WEBVTT - Ep. 253: Meat Slaps and Tallow 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:13.320 This is me eater podcast coming at you shirtless, severely 0:00:13.440 --> 0:00:18.599 bug bitten in my case, underwear listening podcast. You can't 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:22.680 predict anything presented by on X. Hunt creators are the 0:00:22.680 --> 0:00:26.479 most comprehensive digital mapping system for hunters. Download the Hunt 0:00:26.520 --> 0:00:29.600 app from the iTunes or Google play store, nor where 0:00:29.680 --> 0:00:39.880 you stand with on X, I'll tell you something interesting. Umah. 0:00:39.880 --> 0:00:43.839 A couple of times I've expressed outrage, which you know, 0:00:44.120 --> 0:00:48.640 that's what Americans do nowadays. It's express outrage all day long. Right, 0:00:49.159 --> 0:00:54.880 I was expressing outrage about, uh, the fact that twenty 0:00:54.920 --> 0:01:01.520 four individuals have contacted Montana Fish wildfe Parks so contacted 0:01:01.560 --> 0:01:08.920 their state game agency to get GPS tracking data on animals, 0:01:12.360 --> 0:01:15.280 and the state was saying, we have but little option 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:17.000 but to give it to them, meaning you could go 0:01:17.360 --> 0:01:19.640 like they're like, oh, I know a good hunting trick. 0:01:20.560 --> 0:01:27.800 You contacted biologists who's got Collard a Collard bull and say, hey, 0:01:27.840 --> 0:01:29.200 I want all the way points. I want to know. 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:31.240 I want the GPS tracking data because you're a state 0:01:31.280 --> 0:01:33.600 agency and so therefore it has to be public information. 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:37.160 It's like publicly funded science, so they want access to that. Yeah, 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:42.080 and I just outright condemned these people as being horrible people, right, 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:47.880 and then following up on that, uh, Jim Heffelfinger, who 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:52.280 is a wildlife biologists in Arizona, was saying that in Arizona, 0:01:52.600 --> 0:01:55.160 just for that reason, we have a some kind of 0:01:55.160 --> 0:01:58.560 state statute or something that makes it that gives us 0:01:58.920 --> 0:02:07.000 the ability to provide tracking data. Two people. A dude 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:10.480 writes in though, and he says, um on last week's 0:02:10.480 --> 0:02:12.840 podcast never Mind Act, I don't know when it was. 0:02:12.880 --> 0:02:15.160 It was recently, but I just got around reading this now. 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:19.519 Steve mentions the fact that there have been several requests 0:02:19.520 --> 0:02:22.440 for GPS collar data in Montana. I am one of 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:26.400 those requesters. I thought i'd share a little of why 0:02:26.520 --> 0:02:31.400 I requested it and what I actually received. He then 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:35.680 goes on to establish his credentials as a hunter, feeds 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:41.960 his family off wild game. Um, love's wildlife, and he's 0:02:41.960 --> 0:02:48.520 a photographer and he requested data. This is what he 0:02:48.520 --> 0:02:51.640 has to say. He requested data for a big bull elk. 0:02:52.680 --> 0:02:54.600 Somebody knows about a big bull elk or another. He 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:57.840 requested data for a big bull elk in a mountain 0:02:57.960 --> 0:03:01.840 range that is very he it takes a range, it 0:03:01.840 --> 0:03:03.880 takes a lifetime to draw a tag in that range. 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:06.720 So I'm guessing he's talking about the tobacco roots. It's 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:13.360 my guess, not a tobacco roots, del corns, old corns. Sorry. Correct. 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:17.040 He says he's into this thing. He says, the thing 0:03:17.120 --> 0:03:20.160 now that you and a guy I know where it 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:22.600 got big Rick Prisca Ricks into all this kind of 0:03:22.639 --> 0:03:26.800 stuff where you set a trail cam in a sweet 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:31.320 looking spot and the hope is that you'll get an 0:03:31.320 --> 0:03:33.640 image of You'll get a trail cam image with some 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:38.040 kind of stunning background. And these aren't just like Dick 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:40.480 and Jane trail cams like these are. It's like high 0:03:40.560 --> 0:03:44.160 high end systems, all custom laid out for us. Rick Well, 0:03:44.200 --> 0:03:47.800 I mean, keep getting close to animals and taking pictures 0:03:47.800 --> 0:03:51.400 of them unless they're habituated like that's like, that's ricks 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:53.200 I should point out to people. That's rich special. I 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:57.320 mean definitely unless they're roadside animals that are really used 0:03:57.320 --> 0:03:59.720 to or on a private ranch or something like that 0:03:59.760 --> 0:04:04.080 where they don't they don't run away from you. Um, 0:04:04.120 --> 0:04:09.440 taking taking pictures of animals that don't want their picture taking, 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:13.360 it's really hard, uh, and it results in like a document, 0:04:13.400 --> 0:04:16.599 but not like something that's aesthetically pleasing. So these trail 0:04:16.680 --> 0:04:19.919 cams you can rig up with like nice lenses and 0:04:19.960 --> 0:04:21.960 a big system, and how do you keep it all water? 0:04:22.720 --> 0:04:25.599 It's all like housed in like a little pelican case 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:28.480 like a the electronics are housed in there and they 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:32.000 have it's like a dude setting a legit camera out. Yeah, 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:35.040 like a like a five thousand dollar camera in a box. 0:04:35.320 --> 0:04:37.440 I wonder if people ever hork because like it's one thing, 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:39.480 the hork a trail camera. If you're gonna work like 0:04:39.520 --> 0:04:42.960 a oh, it's definitely I mean yeah unless you I 0:04:43.000 --> 0:04:46.440 mean you could easily like I don't know, tie it 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:49.120 to something, lock it to something. They the boxes will 0:04:49.200 --> 0:04:51.599 have like a mechanism that you can lock that box, 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:54.919 but it but it consists of something to power that 0:04:54.960 --> 0:04:58.760 camera for a really long time. Uh. A motion sensor 0:04:58.920 --> 0:05:02.679 both like a passive sensor that's just catching uh any 0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:05.919 sort of movement, like a motion sensor you might have 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:08.040 in your house to turn on the lights. But then 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:11.440 they also have these active sensors where it's like a beam, 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:14.160 so the animal breaks the beam at a very specific 0:05:14.240 --> 0:05:17.800 point because you're like you're wanting to get him like 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:22.840 a very specific you know composition. Um. And there's some 0:05:22.839 --> 0:05:26.000 folks that are I share sharing office with a with 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:29.520 a fellow that's super good at it. Ronan Donovan, who's 0:05:29.520 --> 0:05:32.800 the mug that UM got into that big time And 0:05:32.839 --> 0:05:35.599 he's the one that got the Mountain lion with the 0:05:35.640 --> 0:05:40.720 Hollywood sign behind him. Two. Yeah, Steve Winters. Yeah, he's 0:05:40.720 --> 0:05:42.920 spent like a year, you know, like in his head 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:46.200 he's like, I know there's this lion that is in 0:05:46.240 --> 0:05:49.719 this area and he wanted the Hollywood sign back there. 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:51.920 So I mean I think it he had that camera 0:05:51.960 --> 0:05:54.880 out there for over a year. M hmm. That's what 0:05:54.920 --> 0:05:57.440 this dude's doing too. Huh. That's what he says he's into. 0:05:57.520 --> 0:05:59.320 And he challenges me, he goes, you can go look 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:02.920 it up online. It's the thing. Anyhow, are you good 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:04.440 on that? Rick? You want get into the No, No, 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:07.600 that's don't. I had some useful information to add to 0:06:07.839 --> 0:06:10.520 his point was that he's not going to hunt this animal. 0:06:10.800 --> 0:06:13.040 That's where we're getting. Yeah, but we're not even the 0:06:13.080 --> 0:06:15.560 good part. But that's his point. I'll say something about 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:18.640 Rick that was good there, just for listeners at home. 0:06:19.640 --> 0:06:22.960 Have we talked about this. I always I always feel 0:06:23.040 --> 0:06:27.920 like Rick's gonna know things, And often times I go 0:06:27.960 --> 0:06:29.800 to him and I'll be like, you know, Rick, Rick knows, 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:33.680 and then and then he'll not know it's very true, 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:36.480 but he'll say, I have high expectations. Well, I'm good 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:39.000 at making up I'm good at making up stuff I 0:06:39.000 --> 0:06:42.160 don't know anything about. Because you nailed that one. Well, 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:44.200 he usually does, but sometimes he don't like the words. 0:06:44.240 --> 0:06:46.320 Actually that's probably yeah, that'll be like, Rick, how do 0:06:46.320 --> 0:06:49.520 you pronounce that word in my wheelhouse? There, Steve, that 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:52.680 one that's specifically in your other ones. I'll just pretend 0:06:52.720 --> 0:06:56.800 it's in my wheelhouse, that one that's actually the Let 0:06:56.800 --> 0:06:59.160 me ask you this about the photography world. What's wrong? 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:01.920 What Chris was going to say something? Well, I was 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:05.720 gonna say that. Rick often says things, this is the 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:09.200 voice of Chris Gill, Rhan Garrett or shared of Mike, 0:07:09.240 --> 0:07:12.160 and he's wearing the headset. So that's why that's COVID SA. Yeah, 0:07:12.200 --> 0:07:21.400 that's really long head set. Anyways, Rick, I'm sorry, go ahead. 0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:24.720 Rick says things with such confidence, even if he doesn't 0:07:24.720 --> 0:07:28.960 know what he's talking about, that you believe it, which 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:31.920 gets him into the situation where you always just defer, 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:33.920 You're like, oh, yeah, Rick knows, because even if he 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:36.520 doesn't know, he's like, oh yeah, that's that's it. But 0:07:36.600 --> 0:07:40.080 what adds to it too, is this what's good about it? 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:43.960 Is it when he when you like, Okay, if he 0:07:44.040 --> 0:07:47.080 half knows, he might act like he know knows, yes, 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:49.360 But if he doesn't know at all, he just says 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:53.800 he doesn't know. If I have I have, just if 0:07:53.800 --> 0:07:57.080 I have just like ten of the information, I'll bump 0:07:57.120 --> 0:07:58.800 it up to know. I'll bump that up to like, 0:08:00.840 --> 0:08:02.720 all right, let me ask you this, Rick, this is 0:08:02.720 --> 0:08:05.240 a photography ethics question. All right in the wild from 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:07.800 wild I have an m f A and we we 0:08:07.840 --> 0:08:14.400 talked about that axiographics with I'll preface it by saying this, 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:18.920 uh when and I want to get back to this dude, 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:23.640 but but but this is interesting. Um I was surprised 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:29.600 it back up. We just published our The Mediator Guide 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:32.280 to Wilderness Skills and Survival, which is available now at Amazon. 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:38.040 Um I as part of the promotion for that did 0:08:38.120 --> 0:08:40.719 did this little Walls there was like a small profile 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:44.280 of me and Wall Street Journal yea, which is great, 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:48.240 great great priests, great piece of inc I spent some 0:08:48.280 --> 0:08:51.480 time with a photographer who had to take a portrait. Yep, 0:08:52.120 --> 0:08:55.640 So Kylie and I went out with her to take 0:08:56.520 --> 0:09:00.200 a portrait and I was and she was very like 0:09:00.679 --> 0:09:05.000 it took a long time, okay. And she was telling 0:09:05.040 --> 0:09:09.680 me that in the journal, even if it's just like 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:16.400 a human interest piece, she cannot manipulate that image. She said, 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:22.760 if there's a piece of hair on her lens, she 0:09:22.880 --> 0:09:27.719 can't wipe that out. They're like because they will not 0:09:27.800 --> 0:09:32.800 allow the journal. They regard themselves as a news agency journalists, 0:09:33.040 --> 0:09:36.560 and they're so strict about not no doctrine of images 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:40.720 that they can't even remove lent on the lens any 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:45.160 imperfection like you can. They often deliver the final image 0:09:45.280 --> 0:09:47.560 and then the raw photos that you can compare the 0:09:47.559 --> 0:09:50.720 two to make sure that that there wasn't any photoshop 0:09:50.720 --> 0:09:54.120 work done. She can't adjust, she can't post adjust light, 0:09:55.360 --> 0:09:58.520 she can't even suggest the image quality of it. That's 0:09:58.520 --> 0:10:00.520 what she was saying to me. So or like you, 0:10:01.160 --> 0:10:03.760 I might not have the vocabulary to fully explain. She 0:10:04.240 --> 0:10:06.880 can't do ship and she's taken the portrait. Like I've 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:10.719 done portraits for magazines. They do whatever the hell they want. Yeah, yeah, quick, No, 0:10:10.880 --> 0:10:13.679 it's a it's a whole different deal to be considered 0:10:13.679 --> 0:10:18.400 a photo journalist. That's yeah, she's a photo journalist. Photographer, 0:10:18.440 --> 0:10:20.240 so you gotta be real on top of your ship. 0:10:20.360 --> 0:10:22.960 You gotta wipe your lens. There was some I think 0:10:23.000 --> 0:10:25.000 there was some big scandals back in the day when 0:10:25.040 --> 0:10:28.520 photoshop was first coming on, where people would take remove 0:10:28.640 --> 0:10:31.520 like a post or a signpole that like made the 0:10:31.520 --> 0:10:35.440 image esthetically not as pleasing, so that there was like 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:38.520 I think there was a when the transition to digital happened, 0:10:39.080 --> 0:10:41.800 there was kind of a there's a bunch of protesters 0:10:41.840 --> 0:10:45.920 you put into some guns. Yeah you can add yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever, 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:50.880 not yourself out horrible. Uh no, Okay, that that prefaces 0:10:50.920 --> 0:10:55.840 my question in the wildlife world, is it bad in 0:10:55.840 --> 0:10:59.280 the wildlife photography world? Is a bad doctor? I think 0:10:59.280 --> 0:11:04.199 for the folks consider themselves journalists or like advancing like 0:11:04.440 --> 0:11:08.080 the science of either conservation or wildlife. Yeah, they don't. 0:11:08.520 --> 0:11:11.800 They're not messing with images. So National Geographic where that 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:14.520 where that mountain lion Hollywood thing came? Not me, not 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:16.520 messing with that. It wouldn't fly. If he's like, well, 0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:18.000 I took a picture of a lion and then put 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:21.320 the hollywod and they would I think they would maybe 0:11:21.320 --> 0:11:25.760 call those photo illustrations or graphic designer. Yeah, it's like go, 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:28.280 but there is. I think the public often kind of 0:11:28.280 --> 0:11:29.840 blurs the two and they're like, oh, look at this 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:33.520 amazing picture of a lion, and it's like super manipulated 0:11:33.640 --> 0:11:36.440 or it turns into it's a form of art. But 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:40.040 it's not the same as capturing that animal, you know, 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:44.680 in a less doctored way. M But I don't know. 0:11:44.720 --> 0:11:46.560 I don't know if the public really cares that much. 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:50.120 For Christmas, I bought my My wife likes to do puzzles. Yea. 0:11:50.240 --> 0:11:54.520 I bought her a thousand piece puzzle of a woman. 0:11:54.559 --> 0:11:57.199 It's sort of like a metal swimsuit in a big 0:11:57.240 --> 0:11:59.960 axe riding on a dragon. You can tell that ship 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:09.360 not real. Um. Probably manipulate a little so UM. And 0:12:09.400 --> 0:12:15.480 I bought her a crazy puzzle. Is coming out Christmas 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:18.679 is and we're fine. I bought her a crazy puzzle. 0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:21.880 She likes hard puzzles and she has a problem where 0:12:22.240 --> 0:12:23.880 if she starts the puzzles, she can't go to bed 0:12:23.920 --> 0:12:26.480 until she finishes the puzzle. Is that a real, it's 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:30.440 a real it's a real problem. She started doing a 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:32.680 puzzle and everybody went to bed on New Year's Eve, 0:12:33.559 --> 0:12:35.080 and uh, I like to go bed real early on 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:37.079 New Year's Eve, but everyone to bed on New Year's Eve. 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:39.200 And she stayed up because she can't go to bed. 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:42.280 It's a she's got a puzzled thing. She doesn't she 0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:44.240 doesn't try to find him, but if she goes, if 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:46.200 we like god to stay at a friend's house, this 0:12:46.240 --> 0:12:48.080 happened to her once. We go to a friend's house 0:12:48.520 --> 0:12:51.960 and they had a puzzle kind of started. She couldn't 0:12:51.960 --> 0:12:54.120 help herself but do it. And then I made her 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:56.360 undo some of it because it's like they obviously were 0:12:56.400 --> 0:12:59.560 trying to do the puzzle. She she's a puzzle. She 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:02.160 can't not do it. That's that's like you in like 0:13:02.240 --> 0:13:05.480 a dirty garage, dirty garage. I bought her a puzzle 0:13:05.559 --> 0:13:11.160 of a dude uh in a giant weed garden stream 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:15.880 and weed, so it's all just weed where you get 0:13:15.880 --> 0:13:18.240 all the puzzles. Oh, my friend Savannah sent me a 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:21.560 link because she knows it's my wife's old roommate sent 0:13:21.600 --> 0:13:25.480 me a link being like like you know, like you 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:27.439 always got a puzzle problem. If you're really on a messager, 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:29.640 give her this weed puzzle because she won't look at 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:33.160 the picture either. She doesn't let herself look. This is 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:35.559 gonna take her a million years. She's gonna be like die, 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:37.839 She's gonna die of sleep deprivation by the time she 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:40.439 finishes the weed puzzle. But the same outfit work I 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:42.920 think it's Workman publishing. The same outfit had the woman 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:44.720 riding the dragon, so I kind of threw that into 0:13:44.760 --> 0:13:49.760 the basket. It's warm er, warm er, upper puzzle. Um, Okay, 0:13:49.800 --> 0:13:52.800 back to this guy, We're sweet. Oh you're still going 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:55.040 Oh dude, I haven't got to the good part. Alright, 0:13:55.240 --> 0:13:58.040 got the preamble, So he goes on to explain his 0:13:58.080 --> 0:14:01.840 wintertime hobby sort of like Me and seth trapped, Martin's 0:14:01.880 --> 0:14:07.800 his wintertime The hobby is set in trail cams. Um. 0:14:07.840 --> 0:14:10.640 He sets them in areas, intentionally sets them in areas 0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:15.120 with spectacular landscapes. Okay, and it wants to get the 0:14:15.120 --> 0:14:20.280 animal in the perfect pose. So he requested the data 0:14:20.360 --> 0:14:23.400 because he wanted to find pinch points with a view 0:14:23.560 --> 0:14:25.840 to get some really cool shots of some of the 0:14:25.880 --> 0:14:30.720 most sought out bulls. In the state. Here's what I 0:14:30.720 --> 0:14:34.520 got from f w P. Okay, So what I heard 0:14:34.600 --> 0:14:39.600 is FWP had little recourse other than to hand over 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:45.440 the data, which I was like, what's the world more 0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:49.880 on Christmas? Right? So? Um, First I had to file 0:14:49.920 --> 0:14:52.760 a formal written request along with an explanation of what 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:55.160 I was going to do with the data. I'm sure 0:14:55.240 --> 0:14:59.160 no one believe me. The request went to someone's boss's boss. 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:01.920 It took seven months of back and forth to get approval. 0:15:02.560 --> 0:15:06.160 They did their due diligence. Second, when I received the data, 0:15:06.240 --> 0:15:09.320 it was in map form, not coordinates. The map was 0:15:09.360 --> 0:15:12.240 at the scale as to show the whole range, and 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:15.520 the dots that signified the location data were large enough 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:19.360 to cover several hundred yards. And just for reference, there's 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:23.440 one dot per day for every collared animal over a 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:26.840 five year study. That's a whole lot of dots, most 0:15:26.880 --> 0:15:28.880 of which are on top of each other. Third, the 0:15:28.880 --> 0:15:32.880 maps are broken into three month periods. F w P 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:35.880 most have forgotten to give the data from September through 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:40.160 November because I only received three sets of maps. Lastly, 0:15:40.160 --> 0:15:42.360 they threatened me with jail time if I share the 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:45.440 data or used it to her asked wildlife in any way. 0:15:46.000 --> 0:15:48.800 I'm assuming I'm I'm some sort of watchless now and 0:15:48.840 --> 0:15:54.760 oh the most recent data I received is two years old. Yeah, 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:57.480 so f f WP was like, Okay, we're gonna give 0:15:57.520 --> 0:15:59.680 you the data, but we're gonna make it as hard 0:15:59.680 --> 0:16:02.480 as we can. Yeah. It goes not to say if 0:16:02.480 --> 0:16:06.680 I was looking to kill some out, it's not not 0:16:06.720 --> 0:16:10.120 that helpful. Not that helpful. Yeah, I mean he was 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:12.880 looking for some nice little tracks of like he's just 0:16:12.920 --> 0:16:16.720 trying to find patterns of movement or but is I 0:16:16.720 --> 0:16:19.360 mean you could just do that. I think he probably, Yeah, 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:25.240 he just has to go go out there, hit the ground. Yeah. Probably. 0:16:25.440 --> 0:16:28.280 It probably helps just giving you like a like, oh, 0:16:28.320 --> 0:16:30.520 he spends a lot of time here. If he's doing 0:16:30.520 --> 0:16:33.120 another elk are doing it, you know. Oh, it's like 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:38.200 he was looking for an individual, like some monster I recently. 0:16:38.440 --> 0:16:40.560 UM didn't request it, but I got some I got 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:49.400 some information from a biologist that uh was very helpful. 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:54.800 And it was I got a map showing the it's 0:16:54.840 --> 0:17:00.400 it's a big map and it shows it's color coded 0:17:00.440 --> 0:17:06.639 for habitat quality. So the darker red it is, the better. 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:10.679 They regard habitat quality to be for this particular species 0:17:11.520 --> 0:17:16.960 overlaid on the map or dots showing where kills had 0:17:17.000 --> 0:17:22.680 been registered. But there's only dot. There's a dot for 0:17:22.760 --> 0:17:26.760 every section where a kill has been registered, and it 0:17:26.800 --> 0:17:30.159 doesn't matter if one or a hundred things were killed 0:17:30.440 --> 0:17:35.840 on that section, the section still only gets one dot. Yeah, 0:17:35.920 --> 0:17:38.680 so it could be a freak outlier, or it could 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:42.080 be like the hottest honey hole of all right, but 0:17:42.800 --> 0:17:45.640 it's not good for anything specific. But when you look 0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:48.720 at it, you get a sense of I looked at it. 0:17:48.760 --> 0:17:51.120 I got a sense of, Okay, where's the good habitat 0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:55.520 for the species? Um? And the most interesting thing to 0:17:55.560 --> 0:18:00.280 me about it was that it showed particularly how people 0:18:00.320 --> 0:18:04.080 were accessing the area, because there are mass areas that 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:08.280 were the deepest, darkest red that had no dots in them, 0:18:08.320 --> 0:18:12.160 and all the dots were along all the dots were 0:18:12.200 --> 0:18:17.200 concentrated along road systems, and so you could look at 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:21.640 it and get a very general sense of like, um, 0:18:21.880 --> 0:18:25.960 where one might go that's good habitat but not but 0:18:25.960 --> 0:18:31.600 but likely not getting exploited, like the resources likely not 0:18:31.640 --> 0:18:35.879 getting exploited in those perfectly red areas that don't have 0:18:35.880 --> 0:18:39.520 any dots, So like super helpful, super helpful. I mean 0:18:39.520 --> 0:18:41.600 I feel like that's not like, oh, I got them, 0:18:41.640 --> 0:18:50.359 now you know what species it was. I got a 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:54.680 question that's very simple. That's coincide with all this. So 0:18:54.800 --> 0:18:59.000 on Onyx, they have the harvested buck and elk reports 0:18:59.240 --> 0:19:05.000 right boil meal deer buck or white tail buck from 0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:07.840 two thousand eighteen when you click on the unit to 0:19:07.880 --> 0:19:10.760 see the rags, and I was like, man, if you 0:19:10.800 --> 0:19:13.359 were trying to learn the distribution and where those animals 0:19:13.400 --> 0:19:15.520 were killed, not within the game unit, but they have 0:19:15.800 --> 0:19:17.919 what that game units was kind of a similar thing 0:19:17.920 --> 0:19:20.760 where you kindn't know. It's just the numbers, just the numbers, 0:19:20.840 --> 0:19:22.920 not like dots on the map. No, you can see 0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:26.960 which unit has like maybe the percentage of Harvard success. 0:19:27.200 --> 0:19:28.840 And I was like, if you're trying to figure out 0:19:28.880 --> 0:19:31.600 if you're just going in blind to an area, like 0:19:31.640 --> 0:19:33.280 I was trying to learn a new area in Montana, 0:19:33.280 --> 0:19:38.679 and that would be part of but that that's just 0:19:38.760 --> 0:19:40.879 one part of figuring out is it worth going in 0:19:40.880 --> 0:19:44.639 in here? There's like, you know, three bucks harvested. You're like, oh, 0:19:44.680 --> 0:19:47.719 and it's a huge you know, w M A or something. Yeah, 0:19:47.760 --> 0:19:49.280 but there's a lot of ways to look at that too, 0:19:49.320 --> 0:19:54.040 like how many tags they give out and that was yeah, 0:19:54.240 --> 0:19:57.240 it was it was like just another little piece to use. Though. 0:19:57.520 --> 0:20:02.200 I think the success rates, oh percentage of hunters is 0:20:02.440 --> 0:20:07.480 extremely helpful. Yeah, yeah, uh if you're if you're looking 0:20:07.520 --> 0:20:09.879 at like certain limited draw things, then you see the 0:20:10.000 --> 0:20:12.959 success rates or like eighty some percent and the factor 0:20:13.000 --> 0:20:16.360 that some people probably even show up, you're like, yeah, yeah, 0:20:16.680 --> 0:20:19.920 it's gravy. Um. If you're looking at success rates that 0:20:19.960 --> 0:20:21.720 are in single digits, you kind of like know, you 0:20:21.840 --> 0:20:24.480 better carve out a little chunk of time. And while 0:20:24.480 --> 0:20:26.520 all the units I was looking at were just general 0:20:26.720 --> 0:20:30.800 over the counter units, and it did like it did 0:20:30.920 --> 0:20:34.399 somewhat guide me on you know, maybe the difference between 0:20:34.400 --> 0:20:37.119 this unit or that unit to go explore on foot. 0:20:39.320 --> 0:20:42.080 That's kosher. Right, Oh, that was the question I forgot 0:20:42.119 --> 0:20:46.119 you were asking a question. Oh of course, man, I 0:20:46.200 --> 0:20:48.000 don't I want to. I want to say, when we're 0:20:48.000 --> 0:20:50.760 thinking about the photographer, let's go back to him. It's 0:20:50.800 --> 0:20:52.800 just that's a lot of like that's good for him, 0:20:52.840 --> 0:20:56.640 like trying to he's trying to take a a great photo, 0:20:57.520 --> 0:21:00.639 and everybody takes photos these days, so the only way 0:21:00.680 --> 0:21:04.640 to separate yourself from the masses is like do something different, 0:21:04.840 --> 0:21:06.840 and you know you can debate like should he have 0:21:06.880 --> 0:21:09.320 that information or shouldn't he, but he's at least trying 0:21:09.920 --> 0:21:13.679 to do something different, which is Yeah, I'm I'm a 0:21:13.720 --> 0:21:16.520 big fan of people that have a vision in their 0:21:16.560 --> 0:21:18.680 mind of a photo that they want and they go 0:21:18.800 --> 0:21:26.680 and get that photo. Really yeah, yeah, give me an example, Um, yeah, 0:21:26.720 --> 0:21:29.520 what's the what's the photo you want? Seth, Well, here's 0:21:29.560 --> 0:21:32.960 an example that what's that uh fellow's name? You guys 0:21:32.960 --> 0:21:41.480 know we're talking about him, know that? That ever? And 0:21:41.560 --> 0:21:44.600 we're not. So there's this dude he wanted, he wanted 0:21:45.440 --> 0:21:50.439 he wanted a shot of um, a dude walking like 0:21:50.600 --> 0:21:53.600 free solo across one of those just like a wire 0:21:55.400 --> 0:22:00.439 from like two you know, it's a slack line spread 0:22:00.480 --> 0:22:03.800 between two points. Oh dude, you ever see that documentary 0:22:03.800 --> 0:22:06.520 about that guy Man on a Wire? Oh my god, 0:22:07.240 --> 0:22:09.640 that's a good aass movie. Man. You know, it's weird 0:22:09.680 --> 0:22:14.520 about that hold that thought. I gotta I got solderbergs 0:22:14.840 --> 0:22:18.760 was Man on Wire? You know that Steven Solderberg film 0:22:18.800 --> 0:22:22.800 he made with the porn star Sasha Gray. Yeah, what 0:22:22.880 --> 0:22:27.440 was that movie? Girlfriend experience. Oh yeah, you watched that movie. 0:22:27.480 --> 0:22:31.440 Real careful. The dude gets the dude gets the prostitute 0:22:32.080 --> 0:22:34.960 and they're on like there like fake date. They're talking 0:22:34.960 --> 0:22:41.919 about that documentary. Yeah, it's interesting, go ahead. Anyway, he 0:22:41.960 --> 0:22:45.360 wanted he wanted a shot of a dude walking on 0:22:46.280 --> 0:22:50.000 uh line with the moon full moon coming up behind 0:22:50.080 --> 0:22:52.240 him and he's like silhouetted in front of this giant moon, 0:22:52.359 --> 0:22:56.440 like e t yah, kind of when they're riding their bikes. Yeah, 0:22:57.720 --> 0:23:00.640 that's like a very specific shot that someone I disagree 0:23:00.680 --> 0:23:04.879 with you. It's not like being that being like cool, respectable. 0:23:04.880 --> 0:23:06.760 I mean, come on, now you're getting into now you're 0:23:06.760 --> 0:23:10.840 getting into subjective bs man. No, man, okay, you might 0:23:10.880 --> 0:23:14.439 agree with it because like all the I don't know, 0:23:14.840 --> 0:23:19.000 maybe I shouldn't. I want to hear you insults set. 0:23:19.040 --> 0:23:23.239 I'll knock that headset right off. No, I don't want, 0:23:23.280 --> 0:23:25.119 but I don't want it to sound like I'm insulting 0:23:25.160 --> 0:23:27.800 anybody's work because, like you know, I don't know. Let's 0:23:27.800 --> 0:23:31.080 heart's I just like I just it's a safe space. 0:23:31.160 --> 0:23:37.360 I just find more value in like spontaneous. That's why 0:23:37.400 --> 0:23:41.400 you do what you do. You like, Yeah, but documentarian shot, 0:23:41.920 --> 0:23:45.320 but like narrative films, the cinematography, I'm like, Okay, that's 0:23:45.359 --> 0:23:48.399 fucking rad. But if somebody sets up a photo, I'm like, 0:23:48.600 --> 0:23:51.600 that's not that cool. But if somebody sets up you 0:23:51.600 --> 0:23:54.320 know what I'm saying. I know what you mean. No, 0:23:54.760 --> 0:23:57.280 it's like there's so many amazing photographers that don't have 0:23:57.320 --> 0:23:59.199 an idea, Like they just have an idea of what 0:23:59.240 --> 0:24:01.040 they want they go and you know, they have like 0:24:01.600 --> 0:24:04.359 place and an idea that they're and that's and they 0:24:04.359 --> 0:24:06.640 have to represent that idea in the photo. That's when 0:24:06.640 --> 0:24:09.960 you get photos that are like you look at me, like, 0:24:09.960 --> 0:24:12.160 how the funk did that guy get that? Yeah, it's 0:24:12.200 --> 0:24:15.440 because he was the right place, right time. I didn't 0:24:15.440 --> 0:24:18.520 probably didn't have he didn't have specific photo in mind. Yeah, 0:24:18.560 --> 0:24:21.960 he just happened to you know, like I said, right place, 0:24:22.040 --> 0:24:27.080