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Speaker 1: you stand with on X, I'll tell you something interesting. Umah.

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Speaker 1: A couple of times I've expressed outrage, which you know,

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Speaker 1: that's what Americans do nowadays. It's express outrage all day long. Right,

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Speaker 1: I was expressing outrage about, uh, the fact that twenty

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Speaker 1: He says he's into this thing. He says, the thing

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Speaker 1: got big Rick Prisca Ricks into all this kind of

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Speaker 1: I mean, keep getting close to animals and taking pictures

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Speaker 1: This is a different podcast. But I appreciate what you're saying.

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Speaker 1: You like spontaneity, you like, yeah, okay, Seth like planning.

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Speaker 1: that's not black and white. Listen, No, I'll say this.

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Speaker 1: winds up being another way. I like the whole story.

424
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 1: All that being said, Okay, all that being said, if

425
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 1: I was king of the world, king of the universe,

426
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 1: one of the things I would do in my first

427
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 1: hundred days in office is I would say that state

428
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 1: do not need to release um I do not need

429
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 1: to release for Ford, for whatever. They don't need to release,

430
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 1: uh that kind of information in that way. Well this

431
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,880
Speaker 1: isn't there all kinds of other stuff that the government

432
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 1: does that we would have no possible way of getting information.

433
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 1: I would like to meet these aliens that you have

434
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 1: down there in Nevada. They're not gonna let meet those aliens. Yeah,

435
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 1: there's plenty of stuff that's held super tight, and we're

436
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 1: all freedom of information acts like where's our sealed team

437
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 1: six working right now? You''m gonna tell you, but not

438
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:44,360
Speaker 1: present time, but at some period classes. So yeah, so

439
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 1: so uh, I feel like we've been talking about this

440
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 1: way too long. I like the Arizona thing. I like

441
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:53,479
Speaker 1: the area. The only thing they don't have to give

442
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,959
Speaker 1: it away, the aliens thing in Arizona. No, no no, no, no.

443
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 1: The fact that an Arizona they don't need to read,

444
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:02,159
Speaker 1: that they don't need to issue GPS tracking data or

445
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 1: the state has the ability without it being too onerous

446
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: to like issue a version, to issue a version, and

447
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: that it wouldn't be like some super reliable thing. And

448
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 1: and I'm like a slippery slope kind of guy. I

449
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: believe in slippery slopes and you can imagine some situation

450
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 1: where someone would go and get uh, where someone would

451
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: go get like very specific data about a specific animal

452
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: and they give it over to him and it gives everybody.

453
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 1: It gives Hunters a black eye, right, some famous moves

454
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 1: and he's on National Geographic and whatever. Then also on

455
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 1: some some oil tycoon shoots the thing. The data gets out.

456
00:27:47,800 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 1: That's all all right, Jesse tell people, Well, Seth tell

457
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 1: people it's got skipped. Jesse, would you tell I want

458
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,880
Speaker 1: to hear Seths his his perspective on it first? Maybe

459
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 1: I'll pass to Jesse. What's the question Jesse to tell

460
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 1: people about his his special thing? He's cooking like literally

461
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,719
Speaker 1: right now, but I got cooking or metaphorically what's cooking?

462
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: But I want to first have Yeah, okay, explain the

463
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 1: dish you're making. Where you take the you know, basically

464
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 1: the leather. You take the leather off the outside of

465
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 1: a rib cage of a deer of deer's rib cage. Yeah,

466
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: basically everything south of the loine, the backstrap, from the

467
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 1: from the ribs all the way down to the belly

468
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: the stern hum take that off in one big rectangular piece.

469
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: You can either stuff it wanna. You're not getting to

470
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: the nearly the level of detail I'm looking for. Okay,

471
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 1: tell us, tell us where it starts, where it ends

472
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: east and west. You gotta skin. Got a skinned out here.

473
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 1: It's hanging behind legs up. Um, Well, let's know it's

474
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: put it on the table. It's it's horizontal. Uh. We're

475
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: gonna take the front legs off right at the shoulder blade.

476
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: And that's basically exposing that whole side. And when you

477
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: say that, you mean because I I got scolded for

478
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: doing this wrong. Oh yeah, don't don't cut through the

479
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: cartilage of the shoulder blades. Yeah, Like like when you

480
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 1: strip it. When you take the front leg off, when

481
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 1: you're doing your butcher and you take the front leg off,

482
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 1: you're cutting clean to the bone on the inside of

483
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: the leg. Anything on the the outside of the leg

484
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: stays with the shoulder. The inside of the leg is clean,

485
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 1: right clean to the bone. So all that meat that

486
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: lies under his armpit, right you want to leave that

487
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: stays on the carcass. Okay, Yeah, and then about probably

488
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: four or five six ribs back. You know, you don't

489
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: have to get too scientific about it, kind of draw

490
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 1: a big rectangle, go all the way down to the

491
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: hams where the kind of that flat meat is past

492
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: the ribs, and you take that all off in one

493
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: piece by running your knife real clean against those ribs

494
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: and try not to get any holes. If there's holes,

495
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 1: it doesn't really come out laying. You're like flaming it,

496
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: flaming the meat off. Yeah, you know, a smaller dough

497
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: or something that could get real tricky because you're not

498
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 1: gonna have a lot of meat to work with. It

499
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: could be half an inch thick there, but you just

500
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: take your time and you get that whole piece off

501
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 1: and it's a rough rectangle, maybe a parallelogram. And then

502
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: you mean, you say, a half inch that's just not

503
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: a quarter inch thick in places? Yeah it could be thin.

504
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: So but on a bigger, bigger buck, like saying the

505
00:30:52,680 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 1: one that clay shot, it's a little bit easier. Uh

506
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: for listeners at home, they just almost fist bumped. But

507
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: but I think are both of our collective wingstands are

508
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 1: just short of I wasn't going to commit fully to it.

509
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: I didn't want to distract you. Yeah. Uh so yeah,

510
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: and then you take that and you can you roll

511
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: it up from top to bottom, bottom to top, and

512
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: you got the grain running horizontally through there, so you

513
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 1: can stuff it, you know, like the recipe in my

514
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: first book where we stuff it with sausage and bread

515
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 1: crumbs and egg. Make a little stuffing out of that

516
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: and roll it and then you you cook the hell

517
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: out of I'm a backup, backup, sir. You gotta meat

518
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: cheat a meat sheet that's like cardboard thick at the

519
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: thinnest ye and and yate what dimensions eighteen inches eighteen

520
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: by twelve, eighteen by twelve meat sheet of stuff that

521
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: people would normally feed to the coyotes. Not normally many

522
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: would feed it to the coyotes. But you gotta meat

523
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 1: sheet towel by eighteen You then lay that out flat

524
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 1: and get specific with what I watched you do. Yeah,

525
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: well you're gonna make your I mean what we did,

526
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: but we got cooking right now. We we put some

527
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: bacon down, put some mustard down, we put some pickled

528
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: halle penios and some onions. So basically that's a kind

529
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: of a takeoff of German rulot, where they would be

530
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 1: the same thing, but instead of pickled halle penios, it

531
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: would just be like a kirk in or a corner

532
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 1: shawan still pickle. That's a good idea, man. Yeah, they

533
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: put some sar kraut in there. You can do that,

534
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: I mean, don't. I mean, this is just you gotta

535
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: thank Germany for that one. It's not me, but it's

536
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: it's delicious and it works with you know, as I'm

537
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: sure you know many different animals. And then you just

538
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: roll that up like a little piece of firewood, yeah,

539
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: into a into a log, and then tie it off,

540
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: you know, use some kitchen twine, go in and just

541
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: tie it every two or three inches. Yeah, it wants

542
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: up being a roll the size of a nice wall.

543
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: It looks like a backstrap. Roll up looks like it

544
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 1: looks like a back strap. Yeah the nice wall, I

545
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: metaphor is probably lost on us. Nice backstrap, nice backstrap

546
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: with little chunks of halloeen. This may be too difficult

547
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: to explain, you know, just with audio. But he spaced

548
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: out his ingredients in a specific way so that when

549
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: it rolled it, the ingredients fell in the right place.

550
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: I noticed that, Like, yeah, they were. They're kind of

551
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: in like a mound. Like you didn't you didn't spro

552
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: like a pizza. It wasn't like a pizza topping that

553
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: was spread all the way across. You had two rows separated.

554
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: Remember how he did it wrong and then changed his

555
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: mind and did it right. Yeah, any any rolls. The

556
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: longest part is where the role You roll it? Well,

557
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: you roll it from the twelve inch part. Help me here, Yeah,

558
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: you roll it from from top to bottom the eighteen

559
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: twy So the thing ends up being eighteen inches long. Yep.

560
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: So at this point, folks, Jesse has taken a knife

561
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 1: and he has flayed away all of the meat that

562
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:16,359
Speaker 1: sits outside of the ribs, plus flank and plus up

563
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 1: into the shoulder a little bit, and made a meat sheet.

564
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: Then he rubbed mustard. No, he puts salt. He laid

565
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 1: it out flat, put salt, He put pepper. He put

566
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 1: on a glove and rubbed mustard all over some bitch.

567
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: He put down bacon strips, He put down pickled hollow penos,

568
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 1: he picked, put down onions, raw onions. Then rolled it

569
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 1: up into a little backstrap shape like a giant twinkie.

570
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,839
Speaker 1: Would that be a jelly roll? A giant jelly roll?

571
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 1: And then tied it using that special little tie off

572
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 1: rose tie if not, And then there it is, and

573
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 1: we held it up commented how it seemed like a

574
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: fish or you held it a lot. I picked it

575
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: up four times, multiple times. I would set it down

576
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:11,879
Speaker 1: and go back and pick it up again. I liked

577
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 1: it so much. That's a nice Waite threatened to slap

578
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 1: clay with it. Talked with give him a meat slap um, okay,

579
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 1: and then then you're gonna do what uh We We

580
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: took a big Dutch oven and got it hot, and

581
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: we browned it off on all sides, and then just

582
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,280
Speaker 1: threw some onions in there. You threw that really good

583
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: talent in there too, yeah, yeah, yeah, you can definitely

584
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 1: use bear fat for that, yes, And and browned it

585
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: off real well, then threw some onions in there, and

586
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: then I just covered it with stock and uh I

587
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: put a little can of tomato in there too, And

588
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 1: it's just sitting out there similaring on the fire. Probably

589
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: needs to cook for about six hours. That's key. You

590
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 1: don't want to undercook that thing because it will get

591
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 1: a nice and tender and the beauty of the the

592
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: grain runs horizontally on it so that when you come

593
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 1: in and you cut the string off of it and

594
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: go and just cut it like you would logically, you're

595
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: cutting it against the grain, and so it should be supertender.

596
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: Does it stay together and look like a little cinnamon roll.

597
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 1: It'll stay together a little bit. Now if you've follow

598
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: the recipe that I have in my book where you

599
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 1: make this stuffing out of sausage and bread crumbs and eggs,

600
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: it stays together real well because that egg and the

601
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 1: protein and the sausage really binds it. And you get

602
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 1: this kind of roll situation. So it's a little and

603
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: it's bigger because you're putting way more bulk in there.

604
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:36,839
Speaker 1: But I kind of want to just you know, play

605
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 1: with a little bit and just try some different stuff

606
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 1: out with it, like it's this is less stuffing, So

607
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,919
Speaker 1: I guess absolutely, Huan. Don't get me started on crock pots.

608
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: I love them. You know what we were indo for

609
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: a long time a long time ago, meat sheets. No, uh,

610
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: we were into I'll tell you about this thing I bought.

611
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: I have one of those funnels and then you get

612
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: the mad net like imagine that. I don't know if

613
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: they still do this like now. No, when I was

614
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 1: a kid, my mom would bring home like, oh, pot

615
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 1: rolls from the grocery store. There would be in a net.

616
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: It would be like an inexpensive cut of meat in

617
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: an elasticy net. I bought a huge role of that

618
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: net on Sausage maker dot com, and I bought the

619
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: funnel in the funnel change. It's like a change. It

620
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: changed the shape to accommodate whatever you shove through it.

621
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: You stick the mesh net over the end of the funnel,

622
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: and then you cram whatever meat you got. Or like,

623
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:42,879
Speaker 1: let's say you make a pheasant. You want to Brian

624
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: and smoke a pheasant. You take the pheasant legs and

625
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 1: wings and ships sticking out every direction right and shove

626
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 1: it down through that funnel and then he pops into

627
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 1: that stretchy net and then he just all trusted up,

628
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: really pretty. It's like when you when you wrap up

629
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 1: a Christmas tree. Exactly. It's exactly like bringing a Christmas

630
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: tree home. Good job, seth. I've never had a net.

631
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: They didn't do that for Garrett where Garrett lived grown up,

632
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 1: they definitely didn't. It's a thing though. It helps you help. Yeah, okay,

633
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: so exactly like a Christmas tree. It's very nice. I

634
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 1: don't know why I got away from it. I still

635
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 1: keep I still have the thing in my meat closet. Uh, well,

636
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 1: good does it do? Like? It just freezes it like

637
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: in this nice tight shape. It's it's just it trusses everything.

638
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: But can you cook it in that net? Oh? Yeah? Okay,

639
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 1: so you cook it in the net made? I don't

640
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: know it's it's cotton, but there's something in it that

641
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: gives it an elastic quality too. It's food. Great, you

642
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about? Jesse. How how am I

643
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:54,359
Speaker 1: telling you about a thing you don't know about? Easily? Okay?

644
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: So uh yeah, but I feel it with like food stuff,

645
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: like based on your career, you do like you're always

646
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 1: like oh yeah, like I feel like, I mean, we

647
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 1: can't go too far into it. But there's like this,

648
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 1: there's there's geographic differences in in in meat cookery, like

649
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 1: in the in the North, there's like a lot more

650
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 1: You're really focused on the roasts. Uh and like like

651
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 1: I rounds, how is it a roast? When I say

652
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 1: a smoke duct or a smoke pheasant? Well you were

653
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: you were saying that originally, like you would get roast.

654
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 1: I haven't told you that story yet, so I'll tell

655
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 1: you now, okay, we would we were into this, we

656
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 1: would take a bear ham okay, and cut the bear off,

657
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: cut the ham off at the ball joint, and cut

658
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: the bear's ham off at the knee. Then open it

659
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: up on the inside of the leg and cleanly remove

660
00:39:50,840 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: the femur. Okay, then Bryant, Okay, then and you want

661
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: to put it back. Now it's like laid out like

662
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 1: a big thick book. Right, dry it off, Bryan it,

663
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: rinse it, dry it. Then this is what this is

664
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: the part I'm asking about. We would take gelatin, just

665
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: reggul old gelatin, powdered gelatin, and sprinkle powdered gelatin all

666
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 1: over the inside of that ham. Then roll it up

667
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: and shove it through the funnel into the mesh. Then

668
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 1: smoke it. Once you got done smoking it and it cooled,

669
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 1: you could remove the mesh and you had a football

670
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 1: that was a boneless, smoked bare ham that you could

671
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: slice and it would mostly be glued together. You know

672
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 1: about that? I mean that sounds effective, you like, but

673
00:40:55,280 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 1: also for like applause after that, good job, Real innovatives,

674
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 1: real innovative. No, we didn't come up with this. It

675
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 1: makes makes you buy all the parts at sausage maker

676
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 1: dot com. Yeah, why what's the U R L right there? Man?

677
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: I wish Why wouldn't you use other foods um like

678
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: Jesse did in the meat slapper sheet with the bear roast.

679
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 1: Why would you use that that jail stuff? Yeah that

680
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: was only two okay, because here's the problem. You'd open

681
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: it up. What are you doing you? You'd open it up?

682
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: And um, see, it threw me off. I'm like, I

683
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: look whever. He's not even like remotely engaged, does not

684
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:45,919
Speaker 1: even remotely engage what I'm talking. You should have said,

685
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 1: I'm looking up sausage sausage you're dot com or whatever.

686
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,320
Speaker 1: He doesn't have a headset. It's like, what's a fellow

687
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to do? Yeah, it throws me off. Man.

688
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: If I can't even hold the attention to people that

689
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 1: are sitting friends of mine that are sitting in the

690
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: same room, my god. So anyways, he um flustered. Yeah,

691
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: opens it up. And what Normally when you do this,

692
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: if you make a boneless smoked if you want to

693
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:21,240
Speaker 1: make a boneless smoked wild game ham, when you slice it,

694
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: it just falls back apart again. And this was a

695
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: way to try to get it to hold together. What

696
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: do you think when I tell you that, yes, it

697
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: sounds great, you don't judge it? What what would I?

698
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: What part would I judge? It's effective and delicious, and

699
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's cheating these the gelatine I'm asking.

700
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:42,879
Speaker 1: I'm asking you as a professor said I was cheating

701
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 1: when I was baker. No, I didn't say that. I

702
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 1: asked you what you're feeling was about? Uh okay as

703
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 1: a professional shop and a wild game enthusiast and all

704
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: point I've said it for I think that you like, Um,

705
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: you're my favorite wild game show. Thank you, Jesse Griffith.

706
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: Uh I was surprised to see you put bacon on

707
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: because um, people went down like a wild game bacon

708
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:19,879
Speaker 1: black hole or maybe it's used as a crutch. Yeah,

709
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: it's like wrap the tender loin and bacon everything like bacon,

710
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: this bacon, that baking, this bacon. But how much better

711
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: would it be for Jesse Griffith's to make something with bacon?

712
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: Well that made it, That made it that in my mind,

713
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 1: that's hold them like a super high standards. Well you

714
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: can think about it like how much as bacon allowed

715
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 1: people to enjoy their game more. M hm, you know.

716
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 1: I mean it's even if it's generous, well, I mean,

717
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: it's baby steps. I think that collectively, people have come

718
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: a long way as far as eating game. And if

719
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: if they got started by wrapping it and bacon, and

720
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 1: they're graduating two beyond bacon, then that's great. But maybe

721
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: they had to start there. You know, they need that

722
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: bacon to kind of saying out that hard edge of

723
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: the gamey flavors or whatever it was that they found

724
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 1: slightly distasteful about game, or at least make it have

725
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: a like a a flavor, recognizable flavor, you know, something

726
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 1: they're comfortable with. So I mean I think, you know, bacon,

727
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: bacon and an enabler, a gateway flavor. It's so good. Yeah,

728
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 1: like that. I forgot to add, um the in your thing?

729
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 1: Did I talk about you put down bacon and the

730
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: lad Yeah, we should call we should tell people the

731
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 1: name of this ruladon ud Yeah yeah. Yeah. It similar

732
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 1: to like bin laden with rude. Yeah. Yeah, it's like

733
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: a South Texas ruladon Um. Okay, Then I asked you

734
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:48,879
Speaker 1: about that. Then I told you about the gelat and thing.

735
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: We weren't sure where you're going with the bearham thing.

736
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 1: I just wanted his input. Okay, if this is like yeah,

737
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 1: like approval or like that stupid or maybe it'd be

738
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 1: like maybe maybe be like here's a better way to

739
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: do it, or or I'm gonna do that tomorrow. I don't.

740
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 1: I love that idea because I mean a boneless ham too,

741
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 1: and just yeah and going in and be able to

742
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 1: put it on a meat slicer and just get those

743
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: beautiful slices that don't fall apart. There's a lot of

744
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:18,919
Speaker 1: merit to that. Absolutely the bacon thing. I think, uh,

745
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,399
Speaker 1: I think what you said. I get what you said

746
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: about it being kind of a crutch, but I mean

747
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 1: it's kind of like he said, he said, Okay, it's

748
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: kind of like hating Lebron James because he's so awesome.

749
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,439
Speaker 1: I know you won't get that, but everyone else will.

750
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: Lebron James is the best basketball player like right now

751
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: in the NBA, arguably one of the best ever, and

752
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 1: people don't like him just for that. That is that

753
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 1: is the wild That is the bacon of wild game.

754
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: You know what I heard about Lebron James, heard about

755
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:54,800
Speaker 1: What's Up. Someone told me that I don't know the

756
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 1: layout of your house or yard or whatever. But someone

757
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 1: told me that between your house and something and is

758
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 1: archery targets and a basketball whop. And someone said, if

759
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:10,479
Speaker 1: they ain't shooting arrows or shooting bags, that's right, man,

760
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: that is right. I've got one son that's got a

761
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 1: tree stands set up like behind the basketball goal. And

762
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: I've got one son that is like eating up with

763
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 1: bo hunting right now, like he's probably bow hunting as

764
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: we speak. And my other son is uh a really

765
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 1: elite basketball player for his age, and he is he

766
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: is methodical, he has dedicated, he has disciplined. Ain't shooting

767
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 1: arrows or shooting bags. That's right, that's right, that's right.

768
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 1: Uh okay, So tell everybody about um, Tell about your

769
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:51,240
Speaker 1: first pick um and our magical sit at the water

770
00:46:51,280 --> 00:47:00,280
Speaker 1: hole where I got mauled by a variety of ticks species. Um.

771
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: So it's it seems it's it's pretty obviously the pigs

772
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 1: like the water around here. Every water and you go

773
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 1: to is all rooted up. Should we tell people where

774
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,840
Speaker 1: we are? No one even knows where we are at

775
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 1: we are, I can say the ranch can can? They

776
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 1: don't care? Go for it. We're we're in South Texas,

777
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: deep South Texas, um deep in the first home further south,

778
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 1: twelve miles from the coast, right, Yeah, we are. We're

779
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 1: close to the coast of the Gulf of Mexico. We're

780
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 1: so far south that the Gulf of Mexico is east

781
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 1: to here. Yeah, that's out south. Yea. Um, we're at

782
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 1: We're on the Yatura Hasien the Utura. I think it's

783
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: more about um. Yeah, it's one of it's one of

784
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 1: the greatest places ever. I think it's awesome. Um. But anyway,

785
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:01,840
Speaker 1: and there's a variety of b turious this is like

786
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: a portion of it. Yeah. It was used to be

787
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:07,359
Speaker 1: one big ranch, right, and they just got split up

788
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: over time. Founded in eight Yeah, they registered their cattle

789
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 1: brand in the eighteen fifties, three years ago, three years ago.

790
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: That's doing a great job. Great job. Well, I don't

791
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: know if Chris is gonna come in, and Chris is

792
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 1: gonna come I'm like setting him. I like a story

793
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 1: that has a like a like. This is a great setup.

794
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 1: This is for people with with who aren't afflicted by

795
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 1: a short attention span. Given a lot of praise, and

796
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 1: he's not done yet I like to set up. I

797
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,280
Speaker 1: feel like I'm reading a Russian novelist right now, go on, seth.

798
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 1: I'm riveted. So Steve and I set out yesterday afternoon

799
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 1: to go look for a pig, and we, um stop

800
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 1: this spot that it's like a flooded I don't know

801
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 1: if you can call it a pond. It's like grass

802
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 1: growing in it. It's kind of like a pond, just

803
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: like a flooded area. Three dozen uh teal in it. Yeah,

804
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 1: a bunch of teal um killed your running around have alina. Anyway,

805
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 1: so we we go in there and check the spot,

806
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: and um tell everybody about the menagerie of wildlife that

807
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 1: showed up. I was gonna I was gonna work that

808
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 1: in as I fell threw them off. You can't. You

809
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 1: can't micro manage that story. I'm sorry, I'm just gonna

810
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: shut up. So while we set out for a pig,

811
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 1: Clay set out for cal Neil guy, try to kill

812
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 1: him with the bow. No. Sooner do we get to

813
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 1: our our little pond and we see you call Neil guy.

814
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 1: So we told Clay about that. They came and check

815
00:49:56,239 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 1: that out. Ended up not working not working out, but um,

816
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 1: they as soon as they left. We we had been

817
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 1: sitting at the pond for a little bit, just glass

818
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: and seeing what's coming in. Um, are you are? I

819
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 1: don't want to. I know you're doing a great job

820
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: and you're gonna get to all this, but you are

821
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:21,800
Speaker 1: going to get to my uh my sixth cents the

822
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:25,840
Speaker 1: pig would show up. I think I said something to

823
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 1: the effect of, let's just sit here, and yeah, I

824
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: got a good feeling about it. Yeah, if Steve had

825
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 1: a great feeling about the spot. So uh, Clay and

826
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 1: Dirt left and we, um, we just get up to

827
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: move locations around this pond because Steve had such a

828
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 1: good feeling about it, we were gonna stay there. And uh,

829
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 1: almost like a premonisim. We stand up to move our

830
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 1: move our location and I don't know, we made it

831
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 1: fifty yards and I look up and there's a pig

832
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 1: standing out in the water and like Yanni's dad conjured him. Yeah,

833
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 1: and this is early afternoon's evening, early after we were

834
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 1: staring at this pigless pond. We turn away from the pond,

835
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: look back at the pond and there's a pig in it,

836
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:26,359
Speaker 1: in it and he got in there quick. Yeah, and

837
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:32,319
Speaker 1: they aided Steve's master radar. That's about it. Yeah, and

838
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 1: just yeah, just set up on it, made a poor shot,

839
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 1: and then made a good shot. Pig died, and uh

840
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 1: we took it back, took it back to the canam

841
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 1: got it, and then sat there the remainder of the

842
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 1: evening because Steve still at that point felt it was

843
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: a great spot to sit. So y'all sat there the

844
00:51:56,520 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 1: whole rest of the night got dark. Yeah, Hey, I

845
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 1: know Steve thinks you're doing a great job in this

846
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 1: story because there's a number of things he didn't tell. Well,

847
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 1: there's a big the rest of the evening. I want

848
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 1: to know how you feel about this. Where you were

849
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: you happy? I could I couldn't tell from this story though. No,

850
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: he's not an effusive man. I was very happy. Not

851
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 1: an effusive man. I feel sorry for his girlfriend. Not

852
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 1: an affectionate effusive man. Your pump, this is your this

853
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 1: is your first hog, this yet, this is Seth. I

854
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 1: was stoved board. It had nice color. It's a nice board.

855
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 1: You know what they I'll tell you, and I know

856
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 1: he's not done, but I'm gonna tell you interesting detail

857
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 1: about uh Seth and checking out the scene. I don't

858
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:50,319
Speaker 1: know why, but for some reason along half of this

859
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 1: pond there's like an old bit of hog wire fence,

860
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 1: like maybe at some point they want I don't get it.

861
00:52:54,880 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 1: Just it's like a dead end run down. Oh offense

862
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 1: didn't really make sense to me with like what six

863
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 1: inch square? Yeah, it's like it's woven wire, but like

864
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 1: it at some point it serves some purpose like sheep fence. Yeah,

865
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 1: like I think maybe to keep we'd call it hog

866
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 1: wire fans. Yeah, you're probably going to clarify how tall

867
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 1: that fence was though you're in Texas. Yeah, it was

868
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:24,840
Speaker 1: just a cattle fence. It was. It was like a

869
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 1: Neil guy damn near step over, well we want everything

870
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 1: was coming over. But but the point being my as

871
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 1: I was wondering what this was, I think it's a

872
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 1: remnant of my guess, is a remnant of someone. Uh,

873
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 1: when this water hole is super dry, maybe someone at

874
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 1: one point in time wanted to keep stuff out of it.

875
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 1: I don't know, I have no idea anyhow. Seth goes

876
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 1: over there and finds but there's a big hole in it,

877
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 1: and you could come from one direction, but you can't,

878
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 1: Like there's a fence block and not dude, good jock,

879
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 1: explain this. There's a fence sort of like cutting across

880
00:53:58,000 --> 00:53:59,800
Speaker 1: like a third of this pond for some reason, that

881
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 1: isn't there anymore. Um, and Seth found a hole and

882
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 1: and he's like, all that boar came through this hole.

883
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 1: But when he hit the boar and it ran, he

884
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 1: forgot about his hole. Yeah, and just tried tried getting

885
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 1: through the fence, but not where the hole, not where

886
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: the hole was off from the hole. And now I

887
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:24,839
Speaker 1: think about that. We couldn't see that hole from where

888
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,320
Speaker 1: we were first set up because I remember glass in

889
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 1: that fence. I never saw a hole. And that pig

890
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 1: was probably while we were staying there watching the pond.

891
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 1: He was probably making his way through that hole, but

892
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 1: there was just enough stuff to where we couldn't see

893
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 1: all overgrown brush one out, but it was where did

894
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 1: he when he got hit? He just bam into that

895
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 1: fence and then died like right there. Um, So we

896
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 1: get the pig got it, And then we haven't even

897
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:55,359
Speaker 1: got to the good part. Continue part. Oh, it's the coolest. Yeah,

898
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 1: this is a cool part. Um. We we go back

899
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 1: to the pond set up for the evening and we're

900
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 1: sitting there and all sorts of birds, ducks, A nice

901
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:12,320
Speaker 1: white tailed buck comes out, and then um, some have

902
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 1: Alina show up and there I don't when we first

903
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:19,840
Speaker 1: see him their price seventy yards away or so slowly

904
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 1: feeding towards us and uh, just slowly making their way

905
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 1: towards us, and this one decides it like he wants

906
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 1: to feed basically right where we are. And at one

907
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:37,280
Speaker 1: point it was I don't know, four ft five ft

908
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 1: from the end of my boot, so you could hear

909
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 1: him going. Yeah, even I took your video. I took

910
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 1: a video of I mean, you can hear him doing

911
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 1: that on the video. Hey, where you put that thing

912
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 1: on your Instagram? Yeah? Okay, so at what if the

913
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:55,880
Speaker 1: Begames signs at signs Underscore West, you should just do

914
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:58,839
Speaker 1: something more simple. I've looked into it. It's just like

915
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 1: not too a simple options avail to bully you about

916
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 1: your Instagram handle. Yeah, at app signs sign Score West,

917
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 1: you will find the Havilina we're talking about going. I'll

918
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 1: put it on one of my highlights. Yeah, all the

919
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 1: Texas highlights. The best thing is Seth gets back last

920
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:24,319
Speaker 1: night and he just starts talking about the Havilina, how

921
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:28,399
Speaker 1: much he loves him. Ever, the best thing is what

922
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 1: he's smacking his lips. So yeah, as he's feeding towards us,

923
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 1: he like eats something, walks through steps, eat something walks

924
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 1: through steps. And we observed him eating turkey ships. He

925
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 1: is in the video. You'll see you can see like

926
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 1: a big white turkey ship, and I'm like, what is

927
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 1: he doing that? I was like, what is he eating?

928
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:54,319
Speaker 1: Because he's just like love, just luxuriating, Like no, I'm

929
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 1: cleaning it up, man. And eventually, like Seth in his video,

930
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:01,400
Speaker 1: you'll see his white clear his day, like a white

931
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 1: turkey ship and he just walks over and he's like, yeah,

932
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 1: just we watched him eat probably five or six piles

933
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 1: of turkey ship. Yeah, it's just like that's his that's

934
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 1: the good stuff. Yeah. Then I I was thinking. I

935
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 1: told Steve was like, if you're a turkey hunter looking

936
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 1: for a sign in an area where there's havelna, you

937
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 1: might have troubles that he's ruining all the turkey sign Yeah. Yeah,

938
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 1: uh no, that was fun. And I was gonna say

939
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 1: to you at one point when he was like right

940
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 1: off the toy of your boot because he didn't, like,

941
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 1: I don't know, we weren't moving, so he didn't. But

942
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 1: even when they got down wind from ust, say, he's whatever,

943
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 1: he have helena. As you say, aren't that normal? I've

944
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 1: seen him like usually really a wary about these, aren't.

945
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I've never seen a havelena that you couldn't

946
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 1: like put a little effort into creeping up on somewhere another,

947
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 1: you know, because their vision is not great. But these

948
00:57:56,120 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 1: were like especially just like nonchalant. Oh yeah, Jesse's when

949
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 1: you got yours, that was yards. Oh yeah, I had

950
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 1: a run never mind, not related at all. Very different.

951
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:14,919
Speaker 1: They very different havelena. We're holding like dead nuts still. No,

952
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 1: I mean I really I shot that havelena and then

953
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 1: realized pretty quickly that I could have gotten a lot closer. Oh,

954
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 1: I got you. They were. They were pretty ambivalent to

955
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 1: our presence, even after one had been removed. Uh. The

956
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 1: interesting thing here too, that I found is interesting is

957
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 1: that the have elena, which are a native species, and

958
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 1: the pigs don't. Uh that they intermingle. Yeah, and honestly

959
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 1: I've never seen it until yesterday. Um, when we were

960
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 1: you know, you had just shot a pig and a

961
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 1: couple more started running and we and I'm glad that

962
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 1: we were able to identify because one of those was

963
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 1: I have Alena. Have Alena and two piglets, So yeah,

964
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 1: they were they were cruising together. Yeah, when I shot

965
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 1: my pig, there was halflan there too, But I mean

966
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 1: that might have been just happenstance because I mean it's

967
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 1: a big boar. I mean, I don't know why they

968
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 1: would kind of no, he just happened to show up.

969
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 1: But was they're not adversarial to each other. Yeah, yeah,

970
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 1: but I mean like pigs and deer don't really congregate together.

971
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 1: That pigs usually run the deer off, um if there's

972
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 1: like a food source there. But I imagine the hevelins

973
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:28,919
Speaker 1: and the pigs maybe tolerate each other. Pigs run white

974
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 1: tails off, they will, yes, yeah, usually there was There

975
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 1: was three deer with the pig I saw yesterday afternoon,

976
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 1: and when the pig came in, the deer became alert

977
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 1: and then just mosey away and the pig went right

978
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:58,959
Speaker 1: where the deer were just kind of pushed him out. Claim.

979
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 1: The next thing I'd like to cover is could you

980
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 1: tell people the story of when you were a kid

981
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 1: it's a great story. Yeah, yeah, I can. I was, man,

982
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 1: I always get nervous when I get on the spot

983
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 1: for telling a story that I was with my cousin.

984
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 1: We're hunting on public land in Arkansas, and we, uh

985
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 1: we found an acron tree that had a bunch of

986
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 1: hogs on and I told my cousin, I said, let's

987
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 1: put up let's put up two tree stands, and let's

988
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 1: uh but two tree stands, let's try to kill two

989
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 1: hogs at the same time. And uh we did, and

990
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 1: two hogs came in. And the deal was is that

991
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 1: he was gonna shoot. I was gonna shoot a big

992
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 1: boar if one came in. That was my deal with him, said,

993
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 1: if one comes in, I'm shooting a big boar. Because

994
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:51,480
Speaker 1: he was he he he didn't have any skin in

995
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:53,680
Speaker 1: the game, you know, he was just the invited games.

996
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:55,920
Speaker 1: You found the l tree well, and I was trying

997
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 1: that My goal was to kill a big hog. And

998
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 1: so we found this wide public land in Arkansas, found

999
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:04,480
Speaker 1: a wild dropping acorns, pig sign, hang two tree stands

1000
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 1: in the dark. Set in the stand. Thirty minutes after daylight,

1001
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 1: a very nice tusk bore comes in. You can see

1002
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 1: his white tusks. A sal And seven shows about his

1003
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 1: you know, let's just say they were of you know,

1004
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:27,439
Speaker 1: decent size. Can you dwell on shows? Show? A show

1005
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 1: is just a young hog? How have I never heard

1006
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 1: that word till now? Don't come from the north. Probably

1007
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 1: we don't have any well yeah, I mean yeah, you

1008
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:39,440
Speaker 1: could say pig. But a show show O U T.

1009
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 1: Wait no, no no, no, no, no no, I'm sorry show Yeah

1010
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 1: s h O T showed h O A T show

1011
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 1: so real every day, really nice? Four sal and seven

1012
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 1: shows come in and uh, we've we could have done

1013
01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 1: this a couple of times. Incidental. Why would the boar

1014
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 1: be with the side that was I don't see that

1015
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 1: real common She's probably in heat. Yeah, those shows were

1016
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:11,920
Speaker 1: probably of sized about to be weaned, you know. And

1017
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 1: so the board comes in, and what you do when

1018
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:16,560
Speaker 1: you're trying to get a double on a boat kill.

1019
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 1: It's real interesting because we needed both hogs as we

1020
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 1: turned just right at the same time. So we both

1021
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 1: draw and you know, he would go hogs good and

1022
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 1: I would go wait, wait, wait, wait wait wait? How

1023
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:32,920
Speaker 1: far a part of these two stands were side by

1024
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:38,560
Speaker 1: side block off. I thought you were side by side,

1025
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:40,920
Speaker 1: and so you know, his pig would turn can I

1026
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:44,439
Speaker 1: uh the old double up the old double up off

1027
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 1: and leaves that no one get nothing. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1028
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:53,680
Speaker 1: and so the pig, you know, we we went back

1029
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:56,800
Speaker 1: and forth probably three or four times, and finally both

1030
01:02:56,880 --> 01:03:00,200
Speaker 1: of them turned just right, and so fuck we we

1031
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 1: we knew what we're gonna do. We're gonna shoot on three,

1032
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 1: you know, one two shoot. You know, a guy rode in, um,

1033
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:10,680
Speaker 1: a military sniper wrote in and they have like a

1034
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 1: thing they do like you're going like um, like I

1035
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 1: say red, no if I'm good, I go green. Okay,

1036
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:25,080
Speaker 1: I go green. You go red if you're no good,

1037
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 1: And there's a there's a cadence to it. So I

1038
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 1: go green, you're red, Then you go green, and then

1039
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 1: it's like I go green red, and then somehow like

1040
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:39,680
Speaker 1: I go green, I say green, you say green, and

1041
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:44,640
Speaker 1: then there's a thing and then it's shoot or something

1042
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:46,880
Speaker 1: to that effect. I can't remember this situation. He was

1043
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:49,920
Speaker 1: suggesting that for these situations, this situation that is the

1044
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 1: weak link of the plan. I mean, you know, you

1045
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:56,240
Speaker 1: gotta have this dial before this works. But we had

1046
01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:59,080
Speaker 1: it pretty dialed, and so finally they turned just right.

1047
01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:01,360
Speaker 1: And I mean, these pigs are like ten yards from us,

1048
01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:04,640
Speaker 1: and we're probably eighteen feet in the air. Maybe maybe

1049
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:09,360
Speaker 1: look we're probably fifteen ft. We both shoot back. I

1050
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:11,600
Speaker 1: hit the board right behind the shoulder. I was like

1051
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:14,960
Speaker 1: nineteen and I can give some archery intail after this.

1052
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:17,200
Speaker 1: But I hit this pig right where I'm am and

1053
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 1: right behind the shoulder. My cousin misses. Okay, he misses

1054
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 1: the south, and uh, you know, my pig does just

1055
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:25,800
Speaker 1: what you think he'd do. He kind of squalled and

1056
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 1: just they take off well directly. You know. We're high five,

1057
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:33,000
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh man, I'm sorry you missed. He's

1058
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:38,200
Speaker 1: like awesome shot, you know, directly. And and I told

1059
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 1: the story yesterday instead it was an hour. It may

1060
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:44,680
Speaker 1: have been fifteen minutes, some period of time extended. And

1061
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:51,800
Speaker 1: we hear pigs grunting, and so yeah, we hear pigs grunting,

1062
01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:54,720
Speaker 1: and I go mad. There's some pigs coming back in here,

1063
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 1: and we look up and it's the south and the

1064
01:04:57,440 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 1: seven shows coming right back in, same ones, exact same ones.

1065
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:04,800
Speaker 1: And so we've already killed. We've already got a big

1066
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:07,280
Speaker 1: board that we've got to go track and my cousin.

1067
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 1: You know, he didn't, he wasn't too worried about it.

1068
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:11,560
Speaker 1: And I said, why don't you just shoot one of

1069
01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:13,640
Speaker 1: those shots and you can just take it home and

1070
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:17,440
Speaker 1: be good eating. Shoot one of those showts. So he

1071
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:25,720
Speaker 1: rears back and shoots that showed and he hits. He

1072
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:30,320
Speaker 1: hits right in the butt. Okay, the pig starts squealing,

1073
01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:40,040
Speaker 1: I mean, just absolute to him. How seth squeal audio experience.

1074
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:45,640
Speaker 1: Hog has a very you know, they're that's a good. Yeah,

1075
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:50,000
Speaker 1: pig starts squealing. Pigs starts squealing in a in a

1076
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:53,720
Speaker 1: in all pigs boar styles have a strong protective mechanism,

1077
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:56,720
Speaker 1: I mean, like a fight response to protecting they're young.

1078
01:05:57,000 --> 01:06:00,680
Speaker 1: So the sald just starts spinning circles around pig, trying

1079
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 1: to figure out what's hurting it, you know, and nothing happens.

1080
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:07,919
Speaker 1: The pig just keeps squealing. Well, finally, I mean we're

1081
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:09,960
Speaker 1: you know, this is just chaos, you know, and the

1082
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:14,280
Speaker 1: pig is not going anywhere though directly we hear I

1083
01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:20,959
Speaker 1: hear a noise that I had never heard of my life. Yeah,

1084
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:23,040
Speaker 1: it was. It wasn't a grunt, I mean, it was

1085
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:32,040
Speaker 1: an aggressive just that's yea, and I hear something. I

1086
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 1: hear something crashing up the mountain and I look up

1087
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:41,760
Speaker 1: and there is another big hog, big teeth, big hair.

1088
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:45,480
Speaker 1: I mean, just like, holy cow, here here comes another one.

1089
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:48,080
Speaker 1: I grabbed another era. I said, I'm gonna shoot that sucker.

1090
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:51,840
Speaker 1: He came in and gave the one of the most

1091
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:56,440
Speaker 1: awesome displays I've ever seen in the wild, you know,

1092
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:58,720
Speaker 1: out in the wilderness of a of an animal. I mean,

1093
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 1: he came in to kill something. He came in to

1094
01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:04,600
Speaker 1: fight whatever was hurting that show. And he comes in

1095
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:07,600
Speaker 1: bouncing around looking for whatever it is, and I rare

1096
01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:10,919
Speaker 1: back and I just put it right where I did

1097
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:14,880
Speaker 1: on the other one. Fu fam nails him and he

1098
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:17,200
Speaker 1: doesn't even run off for a second, like he thinks,

1099
01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:19,480
Speaker 1: whatever's got that show, it's now got me. And he

1100
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:22,680
Speaker 1: spends circles looking for what's hurting him, and finally he

1101
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:27,000
Speaker 1: realized something's bad wrong, and he takes off down the mountain.

1102
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:32,160
Speaker 1: By this time, the show is is is expired. All

1103
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:34,680
Speaker 1: the pigs cleared out, and me and my cousin are

1104
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:36,440
Speaker 1: high five, and you know, I was like, man, I

1105
01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:40,120
Speaker 1: just killed two big boars, ten ring them, and he's

1106
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:42,320
Speaker 1: like man, I got this show. I mean, we're excited

1107
01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:45,480
Speaker 1: that we get out of the tree and I go, Man,

1108
01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:48,160
Speaker 1: which one should we track first? We track, you know,

1109
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:50,760
Speaker 1: and obviously we tracked the first one that I shot.

1110
01:07:51,640 --> 01:07:54,600
Speaker 1: So we start blood trailing. Good blood from the start, Man,

1111
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:59,160
Speaker 1: start blood trailing down the mountain, and the and the

1112
01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:03,400
Speaker 1: blood trail starts to suspiciously make a make a hook

1113
01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:06,480
Speaker 1: and starts kind of going back towards the towards the

1114
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:09,400
Speaker 1: tree stand, and I go, huh, he didn't go where

1115
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:11,800
Speaker 1: I thought he'd go. And then that blood trail comes

1116
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:15,320
Speaker 1: right back up to the tree stand. And I shot

1117
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:20,960
Speaker 1: the same pig twice. That was at eight o'clock in

1118
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:24,200
Speaker 1: the morning. We go to blood trailing that hog. He

1119
01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:28,920
Speaker 1: made a second loop and almost went the second part

1120
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:31,719
Speaker 1: of the trail paralleled like that. We jumped that hog

1121
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:34,200
Speaker 1: alive at three o'clock in the afternoon in a pine thicket.

1122
01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:36,439
Speaker 1: I jumped him and he was probably four yards in

1123
01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:38,320
Speaker 1: front of me, and there was a pool of blood

1124
01:08:38,320 --> 01:08:40,639
Speaker 1: about as big as a tea spoon in his bed.

1125
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:44,200
Speaker 1: And here here's the here's what you can learn from it. Okay,

1126
01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:48,960
Speaker 1: this was back when the mechanical broadheads were just getting started,

1127
01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:52,680
Speaker 1: and me and Dad were using wasp jackhammers and for

1128
01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:56,479
Speaker 1: white tails they were incredible, incredible, So I was I

1129
01:08:56,520 --> 01:09:00,240
Speaker 1: was shooting a sixty five pound high country uh with

1130
01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:04,800
Speaker 1: wasp mechanical broadheads, which is just a bad thing. Well,

1131
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:08,960
Speaker 1: because these these expandable heads are designed to give you know,

1132
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:11,400
Speaker 1: in a in a situation where you're trying to kill

1133
01:09:11,400 --> 01:09:14,799
Speaker 1: an animal with a bow, an expandable broad head opens

1134
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:17,840
Speaker 1: when it hits the animal, the blades extend and it

1135
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:21,400
Speaker 1: sucks up a lot of the momentum energy of the arrow.

1136
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:25,000
Speaker 1: So it it's not it doesn't penetrate as well. You know,

1137
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:32,760
Speaker 1: two blade broadheads prioritize penetration, Uh, expandable head prioritizees cutting diameter.

1138
01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:36,759
Speaker 1: And so basically I hit that board right behind the shield,

1139
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:39,439
Speaker 1: which seth and I we all saw the card lige

1140
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:41,960
Speaker 1: shields that these big boars have, which is the way

1141
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:45,800
Speaker 1: they protect themselves. When just smacked him, I mean right

1142
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:47,640
Speaker 1: behind the shoulder. I mean it would have tendering to

1143
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:52,160
Speaker 1: a white tail, and uh, I got I mean a

1144
01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:54,400
Speaker 1: fair amount of penetration. I mean he ran off with

1145
01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:58,040
Speaker 1: air sticking out of him, you know. Um and uh,

1146
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:00,360
Speaker 1: but that that shields sucked the wind it out of

1147
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:02,240
Speaker 1: that broad Yeah, I just didn't get any penetry. And

1148
01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:04,519
Speaker 1: this is a big hog. This is a at least

1149
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:07,680
Speaker 1: a two fifty pound hogs now, and I had the

1150
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:11,280
Speaker 1: exact same thing happened on a much much bigger hog

1151
01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:15,360
Speaker 1: when I was seventeen. Did you recover that hog? No,

1152
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:18,920
Speaker 1: I learned real quick. At three. I had three incidences

1153
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:21,720
Speaker 1: with mechanical heads and then all of a sudden we're like, oh,

1154
01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:26,120
Speaker 1: you can't shoot those with hogs. So well, last night

1155
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:30,600
Speaker 1: Clay uh was sitting there waiting. Yeah, pig came to

1156
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:34,080
Speaker 1: a water hole and he went up and deliberately shot

1157
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:37,760
Speaker 1: it back behind the shield. Yeah. Well so and we

1158
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:39,760
Speaker 1: went after dark and found that thing dead I don't

1159
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:43,200
Speaker 1: know fifty yards. Yeah, you know, somebody asked me today,

1160
01:10:44,120 --> 01:10:46,360
Speaker 1: and I'll to be honest with you, I don't know

1161
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:49,000
Speaker 1: the answer to it. Why did that pig die so quick?

1162
01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:52,080
Speaker 1: All I know is that, well, the story was is

1163
01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:54,080
Speaker 1: that this pig came into a water hole. We were

1164
01:10:54,160 --> 01:10:57,840
Speaker 1: hunting some nil guy. We had nil goat on the

1165
01:10:57,880 --> 01:11:02,200
Speaker 1: pond that we were hunting. While the neil guy were there,

1166
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:04,160
Speaker 1: they were out of range and the nil guy are

1167
01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:11,000
Speaker 1: extremely spooky, wary critters, and a pig came walking down

1168
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:12,719
Speaker 1: to the pond in between us and the nil guy.

1169
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:15,360
Speaker 1: We decided to do a soft spook on the nil

1170
01:11:15,439 --> 01:11:19,639
Speaker 1: guy because to try to go stalk this pig, because

1171
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:21,760
Speaker 1: the nil guy I wasn't gonna kill. I just didn't

1172
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:24,240
Speaker 1: think we'd get to him. And so, yeah, I was

1173
01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:26,639
Speaker 1: getting dark quick, and so I took my hat off

1174
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:29,360
Speaker 1: and just kind of waved it like this, and those

1175
01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:32,680
Speaker 1: nil guys, you know, saw us, and then we just

1176
01:11:32,760 --> 01:11:35,920
Speaker 1: kind of started moving away from the nil guy and

1177
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:39,719
Speaker 1: they just kind of trotted off, and then we turned

1178
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:41,519
Speaker 1: and went just right to this pig and he was

1179
01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:44,240
Speaker 1: just in the perfect spot to be stalked. I got

1180
01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:47,600
Speaker 1: to within probably fourteen yards of the pig. His his

1181
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:50,599
Speaker 1: butt was facing me. The wind is in my face,

1182
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:52,920
Speaker 1: and I mean I pretty much just walked up to

1183
01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:55,640
Speaker 1: this thing. I got within fourteen yards of it. On

1184
01:11:55,640 --> 01:12:02,320
Speaker 1: the ground, it turns broadside, perfectly broadside, and uh ah,

1185
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:06,640
Speaker 1: aimed back at least a foot from the shoulder and

1186
01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:10,160
Speaker 1: just put it right through. I mean, it was I

1187
01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:12,000
Speaker 1: would have thought it got liver, but I'm not even

1188
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:13,760
Speaker 1: sure that it did. But I mean, how far the

1189
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:17,200
Speaker 1: pig runs, Steve, he went fifty yards was dead or

1190
01:12:17,200 --> 01:12:22,640
Speaker 1: and dead. Yeah, so what killed that pig? I'm not

1191
01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:26,200
Speaker 1: entirely sure. I mean that because I mean the the

1192
01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:30,519
Speaker 1: from the diph ram forward with lung's heart wasn't even touched.

1193
01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:33,599
Speaker 1: But he went down quick and he didn't bleed a drop.

1194
01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:35,559
Speaker 1: I mean, he didn't even have that much blood in

1195
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:38,600
Speaker 1: this cavity when we got it him. Kind of a mystery.

1196
01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:42,599
Speaker 1: But did you guys ever figure what killed your big

1197
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:46,360
Speaker 1: bucks so quick? Is waszard like a theory? Well, now

1198
01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:50,520
Speaker 1: that that one's easier, we can get it, we can

1199
01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:53,920
Speaker 1: talk about. But I mean that was just a cavity shot.

1200
01:12:54,240 --> 01:12:56,960
Speaker 1: I mean, like if you're shooting an animal and you're

1201
01:12:57,560 --> 01:13:01,080
Speaker 1: projectile point of whatever you're shooting is getting inside, you know,

1202
01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:04,599
Speaker 1: on the north side of the diaphragm, which the diaphragm

1203
01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:08,519
Speaker 1: is like the muscle that is behind the lungs and

1204
01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:11,479
Speaker 1: heart that separates it from the gut. If you're poking

1205
01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:15,439
Speaker 1: something inside of there, I think you cut the hoses

1206
01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:17,880
Speaker 1: coming out of the heart. Yeah. With the deer, we're

1207
01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:20,439
Speaker 1: talking about a different animal. Now you hit the lungs too.

1208
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:23,000
Speaker 1: On the deer, Yeah, I was looking at the long

1209
01:13:23,479 --> 01:13:26,800
Speaker 1: there was. He lost blood blood pressure pretty quick. Yes,

1210
01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:33,000
Speaker 1: he went down super quick. Tell people about the um

1211
01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:38,240
Speaker 1: the I think it's called the Jesse Griffiths to cut

1212
01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:43,000
Speaker 1: three strip boar hide skinning method. Skinning. Yeah, on these

1213
01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:45,720
Speaker 1: big boars where you get down, you know, behind the

1214
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:49,400
Speaker 1: shoulder where you got that that shield and that high

1215
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:51,680
Speaker 1: when you're pulling it down, we'll start to hang up

1216
01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:53,840
Speaker 1: and it kind of it'll just it'll stick up at

1217
01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:57,800
Speaker 1: an angle. Explain the shield. It's a it's it's this

1218
01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:00,280
Speaker 1: kind of I don't want to call it fat. It's

1219
01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:03,639
Speaker 1: not Fat's not cartilage. It's this it's very rubbery, dense

1220
01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:08,960
Speaker 1: um subcutaneous layer. And I've seen it up to maybe

1221
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:13,360
Speaker 1: four inches thick. It's like freaking raw hide. Man. It's

1222
01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:17,160
Speaker 1: like it's tough. It's tough on everything. It's tough on bullets, stuff,

1223
01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:19,800
Speaker 1: on arrows. I don't hand knives. I don't handle enough

1224
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:23,439
Speaker 1: pigs where I forget about it. Yeah, like every whatever

1225
01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:25,320
Speaker 1: years and I go to skin and boarl, I'm like,

1226
01:14:25,439 --> 01:14:30,240
Speaker 1: holy shit, what is this stuff? Yeah, it's kinds different too.

1227
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:31,960
Speaker 1: I mean some are worse than others. You see, you

1228
01:14:32,240 --> 01:14:34,800
Speaker 1: can see them like real bad on some and I

1229
01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:36,240
Speaker 1: mean I think a lot of it. Like like Clay

1230
01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:37,880
Speaker 1: was saying, it's like, you know, they fight a lot,

1231
01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:39,719
Speaker 1: and they go head to head, and so they're hitting

1232
01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:44,880
Speaker 1: each other's shoulders with their with their cutters. You know,

1233
01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:46,559
Speaker 1: that's where those you know, when they go when they

1234
01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:48,760
Speaker 1: bump head to head, that's where they're hitting is right

1235
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:51,600
Speaker 1: there in their shoulders. So they've developed it's almost like

1236
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:56,120
Speaker 1: a scar tissue. Um it's just very thick, dense. It's

1237
01:14:56,200 --> 01:14:59,080
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like if it was you know, I

1238
01:14:59,080 --> 01:15:01,400
Speaker 1: would like an it to like rubber, like a real

1239
01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:05,160
Speaker 1: thick sheet of rubbers. It's very hard. But when you're

1240
01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:08,559
Speaker 1: skinning it, it's just the high just it makes it

1241
01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:11,360
Speaker 1: stand at an angle. And so if you are if

1242
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:13,519
Speaker 1: you're looking at the hog, and so you got it

1243
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:17,080
Speaker 1: hanging by its back legs with its back to you,

1244
01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:19,599
Speaker 1: not its belly, but it's back to you, you separate

1245
01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:25,240
Speaker 1: that high into three strips, three vertical strips, and what

1246
01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:27,200
Speaker 1: that does is take some of that pressure off and

1247
01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:30,240
Speaker 1: then you're able to just skin those strips out individually

1248
01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:33,439
Speaker 1: from the hind legs all the way to the head.

1249
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:37,640
Speaker 1: Like imagine that you made your gutting incision. Yeah, but

1250
01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:40,599
Speaker 1: then you turn them and do a gutting incision down

1251
01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:44,519
Speaker 1: either loin. Yeah yeah, down the outside of either loin.

1252
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:49,240
Speaker 1: So now it's like he's slit crotch to throw, but

1253
01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:52,000
Speaker 1: now he's slit like whatever the hill. Yeah, it's like

1254
01:15:52,040 --> 01:15:55,160
Speaker 1: three three sections the left side, the right side, and

1255
01:15:55,200 --> 01:15:58,719
Speaker 1: then just right down the back. Uh you know, along

1256
01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:01,680
Speaker 1: a little bit wider in the backstraps. But I mean

1257
01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:03,320
Speaker 1: it doesn't really matter. It's not a science tip. But

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01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:05,360
Speaker 1: what you're doing is just alleviating that pressure a little bit,

1259
01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:08,040
Speaker 1: and you're and then you're able to push down apply

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01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:11,200
Speaker 1: downward pressure with your non cutting hand while you're skinning,

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01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:13,160
Speaker 1: and just get that knife and just do it stripped

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01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:15,720
Speaker 1: by strip. It makes a world of difference. Yeah, it's

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01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:18,120
Speaker 1: a lot easier. It's a good trick, you know, for

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01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:20,639
Speaker 1: those that want to clean a big boar. It's not

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01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:22,439
Speaker 1: not for everybody. But I think all the boars that

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01:16:22,479 --> 01:16:25,479
Speaker 1: we got this uh this trip, they seem to be

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01:16:25,479 --> 01:16:28,280
Speaker 1: pretty good. They smelled real good. I think they're gonna

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01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:32,160
Speaker 1: eat well or any better. Probably that south the skinniest

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01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:36,080
Speaker 1: pig I've ever seen in my life. Uh, keep telling

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01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:39,400
Speaker 1: everybody about your book, your hog book. Yeah, yeah, it's Uh,

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01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:41,920
Speaker 1: can I endorse it first or you gonna endorse it

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01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:43,840
Speaker 1: after you tell everybody? I mean, I don't know if

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01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:51,559
Speaker 1: you want it doors. I mean, well, I'll say this that, Um,

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01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:54,360
Speaker 1: I feel like you you probably this is this is

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01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:57,479
Speaker 1: gonna be This is a bold but fair statement. There's

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01:16:57,479 --> 01:17:03,760
Speaker 1: probably no one that knows more about wild wild hog cooking, right,

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01:17:04,240 --> 01:17:06,240
Speaker 1: there's probably no one that knows more about cooking wild

1278
01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:08,639
Speaker 1: hogs in you. I mean, on the face of the earth.

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01:17:08,920 --> 01:17:11,439
Speaker 1: I doubt that. Um, who who I mean, I don't

1280
01:17:11,479 --> 01:17:14,960
Speaker 1: know who that person is. Probably you know, some some

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01:17:15,040 --> 01:17:17,559
Speaker 1: old old guy. Because you deal with them. You deal

1282
01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:19,920
Speaker 1: him as a hunter, you deal with him as a

1283
01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:23,519
Speaker 1: professional chef. You buy the sons of bitches, you sell

1284
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:27,040
Speaker 1: the sons of bitches. It's true. I enjoyed you. I mean,

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01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:31,160
Speaker 1: I'm stealing it. You called me the hog apologist. Yeah,

1286
01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:34,360
Speaker 1: I love that. I love well. Yeah, Jesse had criticized

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01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:36,720
Speaker 1: one of our pigs, and I'm like, if Jesse criticizes

1288
01:17:36,760 --> 01:17:41,160
Speaker 1: a pig, it's got real problems. Yeah, because he celebrates

1289
01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:43,200
Speaker 1: as I try to make a case for him. I

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01:17:43,240 --> 01:17:47,920
Speaker 1: love him. I love those things. That South. I felt

1291
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:50,559
Speaker 1: I felt a little bad for that South, Like, you know,

1292
01:17:51,439 --> 01:17:53,439
Speaker 1: she was out at noon, and I just I mean,

1293
01:17:54,200 --> 01:17:56,160
Speaker 1: I have a real I have a real soft spot

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01:17:56,200 --> 01:17:58,240
Speaker 1: for all animals. I mean I really do. I still do.

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01:17:58,320 --> 01:18:00,320
Speaker 1: I get sad. And I felt a little add for

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01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:06,280
Speaker 1: that South, even though actively endorsed you killing her. But

1297
01:18:06,439 --> 01:18:08,280
Speaker 1: I just I feel, like, you know, it's like, it's

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01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:11,960
Speaker 1: such a tough life to be a female wild pig.

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01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:14,080
Speaker 1: I mean, she's down to two piglets, who knows how

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01:18:14,120 --> 01:18:17,719
Speaker 1: many she started out with. And I and I'm gonna

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01:18:17,880 --> 01:18:20,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna project this. I assume that you hate the

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01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:24,600
Speaker 1: personification of animals, but I'm gonna do this anyway. Um,

1303
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:28,000
Speaker 1: but I imagine anthro morphs. Yes, yes, So, I mean

1304
01:18:28,040 --> 01:18:31,800
Speaker 1: at some point yesterday, those piglets were like, Mommy, we

1305
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:33,800
Speaker 1: want to go. We want to go getting the mud

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01:18:33,800 --> 01:18:36,280
Speaker 1: by the pond. And she's like, it's noon, we can't

1307
01:18:36,280 --> 01:18:37,680
Speaker 1: go to the pond. And they're like, we want to go,

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01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:40,120
Speaker 1: and say finally annoyed her until she went to the pond.

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01:18:40,439 --> 01:18:43,400
Speaker 1: I don't think it's actually happened. I don't think this

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01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:47,280
Speaker 1: actually happened there. And she goes to the the damn pond.

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01:18:47,439 --> 01:18:53,160
Speaker 1: And you know it was I mean strong anthrophis I

1312
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:56,760
Speaker 1: think that that did happen. Yeah, and they went where

1313
01:18:56,920 --> 01:19:00,720
Speaker 1: daddy Daddy not love us playing on. Maybe he had

1314
01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:05,640
Speaker 1: the pond, and so they went to the pond. And

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01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:09,360
Speaker 1: you know, and now they you know, those snotty little piglets,

1316
01:19:09,439 --> 01:19:15,479
Speaker 1: you know, now they're orphans. Anyway, it's everything he's saying.

1317
01:19:15,479 --> 01:19:18,439
Speaker 1: It's so true. They had to go. They just wanted

1318
01:19:18,479 --> 01:19:20,680
Speaker 1: some whatever that was in the mud that well, we

1319
01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:26,160
Speaker 1: tried to get them too, or that. I endorsed that heavily.

1320
01:19:26,320 --> 01:19:28,760
Speaker 1: You know. Uh. In fact, in our pasta last night,

1321
01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:31,800
Speaker 1: we a that was a six pound pig that was

1322
01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:36,599
Speaker 1: in there. Yeah, live weight. Yeah. Uh So, I mean

1323
01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:39,600
Speaker 1: I endorsed the taking of all hogs. I still have

1324
01:19:39,640 --> 01:19:42,040
Speaker 1: a little bit of a sauce PoTA, but I mean

1325
01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:43,880
Speaker 1: back to the notion, I mean, I appreciate that, and

1326
01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:47,160
Speaker 1: I'm I I like celebrating pigs, and I appreciate what

1327
01:19:47,200 --> 01:19:50,120
Speaker 1: they are as far as as a resource. And I

1328
01:19:50,160 --> 01:19:54,040
Speaker 1: think that people they underutilize them. And and uh, I

1329
01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:57,400
Speaker 1: mean I like I said, I think we need to

1330
01:19:57,479 --> 01:20:01,479
Speaker 1: kill um a vast majority of them. And I support that.

1331
01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:04,840
Speaker 1: But at the same time, uh, maintaining some respect for

1332
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:09,559
Speaker 1: them as animals. That's super important. But I love looking

1333
01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:12,440
Speaker 1: at each individual hog and you know, doing the assessments,

1334
01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:15,439
Speaker 1: you know, and all the boards look good. That Sally, Yeah,

1335
01:20:15,479 --> 01:20:19,200
Speaker 1: she was most drawn down, Uh pig I've ever seen

1336
01:20:19,320 --> 01:20:21,920
Speaker 1: she was. She was just skin and bones. You know

1337
01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:23,920
Speaker 1: how we did the where where you can go to

1338
01:20:24,040 --> 01:20:27,400
Speaker 1: signs Underscore West and see the Heavelina eating Turkey ship

1339
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:32,000
Speaker 1: under Seth booty. Uh, if you go to at Steven Ronnella,

1340
01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:36,719
Speaker 1: I will post a episode of my new show called

1341
01:20:36,920 --> 01:20:42,400
Speaker 1: Jesse Griffith's Is Your Hog, And it's Jesse grif Is

1342
01:20:42,439 --> 01:20:44,600
Speaker 1: giving Clay a walk through of his hog and what

1343
01:20:44,680 --> 01:20:48,960
Speaker 1: he could expect from a culinary perspective. Now, I like it,

1344
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:51,040
Speaker 1: and I think I'm getting real good at it, and

1345
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:53,200
Speaker 1: I mean, well that's that's okay. Well, But to come

1346
01:20:53,240 --> 01:20:55,360
Speaker 1: full circle of the book, that's what the book is about,

1347
01:20:56,240 --> 01:20:58,439
Speaker 1: is that, you know, people will come to me and

1348
01:20:58,439 --> 01:21:00,559
Speaker 1: they're like, what's your favorite recipe for a Farrell hawg

1349
01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:03,120
Speaker 1: And it's I mean, I try not I'm not not

1350
01:21:03,160 --> 01:21:06,120
Speaker 1: trying to be angry or annoyed by that, but it's

1351
01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:08,840
Speaker 1: like that's that's a that's a tough question right there.

1352
01:21:08,880 --> 01:21:10,840
Speaker 1: It's like, well, how big is your pick? Did you

1353
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:13,120
Speaker 1: just shoot a three hundred and twenty five pound bore

1354
01:21:13,240 --> 01:21:16,160
Speaker 1: or did you just shoot an eighteen pounds show? There's

1355
01:21:16,160 --> 01:21:22,920
Speaker 1: a huge difference in how you're gonna show show or guilt. Uh,

1356
01:21:22,960 --> 01:21:25,800
Speaker 1: it's a big difference in how you're gonna treat those

1357
01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:28,000
Speaker 1: two animals. And I think that a lot of the

1358
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:30,720
Speaker 1: problems that people have with with cooking, a lot of

1359
01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:32,680
Speaker 1: failures that they have, is because they want to do

1360
01:21:32,720 --> 01:21:36,000
Speaker 1: a one size fits all approach to all those hawks. Therefore,

1361
01:21:36,040 --> 01:21:39,599
Speaker 1: what's your recipe for farrell hog? If there's there's you know,

1362
01:21:39,760 --> 01:21:42,639
Speaker 1: what what does the hog look like? And how can

1363
01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:45,720
Speaker 1: you frame that in a way? So but you're not

1364
01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:50,519
Speaker 1: getting overtly technical or just talking over people, or or

1365
01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:54,640
Speaker 1: just making it just a hassle to discern the qualities

1366
01:21:54,680 --> 01:21:56,760
Speaker 1: of a hog. So we when we did the book,

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01:21:56,840 --> 01:21:59,760
Speaker 1: we broke it down into four categories. It's a small hog,

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01:21:59,800 --> 01:22:01,800
Speaker 1: it's a medium hog, it's a large sow and a

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01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:07,639
Speaker 1: large bore. That's interesting, do different different butchery diagrams? Uh, Well,

1370
01:22:07,680 --> 01:22:11,160
Speaker 1: you know, step by step for all four of those pigs.

1371
01:22:11,160 --> 01:22:13,120
Speaker 1: Like how to break that down? And then each one

1372
01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:16,680
Speaker 1: of those is followed by a substantial amount of recipes

1373
01:22:16,720 --> 01:22:20,799
Speaker 1: that are mostly gonna work for that category of hawk. Now, granted,

1374
01:22:21,479 --> 01:22:24,200
Speaker 1: you can make sausage out of any hog, so but

1375
01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:26,519
Speaker 1: well we did. We try to put the recipes with

1376
01:22:26,600 --> 01:22:29,200
Speaker 1: the appropriate size, and so it's kind of a field

1377
01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:33,160
Speaker 1: guide textbook. So now and people like, what's your favorite

1378
01:22:33,160 --> 01:22:34,920
Speaker 1: recipe for feril hog? And they could be like, well,

1379
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:38,280
Speaker 1: I just shot a very fatty South. Good best thing

1380
01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:41,000
Speaker 1: you can do, you know, food wise, And then then

1381
01:22:41,040 --> 01:22:43,400
Speaker 1: you can open up the chapter's fatty South, and you know,

1382
01:22:43,479 --> 01:22:44,680
Speaker 1: I think you are the guys that will do when

1383
01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:48,320
Speaker 1: you publish this print is do color coded tabs? We did?

1384
01:22:48,680 --> 01:22:51,200
Speaker 1: You did? I didn't know. I didn't know you had

1385
01:22:51,240 --> 01:22:54,800
Speaker 1: physical print. I mean, it's in the works. When you

1386
01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:57,760
Speaker 1: look at the book, I can't the end pages. You'll

1387
01:22:57,760 --> 01:23:00,200
Speaker 1: see the different what's the title of the book? The

1388
01:23:00,240 --> 01:23:05,280
Speaker 1: hog Book? Pretty apologist but now it's thought out yet

1389
01:23:05,320 --> 01:23:07,360
Speaker 1: we're still we just like you gotta tell everybody about

1390
01:23:07,360 --> 01:23:09,639
Speaker 1: this whole deal to Yeah, we launched kickstarter. We're self

1391
01:23:09,640 --> 01:23:13,400
Speaker 1: publishing it. So we did a Kickstarter. Um, we reached

1392
01:23:13,400 --> 01:23:17,479
Speaker 1: our goal. Um, took us eleven days. We got there. Yeah,

1393
01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:19,120
Speaker 1: so what do people need to do now to support

1394
01:23:19,680 --> 01:23:22,280
Speaker 1: I'll point out this Jesse got torn. COVID has torn

1395
01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:25,840
Speaker 1: Jesse a new one, Yes, sir, I mean I haven't

1396
01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:29,120
Speaker 1: got the COVID. But saying in your business, the situation

1397
01:23:29,160 --> 01:23:31,559
Speaker 1: has been rough. Yes, yeah, like you had you had

1398
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:35,720
Speaker 1: a restaurant, you had to shut a restaurant down from

1399
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:40,000
Speaker 1: COVID lockdowns. You had like greatly like basically almost closed

1400
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:43,000
Speaker 1: your other restaurant except for some outside dining. It's just

1401
01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:46,400
Speaker 1: been a wreck. Yeah, but you're plowing ahead with this book,

1402
01:23:46,439 --> 01:23:49,479
Speaker 1: which is good. You know, I think we're gonna be okay.

1403
01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:51,800
Speaker 1: You know, we're just we're just fighting it out, you know,

1404
01:23:51,880 --> 01:23:55,559
Speaker 1: and uh, I'm just hopeful at this point. But yeah,

1405
01:23:55,560 --> 01:23:56,840
Speaker 1: I mean the book has been in the works for

1406
01:23:56,920 --> 01:23:59,320
Speaker 1: literally a decade, Like we have been working on this

1407
01:23:59,400 --> 01:24:01,559
Speaker 1: ever since we published the first book. We had actually

1408
01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:04,680
Speaker 1: started work on this prior to that being published, and

1409
01:24:04,760 --> 01:24:07,880
Speaker 1: that came out in two thousand and twelve. So so

1410
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:10,599
Speaker 1: the Kickstarter deals, people could kick down and presumably they

1411
01:24:10,600 --> 01:24:13,200
Speaker 1: get a book when it comes out. Yeah, there's different packages.

1412
01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:15,720
Speaker 1: There's one book, two book, three books, there's you know,

1413
01:24:15,760 --> 01:24:19,320
Speaker 1: we sold a butchery class. We sold there's hats, some

1414
01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:22,920
Speaker 1: nice first Light hats with the Hog book logo on them.

1415
01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:25,360
Speaker 1: Where can they get that head? I had a guy

1416
01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:29,280
Speaker 1: messaged me yesterday about your hat. The Kickstarter. Now, I mean,

1417
01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:31,280
Speaker 1: just because we met our goal didn't mean we can't

1418
01:24:31,360 --> 01:24:33,960
Speaker 1: keep going. Definitely would like to keep going. So can

1419
01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:36,479
Speaker 1: people at this I don't know when we're gonna releases soon,

1420
01:24:36,840 --> 01:24:39,280
Speaker 1: presumably people can still go support the book and get

1421
01:24:39,280 --> 01:24:42,120
Speaker 1: the book. Yeah, I think we've got maybe fifteen twenty

1422
01:24:42,200 --> 01:24:44,640
Speaker 1: days left on the Kickstarter. So then what do they do?

1423
01:24:44,840 --> 01:24:47,400
Speaker 1: Can they pre order? Uh? Well, probably won't have pre

1424
01:24:47,479 --> 01:24:50,719
Speaker 1: orders ready until we physically print the book, So there's

1425
01:24:50,760 --> 01:24:52,920
Speaker 1: nothing people can do right now to help Kickstarter. And

1426
01:24:52,960 --> 01:24:55,280
Speaker 1: then got a Kickstarter you said you're gonna shut it down. Well,

1427
01:24:55,320 --> 01:24:57,720
Speaker 1: the Kickstarter shuts itself down. We have forty five day

1428
01:24:57,760 --> 01:25:03,040
Speaker 1: campaign and I think we're we're probably thirty days in

1429
01:25:03,320 --> 01:25:06,720
Speaker 1: if I remember correctly. Uh. And then after that, I mean,

1430
01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:08,840
Speaker 1: we're going to get the book printed, and so it

1431
01:25:08,920 --> 01:25:12,960
Speaker 1: should be available and we're self distributing everything and self publishing,

1432
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:17,320
Speaker 1: and so should be available around March. Fingers crossed and

1433
01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:19,719
Speaker 1: then they can do it. Then we've got there's websites

1434
01:25:19,760 --> 01:25:22,360
Speaker 1: and stuff, and so you can contact us the hog book,

1435
01:25:22,439 --> 01:25:26,559
Speaker 1: the hog Book may yeah like that damn book. Yeah, Yeah,

1436
01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:30,320
Speaker 1: it's pretty cool. I'm proud of it. Hundred and fifteen recipes,

1437
01:25:30,840 --> 01:25:33,439
Speaker 1: there's pretty a lot of good pictures, I guess. Well,

1438
01:25:33,880 --> 01:25:36,880
Speaker 1: so I'm partners in this book with the photographer who

1439
01:25:36,880 --> 01:25:40,280
Speaker 1: did a field and so he and one of the

1440
01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:44,320
Speaker 1: great things about self publishing is that we get to

1441
01:25:44,360 --> 01:25:47,000
Speaker 1: do whatever content we want. Well. First off, self publishing

1442
01:25:47,080 --> 01:25:50,000
Speaker 1: enables us to do any kind of gore that we want,

1443
01:25:50,080 --> 01:25:52,479
Speaker 1: like I mean, for lack of a better term, to

1444
01:25:52,600 --> 01:25:55,680
Speaker 1: show what really what's happening in butcher in process, absolutely

1445
01:25:55,840 --> 01:25:59,679
Speaker 1: I mean, and then without any kind of editorial issues,

1446
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:02,439
Speaker 1: like if I want a picture of skinned out pig's

1447
01:26:02,479 --> 01:26:04,760
Speaker 1: head in there, it's going in yeah. And then but

1448
01:26:04,840 --> 01:26:07,559
Speaker 1: also speaking to that, we can put as many photos

1449
01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:09,559
Speaker 1: in there as we want. And the picture I want

1450
01:26:09,560 --> 01:26:13,599
Speaker 1: to see what I want to see, a full, full vertical,

1451
01:26:15,280 --> 01:26:19,280
Speaker 1: full vertical picture of you with an apron on holding

1452
01:26:19,320 --> 01:26:23,360
Speaker 1: that big that big butcher knife you've got in your mallet,

1453
01:26:24,240 --> 01:26:28,479
Speaker 1: standing beside a big half skinned wild hog with like

1454
01:26:28,520 --> 01:26:32,640
Speaker 1: a cool background. We're bringing fullion. That's the vision of

1455
01:26:32,680 --> 01:26:35,080
Speaker 1: the photo right there. If they yeah, I already took

1456
01:26:35,120 --> 01:26:39,160
Speaker 1: that photo. Yeah, can you make this whole I'm getting

1457
01:26:39,160 --> 01:26:42,720
Speaker 1: stressed out about something. Can you make this whole Kickstarter thing?

1458
01:26:42,760 --> 01:26:46,679
Speaker 1: Like keep going or something other thing? Keep going? Because

1459
01:26:46,680 --> 01:26:48,360
Speaker 1: no one's gonna be here's the thing. We're wasting our

1460
01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:50,400
Speaker 1: breath because people are gonna remember to go buy the

1461
01:26:50,439 --> 01:26:54,800
Speaker 1: damn book in March. Well, I mean, they'll be more promotion.

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01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:57,240
Speaker 1: We'll get back in front of people, they'll be able

1463
01:26:57,280 --> 01:27:00,360
Speaker 1: to pre order. He's not doing pre order. We're not

1464
01:27:00,360 --> 01:27:02,280
Speaker 1: not yet. We're not set up for yet. But after

1465
01:27:02,400 --> 01:27:05,479
Speaker 1: Kickstarter you'll do pre orders. We will get set up

1466
01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:07,479
Speaker 1: for that. We we kind of want to have the

1467
01:27:07,520 --> 01:27:12,080
Speaker 1: book and like physical, can you do this? Can you can?

1468
01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:16,559
Speaker 1: Never mind? I mean, we're gonna do some promotional stuff

1469
01:27:16,560 --> 01:27:19,040
Speaker 1: with first slow I'm trying to think here. It's like

1470
01:27:19,160 --> 01:27:21,760
Speaker 1: I feel like that people should well hear this and

1471
01:27:21,800 --> 01:27:24,000
Speaker 1: they want to go buy the book, but they're gonna

1472
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:25,760
Speaker 1: get screwed because they're gonna go to the kickstar thing.

1473
01:27:25,840 --> 01:27:28,479
Speaker 1: It's that gonna beyond. They're gonna forget. March will come around.

1474
01:27:28,479 --> 01:27:29,960
Speaker 1: They won't buy the book and it won't be good

1475
01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:32,800
Speaker 1: for anybody, and it won't be helping you out. Well,

1476
01:27:32,800 --> 01:27:34,160
Speaker 1: we just have to get in front of him again,

1477
01:27:34,560 --> 01:27:38,280
Speaker 1: which it'll happen. Set a reminder on your phone. Listen

1478
01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:40,800
Speaker 1: if you're there at home, Set a reminder on your

1479
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:45,439
Speaker 1: phone that says, by Jesse's book come March, or just

1480
01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:47,840
Speaker 1: go right now to Kickstarter if you've still got if

1481
01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:50,880
Speaker 1: this comes out in time, that's what our schedules like.

1482
01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:54,040
Speaker 1: It's not going to How do you know. I just

1483
01:27:54,040 --> 01:27:55,599
Speaker 1: heard the one we did last week was coming out

1484
01:27:55,600 --> 01:27:58,599
Speaker 1: in January four, but I have already been already texted

1485
01:27:58,640 --> 01:28:03,680
Speaker 1: Karin Special Powers right now. I'm like, I don't care

1486
01:28:03,760 --> 01:28:05,360
Speaker 1: what we got going on. We gotta get this out

1487
01:28:05,400 --> 01:28:11,160
Speaker 1: for the Kickstarter deal. I love it. Yeah, yeah, I

1488
01:28:11,160 --> 01:28:13,320
Speaker 1: mean better we do on Kickstarted, the more we get

1489
01:28:13,320 --> 01:28:16,200
Speaker 1: printed in the first run, So that's I mean, it's

1490
01:28:16,200 --> 01:28:21,040
Speaker 1: a good deal. We can probably get maybe ten tho

1491
01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:25,800
Speaker 1: copies printed the first run. You can buy that hog book, Steth. Yeah,

1492
01:28:27,400 --> 01:28:29,439
Speaker 1: I'm gonna save all my I'm gonna save all my

1493
01:28:29,479 --> 01:28:32,439
Speaker 1: hog meat for when the book comes out there. I

1494
01:28:32,600 --> 01:28:34,479
Speaker 1: know the hipsters in l A do not have that

1495
01:28:34,520 --> 01:28:40,280
Speaker 1: hat yet, Oh, please tell me. So I met my

1496
01:28:40,479 --> 01:28:44,519
Speaker 1: uh fancy wine shop in l A close to where

1497
01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:47,320
Speaker 1: I live, buying a couple of bottles of natural wine.

1498
01:28:48,040 --> 01:28:49,479
Speaker 1: And I'm wearing a first light hat, the one you're

1499
01:28:49,520 --> 01:28:51,160
Speaker 1: wearing right now on the shoot. I don't have a

1500
01:28:51,160 --> 01:28:52,960
Speaker 1: hat on well, the one you were were you trading me?

1501
01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:54,720
Speaker 1: But the Burgeries hat? Oh? Also, you're not getting this

1502
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:59,080
Speaker 1: Burgeries hat. That is a lie. You can have his hat, no,

1503
01:29:01,080 --> 01:29:05,280
Speaker 1: but he can forfeit. This looks good on you, Chris.

1504
01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:10,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get me, but I do like the first

1505
01:29:10,160 --> 01:29:12,479
Speaker 1: my kid took to wearing. Clay sent me a cameo

1506
01:29:12,600 --> 01:29:16,840
Speaker 1: beargrease hat, and that beargrease hat my kid took to

1507
01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:21,600
Speaker 1: take in my cameo burgrease hat. Um, and in my

1508
01:29:21,920 --> 01:29:24,080
Speaker 1: first light bargrease hat. I like that, And there was

1509
01:29:24,160 --> 01:29:26,080
Speaker 1: one right there. It caught on so much at his

1510
01:29:26,160 --> 01:29:30,400
Speaker 1: school he's in, he's ten. It caught on so much

1511
01:29:30,640 --> 01:29:33,040
Speaker 1: at his school. He got on my phone in texted

1512
01:29:33,120 --> 01:29:37,479
Speaker 1: Clay because he needed three. He needed two for his

1513
01:29:37,560 --> 01:29:39,880
Speaker 1: hunting buddies at school and another one for his teacher.

1514
01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:42,360
Speaker 1: He's putting orders in. Yeah. So then I was like

1515
01:29:42,439 --> 01:29:44,599
Speaker 1: you and the teacher wanted. I was like, you better

1516
01:29:44,600 --> 01:29:48,800
Speaker 1: be awful, admired his uh his his fourth rightness. He

1517
01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:52,240
Speaker 1: just you know, he said. I can't remember how he

1518
01:29:52,280 --> 01:29:56,040
Speaker 1: addressed me. I think he said, hey, this is and

1519
01:29:56,040 --> 01:29:58,640
Speaker 1: he said his name, and he said Steve's boy. And

1520
01:29:58,680 --> 01:30:03,440
Speaker 1: then he wrote this pretty articulate description, concise but articulate,

1521
01:30:03,439 --> 01:30:06,599
Speaker 1: of why you needed three burgeries. Hats what you got

1522
01:30:09,479 --> 01:30:12,160
Speaker 1: significant percentage of the kids at his elementary school or

1523
01:30:12,640 --> 01:30:16,559
Speaker 1: bargaries and the teacher. The teacher has one he needed,

1524
01:30:16,640 --> 01:30:19,040
Speaker 1: true for his buddies and one for his teacher. Wow,

1525
01:30:19,320 --> 01:30:22,360
Speaker 1: it didn't that right, I don't I don't recall. Maybe

1526
01:30:22,360 --> 01:30:24,880
Speaker 1: I'm wrong either way. Anyhow, So there you are in

1527
01:30:24,880 --> 01:30:26,960
Speaker 1: your fancy wine shop. Oh yeah, yeah, so I'm in

1528
01:30:27,000 --> 01:30:30,439
Speaker 1: my wine shop. I'm wearing that first light hat and yeah,

1529
01:30:30,520 --> 01:30:33,160
Speaker 1: this very one, that very one. And I asked him

1530
01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:35,040
Speaker 1: I was in there because COVID they got it all

1531
01:30:35,040 --> 01:30:36,479
Speaker 1: shut down. You can't go in it. And you just

1532
01:30:36,479 --> 01:30:39,559
Speaker 1: tell him, yeah, you yell into a guy and I

1533
01:30:39,600 --> 01:30:41,600
Speaker 1: was like, give me. He like, I was like, you

1534
01:30:41,640 --> 01:30:43,640
Speaker 1: got any orange wines? And he brings me to I

1535
01:30:43,640 --> 01:30:45,120
Speaker 1: was like, which one is more blue collar? And he

1536
01:30:45,120 --> 01:30:46,960
Speaker 1: thought that was funny. Then he I got a good wine.

1537
01:30:47,479 --> 01:30:50,800
Speaker 1: Get that you like that right though? The natural wine

1538
01:30:50,800 --> 01:30:53,840
Speaker 1: orange wine, natural wine, which one is more blue collar? Yeah,

1539
01:30:53,920 --> 01:30:56,000
Speaker 1: that's solid. It's a good cause I thought it was too.

1540
01:30:56,439 --> 01:30:59,839
Speaker 1: He's like, neither, No, he was like he was strayed

1541
01:31:00,160 --> 01:31:04,559
Speaker 1: very far. Anyways, he sees the first light hat and

1542
01:31:04,600 --> 01:31:06,840
Speaker 1: as he's like bagging up my wine, he's like, you

1543
01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:08,680
Speaker 1: don't often see a first light hat in l A.

1544
01:31:09,200 --> 01:31:11,360
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, yeah, are you a hunter?

1545
01:31:11,439 --> 01:31:12,760
Speaker 1: Like do you hunt stuff? And he's like, yeah, a

1546
01:31:12,800 --> 01:31:15,040
Speaker 1: little bit of small game this and that. I was like,

1547
01:31:15,040 --> 01:31:16,960
Speaker 1: oh that's cool, man. Yeah, I sometimes work on the

1548
01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:19,720
Speaker 1: show mediator. If you're familiar sometimes all the time. He's like, oh,

1549
01:31:19,760 --> 01:31:23,240
Speaker 1: I fucking love meat here, man, I love it. The

1550
01:31:23,240 --> 01:31:27,000
Speaker 1: point of the story is youa fans everywhere like Chris huh.

1551
01:31:27,640 --> 01:31:31,519
Speaker 1: Sometimes all the time. Whatever. I didn't want to. I

1552
01:31:31,520 --> 01:31:34,599
Speaker 1: didn't want to sound distance yourself from it. No, no no, no,

1553
01:31:34,960 --> 01:31:39,680
Speaker 1: do I wear that hat all the time? Yeah, you know,

1554
01:31:39,720 --> 01:31:45,080
Speaker 1: I just don't like something like I want to feel

1555
01:31:45,120 --> 01:31:47,240
Speaker 1: that you're distancing yourself. That was his first stop to

1556
01:31:47,400 --> 01:31:50,000
Speaker 1: telling you that he's going back to the puppets. No,

1557
01:31:50,120 --> 01:31:53,120
Speaker 1: I wear two hats. I wear that hat or I

1558
01:31:53,160 --> 01:31:57,120
Speaker 1: wear my other, which is a Metator logo on a

1559
01:31:57,160 --> 01:31:59,320
Speaker 1: first light cameo hat. It was the only two hats.

1560
01:31:59,520 --> 01:32:02,200
Speaker 1: Now it's gonna be a third. And then when I

1561
01:32:02,240 --> 01:32:07,519
Speaker 1: get Jesse's hat. Dude, I'm getting collection here. It's a

1562
01:32:07,560 --> 01:32:09,720
Speaker 1: good ship. You may have heard. I've been doing well

1563
01:32:09,760 --> 01:32:13,559
Speaker 1: on hats, not doing so good on the income. But

1564
01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:18,799
Speaker 1: I got hats, all right, Everybody go by, Uh, well,

1565
01:32:18,840 --> 01:32:22,519
Speaker 1: I don't know. In March, Come March. Shut the reminder

1566
01:32:22,560 --> 01:32:25,439
Speaker 1: on your phone, go by. What's the book called the

1567
01:32:25,520 --> 01:32:28,880
Speaker 1: hog Book? The hog Book by Jesse Griffiths. The Hog

1568
01:32:28,920 --> 01:32:33,080
Speaker 1: Book by Jesse Griffiths, photographed by Jody Horton. That you

1569
01:32:33,160 --> 01:32:36,240
Speaker 1: did the field. I'm looking forward to the Beard Award

1570
01:32:36,280 --> 01:32:40,200
Speaker 1: for a field did not. You got nominated. Some British

1571
01:32:40,200 --> 01:32:42,439
Speaker 1: guy wrote a book about fruit. He beat me in

1572
01:32:42,479 --> 01:32:48,719
Speaker 1: my category. But it's like, is he a farmer? What's

1573
01:32:48,720 --> 01:32:50,720
Speaker 1: he have to do with fruit? He just wrote a

1574
01:32:50,720 --> 01:32:56,080
Speaker 1: book about fruit cookbook, Dude, I'm sure what was the saying.

1575
01:32:56,080 --> 01:32:58,120
Speaker 1: It says like, oh, there's a thing called fruit girls entrees.

1576
01:32:58,680 --> 01:33:00,559
Speaker 1: What more do I have to say? That's the book.

1577
01:33:00,760 --> 01:33:05,000
Speaker 1: I'll take a nomination page everybody else. Yeah, that's a

1578
01:33:05,040 --> 01:33:08,719
Speaker 1: real big deal. Um, all right, thank you everybody shut

1579
01:33:08,760 --> 01:33:09,400
Speaker 1: her down. Cut