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Speaker 2: Look at us now, tip to tip. This is our life,

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Speaker 2: this is our passion. That's the spirit we bring to

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Speaker 2: this show. I'm Luke Thomas, I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 1: This this Morning Combat.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's Friday, September third, twenty twenty one, and

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Speaker 2: you've stumbled upon the greatest combat sports show ever assembled.

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Speaker 2: They call it Morning Combat in these parts, So shout

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Speaker 2: out to CBS Showtime and Malcolm for putting this shit

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Speaker 2: Brian Campbell, the beij one that BBC with the BDE

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Speaker 2: your co host for today. It is Friday, Orange background,

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Speaker 2: no Jay, and this is where BC runs this clown show. Okay,

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Speaker 2: but I'm gonna run it strict today. We're coming and

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Speaker 2: we're coming hard. And that man sitting next to me,

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Speaker 2: he's a change man, he's a reform he's still pretty

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Speaker 2: angry man. One of the best in the world, if

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Speaker 2: not the best, at what he does. From DC with love,

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Speaker 2: It's Luke Thomas, Hero.

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Speaker 1: What's up BC? Happy Friday to you doing.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm here. I'm here.

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Speaker 1: That's not a very affirmative answer. I feel like something's wrong.

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Speaker 1: There's something wrong.

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Speaker 2: Did you say it's not a very effeminate answer, because

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Speaker 2: I answer, I answer to many. Okay, I have put

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Speaker 2: it across the board.

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Speaker 1: All right, Okay, Well, as long as you're all right,

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Speaker 2: Uh, Luke. It's Friday. We get the people ready for

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Speaker 2: the weekend to come. We've got an intriguing UFC Fight

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, there's some, there's some. There's a big

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Speaker 2: Glory card this weekend. There's shenanigans on the on the

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Speaker 2: state of love and trust in combat sports at the moment.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. The card tomorrow for UFC is not great, but

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Speaker 1: the main event is great. The I don't know enough

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Speaker 1: I'm in Katie Taylor's back, so lots of good stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just enough to fill your glory hole, as they say, Luke, Thomas.

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Speaker 2: But speaking of that whole, it's unfulfilled. If you're not

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Speaker 2: getting up on what's going on over there. At Showtime

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Speaker 2: Romero's debut a little bit more than a week away,

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Speaker 2: When we've got I don't know Rumbull Johnson fighting for

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Speaker 2: the light heavyweight title on October sixteenth, a lot of

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Speaker 2: great stuff. Showtime Championship Boxing will be back, don't forget.

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Speaker 2: We've got September eighteenth, that boxing bellatour doubleheader. A lot

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Speaker 2: But you first, you got to try it out before

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Speaker 2: will let you spin that shit all right around. Let's

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Speaker 2: also tell you a little bit about the merch that

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Speaker 2: That's why it's very high quality fabrics, Luke, Is it cotton?

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Speaker 1: It's not saying, well, no, the first one was good.

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Speaker 1: Okay, thank you, Yeah, it's bad, Luke.

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Speaker 2: One day you and I will have a documentary detailing

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Speaker 2: That will be the best one for sure, no no

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Speaker 2: Luke's live chat from Thursday, Luke, I mean you gotta

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Speaker 2: you were real? You were you were we gotta be real.

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Speaker 1: I'm always real on that thing. I'd never bs on that,

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Speaker 2: out Luke's favorite broadcaster, Lauris Senko. I had a very

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Speaker 1: Right, A good It's nice to see good people get

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Speaker 2: All right, Well that's all the ship I'm here to

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Speaker 2: Please give it to her. I will say this, Luke.

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Speaker 1: You said the odds out loud.

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Speaker 2: You know, he's doubled and tripled down on the idea that,

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Speaker 2: You gotta love that fighting spirit, in that attitude. I

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Speaker 2: Till lost three to two in all three judges scorecards.

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Speaker 2: I thought Whittaker did enough to beat him, but that

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Speaker 2: You know Brunson, he had lost four out of his

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Speaker 2: This is not the guy who ran intowncoming traffic against

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Speaker 2: I think Darren Hill's above that level. Even though I've

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Speaker 2: I like him big. You can take that to the bank,

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Speaker 1: Darren Hill has looked good in losing fights against very

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Speaker 2: space between them. Luke, if Brunson is unsuccessful at taking

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Speaker 2: Till down over a number of rounds, I'll say three rounds,

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Speaker 2: can he still win this fight on the feet given

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Speaker 2: the fact that Till has made some big mistakes in

432
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Speaker 2: big moments.

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Speaker 1: I don't think so. I don't think he can win

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Speaker 1: a peer striking battle. I think he can use his

435
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Speaker 1: striking at range to set things up. And by the way,

436
00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:24,600
Speaker 1: he's got a big punch too. It's not like it's

437
00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:28,080
Speaker 1: just for that. But over time, what you'll begin to

438
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Speaker 1: see is the discipline that he employs when he is

439
00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:34,600
Speaker 1: thinking critically about how to get his takedowns in there.

440
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Speaker 1: He doesn't rush them, he doesn't barrel into them like

441
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Speaker 1: he did before he sets them up. He takes his time.

442
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Speaker 1: I don't think he shot in the Shabazian fight for

443
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Speaker 1: the first several minutes. You know, he took a long

444
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Speaker 1: time striking at range, but you began to see that

445
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Speaker 1: Shavazi was starting to land on him a little bit,

446
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Speaker 1: and then that's when he began to turn the table.

447
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Speaker 1: So I think it's useful. I think he can have

448
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Speaker 1: great moments. I think he can even land a big

449
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Speaker 1: shot or two. But the reality is, like, what's one

450
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Speaker 1: of the big knocks on Darren Till It's that, for example,

451
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Speaker 1: what's his best weapon. It's that lead left right, I

452
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Speaker 1: should say the power left. And you'll notice he's not

453
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Speaker 1: a stand switcher BC. So what often happens his guys

454
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Speaker 1: are circling away from his power. So you'll see him

455
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Speaker 1: kind of chase down with the left, trying to find people.

456
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Speaker 1: And that's when Whittaker found most of his openings was

457
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Speaker 1: when he was reaching on that left. Whittaker would get

458
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Speaker 1: under it and then try something from there. So, like

459
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Speaker 1: with a wrestling component, I do think you can take

460
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Speaker 1: advantage of some of the deficiencies until striking. But just

461
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Speaker 1: do I expect Derek to slip and then counter over

462
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Speaker 1: a guy like Till, No, I don't think. I don't

463
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Speaker 1: think he's got that in him. And by the way,

464
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Speaker 1: one thing to keep a note as well is Till

465
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Speaker 1: is one of those guys like Atasanya who will do

466
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Speaker 1: that lean to get out of the way, the Fasiah

467
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Speaker 1: of lean. That could get him in trouble if he

468
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Speaker 1: has some of those habits too. To me, just really

469
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Speaker 1: really really hinges on to what extent can Brunson get

470
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Speaker 1: the takedown and keep it. If he really can't, that's

471
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Speaker 1: not very much a winnable fight. I don't think.

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Speaker 2: Luke Anderson Silva said this week while doing interviews for

473
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Speaker 2: the upcoming Tito or Tease boxing match next week, that

474
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Speaker 2: he doesn't he thinks at a Signia is unbeatable at

475
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Speaker 2: one eighty five. I don't agree with that, but I

476
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Speaker 2: appreciate the respect and sentiment. So I have two key

477
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Speaker 2: hard hitting questions on Durrn Till. One. Luke is Darren

478
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Speaker 2: Till a threat for it as you're a lot Asignya

479
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Speaker 2: if he can get there.

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Speaker 1: Sure, sure, because it's a different fight. Attasignya is not

481
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Speaker 1: going to take him down, so that's going to be

482
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Speaker 1: a pure striking battle. I tend to think Adasignia is

483
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Speaker 1: better and should win that one, but yeah, he's a threat. Sure.

484
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Speaker 2: Number two, Luke is a loss here disastrous for Darrentil.

485
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Speaker 1: It could be that's on the table because you would

486
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Speaker 1: be let's see what he's one in three now, he

487
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Speaker 1: would be one in four, and it wouldn't be against chumps,

488
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Speaker 1: but it would be multiple opportunities against fighters who present

489
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Speaker 1: very different challenges. By the way, Jorge Mansi was very

490
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Speaker 1: different than Derek Brunson across two weight classes, and you

491
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,959
Speaker 1: still couldn't beat those guys. It's like, how many times

492
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Speaker 1: do you need a test against the very very top

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Speaker 1: before we can begin to realize, as you put it before,

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Speaker 1: you are what your record says you are. The Only

495
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Speaker 1: thing I would say about that as a pin in

496
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 1: that same thing we said for Kevin Lee and everybody

497
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Speaker 1: else eight years old. He's twenty eight years old. You

498
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Speaker 1: cannot lose sight of that.

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Speaker 2: Now, Luke final question on this because Darren Till does

500
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Speaker 2: intrigue me. I love in this build up how he's

501
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Speaker 2: been like jumping in Derek Brunson's DMS one day to

502
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Speaker 2: ask about the family and wish everybody best, then the

503
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,640
Speaker 2: next day jumping in, dropping f bombs and talking trash

504
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Speaker 2: to try to keep him off guard. He's from Liverpool.

505
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Speaker 2: How the hell do you explain that accent? Because even

506
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Speaker 2: my wife walked into the room yesterday my office when

507
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Speaker 2: I was transcribing a Till interview in She's like, what

508
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Speaker 2: language is that?

509
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's called a scouse accent. You ever heard that

510
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Speaker 1: word before? Scouseer, No, it's a scouse accents. It's basically

511
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Speaker 1: you should do it because look it up on YouTube,

512
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Speaker 1: like scouse words, because it's not only a certain way

513
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Speaker 1: of pronouncing things and they say me instead of my

514
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Speaker 1: a lot, you know me wife, me Land that kind

515
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Speaker 1: of thing. But they have an utterly unique way of

516
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Speaker 1: pronouncing things like, for example, Patty Pimblet has a scouse

517
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Speaker 1: accent as well. Pay attention to the any this is

518
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Speaker 1: many things they do differently. Pay attention to any word

519
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Speaker 1: they have that ends with the letter K, they give

520
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Speaker 1: it a huh, so they say like work, you know, kick,

521
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Speaker 1: like that kind of thing. It's just an entirely unique

522
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Speaker 1: accent to that city slash region, and they've got their

523
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Speaker 1: own slang, their own way of pronouncing utterly ununique, unique

524
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Speaker 1: from a London accent, and it's hard as fuck to understand.

525
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Speaker 1: I'll put it that way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, me neck be back, you know, say Luke, put

527
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Speaker 2: it met and me crack yeah, indeed, Luke. Before we

528
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Speaker 2: move on down this card, which is less than impressive

529
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Speaker 2: but has some storylines, do you have a pick? Are

530
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Speaker 2: you willing to put it? Put your balls on the

531
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Speaker 2: line for the the sake of your reputation in this show?

532
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Speaker 2: Who wins Brunson Till?

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Speaker 1: I would probably say Till. I think Till's again. I'm

534
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Speaker 1: banking on a certain set of assumptions about Till, and

535
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Speaker 1: those assumptions might be proven wrong based on what Derek

536
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Speaker 1: Brunson does. But for the time being, I'm gonna ride

537
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Speaker 1: with them. But I like the odds. I think they're close.

538
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Speaker 1: I think a bet, by the way, on Brunson probably

539
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Speaker 1: a decent bet. As an underdog. You don't get a

540
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Speaker 1: ton of value out of it. Would you get some?

541
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Speaker 1: But I'm gonna lean till what about you?

542
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, put all the money on till third round.

543
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Speaker 2: TK Oh, you heard it right here? Tell your friends

544
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,680
Speaker 2: all right, Luke, this card it's interesting. Do you care

545
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 2: at all about this heavyweight comine event. I know UFC

546
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 2: love shoving heavyweights into the coal mane. It's like the

547
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,399
Speaker 2: old time thing. Well, hey, the heavyweights are going there

548
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 2: and they'll bang. But is tom aspinall versus Sergei Pavlovich.

549
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Speaker 2: That's not moving the needle, Luke, or even your needle

550
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Speaker 2: for that matter.

551
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Speaker 1: Well, yes and no. Sergey Spivak, I don't care one

552
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 1: way or the other about it. He's an okay fighter.

553
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Speaker 2: Can I say, Sergey Pavlovich did Mikey's killing me? He

554
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 2: put that in the notes. It's Sergey Speed Who the

555
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:05,719
Speaker 2: hell Sergey Pavlovich.

556
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Speaker 1: Luke, somebody that Mikey made up? But the answer is

557
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Speaker 1: I am. I do care about it because tom aspinall

558
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 1: is good. Tom aspinall the UK is a very very

559
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 1: good fighter, a highly intriguing prospect. He's got great accuracy,

560
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 1: good patience. He got hit a little bit more than

561
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: I expected him to in his last fight, but he's

562
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 1: still very young. He's still putting it all together. He

563
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,640
Speaker 1: looks like he might be the real deal at heavyweight

564
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 1: now how you know? They were still to be clear

565
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 1: early in that run. I don't want to rush it

566
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,199
Speaker 1: in any way, but he has shown an ability that

567
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 1: deserves to be respected and noted and spinback. I think

568
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 1: is a good fighter. But Aspinall should win that one

569
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 1: pretty clean.

570
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Speaker 2: I think, uh, Pavlovitch, so I don't get dead wronged here.

571
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 2: I know him now. He is a Russian UFC heavyweight, Luke.

572
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,360
Speaker 2: He knocked out Maury Screen in the first round, got

573
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 2: stopped himself by Alistair over him. I know that guy now.

574
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 2: But yeah, Aspinall Spivak is what it is. I agree

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Speaker 2: with you. Aspinall is the uh the more bigger rising

576
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,679
Speaker 2: stock here. He's a minus two forty favorite, Luke. As

577
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Speaker 2: we look up and down this card, I know what

578
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 2: you're gonna tell me. We gotta watch Patty Pimblet. You know, no,

579
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 2: to be honest here right, our new friend, our old

580
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 2: friend and new friend. I don't think Ariel Hawani loves

581
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Speaker 2: anything more besides calling Brendan Schaub out than publicizing Paddy Pimblet.

582
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Speaker 2: Luke if anyone had never heard of this guy, how

583
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 2: do you describe this phenomenon entering his UFC debut.

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Speaker 1: Well, you could make an argument that he is overhyped

585
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 1: in the sense in the sense that when you look

586
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Speaker 1: at him on tape, you realize as good as he is,

587
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 1: he's still by the way, he's only twenty six years old.

588
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 1: He's got a bit of a ways to go. There's

589
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 1: a lot of growth that's going to be necessary for

590
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,959
Speaker 1: him to compete at the UFC, compete consistently and win

591
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: at the UFC level. But here's what is interesting about him.

592
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: He too, like Darren Till, has that Scouse accent at

593
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Speaker 1: a Liverpool and he has a ton a ton of

594
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Speaker 1: cage Warriors experience. He has a record of sixteen and three,

595
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,479
Speaker 1: so he's got nearly twenty fights, a lot of them

596
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 1: at the high international level, and he's got five round

597
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 1: fight experience. What you can say about him is he's

598
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 1: an aggressive back attacker. He looks for the back, he

599
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: finds it a lot. He's a good finisher from there.

600
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Speaker 1: A lot of his subs and finishes come in the

601
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Speaker 1: first or second round. I talked about this on yesterday's

602
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Speaker 1: live chat. You look at his last loss against sorren Bach,

603
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: which was a five round fight, and I think belltre

604
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:25,919
Speaker 1: has kind of fucked that up a little bit because

605
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: soorren Bach beat Patty Pimblet then basically goes to Belatore

606
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: and no one really knew about it, Like they didn't

607
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: do a good job of publicizing that at all. So

608
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 1: here's Patty Pimblet. But two fights later you could see massive,

609
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: massive improvements in his stand up, with his motion and

610
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: his understanding of range and distance. They're still due. I'll

611
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: be honest. People like, oh, he's the next Connor McGregor. Well,

612
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 1: I can't say that. That's not true, But he doesn't

613
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: jump off the screen to me in the way that

614
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: Connor McGregor did at that time. So I think he's

615
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: got some work to do. But to have twenty fights

616
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Speaker 1: under your belt at the Cage Warriors level, to be

617
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: still twenty six years old, and to have the kind

618
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Speaker 1: of experience that he does with the different opponents and

619
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: again the five rounds, dude, he is situated. If he

620
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: can stay on the development track, he is situated to

621
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: do some potentially pretty impressive things. But what I would

622
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 1: say is I understand your caution. If you just watch

623
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: the tape, you know, it doesn't come off necessarily like,

624
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: oh my god, this guy's the next big thing. But

625
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: I think the guy's in the UK. They've seen this

626
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: kid around a long time. He's been fighting a long

627
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 1: time on cage warriors' levels, and he's really kind of ascended.

628
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: I think he learned a lot of lessons from that

629
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: sore in Bock fight, and he looked good in his

630
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: last win, very very good. So I'm excited he's here,

631
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 1: but I also feel like we've got to have some

632
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: managed expectations about what's readily available. He's got good stuff

633
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: in the tank, he's got good foundations, but there's still

634
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: a building process that needs to happen.

635
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Patty the baddie, very charismatic. I've seen Ariel interview

636
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Speaker 2: him in the past. I'm looking forward to check this out.

637
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 2: Lukey is a lightweight. They'll be taking on Luigi Vendramini,

638
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 2: so this should be an interesting clash, you know, Luke,

639
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Speaker 2: I'll be looking out for my Lithuanian Brethren light heavyweight

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Speaker 2: Modestus bukowskis against Khalil Rowntree Junior, two straight defeats for

641
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Speaker 2: the let Luke. He has tweeted an ig that like

642
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Speaker 2: it is must win territory, So I'm sure Rose and

643
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Speaker 2: I will be all about war Lithuania on this one, Luke.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, that's all you got on that all right

645
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Speaker 1: Roundtree retired, but I guess not.

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Speaker 2: Not yet, Luke. Maybe after this one, are you of

647
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 2: any belief that it's a win or go home here

648
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 2: or not go home? But it's win now for Molly

649
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 2: the meatball McCann as a minus one ten favorite against

650
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Speaker 2: g yea Young Kim. Luke, Okay, you got big expectations

651
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 2: for the meetball here? Or are you like, hey, BC,

652
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 2: move on. We got a deep show.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I certainly in no disrespect to her,

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Speaker 1: but yes, we have a lot of show to do.

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Speaker 2: All right, there you go. You want more UFC Fight

656
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Speaker 2: Night deep previews, don't watch this show, all right, Luke.

657
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Speaker 2: We've got more to get into and let's continue it.

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Speaker 2: Our second topic is big UFC news. Okay, big big

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Speaker 2: UFC news involves the lightweight division. Sources tell MMA Fighting that,

660
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Speaker 2: although contracts are not yet signed, both Charles Olivera and

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Speaker 2: Dustin Poorier have verbally agreed to a December eleventh title

662
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 2: fight at one hundred and fifty five pounds. That would

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Speaker 2: be the big final Vegas pay per view that UFC

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Speaker 2: typically does formerly in the past New Year's Eve weekend.

665
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Speaker 2: Now they're doing a little bit earlier for ESPN schedule. Luke,

666
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Speaker 2: we had done a lot of talk in the week

667
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Speaker 2: so this build up that is Porier gonna chase money

668
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Speaker 2: and go after a you know, a Nate Diez or

669
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Speaker 2: is he gonna do what we wanted them to do,

670
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Speaker 2: fight for that full title in the post habib era

671
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Speaker 2: and find out who the best lightweight in the world is.

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Speaker 2: How fire it up? Are you that it appears we're

673
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Speaker 2: heading in this direction?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? This is long overdue. I mean you could have

675
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Speaker 1: made a case that Dustin should have been fighting for

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Speaker 1: this a couple of fights ago, and then certainly after

677
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Speaker 1: he beat McGregor in January, we were like, Okay, it's

678
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: got to be a title shot next. Then he fought

679
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Speaker 1: McGregor again, so now it's just like comically overdue. But

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Speaker 1: it's a great fight. Charles Olavera, we all know the

681
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Speaker 1: story about you know what he had to prove to

682
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: himself and everyone else, and in the setbacks and you know,

683
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: he's been here since basically he was twenty years old.

684
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Speaker 1: He finally has developed into what you see here today.

685
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: Parier another guy who didn't have necessarily the smoothest run

686
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: every time, but its really turned out to be somebody

687
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: pretty special. I love the style of contrast. You know,

688
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Speaker 1: wish they were fighting a little bit earlier December eleventh.

689
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Speaker 1: You know, it's still in twenty twenty one. I'll let

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Speaker 1: it go, but it's the right fight to make. I

691
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,719
Speaker 1: frankly think it's very, very competitive. You know, I think

692
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Speaker 1: Dustin's got the power punching edge, but Olavera obviously can

693
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Speaker 1: pull a rabbit out of his hat with jiu jitsu

694
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Speaker 1: at any point. If you make any kind of mistake,

695
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 1: Dustin Potier gets submitted a lot. You know, Kuldib did

696
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Speaker 1: this thing. But that's, you know, obviously a relatively unique situation,

697
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 1: so it's well matched. Obviously mentioned Porie' is a black

698
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: belt himself, so should be able to handle himself reasonably

699
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Speaker 1: well on the ground, even though we can all acknowledge

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Speaker 1: Olivera's very special in that regard. But Parier, I mean,

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Speaker 1: these two guys do what can you say? Look at

702
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: their resumes. Look how bad all tested they are. Look

703
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: at what they've had to overcome and what they've had

704
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Speaker 1: to show, and what they've had to deal with, and

705
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: the setbacks and the narratives and the media and everything else.

706
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: You know, two guys who you wish you could have

707
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: dual champions because they both deserve it in that way,

708
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Speaker 1: but there could only be one. And I am extremely

709
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: excited to see how this one plays out. Tend to

710
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 1: think Parier probably gets his hand raised, but you know,

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Speaker 1: Olavera has been counted out a few times and showing

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Speaker 1: people what time it is. So highly highly excited.

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Speaker 2: This will be. Although it has not been announced obviously

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Speaker 2: because the fight's not officially signed and finished. It would

715
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Speaker 2: be UFC two sixty nine site to be determined, but

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Speaker 2: as I mentioned, they typically hit Las Vegas there in December.

717
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Speaker 2: That's the same card with the rescheduled Amanda Newness Juliana

718
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Speaker 2: Paina about so Luke, I mean, I just want to

719
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Speaker 2: I want to see Poorier have a chance to get

720
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 2: his moment, whether he gets it or not. He certainly

721
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 2: doubled and tripled down on his brand with the two

722
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 2: wins over Connor McGregor. This calendar year, and you want

723
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 2: to talk about potential for Fighter of the year. Imagine

724
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Speaker 2: if he wins this, Luke and finally scales the mountain top.

725
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, we're talking about cementing an incredible

726
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame, legacy, easy Fighter of the Year, all

727
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 2: that good stuff, and just to be you know, to

728
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Speaker 2: be fair. Given the run that Olivera's on, it's just

729
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 2: such a bad shit great fight on paper, it could

730
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Speaker 2: go so many directions. And you know sports betting dot

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Speaker 2: ag which usually rushes out and gives you the early odds,

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Speaker 2: Luke has Poorier as a minus one eighty favorite, Olivera

733
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Speaker 2: as plus one fifty five underdog. I would say that

734
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,240
Speaker 2: seems about right because I think you and I agree

735
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 2: that post to be Poorier until we see him lose,

736
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Speaker 2: is the best lightweight in.

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Speaker 1: The world, right And also, you know Michael Chandler couldn't

738
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 1: quite finish the job, and obviously the guy who finished

739
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: it was Olivera, which you know, don't I mean that

740
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: if there is one lesson from that Chandler fight, it's

741
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 1: that a Mma is crazy. But be dude, do not

742
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: count out Charles Olivera. But you also have to acknowledge

743
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: some of his weaknesses and a guy who is as

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00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: credible and and uh frankly efficient a power puncher that

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00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: and you know, du Poorier has faced all different manner

746
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: of opponents as well. No one quite like Olavera, but

747
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 1: you know, some pretty close ish kind of guys along

748
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: the way. You know, dude, if he wins that belt, man,

749
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: you know you mentioned Fighter of the Years on the

750
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 1: table right, because he would have beaten McGregor twice and

751
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:19,839
Speaker 1: then gotten the belt at the end, that's pretty big.

752
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: But just the uh, you know they always say, man,

753
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: progress doesn't go like this. Progress goes like this, this, this, this, this, this,

754
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 1: this this, and then kind of ends up there where

755
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: if you just look at the beginning of the end,

756
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 1: it's a straight line, but there are so many it's

757
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 1: just an undulating path. I mean, I cannot think if

758
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,399
Speaker 1: he ends up winning, I cannot think of someone who

759
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 1: exemplifies just the lack of you know, smoothness that is success.

760
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 1: It's tough, it's hard, it takes time, but it can

761
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 1: be done. And so we'll see, we'll see what he does.

762
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 2: And look at what we thought about Poorier just three

763
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 2: years ago, entering twenty eighteen. We all know he was

764
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,399
Speaker 2: a you know, a world class fighter, but he's coming

765
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 2: off the that weird two fight series with Eddy Alivarez,

766
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 2: got the finish and he was entering the Justin Geigee fight.

767
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 2: We all certainly thought of him as great, but to

768
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 2: if you would have told me he would have had

769
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 2: this run after that, of course, losing to Habib but

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Speaker 2: everybody else did, and then getting those two wins over

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00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 2: McGregor and then entering this fight, you know, favored potentially

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00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,280
Speaker 2: for a chance to win the bell. I mean, that's

773
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 2: a glorious run there. So great to see Dustin get

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00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 2: the opportunity. We'll see who wins. And you know, briefly

775
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 2: on this topic, Justin Gaigie caught up with our friend

776
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Speaker 2: Brett O Komodo of ESPN and by the way, condolences

777
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 2: out to Brett for the loss of his father. Gaichie said,

778
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 2: I thought that lightweight was the most coveted title in UFC.

779
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 2: When Habib was around, it was turned into almost the

780
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 2: laughing stock of the UFC overnight. It was me and

781
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 2: Pourier who should have been fighting for the belt, not

782
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 2: Chandler and Olivera. It should have been one versus two.

783
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,280
Speaker 2: That's what should have happened, Luke Gaichie on the outside

784
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 2: looking in to a degree, although the has a big

785
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 2: opportunity against Michael Chandler to get back in there, do

786
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:56,800
Speaker 2: you think he has a case here that it should

787
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 2: have been him even though he was the most recent

788
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 2: to have lost to and let's not forget probably one

789
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,240
Speaker 2: leg strike away from putting Habib in peril.

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00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 1: Probably maybe argument. No, I don't think if you lose

791
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: to Habib, then the first fight after that should be

792
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: another title shot. No, I don't.

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00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,439
Speaker 2: I don't really forget that, all right, Luke, I got

794
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 2: some quick fight announcements here that I just want to

795
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 2: get your reaction like a yay or nay or like

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00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 2: a yay or I don't know what. What does this

797
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 2: move you?

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00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:27,879
Speaker 1: Luke?

799
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,320
Speaker 2: We had touchdown it the other day, but December eleventh,

800
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 2: which is this same card we're targeting Poitier's return, may

801
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 2: see Barbara Montana de la Rosa. You know it gives

802
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 2: me the feels, Luke, what about you? I mean, come on, Luke,

803
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 2: come on.

804
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: It's a good fight. It's another good test for Barbara,

805
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: who I did not think beat Miranda Maverick but the

806
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: judges disagreed, and so that's what counts. Dala Rosa is

807
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: I think an underrated but tough competitor. I think Barber

808
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,280
Speaker 1: should win that, but dala Rosa could make it tricky early.

809
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 1: That's a that's an interesting style clash.

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00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,879
Speaker 2: Luke, December fourth. How about this one in the old

811
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 2: lightweight division, Raphael Physiev versus your boy, Brad Ridell of

812
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 2: c KB poor some sugar on you, friend, and I'm

813
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 2: not talking about out of the spout of the great

814
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 2: Rashad Evans bro Yes, right.

815
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: Dude, that fight is just bananas. You got two guys

816
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: who are arguably two of the more decorated kickboxers in

817
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 1: the UFC, if not that division, who have translated to MMA. Well,

818
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 1: we saw against Bobby Green, Pazia have some struggles a

819
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: little bit, certainly not the I thought he'd be a

820
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 1: little bit more dominant than he was, but he was

821
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 1: a deserved winner. He looked amazing. And then in Ridell,

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00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: you know that fight against Drew Dover, he got put

823
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: he got tested, I mean, he got pushed to his

824
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 1: limits and still found a way to come back and win.

825
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 1: A very very talented guy out of a great camp Phasiah,

826
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: same exact thing, dude, That fight should be an absolute ward.

827
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, mis nunciation aside. This is a great fight, and

828
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 2: uh it's it's part of this turnover at one fifty

829
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 2: five that I've been quietly talking about that you know,

830
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 2: some of those bigger names are fading, but we've got

831
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Speaker 2: some hungry lions ready to fill those spots, uh Luke.

832
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 2: November twentieth, reports have it that Michael Kiyasa bouncing back

833
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 2: against Sean Brady. Do you like this challenge?

834
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:20,879
Speaker 1: I like that one just as much as the one

835
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: we just talked about. Dude, Michael Kisa had a bad

836
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: fight against Vicente Luke, What can you say about it?

837
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 1: It was a bad fight for him in the end, anyway,

838
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,359
Speaker 1: But I don't think he's at all done. I think

839
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: it'd be foolish as hell to say that one point

840
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 1: seventy he's peaked. I don't think that's true. And then

841
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: I'm if you folks don't know who Sean Brady is,

842
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: you're about to find out. Sean Brady is easily easily

843
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: one of UFC's best kept secrets. He is fourteen and

844
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: oh he was supposed to fight Kevin Lee. He had

845
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: the injury and both guys did and it was kind

846
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 1: of got you know, the whole thing fell apart and

847
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: kevinly ended up taking on Daniel Rodriguez. But dude, Sean Brady,

848
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, this guy is a black belt in

849
00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 1: jiu jitsu. He is a physical specimen. He can do all.

850
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: He just needs an opportunity to show. Kisa is not

851
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: is by no means a walk in the park. But

852
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,760
Speaker 1: I'll say this, if if you can beat Michael Kissa,

853
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: holy shit, that will be his breakout moment. Pay attention

854
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: to Sean Brady. He is an absolute hammer.

855
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there's no question about that. And finally, Luke,

856
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 2: November fifth and Dublin, we have Belator two seventy already announced.

857
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,879
Speaker 2: It's James Gallaher and Patchi mix in the main event,

858
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 2: which has me fired up. But how about these two

859
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 2: fights added to the card, Daniel Viicho versus Pedro Carvallo

860
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 2: and in the cole main event a rematch Patricky Pitbull

861
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:37,879
Speaker 2: versus Peter Quely the SBG product. Oh just who had

862
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 2: just beat defeated Patricky by doctor stoppage. Your thoughts on

863
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 2: the card, Scotti coax is put together?

864
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, excuse me, that's a good card. I like that

865
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: matchmaking a lot more than Faedor versus Tim Johnson. I'll

866
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: say this that Gallaher PATCHI Mix fight. That's a tough

867
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: fight for Gallaher. Dude, PATCHI Mix is. He is a

868
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: the zerker and we actually we saw him in Vegas

869
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 1: at the at the High Rollers event that we attended,

870
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 1: and he does it all. He has great grappling, a

871
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 1: great team behind him. He's strong, he's athletic. He's gotten

872
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:12,359
Speaker 1: in front of his skis a little bit as he's

873
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 1: tried to ascend the ranks, but I've never seen him

874
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 1: just get like you know, what do you want to say.

875
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, he lost the fights where he was

876
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 1: able to get to where guys were just better than him.

877
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: But what I want to say is for a guy

878
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 1: at his experience level to have the skills that he does,

879
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: that's a tough fight for Galaher. So they're putting that in.

880
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: I like the matchmaking. I like crowds getting their contend. Dude, Yeah,

881
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 1: I mean that.

882
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 2: Crowd is going to be nuts. So you know, there's

883
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,359
Speaker 2: a little of an bit of an advantage there for sure,

884
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 2: But you know, Gallaher's got to prove it.

885
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 1: Uh.

886
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 2: Luke Patchy mixed that night at high Rollers. Who is

887
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 2: he gonna? Who is he gonna grapple in the main event.

888
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 2: We didn't end up staying for the main event, but

889
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 2: do you remember who he was supposed to grapple?

890
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: I forgot, I forgot all.

891
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 2: I remember, Luke is as we're watching high Roller, shout

892
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 2: out to that place, a fantastic establishment, awesome in our

893
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 2: own al Al Wendling handling the post fight interviews. But

894
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,240
Speaker 2: they hand out the gimmick to you as you're watching,

895
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 2: so you know you take part in it, and you

896
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 2: know you start laughing. Luke PATCHI walked by he was

897
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 2: warming up for the main event, and I looked him

898
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 2: in the eye and I was like, Yo, take this

899
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 2: motherfucker out, bro, and looke. He looked at me like

900
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 2: like excuse me, Like do I know you? And I

901
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 2: was just like, yeah, okay, bro, all right.

902
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 1: He was nice to me. I shook his hand as well.

903
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 1: But yeah, he's a savage, bro, He's a complete savage,

904
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:26,839
Speaker 1: so that should be fun. Yeah.

905
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 2: Jake Shields was there too. I was like, Yo, where's

906
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 2: my laptop?

907
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 1: Right too? I actually asked him about that. I actually

908
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 1: asked him about the hot coffee. He's like, why did

909
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:36,959
Speaker 1: you throw hot coffee over someone? And what he says

910
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: was a it wasn't hot coffee, although he admits even

911
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 1: if it was hot coffee, he was still gonna throw

912
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: it no matter what. But it wasn't. And I asked him,

913
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 1: why didn't you throw it like a ball? Like he

914
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 1: just kind of shot putted it, and he was like, dude,

915
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: have you ever tried throwing a Starbucks cup filled with

916
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: like liquid? And I said no. He's like, you can't, Like,

917
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 1: you can't throw it like a You're not gonna you're

918
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 1: not gonna spin it like a spiral. You just gotta

919
00:42:58,000 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: heave that thing. So he did.

920
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 2: Jake Schield's now full time coach, had extreme couture in

921
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 2: Las Vegas. Luke shot out to him.

922
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:05,439
Speaker 1: Right, only part time, not full time.

923
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 2: Oh sorry, I read that wrong. Okay, Hey, look, let's

924
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 2: go to topic number three. Some news and previews in

925
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 2: the world of boxing. But this is an important story

926
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 2: that your boy BC hijack the rundown and forced it in. Look, yeah,

927
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 2: all over this one, dude, I mean it's serious. Oscar

928
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 2: Valdez if you don't remember him, he is the unbeaten

929
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 2: WBC featherweight champion. Had one of the biggest victories this

930
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 2: calendar year when he knocked out Miguel burch Out to

931
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 2: win the Vicious knockout in a great performance. Valdez is

932
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 2: unbeaten and this was a surging next level win for

933
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 2: him in his first fight with Canelos trainer Eddie Renoso

934
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 2: in his corner. So ESPN and Top Break have Valdez

935
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 2: scheduled to return next Saturday, September tenth, in Arizona in

936
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 2: a title defense against Brazil's Robinson Canseasil, the twenty sixteen

937
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 2: Olympic gold medalist who defeated Valdez at the Pan Am

938
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 2: Games when they were amateurs. The problem here, Luke, is

939
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 2: Valdez tested on both his A sample and B sample

940
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 2: for a band supplement called fentermine, a central nervous stimulant.

941
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 2: Yet despite positive tests on both samples, the Pascua Yaki

942
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 2: Tribe Athletic Commission in Arizona has still cleared Valdez to

943
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 2: fight next week. Luke, there's a lot of extra layers

944
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 2: that I'll get into in a minute that kind of

945
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:30,919
Speaker 2: pump this story up on both sides.

946
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 1: I want to stop you. I want to stop you

947
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 1: because I want you to do this. Only you can

948
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: do this. I cannot do this like you can do this.

949
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: I mean put the story at this place in the

950
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: rundown for a reason. Before you ask me anything, I

951
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 1: want you to explain to the MMA fans who might

952
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: be watching, why is this such a big deal? And

953
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: I know it involves Eddie Renosso, so do that part,

954
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 1: but tell the people who may not know, Yes, you

955
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 1: got a guy who tested positive, is not going to

956
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 1: go and compete. That part they get. The Renosso connection

957
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: is to me, the more interesting story.

958
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 2: Well, I mean I'll get to the Renosso actually in

959
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,320
Speaker 2: a second, because he's building such a huge stable and

960
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 2: we've had some big name fighters take some shots, and

961
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,320
Speaker 2: maybe I'll get into it now. So you know, Eddie Renoso,

962
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 2: the manager and co trainer of Canelo, is really you know,

963
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,240
Speaker 2: rising and building a stable. I mean he's got Ryan Garcia,

964
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 2: Andy Ruiz, He's got you know, now Oscar Valdez. And

965
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 2: after this happened, Luke, we've got some big name fighters

966
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 2: make a run publicly against this. So Devin Haney, the

967
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 2: unbeaten lightweight came out and said Eddie Renosso's whole camp

968
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 2: is on that shit and had a needle emoji. And

969
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,399
Speaker 2: that guy Ryan Garcia fired up, who came out and said,

970
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 2: shut your mouth accusing me of cheating. I get it

971
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,439
Speaker 2: you can't punch with those eight allance gloves, but don't

972
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 2: be accusing me of such a serious accusation. They went

973
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 2: back and forth and basically we're like, why are we

974
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 2: not fighting each other? Which I think all boxing fans

975
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 2: are saying the same thing since they both fight on

976
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 2: his own But Luke, just this morning, Caleb Plant, the

977
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 2: unbeaten super middleweight champion who will be facing Canelo Alvarez

978
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 2: in later this year, tweeted, nah at Canelo team and

979
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 2: at Canelo they deserve bitch of the year. All of

980
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 2: them are suspect and everything out of that camp is intentional.

981
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 2: They have the knowledge and experience to know better and

982
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 2: the resources to have the best of the best in

983
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 2: whatever they want to Taco and beef emoji or some

984
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 2: shit is the reason. So, Luke, this is some pretty

985
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 2: heavy accusations from two big players in boxing about what's

986
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 2: going on in that camp. But I think the news.

987
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,800
Speaker 2: And why I think it's so important is this is

988
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:29,959
Speaker 2: some boxing bullshit at its finest. I mean, boxing is long, Luke.

989
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,280
Speaker 2: If we talk about the some of the USADA UFC

990
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 2: circus play with the drug testing, is it more window

991
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 2: dressing or is it serious? We're moving cards for John Jones,

992
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,720
Speaker 2: we're talking about picograms. I mean, don't forget about Thomas

993
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 2: Hauser's detailed reporting against USADA in boxing that for all

994
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 2: those years they were running big time fights, they outed

995
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 2: one person, Eric Morales for a failed test only because

996
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 2: it leaked accidentally. And oh, by the way, despite Morales

997
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,280
Speaker 2: testing positive for his amb SAM, he was still allowed

998
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 2: to fight against Danny Garcia in twenty twelve for for

999
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 2: clem butterol and tainted me. I mean, it's it's Luke,

1000
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 2: it's bullshit. There are layers to this story that I

1001
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:14,320
Speaker 2: want to get into that that can argue either way.

1002
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 2: But on the surface, you have rules. You have a

1003
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 2: fighter who failed multiple tests and we're just like, nah,

1004
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,959
Speaker 2: I don't think it was performance enhancing. He can still

1005
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 2: move on. So here's the deal, Luke, and I do

1006
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 2: want to get your take on this because you're a

1007
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 2: drug testing guru. Fenter meen is legal under WADA rules.

1008
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 2: Wada are the rules that this this Native American tribe

1009
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 2: in Arizona oversee. The problem is both fighters signed up

1010
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 2: for drug testing through VADA, the drug testing body that

1011
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 2: is considered the most recutable in boxing. They cost less

1012
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:57,760
Speaker 2: than the others, they test for more, and this supplement

1013
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:01,240
Speaker 2: is illegal under VADA rules. Beldez signed up for VADA testing.

1014
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 2: You don't have to sign up for VADA testing and boxing.

1015
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 2: They do it when, you know, not only when when

1016
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 2: people have suspicions of their opponents, but also this is

1017
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 2: a WBC sanctioned fight, and the WBC is aligned with

1018
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 2: VADA under their you know, clean boxing program that they're

1019
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,280
Speaker 2: trying to put out there. So you got Valdez's manager

1020
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 2: Luke saying, oh, Fenter mean, it's absolutely nothing, it's not

1021
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 2: you know, it's not a ped. He probably caught it

1022
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 2: drinking herbal tea. Now, there was low amounts in his

1023
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 2: system found when this test was done a couple of

1024
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 2: weeks ago. Valdez tested negative for this yesterday. But this

1025
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 2: drug life is out of your This drug is out

1026
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 2: of your system in forty eight hours, and you have

1027
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 2: Victor Conte the you know, the disgraced drug cheat turned

1028
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 2: supplement maker who talked to ESPN's Mike Coppinger and basically said,

1029
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:59,879
Speaker 2: you know this is dog ate my homework stuff that

1030
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 2: Fenter mean, I know what it does. It's very powerful.

1031
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 2: It's like a methamphetamine. You know, it's a ped You

1032
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 2: know why because it's a central nervous stimulant. It accelerates

1033
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,280
Speaker 2: your heart rate. It gives you energy, It gives you endurance,

1034
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:14,800
Speaker 2: it gives you stamina. It makes it easier to breathe.

1035
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 2: Your training time to exhaustion would be much longer without it.

1036
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 2: End quote Luke, this seems like a bunch of boxing bullshit. No,

1037
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 2: I mean you don't take that by accident.

1038
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 1: No, he did not get that from herbal Tea. I mean,

1039
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 1: contamination is real. Even Usada has gone out of their

1040
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,240
Speaker 1: way to say contamination is real, where they've had people

1041
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 1: who popped from drinking water or pharmaceuticals that were prescribed

1042
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:40,919
Speaker 1: by a doctor. They were just contaminated with something else,

1043
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: like they got prescribed X and there was a trace

1044
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,399
Speaker 1: of like wyre z on it. So contamination is real.

1045
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 1: It's actually quite real to the point where it's a problem.

1046
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 1: But no, he did not get that from herbal Tea.

1047
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 1: My hunch is that he just took it ja.

1048
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:57,359
Speaker 2: Bob Arams fired up Luke. He talked to New York

1049
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 2: Fights and Michael Woods and said, this is absolutely nothing.

1050
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 2: It's not a ped it's not illegal. There's a very

1051
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 2: light amount. He took herbal tea because he wanted to

1052
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 2: stop drinking coffee. He ended up taking a shot at

1053
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 2: my Coppinger, saying it's irresponsible for reporters to do it.

1054
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 2: It gives journalism a bad name. Any company that should

1055
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 2: hire that so called journalist should be a shamed of themselves. Well,

1056
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 2: first of all, Bob, your promotional company is aligned with

1057
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 2: that company that hired Coppinger.

1058
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,240
Speaker 1: Dude, you both work with ESPN, so maybe.

1059
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:27,359
Speaker 2: And second of all, my Coppinger is reporting news. Your

1060
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:32,240
Speaker 2: fighter signed up for Vada he got caught. So, like Luke,

1061
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:35,399
Speaker 2: you and I both agree that a lot of drug

1062
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 2: testing in combat sports is just bullshit. It's just to

1063
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 2: cover the s to give the look of something. This

1064
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:44,280
Speaker 2: is damning against Canelo's team, no doubt, because Canelo himself

1065
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 2: had the clumbbuterol hiccup ahead of the second Triple G fight.

1066
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, I believe more people are

1067
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 2: using than not at the end of the day. But

1068
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 2: if you have a rule system and someone violates it

1069
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 2: should top rank in ESPN and the commission get together

1070
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 2: and say, hey, we're sorry, Oscar val does you can't

1071
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 2: headline this card next week?

1072
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 1: You broke the rules? Yeah. I mean, usually there's a

1073
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:09,919
Speaker 1: case where even if it's not illegal under a certain

1074
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 1: jurisdiction or some kind of system, but someone breaks a

1075
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 1: rule under a different system. There's usually like, you know,

1076
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: the different bodies will work together and say, you know,

1077
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: we'll honor this even though you know, we man don't

1078
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 1: necessarily have the exact same rule on the books, or

1079
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 1: you know, they didn't violate something with us specifically, right,

1080
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 1: You'll see that a lot. But even between Yousada and

1081
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:34,959
Speaker 1: then various state commissions, that can happen at times too.

1082
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: You know, listen, here's what I think is probably going

1083
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 1: on to an extent. One is that you know, he

1084
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 1: does have a bit of a loophole in not a loophole,

1085
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 1: but he has a bit of an argument that hey,

1086
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:47,760
Speaker 1: under the WATA code, which then all of the various states,

1087
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 1: I should say, all the various national testing agencies from

1088
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 1: the United States on. They all are signatory to the

1089
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 1: Water Code. You Sada obviously follows that they can say

1090
00:51:58,080 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: under that there's not a big deal. And this is

1091
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: the pre eminent antidoping global system quite literally, so if

1092
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 1: he's not a run a foul of that, how serious

1093
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 1: could it possibly be? And also, dude, I think that

1094
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 1: the pandemic has just fucked a lot of things up

1095
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:13,839
Speaker 1: where people aren't getting the gates they get, fights are

1096
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 1: falling through like it's a constant problem. And if you

1097
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 1: can just look the other way. I'm not saying that

1098
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:21,879
Speaker 1: they should, but if you are of the belief that

1099
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 1: you can just look the other way, and you know, again,

1100
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 1: under the global anti doping system, he's not really run

1101
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 1: a foul of that, then who really gives a shit?

1102
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 1: You could also argue on top that, you know, I mean,

1103
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,359
Speaker 1: if you're the opponent of Oscar Valdez at this point,

1104
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 1: whether you care about what he took or what he did,

1105
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:39,399
Speaker 1: and you have to know what you're in for at

1106
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 1: this point, I mean, not just with the tape shows

1107
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: what everything else the tape doesn't show. I mean, this

1108
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 1: is sort of what I mean about everything, you know,

1109
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 1: I don't know what the right answer is with all

1110
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 1: of this stuff. I probably feel like if you ran

1111
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 1: a foul of what you signed up for, that should

1112
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 1: have some kind of larger force. It's the one weakness,

1113
00:52:58,280 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 1: well not the one, but it's one of the weaknesses

1114
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: of VADA, which is that it is kind of voluntary.

1115
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:05,479
Speaker 1: A lot of states and jurisdictions don't ever really sign

1116
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 1: up for it.

1117
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 2: Well, but the WBC mandates at Luke in Valdez is

1118
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 2: the WBC champion, So this is one of those rare

1119
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 2: times where boxing's trying to do the right thing. Right,

1120
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:15,839
Speaker 2: So are they?

1121
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of this is just for window dressing.

1122
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: I don't think that they at the end of the day, Dude,

1123
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:20,800
Speaker 1: I really don't think that the power some of the

1124
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,240
Speaker 1: athletes might care, but I don't think the power brokers

1125
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 1: care about anti doping, not any kind of real and

1126
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:26,799
Speaker 1: serious way. I mean, this is the thing I always

1127
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: try to say there is do drugs are here. They're

1128
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:31,319
Speaker 1: not going away. So the question is what are you

1129
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:33,359
Speaker 1: going to do about them? What what place do they

1130
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 1: hold within sports? And you know that's a broader conversation,

1131
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 1: but this is this just shows you how difficult it

1132
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 1: is to manage all of these things. There is no

1133
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 1: one serious, coherent combat sports anti doping program. Even if

1134
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 1: there is, there's tons of problems with it. In this

1135
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 1: particular case, you have competing ones that test for different things,

1136
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 1: that have different forms of jurisdiction, and you also have

1137
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:57,919
Speaker 1: on top of that, you can out loose side this fact, dude,

1138
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 1: COVID has fucked everything up, whether it should or it

1139
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 1: shouldn't have, whatever your belief, It's canceled a lot of events.

1140
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 1: It's removed a lot of dollars from people's pockets, fighters included,

1141
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 1: And my guess is that they just want shit to

1142
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 1: go forward and don't care. And you can like that

1143
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:15,239
Speaker 1: or you can hate that, but that seems to be

1144
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 1: what's happening.

1145
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 2: I mean, like, I'm not necessarily saying from my personal standpoint,

1146
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 2: yank Yank Valdez out of there, you cheat, because Luke,

1147
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:24,880
Speaker 2: I you know, I'm not gonna sit here and watch,

1148
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 2: you know, SOSU and Maguire break records and not not

1149
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,320
Speaker 2: be suspicious of everyone. I'm sorry, Like we're past that point.

1150
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:32,919
Speaker 2: But again, if you have a rule system and someone

1151
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 2: violates the rules, you can't be talking about herbal t

1152
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:37,800
Speaker 2: You can't be talking about picograms. Look, John Jones shouldn't

1153
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 2: have fuck us of sin in la. I said it,

1154
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 2: then I'll say it now. Like, if you have a

1155
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 2: system of rules, whether it's window dressing bullshit or not,

1156
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 2: and that system of rules is violated and you're only

1157
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:49,840
Speaker 2: doing it to protect yourself or look good and you

1158
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 2: gotta follow the rules, me come on, like, you know,

1159
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:55,360
Speaker 2: like it's just at this point, if you're gonna let

1160
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 2: him fight, then just come out and say testing his bullshit.

1161
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 2: No one cares because you know who doesn't care? Luke

1162
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:03,840
Speaker 2: sanctioning bodies for the large part don't care. The networks

1163
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 2: for the large part don't care. The promoters, no, they

1164
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:07,399
Speaker 2: don't care.

1165
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 1: So let me ask you. Let me ask you a question.

1166
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 1: So so just think about this. This is the argument

1167
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 1: I always make about antidoping. People are like, oh, it

1168
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 1: would ruin the sport if doping was allowed. That's a

1169
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 1: separate argument about what it might mean for competition. But

1170
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:22,319
Speaker 1: just ask yourself this. Have any of the sponsors of

1171
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 1: the upcoming event that Valdez is supposed to be and

1172
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 1: have any of them pulled out? Have any of the

1173
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 1: broadcasters who are involved, said, you know what, we just

1174
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 1: can't do this. Has any other person who stands to

1175
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 1: make a profit from this, including his opponent, by the way,

1176
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 1: have any of them come out and said, this is

1177
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 1: so beyond the pale, we can't allow this. Dude. Everyone

1178
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:43,359
Speaker 1: can get on Twitter and they can say that they

1179
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 1: care so much about drugs and sport, but when the

1180
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 1: rubber meets the road, the fans don't stop buying tickets,

1181
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 1: the advertisers don't stop advertising, the broadcasters keep broadcasting. It's

1182
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 1: a lie. It's just an obvious lie that people care

1183
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:00,879
Speaker 1: about it. They fucking don't. And I don't know why

1184
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 1: it's a scandal for us to say that out loud.

1185
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 2: I never thought i'd get to this point. I remember

1186
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 2: you had opinions early. Nigel Collins, the Hall of Fame

1187
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:11,760
Speaker 2: boxing writer who I used to edit his work on ESPN.

1188
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 2: He's one of the best writers in the game for

1189
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 2: many a decade. He had that early take, you know, five, six,

1190
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,840
Speaker 2: seven years ago, let's just let's just out legalize everything.

1191
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 2: What are we doing here? I'm finally there because I've

1192
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 2: seen enough to know that I've seen too much, so

1193
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 2: I mean, it's Luke That's why when UFC signed up

1194
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 2: with USADA, all of us from boxing are like, really,

1195
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 2: that's the body you signed up with, USADA, who doesn't

1196
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 2: who doesn't bust anyone at all? Like that, that's what

1197
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 2: you signed up with. So you know, come on across

1198
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 2: the board there.

1199
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 1: But I agree with you. The one thing I think

1200
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 1: it just goes back to is if you're gonna have

1201
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 1: a system of rules, they for example, if you have

1202
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 1: a speed limit in your own hometown that says fifty five,

1203
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 1: it only counts as fifty five if the cops enforce it.

1204
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 1: If no one ever enforces it, can be on the

1205
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 1: books that it's fifty five. But in practical terms, what

1206
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 1: makes a rule a rule is that people enforce it. Dude,

1207
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 1: these are not rules because nobody with their power ever

1208
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 1: seems to enforce it. They're just guidelines kind of. It's

1209
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 1: like the masks in the hotel. You know, you can

1210
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 1: wear it if you're on, if you're if you're unvaccinated,

1211
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:20,959
Speaker 1: you have to wear the mask. They're not checking the seat.

1212
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 1: They don't give a fuck, So people just do what

1213
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 1: they do.

1214
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you're right, Luke, You're right about that. I

1215
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 2: love Oscar Valdez. This does call into question his recent rise,

1216
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 2: but you know, I mean, we'll see what happens. He's

1217
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 2: gonna fight next week. We're gonna watch it most likely.

1218
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 2: Uh The Zones back this weekend with a boxing card.

1219
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 2: Luke gets along under the radar, but it's good shit.

1220
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 2: Mauricio Lara, who had one of the biggest upsets in

1221
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 2: boxing in recent memory in February when he went in

1222
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 2: there against featherweight world champion Josh Warrington, who, by the way,

1223
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 2: had been on an upset path himself, beating Carl Frampton

1224
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 2: to win the title, and he stopped Warrington in the

1225
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 2: ninth round. And this was a guy who was a

1226
00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 2: massive underdog, a young fighter from Mexico, and now they're

1227
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 2: going to run it back. Luke and Katie Taylor also

1228
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 2: in this card. In the co main event, she'll defend

1229
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 2: all four of her lightweight world titles against Jennifer Hahn.

1230
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 2: Interesting little bit of business here, Luke. I don't know

1231
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 2: if you remember that Warrington Laura fight, but it was

1232
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 2: an absolute war and it was one of those under

1233
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 2: the radar goods stories in boxing when you got somebody

1234
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 2: going in there who's a heavy favorite against the you

1235
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 2: know mandatory and they come through and get the big one.

1236
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 2: Let's see if Laura can do it twice.

1237
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 1: In a row. And also I went back and I

1238
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 1: watched some of the highlights for this in preparation for

1239
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 1: today's show. I was thinking, like, why would this be

1240
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 1: different the second time? And it might be. I mean,

1241
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 1: I don't know what will happen, but it does seem

1242
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 1: to me. Correct me if I'm wrong. BC Warrington, I

1243
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 1: want to say, can only win. But Warrington's best chance

1244
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 1: of winning he's got to fight a lot more conservatively.

1245
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 1: He's got to be a little bit more careful. Okay,

1246
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 1: you can do that, and that will work as long

1247
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 1: as the fight can last. But I actually feel like

1248
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 1: that could even energize and more Laura to go for

1249
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 1: not for Broke, but to put significant more pressure on him.

1250
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 1: I don't know that the calibration of the words that

1251
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 1: Warrington needs to make to get a better chance meaningfully

1252
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 1: improves his chances.

1253
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 2: Warrenton's problem Luke is that he's such a fun, aggressive fighter,

1254
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 2: but he fights like he's a big puncher and he's not.

1255
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 2: He's more of a high volume aggressive almost the brawl

1256
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 2: or you know, it's not not not completely void of

1257
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 2: technique in game planning, but he's one of those, you know,

1258
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 2: I guess i'll compare remember Juan Bowl, the baby Wan

1259
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 2: Diaz the baby Bowl was it was a very good

1260
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 2: boxing champion, had those absolute wars with one Menuel Marquez.

1261
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 2: But really the problem for Wan Diaz was never had

1262
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 2: that big time power, but would get himself into you know,

1263
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 2: crazy fights.

1264
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 1: He fought Pacio too, right.

1265
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 2: No, that was David Diaz, but it was around that time,

1266
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 2: so he won. Jan Diez fucked Paulie Malina. Do you

1267
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 2: remember the first one was a robbery and.

1268
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 1: Microphone now, yeah, in Texas, right.

1269
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:03,200
Speaker 2: Yep, yep, and then Pauli won the rematch. So Warrington's style,

1270
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 2: you know, when you meet a bigger puncher, when you

1271
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 2: meet somebody who can take your shot. I mean Laura

1272
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 2: dropped him in the fourth round of that first fight

1273
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:11,440
Speaker 2: and finished him in the ninth. So we're gonna have

1274
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 2: to see Warrington with this time off to you know, regain, recalibrate,

1275
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:17,880
Speaker 2: get back in there. Warrington was not supposed to be

1276
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 2: this big thing. He'd beat Lee Selby by split decision.

1277
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 2: He upset Carl Frampton for the title. As I mentioned,

1278
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:25,200
Speaker 2: this is gonna be an interesting matchup does It's not

1279
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 2: a real sexy fight that the world's talking about, but

1280
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 2: it should be good obviously, though, Luke, the biggest name

1281
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:33,200
Speaker 2: on this card is Katie Taylor, and you know, I

1282
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 2: give Eddie Hern in his own credit because they continue

1283
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 2: to showcase her. She fights often, They put her in

1284
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 2: big spots and look, she delivers. She's fantastic. She got

1285
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 2: through that two fight war with that Belgium police officer

1286
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 2: Delphine pursued who came at her like a like a

1287
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 2: zombie in a video game. Jennifer Han is not expected to,

1288
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 2: you know, to let's say, upset her. But Luke, we

1289
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 2: all want Katie Taylor to get to that next to

1290
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 2: that next you know boss at the end of the

1291
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 2: video game, and a lot of people think that could be.

1292
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 2: Amanda Serrano, who had the big win on the Jake

1293
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 2: Paul undercard, is willing to fight in just about any

1294
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 2: weight class and almost fought Katie Taylor before the pandemic.

1295
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 2: Then during the pandemic, Eddie Hern gave her an offer

1296
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:19,200
Speaker 2: that Team Serrano felt was way below the regular price.

1297
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 2: Serranos stances I'll fight Katy Taylor tomorrow. But you got

1298
01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:25,080
Speaker 2: to pay me the money. Do you think we're a

1299
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 2: win here for Katie Taylor? That that's got to be

1300
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:29,440
Speaker 2: the right move for Eddie Herding Company, because you know,

1301
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 2: you want to call Katie Taylor the pund for pound queen.

1302
01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 2: You gotta beat Serrano.

1303
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 1: So this is what it is. You can do these

1304
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:39,520
Speaker 1: fights in between, which are against talented, you know, somewhat

1305
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:41,959
Speaker 1: difficult opposition. I don't want to say that they are

1306
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 1: these are runaway fights for Katie Taylor. They're just in

1307
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 1: the same way that Mercado was not like a runaway

1308
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 1: opponent for Serrano. She had to earn it, and there

1309
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:52,200
Speaker 1: was enough of a there was enough of a gap

1310
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:53,960
Speaker 1: where you knew Serrano was gonna win, but not enough

1311
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:55,720
Speaker 1: where she could just cruise. You had to really work

1312
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 1: for it. I mean, it feels like that's what you

1313
01:01:57,480 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 1: have here. But dude, at some point, at some point

1314
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 1: and I realized there's complicating factors here. I get it.

1315
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:05,920
Speaker 1: You've articulated many of them. The pandemic, although I don't

1316
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 1: think that his owne thing is any kind of limit,

1317
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 1: but you know, previous promoter history and whatnot. Still, this

1318
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 1: is the fight to make Serano versus Taylor, that's the one.

1319
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 1: I appreciate what Taylor is doing. This weekend, I'll be watching.

1320
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see it. But all eyes are

1321
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:23,800
Speaker 1: on getting this to the next level, and those roads

1322
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 1: lead to Serrano.

1323
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 2: You know Katie Taylor, she's eighteen and oh but she's

1324
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 2: thirty five years old, Luke. You know, she had the

1325
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:33,520
Speaker 2: big Olympic success in turn pro a little bit late.

1326
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:38,440
Speaker 2: She's lived up to huge expectations. She's great, she's aggressive,

1327
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:43,680
Speaker 2: she's got fantastic technique in combinations. But you know, I

1328
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 2: don't know, Luke. Even though Serrano would be moving up

1329
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 2: in wait, I'm my favorite Serrano on that fight. It's

1330
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 2: that good of a fight where you're like, we found somebody,

1331
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:53,440
Speaker 2: you know. Delphine Pursum gave it to Katie Taylor. I

1332
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 2: thought that first fight was a draw. I mean she was,

1333
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:59,160
Speaker 2: she was close, right, Taylor showed the championship resolve and

1334
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 2: got over the top. This surmount of fight from a technical,

1335
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:06,120
Speaker 2: hardcore fan standout is everything it could be, So hope

1336
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:08,320
Speaker 2: we get there. Jennifer Han's gonna be a you know,

1337
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 2: probably a suitable test comes from a boxing and kickboxing family.

1338
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:14,200
Speaker 2: Her brother ab Han, you may remember, had some moments

1339
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:17,480
Speaker 2: in boxing, so we'll see what happens there, Luke. Moving on,

1340
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:21,000
Speaker 2: how about this for this weekend, Glory seventy eight has

1341
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 2: a big kickboxing show in Europe. But the headliner two

1342
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:28,440
Speaker 2: division champion, I'm sorry, the co headliner two division champion,

1343
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 2: Alex Padata. There's some interesting news here. We know he's

1344
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 2: headed after a couple cups of coffee in MMA to

1345
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:38,080
Speaker 2: what looks like a full time move to MMA. But

1346
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:40,160
Speaker 2: now the reports are Luke that he has agreed to

1347
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 2: terms to a deal with the UFC and is expected

1348
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:47,600
Speaker 2: to sign the contract after Saturday's fight. Now it's a

1349
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:52,360
Speaker 2: rematch against Artem Vokatov. And the reason, yeah, the reason

1350
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:54,240
Speaker 2: why this fight is very important. It's for the light

1351
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 2: heavyweight title. Is Padata won their first fight by split

1352
01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:00,160
Speaker 2: decision to become the two division champion. He was the

1353
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:02,840
Speaker 2: interim champion, he was upgraded to the full champion. You know,

1354
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 2: you get a lot of people, Luke, who thought he

1355
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 2: faded late in that first fight and not got a gift.

1356
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:11,640
Speaker 2: But you know, there's enough reason to want to see

1357
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:14,040
Speaker 2: this a second time. We can get to this card

1358
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:17,560
Speaker 2: in a second. But you got to be jumping out

1359
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 2: of your shorts that this guy seems to be this

1360
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:23,040
Speaker 2: close to being on the UFC roster, considering he stopped

1361
01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:25,959
Speaker 2: one Israel, Atasnya and Gloria kick so.

1362
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:29,320
Speaker 1: The kickboxing experts, of which neither of us qualify for that.

1363
01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:32,840
Speaker 1: But what they tell me is that, I mean, you

1364
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:34,560
Speaker 1: can watch the fights and get some sense of them,

1365
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:37,200
Speaker 1: but what they tell me is that Pereira is a

1366
01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:41,120
Speaker 1: devastating puncher. But there's a couple of things that should

1367
01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 1: not give you reason why he won't do well in UFC,

1368
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:45,800
Speaker 1: but that it might not be exactly what Attasnya did,

1369
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:49,080
Speaker 1: which is to say, one, he's starting later in terms

1370
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:51,280
Speaker 1: of his he's already done some MMA. In terms of

1371
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 1: like really making the conversion to MMA, he's starting later

1372
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:56,520
Speaker 1: than at Asnya did. Atasiannya was winning that bout where

1373
01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:58,640
Speaker 1: he got knocked out before he got knocked out, and

1374
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:02,200
Speaker 1: like this, the style that Pata has and some of

1375
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:06,960
Speaker 1: his weaknesses they're a little bit more pronounced. So obviously

1376
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 1: as a striking threat, he is going to fuck everybody up.

1377
01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:14,040
Speaker 1: I mean, that seems quite obvious, but there could be

1378
01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 1: some reasons to think that if he's not match made

1379
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 1: appropriately and does it level up in the way that

1380
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:23,840
Speaker 1: he needs to, uh, you know, just to expect because

1381
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:25,720
Speaker 1: he knocked out at a sign ya oh, he'll have

1382
01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:29,200
Speaker 1: a similar level of success in UFC. He certainly might.

1383
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 1: I just wouldn't say it's a obvious expectation. I would

1384
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:36,200
Speaker 1: actually say that may not be the likeliest of outcomes.

1385
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:39,439
Speaker 1: But and by the way, this dude, Vaktov, I worked

1386
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:41,600
Speaker 1: briefly for Glory. These guys have been fighting Glory for

1387
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:46,640
Speaker 1: a long time. Dude, Vaktov is a fucking animal. He

1388
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 1: is a tremendous fighter. He Pereira might lose this fight

1389
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:53,760
Speaker 1: to Voltov before he even makes his way to MMA.

1390
01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 2: You know, I've read some I've done some background on

1391
01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:58,040
Speaker 2: this head of the show, and you know, those who

1392
01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:00,520
Speaker 2: watched that the full fight in January when they fought

1393
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:03,480
Speaker 2: in and Padato won a five round split decision. We

1394
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 2: talk about Padata's ridiculous power all the time. We show

1395
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:08,800
Speaker 2: his knockouts and have you seen this shit. Vakatov was

1396
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:12,040
Speaker 2: walking through his punches and was the fresher fighter late.

1397
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:15,320
Speaker 2: So this guy has like superhuman chin coming into this.

1398
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:18,160
Speaker 1: I saw Vakitov. I think I could be wrong about this,

1399
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:20,920
Speaker 1: but I'm pretty sure. I was there for Voakytov's glory

1400
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:23,240
Speaker 1: debut and I remember, like some of the other like

1401
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 1: Dutch guys who were part of the promotion, like we're

1402
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:29,560
Speaker 1: watching this guy being like, holy fucking shit, he is good.

1403
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 1: Padeda has his hands full. Boy. Let me just tell

1404
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:34,880
Speaker 1: you right now, this guy vaki Toov is the real

1405
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:38,440
Speaker 1: deal and I have seen him fight personally live. He

1406
01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:40,840
Speaker 1: is He's an absolute savage.

1407
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:45,360
Speaker 2: Bakitov is also from Russia and Luke Padata though he

1408
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:49,040
Speaker 2: is thirty four years old. So it is now we're

1409
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 2: never on making this MMA crossover. I mean, he had

1410
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:53,480
Speaker 2: a fight in LFA in twenty twenty and got a

1411
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:56,200
Speaker 2: knockout win. But you know he's only had three MMA fights.

1412
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:58,200
Speaker 2: It's time to make that move. Is it gonna be

1413
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:01,320
Speaker 2: go Kansaki or is he gonna be you know, Israel

1414
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:03,240
Speaker 2: out of Sonia in this transition, I think it's gonna

1415
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:06,680
Speaker 2: be must CTV and watching that he's the middleweight in

1416
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:10,400
Speaker 2: light heavyweight champion in Gloria. Is that the same equivalent

1417
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:11,640
Speaker 2: weight classes in MMA?

1418
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:14,680
Speaker 1: I don't think they're quite the same, although they're pretty

1419
01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:20,200
Speaker 1: close because I think they go by kilograms. But again,

1420
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:22,600
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not a kickboxing the expert. That's a

1421
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:23,720
Speaker 1: better question for somebody else.

1422
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:26,000
Speaker 2: Okay, what I'm just finding out they're.

1423
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:27,600
Speaker 1: Roughly equivalent, if not identical.

1424
01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:30,000
Speaker 2: Maybe you knew this, Maybe I knew this and didn't

1425
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:33,160
Speaker 2: realize it. But uh, Padata, according to Wikipedia, is fighting

1426
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:36,160
Speaker 2: out of Bethel, Connecticut and fights at Glover to SHARE's

1427
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:39,200
Speaker 2: Jim and Dan Berry. Luke, that dude, that's my backyard

1428
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:42,720
Speaker 2: more or lezed, that's Chuck Mindenhall's backyard more or less. So, uh,

1429
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:45,000
Speaker 2: I should be probably growing out with this guy, right.

1430
01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:47,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, you should go hang out with Alex Podeda. You

1431
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:48,520
Speaker 1: guys are just the same.

1432
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:52,000
Speaker 2: I mean we both bang look in our own distinct professions.

1433
01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:54,640
Speaker 2: I mean we both absolutely are known as you know,

1434
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:56,040
Speaker 2: power hitters. We bring it.

1435
01:07:56,000 --> 01:08:02,640
Speaker 1: Angers, Okay, and Alex Padeda.

1436
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:03,400
Speaker 2: The Dong and the Kong, I mean the King and

1437
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:05,640
Speaker 2: the Ding. I don't know, Luke, him and I will

1438
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:08,200
Speaker 2: get a tango and cash buddy cop movie soon enough.

1439
01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 2: Just the same, Luke, do you think he'll get a

1440
01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:16,200
Speaker 2: big push and Padata in terms of like UFC in

1441
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 2: the past, when they bring in somebody with some buzz,

1442
01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:21,200
Speaker 2: they match him tough right away. Think of all those

1443
01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:23,960
Speaker 2: big Bellatour names that have come in and did not

1444
01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:27,600
Speaker 2: get it. You know, Chandler Alvarez, they got Lesnar for

1445
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:30,920
Speaker 2: crap's sake, They will test you in the damn octagon.

1446
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:32,519
Speaker 2: You think that's gonna be the same.

1447
01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:35,880
Speaker 1: For pa Data probably probably, especially because of his age.

1448
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:37,759
Speaker 1: Like you know, I mentioned this before with Patty Pimbley,

1449
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:40,439
Speaker 1: He's only twenty six, Like, you got time to figure

1450
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:41,880
Speaker 1: out what exactly this guy is going to be. He's

1451
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:44,800
Speaker 1: got a whole presidential cycle before we really have to

1452
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:48,200
Speaker 1: start asking questions about his upside. Potentially with Padata, man,

1453
01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:50,240
Speaker 1: it's a little bit like and here's the thing. Michael

1454
01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:52,720
Speaker 1: Chandler thirty four when he made the transition. But you know,

1455
01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:55,599
Speaker 1: obviously his background was from Bellatour to UFC. It wasn't

1456
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:57,280
Speaker 1: from another sport to this one. And I know he's

1457
01:08:57,280 --> 01:08:59,800
Speaker 1: got Padata has a few MMA fights, But what I'm

1458
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:01,200
Speaker 1: saying saying is that you know, that was a much

1459
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:03,200
Speaker 1: smoother one. And the point I'm trying to make here

1460
01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:06,760
Speaker 1: BC is Chandler was eyes wide open He even said

1461
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:08,519
Speaker 1: to UFC, I'm not here for a long time. I'm

1462
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:10,360
Speaker 1: here for a good time. I want to prove that

1463
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:11,560
Speaker 1: I'm the best in the world, or i want to

1464
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:13,360
Speaker 1: prove that I'm not. But I'm out there to just

1465
01:09:13,400 --> 01:09:16,719
Speaker 1: get it done. Like he had exactly the right attitude,

1466
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:18,479
Speaker 1: and I think UFC understood that, and it said, you

1467
01:09:18,479 --> 01:09:20,360
Speaker 1: know what, with that kind of attitude, we can promote

1468
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:22,240
Speaker 1: this guy in any way that you know makes sense

1469
01:09:22,280 --> 01:09:24,960
Speaker 1: for us because he's on board with that same kind

1470
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:27,040
Speaker 1: of vision. But at a thirty four man, you need

1471
01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:30,160
Speaker 1: to be like, you can't slow walk this guy. You

1472
01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:32,439
Speaker 1: could take your time a little bit at first, but

1473
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:34,880
Speaker 1: you know what, You're gonna wait till he's thirty seven

1474
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:37,599
Speaker 1: before he start asking questions like it's hard to win

1475
01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:40,080
Speaker 1: to gain the skills that he needs to succeed at

1476
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:43,120
Speaker 1: a high level. When this is really the first major

1477
01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:46,559
Speaker 1: conversion to MMA, So we'll see. I'm excited, But again,

1478
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:48,639
Speaker 1: this is not out of Soignia two point zero.

1479
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:51,680
Speaker 2: This card takes place in Rotterdam, and the Netherlands.

1480
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:52,800
Speaker 1: Are a nice place.

1481
01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:55,439
Speaker 2: Friend of the show, Todd Grisham on the call, Look,

1482
01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:57,559
Speaker 2: I don't know if these guys on the Carter juicing up.

1483
01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:00,240
Speaker 2: But I'm pretty sure Grisham, is you see the shirtless

1484
01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:02,800
Speaker 2: on Facebook holding this kids, he's got the tats and

1485
01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:06,320
Speaker 2: the cut that it's like forty four? No chance that's natural. Okay, no, check.

1486
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:09,719
Speaker 1: Listen to Todd's amazing. We love Todd on the show. Frankly,

1487
01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:12,000
Speaker 1: we're jealous of Todd on the show. We could be honest,

1488
01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:14,400
Speaker 1: but Todd, you gotta hook your boys up here with

1489
01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:17,320
Speaker 1: some with some of that good good Yeah you know

1490
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:17,840
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.

1491
01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:20,599
Speaker 2: Can I get some of that win strawl that you're taking?

1492
01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:25,000
Speaker 2: Can you inject it right in my prick? Todd? Please? Okay, Okay, Luke, Actually, Luke,

1493
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:27,000
Speaker 2: you know I'm not trying not to talk like that anymore. Okay.

1494
01:10:27,240 --> 01:10:29,840
Speaker 2: I want this show, Luke, for as long as this show.

1495
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:32,680
Speaker 2: Like Michael Chandler, we are here for a good, a

1496
01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:35,280
Speaker 2: good ass time, all right. We gotta clean this shit

1497
01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:38,479
Speaker 2: up a bit, Luke. Glory seventy, of course, headlined by

1498
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:41,120
Speaker 2: the return of the legend bar Her Harry. You and

1499
01:10:41,160 --> 01:10:43,439
Speaker 2: I are not kickboxing experts, Although I am excited to

1500
01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:46,479
Speaker 2: watch this card and get a little closer, just as

1501
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:49,000
Speaker 2: I'm excited to see Alistair overhim. Come back and make

1502
01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:51,960
Speaker 2: big fights here. I'm not even gonna try to pronounce

1503
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:55,560
Speaker 2: the guy he's fighting against, Luke, because it's very Polish.

1504
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:58,679
Speaker 2: He's been off for a while. This this Moroccan Dutch stud.

1505
01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:01,679
Speaker 2: You love your self some botter Harry, don't you, Luke.

1506
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:04,519
Speaker 1: Everyone loves Botter Harry, even though they recognize he's a

1507
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:08,000
Speaker 1: bit of a mess at times. He is, you know,

1508
01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:11,440
Speaker 1: I think at times he's been the crown Prince of kickboxing.

1509
01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:14,280
Speaker 1: At times he's been the clown prince of boxing or kickboxing,

1510
01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:17,600
Speaker 1: I should say, but he is must sye for heavyweight kickboxing.

1511
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:23,880
Speaker 1: He is when he's on, he's a force. The fight

1512
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:26,720
Speaker 1: that they had promoted between he and vere Hooven and

1513
01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:28,800
Speaker 1: put it, put it in the Netherlands, it was as

1514
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:32,040
Speaker 1: I mean it. Glory did a phenomenal job with that,

1515
01:11:32,479 --> 01:11:34,120
Speaker 1: and batter Harry is just, you know, he's just an

1516
01:11:34,120 --> 01:11:35,599
Speaker 1: easy guy to promote. I don't know if the Conor

1517
01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:37,360
Speaker 1: McGregor thing makes sense. I don't think it quite works

1518
01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:39,400
Speaker 1: that way. But he is a big name, he has

1519
01:11:39,479 --> 01:11:42,759
Speaker 1: big power, he has exciting fights, he has an exciting style.

1520
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:45,400
Speaker 1: But he's had some troubles inside and outside the ring.

1521
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:47,720
Speaker 1: I don't know much about his opponent quite frankly, I'll

1522
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:50,280
Speaker 1: be candid about that. But you just see batter Harry.

1523
01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:52,760
Speaker 1: He's that batter Harry is that guy? Better Harry is

1524
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:54,679
Speaker 1: that guy for you and me, we see his name

1525
01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:56,680
Speaker 1: on the line up more like ah, instantly, Okay, I

1526
01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:58,880
Speaker 1: know this guy is. And his fights with Overem and

1527
01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:00,880
Speaker 1: everything else, they've just been fun nominal and so there

1528
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:02,240
Speaker 1: were huge. That's where we come down.

1529
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:04,559
Speaker 2: They crossed over into MMA, those fights with over him,

1530
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:06,400
Speaker 2: they were a big deal. He's thirty six years old,

1531
01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:08,960
Speaker 2: nicknamed the Golden Boy, of course, and Luke, he's winless

1532
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:13,120
Speaker 2: in his last four, including three stoppage losses and a

1533
01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:15,439
Speaker 2: no contest, and he's been out for a year. So

1534
01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:17,599
Speaker 2: we'll see if he can come back and get another

1535
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:20,879
Speaker 2: big win. Of course, that's in the heavyweight division. Interesting

1536
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:22,880
Speaker 2: all right, Luke, I want to close our main segment

1537
01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:27,559
Speaker 2: here with some quick hitters and sort of get your reaction, Luke,

1538
01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:31,840
Speaker 2: all things Triller. I don't mean to laugh, Luke, but

1539
01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:33,400
Speaker 2: it's been a wild ride for Triller.

1540
01:12:33,439 --> 01:12:35,160
Speaker 1: I only laugh talking about Triller.

1541
01:12:35,320 --> 01:12:38,599
Speaker 2: I am looking forward to the Oscar card, not this weekend,

1542
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:40,840
Speaker 2: but the week after for for many different reasons. But

1543
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:45,040
Speaker 2: Evander Holyfield, who was supposed to be boxing Kevin McBride

1544
01:12:45,080 --> 01:12:48,880
Speaker 2: and then hopefully eventually Mike Tyson, is now filed a

1545
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:52,799
Speaker 2: demand for arbitration, claiming Triller owes him millions of dollars

1546
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:55,439
Speaker 2: for that proposed fight that doesn't have a date in it.

1547
01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:57,639
Speaker 2: I don't even know if it's going to be rescheduled. Luke,

1548
01:12:57,800 --> 01:12:59,760
Speaker 2: Triller made a lot of promises to holy Field he's

1549
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:03,200
Speaker 2: been in training. I'm sure those promises included a third

1550
01:13:03,200 --> 01:13:07,080
Speaker 2: fight with Mike Tyson. Unfortunately, Tyson is suing Triller right now.

1551
01:13:08,280 --> 01:13:11,200
Speaker 2: Look how much longer can this last? Seriously, when you're

1552
01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:13,639
Speaker 2: when the biggot, when you lose Jake Paul, your biggest face,

1553
01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:18,080
Speaker 2: your other faces are suing you, or you're suing them. Actually, sorry,

1554
01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:23,120
Speaker 2: Triller is suing Tyson. Now Holyfield's filing something against against Triller.

1555
01:13:23,479 --> 01:13:26,240
Speaker 2: And then meanwhile, they paid six million dollars to put

1556
01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:28,840
Speaker 2: Tayo Fima Lopez on a Tuesday night.

1557
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:32,080
Speaker 1: Luke, dude, how much of a financial bath assuming that

1558
01:13:32,120 --> 01:13:34,840
Speaker 1: they pay him all the money, which you know, I'm

1559
01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:37,479
Speaker 1: not saying that they won't, but I'm curious to see it.

1560
01:13:38,040 --> 01:13:41,280
Speaker 1: You'll make sure that check clears. Right. Let's assume that

1561
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:43,880
Speaker 1: they pay him whatever they the purse bid was. Dude,

1562
01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:47,960
Speaker 1: how much of a financial bath are they going to

1563
01:13:48,040 --> 01:13:50,400
Speaker 1: take on that one? It's going to be unreal? You

1564
01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:52,240
Speaker 1: have you didn't Eve bring up Roy Jones Junior telling

1565
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:55,080
Speaker 1: Sports Illustrated's Chris Mannix that he was planning on suing them.

1566
01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:56,840
Speaker 1: I don't know what the situation is with that, because

1567
01:13:57,080 --> 01:13:58,800
Speaker 1: he didn't get paid what he was promised. I don't

1568
01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:03,000
Speaker 1: know why folks think every dude, I lived through Affliction

1569
01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:05,439
Speaker 1: putting on the Mega Death Show I saw. I know

1570
01:14:05,479 --> 01:14:07,840
Speaker 1: how this movie ends now. Obviously, Affliction is a bit

1571
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:10,360
Speaker 1: of a different model than what you have with Triller, because,

1572
01:14:10,360 --> 01:14:11,960
Speaker 1: as we've been over it, it's an app that's supposed

1573
01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:15,040
Speaker 1: to be a TikTok competitor, and there is something kind

1574
01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:17,240
Speaker 1: of to that, although not a whole lot, but you

1575
01:14:17,240 --> 01:14:20,519
Speaker 1: got all this venture capital money. They're just pissing away

1576
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:24,320
Speaker 1: and everyone thinks if you hire trick Daddy and was

1577
01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:26,560
Speaker 1: it no excuse metric Daddy it was too short? And

1578
01:14:27,080 --> 01:14:29,880
Speaker 1: ice Cube and everybody else in Bieber and the Black Keys. Wow,

1579
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:32,719
Speaker 1: this is so different, this is so great. No, you Rubes,

1580
01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:36,200
Speaker 1: this is expensive. This is why fight promoters who've been

1581
01:14:36,240 --> 01:14:38,600
Speaker 1: around a long time, like Bob Aram. You can have

1582
01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:41,200
Speaker 1: your criticisms of Bob Aram, but he's not still in

1583
01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:45,280
Speaker 1: business by fucking accident because for the most part, he

1584
01:14:45,439 --> 01:14:47,800
Speaker 1: knows what he's doing. You ever been to a Bob

1585
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:50,559
Speaker 1: Aram show that just had fucking Drake come out and

1586
01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:53,120
Speaker 1: do his new album Like never because it's a waste

1587
01:14:53,160 --> 01:14:55,839
Speaker 1: of money. The margins don't work that way in this business.

1588
01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:58,120
Speaker 1: This is why, For example, my sister was explained as me,

1589
01:14:58,200 --> 01:14:59,519
Speaker 1: like I told you remember them at the beginning of

1590
01:14:59,560 --> 01:15:02,400
Speaker 1: the pandemic, my family sold their restaurant. They sold it

1591
01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:04,600
Speaker 1: in March. What they explained to me was if you

1592
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:07,280
Speaker 1: go and see these like celebrity chefs like Bobby Flay

1593
01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:09,680
Speaker 1: and whoever else, they own like a thousand restaurants, and

1594
01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:11,040
Speaker 1: you must be like, wow, man, they must make a

1595
01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:13,320
Speaker 1: lot of money. And they do. But what she explained

1596
01:15:13,320 --> 01:15:15,800
Speaker 1: to me was like, restaurants don't really make much money.

1597
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:17,960
Speaker 1: They make very very little. So the way to make

1598
01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:21,160
Speaker 1: money in restauranting is to have five or six and

1599
01:15:21,240 --> 01:15:23,679
Speaker 1: then all together. That's when you get your big big

1600
01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:25,960
Speaker 1: ass checks. You know, dude, there's just not a lot

1601
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:28,759
Speaker 1: of money for those kinds of expenses in fight promotion.

1602
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:31,720
Speaker 1: And everyone seems to think that they reinvented the fucking wheel. No,

1603
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:34,960
Speaker 1: they reinvented debt. That's what they reinvented. Here's a new

1604
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:37,960
Speaker 1: way to incur debt for no fucking good reason. So

1605
01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:41,200
Speaker 1: congratulations if you brought into that shit, you're a dumbass.

1606
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:44,040
Speaker 2: There it is. There it is. By the way, jay

1607
01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:46,160
Speaker 2: Z and Rock Nation tried to get into boxing and

1608
01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:49,920
Speaker 2: put fabulous concerts on before the main events. Again, nobody cared.

1609
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:51,280
Speaker 1: Let me guess. Did they fail?

1610
01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:54,599
Speaker 2: Yeah they did, they did so. Uh hey, I'm still

1611
01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:57,160
Speaker 2: gonna watch that shit show in September eleventh. We'll see

1612
01:15:57,160 --> 01:15:57,479
Speaker 2: what happens.

1613
01:15:57,520 --> 01:16:01,679
Speaker 1: Oh, I'll watch because I really like Teo fim Lopez.

1614
01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:03,360
Speaker 1: I've been a big believer in his for a while.

1615
01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:05,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, fit, But you.

1616
01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:07,200
Speaker 1: Know, can you imagine being on the hook for that.

1617
01:16:07,160 --> 01:16:11,320
Speaker 2: Shit like Sean O'Malley. This week, Luke admitted that he

1618
01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:14,400
Speaker 2: turned down and offered to fight Frankie Edgar and said

1619
01:16:14,439 --> 01:16:18,320
Speaker 2: he doesn't want big fights until he gets big money.

1620
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:22,479
Speaker 2: Do you think O'Malley is making a smart move by

1621
01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:25,960
Speaker 2: by not fighting, you know, a fight that could give

1622
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:29,280
Speaker 2: him a lot of critical respect in more big name

1623
01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:31,520
Speaker 2: exposure by following this trajectory.

1624
01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:34,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think in theory it sounds nice and it's

1625
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:36,880
Speaker 1: not wrong. Right where if you were you know, why

1626
01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:39,599
Speaker 1: am I taking more risk for the exact same amount

1627
01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:41,439
Speaker 1: of money? That makes no sense. I understand that, But

1628
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:44,040
Speaker 1: like with these UFC fighters, really just have to understand

1629
01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:47,800
Speaker 1: at some points they don't they don't hold the leverage, Like, dude,

1630
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:49,960
Speaker 1: do you hear fans? For example, this is a very

1631
01:16:49,960 --> 01:16:53,360
Speaker 1: different situation, but like, where is the fan demand for

1632
01:16:53,439 --> 01:16:56,120
Speaker 1: John Jones right now? Like our fans being like, man,

1633
01:16:56,160 --> 01:16:58,960
Speaker 1: we just can't watch heavyweights anymore if John Jones isn't there. Yeah,

1634
01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:00,960
Speaker 1: you see some people being and us on the show.

1635
01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:03,160
Speaker 1: We want to see John return and fight whoever they

1636
01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:04,800
Speaker 1: you know that they can come to an agreement with.

1637
01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:07,840
Speaker 1: But like dude, they don't need him for money. They

1638
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:10,479
Speaker 1: made more money in the last quarter than they have

1639
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:13,400
Speaker 1: in any single quarter in the company's fucking history. Like

1640
01:17:13,479 --> 01:17:16,240
Speaker 1: what are people talking about? So for me, it's like

1641
01:17:16,439 --> 01:17:20,479
Speaker 1: I understand the rational perspective he's taking, but by what

1642
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:23,360
Speaker 1: leverage do you have to do this where it can

1643
01:17:23,439 --> 01:17:28,360
Speaker 1: reasonably affect your pocketbook, other than between contracts, which is

1644
01:17:28,360 --> 01:17:31,320
Speaker 1: what it's always been. And even then it's pretty modest,

1645
01:17:31,439 --> 01:17:34,240
Speaker 1: Like the pay stays the same. I keep trying explain

1646
01:17:34,280 --> 01:17:36,360
Speaker 1: to the folks, the pay stays the same as a

1647
01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:40,280
Speaker 1: percentage anyway, every year they do that because everything is

1648
01:17:40,360 --> 01:17:43,240
Speaker 1: formulaic with them, people like, oh, I'm gonna do this

1649
01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:45,719
Speaker 1: and do that to get more money. It just doesn't

1650
01:17:45,760 --> 01:17:47,280
Speaker 1: really work that way. Well.

1651
01:17:47,320 --> 01:17:50,840
Speaker 2: Speaking of lack of fighter leverage, Aliakinta continued a trend

1652
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:53,599
Speaker 2: of late by telling your Al Hawani that yes he's

1653
01:17:53,600 --> 01:17:56,600
Speaker 2: excited for his schedule fight with Bobby Green, but that

1654
01:17:56,760 --> 01:17:59,800
Speaker 2: he never signed the contract before UFC announced it and

1655
01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:03,080
Speaker 2: he had some questions about his contract and concerns. So,

1656
01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:05,720
Speaker 2: according to Iaquinta, he reached out to Sean Shelby in

1657
01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:08,360
Speaker 2: Hunter Campbell for two and a half weeks Luke, but

1658
01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:11,519
Speaker 2: never heard back and then suddenly saw the news that

1659
01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:14,800
Speaker 2: the fight was announced. Dude, I mean we said it before.

1660
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:17,000
Speaker 2: We can only keep saying it every time, like this

1661
01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:19,800
Speaker 2: is a bullshit move by the promotion. I'm sorry, like

1662
01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:24,120
Speaker 2: it is, Like that's a absolute bullshit move. But you

1663
01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:26,479
Speaker 2: know you said it many times and I'll say it again,

1664
01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:29,320
Speaker 2: like we can keep calling this out, but until the

1665
01:18:29,320 --> 01:18:32,640
Speaker 2: fighters want to do something about it, you know it

1666
01:18:32,720 --> 01:18:33,960
Speaker 2: is what it is. You gotta keep doing it.

1667
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:36,800
Speaker 1: I feel bad. They should not announce fights that are

1668
01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:39,000
Speaker 1: not signed. They should not do it to pressure fighters.

1669
01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:41,559
Speaker 1: They should not do it to make cards look better.

1670
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:45,880
Speaker 1: It's not okay, But who's gonna stop them quickly?

1671
01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:48,440
Speaker 2: To close here, Luke, this is one of those potential

1672
01:18:48,479 --> 01:18:51,840
Speaker 2: good news in boxing's bullshit. We didn't talk about it

1673
01:18:52,120 --> 01:18:55,439
Speaker 2: because we were busy and on vacation. But three weeks

1674
01:18:55,439 --> 01:18:58,479
Speaker 2: ago Luke PBC put on a Fox main event that

1675
01:18:58,520 --> 01:19:01,400
Speaker 2: it was just dreadful on paper, Michael Fox against a

1676
01:19:01,439 --> 01:19:04,280
Speaker 2: fighter by the last name I think of Maystree, Maestree.

1677
01:19:04,360 --> 01:19:06,400
Speaker 2: He was only three and oh yet it was foreign

1678
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:12,040
Speaker 2: interim WBA title. Luke, another one of those just like, hey, WBA,

1679
01:19:12,120 --> 01:19:14,360
Speaker 2: you're putting out eighty six titles per division. What are

1680
01:19:14,360 --> 01:19:17,599
Speaker 2: we doing here? Well, Michael Fox seemed to have won

1681
01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:21,040
Speaker 2: that fight with these, but got absolutely robbed on the scorecards.

1682
01:19:21,080 --> 01:19:24,760
Speaker 2: Lou Subsequently, the judge who most robbed him, they saw

1683
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:27,200
Speaker 2: a racist. Everyone did some research fund a ton of

1684
01:19:27,439 --> 01:19:31,479
Speaker 2: basically racist tweets. So WBA was under a fairly large

1685
01:19:31,479 --> 01:19:34,120
Speaker 2: shit storm, rightfully so, by the way, because of the

1686
01:19:34,160 --> 01:19:38,640
Speaker 2: most egregious of the four boxing bodies. So in WBA seventeen,

1687
01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:41,479
Speaker 2: there's seventeen weight divisions in boxing. You know, we have

1688
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:46,360
Speaker 2: four recognized champions. Yet the WBA has over forty champions

1689
01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:49,759
Speaker 2: in those seventeen divisions because of the interim vacant gold

1690
01:19:50,280 --> 01:19:53,840
Speaker 2: champion in recess super champion bullshit. So, Luke, here's something

1691
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:58,120
Speaker 2: you don't see often. The Association of Boxing Commissions sent

1692
01:19:58,160 --> 01:20:00,160
Speaker 2: a letter. Mike Miszoli, the head of it, who who

1693
01:20:00,200 --> 01:20:03,080
Speaker 2: I think you know well as well, sent a letter

1694
01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:07,400
Speaker 2: out threatening to stop that all fifty states would stop

1695
01:20:07,479 --> 01:20:11,599
Speaker 2: recognizing all WBA sanctioned bouts across every state if they

1696
01:20:11,600 --> 01:20:15,200
Speaker 2: didn't clean up their act. So the WBA responded by

1697
01:20:15,240 --> 01:20:19,080
Speaker 2: saying it would eliminate all interim champions and even further,

1698
01:20:19,200 --> 01:20:21,880
Speaker 2: the WBA said that any title that holds any fighter

1699
01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:24,920
Speaker 2: that holds titles in multiple divisions, like a Gervonte Davis

1700
01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:27,760
Speaker 2: for example, who has secondary titles in two different weight

1701
01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:30,880
Speaker 2: classes with WBA had to decide which title they wanted

1702
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:33,519
Speaker 2: and which title they would give up and in further

1703
01:20:33,640 --> 01:20:38,200
Speaker 2: eliminating these meaningless ones, they're making mandatory matchups to kind

1704
01:20:38,200 --> 01:20:40,880
Speaker 2: of further eliminate it. So on the surface, look, this

1705
01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:42,400
Speaker 2: is good news, but I gotta be honest with you,

1706
01:20:42,439 --> 01:20:44,479
Speaker 2: the WBA came out to pressure about four five years

1707
01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:47,479
Speaker 2: ago and did the same thing, only to continue to

1708
01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:49,880
Speaker 2: do the same bullshit. Look, I think the key in

1709
01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:53,160
Speaker 2: this news is this the Association of Boxing Commissions, the

1710
01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:56,920
Speaker 2: ABC finally stepped up because there was enough bad press

1711
01:20:56,960 --> 01:20:59,879
Speaker 2: about this and people were just like what the fuck boxing?

1712
01:21:00,160 --> 01:21:03,519
Speaker 2: Like seriously, like what the f Obviously this fight wasn't

1713
01:21:03,560 --> 01:21:07,360
Speaker 2: prominent enough where it became a mainstream sports story. But

1714
01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:10,559
Speaker 2: can the ABC get their shit together too and actually

1715
01:21:10,680 --> 01:21:13,479
Speaker 2: like take charge of this sport so that this type

1716
01:21:13,479 --> 01:21:15,920
Speaker 2: of bullshit that everyone just deals with the fact that

1717
01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:18,559
Speaker 2: there's so many champions per division and it makes no sense.

1718
01:21:18,680 --> 01:21:21,640
Speaker 2: And it's also the WBA and other sanctioning bodies can

1719
01:21:21,680 --> 01:21:24,439
Speaker 2: line their pockets. I mean, is this what needs to happen?

1720
01:21:24,479 --> 01:21:24,719
Speaker 1: Luke.

1721
01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:26,600
Speaker 2: People need to just write about it like crazy, and

1722
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:28,679
Speaker 2: there needs to be a public scandal for them to change.

1723
01:21:29,200 --> 01:21:32,120
Speaker 1: Scandal helps, But the ABC is somewhat powerless they're not.

1724
01:21:32,160 --> 01:21:34,120
Speaker 1: They don't have federal as you know, they don't have

1725
01:21:34,160 --> 01:21:40,000
Speaker 1: federal authority. They're an advisory body. So there's only so

1726
01:21:40,120 --> 01:21:41,960
Speaker 1: much that they can do. Well. That's certainly on the

1727
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:44,200
Speaker 1: MMA side. I'm not sure if their power extends beyond

1728
01:21:44,240 --> 01:21:45,960
Speaker 1: that on the boxing side either.

1729
01:21:46,120 --> 01:21:49,920
Speaker 2: But but you saw when Missouli threatened to recommend that

1730
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:52,919
Speaker 2: all fifty states and all you know, Native American grounds

1731
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:57,880
Speaker 2: stop recognizing the title. That's when they bent finally, Yes, so.

1732
01:21:57,960 --> 01:22:02,320
Speaker 1: Because he could coalect form a coalition of people to

1733
01:22:02,400 --> 01:22:05,760
Speaker 1: do it. But you're asking ABC to, I think, to

1734
01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:09,080
Speaker 1: do things it's not legally equipped to do in terms

1735
01:22:09,120 --> 01:22:11,080
Speaker 1: of just the power of the body itself.

1736
01:22:11,720 --> 01:22:15,160
Speaker 2: You know, Look, I would love it if more people

1737
01:22:15,160 --> 01:22:19,000
Speaker 2: in boxing that have power, networks, promoters join together to

1738
01:22:19,080 --> 01:22:22,200
Speaker 2: end the bullshit. But unfortunately, Luke. Networks love when there's

1739
01:22:22,280 --> 01:22:24,280
Speaker 2: titles attached to fights even when they're not there, and

1740
01:22:24,439 --> 01:22:26,800
Speaker 2: promoters love it. The sanctioning bodies love it because they

1741
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:29,120
Speaker 2: get that three percent, and that three percent adds up,

1742
01:22:29,160 --> 01:22:31,240
Speaker 2: by the way, when fighters are making millions. And then

1743
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:33,280
Speaker 2: of course the fighters love it because they get to

1744
01:22:33,439 --> 01:22:37,240
Speaker 2: call themselves a world champion even though you're the secondary

1745
01:22:37,439 --> 01:22:41,599
Speaker 2: or third champion under the WBA in your weight class,

1746
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:44,439
Speaker 2: which already has four champions. I mean it's I guess

1747
01:22:44,479 --> 01:22:46,800
Speaker 2: it's no different, Luke, than you know you could be like, hey,

1748
01:22:46,840 --> 01:22:49,599
Speaker 2: my high school basketball team won the state title that year.

1749
01:22:50,479 --> 01:22:54,040
Speaker 2: Well you won like the Class S title against farm schools.

1750
01:22:54,320 --> 01:22:56,599
Speaker 2: You ain't bet in that city team any any time.

1751
01:22:56,640 --> 01:22:58,840
Speaker 2: You know, this ain't this ain't hoosiers, Luke. Okay, so

1752
01:22:59,200 --> 01:23:03,000
Speaker 2: you know that's cool. All right, that's cool, that's good. Yeah,

1753
01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:05,600
Speaker 2: all right, Look that's pretty much wrong. But luckily we

1754
01:23:05,640 --> 01:23:08,280
Speaker 2: have a segment to check ourselves when we are wrong.

1755
01:23:08,439 --> 01:23:11,719
Speaker 2: So Morningcombat at gmail dot com is your email address.

1756
01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:14,720
Speaker 2: Every Friday, we look in the mirror, and you know,

1757
01:23:14,760 --> 01:23:25,559
Speaker 2: we get honest with ourselves. It's called dead wrong. All right,

1758
01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:27,800
Speaker 2: Adam is here, He says, hello, BC. You stated on

1759
01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:30,040
Speaker 2: Wednesday show at the twenty five minute mark that Kelvin

1760
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:33,439
Speaker 2: Gastallum has lost five fights in a row. That's dead wrong.

1761
01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:36,200
Speaker 2: He lost five of his last six. Keep up the

1762
01:23:36,240 --> 01:23:39,160
Speaker 2: good work. I like, I like you have a bad

1763
01:23:39,200 --> 01:23:43,320
Speaker 2: liver in skin tax and you inspired me to stop

1764
01:23:43,360 --> 01:23:45,839
Speaker 2: eating at seven to eleven and gas station hot dogs

1765
01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:48,679
Speaker 2: please guys, gas stations are the silent killer. So get

1766
01:23:48,760 --> 01:23:50,120
Speaker 2: By the way, my wife just gave me a book

1767
01:23:50,120 --> 01:23:52,080
Speaker 2: about liver health, Luke. I've been starting to read it. There,

1768
01:23:52,160 --> 01:23:54,080
Speaker 2: I'm ready, I'm ready. Okay, a lot of green helps.

1769
01:23:54,080 --> 01:23:56,840
Speaker 1: Okay. That sounds like a sensational read.

1770
01:23:57,240 --> 01:23:59,760
Speaker 2: It's a great read. By the way, I'll take that, ol. Yes,

1771
01:24:00,280 --> 01:24:02,400
Speaker 2: unless five of six, I in passing said five in

1772
01:24:02,439 --> 01:24:04,200
Speaker 2: a row, but you get you get the drift here,

1773
01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:07,760
Speaker 2: all right, John says on the post Fight show on

1774
01:24:07,840 --> 01:24:11,439
Speaker 2: Saturday Night, around the nine minute mark of Woodley and Paul,

1775
01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:14,400
Speaker 2: Luke claimed that the judge gave rounds five to nine

1776
01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:17,120
Speaker 2: all to Jake Paul. Unfortunately, Luke, this was only an

1777
01:24:17,120 --> 01:24:17,760
Speaker 2: eight round fight.

1778
01:24:18,040 --> 01:24:19,639
Speaker 1: Five to nine to all to Woodley.

1779
01:24:20,160 --> 01:24:22,400
Speaker 2: It looks yeah, well maybe he's dead, right, yeah, five

1780
01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:24,000
Speaker 2: to eight, five to eight, there was no round nine.

1781
01:24:24,080 --> 01:24:26,280
Speaker 2: It looks like Luke would fit in there with all

1782
01:24:26,280 --> 01:24:28,559
Speaker 2: the other great boxing judges. Love you guys, and if

1783
01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:31,080
Speaker 2: you're coming on, come on, thank you.

1784
01:24:31,160 --> 01:24:32,960
Speaker 1: It was pretty clear we were talking about how did

1785
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:35,599
Speaker 1: Woodley get the seventy seven seventy five scorecard, and it's

1786
01:24:35,640 --> 01:24:38,080
Speaker 1: because he got four, which he deserved, and then he

1787
01:24:38,120 --> 01:24:40,960
Speaker 1: got five through eight. So we got four, five, six, seven, eight,

1788
01:24:40,960 --> 01:24:44,519
Speaker 1: which just makes zero sense. Luke.

1789
01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:45,960
Speaker 2: While we're here and we're saying a lot of nice

1790
01:24:45,960 --> 01:24:47,840
Speaker 2: things about Ariel, and I'm happy to be on the

1791
01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:49,760
Speaker 2: good side of this, I don't like that Ariel keeps

1792
01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:52,519
Speaker 2: saying that this fight for Woodley was for his legacy,

1793
01:24:52,720 --> 01:24:57,439
Speaker 2: that like like Askrin, years from now, people would remember

1794
01:24:57,720 --> 01:24:59,760
Speaker 2: this stain at the end. People are not good. When

1795
01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:01,679
Speaker 2: people were gonna talk about Tyron Wodley in twenty years,

1796
01:25:01,800 --> 01:25:04,400
Speaker 2: they're not talking about whether he could have boxed Jake

1797
01:25:04,439 --> 01:25:06,479
Speaker 2: Paul and an alien could have came and banged him

1798
01:25:06,479 --> 01:25:09,479
Speaker 2: from behind as a parachute man dropped it on top

1799
01:25:09,560 --> 01:25:11,800
Speaker 2: of them. Luke, and people would still say in the

1800
01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:14,679
Speaker 2: first line of his oh bit former UFC walterweight Champions,

1801
01:25:14,680 --> 01:25:15,479
Speaker 2: So can we get past that?

1802
01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:18,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there's that's probably true. I mean, and by

1803
01:25:18,200 --> 01:25:20,040
Speaker 1: the way, and I don't think Aeriel minds you if

1804
01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:22,280
Speaker 1: he disagree with his points, so I don't. I'm with you.

1805
01:25:22,280 --> 01:25:24,360
Speaker 1: I don't agree with that at all. I would say though,

1806
01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:26,559
Speaker 1: that there was to me, like the best way, how

1807
01:25:26,560 --> 01:25:30,040
Speaker 1: would you couch this the actual significance of it, And

1808
01:25:30,080 --> 01:25:32,160
Speaker 1: from a negative standpoint, if he had really shipped the bed,

1809
01:25:32,200 --> 01:25:35,040
Speaker 1: it would have just it would have somewhat magnified the

1810
01:25:35,160 --> 01:25:37,720
Speaker 1: end of his UFC run. But you know, he had

1811
01:25:37,720 --> 01:25:41,519
Speaker 1: his moments and the fight was kind of whateversh. But

1812
01:25:41,560 --> 01:25:44,000
Speaker 1: the reality is, I do think, and I said this before,

1813
01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:46,000
Speaker 1: I do think if he had won and kind of

1814
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:49,720
Speaker 1: like somewhat emphatically but just one I don't know, I

1815
01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:51,479
Speaker 1: feel like he would have that would have been the

1816
01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:53,760
Speaker 1: mechanism to get the fans to love him in a

1817
01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:57,400
Speaker 1: way that his actual MMA career never really materialized in.

1818
01:25:58,080 --> 01:26:00,799
Speaker 2: But either way good or bad, meaning he gets knocked

1819
01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:02,639
Speaker 2: out in the first round by Jake or he wins,

1820
01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:06,000
Speaker 2: it's fleeting, it's short, it's like meme season, right.

1821
01:26:05,960 --> 01:26:07,800
Speaker 1: Yes, I think that's right. I agree with you.

1822
01:26:07,920 --> 01:26:10,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like Luke, do you remember when Jerry Rice was

1823
01:26:10,120 --> 01:26:12,240
Speaker 2: like forty three and he just didn't want to go

1824
01:26:12,280 --> 01:26:14,160
Speaker 2: away and he tried to hang on as like the

1825
01:26:14,200 --> 01:26:17,719
Speaker 2: fourth string Denver Broncos receiver and then finally in training

1826
01:26:17,720 --> 01:26:19,360
Speaker 2: camp they mercifully cut him. Do you remember that?

1827
01:26:19,800 --> 01:26:22,640
Speaker 1: Yeah? I remember when No, you don't remember that. I

1828
01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:25,040
Speaker 1: remember when Michael Jordan played for the fucking Wizards.

1829
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:27,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well that's a little I mean he was actually

1830
01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:28,360
Speaker 2: still good at least, but.

1831
01:26:28,479 --> 01:26:31,200
Speaker 1: No, Mike, he was fine, but like he was fine.

1832
01:26:31,200 --> 01:26:32,760
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not exactly the equivalent, but I'm just

1833
01:26:32,760 --> 01:26:35,639
Speaker 1: pointing out, like, when you think about what Michael Jordan did,

1834
01:26:35,680 --> 01:26:37,479
Speaker 1: you can add the point totals and whatever else he

1835
01:26:37,520 --> 01:26:39,400
Speaker 1: did from the time of the Wizards, but the Michael

1836
01:26:39,479 --> 01:26:42,080
Speaker 1: Jordan time is the bulls time. Everything else is like,

1837
01:26:42,360 --> 01:26:44,880
Speaker 1: you know, it does not matter, but it's not so significant.

1838
01:26:45,200 --> 01:26:48,240
Speaker 2: No time heals a lot, like the criticism, Like, you know,

1839
01:26:48,360 --> 01:26:50,360
Speaker 2: Floyd sent me to hell because I challenged his resume

1840
01:26:50,439 --> 01:26:52,559
Speaker 2: on purpose to get a great SoundBite out of him.

1841
01:26:52,600 --> 01:26:54,640
Speaker 2: But even that, Luke, every year that goes by, we

1842
01:26:54,680 --> 01:26:58,240
Speaker 2: talk less and less about Floyd handpicking opponents. Fifteen years

1843
01:26:58,240 --> 01:27:00,000
Speaker 2: from now, we're gonna be like, you know, a Flod's

1844
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:02,040
Speaker 2: probably one of the six or seven greatest ever where

1845
01:27:02,160 --> 01:27:04,080
Speaker 2: when he retired we were still kind of holding some

1846
01:27:04,080 --> 01:27:04,800
Speaker 2: shit against him.

1847
01:27:04,840 --> 01:27:08,240
Speaker 1: You know, I think that's true. People forget things over time.

1848
01:27:08,439 --> 01:27:09,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, Luke.

1849
01:27:09,320 --> 01:27:09,680
Speaker 1: All Right.

1850
01:27:09,960 --> 01:27:12,160
Speaker 2: A man named Brian slides in and says BC was

1851
01:27:12,160 --> 01:27:15,440
Speaker 2: dead wrong when talking about Vicente Luke and Nathan Diaz

1852
01:27:15,680 --> 01:27:19,599
Speaker 2: when saying the winner could fight Charles olivera next, Luk

1853
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:22,960
Speaker 2: fights at one seventy and Charlie Olives is the lightweight

1854
01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:25,920
Speaker 2: CHAMPI you're right, and I don't remember saying that specifically,

1855
01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:29,000
Speaker 2: but I guess I would be dead wrong thinking Na

1856
01:27:29,080 --> 01:27:33,360
Speaker 2: Diez could defeat Luke and then somehow uh fight for

1857
01:27:33,439 --> 01:27:34,559
Speaker 2: the lightweight title next.

1858
01:27:34,640 --> 01:27:35,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, that one's a little off.

1859
01:27:36,160 --> 01:27:37,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, I'll take part of that. I'll at

1860
01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:43,559
Speaker 2: least okay. You know Brian player p A s I

1861
01:27:43,840 --> 01:27:45,880
Speaker 2: passy Posse from.

1862
01:27:45,840 --> 01:27:50,439
Speaker 1: Finland, Cisi pussy Luke is that?

1863
01:27:50,640 --> 01:27:53,240
Speaker 2: Is that finished for Pussy? He says, thanks for the

1864
01:27:53,240 --> 01:27:56,200
Speaker 2: great and honest show. But to keep you even more honest,

1865
01:27:56,240 --> 01:27:58,680
Speaker 2: I have to point out an error as a professional

1866
01:27:58,720 --> 01:28:03,519
Speaker 2: poker player, and over EV, which stands for expected value,

1867
01:28:03,560 --> 01:28:06,160
Speaker 2: he's an EV seeker. I really didn't like it when

1868
01:28:06,200 --> 01:28:10,080
Speaker 2: BC said on MK episode one ninety six, at both

1869
01:28:10,120 --> 01:28:12,640
Speaker 2: twenty three minutes and twenty nine minutes that there is

1870
01:28:12,760 --> 01:28:16,240
Speaker 2: value on both sides. He also said that I said

1871
01:28:16,240 --> 01:28:19,400
Speaker 2: there's value on both ways, referring to Jake Paul versus

1872
01:28:19,479 --> 01:28:22,280
Speaker 2: Tyrone would leave betting lines. What does that even mean

1873
01:28:22,320 --> 01:28:24,760
Speaker 2: that there's value on both sides that you could bet

1874
01:28:24,840 --> 01:28:27,080
Speaker 2: on both sides and then make money out of it. Yes,

1875
01:28:27,120 --> 01:28:30,719
Speaker 2: it's possible in rare situations where lines differ so much

1876
01:28:30,880 --> 01:28:33,400
Speaker 2: between different sports books that you might get over one

1877
01:28:33,479 --> 01:28:38,120
Speaker 2: hundred percent return by betting on both sides. That's called arbitrage.

1878
01:28:38,600 --> 01:28:41,240
Speaker 2: And I highly doubt that BC meant that. You're damn right.

1879
01:28:41,280 --> 01:28:44,160
Speaker 2: I could really pronounce it, but inside one sports book,

1880
01:28:44,200 --> 01:28:47,080
Speaker 2: that's that is impossible. I like that you guys use

1881
01:28:47,120 --> 01:28:49,519
Speaker 2: sportsbook lines when you discuss fights because it gives the

1882
01:28:49,560 --> 01:28:52,400
Speaker 2: most objective way. Blah blah. This guy's blah blah bling

1883
01:28:52,479 --> 01:28:54,840
Speaker 2: it here, Luke don't ever change, but he just wanted

1884
01:28:54,840 --> 01:29:00,200
Speaker 2: to point out that error. Best regards Pussy, Luke, I'll

1885
01:29:00,200 --> 01:29:04,240
Speaker 2: tell Pussy here is that. Yeah. Maybe I probably worded

1886
01:29:04,280 --> 01:29:06,639
Speaker 2: it wrong. Look, I've spent a career wording things wrong.

1887
01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:09,960
Speaker 2: What I meant was there's value embedding on both. It

1888
01:29:10,080 --> 01:29:12,519
Speaker 2: was a fight in which we had so little of

1889
01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:15,719
Speaker 2: answers that either could have won by knockout. That there

1890
01:29:15,880 --> 01:29:17,920
Speaker 2: the line was close enough that I felt there was

1891
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:21,599
Speaker 2: good value on both, even with Jake Paul in the

1892
01:29:21,640 --> 01:29:23,040
Speaker 2: minus side of it. Does that make sense?

1893
01:29:23,120 --> 01:29:27,559
Speaker 1: See, you know what you just did? You you just

1894
01:29:27,640 --> 01:29:29,400
Speaker 1: beat the pussy up. That's what you just.

1895
01:29:30,760 --> 01:29:33,800
Speaker 2: Some would say that's a first Luke. Right, yeah, all right,

1896
01:29:34,080 --> 01:29:37,800
Speaker 2: wait what yeah, Okay, they'd be wrong, beat it up,

1897
01:29:38,479 --> 01:29:40,960
Speaker 2: they'd be wrong, all right, Luke. That's that. That's it

1898
01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:44,400
Speaker 2: for that shit. Also on Friday, Luke, we usually end

1899
01:29:44,439 --> 01:29:47,559
Speaker 2: it by struggling to get to the finish line and

1900
01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:49,640
Speaker 2: give people a tip for the future, a tip of

1901
01:29:49,680 --> 01:29:53,200
Speaker 2: the cap, a recommendation. We call it, what do we

1902
01:29:53,200 --> 01:29:54,000
Speaker 2: call it? Just the tip?

1903
01:29:54,040 --> 01:29:57,240
Speaker 1: Tip? Tip to tip, tip to tip, Yeah, tip to tip.

1904
01:29:58,320 --> 01:30:01,000
Speaker 2: Let's touch on, Luke, Let's touch those you want me

1905
01:30:01,040 --> 01:30:01,280
Speaker 2: to go.

1906
01:30:01,240 --> 01:30:03,479
Speaker 1: First, Luke, yes, please, you are hosting good sir.

1907
01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:06,680
Speaker 2: Hey, we've been talking about on Netflix this new uncut

1908
01:30:06,760 --> 01:30:10,640
Speaker 2: series which is focused the first episode on the Palace Brawl, fantastic,

1909
01:30:10,920 --> 01:30:15,559
Speaker 2: second episode on the Christy Martin crazy boxing marriage, which

1910
01:30:15,600 --> 01:30:21,400
Speaker 2: is so good, pretty damn good, Luke. Episode three is frickin' awesome.

1911
01:30:21,479 --> 01:30:25,120
Speaker 2: I believe it's called Crimes and Punishment, and it focuses

1912
01:30:25,160 --> 01:30:28,960
Speaker 2: on the dan Berry Trashers. The King of Connecticut's in

1913
01:30:29,000 --> 01:30:31,200
Speaker 2: the house here, Luke. If for the people that may

1914
01:30:31,200 --> 01:30:33,200
Speaker 2: not know, there was a minor league hockey team in

1915
01:30:33,200 --> 01:30:35,479
Speaker 2: two thousand and four and two thousand and five called

1916
01:30:35,479 --> 01:30:38,599
Speaker 2: the Dan Barry Trashers that I'll tell you this. I

1917
01:30:38,640 --> 01:30:41,720
Speaker 2: grew up in Whaler Harford, Whaler's Country. The team left

1918
01:30:41,760 --> 01:30:43,720
Speaker 2: when I was a senior in high school, but we

1919
01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:45,640
Speaker 2: always had it was a hockey state, right. We had

1920
01:30:45,640 --> 01:30:47,840
Speaker 2: the New Haven Nighthawks, which was like a brawling minor

1921
01:30:47,880 --> 01:30:50,559
Speaker 2: league team. Luke. I once went to a Harford Woolfpack game.

1922
01:30:50,640 --> 01:30:52,439
Speaker 2: I sat in the second row. There was this great

1923
01:30:52,439 --> 01:30:54,760
Speaker 2: brawl where this guy got all bloodied on the other team,

1924
01:30:54,880 --> 01:30:57,640
Speaker 2: and as he was coming to the railing, I was like, yeah, yeah,

1925
01:30:57,760 --> 01:30:59,439
Speaker 2: and you know what he did. He stopped and he

1926
01:30:59,479 --> 01:31:02,439
Speaker 2: looked at me. He was like, nice fucking teeth, and

1927
01:31:02,439 --> 01:31:05,080
Speaker 2: then he kept going into the uh into the uh thing.

1928
01:31:05,120 --> 01:31:06,280
Speaker 2: And then my friends heckled me.

1929
01:31:07,200 --> 01:31:08,240
Speaker 1: That was not a good moment.

1930
01:31:09,400 --> 01:31:13,960
Speaker 2: Yeah you got, well, jokes on him because I got

1931
01:31:14,160 --> 01:31:16,439
Speaker 2: because I got adult braces in my mid thirties, So

1932
01:31:16,520 --> 01:31:19,840
Speaker 2: joke's on him, Luke. I've cleaned that part up. Oh,

1933
01:31:19,920 --> 01:31:24,400
Speaker 2: But but they they had this team called the Danburry Trashers,

1934
01:31:24,439 --> 01:31:29,320
Speaker 2: and I remember the buzz going around. I lived in

1935
01:31:29,360 --> 01:31:31,639
Speaker 2: my hometown of talk about, you know, twenty five minutes

1936
01:31:31,640 --> 01:31:34,160
Speaker 2: away from there the buzz of like you need to

1937
01:31:34,200 --> 01:31:36,800
Speaker 2: get down to see this team because they have full

1938
01:31:36,880 --> 01:31:40,839
Speaker 2: squad brawls and people bleeding on the ice like every

1939
01:31:40,880 --> 01:31:43,600
Speaker 2: single game turns out, Luke, I didn't even know the

1940
01:31:43,720 --> 01:31:46,320
Speaker 2: half of it. This is an incredible story.

1941
01:31:46,720 --> 01:31:47,040
Speaker 1: Uh.

1942
01:31:47,360 --> 01:31:52,559
Speaker 2: Jimmy Galante, the garbage magnet and organized crime mafia leader,

1943
01:31:52,680 --> 01:31:55,280
Speaker 2: was the owner of the team. He appointed his seventeen

1944
01:31:55,360 --> 01:31:58,080
Speaker 2: year old son, Aj Galante to run the team. Aj

1945
01:31:58,200 --> 01:32:00,519
Speaker 2: has subsequently, by the way, become a manager and promoter

1946
01:32:00,600 --> 01:32:02,800
Speaker 2: and boxing so his name's popped up now and then.

1947
01:32:03,080 --> 01:32:05,320
Speaker 2: But I just encourage everybody to go see it. They

1948
01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:07,800
Speaker 2: spend a lot of money illegally, by the way, to

1949
01:32:07,880 --> 01:32:10,160
Speaker 2: build this team up with big time names and just

1950
01:32:10,200 --> 01:32:13,200
Speaker 2: and to basically give a middle finger to everyone. Have

1951
01:32:13,320 --> 01:32:17,080
Speaker 2: you seen this, Luke? Because the stories of brawling and

1952
01:32:17,320 --> 01:32:21,479
Speaker 2: corruption and loyalty and mafia life, it's incredible. It is,

1953
01:32:22,160 --> 01:32:23,559
Speaker 2: It is incredible. So I fear.

1954
01:32:24,360 --> 01:32:27,400
Speaker 1: I feel like minor league hockey is the closest thing

1955
01:32:27,600 --> 01:32:30,680
Speaker 1: to boxing and MMA, which is to say, not not

1956
01:32:30,760 --> 01:32:32,760
Speaker 1: that like, yeah, they're fighting and stuff. I don't mean that,

1957
01:32:33,160 --> 01:32:37,360
Speaker 1: but just the cast of characters, the shady managers, the

1958
01:32:37,479 --> 01:32:43,439
Speaker 1: fucking CD venues, the gross atmospherics of everything. There's a

1959
01:32:43,560 --> 01:32:45,960
Speaker 1: there's a kinship there between them, and I think this

1960
01:32:46,360 --> 01:32:48,720
Speaker 1: what you're what you're saying. This documentary explores them.

1961
01:32:48,800 --> 01:32:50,840
Speaker 2: I mean the story. Like like I said, when I

1962
01:32:50,880 --> 01:32:53,760
Speaker 2: when it was happening, I only remember people just being like, yo,

1963
01:32:54,360 --> 01:32:57,479
Speaker 2: this team has been designed to fight, like that's why,

1964
01:32:57,600 --> 01:33:00,479
Speaker 2: Like like they're like the Raiders on steroids of minor

1965
01:33:00,600 --> 01:33:03,040
Speaker 2: league hockey. It's like slap shot. And then to find

1966
01:33:03,040 --> 01:33:05,920
Speaker 2: out like there was a high school kid who's literally

1967
01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:09,599
Speaker 2: in high school running the show and making signing and

1968
01:33:09,640 --> 01:33:11,960
Speaker 2: I mean, it's wild. So everyone checked that out. It's

1969
01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:14,240
Speaker 2: a good time. In hindsight, Luke, I really wish I'd

1970
01:33:14,240 --> 01:33:16,320
Speaker 2: gone to some games that never made it out, but

1971
01:33:16,360 --> 01:33:18,160
Speaker 2: it was fun to see. Luke, what's your tip.

1972
01:33:19,320 --> 01:33:21,920
Speaker 1: I'll stick with Netflix. I've kind of talked about this

1973
01:33:21,960 --> 01:33:24,200
Speaker 1: with you and on Twitter a little bit. It's actually

1974
01:33:24,200 --> 01:33:25,479
Speaker 1: not that good of a show, but I found it

1975
01:33:25,560 --> 01:33:28,400
Speaker 1: kind of funny. So BC always brings up the fact

1976
01:33:28,400 --> 01:33:30,479
Speaker 1: that I graduated from Marietta High School, but I only

1977
01:33:30,479 --> 01:33:33,479
Speaker 1: went there for two years. It was just my junior

1978
01:33:33,479 --> 01:33:36,880
Speaker 1: and senior years. Now I've met lifelong friends there, which

1979
01:33:36,880 --> 01:33:39,400
Speaker 1: actually is why it has a much more formative experience

1980
01:33:39,439 --> 01:33:41,639
Speaker 1: in my life and everything. But for the first two

1981
01:33:41,800 --> 01:33:43,960
Speaker 1: years of my high school career, so ninth and tenth grade,

1982
01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:46,559
Speaker 1: freshman and sophomore, and my brother graduated from this school.

1983
01:33:46,800 --> 01:33:50,000
Speaker 1: I went to a school called Valdosta High School in Valdosta, Georgia.

1984
01:33:50,320 --> 01:33:53,160
Speaker 1: It's in Lowndes County. It's literally the county that is

1985
01:33:53,160 --> 01:33:57,320
Speaker 1: on the southern border between Florida and Georgia. And I

1986
01:33:57,320 --> 01:33:59,320
Speaker 1: know everyone talks about like West Texas high schools. I'm

1987
01:33:59,320 --> 01:34:01,040
Speaker 1: not here to say that they're not football crazy. I'm

1988
01:34:01,080 --> 01:34:03,840
Speaker 1: just telling you what I've seen personally. I have never

1989
01:34:03,920 --> 01:34:06,960
Speaker 1: ever ever seen a place that was as football obsessed

1990
01:34:07,000 --> 01:34:10,960
Speaker 1: as Valdosta, Georgia. Then the team there has won, you know,

1991
01:34:11,040 --> 01:34:15,280
Speaker 1: nearly fifty state titles, multiple national titles. I have had

1992
01:34:15,439 --> 01:34:19,360
Speaker 1: multiple scandals of guys leaving their home wherever they're from

1993
01:34:19,439 --> 01:34:21,559
Speaker 1: so they could play for Valdosta, and you know, they

1994
01:34:21,560 --> 01:34:23,479
Speaker 1: were living in apartments that the school paid for, and

1995
01:34:23,560 --> 01:34:25,760
Speaker 1: there was like eligibility requirements. It was a shit show

1996
01:34:25,760 --> 01:34:28,160
Speaker 1: at all times, you know, and they' there's been there's

1997
01:34:28,200 --> 01:34:32,200
Speaker 1: been books written about it, there's been you name it.

1998
01:34:32,840 --> 01:34:35,160
Speaker 1: Coke a coke col which course is based in Atlanta.

1999
01:34:35,240 --> 01:34:37,439
Speaker 1: When we won our sixth national title my sophomore year,

2000
01:34:37,439 --> 01:34:39,600
Speaker 1: they they made us a coke bottle for us. Like

2001
01:34:39,640 --> 01:34:42,040
Speaker 1: it's just it's a football factor. You want to go

2002
01:34:42,040 --> 01:34:44,320
Speaker 1: to Division one school, you go to Valdosta High School. Anyway,

2003
01:34:45,800 --> 01:34:49,800
Speaker 1: Netflix has made like a docu reality series about it.

2004
01:34:49,800 --> 01:34:53,559
Speaker 1: It's called Title Town High. It's currently on Netflix. It's

2005
01:34:53,560 --> 01:34:57,639
Speaker 1: a show basically the last twenty years. Well, in twenty seventeen,

2006
01:34:57,800 --> 01:35:01,320
Speaker 1: the NFL Network did a whole document enery series on

2007
01:35:01,439 --> 01:35:03,920
Speaker 1: the just the team itself, and they won the state

2008
01:35:03,960 --> 01:35:06,680
Speaker 1: title that year, but they didn't win cens and the

2009
01:35:06,720 --> 01:35:08,920
Speaker 1: coach got into trouble and whatever. So they have a

2010
01:35:08,960 --> 01:35:11,639
Speaker 1: new coach and they have a new quarterback who hello

2011
01:35:12,200 --> 01:35:15,000
Speaker 1: was already committed to USC didn't want to sit out

2012
01:35:15,000 --> 01:35:16,760
Speaker 1: his senior year because of COVID, so he moved from

2013
01:35:16,760 --> 01:35:20,400
Speaker 1: California to Georgia to be the quarterback of the Valdosta

2014
01:35:21,000 --> 01:35:24,720
Speaker 1: High Wildcats. And uh, it's it's really about teen life,

2015
01:35:24,760 --> 01:35:27,320
Speaker 1: which I find fucking boring and stupid. But the one

2016
01:35:27,320 --> 01:35:28,960
Speaker 1: thing I found kind of interesting to see is they

2017
01:35:28,960 --> 01:35:32,759
Speaker 1: try to make the town seem like insanely po dunk,

2018
01:35:32,880 --> 01:35:35,559
Speaker 1: like if you had a gas station. Wow, man, that

2019
01:35:35,640 --> 01:35:37,559
Speaker 1: must be the place. And don't get me wrong, it's

2020
01:35:37,600 --> 01:35:41,000
Speaker 1: a small town, but there's a university in town. Like

2021
01:35:41,280 --> 01:35:43,679
Speaker 1: there's a high there's a there's and there's another. There's

2022
01:35:43,680 --> 01:35:45,599
Speaker 1: another high school at Lownes High School, which is also

2023
01:35:45,600 --> 01:35:49,040
Speaker 1: in Valdosta, which is a huge like you know six

2024
01:35:49,120 --> 01:35:51,960
Speaker 1: a high school and there's a university there. There's like

2025
01:35:52,080 --> 01:35:53,960
Speaker 1: I mean, there's it's a small town, but it's not

2026
01:35:54,040 --> 01:35:57,559
Speaker 1: so small that it's like, you know, every neighbor is

2027
01:35:58,280 --> 01:36:00,760
Speaker 1: a mile down the road kind of thing. If you're

2028
01:36:00,800 --> 01:36:03,960
Speaker 1: into teen dramas that are docuseries and you want to

2029
01:36:03,960 --> 01:36:05,519
Speaker 1: see where I went to high school for a time,

2030
01:36:06,320 --> 01:36:07,800
Speaker 1: Titletown High Luke.

2031
01:36:07,880 --> 01:36:12,080
Speaker 2: I hate your disdain for teen drama. Not that I

2032
01:36:12,080 --> 01:36:14,040
Speaker 2: think a forty two year old man should be all

2033
01:36:14,080 --> 01:36:17,080
Speaker 2: about that shit. No, well it's partially creepy depending on

2034
01:36:17,080 --> 01:36:19,799
Speaker 2: the person. But I think you had the same disdain

2035
01:36:19,880 --> 01:36:22,880
Speaker 2: while you were a teen. So like adults like us

2036
01:36:23,000 --> 01:36:25,800
Speaker 2: watch these teen shows because sometimes they weren't cool as

2037
01:36:25,800 --> 01:36:28,160
Speaker 2: teens and they want to like celebrate what they could

2038
01:36:28,160 --> 01:36:31,960
Speaker 2: have been. You've always hated teen drama. You're just a

2039
01:36:32,000 --> 01:36:34,080
Speaker 2: bit you're like a stale lemon.

2040
01:36:35,360 --> 01:36:38,240
Speaker 1: I mean, teen dramas are pretty fucking dumb, dude. Like,

2041
01:36:38,479 --> 01:36:40,559
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter what age you are, it's pretty easy

2042
01:36:40,560 --> 01:36:43,840
Speaker 1: to recognize that. Like, teens don't know anything and they

2043
01:36:43,880 --> 01:36:47,080
Speaker 1: have vapid lives, dude. I mean in retrospect, you know,

2044
01:36:47,360 --> 01:36:51,160
Speaker 1: fuck Romeo and Juliet, two morons who killed themselves for nothing, Like,

2045
01:36:51,479 --> 01:36:54,240
Speaker 1: I mean, what jackasses they had to be. I don't

2046
01:36:54,240 --> 01:36:56,639
Speaker 1: give a shit about the lives of teens. I find

2047
01:36:56,640 --> 01:36:59,240
Speaker 1: them boring and uninteresting and frankly not very clever. But

2048
01:36:59,760 --> 01:37:01,920
Speaker 1: they do stupid things. And if you're interested in watching

2049
01:37:01,920 --> 01:37:05,120
Speaker 1: teens get caught on camera doing stupid things. From where

2050
01:37:05,120 --> 01:37:07,599
Speaker 1: I went to high school, Titletown High As.

2051
01:37:07,840 --> 01:37:10,240
Speaker 2: Is title town better than Do you remember MTV's Two

2052
01:37:10,280 --> 01:37:13,320
Speaker 2: A Days back in the early two thousands, following Hoover,

2053
01:37:13,479 --> 01:37:17,200
Speaker 2: Alabama's high school. There was some pretty hot debutantes in

2054
01:37:17,240 --> 01:37:17,559
Speaker 2: that show.

2055
01:37:17,600 --> 01:37:19,599
Speaker 1: Luke. Yeah, I mean, yeah, you're talking about other communities

2056
01:37:19,600 --> 01:37:21,920
Speaker 1: that are probably equally football obsessed. I did not see

2057
01:37:21,960 --> 01:37:25,200
Speaker 1: that one, but you know, Friday Night Lights Georgia edition

2058
01:37:25,280 --> 01:37:26,519
Speaker 1: is basically what Baldosta is.

2059
01:37:26,600 --> 01:37:28,519
Speaker 2: So all right, Luke, I will check out.

2060
01:37:28,560 --> 01:37:30,240
Speaker 1: I had my first I had my first girlfriend in

2061
01:37:30,280 --> 01:37:31,599
Speaker 1: tenth grade of Valdosta High School.

2062
01:37:31,720 --> 01:37:34,439
Speaker 2: Oh wow, did see? I'm you know, I'm trying to

2063
01:37:34,479 --> 01:37:36,559
Speaker 2: I'm trying to clean the show up. So that's I know.

2064
01:37:37,400 --> 01:37:40,040
Speaker 1: She went on to Yale, by the way, so I

2065
01:37:40,120 --> 01:37:40,439
Speaker 1: knew it.

2066
01:37:40,760 --> 01:37:43,479
Speaker 2: I knew your math te mass like I'll like, I'll

2067
01:37:43,520 --> 01:37:46,160
Speaker 2: celebrate you doing that in tenth grade, Like, that's well

2068
01:37:46,200 --> 01:37:47,760
Speaker 2: done for you, Luke. But I knew you had to

2069
01:37:47,800 --> 01:37:50,320
Speaker 2: dig down the math team roster for that. So yeah,

2070
01:37:50,320 --> 01:37:50,559
Speaker 2: she has.

2071
01:37:51,240 --> 01:37:53,040
Speaker 1: She also got a sixty hundred on the SAT. She

2072
01:37:53,080 --> 01:37:53,599
Speaker 1: was pretty smart.

2073
01:37:53,920 --> 01:37:56,320
Speaker 2: Where what is she today? Like a neuroscientist.

2074
01:37:57,040 --> 01:37:59,320
Speaker 1: I haven't checked in a long time.

2075
01:37:59,040 --> 01:38:01,479
Speaker 2: But I bet you she checked in on you one day, Luke,

2076
01:38:01,479 --> 01:38:03,920
Speaker 2: and she's like, oh, he hosts the show Morning Morning, yea,

2077
01:38:04,479 --> 01:38:05,280
Speaker 2: let me tune in.

2078
01:38:05,400 --> 01:38:07,639
Speaker 1: I think she's a I got some of I think

2079
01:38:07,680 --> 01:38:09,559
Speaker 1: she's a lawyer now, but I'm honestly not sure.

2080
01:38:10,080 --> 01:38:12,200
Speaker 2: Maybe she'll be the one who sues us for indecent

2081
01:38:12,240 --> 01:38:14,679
Speaker 2: content one day, Luke, to get you back for breaking

2082
01:38:14,720 --> 01:38:18,000
Speaker 2: her heart. Possibly, all right, I'm looking forward to the

2083
01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:21,920
Speaker 2: old Marietta reality show coming out one day too. All right,

2084
01:38:22,040 --> 01:38:24,800
Speaker 2: that's that's the show for this week. Look, I did

2085
01:38:24,840 --> 01:38:27,920
Speaker 2: want to say I forgot earlier. I watched the news

2086
01:38:27,960 --> 01:38:31,320
Speaker 2: this morning. It's heartbreaking the floods, you know, the hurricane

2087
01:38:31,320 --> 01:38:33,920
Speaker 2: that hit New Orleans, the the floods that have torn

2088
01:38:34,000 --> 01:38:37,760
Speaker 2: up the East coast New Jersey particularly. I hope you

2089
01:38:37,800 --> 01:38:40,040
Speaker 2: know our listeners that that are that are out there.

2090
01:38:40,160 --> 01:38:41,800
Speaker 2: I hope you're doing well. I hope you're hanging with it.

2091
01:38:42,080 --> 01:38:44,639
Speaker 2: Hank tough, folks, it's not I mean, it's it's it's

2092
01:38:44,640 --> 01:38:47,080
Speaker 2: not easy. This this is the worst type of situation.

2093
01:38:47,160 --> 01:38:49,800
Speaker 2: So Hank Tough. Hopefully you'll get through it. Luke wanted

2094
01:38:49,800 --> 01:38:51,799
Speaker 2: to shout out some good news. My colleague got CBS

2095
01:38:51,800 --> 01:38:54,160
Speaker 2: Sports Jack Crosby, a big fan of the show. Him

2096
01:38:54,160 --> 01:38:56,560
Speaker 2: and his wife Ali on the birth of their daughter, Penelope.

2097
01:38:56,720 --> 01:39:00,160
Speaker 2: But now she's she's being nursed while Jack's went in

2098
01:39:00,200 --> 01:39:02,640
Speaker 2: the MK green sweatshirt the one point oh merch. So

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Speaker 2: he sent me that it was great to see. Love

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Speaker 2: that advancement right there. That's all I got this week, Luke,

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Speaker 2: anything from.

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Speaker 1: You, No been a good week, finally, the kind of

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Speaker 1: week where we're back on track. We should tell the folks.

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Speaker 1: No Monday show, but a Tuesday Wednesday, set up for next.

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Speaker 2: Week, yesesay Wednesday Friday. We want to be more communicative

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Speaker 2: with you. We want to stop taking long vacations. Tuesday, Wednesday,

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Speaker 2: Friday of next week. Luke, I can't wait till I

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Speaker 2: tell you, probably October thirty first, that I am going

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Speaker 2: away in November to Jamaica. Look, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, Okay,

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Speaker 2: I can't wait. Then you'll be like, oh, appreciate, but bro,

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Speaker 2: those two week jokes you hit me with two dollars

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Speaker 2: two weeks, you know, remember remember remember that.

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Speaker 1: It's okay, I can, I can. I need you to

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Speaker 1: get vacation because you're a better man when you get

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Speaker 1: some sleep and you get some fam time.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you. Shout out to our great staff

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Speaker 2: here who were probably like, hey, wrap it up guys already.

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Speaker 2: My name is b C. That's Luke Thomas H. Follow

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Speaker 2: us below, like the video, Subscribe to what we're doing

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Speaker 2: here at morning combat. Tell a friend because this march,

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Speaker 2: this march to one hundred k. It's it's a grueling one,

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Speaker 2: but we'll get there. So we need your help. Continue

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Speaker 2: to spread the word. I mean, you spread gossip about

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Speaker 2: MMA writers pretty easily. Can't you spread a couple of

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Speaker 2: clicks to subscribe to this show. That's the last groveling

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Speaker 2: I'll do. Vote for us if you like this podcast.

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Speaker 2: At world MMA Awards dot com, slash nominees. Your boys

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Speaker 2: at MK are up for Best m m A Programming.

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Speaker 2: It's a it's a pretty tough field right there, but

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Speaker 2: I think we can do this. Okay, We're gonna need

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Speaker 2: you to get there. Also. That's it. I don't I'm

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Speaker 2: not selling anything else.

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Speaker 1: Let's go do because I got shit to do, literally.

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Speaker 2: Quite literally for Luke Thomas. My name is Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 2: Be safe, take take care of your take care of this. Okay, folks,

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Speaker 2: be well and we love you. MK care if don't,

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Speaker 2: no one else can. Okay, we out