0:08:06.760 --> 0:08:11.960 people have lower IQ than whites? And then it goes 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:15.520 on to say that, you know, if you believe in evolution, 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:18.680 black folks look different as do Asians and Caucasians. Evolution 0:08:19.280 --> 0:08:21.960 doesn't stop with skin pigment. In other words, black people 0:08:21.960 --> 0:08:27.640 are less evolved, right, And it's again, maybe these ideas 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:35.280 are the result of a person being hateful ignorant, you 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:38.400 know whatever. But maybe a person who draws a conclusion 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:43.600 like this is simply trying to state their reality in 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:49.160 playing terms, and they may not question why their reality 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:50.600 is the way that it is, which is what we 0:08:50.600 --> 0:08:53.280 seek to do on this show. Why were we born 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:57.000 to be poor and get beat up by the police? 0:08:57.040 --> 0:08:57.600 Are we criminal? 0:08:57.640 --> 0:08:58.880 You know what I mean? Like you go to Africa, 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:03.360 It's not like that, you know, Are we whatever stereotype 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:06.040 you think that is true of black people, There's different 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:12.880 circumstances in this country that shape outcomes, and those circumstances 0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:15.520 are often overlooked, which is why on this show at least, 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:19.760 we really fought very hard and continue to fight to 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:21.920 make sure that the whole story is told and that 0:09:22.160 --> 0:09:29.160 education includes American history and the origins of the origin 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:32.080 story of black people in this country and everything in between. 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:37.760 All Right, So we'll go down to the answer, because 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:41.280 now that the question is post, the irony here is 0:09:41.320 --> 0:09:47.760 extremely painful, suppressing urge to engage in ad hominem. Thomas 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:52.000 Soul discovered old military mental test results. Now, just so 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:53.960 you know, Thomas Soul is not a person I'm a 0:09:53.960 --> 0:09:58.520 big fan of. I don't agree with a lot of 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:00.959 his thinking. But just so you know some context, he's 0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:06.880 a black conservative, very educated man, and just has of 0:10:07.000 --> 0:10:09.160 what I believe to be a flawed belief system, you know. 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:16.800 But he I wouldn't say that he doesn't love his people. 0:10:17.760 --> 0:10:19.760 I can't say he might not, but I don't know 0:10:19.840 --> 0:10:23.320 that to be true. I just believe that he and 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:27.120 I would certainly take different paths to get to the 0:10:27.120 --> 0:10:33.000 same results. In other words, I'm allowing this moment for him, 0:10:33.080 --> 0:10:36.520 because even a broken clock is right, you know, twice 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:43.440 a day. All right, let's go on. Differences in mental 0:10:43.480 --> 0:10:46.440 test scores among different racial and ethnic groups were taken 0:10:46.480 --> 0:10:51.160 as proof of genetic differences in innate mental ability during 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:53.640 the progressive era in the early nineteenth and sorry, in 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:57.560 the early twentieth century, Progressives regarded the fact that the 0:10:57.600 --> 0:11:01.200 average IQ test score among whites was higher than the 0:11:01.280 --> 0:11:05.480 average among blacks as conclusive proof of genetic determinism. Right, 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:08.760 So again, if you just take those test scores at 0:11:09.000 --> 0:11:13.160 face value, well, women lie, men line numbers don't lie. 0:11:13.160 --> 0:11:15.320 Right, that's one way to put it. 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:18.480 Yeah, But as we know, and I wouldn't be talking 0:11:18.480 --> 0:11:23.120 about this if it weren't true. That's not the whole story. 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:26.199 In fact, often enough, when there are numbers, there is 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:28.760 a much deeper story there, because we've learned on this 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:30.840 show that numbers can be made to look any kind 0:11:30.840 --> 0:11:32.760 of way, especially if you don't tell the whole story. 0:11:33.280 --> 0:11:35.720 So I'll continue. 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:39.959 A closer look at mental test data, however, shows that 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:43.240 there were not only individual blacks with higher IQs than 0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:47.840 most whites, but also whole categories of whites who scored 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:50.920 at or below the mental test scores of blacks. 0:11:51.360 --> 0:11:54.360 H All right, let's keep going. 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:59.880 Among American soldiers given mental tests during the First World War, 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:06.400 for example, white soldiers from Georgia, Arkansas, Kentucky, and Mississippi 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:11.000 scored lower on mental tests than black soldiers from Ohio, Illinois, 0:12:11.240 --> 0:12:12.520 New York, and Pennsylvania. 0:12:13.800 --> 0:12:17.120 Okay, so by that time there was access to education. 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:20.679 It was okay to learn how to read, It was 0:12:20.720 --> 0:12:27.760 not still illegal to teach either current or former slaves anything, 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:30.160 et cetera, et cetera. 0:12:30.240 --> 0:12:32.319 It's a progressive time, and of course the black people 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:35.800 were from progressive cities, right and again the white soldiers 0:12:35.840 --> 0:12:39.959 from Arkansas, Kentucky, Mississippi, you know what I mean, Their 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:46.800 education system may not have matured to the point where 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:50.959 it could be competitive with the education system in a 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:53.720 big city where the black folks you scored higher than 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:57.240 those white folks. So what you're seeing now is a 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:08.160 perhaps geographical correlation with these test scores that is more profound, 0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:11.679 certainly more striking, and more. 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:13.320 Telling. 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:18.880 Then Okay, black people scored lower, white people scored higher. Right, 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:23.040 And from this alone you can see the direction that 0:13:23.120 --> 0:13:24.520 this is going. And I'm going to say the rest 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:28.080 of this reading just for a bit, but you can 0:13:28.160 --> 0:13:32.760 draw your own conclusions. And for those who may not 0:13:32.840 --> 0:13:35.360 be able to draw the conclusions all the way out, 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:39.120 I'm going to help both Q and I are going 0:13:39.160 --> 0:13:46.320 to help. So if from that we can agree that 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:51.360 where you grow up has an effect on your education, 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:57.320 then perhaps there's something to do with the quality of education. Right, 0:13:57.840 --> 0:14:01.240 because again, in progressive cities, you know, the school systems 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:08.199 seem to educate people better than in more rural areas, 0:14:08.240 --> 0:14:11.480 less developed you know, states and parts of the country. 0:14:13.120 --> 0:14:17.720 So again the quality of the education matters. Right, But 0:14:18.800 --> 0:14:26.160 let's take it a step further. How is education funded. Well, 0:14:27.560 --> 0:14:34.360 education is funded with property taxes, right, So you pay 0:14:34.400 --> 0:14:36.360 your property taxes on your house, that goes to your 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:41.000 local education, you know, your school board, and on and on. 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:44.200 Right, So. 0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:54.320 It stands to reason that if you have a neighborhood 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:56.440 we'll call it, you know, or a part of town 0:14:57.240 --> 0:15:01.200 where it's more affluent, the houses are nice, her text 0:15:01.280 --> 0:15:05.040 at a higher rate, etc. Schools are nicer, that that 0:15:05.200 --> 0:15:11.200 quality education might be more prevalent in the test scores. 0:15:11.200 --> 0:15:12.800 It might be reflected in the test score. 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:19.880 Meanwhile, on the other side of town, where maybe folks 0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:24.680 are making less money, maybe those people are working longer hours, 0:15:24.720 --> 0:15:30.240 maybe those people are dealing with other social issues, socioeconomic issues, 0:15:30.800 --> 0:15:39.040 et cetera, the education received by the students might be inferior. 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:43.120 Add to that that, you know, I knew a teacher 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:49.360 for some years who worked in a rough part of town, 0:15:49.960 --> 0:15:54.120 and she was a high school too, and she used 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:57.440 to ask me, you know, once upon a time, I 0:15:57.560 --> 0:16:01.680 used to get closed in shoes given to me because 0:16:01.680 --> 0:16:04.600 I was on the radio, you know, and the companies 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:06.120 would send out boxes of shoes. 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:07.760 I'd get for five pairs of shoes, I'm not gonna 0:16:07.760 --> 0:16:08.200 wear these. 0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:10.240 They's sent me a bunch of clothes I'm not gonna wear, 0:16:10.760 --> 0:16:14.480 all in my size, And I would donate a lot 0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:16.440 of these to this teacher. Well, she just asked me 0:16:16.480 --> 0:16:18.680 for it because I was, if I'm honest, probably bragging 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:20.320 one day, like, man, I got all this stuff and 0:16:20.360 --> 0:16:22.400 never gonna wear it. And she says, give it to me. 0:16:23.440 --> 0:16:26.600 I can give it to my students. And she said, 0:16:26.600 --> 0:16:29.520 in particular, I have one student who has to wear 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:33.360 the same thing every day, and he's embarrassed to come 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:35.280 to school, so he doesn't come because he only has 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:37.440 you know, he won't tell me about his home life 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:40.320 because he's weared it it'll get worse. So I don't 0:16:40.320 --> 0:16:42.440 know his circumstances, but I know he's always hungry and 0:16:42.480 --> 0:16:45.560 he always wears the same clothes. And so I says, yes, absolutely, 0:16:45.600 --> 0:16:49.640 here you go, right, And that turned into me giving more, 0:16:49.720 --> 0:16:52.360 and really it turned into her having a conversation with me, 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:57.400 and she says, Ramses, a lot of the students that 0:16:57.480 --> 0:17:03.240 I teach are constantly in mode that is their reality. 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:06.080 One hundred percent of it is survival mode. They don't 0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:10.159 have room for education. They don't care what the you know, 0:17:10.359 --> 0:17:13.719 the Pythagoram theorem of you know, a triangle and the 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:16.040 isosceles and you know, none of that they don't care 0:17:16.040 --> 0:17:17.560 about any of that. They worry about where they're going 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:20.200 to eat because they didn't eat yesterday, and they're hungry 0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:22.960 right now and they can't focus, and they spent all 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:25.320 last night crying, and they haven't been home in four days. 0:17:25.680 --> 0:17:25.880 Right. 0:17:26.920 --> 0:17:29.760 And it's not every student that comes from that environment, 0:17:29.800 --> 0:17:30.480 but it's a lot more. 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:33.520 For it's not it's not one or two, you know, 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:36.800 I mean like, it's not every, but it's a lot, right. 0:17:38.200 --> 0:17:40.880 And she believed, just like the United Negro College Fund, 0:17:40.880 --> 0:17:43.639 that a mind is a terrible thing to waste. And 0:17:43.680 --> 0:17:45.720 she saw the potential in these students because she was 0:17:45.760 --> 0:17:48.520 a teacher. She could see that they had the the 0:17:48.560 --> 0:17:53.000 base level intelligence upon which you can build a brilliant mind. 0:17:53.280 --> 0:17:56.359 It just needed the knowledge. The framework was all there, 0:17:56.920 --> 0:17:59.520 but she couldn't pour into a mind that wasn't focused 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:03.119 and that was hungry. You know, your brain is a 0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:05.560 funny thing. I had to learn this, you know, partially 0:18:05.560 --> 0:18:07.520 through her, but you know, my own studies kind of 0:18:07.560 --> 0:18:08.600 revealed a lot of this to me. 0:18:09.680 --> 0:18:10.320 And that's that. 0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:17.800 You know, your mind is built to protect itself. Your 0:18:17.800 --> 0:18:20.639 mind will protect itself even if you are under attack. 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:23.080 Your physical body is under attack, your mind will just 0:18:23.119 --> 0:18:26.000 turn off to protect itself from getting damaged, and you 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:27.640 need to be awake, you know what I mean. Your 0:18:27.640 --> 0:18:32.240 mind will it's a higher functioning part of you. It's 0:18:32.280 --> 0:18:37.239 the mind brain. And if that's not in alignment with 0:18:37.400 --> 0:18:40.640 your agenda, then you're you're going to lose that fight 0:18:40.680 --> 0:18:41.920 one hundred percent of a time. 0:18:42.040 --> 0:18:42.280 Right. 0:18:42.880 --> 0:18:50.320 So with that said, we can still recognize that environment 0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:54.640 and resources have a lot to do with this, right 0:18:55.040 --> 0:18:59.760 if we're using test scores as the metric. Okay, let's 0:18:59.840 --> 0:19:03.200 also account for the fact that in other parts of 0:19:03.240 --> 0:19:07.840 the world they center education very differently than we do 0:19:07.920 --> 0:19:12.600 in this country. Indeed, right, education is of the utmost 0:19:12.600 --> 0:19:17.679 importance in other parts of the world, in particular in 0:19:18.400 --> 0:19:24.199 Southeast Asia, East Asia and Southeast Asia, where you know, 0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:27.359 their test scores are often compared to the scores of 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:31.600 you know, US students, and and then. 0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:34.359 Typically higher across the board of race or gender. 0:19:34.480 --> 0:19:39.600 Sure, and again that is a reflection of some cultural 0:19:39.600 --> 0:19:42.879 differences there. Bear in mind that in this country, the 0:19:43.000 --> 0:19:46.200 education system I'm drawing from memory now, but the education 0:19:46.320 --> 0:19:50.199 system was largely built as a result of John D. 0:19:50.440 --> 0:19:55.679 Rockefeller's expansion of his empire. In New York City. He 0:19:55.800 --> 0:20:01.200 needed workers to build those skyscrapers, and those workers had 0:20:01.200 --> 0:20:07.160 to have certain skills, certain knowledge, And this is where 0:20:07.200 --> 0:20:09.440 you get the beginnings of standardized testing. You know, once 0:20:09.480 --> 0:20:11.239 upon you think of little house on the prairie, there 0:20:11.280 --> 0:20:13.399 was a schoolhouse. All the kids were in the same school, 0:20:13.480 --> 0:20:16.080 all different ages and grades or whatever, all doing the 0:20:16.080 --> 0:20:20.240 same thing. Well, John D. Rockefeller comes along and says, look, man, 0:20:20.560 --> 0:20:23.280 I need people to know these skills so that you 0:20:23.320 --> 0:20:24.879 know these buildings are built properly. 0:20:24.880 --> 0:20:28.720 Who amongst you can do this? Right? Okay? I need 0:20:28.760 --> 0:20:30.159 all y'all to come with me, right. 0:20:30.240 --> 0:20:33.359 Exactly, And he partnered with the Board of Education, or 0:20:33.400 --> 0:20:37.160 really established the Board of Education in New York, which 0:20:37.240 --> 0:20:40.720 was then replicated elsewhere in the country to where we 0:20:40.800 --> 0:20:41.679 ended up with what we have. 0:20:41.800 --> 0:20:42.000 Now. 0:20:42.040 --> 0:20:43.920 This wasn't always the case. It's always been the case 0:20:43.920 --> 0:20:47.280 in our lifetime, sure, but it wasn't the case since 0:20:47.320 --> 0:20:51.040 the sixteen hundreds. That just isn't the way this has 0:20:51.080 --> 0:20:57.520 come about. And you know the result of that is 0:20:57.560 --> 0:21:02.320 that the education system had to be. 0:21:04.040 --> 0:21:09.480 Built around seasonal work. 0:21:10.560 --> 0:21:12.640 A lot of young people still had to go in 0:21:12.640 --> 0:21:15.600 the summers and harvest with their families because a lot 0:21:15.600 --> 0:21:17.920 of people, you know, work in farms. This is why 0:21:17.920 --> 0:21:21.760 we get summers off. In other countries, they don't. They 0:21:21.760 --> 0:21:22.720 go to school year round. 0:21:24.720 --> 0:21:24.959 You know. 0:21:25.359 --> 0:21:31.080 They treat school like its work, not like it's something 0:21:31.119 --> 0:21:33.479 that you have to do in order to you know, 0:21:33.560 --> 0:21:34.359 not go to jail. 0:21:34.840 --> 0:21:35.320 It's work. 0:21:35.400 --> 0:21:38.800 You work hard, and you create opportunities for yourself, right 0:21:39.800 --> 0:21:42.119 and in a lot of these places when you get out, 0:21:42.160 --> 0:21:44.800 you don't even have those opportunities, Like you know, this 0:21:44.880 --> 0:21:47.560 is the land of opportunity, they're the land of education. 0:21:47.640 --> 0:21:49.480 And it's it's strange how that kind of fleshed out. 0:21:49.520 --> 0:21:52.520 But again, we're talking about test scores, which is the 0:21:52.680 --> 0:21:55.320 I guess, the accepted method of determining who's smart and 0:21:55.359 --> 0:21:56.320 who's not. 0:21:57.640 --> 0:22:01.720 So it's a lot trickier then it's a simple method. 0:22:01.880 --> 0:22:07.000 It's an very very olderly simplified, sophisticated method of trying 0:22:07.040 --> 0:22:10.360 to determine who's smarter who's not. So let me jump 0:22:10.359 --> 0:22:13.040 back in and read a little bit more here. Among 0:22:13.080 --> 0:22:16.480 other groups of whites, those with average mental test scores 0:22:16.520 --> 0:22:19.120 no higher than the average mental test scores among blacks 0:22:19.480 --> 0:22:23.200 included those in very various isolated mountain communities in the 0:22:23.320 --> 0:22:30.800 United States, those living in the Hebrides Islands off of Scotland, 0:22:31.040 --> 0:22:34.800 and those in isolated canal boat communities in Britain. Looking 0:22:34.880 --> 0:22:38.560 at achievements in general, people living in geographically isolated environments 0:22:38.600 --> 0:22:41.679 around the world have long lagged behind the progress of 0:22:41.720 --> 0:22:45.440 people with a wider cultural universe, regardless of the race 0:22:45.840 --> 0:22:49.320 of the people in these isolated places. When the Spaniards 0:22:49.359 --> 0:22:52.760 discovered the Canary Islands in the fifteenth century, they found 0:22:52.880 --> 0:22:56.760 people of a Caucasian race living at a stone age level. 0:22:58.880 --> 0:23:01.280 And then the conversation and here goes on I which 0:23:01.320 --> 0:23:02.720 you want to read this because I think it's pretty cool. 0:23:02.960 --> 0:23:04.879 That's all I'm willing to give you on this question. 0:23:05.000 --> 0:23:05.760 Using common sense. 0:23:05.800 --> 0:23:08.840 You will only be able to determine this properly if 0:23:08.840 --> 0:23:12.400 everyone is equally given a good education that is consistent 0:23:12.440 --> 0:23:14.760 across the board and over a substantial period of time. 0:23:15.080 --> 0:23:17.280 And I don't think we have ever seen that. There 0:23:17.320 --> 0:23:21.000 are definitely many, many, many black people with higher IQ's 0:23:21.200 --> 0:23:23.119 than you. I like the sass at the end of that, 0:23:25.440 --> 0:23:29.000 but also like, yeah, it was, it was. It was 0:23:29.040 --> 0:23:30.359 petty in the perfect way. 0:23:30.320 --> 0:23:31.520 Very specifically petty. 0:23:32.480 --> 0:23:36.399 But you know, this is Uh, this is something that's it. 0:23:38.320 --> 0:23:40.359 A lot of people need to challenge themselves because I 0:23:40.400 --> 0:23:44.000 know that you've heard this que and I've heard it certainly, you. 0:23:43.960 --> 0:23:48.040 Know I like you. It's your people heard oh you talk. 0:23:48.160 --> 0:23:51.439 I've heard those words specifically, show an exact word that 0:23:51.480 --> 0:23:51.880 you said. 0:23:51.920 --> 0:23:55.280 I believe it. And you know, oh you? Why you 0:23:55.320 --> 0:23:58.000 talk so nice? Why can't everybody you know talk like you? 0:23:58.000 --> 0:23:59.399 Why don't your people talk like you? 0:23:59.440 --> 0:24:02.040 That's give an example of a conversation like that to 0:24:02.400 --> 0:24:05.439 a white co worker today, right that we end up 0:24:05.440 --> 0:24:08.240 in these rooms where that's the conversation that we're being had. 0:24:08.280 --> 0:24:11.719 And we talk about the over simplification of determining who's smart. 0:24:12.160 --> 0:24:14.159 I heard someone say it. I can't credit the right 0:24:14.200 --> 0:24:17.399 person because it's not top of mine right now. But 0:24:17.440 --> 0:24:19.679 if you judge the intelligence of a fish on its 0:24:19.720 --> 0:24:23.040 ability to fly, every. 0:24:22.640 --> 0:24:25.200 Fish would fail and it been its whole life thinking 0:24:25.240 --> 0:24:33.840 it's stupid. And this is an injustice to six year 0:24:33.880 --> 0:24:37.200 old Ramses having lived a life thinking that we were 0:24:37.320 --> 0:24:41.359 just supposed to be poor. And you know, I was 0:24:41.560 --> 0:24:43.560 a person that got lucky. 0:24:43.560 --> 0:24:45.439 Who knows. We're going to give you guys more on 0:24:45.440 --> 0:24:49.360