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Speaker 1: The Season with Peter Schreeger is a production of the

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Speaker 1: NFL in partnership with iHeartRadio. What's up, everybody, It's this

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Speaker 1: Peter Schreger. This is the Season with Peter Schreger. I'm

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Speaker 1: smiling because we're having a blast here on a rainy,

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Speaker 1: rainy New York City day here in Gotham. Gotta go

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Speaker 1: Taylor Swift, and we got to discuss it. You could

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Speaker 1: turn off the microphones, you can shut off the podcast,

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Speaker 1: you could fast forward five minutes till our guests. That's fine,

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Speaker 1: but I just have to address it because I have

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Speaker 1: different takes and everyone else, and you got to hear

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Speaker 1: from the authority me. I got a tip Sunday morning

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Speaker 1: that Swift might be at the game. I didn't do

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Speaker 1: anything with that tip, because what's the report. I go

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Speaker 1: on Fox NFL Kickoff and I look into the camera

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Speaker 1: with a serious face. I mean talking about CJ. Gardner

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Speaker 1: I kind of love how it was revealed. Rich Russo

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Speaker 1: broadcast industry. This wasn't a big thing. It was just like,

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Speaker 1: all right, game opens and they shoot to the box

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Speaker 1: and there she is with Kelsey's mom and it says

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Speaker 1: like twelve time Grammy winner, like she had a stat

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Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, And then it was just pandemonium.

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Speaker 1: And for me, who fancies himself a pop culture guy

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Speaker 1: then for Kelsey, it's like this is like for the

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Speaker 1: for the NFL broadcaster who also enjoys like the Taylor

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Speaker 1: Swift like pop culture world, and where she's at in

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Speaker 1: New York, like this is the shaded part of the

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Speaker 1: then diagram. Baby, Like this is like right in my wheelhouse.

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Speaker 1: I come at this at a very what's the word,

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Speaker 1: Pollyanna view. I like it. I think every time I've

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Speaker 1: seen Taylor Swift dating one of these guys, some brooding

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Speaker 1: musician like you, Aaron, and it's like some British guy

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Speaker 1: who's in an indie band and she's and the guy's

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Speaker 1: got the shoveled hair and he's like writing, like writing

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Speaker 1: love songs about like misery or something. She's with the

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Speaker 1: jock she's with the jock. She's with Travis Kelcey, And

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Speaker 1: I was a little skeptical the whole thing. The whole time,

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Speaker 1: she's got. I'm like, what here? I love young love.

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Speaker 1: What if after all her trials and tribulations she fell

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Speaker 1: in love with a guy who I have fallen in

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Speaker 1: you can't not like Travis Kelsey. He might be you

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Speaker 1: might think he's corny, you might think he's cheesy. He's

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Speaker 1: a good dude, he's a champion. He's maybe the greatest

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Speaker 1: tight end to ever played. Don't tell Gronk. And furthermore,

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Speaker 1: he's like positive, he's likable, he's fun. Uh, this is

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Speaker 1: But my favorite thing was what came out yesterday. So

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Speaker 1: a little bit. They got worried that she was there

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Speaker 1: She came with her backup dancers. She had a couple

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Speaker 1: There were hundreds of fans outside the suite and they're

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Speaker 1: And she never left the suite. You never saw her.

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Speaker 1: And yet later you'd see Jared Payton, who is Walter

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Speaker 1: and he's got a video of Taylor Swift and Travis

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Speaker 1: Kelcey leaving the stadium together. And then there's this amazing

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Speaker 1: never left that suite. Well, there's some next level stuff here.

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Speaker 1: We've got friends who are Philly folks, and yesterday we

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Speaker 1: see it. This is why you listen to the season.

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Speaker 1: You want to know what's really going on. I can't

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Speaker 1: confirm it, but I think Taylor Swift crouched, put her

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Speaker 1: She comes out of the box. Hello, cuckoockachew here I

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Speaker 1: am Piekaboo. She pops out, she sees Kelsey. They're not

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Speaker 1: Kelsey wore a shirt called I think Bedroom Painting?

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Speaker 1: The makers of that outfit which is honestly just a

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Speaker 1: One more thing. Michael Rubin, the godfather of fanatics and

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Speaker 1: the numbers that Kelsey's jersey sales are up four hundred

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Speaker 1: And everybody is winning from this thing. Now are they

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Speaker 1: going to be doing this week now? Rob Hyland is

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Speaker 1: be in the box at MetLife. He's like, I have

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Speaker 1: not gotten word yet. We will monitor the situation. But Aaron,

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Speaker 1: I come at it with a I mean, I love

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Speaker 1: my wife, we had a storybook romance. We were meant

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Speaker 1: for each other. These things are possible. Aaron. Are you

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Speaker 3: Uh? Well, first of all, I just want to say

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Speaker 1: We're gonna nothing but go on, go on.

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Speaker 3: I think my feelings around it are wrapped up entirely

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm very happy with the build up to this

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Speaker 3: all in on that. That's great. And like you said,

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Speaker 3: she's been with kind of a host of guys who

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Speaker 3: No no, so yeah, I think that that's the two

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Speaker 3: and it's like, she's not here, what do we need her?

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Speaker 3: And it's like, what are we bringing her up for

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Speaker 3: fun to see, like her sitting next to Kelsey's mom.

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Speaker 3: Loved all that. I just don't want like suddenly like

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Speaker 3: That's that's my one take. It's nothing against her. It's

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Speaker 1: Who cares done? No, Sorry, I'm employed by the NFL.

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Speaker 1: done all right. So there's multiple sides to the negative

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Speaker 1: think Chris Russo was very vocal saying she could have

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Speaker 1: her that many times. I won't go as far as

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Speaker 1: I would say it's forty one nothing. You've got a

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Speaker 1: Second critique, which I gotta say, guilty pleasure. I love this.

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Speaker 1: Kelly Keegs on Barstool did you ever follow her? No,

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Speaker 1: she's a Taylor Swift obsessive, but like she she's got takes,

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Speaker 1: and her take is that Travis Kelcey's corny, and like,

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Speaker 1: If you want to go with that take. That's an opinion.

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Speaker 1: I'm for that. It's the it's the stuff that I

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Speaker 1: I have interviewed him. I'm not exaggerating. Probably a dozen times.

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Speaker 1: I just think he's a fascinating story. Guys, you might

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Speaker 1: And he is with me now Richmond Flowers the third Richmond,

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Speaker 1: how are you man?

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Speaker 2: I'm good, Peter, how are you doing.

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Speaker 4: So I had been calling Mike Shanahan and Kyle for

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Speaker 4: Kind of felt kind of bad for my wife at

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Speaker 4: But again, I was really Kyle's buddy from college that

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Speaker 4: You know, the truth is my dad's remain college was

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Speaker 4: to hit me in the face.

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Speaker 2: I got to get the hell out of here. Even

426
00:21:50,346 --> 00:21:50,786
Speaker 2: though the.

427
00:21:50,666 --> 00:21:53,986
Speaker 4: One profession that I always kind of knew that I

428
00:21:54,026 --> 00:21:56,506
Speaker 4: wanted to stay away from was coaching. To be honest

429
00:21:56,506 --> 00:21:58,706
Speaker 4: with you, as a player, that's all I ever wanted

430
00:21:58,706 --> 00:22:02,426
Speaker 4: to do is play. I really never saw myself as coaching.

431
00:22:03,346 --> 00:22:07,146
Speaker 4: But I think sometimes it takes losing foot all, leaving

432
00:22:07,306 --> 00:22:09,546
Speaker 4: what you love and losing kind of a focus of

433
00:22:09,626 --> 00:22:11,546
Speaker 4: being around the thing that you really love and know

434
00:22:11,986 --> 00:22:15,586
Speaker 4: to really want it back. So really my strategy was

435
00:22:15,666 --> 00:22:18,466
Speaker 4: to go check it out, get thrown in the middle

436
00:22:18,466 --> 00:22:19,866
Speaker 4: of it all, it was obvious that you were going

437
00:22:19,906 --> 00:22:22,226
Speaker 4: to kind of be in the path of progress, and

438
00:22:22,306 --> 00:22:24,626
Speaker 4: so the opportunity to get down there and be around

439
00:22:24,666 --> 00:22:27,066
Speaker 4: Mike Shanahan and Kyle and all those guys, it was

440
00:22:27,146 --> 00:22:29,226
Speaker 4: more of a I believe I could be a really

441
00:22:29,266 --> 00:22:31,986
Speaker 4: good agent, and I know that I'll be a better

442
00:22:32,026 --> 00:22:34,706
Speaker 4: agent if I'm thrown into the middle of whatever Mike

443
00:22:34,746 --> 00:22:36,986
Speaker 4: Shanahan's going to do next. And so I kind of

444
00:22:37,026 --> 00:22:39,986
Speaker 4: had a hunch walking in. I figured out my path.

445
00:22:40,066 --> 00:22:44,226
Speaker 4: But ultimately you recognize what you're really good at and

446
00:22:44,226 --> 00:22:45,946
Speaker 4: what you can be really good at, and then you

447
00:22:45,946 --> 00:22:47,906
Speaker 4: know you have to be honest with yourself and assess

448
00:22:48,346 --> 00:22:50,466
Speaker 4: if you have a ceiling or not. Good things would

449
00:22:50,466 --> 00:22:53,746
Speaker 4: happen if you throw yourself into the middle of something

450
00:22:53,826 --> 00:22:56,106
Speaker 4: led by Mike Shanahan. I had so much respect for

451
00:22:56,226 --> 00:22:58,506
Speaker 4: him and had known him for a really long time,

452
00:22:58,506 --> 00:23:01,426
Speaker 4: and Kyle was really my best friend time who was.

453
00:23:01,426 --> 00:23:04,026
Speaker 1: Your first client. When you leave coaching and you say

454
00:23:04,026 --> 00:23:05,786
Speaker 1: I'm going to be a coaching agent, I know that

455
00:23:05,826 --> 00:23:08,346
Speaker 1: there's you know, titans of the industry, whether it's Jimmy

456
00:23:08,346 --> 00:23:11,826
Speaker 1: Sexton or Bob Lamont. These guys have a stronghold on

457
00:23:11,866 --> 00:23:14,386
Speaker 1: all these head coaches and there's legends told about them.

458
00:23:14,626 --> 00:23:18,066
Speaker 1: Here's this young gun coming from being an active coach

459
00:23:18,146 --> 00:23:19,426
Speaker 1: to now I'm going to be an agent. Who was

460
00:23:19,466 --> 00:23:21,866
Speaker 1: the first client that said, I'll jump on that wing

461
00:23:21,946 --> 00:23:22,186
Speaker 1: with you?

462
00:23:22,906 --> 00:23:26,346
Speaker 4: I mean, the first client was Mike McDaniel, because we

463
00:23:26,426 --> 00:23:28,826
Speaker 4: really sort of sat in the room together for two

464
00:23:28,906 --> 00:23:31,226
Speaker 4: years and we would just talk about all this stuff.

465
00:23:31,386 --> 00:23:33,986
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, we would talk about the vision

466
00:23:34,026 --> 00:23:36,386
Speaker 4: for our careers. We would talk about the build out

467
00:23:36,586 --> 00:23:39,706
Speaker 4: of collective and what it means and the importance of it.

468
00:23:39,746 --> 00:23:41,826
Speaker 2: We would talk about where we're going to go.

469
00:23:42,146 --> 00:23:44,746
Speaker 4: I had I'll be the first one to tell you,

470
00:23:45,106 --> 00:23:49,066
Speaker 4: because I think Mike's story is all about people needing

471
00:23:49,066 --> 00:23:51,266
Speaker 4: to see it before they can believe it, you know.

472
00:23:51,346 --> 00:23:53,986
Speaker 4: And I'll never forget one of the first times I

473
00:23:54,026 --> 00:23:57,066
Speaker 4: met Mike. Doesn't take it very long to show you

474
00:23:57,146 --> 00:23:59,146
Speaker 4: his resume, and at the top of his resume, it's

475
00:23:59,146 --> 00:24:00,706
Speaker 4: going to say I'm going to be a Super Bowl

476
00:24:00,746 --> 00:24:01,866
Speaker 4: winning head coach.

477
00:24:02,146 --> 00:24:04,986
Speaker 2: And you know I and so I remember.

478
00:24:04,946 --> 00:24:07,786
Speaker 1: Wait a second, I'm the resid. It has that statement.

479
00:24:08,106 --> 00:24:11,546
Speaker 1: It doesn't say Yale undergrad and coaching Texans. It says

480
00:24:11,986 --> 00:24:13,426
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be a super bowling head coach. I mean,

481
00:24:13,586 --> 00:24:15,186
Speaker 1: that sounds awfully arrogant to me.

482
00:24:15,786 --> 00:24:21,906
Speaker 4: It's absolutely arrogant. Didn't you see the play callers? That's Mike,

483
00:24:22,386 --> 00:24:25,746
Speaker 4: you know, I mean it, it's that belief in self

484
00:24:26,346 --> 00:24:29,506
Speaker 4: that separates him. I mean, but that is honest to gods,

485
00:24:29,506 --> 00:24:33,986
Speaker 4: truth went to Yale, you know basically that. I mean,

486
00:24:34,026 --> 00:24:35,706
Speaker 4: that's what it says at the top of his resume.

487
00:24:35,786 --> 00:24:39,266
Speaker 4: And I remember at the time thinking, all right, you know,

488
00:24:39,706 --> 00:24:42,546
Speaker 4: just like I said, Mike came in the second year.

489
00:24:42,586 --> 00:24:45,466
Speaker 4: And the funny part of that is Mike has probably

490
00:24:45,506 --> 00:24:48,826
Speaker 4: me to thank for coming in the second year, because

491
00:24:50,826 --> 00:24:53,026
Speaker 4: I was if you were to write down what I

492
00:24:53,186 --> 00:24:55,426
Speaker 4: was probably really not very good at, it would have

493
00:24:55,466 --> 00:24:57,946
Speaker 4: been the job description of the quality control that I

494
00:24:57,986 --> 00:25:03,826
Speaker 4: would have. And so, like, Kyle's tough, and I've experienced

495
00:25:03,826 --> 00:25:06,306
Speaker 4: a firsthand, well he's a lot tougher when you're his

496
00:25:06,466 --> 00:25:11,026
Speaker 4: buddy and you get hired. So my job was to

497
00:25:11,066 --> 00:25:13,466
Speaker 4: look at one picture and find it the little small

498
00:25:13,506 --> 00:25:16,066
Speaker 4: detail that was the mistake and then fix it.

499
00:25:16,146 --> 00:25:17,786
Speaker 2: And I'd bring it to Kyle.

500
00:25:17,506 --> 00:25:19,826
Speaker 4: And then he'd be and sitting back down the hallway,

501
00:25:20,346 --> 00:25:22,906
Speaker 4: and so like he made me enough that had opened

502
00:25:22,946 --> 00:25:24,786
Speaker 4: the door for Mike, and I think by the end

503
00:25:24,786 --> 00:25:27,746
Speaker 4: of year one, we should probably bring Mike in here.

504
00:25:27,866 --> 00:25:29,826
Speaker 2: Now we're not going to let him take Richmond's job.

505
00:25:29,986 --> 00:25:32,546
Speaker 4: And so that's when he created himself into a run

506
00:25:32,586 --> 00:25:35,106
Speaker 4: gurgle because he went with Chris Furster at the O line.

507
00:25:35,586 --> 00:25:38,546
Speaker 1: So yet Mike as a client, what year is that?

508
00:25:38,586 --> 00:25:40,786
Speaker 1: Because it doesn't happen overnight for Mike McDaniel. He's an

509
00:25:40,786 --> 00:25:43,266
Speaker 1: assistant for Kyle for a long ass time before he

510
00:25:43,266 --> 00:25:44,986
Speaker 1: finally gets an interview to be a head coach.

511
00:25:45,586 --> 00:25:46,066
Speaker 2: Yeah.

512
00:25:46,226 --> 00:25:50,066
Speaker 4: So first my two first clients were truly it was

513
00:25:50,146 --> 00:25:54,026
Speaker 4: Mike McDaniel and then Vic Fangio and that's another story.

514
00:25:54,066 --> 00:25:59,266
Speaker 4: But twenty eleven, Mike comes in there, and for me,

515
00:25:59,986 --> 00:26:03,626
Speaker 4: it's all about perspective and your experiences, and when you

516
00:26:03,706 --> 00:26:07,346
Speaker 4: have you gain a perspective by being in this one

517
00:26:07,346 --> 00:26:10,466
Speaker 4: of a kind environment and having experiences next to each other,

518
00:26:11,106 --> 00:26:14,426
Speaker 4: it changes you. And so like for me, I had

519
00:26:14,426 --> 00:26:18,186
Speaker 4: the perspective of getting to see Keenan mccartal come in there,

520
00:26:18,346 --> 00:26:21,306
Speaker 4: and then next year Kyle brought an Ike and I

521
00:26:21,346 --> 00:26:23,826
Speaker 4: think that that just like anything, when you get your

522
00:26:23,866 --> 00:26:26,466
Speaker 4: opportunity to be a coordinator. Kyle's kind of finding his

523
00:26:26,506 --> 00:26:28,866
Speaker 4: way and figuring out the dynamics of his staff and

524
00:26:28,866 --> 00:26:31,586
Speaker 4: what works and what doesn't and the importance of it. Man,

525
00:26:31,626 --> 00:26:35,306
Speaker 4: when Mike came in, you see this unassuming guy that

526
00:26:35,786 --> 00:26:38,506
Speaker 4: doesn't immediately strike you as this is the next Vnce Lombardi.

527
00:26:38,986 --> 00:26:41,946
Speaker 2: But as a former player, I had so.

528
00:26:41,986 --> 00:26:45,626
Speaker 4: Much appreciation for the way that somebody could kind of

529
00:26:45,626 --> 00:26:48,426
Speaker 4: distill in their mind how to teach a position, the

530
00:26:48,426 --> 00:26:53,506
Speaker 4: progression recall from plays that really aren't as hard to find,

531
00:26:53,586 --> 00:26:55,546
Speaker 4: because when you love something so much, you know how

532
00:26:55,546 --> 00:26:57,706
Speaker 4: to just piece it together. But Mike was so organized

533
00:26:57,706 --> 00:27:00,826
Speaker 4: and he had been collecting edits and building a library

534
00:27:00,866 --> 00:27:04,186
Speaker 4: to teach from. So I remember when I saw him

535
00:27:04,186 --> 00:27:07,306
Speaker 4: on his Exos computer one day and I walked over

536
00:27:07,346 --> 00:27:09,626
Speaker 4: there and he basically showed me how he breaks down

537
00:27:09,666 --> 00:27:14,586
Speaker 4: the wide receiver position. And I'll never forget I really

538
00:27:14,706 --> 00:27:19,066
Speaker 4: learned more in that discussion than I had learned in

539
00:27:19,106 --> 00:27:21,706
Speaker 4: the previous two years. But as a career trying to

540
00:27:21,706 --> 00:27:24,826
Speaker 4: be a professional wide receiver, because of the way that

541
00:27:24,946 --> 00:27:27,866
Speaker 4: he broke down the opponent, he broke down the different

542
00:27:27,866 --> 00:27:30,466
Speaker 4: techniques of the starting at the line with press coverage,

543
00:27:30,466 --> 00:27:33,146
Speaker 4: whether it's soft shoe man or it's cloud, how to

544
00:27:33,186 --> 00:27:36,946
Speaker 4: attack it, the different techniques, the minute detail when you're

545
00:27:37,026 --> 00:27:39,306
Speaker 4: running a route, whether you know how you're standing at

546
00:27:39,346 --> 00:27:42,186
Speaker 4: the line, whether you're you know, opening up to break

547
00:27:42,226 --> 00:27:45,306
Speaker 4: it down and then you know a false acceleration, and

548
00:27:46,306 --> 00:27:48,186
Speaker 4: the details of how you come out.

549
00:27:48,026 --> 00:27:49,866
Speaker 2: Of your breaks and catch the football. All of it

550
00:27:49,946 --> 00:27:50,586
Speaker 2: was right there.

551
00:27:50,706 --> 00:27:53,026
Speaker 4: And the way that he organized it gave me this

552
00:27:53,186 --> 00:27:56,946
Speaker 4: picture and it was like, holy, okay, I now you know.

553
00:27:57,466 --> 00:27:58,586
Speaker 2: I just learned so much.

554
00:27:58,866 --> 00:27:59,106
Speaker 1: Yeah.

555
00:27:59,186 --> 00:28:03,146
Speaker 4: It was that experience combined with Kyle walked into my

556
00:28:03,146 --> 00:28:07,066
Speaker 4: office one day when I was the pictures and basically said, Richmond,

557
00:28:07,986 --> 00:28:09,626
Speaker 4: you got a chance to be a Rian receivers coach

558
00:28:09,666 --> 00:28:10,466
Speaker 4: one day, but you got to.

559
00:28:10,426 --> 00:28:11,466
Speaker 2: Get these pictures right.

560
00:28:11,546 --> 00:28:12,066
Speaker 1: Yeah.

561
00:28:12,146 --> 00:28:14,666
Speaker 4: And then and he wasn't probably thinking at the time

562
00:28:14,746 --> 00:28:16,986
Speaker 4: that Mike was going to become the wide receivers coach.

563
00:28:17,506 --> 00:28:20,866
Speaker 2: But when you're in the meeting.

564
00:28:20,666 --> 00:28:23,226
Speaker 4: Room and you're watching the players and the way they

565
00:28:23,266 --> 00:28:26,386
Speaker 4: respond to him, and you have a comparison, and then

566
00:28:26,466 --> 00:28:28,706
Speaker 4: he walks in, this unassuming.

567
00:28:28,226 --> 00:28:30,306
Speaker 2: Guy who's super authentic, who's put.

568
00:28:30,106 --> 00:28:32,466
Speaker 4: All this work in and has been staying up all

569
00:28:32,546 --> 00:28:34,706
Speaker 4: night long and can stay.

570
00:28:34,506 --> 00:28:36,866
Speaker 2: Up all night long and you know, stay focused on

571
00:28:36,906 --> 00:28:37,266
Speaker 2: the task.

572
00:28:37,826 --> 00:28:37,946
Speaker 1: Man.

573
00:28:38,066 --> 00:28:40,106
Speaker 2: Every word that he said, those guys listen to.

574
00:28:40,186 --> 00:28:43,226
Speaker 4: They hung on everything he put them in a position

575
00:28:43,546 --> 00:28:44,546
Speaker 4: to succeed.

576
00:28:44,906 --> 00:28:45,946
Speaker 2: He would give him tips.

577
00:28:46,226 --> 00:28:49,906
Speaker 4: It was Pierre Garsan and Leonard Hankerson and Santana Moss

578
00:28:49,906 --> 00:28:52,746
Speaker 4: and those guys were so attentive, and you realized, I

579
00:28:52,746 --> 00:28:55,586
Speaker 4: don't care what anybody says, this guy is going to

580
00:28:55,666 --> 00:28:57,306
Speaker 4: be a good receivers coach.

581
00:28:57,346 --> 00:29:00,026
Speaker 2: He's going to be a great coach, because.

582
00:28:59,706 --> 00:29:03,586
Speaker 4: What is more important than the players just listening to

583
00:29:03,626 --> 00:29:07,386
Speaker 4: your every word, believing and knowing that investment that you're

584
00:29:07,386 --> 00:29:10,186
Speaker 4: making every time you walk into that meeting room. I mean,

585
00:29:10,226 --> 00:29:11,826
Speaker 4: and that's second to none.

586
00:29:12,106 --> 00:29:14,506
Speaker 1: I met Mike when he was with Cleveland for that

587
00:29:14,586 --> 00:29:16,226
Speaker 1: year and then he was with Atlanta, and it was

588
00:29:16,266 --> 00:29:18,466
Speaker 1: always this. I was always tight with a lot of

589
00:29:18,466 --> 00:29:20,466
Speaker 1: those guys. But he had the flat brimmed hat. Always

590
00:29:20,506 --> 00:29:22,626
Speaker 1: before it was cool, he'd wear the giant hat. He'd

591
00:29:22,626 --> 00:29:25,226
Speaker 1: have his sunglasses on and before the game. He was,

592
00:29:25,466 --> 00:29:27,826
Speaker 1: you know, twenty something year old guy. And let's call

593
00:29:27,866 --> 00:29:31,866
Speaker 1: it like it is, unassuming, gangly guy with glasses coaching

594
00:29:32,026 --> 00:29:35,226
Speaker 1: elite NFL wide receivers, and yet they would respond to

595
00:29:35,306 --> 00:29:36,666
Speaker 1: him in such a way where it was like, Oh,

596
00:29:36,706 --> 00:29:39,346
Speaker 1: this guy's got swag, He's got something to him. Did

597
00:29:39,386 --> 00:29:41,186
Speaker 1: you know that right away when he walks in the

598
00:29:41,266 --> 00:29:43,706
Speaker 1: room that oh, immediately like he passes the eye test

599
00:29:43,746 --> 00:29:45,346
Speaker 1: of this deal. This dude's the real deal.

600
00:29:46,226 --> 00:29:49,866
Speaker 4: I became friendly with Andrew Hawkins, and it's widely documented

601
00:29:50,146 --> 00:29:53,506
Speaker 4: how much he respects and loves Mike, and I mean,

602
00:29:54,026 --> 00:29:57,906
Speaker 4: you know, yes, absolutely, I mean, at the time, the

603
00:29:57,946 --> 00:30:01,786
Speaker 4: truth is, Mike was the only run game coordinator wide

604
00:30:01,786 --> 00:30:04,746
Speaker 4: receiver that probably ever existed in the NFL. Yeah, for

605
00:30:04,786 --> 00:30:08,146
Speaker 4: the Cleveland Browns, which it makes sense because you know,

606
00:30:08,346 --> 00:30:10,986
Speaker 4: Kyle was hired late and so there were some other

607
00:30:11,026 --> 00:30:13,826
Speaker 4: coaches on the staff, and you know, it gives you

608
00:30:13,866 --> 00:30:17,106
Speaker 4: a little insight into the importance of staff continuity. And

609
00:30:17,346 --> 00:30:20,386
Speaker 4: you know, it's also widely documented how what a great

610
00:30:20,466 --> 00:30:23,866
Speaker 4: job Kyle's done keeping his staff together and how he's

611
00:30:23,906 --> 00:30:28,146
Speaker 4: fiercely fighting for his people because you know, that investment

612
00:30:28,186 --> 00:30:32,106
Speaker 4: that you're making in the coaches on your staff, man,

613
00:30:32,106 --> 00:30:35,146
Speaker 4: this system is teaching you to look at the world differently,

614
00:30:35,386 --> 00:30:38,546
Speaker 4: not just the game, you know, because you're building based

615
00:30:38,546 --> 00:30:41,426
Speaker 4: on what you don't know, and I feel like, you know,

616
00:30:41,506 --> 00:30:42,106
Speaker 4: one of the.

617
00:30:42,026 --> 00:30:44,426
Speaker 2: Things that became real apparent.

618
00:30:45,026 --> 00:30:46,986
Speaker 4: And I was so fortunate to be around so many

619
00:30:46,986 --> 00:30:49,346
Speaker 4: people with a lot of great experiences in the league,

620
00:30:49,986 --> 00:30:52,666
Speaker 4: but you know, a bunch of young guys that felt

621
00:30:52,666 --> 00:30:55,306
Speaker 4: like innovation was the norm and everything everywhere else is

622
00:30:55,426 --> 00:30:59,306
Speaker 4: like this, which is not the case, really, not absolutely

623
00:30:59,346 --> 00:30:59,826
Speaker 4: not the case.

624
00:30:59,866 --> 00:31:00,026
Speaker 2: Now.

625
00:31:00,066 --> 00:31:02,186
Speaker 4: I don't think those guys ever stopped to realize that

626
00:31:02,226 --> 00:31:04,546
Speaker 4: other places aren't like this. So it's a benefit to them,

627
00:31:04,906 --> 00:31:07,146
Speaker 4: but for me, not sure if I wanted to coach.

628
00:31:07,386 --> 00:31:09,546
Speaker 4: I was kind of looking for the next thing in

629
00:31:09,546 --> 00:31:14,626
Speaker 4: my path. And so when Chris Burster would always say, Richmond,

630
00:31:14,626 --> 00:31:16,106
Speaker 4: I've been in the league for a long time. I've

631
00:31:16,106 --> 00:31:18,546
Speaker 4: worked for Denny Green, I've worked for Tony Dungee, and

632
00:31:18,586 --> 00:31:21,946
Speaker 4: these are all amazing coaches, but this is different. This

633
00:31:22,026 --> 00:31:24,546
Speaker 4: is such a football focused environment. It's all about the

634
00:31:24,626 --> 00:31:27,426
Speaker 4: right things. You're getting empowered here. You're not just being

635
00:31:27,426 --> 00:31:29,626
Speaker 4: told what to do. You're serving with a real purpose

636
00:31:29,706 --> 00:31:34,826
Speaker 4: and the experience and how everybody was prepared to have success,

637
00:31:35,386 --> 00:31:37,466
Speaker 4: you knew. And so when Chris would say that to me,

638
00:31:37,946 --> 00:31:41,346
Speaker 4: I started thinking, wait a second, so we're learning something

639
00:31:41,386 --> 00:31:43,706
Speaker 4: super rare that you know, ninety eight percent of the

640
00:31:43,706 --> 00:31:47,466
Speaker 4: other organizations and staff probably aren't doing things exactly like.

641
00:31:47,426 --> 00:31:48,066
Speaker 2: We're doing them.

642
00:31:48,346 --> 00:31:49,986
Speaker 4: And that just kind of meant that I was building

643
00:31:49,986 --> 00:31:52,906
Speaker 4: equity in something by the time I left.

644
00:31:53,666 --> 00:31:55,866
Speaker 2: I mean, you you know, when.

645
00:31:55,706 --> 00:31:57,426
Speaker 4: You're a part of a one of a kind environment,

646
00:31:57,706 --> 00:31:59,666
Speaker 4: I mean you just know it, you feel it. And

647
00:31:59,666 --> 00:32:02,786
Speaker 4: that was exciting to me because I didn't know exactly

648
00:32:02,866 --> 00:32:05,706
Speaker 4: where things would go, but I knew whatever was happening

649
00:32:05,826 --> 00:32:08,346
Speaker 4: was special and you and you just had a gut,

650
00:32:08,466 --> 00:32:12,146
Speaker 4: so did everybody else. But ultimately, you know, when Kyle

651
00:32:12,186 --> 00:32:15,026
Speaker 4: brought Mike to Cleveland, that's so important to have someone

652
00:32:15,066 --> 00:32:17,506
Speaker 4: who's lived it, who's been there, who can teach the

653
00:32:17,546 --> 00:32:20,426
Speaker 4: other coaches and set the standards and you know, and

654
00:32:20,786 --> 00:32:23,266
Speaker 4: so that was a really big deal. And I think

655
00:32:23,346 --> 00:32:25,266
Speaker 4: Kyle would have brought some other people along with him,

656
00:32:25,986 --> 00:32:27,586
Speaker 4: but he was hired a little late.

657
00:32:27,906 --> 00:32:30,346
Speaker 1: So Kyle then goes to Atlanta, brings Mike with him,

658
00:32:30,346 --> 00:32:32,266
Speaker 1: and then Kyle gets the head job in San Francisco,

659
00:32:32,386 --> 00:32:34,346
Speaker 1: brings Mike with him, and then for years Mike is

660
00:32:34,386 --> 00:32:38,226
Speaker 1: on staff and then finally finally a head coaching opportunity,

661
00:32:38,506 --> 00:32:41,546
Speaker 1: it's him or Kellen Moore. I'm not solving any secret.

662
00:32:41,626 --> 00:32:44,026
Speaker 1: You will know that what was the interview process for

663
00:32:44,146 --> 00:32:47,386
Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel at Post Brian Flores going into Miami And

664
00:32:47,386 --> 00:32:49,106
Speaker 1: how did you prep him for that? That meeting with

665
00:32:49,346 --> 00:32:51,466
Speaker 1: Steven Ross, who could be a pretty intimidating guy.

666
00:32:52,306 --> 00:32:56,106
Speaker 4: You know, Mike had had actually had an opportunity to

667
00:32:56,306 --> 00:32:59,066
Speaker 4: basically have a kind of a virtual interview, and they

668
00:32:59,066 --> 00:33:00,386
Speaker 4: had a little exposure to him.

669
00:33:00,786 --> 00:33:02,146
Speaker 2: I'll never forget.

670
00:33:02,826 --> 00:33:07,386
Speaker 4: I got a phone call from Brandon Shore and Mike's

671
00:33:07,466 --> 00:33:10,466
Speaker 4: journey special to me because it did take him five

672
00:33:10,546 --> 00:33:14,066
Speaker 4: years And do you know if that's exactly how long

673
00:33:14,106 --> 00:33:15,546
Speaker 4: it took, But the bottom line is it took him

674
00:33:15,586 --> 00:33:18,186
Speaker 4: longer than it should have. And I think the timing

675
00:33:18,226 --> 00:33:21,106
Speaker 4: worked out, and everything you know in life is about timing.

676
00:33:21,266 --> 00:33:23,466
Speaker 4: And you look at kind of the situation of the

677
00:33:23,506 --> 00:33:27,226
Speaker 4: Miami Dolphins and the way they were transitioning, Mike became

678
00:33:27,266 --> 00:33:29,346
Speaker 4: the perfect fit kind of what they were looking for

679
00:33:29,386 --> 00:33:32,946
Speaker 4: at the time, and so like, it's probably not a

680
00:33:33,026 --> 00:33:36,106
Speaker 4: team in the NFL that that I hadn't spoken to

681
00:33:36,146 --> 00:33:38,346
Speaker 4: over the past five years or person to talk to

682
00:33:38,386 --> 00:33:40,706
Speaker 4: him about Mike and this was it.

683
00:33:40,786 --> 00:33:41,746
Speaker 2: This was the opportunity.

684
00:33:41,746 --> 00:33:43,226
Speaker 4: This was the one team that was going to believe

685
00:33:43,266 --> 00:33:45,786
Speaker 4: in him, and they were like, hey, Richmond, we're taking

686
00:33:45,786 --> 00:33:46,586
Speaker 4: a serious shot here.

687
00:33:47,106 --> 00:33:48,946
Speaker 2: We mean business were interested.

688
00:33:49,666 --> 00:33:54,346
Speaker 4: And the culmination of everything that's happened for Mike's been amazing.

689
00:33:54,386 --> 00:33:57,866
Speaker 4: I mean, you look back at Atlanta and I remember

690
00:33:57,946 --> 00:34:00,386
Speaker 4: even you know, you kind of look at Mike and

691
00:34:01,066 --> 00:34:03,386
Speaker 4: how you go from being this quality control coach or

692
00:34:03,386 --> 00:34:06,226
Speaker 4: this unassuming guy. You know, I used to say, look,

693
00:34:06,546 --> 00:34:08,866
Speaker 4: Mike's trajectory's pointing up. The guy was in the broom

694
00:34:08,866 --> 00:34:12,506
Speaker 4: closet at the Falcons and h and you look at

695
00:34:12,546 --> 00:34:15,226
Speaker 4: I got a phone call one day from Tom Pelliasero

696
00:34:15,586 --> 00:34:21,346
Speaker 4: and we were talking and and you know, Mike's alcohol

697
00:34:21,466 --> 00:34:25,866
Speaker 4: issues are also widely documented, and I think that this

698
00:34:25,946 --> 00:34:28,026
Speaker 4: is a league that it can be difficult if you

699
00:34:28,106 --> 00:34:31,706
Speaker 4: if you make certain decisions and you have some roadbumps.

700
00:34:31,146 --> 00:34:32,266
Speaker 2: Not everyone makes it back.

701
00:34:32,666 --> 00:34:35,026
Speaker 4: I think it's a testament to Mike and his focus

702
00:34:35,066 --> 00:34:38,986
Speaker 4: and and his drive. But ultimately, you know, that was

703
00:34:39,066 --> 00:34:42,866
Speaker 4: lingering over Mike, rightfully so, and I think that there

704
00:34:42,986 --> 00:34:45,546
Speaker 4: was this moment where he needed to get that behind him,

705
00:34:46,186 --> 00:34:48,746
Speaker 4: and he was in this amazing place and I was

706
00:34:48,786 --> 00:34:50,466
Speaker 4: talking to Tom and I kind of just said, you

707
00:34:50,506 --> 00:34:52,746
Speaker 4: know what, Tom, you need to talk to Mike. You

708
00:34:52,746 --> 00:34:56,066
Speaker 4: need to to spend some time with him. You know,

709
00:34:56,106 --> 00:35:00,146
Speaker 4: he's going through some he's been through some interesting moments

710
00:35:00,186 --> 00:35:03,226
Speaker 4: and times and and he's growing. And and I kind

711
00:35:03,226 --> 00:35:05,426
Speaker 4: of left it at that and put those guys in

712
00:35:05,506 --> 00:35:09,106
Speaker 4: touch so they could talk, and Mike opened up.

713
00:35:09,506 --> 00:35:11,706
Speaker 2: And and you look back.

714
00:35:11,586 --> 00:35:16,146
Speaker 4: At the Super Bowl when the Falcons played the Patriots.

715
00:35:17,266 --> 00:35:19,226
Speaker 4: You know, Tom was at USA Today at the time,

716
00:35:19,546 --> 00:35:22,906
Speaker 4: and and and that's when he put that article out

717
00:35:22,946 --> 00:35:25,706
Speaker 4: there where Mike talked about his problems. And I think

718
00:35:25,706 --> 00:35:30,226
Speaker 4: he became, you know, a real guy then and and

719
00:35:30,426 --> 00:35:33,386
Speaker 4: you know, human, and and a little bit more eyes

720
00:35:33,426 --> 00:35:35,706
Speaker 4: were on him. And then you know, the reality is

721
00:35:36,106 --> 00:35:39,026
Speaker 4: the talent is undeniable, and the amount of work and

722
00:35:39,066 --> 00:35:42,626
Speaker 4: the relentless nature is there. And I think, you know,

723
00:35:43,706 --> 00:35:46,266
Speaker 4: the one element of when you think about Mike, you

724
00:35:46,306 --> 00:35:47,706
Speaker 4: think about what do.

725
00:35:47,746 --> 00:35:48,426
Speaker 2: The players say?

726
00:35:49,186 --> 00:35:52,746
Speaker 4: And those players they're not being asked to say anything,

727
00:35:52,746 --> 00:35:55,586
Speaker 4: they want to say something because they build a special

728
00:35:55,626 --> 00:35:58,826
Speaker 4: closeness and appreciation for those who can help impact their career.

729
00:35:58,946 --> 00:36:01,866
Speaker 4: Between Kyle and Chris Furster and Mike and and all

730
00:36:01,906 --> 00:36:04,946
Speaker 4: these guys that just invest in the development of those players.

731
00:36:05,066 --> 00:36:07,066
Speaker 4: Those guys are singing his praises and you ask them

732
00:36:07,066 --> 00:36:09,706
Speaker 4: and it sounds different, and I think it's it was

733
00:36:09,746 --> 00:36:12,626
Speaker 4: really easy once a team actually decided.

734
00:36:12,426 --> 00:36:14,666
Speaker 2: You know what, we're really going to take a real

735
00:36:14,706 --> 00:36:15,106
Speaker 2: look here.

736
00:36:15,146 --> 00:36:18,026
Speaker 4: We're not worried about what some people say, or we're

737
00:36:18,066 --> 00:36:20,546
Speaker 4: not worried about that, Oh, you know, Mike can't hold

738
00:36:20,546 --> 00:36:21,266
Speaker 4: a room, can he?

739
00:36:21,666 --> 00:36:21,826
Speaker 2: Uh?

740
00:36:22,186 --> 00:36:24,986
Speaker 4: You know all these things that you're seeing that Mike's

741
00:36:24,986 --> 00:36:27,666
Speaker 4: special qualities and what people are you know, all the

742
00:36:27,746 --> 00:36:30,146
Speaker 4: rage about you know, those were the elements that were

743
00:36:30,186 --> 00:36:31,666
Speaker 4: people were afraid to pull.

744
00:36:31,506 --> 00:36:34,626
Speaker 1: This of course, you know, and eccentricity, if you will,

745
00:36:34,666 --> 00:36:38,146
Speaker 1: like sprinting from the steadycam guy on the Sunday night

746
00:36:38,186 --> 00:36:40,586
Speaker 1: for the most of Stark interview or with me last

747
00:36:40,626 --> 00:36:43,106
Speaker 1: year in Buffalo and we're having this like ridiculous interview

748
00:36:43,186 --> 00:36:45,946
Speaker 1: mid game and people are like, he's goofy. I'm like,

749
00:36:46,106 --> 00:36:49,706
Speaker 1: he's authentic. He is who he is. He's not trying

750
00:36:49,746 --> 00:36:52,746
Speaker 1: to impress anybody with like some like cliche or something

751
00:36:52,786 --> 00:36:55,906
Speaker 1: like Mike is funny as hell, but he's also smart

752
00:36:56,066 --> 00:36:58,306
Speaker 1: and he also is authentic. I think the players respect that.

753
00:36:58,666 --> 00:37:01,466
Speaker 4: Well, there's no doubt, and you know he was a

754
00:37:01,466 --> 00:37:04,306
Speaker 4: part of that that situation. I mean, you look at Tua,

755
00:37:04,746 --> 00:37:06,906
Speaker 4: and you look at what he's doing with Tua, and

756
00:37:06,946 --> 00:37:08,906
Speaker 4: then you ask yourself, and as long as you're honest

757
00:37:08,946 --> 00:37:11,106
Speaker 4: with yourself and you say, who wanted that job at the.

758
00:37:11,066 --> 00:37:12,946
Speaker 2: Time and who was ready to take on Tua?

759
00:37:13,746 --> 00:37:16,066
Speaker 4: Well, I mean it's widely documented that many people were

760
00:37:16,066 --> 00:37:18,266
Speaker 4: not ready to take on Tua. There were people who

761
00:37:18,306 --> 00:37:20,106
Speaker 4: wanted to bring in Tom Brady, there were people who

762
00:37:20,106 --> 00:37:23,826
Speaker 4: wanted to figure out other quarterbacks. Mike not only embraced

763
00:37:23,866 --> 00:37:26,826
Speaker 4: Tua but made it the centerpiece of his candidacy with

764
00:37:26,826 --> 00:37:30,306
Speaker 4: the Miami Dolphins and spent hours upon hours upon seeing

765
00:37:30,346 --> 00:37:34,426
Speaker 4: something that probably very few could see, found it knowing

766
00:37:34,506 --> 00:37:36,586
Speaker 4: not only the importance that he needs to sell this team,

767
00:37:37,106 --> 00:37:39,146
Speaker 4: but the importance of needing to sell Tua, that he

768
00:37:39,226 --> 00:37:43,106
Speaker 4: has someone who fully believes in him. And Mike just

769
00:37:43,146 --> 00:37:45,306
Speaker 4: knows the power of that. Why, Well, he's walked the

770
00:37:45,306 --> 00:37:48,306
Speaker 4: shoes of somebody that no one's ever believed in that

771
00:37:48,746 --> 00:37:50,786
Speaker 4: you know, that grew up with this vision for where

772
00:37:50,826 --> 00:37:54,666
Speaker 4: he wanted to go, and so much of Mike's career

773
00:37:54,986 --> 00:37:57,706
Speaker 4: has been preparing for it since he was, you know,

774
00:37:57,746 --> 00:38:01,346
Speaker 4: this kind of lonely kid raised by a single mom,

775
00:38:01,426 --> 00:38:04,546
Speaker 4: and you know, and then those experiences, whether it was

776
00:38:04,586 --> 00:38:07,106
Speaker 4: starting and building with Kyle and Houston and then having

777
00:38:07,186 --> 00:38:10,026
Speaker 4: it taken away, and then going back to Washington being

778
00:38:10,026 --> 00:38:13,506
Speaker 4: a part of this year in twenty twelve where all

779
00:38:13,506 --> 00:38:16,626
Speaker 4: these young, driven coaches, you know, at the beginning of

780
00:38:16,666 --> 00:38:20,026
Speaker 4: their careers were given the task of building a system

781
00:38:20,066 --> 00:38:21,946
Speaker 4: around the quarterback that.

782
00:38:22,026 --> 00:38:23,186
Speaker 2: They didn't know how to use.

783
00:38:23,506 --> 00:38:28,746
Speaker 4: And I think that Mike articulated it so amazingly when

784
00:38:29,106 --> 00:38:32,346
Speaker 4: we were preparing for his interview. That experience shaped them

785
00:38:32,346 --> 00:38:37,066
Speaker 4: all And it's really an extension of what's happening with

786
00:38:37,146 --> 00:38:39,306
Speaker 4: Tua is that they had been through, that they had

787
00:38:39,306 --> 00:38:42,386
Speaker 4: experienced it, they had come together in a really collaborative

788
00:38:42,386 --> 00:38:46,866
Speaker 4: way and shaped a system that allowed a player to

789
00:38:46,946 --> 00:38:50,266
Speaker 4: excel that other people weren't sure if he was fit

790
00:38:50,306 --> 00:38:52,186
Speaker 4: for the NFL. Well, Ta it is no different. And

791
00:38:52,426 --> 00:38:56,146
Speaker 4: Mike walked in and probably sat down with the Miami

792
00:38:56,186 --> 00:38:59,306
Speaker 4: Dolphins and you know, and told him that this was

793
00:38:59,346 --> 00:39:01,586
Speaker 4: a great investment. And then for them to see and

794
00:39:01,666 --> 00:39:07,066
Speaker 4: understand Mike, he's an innovator. You know. In this league today,

795
00:39:07,666 --> 00:39:11,306
Speaker 4: so many coaches pull up the big playrail and they

796
00:39:11,346 --> 00:39:14,906
Speaker 4: look at what's working. There's nothing wrong with that. I mean,

797
00:39:14,906 --> 00:39:17,626
Speaker 4: what invitation is the best form of flattery. But ultimately,

798
00:39:18,066 --> 00:39:20,906
Speaker 4: you know someone's creating, and there's other coaches that are

799
00:39:20,946 --> 00:39:24,906
Speaker 4: creating in this league. But there's no question that Mike

800
00:39:25,106 --> 00:39:29,906
Speaker 4: probably you know, was pretty confident in letting those that

801
00:39:30,106 --> 00:39:32,866
Speaker 4: organization know that he's going to bring innovation, he's going

802
00:39:32,946 --> 00:39:35,706
Speaker 4: to bring a culture, He's going to bring exactly what

803
00:39:35,786 --> 00:39:38,226
Speaker 4: they were looking for at the time. And it was

804
00:39:38,346 --> 00:39:42,986
Speaker 4: an amazing kind of one of those moments when you know,

805
00:39:43,306 --> 00:39:47,026
Speaker 4: I think in my career, you set these north stars

806
00:39:47,586 --> 00:39:49,266
Speaker 4: and things that you want to happen.

807
00:39:49,346 --> 00:39:51,986
Speaker 2: That's how you well, you love what you do.

808
00:39:52,266 --> 00:39:56,226
Speaker 4: And I actually didn't start by building a coaching agency

809
00:39:56,546 --> 00:40:01,266
Speaker 4: per se, because at the time, when you get into

810
00:40:01,266 --> 00:40:03,786
Speaker 4: this industry, one of the things that I noticed is

811
00:40:04,506 --> 00:40:07,546
Speaker 4: you would ask coaches about an agent, and most of

812
00:40:07,586 --> 00:40:09,666
Speaker 4: them really said the same things, Yeah, I have an agent.

813
00:40:10,866 --> 00:40:13,306
Speaker 2: I don't really talk to them that often. Oh no,

814
00:40:13,346 --> 00:40:15,626
Speaker 2: they didn't help me get this job, and I'm not

815
00:40:15,666 --> 00:40:16,666
Speaker 2: really sure why I pay them.

816
00:40:16,906 --> 00:40:18,866
Speaker 4: And so at the time I thought to myself, well,

817
00:40:18,906 --> 00:40:21,186
Speaker 4: that's one profession I'm going to stay away from I

818
00:40:21,186 --> 00:40:23,106
Speaker 4: don't think it has that much upside for my family,

819
00:40:23,626 --> 00:40:27,026
Speaker 4: And then was it was thinking about that and then

820
00:40:27,066 --> 00:40:31,106
Speaker 4: also having this great appreciation for living in the shoes

821
00:40:31,146 --> 00:40:34,746
Speaker 4: of a coach and commanding environments, and you know, just

822
00:40:34,866 --> 00:40:40,026
Speaker 4: realizing how much more opportunity that these coaches could provide

823
00:40:40,386 --> 00:40:43,226
Speaker 4: outside of just their day to day jobs. And you know,

824
00:40:43,426 --> 00:40:46,026
Speaker 4: Mike was such a big part of helping me build

825
00:40:46,466 --> 00:40:48,866
Speaker 4: some of the things that we did to build the agency,

826
00:40:48,706 --> 00:40:52,986
Speaker 4: the events outside to network with coaches, knowing that ten

827
00:40:53,066 --> 00:40:55,026
Speaker 4: teams would want to run that system in the next

828
00:40:55,026 --> 00:40:59,626
Speaker 4: five years, and so all the video and interviews and

829
00:40:59,706 --> 00:41:02,706
Speaker 4: things along the way, thinking.

830
00:41:02,746 --> 00:41:04,746
Speaker 2: Man, one day, this guy is going to get an opportunity.

831
00:41:05,146 --> 00:41:07,826
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's sell. You've got Mike as your first client,

832
00:41:07,866 --> 00:41:10,306
Speaker 1: and obviously he's your north star and it all but

833
00:41:10,506 --> 00:41:14,026
Speaker 1: for the listeners, just to name a few, you represent

834
00:41:14,746 --> 00:41:19,346
Speaker 1: Brandon Staley, You represent Robert Sala. You mentioned ever, Oh,

835
00:41:19,506 --> 00:41:24,826
Speaker 1: you've got a very deep client, right, So is there

836
00:41:24,826 --> 00:41:28,146
Speaker 1: a recruiting process of Hey, I'm identifying these talented guys

837
00:41:28,146 --> 00:41:30,866
Speaker 1: because you've been with Sala for a long time and

838
00:41:30,946 --> 00:41:34,226
Speaker 1: he was also a quality control guy in Houston.

839
00:41:34,826 --> 00:41:37,826
Speaker 4: You could argue Sala was also my first client. It

840
00:41:37,866 --> 00:41:41,026
Speaker 4: was kind of Mike and Sala and Dan Geo. I

841
00:41:41,146 --> 00:41:43,346
Speaker 4: left after those three years in Washington and went to

842
00:41:43,346 --> 00:41:47,946
Speaker 4: the San Francisco forty nine ers. And that's always when

843
00:41:47,946 --> 00:41:50,946
Speaker 4: you're able to look back on. You know, you go

844
00:41:51,066 --> 00:41:53,466
Speaker 4: somewhere and you think one of two things, I'm super

845
00:41:53,466 --> 00:41:56,226
Speaker 4: prepared or I'm buying the eight ball. And I got

846
00:41:56,266 --> 00:41:59,146
Speaker 4: there and thought to myself, I'm super prepared. I went

847
00:41:59,146 --> 00:42:01,346
Speaker 4: from being what was probably the worst guy on the

848
00:42:01,346 --> 00:42:04,066
Speaker 4: staff to like elite NFL knowledge in my own mind.

849
00:42:04,586 --> 00:42:08,106
Speaker 4: But also I experienced an offensive staff who really didn't

850
00:42:08,106 --> 00:42:11,586
Speaker 4: want to hear my perspective even though we were trying

851
00:42:11,626 --> 00:42:16,146
Speaker 4: to engineer plays for Colin Kaepernick. Watching Washington Redskins film

852
00:42:16,346 --> 00:42:17,906
Speaker 4: and it struck me that.

853
00:42:17,946 --> 00:42:20,146
Speaker 2: Chris Furster, this is what he was talking about.

854
00:42:20,826 --> 00:42:23,786
Speaker 4: And you know, you knew at the time then that like,

855
00:42:24,346 --> 00:42:26,986
Speaker 4: I need to stay connected to all those guys because

856
00:42:26,986 --> 00:42:30,946
Speaker 4: something's really special. And I realized kind of two things. One,

857
00:42:30,986 --> 00:42:32,586
Speaker 4: it was obvious what I was going to do is

858
00:42:32,626 --> 00:42:36,506
Speaker 4: build a coaching agency, but only build with rules that

859
00:42:36,546 --> 00:42:40,266
Speaker 4: focused on the spawn of the coaches that came out

860
00:42:40,306 --> 00:42:42,866
Speaker 4: of the Shanahan Tree. And then when I went to

861
00:42:42,946 --> 00:42:44,786
Speaker 4: the forty nine ers, I realized that that was a

862
00:42:44,786 --> 00:42:47,626
Speaker 4: little close minded, because there was a guy on the

863
00:42:47,626 --> 00:42:49,986
Speaker 4: defensive side of the ball that reminded me of a

864
00:42:49,986 --> 00:42:52,106
Speaker 4: guy who would have been a perfect fit at the

865
00:42:52,186 --> 00:42:57,066
Speaker 4: Washington Redskins in Vic Fangio. And you know, Vic and

866
00:42:57,066 --> 00:43:00,746
Speaker 4: I became close without really knowing each other. I think

867
00:43:01,186 --> 00:43:06,346
Speaker 4: there's this like unspoken relationship that says, well, the best

868
00:43:06,466 --> 00:43:10,106
Speaker 4: defensive mind knows what the best offensive coaches are doing

869
00:43:10,146 --> 00:43:10,746
Speaker 4: and who they are.

870
00:43:11,146 --> 00:43:14,466
Speaker 2: That's his job. And so there was a great appreciation, and.

871
00:43:14,426 --> 00:43:16,746
Speaker 4: I think he knew that I came from a place

872
00:43:16,826 --> 00:43:18,986
Speaker 4: that kind of had a pretty good sense of what

873
00:43:19,066 --> 00:43:22,586
Speaker 4: good offense was, and so we had a great relationship.

874
00:43:23,306 --> 00:43:25,946
Speaker 4: I think it was probably around that same time that

875
00:43:25,986 --> 00:43:28,746
Speaker 4: you started seeing, you know, articles being written left and

876
00:43:28,826 --> 00:43:31,506
Speaker 4: right about from Shawn and Matt and Kyle about how

877
00:43:31,546 --> 00:43:36,946
Speaker 4: defense you know, Vic Bangio's best defensive coach that ever lived,

878
00:43:37,106 --> 00:43:41,066
Speaker 4: and and ultimately I became really super close with him,

879
00:43:41,346 --> 00:43:45,626
Speaker 4: and you know, to just be really honest with yeah,

880
00:43:45,666 --> 00:43:48,226
Speaker 4: I mean, you're around him and all your thinking is

881
00:43:48,266 --> 00:43:50,506
Speaker 4: that this guy's a head coach, and you look at Stamford,

882
00:43:50,546 --> 00:43:52,546
Speaker 4: and you look at forty nine ers, and you look

883
00:43:52,586 --> 00:43:54,426
Speaker 4: at the Bears, and you look at the Broncos, and

884
00:43:54,466 --> 00:43:56,626
Speaker 4: you look at the experience, and there's this thing that

885
00:43:56,626 --> 00:43:58,906
Speaker 4: binds a lot of these people together is especially the

886
00:43:58,906 --> 00:44:01,986
Speaker 4: guys that we represent, it didn't happen for them overnight.

887
00:44:02,586 --> 00:44:05,906
Speaker 4: And I think that that gives you a perspective and

888
00:44:05,906 --> 00:44:10,386
Speaker 4: an appreciate And what I kept hearing from different general

889
00:44:10,426 --> 00:44:13,506
Speaker 4: managers throughout the league, he's just a defensive coordinator.

890
00:44:13,506 --> 00:44:15,506
Speaker 2: He's the best, but he's not a head coach in

891
00:44:15,506 --> 00:44:17,626
Speaker 2: my mind, Well, I mean, if you've got a defensive.

892
00:44:17,186 --> 00:44:19,426
Speaker 4: Coordinator who gets you to number one every single time,

893
00:44:19,706 --> 00:44:22,906
Speaker 4: every single season, essentially within two to three years, I mean,

894
00:44:22,946 --> 00:44:25,706
Speaker 4: that's a head coach. And so you know, Vic ended

895
00:44:25,786 --> 00:44:29,106
Speaker 4: up making a transition and became one of my first

896
00:44:29,106 --> 00:44:32,946
Speaker 4: clients and I learned a lot from him, and really,

897
00:44:32,986 --> 00:44:35,106
Speaker 4: you know, he was the first guy became a head coach,

898
00:44:35,146 --> 00:44:38,746
Speaker 4: and it was super rewarding because you kind of, you know,

899
00:44:39,346 --> 00:44:41,786
Speaker 4: just like any other coach, you need someone to believe

900
00:44:41,786 --> 00:44:44,786
Speaker 4: in you. Yeah, you know, you just need someone to

901
00:44:44,826 --> 00:44:48,306
Speaker 4: believe in you. And then it's that two way street

902
00:44:48,586 --> 00:44:51,786
Speaker 4: working together with a commitment once you just see it

903
00:44:51,946 --> 00:44:54,466
Speaker 4: as long as it it means as much to both

904
00:44:54,466 --> 00:44:56,666
Speaker 4: of you. You know, it's super cool to watch Vic

905
00:44:56,986 --> 00:44:57,986
Speaker 4: get that opportunity.

906
00:44:58,146 --> 00:45:00,506
Speaker 1: But you know, all right, so you got Vic as

907
00:45:00,506 --> 00:45:03,186
Speaker 1: your veteran guy, You've got Mike McDaniel as as your

908
00:45:03,266 --> 00:45:05,226
Speaker 1: junior guy, if you will. But one of the things

909
00:45:05,266 --> 00:45:07,386
Speaker 1: I love that you put together that always comes out

910
00:45:07,386 --> 00:45:10,546
Speaker 1: online in the offseason. You'll put all these guys together

911
00:45:10,666 --> 00:45:13,026
Speaker 1: and they're coaching what high school and college kids and

912
00:45:13,066 --> 00:45:16,026
Speaker 1: there's these like seminars and I'm watching in action Mike

913
00:45:16,106 --> 00:45:17,866
Speaker 1: McDaniel coach because you guys are filming it and the

914
00:45:17,906 --> 00:45:20,706
Speaker 1: QB Collective stuff. If you can't find this online, guys,

915
00:45:20,746 --> 00:45:24,586
Speaker 1: go look it up Mike McDaniel coaching or Sean McVay coaching.

916
00:45:24,826 --> 00:45:26,986
Speaker 1: You'll inter And I remember Hackett this summer was like,

917
00:45:27,266 --> 00:45:28,906
Speaker 1: got to go out to Vegas. I'm doing this thing

918
00:45:28,946 --> 00:45:32,466
Speaker 1: for Richmond. The Quarterback Collective, Like what is it? And

919
00:45:33,306 --> 00:45:35,146
Speaker 1: where was the genesis of that? Where you get all

920
00:45:35,146 --> 00:45:37,826
Speaker 1: these coaches together and then you film them actually coaching,

921
00:45:37,826 --> 00:45:40,506
Speaker 1: which ultimately leads to great content because we don't see

922
00:45:40,546 --> 00:45:41,786
Speaker 1: that on a day to day basis.

923
00:45:42,226 --> 00:45:44,386
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that came as a result of my

924
00:45:44,466 --> 00:45:47,426
Speaker 4: experience as a player, and then combined with the experiences

925
00:45:47,426 --> 00:45:50,466
Speaker 4: in Washington Man. After those three years, all you could

926
00:45:50,506 --> 00:45:53,546
Speaker 4: think of was, God, I wish I had this stuff

927
00:45:53,546 --> 00:45:54,826
Speaker 4: as a player when I was a kid.

928
00:45:54,986 --> 00:45:55,906
Speaker 2: I wanted it so badly.

929
00:45:55,906 --> 00:45:57,306
Speaker 4: I didn't know where to find it, and I didn't

930
00:45:57,306 --> 00:45:59,986
Speaker 4: know it exists because it didn't. And you knew whatever

931
00:46:00,026 --> 00:46:02,066
Speaker 4: you learned and the way that you saw the world

932
00:46:02,186 --> 00:46:03,946
Speaker 4: at that point in life. It was too late for

933
00:46:03,986 --> 00:46:05,866
Speaker 4: me as a player, but it wasn't too late to

934
00:46:05,866 --> 00:46:09,546
Speaker 4: figure out, how, you know, to realize that this would

935
00:46:09,546 --> 00:46:11,746
Speaker 4: have changed my life, would have given me an opportunity

936
00:46:11,786 --> 00:46:14,426
Speaker 4: to have been half as talented and played twice as

937
00:46:14,466 --> 00:46:18,586
Speaker 4: long by having this access to this knowledge. And so I,

938
00:46:18,666 --> 00:46:20,706
Speaker 4: like I mentioned, it was a one of a kind experience.

939
00:46:20,746 --> 00:46:22,666
Speaker 4: I wanted to give that to someone else, and that

940
00:46:22,706 --> 00:46:26,506
Speaker 4: you knew that you needed to. If Chris Burster said

941
00:46:26,506 --> 00:46:29,426
Speaker 4: that no other staffs like this, and then you believed

942
00:46:29,466 --> 00:46:31,786
Speaker 4: that you were going to build out of the lineage

943
00:46:32,266 --> 00:46:35,666
Speaker 4: that would grow in the future. You also then at

944
00:46:35,666 --> 00:46:39,066
Speaker 4: that point know that, huh wait, a second Senior Bowl.

945
00:46:39,106 --> 00:46:42,426
Speaker 2: Combine that's two events, and if you don't go to those,

946
00:46:42,546 --> 00:46:43,386
Speaker 2: you're out of luck.

947
00:46:43,426 --> 00:46:45,306
Speaker 4: And if you do go to them, if you're lucky

948
00:46:45,386 --> 00:46:47,546
Speaker 4: enough to grab a beer next to someone, that'll be

949
00:46:47,586 --> 00:46:48,946
Speaker 4: the catalyst for the rest of your career.

950
00:46:48,986 --> 00:46:50,386
Speaker 2: Could that could be the reason you get hired.

951
00:46:50,426 --> 00:46:53,146
Speaker 4: So it wasn't very hard to get people hired, and

952
00:46:53,466 --> 00:46:55,826
Speaker 4: you needed an event where you could bring people together

953
00:46:55,946 --> 00:46:59,826
Speaker 4: that was had the context of what we experienced in Washington,

954
00:47:00,306 --> 00:47:02,666
Speaker 4: because you knew that was really powerful, so even if

955
00:47:02,706 --> 00:47:06,026
Speaker 4: you could get a taste of it, it could impact.

956
00:47:06,546 --> 00:47:09,346
Speaker 2: And so what we did is really just started building.

957
00:47:09,786 --> 00:47:12,906
Speaker 4: Brought in the top quarterbacks in the country, brought back

958
00:47:13,026 --> 00:47:16,146
Speaker 4: you know as a favor, Sean, Kyle Matt, We had

959
00:47:16,386 --> 00:47:18,026
Speaker 4: Kevin O'Connell's there the first year.

960
00:47:19,066 --> 00:47:20,746
Speaker 2: You know, a great group.

961
00:47:20,546 --> 00:47:24,346
Speaker 4: Of people, and then you know that these parents and

962
00:47:24,386 --> 00:47:26,626
Speaker 4: these coaches, these are the market experts. They've been taking

963
00:47:26,626 --> 00:47:28,266
Speaker 4: their kid all over the world to go see all

964
00:47:28,306 --> 00:47:31,586
Speaker 4: these events. They just needed to see this product. And

965
00:47:31,666 --> 00:47:35,546
Speaker 4: coaches were not impacting in that space. Private coaches were,

966
00:47:35,666 --> 00:47:40,906
Speaker 4: and people with social media were essentially exploiting parents and players.

967
00:47:41,386 --> 00:47:44,986
Speaker 4: And so in my mind, this was how you could

968
00:47:45,266 --> 00:47:48,546
Speaker 4: look at agency differently. Insert these coaches at the top

969
00:47:48,586 --> 00:47:51,666
Speaker 4: of the food chain and allow them to then insert

970
00:47:51,746 --> 00:47:54,066
Speaker 4: leadership into a space that really had none.

971
00:47:54,266 --> 00:47:55,026
Speaker 2: That was the hunch.

972
00:47:55,266 --> 00:47:57,346
Speaker 4: The only way you find out if you're onto something

973
00:47:57,466 --> 00:48:01,506
Speaker 4: is that you get those guys there, let him, let

974
00:48:01,586 --> 00:48:04,546
Speaker 4: them run the event, and then watch and these parents

975
00:48:04,546 --> 00:48:06,746
Speaker 4: and these coaches and everybody. It was almost like the

976
00:48:06,826 --> 00:48:09,266
Speaker 4: parents have found the founta of youth and they were

977
00:48:09,546 --> 00:48:11,226
Speaker 4: so excited and they.

978
00:48:11,106 --> 00:48:12,106
Speaker 2: Were hanging on every word.

979
00:48:12,106 --> 00:48:15,066
Speaker 4: We focused on the classroom versus the field because that

980
00:48:15,226 --> 00:48:18,026
Speaker 4: was something that you really couldn't get and see, and

981
00:48:18,266 --> 00:48:20,906
Speaker 4: it was just this amazing experience that kind of confirmed

982
00:48:21,346 --> 00:48:25,826
Speaker 4: that to a certain degree. Picking up on what Verster said,

983
00:48:25,866 --> 00:48:27,626
Speaker 4: if this was so rare, then we needed to build

984
00:48:27,666 --> 00:48:30,106
Speaker 4: the VIP room of coaching. We didn't need to tell

985
00:48:30,146 --> 00:48:32,346
Speaker 4: people that. We said it's the QB Collective, but it's

986
00:48:32,346 --> 00:48:37,586
Speaker 4: a development pipeline for coaches and quarterbacks to identify develop

987
00:48:37,706 --> 00:48:41,266
Speaker 4: represent led by the brightest minds in the NFL.

988
00:48:41,466 --> 00:48:44,106
Speaker 1: It's cool. It's like the Avengers. You watch these videos

989
00:48:44,146 --> 00:48:45,706
Speaker 1: and I hope we have the right I mean, Aaron,

990
00:48:45,746 --> 00:48:48,866
Speaker 1: can I toss to a some sound of McDaniel from

991
00:48:48,906 --> 00:48:51,586
Speaker 1: this we' got the approval right there. Richmond there we go, yeah,

992
00:48:51,706 --> 00:48:53,866
Speaker 1: and we'll play it. But like you hear mcdannil's talking

993
00:48:53,906 --> 00:48:55,706
Speaker 1: to high school kids, but he's really talking to the world.

994
00:48:55,746 --> 00:48:58,186
Speaker 1: Because this is a rare opportunity, and you guys smartly

995
00:48:58,226 --> 00:49:01,146
Speaker 1: turn the cameras on and we get an opportunity to

996
00:49:01,186 --> 00:49:03,626
Speaker 1: listen how these guys actually coach, not just their press conferences.

997
00:49:03,866 --> 00:49:07,346
Speaker 1: We show and then right when you get to the

998
00:49:07,466 --> 00:49:08,866
Speaker 1: to the Mesh Foyd.

999
00:49:11,066 --> 00:49:12,906
Speaker 2: Google Tom Brady play action, you'll.

1000
00:49:12,826 --> 00:49:15,346
Speaker 3: See aggressive snaps that Ryan was awesome.

1001
00:49:17,866 --> 00:49:22,626
Speaker 1: So three s'soo all right, so we hear McDaniel there,

1002
00:49:22,666 --> 00:49:24,746
Speaker 1: Well we hear McDaniel there, like, that's what it's like

1003
00:49:24,786 --> 00:49:25,826
Speaker 1: being in the quarterbacks room.

1004
00:49:26,466 --> 00:49:30,706
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh man, I mean, and then you know, getting

1005
00:49:31,546 --> 00:49:34,106
Speaker 4: all those guys. And the truth is, when we first started,

1006
00:49:34,106 --> 00:49:35,586
Speaker 4: I didn't know exactly why.

1007
00:49:36,666 --> 00:49:37,106
Speaker 2: I knew.

1008
00:49:37,306 --> 00:49:41,346
Speaker 4: I truly did know. You did know that these guys

1009
00:49:41,346 --> 00:49:45,106
Speaker 4: were all going somewhere. You knew that this system would

1010
00:49:45,186 --> 00:49:48,426
Speaker 4: catch fire. You also knew that it would grow so

1011
00:49:48,586 --> 00:49:52,066
Speaker 4: fast that the traditional way of building a coaching staff

1012
00:49:52,586 --> 00:49:54,706
Speaker 4: was out the door because it was going to grow

1013
00:49:54,746 --> 00:49:57,266
Speaker 4: so quickly that people were not going to hire people

1014
00:49:57,306 --> 00:50:00,906
Speaker 4: they had actually worked with before, and so could this

1015
00:50:01,106 --> 00:50:04,706
Speaker 4: event replace having worked with someone on a staff by

1016
00:50:04,746 --> 00:50:07,426
Speaker 4: spending three days with them in the right kind. Absolutely,

1017
00:50:08,066 --> 00:50:10,906
Speaker 4: and so you know, to a certain degree, you know

1018
00:50:10,986 --> 00:50:14,826
Speaker 4: you're you put this forward knowing that let's capture it all.

1019
00:50:15,226 --> 00:50:17,106
Speaker 4: In my mind, there was like maybe one day this

1020
00:50:17,146 --> 00:50:19,306
Speaker 4: will turn into kind of the last dance the yeah,

1021
00:50:20,146 --> 00:50:22,586
Speaker 4: you know, as the as the whole entire league goes

1022
00:50:22,586 --> 00:50:26,186
Speaker 4: through this like transformation, at a bare minimum, will be.

1023
00:50:26,186 --> 00:50:28,746
Speaker 1: A footage of something yeah. Yeah.

1024
00:50:28,786 --> 00:50:30,546
Speaker 4: And then then you would go back and you would

1025
00:50:30,586 --> 00:50:33,626
Speaker 4: look at this stuff and you would see Sean you know,

1026
00:50:33,826 --> 00:50:36,426
Speaker 4: spitting fire to young kids that happened to have Caleb

1027
00:50:36,466 --> 00:50:39,706
Speaker 4: Williams and Bryce Young and dj Angalele and Tanner McKee

1028
00:50:39,746 --> 00:50:43,386
Speaker 4: and Matt corral Uh and and all these guys Year

1029
00:50:43,466 --> 00:50:48,466
Speaker 4: one in twenty sixteen. Because that event was focused on development,

1030
00:50:48,626 --> 00:50:52,866
Speaker 4: not trying to capture marketing opportunities as they enter college.

1031
00:50:52,906 --> 00:50:54,386
Speaker 2: It was truly about development.

1032
00:50:54,626 --> 00:50:57,906
Speaker 4: It was a truly authentic environment, and these coaches only

1033
00:50:57,946 --> 00:51:00,786
Speaker 4: knew one way all in and so over time when

1034
00:51:00,786 --> 00:51:03,346
Speaker 4: you would look at that content, you know, you didn't

1035
00:51:03,386 --> 00:51:06,746
Speaker 4: realize that you were building equity by listening to coaches,

1036
00:51:07,546 --> 00:51:09,826
Speaker 4: but at the same time you were starting to see.

1037
00:51:09,626 --> 00:51:11,066
Speaker 2: Like, God, this guy is so good.

1038
00:51:11,586 --> 00:51:14,066
Speaker 4: And when you're watching these guys back to back to back,

1039
00:51:14,386 --> 00:51:15,986
Speaker 4: you know, you just kind of take a mental note

1040
00:51:16,026 --> 00:51:20,386
Speaker 4: and build a library of you know, the immense talents

1041
00:51:20,426 --> 00:51:21,746
Speaker 4: of some of the best teachers.

1042
00:51:21,946 --> 00:51:23,746
Speaker 1: If I'm a parent of a high school kid who

1043
00:51:23,746 --> 00:51:25,226
Speaker 1: I think has a shot, like, is it one of

1044
00:51:25,226 --> 00:51:26,866
Speaker 1: those deals where I can sign him up and he

1045
00:51:26,866 --> 00:51:28,546
Speaker 1: could be a part of the Quarterback Collective or is

1046
00:51:28,586 --> 00:51:31,066
Speaker 1: it you guys send invitations.

1047
00:51:30,906 --> 00:51:34,706
Speaker 4: It's invitation only, you know, I think long term, I

1048
00:51:34,746 --> 00:51:38,146
Speaker 4: always viewed the QB Collective as the central nervous system

1049
00:51:38,146 --> 00:51:40,906
Speaker 4: of intelligence and the sport of football to grow into

1050
00:51:40,946 --> 00:51:43,066
Speaker 4: the future, and so that would be.

1051
00:51:42,986 --> 00:51:44,706
Speaker 2: Something and we've toyed with it.

1052
00:51:44,746 --> 00:51:46,906
Speaker 4: I think two years ago we ran forty six camps

1053
00:51:47,186 --> 00:51:48,866
Speaker 4: and they were all sold out, and that was sort

1054
00:51:48,906 --> 00:51:51,186
Speaker 4: of available to everyone. But I felt like it was

1055
00:51:51,186 --> 00:51:53,626
Speaker 4: diluting the brand, and we needed to focus on this

1056
00:51:53,826 --> 00:51:58,186
Speaker 4: high end invitation only a network of private coaches that

1057
00:51:58,226 --> 00:52:00,346
Speaker 4: could kind of allow us to bring the best of

1058
00:52:00,426 --> 00:52:03,506
Speaker 4: the best into an environment and then even make it

1059
00:52:03,546 --> 00:52:07,706
Speaker 4: smaller and bring the future and really tutor and train

1060
00:52:07,786 --> 00:52:11,626
Speaker 4: and develop and give these guys a perspective that shows

1061
00:52:11,666 --> 00:52:16,426
Speaker 4: you very quickly that the value proposition is unlike anything

1062
00:52:16,466 --> 00:52:19,386
Speaker 4: that they've ever experienced in that space, because it truly

1063
00:52:19,426 --> 00:52:22,026
Speaker 4: would change their lives. When you get an opportunity to

1064
00:52:22,106 --> 00:52:24,426
Speaker 4: work with you know, you're sitting there in high school

1065
00:52:24,426 --> 00:52:26,746
Speaker 4: and it's Ben Johnson and then at Jiro is giving

1066
00:52:26,786 --> 00:52:30,026
Speaker 4: you the perspective of the defensive coach, and Mike McDaniel

1067
00:52:30,106 --> 00:52:34,226
Speaker 4: and Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVay, and they're not just there,

1068
00:52:34,386 --> 00:52:35,746
Speaker 4: they're investing in coaching.

1069
00:52:36,106 --> 00:52:36,826
Speaker 2: They're coaching.

1070
00:52:37,146 --> 00:52:39,506
Speaker 1: My last question as we wrap this up, I used

1071
00:52:39,506 --> 00:52:41,586
Speaker 1: to get sent to the Senior Bowl for Foxsports dot

1072
00:52:41,626 --> 00:52:44,386
Speaker 1: Com when I was a writer, and I'd say early

1073
00:52:44,426 --> 00:52:46,906
Speaker 1: two thousands, and I have told the story in the

1074
00:52:46,906 --> 00:52:49,186
Speaker 1: podcast before. I knew I was never going to be

1075
00:52:49,266 --> 00:52:51,146
Speaker 1: John Fox's guy. I knew I was never going to

1076
00:52:51,146 --> 00:52:53,146
Speaker 1: be Rex Ryan's guy. I knew I was never going

1077
00:52:53,226 --> 00:52:54,786
Speaker 1: to be Sean Payton's guy. Those guys were of a

1078
00:52:54,826 --> 00:52:57,866
Speaker 1: different generation. But I saw young coaches that's in and who

1079
00:52:57,866 --> 00:53:02,066
Speaker 1: they were. So I would look at the staff of

1080
00:53:02,106 --> 00:53:04,186
Speaker 1: each team and try to find the youngest coaches and

1081
00:53:04,186 --> 00:53:06,226
Speaker 1: one of those guys was Sean McVay. Who was a

1082
00:53:06,266 --> 00:53:09,506
Speaker 1: twenty seven year old tight ends coach with Washington, and

1083
00:53:09,826 --> 00:53:13,306
Speaker 1: I emailed him literally like Sean dot McVeigh at Redskins

1084
00:53:13,346 --> 00:53:15,986
Speaker 1: dot com and was like, Hey, I'm thirty or twenty seven,

1085
00:53:16,066 --> 00:53:17,946
Speaker 1: let's get a beer. I'm gonna be in Mobile. He's like, yeah, sure,

1086
00:53:18,026 --> 00:53:22,106
Speaker 1: let's do it. How just stress how important that Mobile

1087
00:53:22,146 --> 00:53:23,866
Speaker 1: Alabama Senior Bowl thing is if you want to be

1088
00:53:23,866 --> 00:53:25,226
Speaker 1: a coach or if you want to be immediate, if

1089
00:53:25,266 --> 00:53:26,866
Speaker 1: you want, that's where you go. You don't go to

1090
00:53:26,906 --> 00:53:28,386
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl to meet people. You go to the

1091
00:53:28,426 --> 00:53:29,066
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl.

1092
00:53:29,306 --> 00:53:30,226
Speaker 2: There's no question.

1093
00:53:30,346 --> 00:53:33,466
Speaker 4: I mean that can be a pretty depressing environment as well,

1094
00:53:33,506 --> 00:53:36,306
Speaker 4: a bunch of coaches walking around with their cell phones

1095
00:53:36,346 --> 00:53:37,266
Speaker 4: and resumes.

1096
00:53:37,306 --> 00:53:41,066
Speaker 2: But coach Shanahan and Kyle the way that they.

1097
00:53:40,986 --> 00:53:43,866
Speaker 4: Picked that staff, and that's where I look back and

1098
00:53:43,906 --> 00:53:46,186
Speaker 4: it's kind of like, gosh, it don't talk about it

1099
00:53:46,306 --> 00:53:50,986
Speaker 4: enough for Mike Shanahan to allow, you know, a bunch

1100
00:53:51,026 --> 00:53:53,546
Speaker 4: of young guys and twenty something to come together like

1101
00:53:53,586 --> 00:53:55,746
Speaker 4: that that they knew what he knew what he was

1102
00:53:55,786 --> 00:53:56,266
Speaker 4: looking for.

1103
00:53:56,426 --> 00:53:59,186
Speaker 2: And I met Sean down there and the Yeah.

1104
00:53:58,946 --> 00:54:01,546
Speaker 4: The Senior Bowl is an amazing place, opportunity to meet

1105
00:54:01,586 --> 00:54:04,266
Speaker 4: a bunch of people. But whenever you mentioned just Sean,

1106
00:54:04,306 --> 00:54:07,066
Speaker 4: I mean, like the that's not a who figured it

1107
00:54:07,066 --> 00:54:09,826
Speaker 4: out later in life. That's a guy who also knew

1108
00:54:09,826 --> 00:54:11,666
Speaker 4: exactly what he wanted to do, how he wanted to

1109
00:54:11,706 --> 00:54:13,706
Speaker 4: go about it, was preparing for it since he was

1110
00:54:14,066 --> 00:54:17,226
Speaker 4: in probably fourth grade. Went to the Miami of Ohio

1111
00:54:17,266 --> 00:54:19,746
Speaker 4: because it's the cradle of creda. Yeah, he helped me

1112
00:54:19,866 --> 00:54:22,906
Speaker 4: so much going in there realizing how little I knew.

1113
00:54:23,186 --> 00:54:25,426
Speaker 4: I mean he literally started from scratch, did for me

1114
00:54:25,546 --> 00:54:27,946
Speaker 4: probably what John Gruden did for him. He was training

1115
00:54:27,986 --> 00:54:31,066
Speaker 4: me to draw x's and o's and the importance of

1116
00:54:31,106 --> 00:54:35,106
Speaker 4: the detail. And and you know, again it doesn't take

1117
00:54:35,226 --> 00:54:40,506
Speaker 4: very long when you're around all those people that it

1118
00:54:40,666 --> 00:54:43,746
Speaker 4: just took these amazing individuals and then put them on

1119
00:54:44,106 --> 00:54:49,226
Speaker 4: an accelerator that was looking at football differently and looking

1120
00:54:49,306 --> 00:54:52,386
Speaker 4: at more because when you're building, you know, you've heard

1121
00:54:52,466 --> 00:54:55,506
Speaker 4: the adage in football and coaching like.

1122
00:54:55,986 --> 00:54:57,426
Speaker 2: We're not really worried about what they're doing.

1123
00:54:57,466 --> 00:55:00,186
Speaker 4: We got answers for it, you know, And and that

1124
00:55:00,426 --> 00:55:02,986
Speaker 4: was not this this was open minds.

1125
00:55:04,746 --> 00:55:05,186
Speaker 2: Figure it out.

1126
00:55:05,386 --> 00:55:06,986
Speaker 4: We're going to we're going to figure out we're gonna

1127
00:55:06,986 --> 00:55:09,106
Speaker 4: build based on what's being presented, and we don't know

1128
00:55:09,146 --> 00:55:11,786
Speaker 4: what's gonna happen, and then what happens forces you to

1129
00:55:11,826 --> 00:55:13,626
Speaker 4: think in a way that you didn't and so really

1130
00:55:13,666 --> 00:55:14,586
Speaker 4: you're seeing more.

1131
00:55:14,946 --> 00:55:17,186
Speaker 2: And I think that really that's sort of a good.

1132
00:55:17,066 --> 00:55:19,586
Speaker 4: Way of packaging up and saying, you know, how did

1133
00:55:19,626 --> 00:55:22,226
Speaker 4: all these guys from the same staff have so much

1134
00:55:22,226 --> 00:55:26,426
Speaker 4: success so fast? Well, those experiences and then coming together

1135
00:55:27,186 --> 00:55:29,066
Speaker 4: and challenging one another.

1136
00:55:28,786 --> 00:55:31,466
Speaker 2: To build and create and one up the other guy.

1137
00:55:31,826 --> 00:55:34,706
Speaker 4: I think they were looking at things more deliberately, you know,

1138
00:55:34,946 --> 00:55:37,586
Speaker 4: ten X, learning on a day to day basis, and

1139
00:55:37,626 --> 00:55:39,986
Speaker 4: then over time, when you get your opportunity, you do

1140
00:55:40,346 --> 00:55:42,626
Speaker 4: go to that next spot and you go, damn, I'm

1141
00:55:42,666 --> 00:55:47,066
Speaker 4: super prepared. Sean was an amazing example of that. And

1142
00:55:46,746 --> 00:55:49,226
Speaker 4: uh and it's always been pretty amazing the way that

1143
00:55:49,266 --> 00:55:51,946
Speaker 4: he's support didn't come on out to our to our events,

1144
00:55:51,986 --> 00:55:54,426
Speaker 4: and you know, he'll probably be sitting in your chair

1145
00:55:54,546 --> 00:55:57,226
Speaker 4: one day, so he's probably learning from you.

1146
00:55:57,306 --> 00:56:00,026
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe I know that that almost happened a little

1147
00:56:00,066 --> 00:56:03,666
Speaker 1: earlier than expected. Richmond Flowers the third we didn't get

1148
00:56:03,666 --> 00:56:07,106
Speaker 1: into your family's history of football. Incredible. You're a good man,

1149
00:56:07,146 --> 00:56:09,186
Speaker 1: You're a busy man. I appreciate taking the time and

1150
00:56:09,666 --> 00:56:12,826
Speaker 1: specifically giving us a little window into the beautiful mind.

1151
00:56:12,826 --> 00:56:17,266
Speaker 1: That's Mike McDaniel absolutely in closing. This is not a brand,

1152
00:56:17,866 --> 00:56:20,626
Speaker 1: like you must ask. I'm asking because I think there's

1153
00:56:20,626 --> 00:56:23,106
Speaker 1: actually a cool story behind it. I see. You know,

1154
00:56:23,146 --> 00:56:24,626
Speaker 1: if you're watching the video here, you're wearing a shirt

1155
00:56:24,666 --> 00:56:27,826
Speaker 1: that says your Bay plant based energy, and I'm like,

1156
00:56:28,306 --> 00:56:29,986
Speaker 1: half of me's like, all right, just let it go.

1157
00:56:30,026 --> 00:56:32,906
Speaker 1: Half of me he's like, why is Richmond wearing a

1158
00:56:32,946 --> 00:56:35,026
Speaker 1: shirt with a brand? And then you start talking to

1159
00:56:35,066 --> 00:56:37,066
Speaker 1: you about it, and there's like there's a cool story

1160
00:56:37,066 --> 00:56:38,346
Speaker 1: to be told, all right, So this is not a

1161
00:56:38,346 --> 00:56:41,706
Speaker 1: brand product placement, but it kind of is explain why

1162
00:56:41,746 --> 00:56:44,346
Speaker 1: you're wearing a shirt called your Bay and then let

1163
00:56:44,346 --> 00:56:47,106
Speaker 1: the listener decide whether this is a roll your eyes

1164
00:56:47,226 --> 00:56:47,906
Speaker 1: or this is okay.

1165
00:56:47,946 --> 00:56:50,746
Speaker 2: That's interesting, well interestingly enough.

1166
00:56:50,826 --> 00:56:53,906
Speaker 4: You know, first of all, a lady named Didegar who's

1167
00:56:54,266 --> 00:56:56,266
Speaker 4: the head of sports and Entertainment at Goldman Sacks. She's

1168
00:56:56,306 --> 00:57:00,146
Speaker 4: been there for thirty nine years. We're super close. She's

1169
00:57:00,426 --> 00:57:03,586
Speaker 4: like immensely respected in the industry. She came out to

1170
00:57:03,586 --> 00:57:05,066
Speaker 4: one of our events and it was the right event.

1171
00:57:05,186 --> 00:57:07,746
Speaker 4: It was Mike McDaniel's and fire with Chris Furster and

1172
00:57:07,786 --> 00:57:10,426
Speaker 4: Frank Smith next to him, and Brandon Staley in the background,

1173
00:57:10,426 --> 00:57:13,786
Speaker 4: and Questiadolpho Mensa sitting on the fringe with Mike Silver

1174
00:57:13,906 --> 00:57:18,946
Speaker 4: and Jordan Rodrick and Nikki Jababala and all these creator

1175
00:57:19,026 --> 00:57:22,266
Speaker 4: reporters and some of the young future of coaching, letting

1176
00:57:22,306 --> 00:57:26,386
Speaker 4: Mike McDaniel hold court. And she saw that and it

1177
00:57:26,466 --> 00:57:31,026
Speaker 4: was super impressive. Fast forward two years and we'd built

1178
00:57:31,026 --> 00:57:33,706
Speaker 4: a great relationship. She called me up and said, hey, look,

1179
00:57:33,826 --> 00:57:35,746
Speaker 4: you were looking for a sponsor for your event, and

1180
00:57:35,786 --> 00:57:37,666
Speaker 4: she introduced me to the founders of a company called

1181
00:57:37,746 --> 00:57:41,026
Speaker 4: your Bank. Said it was an energy drink. Didn't think

1182
00:57:41,106 --> 00:57:42,546
Speaker 4: much of it. She put me in touch with them,

1183
00:57:42,826 --> 00:57:45,866
Speaker 4: and it was very clear that they were already engaged

1184
00:57:45,946 --> 00:57:50,986
Speaker 4: on the value of coaching. And so now that's what

1185
00:57:51,026 --> 00:57:54,986
Speaker 4: Collective represents is the innovative, brightest minds coming together.

1186
00:57:55,106 --> 00:57:56,466
Speaker 2: I'm the doorman so that.

1187
00:57:56,466 --> 00:57:58,266
Speaker 4: We can help the coach does not have them pick me,

1188
00:57:59,146 --> 00:58:01,186
Speaker 4: and then it's like have them in there, and then

1189
00:58:02,026 --> 00:58:03,306
Speaker 4: what's the best use for that?

1190
00:58:03,946 --> 00:58:06,306
Speaker 2: And in my mind when we got started, it was.

1191
00:58:07,946 --> 00:58:12,586
Speaker 4: Emerging technology brands using virtual coaching, and they're the new

1192
00:58:12,626 --> 00:58:15,786
Speaker 4: influencers in the NFL. So we looked at this as

1193
00:58:15,786 --> 00:58:17,946
Speaker 4: an incubator, and I was always sort of looking for.

1194
00:58:17,906 --> 00:58:20,626
Speaker 2: The right product fit, because it's got to be right.

1195
00:58:20,786 --> 00:58:23,986
Speaker 4: You looked at the product fit healthy energy, plant based energy,

1196
00:58:24,746 --> 00:58:27,786
Speaker 4: you know, the crap that's in those other energy drinks,

1197
00:58:28,146 --> 00:58:31,386
Speaker 4: and more importantly, then you thought to yourself, hold on,

1198
00:58:31,426 --> 00:58:31,986
Speaker 4: this could work.

1199
00:58:32,026 --> 00:58:32,986
Speaker 2: Coaches are always going.

1200
00:58:32,986 --> 00:58:36,226
Speaker 4: To be low and they're always going to be feel

1201
00:58:36,266 --> 00:58:39,106
Speaker 4: fine with having an energy drink that's healthy for you

1202
00:58:39,186 --> 00:58:41,586
Speaker 4: and it's plant based, et cetera. And so for us,

1203
00:58:41,626 --> 00:58:44,386
Speaker 4: what this really was about was let's see if we

1204
00:58:44,426 --> 00:58:47,706
Speaker 4: could partner up with a company like this that said

1205
00:58:47,706 --> 00:58:50,346
Speaker 4: we don't do sponsorships, and so wow, that was the

1206
00:58:50,386 --> 00:58:50,866
Speaker 4: real test.

1207
00:58:50,946 --> 00:58:52,466
Speaker 2: Would coaches invest.

1208
00:58:52,106 --> 00:58:54,546
Speaker 4: In a product because they really believed in it, because

1209
00:58:54,546 --> 00:58:58,506
Speaker 4: they saw the product fit. And coaches will have a

1210
00:58:58,546 --> 00:59:02,426
Speaker 4: certain appreciation for getting that opportunity because they don't do

1211
00:59:02,506 --> 00:59:06,026
Speaker 4: sponsorship deals. They don't think they're worth you know, they're

1212
00:59:06,066 --> 00:59:09,906
Speaker 4: not thinking about anything besides we believe and we like

1213
00:59:09,946 --> 00:59:12,666
Speaker 4: the way it tastes. And the truth is, you went

1214
00:59:12,706 --> 00:59:15,946
Speaker 4: and introduced yourself, you know, I introduced them to Lincoln

1215
00:59:16,026 --> 00:59:19,186
Speaker 4: Riley and Kyle Shanahan and and uh and and this

1216
00:59:19,266 --> 00:59:22,186
Speaker 4: amazing group of coaches, and they immediately all said the

1217
00:59:22,226 --> 00:59:22,586
Speaker 4: same thing.

1218
00:59:22,586 --> 00:59:25,346
Speaker 2: We like the way it tastes. We believe in it.

1219
00:59:25,546 --> 00:59:28,826
Speaker 4: They hadn't invested in other products, but they invested in this.

1220
00:59:29,306 --> 00:59:31,426
Speaker 4: And the truth is what we're doing as a company

1221
00:59:31,626 --> 00:59:36,386
Speaker 4: is we've got these amazing coaches. But ultimately, can coaching

1222
00:59:37,186 --> 00:59:40,026
Speaker 4: move the needle on emerging brands? Can coaching move the

1223
00:59:40,066 --> 00:59:43,906
Speaker 4: needle on a publicly traded company through influence at the

1224
00:59:43,986 --> 00:59:47,146
Speaker 4: highest level because they truly believe in the product and

1225
00:59:47,186 --> 00:59:50,466
Speaker 4: we'll find out if So that's kind of where I also.

1226
00:59:50,346 --> 00:59:53,466
Speaker 1: Open the doors to the next thing, a running shoe

1227
00:59:53,666 --> 00:59:55,786
Speaker 1: or if he a headset or whatever it is.

1228
00:59:55,866 --> 00:59:58,426
Speaker 4: So I like, hey, so maybe it's not a placement,

1229
00:59:58,466 --> 01:00:00,226
Speaker 4: but at the end of the day, we felt like

1230
01:00:00,626 --> 01:00:01,906
Speaker 4: just deserved the opportunity.

1231
01:00:02,186 --> 01:00:05,346
Speaker 1: What's the word we use with McDaniel, it's authentic, that's it.

1232
01:00:05,346 --> 01:00:07,546
Speaker 1: It's not like you're out here promoting an underwear brand

1233
01:00:07,546 --> 01:00:09,786
Speaker 1: because they're giving you a couple hundred thousand dollars. You're like, no,

1234
01:00:09,866 --> 01:00:12,066
Speaker 1: this is the product that these guys drink. Let's try

1235
01:00:12,106 --> 01:00:14,346
Speaker 1: to do someone with it. I respect that. I respect

1236
01:00:14,346 --> 01:00:16,226
Speaker 1: that your mind is always working that way, and I

1237
01:00:16,266 --> 01:00:17,586
Speaker 1: respect that you gave us all this time.

1238
01:00:17,706 --> 01:00:19,706
Speaker 2: Richmond, Thank you, bro, thanks for having me on.

1239
01:00:24,346 --> 01:00:28,946
Speaker 1: Interesting guests different Aaron, Like, Richmond's a character, he's smart

1240
01:00:28,946 --> 01:00:31,866
Speaker 1: as hell, and his roster is as good as anybody

1241
01:00:31,906 --> 01:00:33,426
Speaker 1: as far as coaches go. But like, I just wanted

1242
01:00:33,426 --> 01:00:35,786
Speaker 1: to get a look inside the new the I guess

1243
01:00:35,786 --> 01:00:37,466
Speaker 1: the origin story of Mike McDaniel.

1244
01:00:37,706 --> 01:00:42,066
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it was really cool hearing Mike's interview process,

1245
01:00:42,146 --> 01:00:45,306
Speaker 3: and you know, like you said, he was a guy

1246
01:00:45,306 --> 01:00:48,306
Speaker 3: who hadn't who had been up for jobs, hadn't had

1247
01:00:48,346 --> 01:00:51,306
Speaker 3: the interviews, and then went in and he was he

1248
01:00:51,346 --> 01:00:53,586
Speaker 3: said it later in the interview too, the right guy

1249
01:00:53,786 --> 01:00:56,386
Speaker 3: for that job at that time. And clearly that's working

1250
01:00:56,426 --> 01:00:56,986
Speaker 3: out for him now.

1251
01:00:57,066 --> 01:00:59,226
Speaker 1: No imagine, imagine you're an owner and you draft to

1252
01:00:59,306 --> 01:01:01,066
Speaker 1: a fifth overall and everyone comes in and says, well

1253
01:01:01,066 --> 01:01:03,226
Speaker 1: two is not your guy. I got plans for Tom

1254
01:01:03,226 --> 01:01:05,146
Speaker 1: Brady or we've got to draft someone else. So there's

1255
01:01:05,186 --> 01:01:07,586
Speaker 1: and then McDaniel comes in, as I've already driven, I've

1256
01:01:07,626 --> 01:01:09,786
Speaker 1: already drawn up the entire offense around TUA, and this

1257
01:01:09,826 --> 01:01:11,946
Speaker 1: is what's gonna work you'd like, all right, I'd like

1258
01:01:11,986 --> 01:01:13,306
Speaker 1: to take the benefit of doubt, and I'll have to

1259
01:01:13,306 --> 01:01:16,266
Speaker 1: start all over again. That was cool. That was different.

1260
01:01:17,146 --> 01:01:20,306
Speaker 1: We'll see how the Dolphins finish out. But I figured

1261
01:01:20,306 --> 01:01:21,666
Speaker 1: it as a three and oh team after just putting

1262
01:01:21,666 --> 01:01:23,586
Speaker 1: seventy points up. If you can't get McDaniel, let's get

1263
01:01:23,586 --> 01:01:25,946
Speaker 1: his closest friend and the guy who represents him in

1264
01:01:25,986 --> 01:01:27,826
Speaker 1: his business affairs real quick.

1265
01:01:27,906 --> 01:01:30,186
Speaker 3: Not to call us out, but the three and old Dolphins,

1266
01:01:30,186 --> 01:01:32,706
Speaker 3: who I think neither of us picked for Let's stop.

1267
01:01:32,746 --> 01:01:34,946
Speaker 1: What are you doing? We move right along. What's the

1268
01:01:35,066 --> 01:01:39,066
Speaker 1: Kevin James meme? Like Peter, you didn't pick the Dolphins

1269
01:01:39,106 --> 01:01:41,026
Speaker 1: to make the playoffs. And then that's the picture of

1270
01:01:41,066 --> 01:01:43,186
Speaker 1: me with my hands in my pockets making that the

1271
01:01:43,226 --> 01:01:47,186
Speaker 1: fetching look that Kevin James has. In closing, I did

1272
01:01:47,186 --> 01:01:51,146
Speaker 1: want to hit on two little things. One Thursday night

1273
01:01:51,186 --> 01:01:55,626
Speaker 1: football Lions versus Packers. I will not be watching live.

1274
01:01:55,706 --> 01:01:56,426
Speaker 1: Can I tell you why?

1275
01:01:57,146 --> 01:01:59,746
Speaker 3: Because you'll be I don't know.

1276
01:02:00,386 --> 01:02:05,106
Speaker 1: Melissa Ethridge, die hard Kansas City Chiefs fan, sent me

1277
01:02:05,146 --> 01:02:08,386
Speaker 1: an invite to go to the premiere of her one

1278
01:02:08,466 --> 01:02:13,306
Speaker 1: woman Broadway show that is premiering Thursday night and I

1279
01:02:13,426 --> 01:02:17,306
Speaker 1: said yes, so I'll be in the house. I don't

1280
01:02:17,306 --> 01:02:18,586
Speaker 1: even I don't know what it's called. I think it's

1281
01:02:18,586 --> 01:02:20,546
Speaker 1: called like come to my window or something, but like

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Speaker 1: it's Ethridge. She did an off Broadway one Woman's show

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Speaker 1: this past spring. I think it got rave reviews, it

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Speaker 1: got picked up to be a Broadway show. And I've

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Speaker 1: known Etherage since she started watching Good Morning Football. We

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Speaker 1: DM We texted all this stuff. I get this lovely

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Speaker 1: invite from her, like, why don't you and your wife

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Speaker 1: come to the premiere. I don't know if this is

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Speaker 1: winning any Tony's. I don't know what I'm in for.

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Speaker 1: And this is a story that I come in pretty

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Speaker 1: blindly on. She's had some real tragedy in her life

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Speaker 1: in the last couple of years. She also was a groundbreaking

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Speaker 1: musician in a lot of ways, and I love her.

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Speaker 1: So I will be attending Melissa Ethridge's One Woman Broadway

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Speaker 1: Show Thursday night. If you want to talk about a

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Speaker 1: podcast that really hits all culture angles and the truth

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01:03:03,986 --> 01:03:06,906
Speaker 1: of the matter is long before Taylor Swift was a

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Speaker 1: pop star repping the Chiefs, I go day one with Ethridge.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I love it, so Homer Christopher Nolan most etherwards,

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Speaker 3: there we go. We got our trio right there.

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Speaker 1: At it come to my window and you know what,

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01:03:20,626 --> 01:03:24,466
Speaker 1: she's not gonna sue us. She's not because we're friends.

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01:03:25,586 --> 01:03:29,106
Speaker 1: And the last thing, you know, the travel story that

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Speaker 1: my friend Jay gave last week, like the responses were

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Speaker 1: through the roof. But I'm tapering it back. I don't

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Speaker 1: want to be a complaining podcast. I don't want to

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01:03:36,866 --> 01:03:39,266
Speaker 1: be a podcast that just makes you feel anxiety. I

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Speaker 1: don't want to be a podcast that suddenly we have

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Speaker 1: our niche and it's just a guy who gets paid

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Speaker 1: to fly and travel. Handsomely, it is about travel the

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Speaker 1: entire time. However, I sent you guys, and Jason English

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Speaker 1: is here from Iar. I sent you guys a photo

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Speaker 1: that was like the sneakiest photo I've ever sent Aaron,

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Speaker 1: did you see anything in the photo that I sent

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Speaker 1: or was it too blurry food to even see what

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Speaker 1: it was going on? And I sent you a photo

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Speaker 1: Saturday morning from my delta flight.

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Speaker 3: There is no amount of blurriness that photo could have

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Speaker 3: had to hide the two bare feet on point.

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Speaker 1: I'm seated next to a cretan, a caveman of a man.

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01:04:21,346 --> 01:04:24,426
Speaker 1: I get seated in a seat and it's one of

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Speaker 1: those where you're sitting next to somebody. It's just a

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01:04:27,146 --> 01:04:29,386
Speaker 1: two of us and I sit down and it's seven

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Speaker 1: in the morning and flying out to LA from New York.

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Speaker 1: All I want to do is close my eyes and

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Speaker 1: go to sleep. Well, I sit down, I start to

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Speaker 1: doze off a little bit, and I notice out of

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Speaker 1: the corner of my eye a toenail. In my vision.

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Speaker 1: This man might have been in his sixties seventies, and

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Speaker 1: I would say he is like a hippie type. And

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Speaker 1: when I say hippie type, he like kind of had

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Speaker 1: like free flowing gray hair. He thought he was like

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Speaker 1: a silver fox of some sort. I hope he's listening.

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Speaker 1: I didn't get his name. And he immediately sits down,

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Speaker 1: slips off his loafers, and he just is rocking barefoot.

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Speaker 1: So what would one do in the situation? Sit and

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Speaker 1: fester and be grossed out the entire No. I spoke up.

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Speaker 1: I said to him, sir, and he looked at me,

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Speaker 1: shocked that someone would even address me. Go, do you

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Speaker 1: mind putting on some socks or some slippers? This is

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Speaker 1: a long flight and I can't be looking at your

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Speaker 1: feet the whole time. And he said to me, excuse me,

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Speaker 1: I said no, in all honesty, I have my things,

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Speaker 1: and one of them is I am grossed out by

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Speaker 1: bare feet. If you don't mind, would you either put

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Speaker 1: a blanket over your feet or put on some slippers.

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Speaker 1: And he put on some slippers. Oh, I fell asleep.

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Speaker 1: I fall asleep. I hear some rustling. I see this

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Speaker 1: gentleman walking in the aisle to a bathroom on a plane, barefooted,

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Speaker 1: use the bathroom, and then come back slide into his

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Speaker 1: seat right next to me, still barefoot, and I just

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Speaker 1: I just closed my eyes and I said, I already

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Speaker 1: had my one. I spoke up. I'm not gonna do

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Speaker 1: it again.

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Speaker 3: So he has slippers on and then intentionally took them up.

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Speaker 1: I think he was waiting for me to fall asleep

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Speaker 1: so we can get those darned slippers off, Get those

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Speaker 1: get those mittens off my toes, let them be free.

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Speaker 1: And its feet were not well pedicured or manicured, whoever

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Speaker 1: the term is. It was disgusting. I mean, hairy toes

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Speaker 1: the whole thing. Just another week of travel, my friend.

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Speaker 3: I mean, frankly, from that story, I'm not too concerned

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Speaker 3: with what was on top of his feet. Now I'm

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Speaker 3: worried about what was on the bottom of it. Right

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Speaker 3: into the bathroom.

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Speaker 1: Didn't care, doesn't know what's been going on in that bathroom.

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Speaker 1: Just barefoot.

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Speaker 3: Also, we've had some stories from flights in the past

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Speaker 3: month of disasters.

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Speaker 1: No, my flight was smooth. I took off on time,

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Speaker 1: I got home on time. Everything was great. The airlines

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Speaker 1: did wonderful, Delta and Jet Blue, little combo deal. Delta

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Speaker 1: in the on the Saturday out, jet Blue on the

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Speaker 1: Sunday home so I can watch the games. All baseful.

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Speaker 1: You can't control who's flying your planes. Again, not gonna

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Speaker 1: go big on it. Don't want to complain. I'm paid

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Speaker 1: to fly. It's great. I had a lovely flight. The

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Speaker 1: in flight meal was delicious. Just a disgusting barefoot man

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Speaker 1: to me. And that's just lucky to draw sometimes.

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Speaker 3: And just for clarification, this is because Jason's sitting next

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Speaker 3: to you barefoot right now, right here's.

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Speaker 1: My guy, Jason. Jason, your feet are always welcome. Guys,

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Speaker 1: different kind of podcast, that's what we want. Thanks for listening,

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Speaker 1: Tell your friends, subscribe, write a review. If you hate this,

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Speaker 1: write a review if you like it, write a review.

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01:07:30,386 --> 01:07:32,266
Speaker 1: I'm pretty proud of the work we're doing over here,

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Speaker 1: and I want to keep it rolling. So this Season

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Speaker 1: with Peter Schrager, let's get into one of those top

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01:07:37,506 --> 01:07:41,106
Speaker 1: ten playlist things on Apple or Spotify or whatever it is.

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Speaker 1: Let's go up there with the New Heights podcast or

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Speaker 1: all the rest. We want to be the best football

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Speaker 1: podcast there is. I certainly know we're giving you the

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Speaker 1: most unique content. All Right, guys, thank you. The Season

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Speaker 1: with Peter Schrager is a production of the NFL and

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Speaker 1: partnership with iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the

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