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Speaker 2: Yeah, Saga will be in for Emily on what formerly

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Speaker 2: But we also have a lot of good stuff for

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Speaker 2: so really looking for he's such a fantastic journalist, really

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Speaker 2: latest with regard to Venezuela. There's a lot to say there.

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Speaker 2: Maduro in court yesterday, very colorful moments, a lot of

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Speaker 3: There's a lot we don't know.

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Speaker 2: Of course, we're going to take a look at how

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Speaker 2: some leading lights of MAGA are responding to all of

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Speaker 2: probably enjoy that. Also, really disturbing questions being raised about

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Speaker 2: and some suggestive hints of who that may actually have been,

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Speaker 2: that would be Paul Sanger, a major donor to Republican

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Speaker 2: want to pay attention to what's happening in Minnesota. Tim Walls,

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Speaker 2: So a lot to get into there, and also wanted

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Speaker 3: It all right.

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Speaker 2: So, had a little bit of a like false alarm

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Speaker 2: But let's start with this. Duro had a court appearance yesterday.

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Speaker 3: Here. Here's part of what he said.

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Speaker 2: In any case, part of what Medoro said is I'm innocent,

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Speaker 2: I'm still the president of my country, he said in Spanish,

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Speaker 2: formally entering a plea of not guilty. When he tried

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Speaker 2: then interrupted. Also, Emily, people have been noting the judge

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Speaker 2: Yes, I don't know about these lifetime appointments for judges.

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Speaker 2: Are it's a pretty wild thing in any case, fresh

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Speaker 2: There are ninety two year olds who are still really

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Speaker 5: On everybody's mother.

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Speaker 5: That there appears to be bruising on her face.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And the number of security personnel who were killed.

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Speaker 3: We had Ava Gollinger on yesterday.

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Speaker 2: She feels very strongly that Dela Rodriguez and potentially her brother,

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Speaker 2: part of why this whole action is also very perplexing counterproductive.

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Speaker 2: It's like Maduro offered basically everything that continues to be

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Speaker 2: So I think that's how you end up in this

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Speaker 4: And this now obviously raises questions as the United States

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Speaker 4: New York Times, where it says prosecutors in the superseding

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Speaker 4: indictment still accused mister Maduau of participating in a drug

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Speaker 4: Soles was an actual organization. Instead, the revised indictment states

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Speaker 4: that it refers to a patron system and a culture

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Speaker 2: It's more of a state of mind. Really, yeah, Hotel,

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Speaker 2: we didn't mean it was like a real, actual cattle.

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Speaker 2: the show that this thing was fake. It's a CIA invention.

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Speaker 2: Nor A lots of people pointed.

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Speaker 4: Out the trafficking is real, and the corruption of the

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Speaker 4: government is real. The idea that it's organized under the banner.

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Speaker 2: Of organized cartel, which was the justification offered by the

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Speaker 2: government for this whole build up, and this you know, kidnapping,

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Speaker 2: an attack on Venezuela whatever. They're like, yeah, I don't

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Speaker 2: so they had they pulled that out of the indictment

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Speaker 2: Also wanted to play for you, Mike Walls, who I

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Speaker 2: It's been a Tim Walls esque tumble Wals for a

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Speaker 6: As Secretary Rubio stated just yesterday, this is the Western Hemisphere.

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Speaker 3: So there you go.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they just don't make regime change war propaganda

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Speaker 2: like they used to. Emily, we used to get weapons

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Speaker 5: They're doing it better.

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Speaker 2: We used to get like a whole you know, un

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Speaker 5: We are getting slightly closer to the truth.

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Speaker 2: I guess, although I don't even know it may be

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Speaker 2: economics don't make sense. We're going to talk about Paul

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but Trump.

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Speaker 2: Talked to the oil executives beforehand. Didn't brief Congress, but

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Speaker 2: our own politics. And oil per barrel is like pretty

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it would make oil cheaper. Obviously, was putting that

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Speaker 2: And stap pulled this morning, seventy five percent, including a

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Speaker 5: Yeah to people in Middle America.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, we may use taxpayer dollars to help fund the

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Speaker 2: down to mar A Lago hearing from them a lot,

437
00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:08,199
Speaker 2: and so you have to factor in that money in

438
00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:10,960
Speaker 2: politics piece as well. So you've got that, then you've

439
00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:12,520
Speaker 2: got the piece that I just said of you know,

440
00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:15,240
Speaker 2: I think he's envious of these golf monarchies and wants

441
00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,720
Speaker 2: sort of to set himself up in that space. And

442
00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,159
Speaker 2: you know, you put those pieces together along with the

443
00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,040
Speaker 2: fact that you've got all these Wall streeters, and we

444
00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,480
Speaker 2: covered this yesterday licking their chops to get in there

445
00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,840
Speaker 2: and do you know, carve it up and financialize it

446
00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:31,880
Speaker 2: and buy up the distressed assets and do the thing

447
00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,879
Speaker 2: that Wall Street does, which is not exactly just oil

448
00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,480
Speaker 2: but is you know, in some ways like more destructive

449
00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:41,720
Speaker 2: to Venezuela certainly, but would be profitable for them. And

450
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:45,359
Speaker 2: you've got the perfect storm for you know, for this action,

451
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Speaker 2: whatever this ends up ultimately being.

452
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Speaker 4: There's also the possibility, and this is I know Ryan's

453
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Speaker 4: been paying attention to it, but you see it becoming

454
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Speaker 4: a bit amplified on the right that Trump wants to

455
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Speaker 4: pressure Nicholas Munduro and do talking about the twenty twenty election.

456
00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:05,479
Speaker 4: And that sounds ridiculous to many of you, I'm sure,

457
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Speaker 4: but I would not be surprised. I mean, Stagen and

458
00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,840
Speaker 4: Rhin actually reported that one of the ways Rubio World

459
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:15,119
Speaker 4: convinced Donald Trump to do this regime change was by saying,

460
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:20,240
Speaker 4: you know, Maduro Venezuela, that's the allegations of the twenty

461
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Speaker 4: twenty elections of Venezuela had something to.

462
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Speaker 5: Do with changing those vote tallies.

463
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Speaker 4: Which obviously there's not evidence to suggest, but that tells

464
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Speaker 4: you they are probably right now trying to flip Maduro

465
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Speaker 4: or convince Madua to say something along those lines. We

466
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Speaker 4: don't know for sure, but I think logic it stands

467
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Speaker 4: to reason that Trump's prosecutors, in conversations with Maduro and

468
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Speaker 4: his legal team have floated that. So, yeah, don't be

469
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Speaker 4: surprised if you see something like that come down to.

470
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well Ed Martin, who is what is he in

471
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 2: the Department of Justice amplify a tweet yesterday suggesting exactly that,

472
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Speaker 2: suggesting that Maduro could plead to lesser charges by proffering

473
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,920
Speaker 2: evidence that the twenty twenty election was stolen. So I mean,

474
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Speaker 2: and Maduro, I mean, he doesn't, he doesn't give a shit.

475
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Speaker 2: He'll say whatever, right if it helps him get get

476
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Speaker 2: out of a pickle and get his wife out of

477
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:12,359
Speaker 2: a pickle as well. By the way, it was also

478
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 2: you know, being held and charged in this and injured

479
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:19,400
Speaker 2: in the capture and whatever. So I mean, it sounds insane,

480
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 2: but your right to point that out too is a factory.

481
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,600
Speaker 2: In all of this, you not only have the fact

482
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Speaker 2: that Trump is obsessed with this like Venezuela aspect, and

483
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,879
Speaker 2: he himself was posting on true social more like Venezuela

484
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,720
Speaker 2: election conspiracies just in the past one or two days,

485
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,400
Speaker 2: also indicating that that is on his mind. In all

486
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 2: of this, so you have this Venezuela fix fixation from

487
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Speaker 2: the election perspective, and then you also have the sense

488
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,160
Speaker 2: of humiliation both that they tried to do the coup

489
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Speaker 2: the first time and they failed with the whole Jan

490
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Speaker 2: Guidou nonsense and they failed, and then you have Maduro,

491
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Speaker 2: who was, you know, apparently offending Trump with his dancing.

492
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Speaker 3: I don't know.

493
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Speaker 2: I don't really buy that whole thing was already baked

494
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,639
Speaker 2: befo long before the you know, the offensive dancing was

495
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 2: going on. But I think that's probably true that Trump

496
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 2: found his behavior because he was effectively, you know, trying

497
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 2: to call Trump's bluff, like, I don't think you're gonna

498
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Speaker 2: do anything. I'm gonna be out here saying don't worry,

499
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 2: be happy and dancing like a goofball and showing everybody

500
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Speaker 2: that I don't care and I'm unbothered by by your

501
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,399
Speaker 2: threats and your provocations. So you know, I think those

502
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:27,400
Speaker 2: like personal feelings certainly certainly work into this as well.

503
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Speaker 2: I don't did you see Machado last night on Sean Hannity,

504
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 2: Sure did, Sure did. I don't also don't buy that

505
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Speaker 2: like the fact that she got the Nobel Peace Prize

506
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 2: is why she's been snubbed in all of this, But

507
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:41,880
Speaker 2: it doesn't have But she clearly thinks that maybe part

508
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 2: of it, because she went on with Sean Hannity it

509
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 2: was like, I will give you the Nobel Peace Prizes,

510
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Speaker 2: your president it's all yours.

511
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Speaker 3: You deserve it.

512
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Speaker 2: And he did come out and say, you know, I

513
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Speaker 2: don't think she should have gotten it. So it is

514
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Speaker 2: a it is a you know, a rub with him

515
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Speaker 2: for sure.

516
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Speaker 5: Oh I'm sure it's not nothing. Yeah, but it's.

517
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Speaker 4: Also I mean, that's what we could put the next

518
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Speaker 4: up on the screen that brings us to this point

519
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 4: about what's going on here.

520
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Speaker 5: This is the drop site post.

521
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Speaker 4: Some of the new reporting here about this is from

522
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Speaker 4: the Miami Herald. Diaz Dado Cabello has sent voice messages

523
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 4: to loyal military officers and ruling party figures calling for unity,

524
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Speaker 4: reorganization and mass mobilization in defense of the government, saying

525
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 4: those responsible for the USA quote will regret it for

526
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Speaker 4: the rest of their lives.

527
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Speaker 5: He is the Interior minister.

528
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Speaker 4: And this goes to questions about Delcia Rodriguez and what

529
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Speaker 4: might happen in the future. So instead of doing a

530
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 4: wang guido and you know, saying we have Mario Karina

531
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Speaker 4: Machado ready to go in, we'll just you know, bring

532
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Speaker 4: her in on the boat and let her step off

533
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Speaker 4: and this will be her Kingdom.

534
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Speaker 3: Writer in on a tank.

535
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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, they're allowing obviously Maduro's second in command and

536
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Speaker 4: in president Delcia Rodriguez to maintain control during what they're

537
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Speaker 4: referring to as a transition period. But Delcia Rodriguez, especially

538
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Speaker 4: I shouldn't say especially, but also from the American left,

539
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:03,120
Speaker 4: is under a cloud of suspicion for people think there

540
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,200
Speaker 4: was cooperation and not unreasonably people think there was potentially

541
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Speaker 4: cooperation with the CIA in prepping this actual regime change

542
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Speaker 4: military operation, and I don't know. The more that we're learning,

543
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Speaker 4: I mean, the death toll you mentioned earlier of the

544
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 4: Cuban guards keeps getting higher and higher, so that suggests

545
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 4: maybe there wasn't as much cooperation as people initially thought,

546
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Speaker 4: as though like Delta Force walked in, plucked Maduro and

547
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Speaker 4: his wife from the beds and just walked on out,

548
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 4: and was that easy? But this is a significant political

549
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Speaker 4: question right now because it gets to how Dlcia Rodriguez

550
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Speaker 4: will behave during the quote transition period.

551
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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, And although you know, in a sense, I'm not

553
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Speaker 2: sure how much it matters whether there was an explicit

554
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 2: conversation because the pressure she's facing externally from the US

555
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 2: and internally from you know, both domestic power players and

556
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 2: from the population are kind of the same regardless. But

557
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 2: you know, in terms of whether this is going to

558
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 2: be anything approaching a stable government, I think, you know,

559
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 2: the question of whether she directly collaborated and how that'll

560
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 2: be received, et cetera, that is where that could be

561
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 2: really significant. I mentioned yesterday year we were all watching

562
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Speaker 2: very closely. There were reports of gunfire. There was significant

563
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 2: gunfire around the presidential palace. There was you know, we

564
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 2: saw drones in the air and all everyone's like, oh

565
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 2: my god, it's maybe a coup is going down. Maybe

566
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 2: this guy Cabello is coming in, he's got the military

567
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 2: behind him. But it turns out that it was their

568
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 2: own drones that were interpreted as being hostile, and so

569
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Speaker 2: it was you know, but it shows you number one

570
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,679
Speaker 2: there on pins and needles, and number two, you know,

571
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Speaker 2: if they thought that that was like, you know, another

572
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 2: US action, they were ready to defend against it.

573
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Speaker 5: Things can turn very quickly.

574
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think also that's that's an important point

575
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 2: to take away as well. I'm not going to play this,

576
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 2: but I'll just mention, you know, Maduro's son also was

577
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 2: in the legislature yesterday giving his blessing to you know,

578
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:07,919
Speaker 2: Delsea Rodriguez ascending to the being acting president and her brother,

579
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 2: you know, was in charge of the legislature, So that

580
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 2: was sort of like a show of solidarity there, So.

581
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Speaker 3: That was significant.

582
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 2: And then speaking of repressive regimes already some indications here

583
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 2: that you know, there's limited, limited space for speech about this,

584
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 2: in a similar way there was limited space for speech

585
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 2: around Palestine. This is an extraordinary clip that went viral

586
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 2: yesterday of a protester who was doing an interview with

587
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Speaker 2: local news, and right after the interview ends, while the

588
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 2: cameras are still rolling, she's arrested there on the spot

589
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 2: for her protest activities.

590
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Speaker 3: Let's go ahead and take a look at that.

591
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Speaker 7: You have to apply pressure at all points that we can.

592
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 7: This is not just in a foreign issue. It's our

593
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 7: tax dollars are also being used to commit these war crimes.

594
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 7: It is also the duty of us, the people to

595
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 7: stand with stand against the Trump regime, the Trump and

596
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,719
Speaker 7: gistration that are committing crimes both here in the US

597
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 7: and against people in Venezuela.

598
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Speaker 8: Now, in the background of this interview, you could see

599
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 8: that police car, and now right here we're showing you

600
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 8: video we have immediately after the interview finished, Plicta was

601
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Speaker 8: arrested by two Grand Rapids police officers. You can see

602
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 8: it in the video, and an officer tells Plicta that

603
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Speaker 8: she is being arrested for obstructing a roadway and failure

604
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 8: to obey a lawful command from a police officer. You

605
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 8: can see how she's taken away in that car. She

606
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 8: was issuing a number of messages about wanting to the

607
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 8: US to free Maduro. But again she was taken away

608
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Speaker 8: by police officers there and you can see in this

609
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 8: video officers were closely following this procession in downtown.

610
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Speaker 3: Grand Rapids, So there you go.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, the roadways looked more more blocked by

612
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Speaker 2: the snow, I feel like than any activity that was

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Speaker 2: presently occurring in that video.

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Speaker 4: At least that looked. That made me cold watching that

615
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Speaker 4: video of Grand Rapids.

616
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Speaker 3: Michigan because of the free speech.

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Speaker 4: Iooh no, those are oh gosh, yeah. I mean, I

618
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 4: don't know this particular story. It looks like I mean,

619
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Speaker 4: I don't know. I genuinely don't know. It's like they

620
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 4: did arrest her for disruption, which is a thing when

621
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Speaker 4: you go out and when you go out in protest

622
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Speaker 4: A lot of people know that, and in fact, it's

623
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Speaker 4: kind of meant to sometimes say like this is civil disobedience.

624
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Speaker 4: So I don't totally have an a clear idea of

625
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Speaker 4: what happened. I hope that she wasn't doing nothing and

626
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Speaker 4: then plucked off the street, but that wouldn't be unprecedented either,

627
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Speaker 4: And at times of heightened.

628
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Speaker 5: Tension over war, of course we see that.

629
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Speaker 4: And so that's people need to be really aware that

630
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Speaker 4: if you are someone who was disturbed by free speech

631
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 4: questions over the last decade, especially from the right, and

632
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 4: you support what the Trump administration did, you may have

633
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 4: to challenge yourself to look at potential censorship and suppression

634
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 4: coming down the pike, because that always happens when there's

635
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Speaker 4: escalated military So people should one hundred percent be aware

636
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Speaker 4: of that.

637
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Speaker 2: And there were you know, pretty widespread like immediate protests,

638
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 2: which was also to me very noteworthy, like it didn't

639
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 2: take any time. You know, we didn't have months and

640
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 2: months of all, right, let's plan and now something really

641
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 2: bad is it was you know, it was instantaneous that day,

642
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 2: the very next day in places like you know, Grand Rabbitts, Michigan,

643
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 2: not New York, not not La So that was that

644
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 2: was noteworthy to me as well in terms of the

645
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 2: way that the public was responding to this. Should we

646
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 2: talk about your boss? Megan Kelly never brought.

647
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Speaker 5: So.

648
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Speaker 2: She made some really interesting comments yesterday, actually revealing a

649
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 2: bit of the mandate that she was under back when

650
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Speaker 2: she was at Fox News with regard to covering war.

651
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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.

652
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Speaker 9: I really think this is something we need to consider

653
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Speaker 9: both sides on.

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Speaker 5: I really do.

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Speaker 3: I don't think.

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Speaker 1: Let me just tell you something.

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Speaker 9: When I was at Fox News, which was a long time,

658
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Speaker 9: fourteen years, I would have known exactly what you do

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Speaker 9: wake of Trump's attack in Venezuela, his retrieval, shall we say,

660
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Speaker 9: to put it in mild terms of Nicholas madurol. I

661
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Speaker 9: would have known that I was supposed to cheerlead it.

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Speaker 9: And I turned on Fox News yesterday and I'm sorry,

663
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Speaker 9: but it was like watching Russian propaganda.

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Speaker 3: There was nothing skeptical.

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Speaker 9: It was all raw, raw cheerleading. Yes, let's go, and

666
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 9: that's fine. I love our military as much as anyone,

667
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 9: and I believe in President Trump. But there are serious

668
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Speaker 9: reasons to just exercise a note of caution before we

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Speaker 9: just get on the raw raw train.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 9: I have done that enough times in my career as

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Speaker 9: a Fox News anchor to have been embarrassed enough to

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Speaker 9: know I'm gonna stay on the yellow light for this.

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Speaker 9: I'm not in the green light territory. I'm not in

675
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Speaker 9: the red light territory either, but I am staying in

676
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Speaker 9: the yellow light territory for now. I see all of

677
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 9: the strategic advantages of what he's done, Trust me, I do.

678
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 9: I see that other countries like Russia and China and

679
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 9: Cuba were all over Venezuela and it's oil posing a

680
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Speaker 9: potential threat to the United States. I get that that's

681
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Speaker 9: actually the most persuasive argument and obviously the real one,

682
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Speaker 9: and none of this bullshit about law enforcement. But I

683
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 9: have seen what happens when you cheerlead unabashedly US intervention

684
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 9: in foreign countries, thinking it's for our good and for

685
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Speaker 9: the national the international good, only to wind up with

686
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Speaker 9: what we've called quagmire. And what does it mean in

687
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Speaker 9: terms of boots on the ground. Trump is saying, I'm

688
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Speaker 9: actually fine with that in Venezuela. Well, who's boots? Because

689
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Speaker 9: I have a sixteen year old boy and I have

690
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Speaker 9: a twelve year old boy, and I have a fourteen

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Speaker 9: year old girl, and a lot of my listeners have

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Speaker 9: children too, who are actually the ones who might have

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Speaker 9: to fill the boots. So I think I speak for

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Speaker 9: a lot of moms and dads for that matter, when

695
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Speaker 9: I say I'm staying in yellow territory until we know more,

696
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Speaker 9: and I will not be joining the Fox News cheerleading

697
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Speaker 9: brigade this time.

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Speaker 2: I think that was a very important moment in revelation

699
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 2: and requires some humility to say, because she says, you know,

700
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Speaker 2: she's embarrassed by the cheerleading that she did at Fox News,

701
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 2: because what she's saying here is not just like this

702
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Speaker 2: is what we were expected to do, and it's not

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Speaker 2: even having worked at one of these cable nets, like

704
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Speaker 2: you know, I think Fox News had more of a

705
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 2: top down this is our line and this is our

706
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Speaker 2: storyline than MSNBC, just because culturally, like they were different

707
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Speaker 2: spaces and I was on Megan's show many times actually

708
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Speaker 2: a Fox News But in any case, you don't need

709
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Speaker 2: that direct instruction to know what you're supposed to do

710
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 2: and to know what the consequences are if you don't

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Speaker 2: do that. And so she's also admitting here that like, yeah,

712
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Speaker 2: I knew what the assignment was and I did it right.

713
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 2: I knew the assignment was. Whatever the new war is,

714
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Speaker 2: I'm all in. I'm cheerleading for it.

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Speaker 3: It's great. Look at our brave men and women. This

716
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Speaker 3: is going to be amazing. Go America, Go.

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Speaker 2: And I you know, I I was a good little

718
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,439
Speaker 2: girl and I fell in line and I did that thing,

719
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Speaker 2: and I'm not doing it anymore. Like I'm I'm not

720
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 2: going to participate in that anymore. I will say one

721
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 2: like nitpick thing is, you know, she's talking about this

722
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Speaker 2: like she's like, I think the real reason is that

723
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Speaker 2: it's Russia and China.

724
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Speaker 3: Buying the Ohale And I don't know.

725
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Speaker 2: This is so silly to me because like the reason

726
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 2: that it was our own choice to not buy the

727
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 2: Venezuela and oil. It's not like they wouldn't sell it

728
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Speaker 2: to us, It's that we had decided to sanction them

729
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 2: and block them from exporting oil to us, so like

730
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Speaker 2: that was always available to us. It's just sort of

731
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Speaker 2: like crazy to me the way this is framed, like well,

732
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 2: they were selling to our adversaries. It's like, yeah, because

733
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Speaker 2: you wouldn't buy from them, so in any.

734
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Speaker 5: Case, well, and we didn't like that.

735
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Speaker 4: They said we couldn't do it on our terms, like

736
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Speaker 4: that's basically what shavas expropriated it.

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Speaker 3: And Shava's yes, but I'm talking about in the present

738
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Speaker 3: with Dora.

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Speaker 2: He was like take the oil, like, yes, I will

740
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Speaker 2: do the deals, like it's all there for you. I'm cool,

741
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,720
Speaker 2: It's fine, let's do a deal Donald Trump.

742
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Speaker 4: You know. And there's this amazing seeing Chompsky clip that

743
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 4: front of the show going Greenwald references a lot, and

744
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 4: Ryan and I actually asked Don Lemon about it one time,

745
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 4: which was incredibly funny. I think we asked Brian Stelter

746
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 4: about it too, But Tromsky, it's funny, familiar.

747
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Speaker 5: He was not familiar with it.

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Speaker 4: But it's this moment where Chomsky is sitting across I

749
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 4: want to say, it's a BBC guy, and but the

750
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 4: point is the guy is like, we aren't getting do

751
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Speaker 4: you really think that we're getting talking points essentially to

752
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:27,800
Speaker 4: like manufacture consent?

753
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 5: And Trumpsky was like, no, no, no.

754
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Speaker 4: The thing is, if you weren't ideologically on board with

755
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 4: everything that your corporate bosses are, you wouldn't be sitting

756
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 4: here like the point is they don't need to tell

757
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 4: you what to say. And I actually thought that was

758
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 4: pretty interesting from Megan because it wasn't just about this idea,

759
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 4: this conspiratorial idea that's easy to believe.

760
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:49,879
Speaker 5: If you haven't seen how the sausage is made.

761
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 4: Instead of these networks that there are like talking points

762
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 4: handed out at the beginning of every day, there are

763
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 4: editorial meetings where you know, you, I'm sure, get a

764
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 4: pretty good sense of what the net works line is

765
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 4: and they say these are topics that are hot right now,

766
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 4: is what the audience is loving, and all of that.

767
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 4: But the point is they hire people who are ideologically

768
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Speaker 4: in agreement on this big foreign policy question, which is

769
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 4: imperialism and US intervention. And that's I think that's actually

770
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Speaker 4: genuinely very interesting to see an ideological break from a

771
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 4: lot of people. Now, this is a Trump quote. We

772
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:28,240
Speaker 4: can be two up on the screen. This is Trump saying,

773
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Speaker 4: Maga loves it, referring to this regime change operation. Maga

774
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 4: loves what I'm doing, Maga loves everything I do.

775
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Speaker 5: Maga is me. Is this a poem? Maga loves everything I.

776
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 4: Do, and I love everything I This is like when

777
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 4: you tell the seven year old.

778
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Speaker 5: To write a poem.

779
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Speaker 3: I mean, this is this is cartoonish, This is.

780
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Speaker 4: An incredible Trump quote. This is truly against Trump. Yeah,

781
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Speaker 4: that's that's uh.

782
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Speaker 3: Maga is me.

783
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 2: Maga loves everything I do, and I love everything I

784
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,399
Speaker 2: do too me all right.

785
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Speaker 3: But heelf reflection there.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean, like listen, like I think most

787
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,879
Speaker 4: people and we have a kind of compilation of reactions

788
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,399
Speaker 4: to share with everyone. But there's a division on the right, yes,

789
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 4: but the division isn't necessarily between a pose and support.

790
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 4: It's a lot of people who fall into the Magan camp,

791
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 4: which is she described it as yellow light, not greener red.

792
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 5: Not opposed to greener red necessarily.

793
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Speaker 4: And I think it's remarkable that she had on Aaron

794
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 4: Mate yesterday to talk right away those Obviously I don't

795
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 4: have any insider knowledge of it, but I think intentional

796
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 4: to start that show with Mate, and then she had

797
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 4: Walter Kernahan to give the pro case, which is super interesting.

798
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Speaker 4: But that's where I think a lot of people are,

799
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 4: Like Tucker on his show last night, It Dropped last night,

800
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 4: Tucker Carlson was talking about how he's he's kind of

801
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 4: uncomfortable with it, but if it's you know, a precise

802
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 4: thing that works out, which he sounded pretty like skeptical

803
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 4: that it will. Maybe it'll be a good thing. But

804
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 4: you just see like hesitance among a chrunk of you

805
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 4: don't see total outright opposition. Yeah, from many people. I

806
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 4: think there are a lot of people who I know.

807
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 4: We pulled this Matt Walsh reaction. What did you make

808
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 4: of this? Crystal not entirely surprising. So Walsh rebutting and

809
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Speaker 4: JD Vance did something similar rebutting allegations that it's.

810
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Speaker 5: A war for oil. He seems like he's on board

811
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Speaker 5: with this one. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, And yeah, so you can see it. First of all,

813
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 2: the war lasted like ninety minutes. I mean, it's just

814
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Speaker 2: so that's from Walsh. Yeah, this is Matt Walash the second.

815
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Speaker 2: Going to war to secure vital resource for your own

816
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 2: people's totally legitimate. I mean, this is the sort of

817
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 2: thing we used to have some shame about. We used

818
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 2: to feel the need to cloak it in democracy or

819
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 2: human rightism. Now it's just no, we're going to steal

820
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 2: the resources. Why should we allow some third world communist

821
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 2: shithole to control trillions of dollars worth of oil.

822
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Speaker 3: So then just like, oh, okay, people.

823
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Speaker 2: Aren't allowed to and listen Maduro's last election I think

824
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 2: pretty widely viewed as illegitimate. But in general, like, okay,

825
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 2: there's lots of countries around the world with leaders we

826
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 2: don't like, right, we're just going to depose them all,

827
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Speaker 2: and many of them we work with, right, the many

828
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Speaker 2: like illegitimate authoritarian leaders that are direct allies.

829
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Speaker 3: But in any case, I mean just completely.

830
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Speaker 2: Embracing the most brazen, overt, like villainous, truly language about

831
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Speaker 2: resource extraction now because Daddy Trump does it, and you know,

832
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Speaker 2: I'm going to position this as like the cool and

833
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Speaker 2: based position. We can put B five B up on

834
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Speaker 2: the screen, you know, from him. Previously, I've noticed the

835
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Speaker 2: stark uptick and anonymous accounts of no followers claiming they've

836
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Speaker 2: n followed me that my employer should cut ties because

837
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Speaker 2: I'm a post regime change wars the stands I've held

838
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Speaker 2: consistently and vocally for my entire adult life up until

839
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Speaker 2: Trump did something different, and now here we are. So

840
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Speaker 2: and there's a lot of this. I mean, you know, Fuintes,

841
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 2: we can put him up on the screen. He's actually

842
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 2: taken some I don't know how significant it is from

843
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 2: his followers. He was cheerleading this Venezuela regime change leading

844
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Speaker 2: up to it, making common it's in favor of it,

845
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Speaker 2: et cetera. It's a buying into the like Munro doctor

846
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 2: and all that sort of stuff. After it happens, immediately

847
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 2: he just posts this like USA with a flag, and

848
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 2: then after Trump comes down, it's like, we're going to

849
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Speaker 2: run the country and we're going to rebuild their infrastructure.

850
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Speaker 3: He says, well, initially it seemed like a.

851
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Speaker 2: Solid operation to cleanly, bloodlessly and quickly removement durea for

852
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,280
Speaker 2: power last night, But this new policy of running Venezuela

853
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 2: with US soldiers sounds like a massive over commitment. I

854
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 2: have zero confidence in nation building. Big mistake, and I

855
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 2: sort of feel like, well, what did you think regime change.

856
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 3: Was going to be? Vibes, How did you think this

857
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 3: was going to go?

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Speaker 2: Like, you don't just depose the leader, de capitate the regime,

859
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 2: and then it's like.

860
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 3: Oh, that's done with that.

861
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Speaker 2: Moving along, you know and expect that you know, all

862
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 2: the resources are going to flow to you know, I

863
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 2: mean this is going to be much more complicated, much

864
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 2: more fraud much more chaotic, and with Trump, you know

865
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 2: overtly say hey, we might do boots on the ground,

866
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Speaker 2: we may do years of we may take on a

867
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Speaker 2: countries like it's all on the table. Seems to be

868
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 2: pretty diametrically opposed to all of the assertions previously when

869
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Speaker 2: they thought it was politically beneficial and Trump was positioning

870
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 2: himself as the peace president and the anti regime change

871
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 2: war president, the anti forever war president. You know, there

872
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 2: was a lot of a different tone being struck then.

873
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 2: But leading up to this, Emily, I mean we talked

874
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 2: about it. I talked about it with Sager. There was

875
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 2: not the same level of resistance from MAGA on this

876
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 2: as there was with Iran. With Iran, it was there

877
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 2: was much more direct opposition. There was much more you know,

878
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 2: expressed concern building up to it here, because I don't know,

879
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:42,280
Speaker 2: you've got a confluence of you've got the Latin American

880
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 2: neo cons You've got the you know, the oh it's

881
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 2: just base to come in and take the oil vibe.

882
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 2: You've got the drug trafficker thing. Yeah, you've got the

883
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 2: communism angle. You know, there was enough there that basically

884
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 2: all the factions of MAGA were kind of on board

885
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 2: with it or actively cheerleading it. And I think that

886
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 2: is that is another piece of why I'm not saying

887
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:04,760
Speaker 2: this the whole reason, but I do think that's another

888
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 2: piece of why this went forward at this time because Trump,

889
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 2: I mean, he's looking around all these people hate each

890
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 2: other's guts and are fighting with each other, and his

891
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 2: whole coalition is splintering. And Marjorie Taylor Green is out

892
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 2: of Congress actually now, I think yesterday was her last day,

893
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 2: and she's taken shots in him.

894
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 3: Thomas mass He's taken shots and his.

895
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 2: Approvals in the toilet, and I think he also sort

896
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 2: of felt like, Okay, this is a way for me

897
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 2: to gather up all the pieces and get everybody back

898
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 2: singing the same tune on something that, you know, a

899
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 2: regime change operation that we're all going to get behind well.

900
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 4: And it's It's obviously there are significant differences between Iran

901
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 4: and Venezuela, and as a conservative, I'm sympathetic to some

902
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 4: of the arguments about like hemispheric stability and you.

903
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 5: Know, undermining.

904
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 4: Chinese influence among potential allies. What I disagree with is

905
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,399
Speaker 4: that this is a constructive way to.

906
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 5: Deal with that problem.

907
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, given the last few fifty years of history in

908
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 4: Latin America, US history in Latin America, I'm looking at

909
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 4: Alex Jones post right here that says America must protect

910
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 4: its own hemisphere. Mike Cernovich on that Tucker Carlson episode

911
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 4: that dropped last night, I referenced was basically debating the

912
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 4: wisdom of this with Tucker, and Cernovich made a valid point.

913
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 4: I think we would all agree with the point that

914
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 4: not every war is a rock, and that there there

915
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 4: are grades of a rock style conflicts, and that you know,

916
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 4: there are some military that it doesn't being opposed to

917
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 4: what happened in Rock and Afghanistan does not mean you're

918
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 4: opposed to all use of military force.

919
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 5: And at the same.

920
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:42,359
Speaker 4: Time, again there's this Alex Jones Mike Cernovich. I find

921
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 4: this actually genuinely interesting. I think you can tell that

922
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:48,720
Speaker 4: Tucker was sort of torn by it. Idea that there's

923
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 4: a kind of ideological global globalist slash communist what's the

924
00:44:56,160 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 4: right word like plot to consolidate world power, and part.

925
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 3: Of that that's so ridiculous.

926
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 4: But part of that's what's interesting is that part of

927
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 4: this is this idea that the global elites are communists, right,

928
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:10,240
Speaker 4: the idea that they want you to live.

929
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 2: In the pod, right, which is so preposterous. Like the

930
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 2: global elites are the people who are doing this regime

931
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 2: change war to carve up Venezuela into pieces and profit

932
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 2: off of it.

933
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're definitely not Marxists, and they like they may

934
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 4: have like some cultural progressive leanings. But that's where I

935
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 4: think this is your point about how there's a thought

936
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:35,720
Speaker 4: that this could bring together desparate factions. I the Alex

937
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 4: Jones reaction, I think.

938
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 5: Is genuinely pretty interesting.

939
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 4: I'm not saying it's like politically significant, but I think

940
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 4: it's it's genuinely interesting because it it's this.

941
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 5: That's the right word for it.

942
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 4: It's it's testing what maga actually is? Is Maga this

943
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 4: like kind of interesting? I mean, it's obviously going to

944
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 4: be interesting no matter what it's. It's maga and Maga

945
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 4: is me as we know according to Donald Truck, right,

946
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 4: Mega is everyone, Mega is everywhere, But like, what is it?

947
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 4: Because here's Lindsay Graham. We would be remiss if we

948
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:08,800
Speaker 4: didn't play this clip of have Lindsay Graham. One of

949
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 4: the things that Tucker was debating the Sernovich is that

950
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 4: he thinks the problem is that this is creating playbook

951
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 4: that Trump is going to repeat elsewhere.

952
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,760
Speaker 3: So let's roll the Happiest Man in America.

953
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,280
Speaker 5: The happy is it for now? B seven.

954
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,879
Speaker 6: I pray and hope that twenty twenty six will be.

955
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 9: The year that we make a run great again.

956
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 2: He just put a make a Run Great Again had

957
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 2: on on cable news, and I think he had Trump

958
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 2: signed one of these. Oh well, so yeah, and you

959
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 2: guys probably saw the clips, so we may have played

960
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 2: one of them yesterday. I don't remember of Lindsey Graham

961
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 2: on Air Force one with Trump and just I mean,

962
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 2: I have never seen anyone well, I mean like, you know,

963
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 2: like a kid on Christmas.

964
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 3: Just absolutely ecstatic.

965
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 2: So you know, ask yourself if you want to be

966
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 2: on board with the things that make Lindsay Grahm happy

967
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 2: in terms of foreign policy.

968
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 4: That's one of the things Megan mentioned when she was

969
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 4: talking to Mate. She was she was like, anytime Lindsay

970
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 4: Graham is happy, I'm uncomfortable.

971
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 3: That's a good barometer.

972
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:09,800
Speaker 5: It's a great parometer.

973
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 4: It's a great Parometer's track record is not stellar, And.

974
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,280
Speaker 2: I think Thomas Massis didn't Thomas Massey's or wasn't maybe

975
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,399
Speaker 2: Rand Paul. I think it was Rand Paul's. That's something

976
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 2: like he should be banned from going for the White House.

977
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 4: There should be a law, Yeah, there should be a

978
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 4: law that Lindsay Graham can't go to the White House

979
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:26,359
Speaker 4: like more than ones a week.

980
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 5: Ye like that.

981
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 2: That's and that seems really generous. Once a week is

982
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 2: way too many.

983
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know what, it'll be poetic? Justice is not justice.

984
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 5: Justice is definitely the wrong word for that. But will

985
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 5: be poetic is.

986
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 4: If Trump pardons Maduro for giving some type of like

987
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 4: I don't.

988
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 3: Know, vake election information.

989
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 4: If Trump pardons Medua, Lindsay Graham goes from being the

990
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 4: happiest man in America the statist man.

991
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 2: I don't know, does he though, I don't know if

992
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 2: he cares, like once he's gone and like if they're

993
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:57,839
Speaker 2: getting what they want out of Venezuela.

994
00:47:57,960 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 3: I don't know.

995
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 2: I don't know that he really cares about, like deeply

996
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 2: about specifically the fate of Maduro and whether he like

997
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 2: rots in prison for the rest of his life or

998
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,720
Speaker 2: shipped to Turkey. Was I think or Russia was something

999
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 2: that was floated.

1000
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 4: But I feel like Instagram is one of the few

1001
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 4: remaining like genuine uh neo conservatives, not neo conservatives, and

1002
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 4: that he's like a former Trotsky guy, but like actual

1003
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 4: imperialist ideologically believes in spreading democracy. He's one of those,

1004
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 4: like real true believers. So he may he may genuinely

1005
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 4: want yeah to rot in jail.

1006
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 8: We'll see.

1007
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 2: But anyway, I mean, I think for right now, Maga,

1008
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:31,320
Speaker 2: I think Trump is right, Maga is on board.

1009
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 3: The polling reflects that it looks like it.

1010
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 2: You know, there are some warning signs they're worried about, Okay,

1011
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:38,359
Speaker 2: well do we get too involved? But I think they

1012
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 2: also have shown the capacity to, like when you ask

1013
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 2: them at advance whether they support this, there was a

1014
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:44,839
Speaker 2: different story and than when Trump does it, then they're

1015
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 2: on board. So if we get more involved in Venezuela,

1016
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 2: they're going to probably be on board with that as well.

1017
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 2: So I don't think there's the same coalitional risks here

1018
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 2: that there were with Epstein that there were with the

1019
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 2: Ron with Israel. I don't think you have the same

1020
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,359
Speaker 2: sort of fraught lands gape for him. But I mean

1021
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 2: I could be wrong if it goes like really catastrophically.

1022
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,879
Speaker 2: Then maybe that calculus changes, but for now people are

1023
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 2: pretty much more or less on board. Speaking of laws

1024
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 2: that need to be passed. Seriously, the fact that this

1025
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 2: insider trading on polymarket is just going on, and the

1026
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 2: things you can bet on on these you know, websites

1027
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 2: is just insane. The level of corruption and you know,

1028
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 2: corrupt dealings, and the way that our whole uh not

1029
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,720
Speaker 2: even economy, like our whole world is turning into a casino.

1030
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 2: In any case, Let's actually start with C two. This

1031
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 2: is Wall Street Journals right up of this polymarket mystery

1032
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 2: trader who made four hundred thousand dollars betting on Maduro's downfall.

1033
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 2: They say, less than five hours before time explosions rocks

1034
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 2: the Venezuela and Capital Caracas, an unknown trader double down

1035
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 2: on bets, specifically that Nicholas Maduro would soon be out

1036
00:49:55,080 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 2: as the country's leader. The wagers on polymarket I had

1037
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 2: a twelvefold return on investment and fuel suspicions that someone

1038
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 2: used inside knowledge of the closely held US operation make

1039
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:07,760
Speaker 2: a quick profit.

1040
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 3: And they track here.

1041
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 2: You know, this person placed some initial bets in December

1042
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 2: and then they end up you know, just placing a

1043
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 2: massive amount of their bets just hours before this accurse,

1044
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 2: and at the time, there was only an eight percent

1045
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:29,919
Speaker 2: probability according to the overall market, that Maduro would lose

1046
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,839
Speaker 2: power that month. Because while you know, while we all

1047
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 2: knew that something was brewing, something might happen, et cetera,

1048
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 2: like the specifics of it, that it was going to

1049
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 2: happen now, and that it would be this kidnapping operation,

1050
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 2: like you know, the public did not have knowledge of that.

1051
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:48,799
Speaker 2: So in any case, you know, the it looks very

1052
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 2: much it has all the hallmarks of some sort of

1053
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 2: insider who had you know, once they got the information,

1054
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 2: went all in on this bet and netted themselves four

1055
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars becas of it.

1056
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 4: I mean, it's almost and we can put see one

1057
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 4: up on the screen now too. There's people who have

1058
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 4: done some digging on this wallet, and if you dig

1059
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 4: deep enough, there is a potential connection to Steve Whitcoff. Now,

1060
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:19,320
Speaker 4: of course, with these wallets, that's very very difficult to verify,

1061
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,319
Speaker 4: and we don't know. I mean that's I don't want

1062
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 4: to spread this as though it's definitive or anything like that,

1063
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 4: but if you're interested. I encourage you to go look

1064
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 4: at the wallet digging that some folks have done. I

1065
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:34,839
Speaker 4: did reach out to the White House to ask whether

1066
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 4: they were investigating this yesterday, especially actually, given that Semaphore

1067
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 4: reported the New York Times was that the Washington Post

1068
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:45,839
Speaker 4: also were tipped off about the operation and refrain from

1069
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 4: posting it for the protection of troops.

1070
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:48,959
Speaker 5: That's what the White House.

1071
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 4: I mean, that's an order that the White House, or

1072
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 4: a request that the White House makes of outlets in

1073
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 4: similar situations historically. But they decided to comply and they

1074
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:01,879
Speaker 4: didn't run their stories. But I asked the White House,

1075
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 4: are you investigating this, given that maybe journalists could have

1076
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 4: been people that.

1077
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 5: Were making these bets.

1078
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 4: Now to me, I look at the Wall investigation, I

1079
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 4: find it to be fairly compelling, Crystal, and it seems

1080
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 4: like it was a very small circle of Trump officials

1081
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:18,720
Speaker 4: who were even in a position.

1082
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:19,240
Speaker 5: To alert the media.

1083
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 4: So the odds of this being someone at the at

1084
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 4: a very high level are significant, and it's something the

1085
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 4: White House absolutely should be investigating. But we've seen, you know,

1086
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Speaker 4: from crypto, and we're going to talk about that in

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00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 4: just one moment. But from from Crypto to these types

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00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 4: of betting markets polymarket.

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Speaker 5: Calshi.

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Speaker 4: This administration is pretty comfortable with this type of financial activity,

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Speaker 4: and it may seem like nothing.

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00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:52,360
Speaker 5: And I know people who.

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00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:55,399
Speaker 4: Use poly market Calshi and bet on these things think

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00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 4: that it's You can make the argument sometimes that it's

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00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:01,359
Speaker 4: good to have insiders involved. From their perspective, they'll make

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00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:06,319
Speaker 4: that argument and say it gives it. This is not

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00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 4: an argument I agree with, but it's democratizing in the

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00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 4: way that smart traders can follow it, can try to

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00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 4: follow these wallets and see what they're doing and capitalize

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00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 4: on it. But on the other hand, you have the

1101
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 4: deeply corrupting, deeply corrupting influence of people who are making

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00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 4: these bets in public life getting super rich off of it.

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00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 4: First of all, it's wrong, and second of all, it

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00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 4: can start to influence their decisions.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's obvious, of course, Yeah, I mean I think

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00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 2: it is obvious. I don't think it requires explanation. I

1107
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 2: think most people look at this and are disgusted by it.

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00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 2: You know that you use your position of power to

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00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 2: personally profit, and that you know it's impossible even for

1110
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:47,800
Speaker 2: that individual to really know whether that's influencing the advice.

1111
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 2: They're given to the President of the United States and

1112
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 2: whatever policies are under their direct purview that they can affect,

1113
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 2: and they can also bet on and make tons and

1114
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 2: tons of money on. So it's deeply, deeply corrosive and

1115
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 2: frankly disgusting. So, you know, I don't think there's any doubt,

1116
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 2: Like there's very little doubt that there was some insider

1117
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:07,280
Speaker 2: here who was trading.

1118
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 3: Who it is is more of a question mark.

1119
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 2: The wallet investigation points to just my understanding is that

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00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 2: one of the wallets was affiliated with or connected to

1121
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 2: wallet that had the name Stephen Charles Whitcoff's name is

1122
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:24,479
Speaker 2: Steven Charles Witcoff. So that's the connection that they're making there. Again,

1123
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:26,840
Speaker 2: this is not at all definitive or proven, but you know,

1124
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 2: these are the sort of bread coromps that have to

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00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 2: be tracked down to get any sense of what is

1126
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 2: actually going on here. Let's go ahead and talk about

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00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 2: you know.

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Speaker 4: By the way, Donald frum Junior is involved with cal

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00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 4: She yes, he is on the board or this is

1130
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 4: like an advisor and also for poly Market at least

1131
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 4: he was as of August he was an advisor.

1132
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:49,360
Speaker 2: Oh, he was involved with them too that it was wild.

1133
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 2: In any case, let's go ahead and talk about this

1134
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:56,720
Speaker 2: other person in the Trump orbit who stands to directly

1135
00:54:56,760 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 2: benefit from the regime operation and war on Venezuela. Can

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00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 2: put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 3: See three.

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Speaker 2: This was a very good article from Popular Info where

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00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:11,320
Speaker 2: they Judd Lgo writes down here that Venezuela raid and

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00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 2: riches megabillionaire the ouster of Madora is a financial windfall

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Speaker 2: for a prominent Trump supporting billionaire investor, Paul Singer. Okay,

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00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 2: Singer gives millions of dollars to Republicans, Trump included, and

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00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:28,840
Speaker 2: he recently purchased sit goo through his investment vehicles. Okay,

1144
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 2: sit Go bear with me here for a moment used

1145
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:37,240
Speaker 2: to be owned by the Venezuelan State oil company. Okay,

1146
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 2: it had debt. I'm not even going to get into

1147
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 2: the technical legal specifics, but basically we took it in

1148
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 2: the you know, under the like sanctions era against Maduro.

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00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 2: We basically took it and sold it off. And you

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00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 2: know now it has ended up in the hands of

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Speaker 2: Paul Singer. So Sitgo has You guys are probably somewhat

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00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 2: familiar with them. They have, of course, gas stations across

1153
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,880
Speaker 2: the country. They also own refineries, and those refineries are

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00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 2: specifically outfitted to process Venezuelan crude. And the fact that

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00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 2: they are not no longer able to get that crude

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00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:16,800
Speaker 2: from Venezuela because of the current you know, sanctions regime

1157
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 2: and hostile, hostile relations with Venezuela has made sic go

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00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 2: much less profitable and much less of a highly valued asset.

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Speaker 2: So the estimate is that Singer got this for basically

1160
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 2: like bargain basement prices because of that reality of you know,

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00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 2: their refineries not being not operating at optimal capacity because

1162
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:40,840
Speaker 2: they don't have access to this screwed well. So he

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00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:44,320
Speaker 2: stands to benefit and his companies stand to benefit directly

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00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 2: if that situation changes. So, you know, I think that's

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00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 2: important to understand that this Trump donor, and we talked

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00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 2: earlier about how you know, you've got this a lot

1167
00:56:55,719 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 2: of powerful wealthy influences, both for ideological and financial reasons,

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00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:05,799
Speaker 2: who wanted to see you know, this outcome in Venezuela

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00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:09,359
Speaker 2: that pushes Trump in this direction and Pulsinger, I think

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00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 2: is an important part of understanding that. And then the

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Speaker 2: last thing we have here from C four is I

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00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:17,439
Speaker 2: mentioned this earlier, but you know, Trump met with the

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00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 2: oil executives before the action. He's that new meetings with

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Speaker 2: oil companies now after the action to you know, make

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00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 2: a deal with them. Well, they'll benefit from a little

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00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 2: bit of US government socialism helping to prop them up

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Speaker 2: in Venezuela. So Trump can get what he wants out

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00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 2: of this track Print's action. Try to push them in

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00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 2: that direction over what appears to be some reluctance to

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00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 2: you know, to re engage or engage for the first

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00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 2: time in Venezuela in certain situations. But in any case,

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Speaker 2: that gives you some sense of what's going on here.

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00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Politico did a story trying to reach out

1184
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 4: to some of these oil companies before the operation and

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00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 4: found that nobody was interested.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it was. It was crickets when they reached.

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00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 4: Out, being like, hey, anyone want to get back into Venezuela,

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00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 4: and people were pretty hesitant about it. One thing we

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00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 4: should also mention is that lest you think that popular

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Speaker 4: information story is just from lefties, the Wall Street Journal

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00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 4: has an article sitgo is a crown jewel of Venezuela's

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00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 4: oil industry. Elliott, that's Paul Singer's hedge fund is set

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Speaker 4: to reap the benefits. And if we go further down,

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00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 4: this deal actually has to be approved by the Treasury Department.

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00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 5: So it's not done yet. It's not done yet. That

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00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 5: who's in.

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Speaker 4: Charch of the Treasury Department oh Man named Scott Bessen,

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00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 4: who loves deals like this, and so that's now in

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Speaker 4: front of the Trump administration again.

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Speaker 5: So we'll see Cristle.

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Speaker 4: But it reminds me of the story that Ken Vogel

1202
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 4: did just yesterday in the New York Times.

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Speaker 5: I think it was yesterday.

1204
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Speaker 4: I'm sorry it was actually earlier, but January January second,

1205
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 4: the headline Trump super Pack raised more than one hundred

1206
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 4: million dollars in recent months. The single biggest donor was

1207
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 4: twelve and a half million dollars each. These are the

1208
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 4: single biggest donors from Greg Brockman, who's co founder of

1209
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 4: open Ai, and his wife. So we're talking. This is

1210
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 4: from crypto dot com. This is contributions from the parent

1211
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 4: company of Crypto dot com twenty million dollars. And so

1212
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 4: this is an administration that is openly transactional. I don't

1213
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:25,440
Speaker 4: even need to tell people that everyone kind of understands

1214
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 4: that's how it works at this point. The administration is

1215
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 4: relatively transparent about that being how it works at this point.

1216
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 4: But if you think that played no factor in this

1217
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 4: geopolitical military intervention, I don't know to tell you.

1218
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 5: I mean, I think it's fairly obvious.

1219
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 4: And the stakes of that, when you have Lindsay Graham

1220
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 4: putting his makea Ron Great Again hat on during Fox

1221
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 4: News hits the stakes of that. Lest you think Venezuela

1222
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:53,960
Speaker 4: is no big deal, which obviously you and I don't

1223
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 4: agree with, Crystal, but let's say that's your position. This

1224
00:59:56,840 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 4: can this can accelerate around the world in ways that

1225
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:07,280
Speaker 4: I think would make people genuinely nervous about who's deciding

1226
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:08,920
Speaker 4: American foreign policy at the end of the day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and why Yeah, Well, I think I think people

1228
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:14,960
Speaker 2: are already pretty concerned about that. Italyst I am, and

1229
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:18,120
Speaker 2: I think many others are also, because they can see

1230
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 2: what's happening. I mean, it's not even it doesn't require

1231
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:22,440
Speaker 2: us to explain, like it's all out in the open.

1232
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 5: You know.

1233
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 3: Trump says it outright, so.

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01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 2: Kind of makes our job easy because he's like, yeah,

1235
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 2: we want to we want to plunder.

1236
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 3: That's what we're there for.

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01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 4: So yeah, and as Vogel right, some of these guys

1238
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 4: were invited to that big dinner for Mohammed bin Salman,

1239
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 4: so the crypto guys, and so yeah, this is it's.

1240
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 5: Bought and paid for.

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01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 10: Uh.

1242
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 4: I guess maybe it's slightly better that we can kind

1243
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 4: of see what's happening, but it's also even more nakedly transactional.

1244
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I see, I don't. I understand that instinct, and

1245
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 2: I feel it in a certain sense as well. But

1246
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 2: I think shame is actually a good thing.

1247
01:00:57,080 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 5: Oh, I don't discree.

1248
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it does create some limits on what can

1249
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 2: be done. I mean as bad as the you know,

1250
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 2: democracy regime change, like oh, we're doing this for human

1251
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 2: rights whatever. It meant that the fact they had to

1252
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 2: code it in some sort of like legitimate aspirational goal

1253
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:20,200
Speaker 2: gave a political weapon to oppose it with, you know

1254
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 2: when it's just like no, I mean, and I keep

1255
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 2: bringing up Gaza. I mean, I think Gaza was an

1256
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 2: important test case for them of like, oh, we can

1257
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 2: do a genocide in plain view, everyone can see it.

1258
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 2: We can starve an entire trap population, turn the whole

1259
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 2: place to rubble, and we can just do it and

1260
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:39,240
Speaker 2: no one's going to stop us. And you know that

1261
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:42,440
Speaker 2: puts everything on the table. It puts everything on the table.

1262
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 2: It just means if we have the force and the weaponry,

1263
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 2: we can do it now. It doesn't consider any second

1264
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 2: order consequences, let alone any third, fourth, fifth, fortieth order consequences.

1265
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 2: But in terms of the initial shakunaw, might makes right.

1266
01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:01,720
Speaker 2: It puts every on the table. And that's the world

1267
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 2: we live in now.

1268
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:03,760
Speaker 4: Well, this is a great point to turn out to

1269
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 4: Yoan Grillo and to bring him into the conversation because

1270
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:08,720
Speaker 4: he's been on the ground in Colombia where Donald Trump

1271
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 4: is also now flirting with potential gene change efforts against

1272
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 4: Gustava Petro.

1273
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 5: So let's get see Yoan.

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01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 4: We're joined now actually from the border Colombian border with

1275
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:25,200
Speaker 4: Venezuela by journalist Joan Grillo. Truly one of the very

1276
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 4: best out there. Please go subscribe to a substack over

1277
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 4: at crash out media dot com is one of I

1278
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 4: think the most invaluable places to get reporting from Latin America.

1279
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 4: Yoon is based in Mexico. Yowen, thank you so much

1280
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 4: for joining us.

1281
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 10: Yeah, great to be here as well.

1282
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 4: There now you've been embedded actually with Colombian law enforcement

1283
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:48,240
Speaker 4: as the chaos in Venezuela ensues. Can you just give

1284
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 4: us a sense of what you people should should Absolutely,

1285
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 4: by the way, go over to your subsec and read

1286
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 4: your piece about this.

1287
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 5: Put d one up on the screen.

1288
01:02:57,320 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 4: This is Yoen's reporting from the ground in Colombia. But

1289
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:02,400
Speaker 4: if you and you could just give us a sense

1290
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 4: of what it's been like on the ground in Colombia

1291
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 4: where Donald Trump has threatened Gustava Petro since this Venezuela

1292
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:15,320
Speaker 4: operation was completed. What's going on down there right now?

1293
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 10: Yeah? Sure.

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01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:20,120
Speaker 11: So I'm in Kuku Dao, which is the biggest border

1295
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:24,840
Speaker 11: city between Colombia and Venezuela and one of the biggest

1296
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:28,560
Speaker 11: communities of Venezuelan's outside of the country.

1297
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:31,120
Speaker 10: And you've got the situation.

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01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:34,880
Speaker 11: Of around the border post with a lot of Venezuelans

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Speaker 11: who come over to work, and a lot of refugees

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Speaker 11: as well in neighborhoods here, but also one with the

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Speaker 11: military outside of the city. Now, one of the things

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Speaker 11: that happened is that immediately when the attack happened on

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Speaker 11: Saturday at two am Venezuela time on Saturday, the colonel

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01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 11: was saying he was woken up. Then they had imediately

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Speaker 11: had a meeting with President Vetro and with the Ministry

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Speaker 11: of Defense to so we have to react to this,

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Speaker 11: and they sent thirty thousand troops to the border. Now,

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Speaker 11: part of this was just because of the threat or

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Speaker 11: what they saw as the threat of any US aggression

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Speaker 11: that could spill over the same as if in the

1311
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:18,160
Speaker 11: United States you had suddenly an attack from China on Canada,

1312
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:21,400
Speaker 11: I'm sure would immediately send troops to the Canadian border

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Speaker 11: just as a kind of response.

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Speaker 12: But also there's a gorilla group called the E L

1315
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Speaker 12: n Coni Liberacion National Liberation Army, which is a gorilla

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Speaker 12: group also incited in the indictments against my daughter, which

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Speaker 12: crosses both sides of the borders, about five thousand people.

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Speaker 10: And immediately following.

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Speaker 11: The attacks, they noted a lot of these gorillas moving

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Speaker 11: right over back into Colombia, you know, responding. But since

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Speaker 11: then the gorilla group has now issued a statement saying,

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Speaker 11: you know, we.

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Speaker 10: Need to respond to gringo aggression. So you see these

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Speaker 10: things and the army we're looking at this.

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Speaker 11: Also, you had in December, the same gorilla group carried

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Speaker 11: out a wave of attacks and bombs and all these

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Speaker 11: kind of things as well.

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Speaker 2: Can you talk a little bit more about that. What

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Speaker 2: is your sense of why they were moving into Colombia,

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Speaker 2: what they may do going forward, and how significant they

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Speaker 2: are in the future in Venezuela.

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Speaker 10: So I think that they're just a media response.

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Speaker 11: I mean, they moved back and forth over the border,

1334
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 11: and so they're very present in both countries and they

1335
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:26,080
Speaker 11: can move very easily, and immediately when they saw the attacks,

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Speaker 11: it was kind of an.

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Speaker 10: Immediate retreating movement.

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Speaker 11: They saw large people like, you know, we're going to

1339
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Speaker 11: be attacked ourselves, you know. Could their camps have been targeted,

1340
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:37,640
Speaker 11: you know, with their CIA locations of some of their

1341
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:41,880
Speaker 11: camps since they move into Colombian territory, But seeing that

1342
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Speaker 11: it was, you know, a more limited attack, I think

1343
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:48,880
Speaker 11: one of the big situations happening right now. And there's

1344
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:52,280
Speaker 11: this news this morning about this there's apparently a bunch

1345
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:56,480
Speaker 11: of kidnapping of a bunch of police officers by the Gorillas,

1346
01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:58,720
Speaker 11: and there's a lot of reports that are quite hard

1347
01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:01,480
Speaker 11: to confirm, but from Venezuela.

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Speaker 10: Since this US Special Forces.

1349
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:11,120
Speaker 11: Abduction or apprehension of Nicholas Madoro on Saturday.

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Speaker 10: You've got a lot of these.

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Speaker 11: Armed groups emerging and coming out, more so the Gorillas,

1352
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:20,640
Speaker 11: the eln in a lot of this part of Venezuela.

1353
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:23,160
Speaker 11: They move very people, so they're very very openly present

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01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:26,640
Speaker 11: there and they're working with Venezuelan authorities. US are of

1355
01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:30,000
Speaker 11: this group called people say called the cleek Divos, which

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Speaker 11: are basically pro government or pro cha Vista Chavista being

1357
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:38,800
Speaker 11: the socialist ideology named after a wal chavi Ast the founder.

1358
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Speaker 11: These are armed groups which are very very president in

1359
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Speaker 11: the neighborhood and we've seen them come out a lot.

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Speaker 10: More so people are telling me that like.

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Speaker 11: In the areas now that's seeing that these militias out,

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01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:54,680
Speaker 11: just talking to colleague in Caracas, Venezuelan colleague Karrakas is

1363
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:58,680
Speaker 11: sending information there from there. There was a big march

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Speaker 11: on Sunday following the apprehension of Madoro, where a lot

1365
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:10,160
Speaker 11: of these collectivos came out openly holding guns, openly carrying kashnikovs.

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Speaker 11: So I think there's a kind of a worry about

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01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 11: with a certain vacuum of power, with the Venezuelan government

1368
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Speaker 11: being weakened from above by the United States.

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Speaker 10: Then from below, these kind of armed groups taking more power.

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Speaker 11: And one of the things my colleague in Krakas was

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01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:31,880
Speaker 11: saying is there's a warrior. This could become a bit

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Speaker 11: more like e Lebanonization of the streets with these, you know,

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Speaker 11: with these different arm groups, eln collectibles and different groups

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Speaker 11: openly kind of controlling the neighborhoods.

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Speaker 10: If there's not a clear authority asserted.

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Speaker 5: Well, let's play here. Donald Trump talking about Gustava Petra.

1377
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Speaker 5: This is going to be D two.

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Speaker 11: It's very sick to run by a sick man who

1379
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Speaker 11: likes making cocaine and selling it to the United States,

1380
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Speaker 11: and he's not going to be doing it very long.

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Speaker 3: What does that mean. He's not going to be doing

1382
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:02,840
Speaker 3: it very long, He's.

1383
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Speaker 10: Not doing it very low. He has cocaine mills and

1384
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:08,880
Speaker 10: cocaine factories. He's not going to.

1385
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Speaker 8: Be doing it right.

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Speaker 3: So there will be an operation by the US, and

1387
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Speaker 3: it sounds good to be.

1388
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Speaker 4: And we can go ahead and put this next element

1389
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:16,559
Speaker 4: up on the screen as well. This is a good

1390
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:19,439
Speaker 4: stup of Petro a couple of times actually in recent days,

1391
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:23,240
Speaker 4: basically saying come get me. Not dissimilar entirely from what

1392
01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:27,200
Speaker 4: we saw from Nicholas Muduro obviously before Trump came and

1393
01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:30,840
Speaker 4: got him Yoan, I just wanted to ask how this

1394
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:35,640
Speaker 4: back and forth is affecting the basically the reality on

1395
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:37,920
Speaker 4: the ground in Colombia. That's kind of what we've been

1396
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:41,800
Speaker 4: talking about the entire time. But how fragile is or

1397
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 4: is not, how fragile is Petro right now? What is

1398
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:46,679
Speaker 4: the sense on the ground.

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Speaker 11: So I think Petro is a very very different thing

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Speaker 11: from Maduro and a very different situation.

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01:08:55,280 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 10: I mean, Maduro was indicted twice.

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01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:00,920
Speaker 11: I was indicted in twenty twenty in again this year

1403
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:06,120
Speaker 11: on narco terrorism, conspiracy, cocne trafficking. We don't know about

1404
01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:09,479
Speaker 11: any indictments of Gustavo Bedro, if there's any there at all.

1405
01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:14,960
Speaker 11: The other thing is that whereas with Madoro, there's a

1406
01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:20,360
Speaker 11: pretty incredible claims that Maduro stole the election in twenty

1407
01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:25,439
Speaker 11: twenty four, and Trump hasn't really talked about this much

1408
01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:27,599
Speaker 11: as being most of the reasons the political reasons.

1409
01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:29,560
Speaker 10: It's more about crime or oil.

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01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:32,800
Speaker 11: There's you know, Marco Rubio emphasizes that and he was

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01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:36,439
Speaker 11: you know, Venezuela was quite a kind of road regime

1412
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:39,679
Speaker 11: in some senses around the region. That's not sure. There's

1413
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:43,320
Speaker 11: no real serious claims that Gustavo Bedro stole the election

1414
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:46,160
Speaker 11: when he was elected, and he actually will leave power

1415
01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:47,880
Speaker 11: this year now.

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Speaker 10: GUSTAVL.

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Speaker 11: Pedro is very big on social media and talks, you know,

1418
01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:56,080
Speaker 11: very kind of you anti imperialist talks are very kind

1419
01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:58,920
Speaker 11: of hard rhetoric. But it's quite hard to see if

1420
01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:01,120
Speaker 11: that would be kind of be bad act, you know,

1421
01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:04,360
Speaker 11: with the military. I was with the military in Colombia,

1422
01:10:04,479 --> 01:10:09,000
Speaker 11: and my sense is the military in Columbia actually quite

1423
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:13,040
Speaker 11: right wing and they've fought for years against the Park,

1424
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:15,040
Speaker 11: the left wingle is the fark and now fighting the

1425
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:15,560
Speaker 11: El N.

1426
01:10:16,280 --> 01:10:18,520
Speaker 10: I think they're quite anti leftist.

1427
01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:22,160
Speaker 11: Very different in Venezuelan military, which is run by Chabby

1428
01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:29,640
Speaker 11: Status and so I don't think this kind of situation

1429
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:31,040
Speaker 11: on armed confrontation.

1430
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:32,639
Speaker 10: I don't think it's on the cards.

1431
01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:36,160
Speaker 11: However, I just always give a caveat here now because

1432
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:38,360
Speaker 11: you know Trump, you have to take him seriously.

1433
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:40,839
Speaker 10: You know, he can say this stuff and you think, oh, it's.

1434
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:43,200
Speaker 11: Not serious, and then you know, now he's shown with this,

1435
01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:46,080
Speaker 11: you know, a very brazen, high risk operation to take

1436
01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:46,800
Speaker 11: out my daughter.

1437
01:10:47,320 --> 01:10:48,639
Speaker 10: You have to take this stuff seriously.

1438
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:52,240
Speaker 11: So we don't know, but I don't think war will

1439
01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:54,000
Speaker 11: go to Colombia at this point.

1440
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:56,360
Speaker 10: But you know, we have to see what.

1441
01:10:56,400 --> 01:11:00,640
Speaker 2: This Patro's relationship with Meduro like and how many Venezuelans

1442
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:01,639
Speaker 2: are actually in Colombia now.

1443
01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:07,560
Speaker 11: Yeah, So that's an interesting about about Petro is whereas

1444
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:10,120
Speaker 11: he had left wing and he was himself as.

1445
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:12,639
Speaker 10: A history with with Griller movements, he.

1446
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:14,760
Speaker 11: Actually ended up having a bit more of a combative

1447
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:17,080
Speaker 11: relationship with my daughter. It was, you know, it was

1448
01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:19,240
Speaker 11: a bit rocky up and down, and so he's kind

1449
01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:22,559
Speaker 11: of buying now to to kind of bring in certain

1450
01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:27,320
Speaker 11: and Chavista staff, certain chavvyst stuff, but relation was not great.

1451
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:30,479
Speaker 11: And also he's in conflict now with this El n

1452
01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:35,519
Speaker 11: Grilla group, and the eln Grilla group is very openly

1453
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:42,479
Speaker 11: pro Chavista, very openly, you know, ideologically, very very left wing,

1454
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:46,000
Speaker 11: very anti imperiallyst very anti American, although also you know,

1455
01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:49,400
Speaker 11: like involved in cocaine trafficking and justify that as a

1456
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:52,639
Speaker 11: way to kind of sell cocaine to the Kowen goes

1457
01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:56,439
Speaker 11: to the United States. Now, the actual Venezuelan population here,

1458
01:11:56,720 --> 01:12:00,800
Speaker 11: it's estimated at two point eight million Venezuelans in Colombia.

1459
01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:04,800
Speaker 11: So it's you know, there was about eight million, close

1460
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:08,439
Speaker 11: to eight million Venezuelans left the country since twenty fourteen.

1461
01:12:09,080 --> 01:12:11,760
Speaker 10: My daughter took power in twenty thirteen.

1462
01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:15,600
Speaker 11: And whereas the economy there was actually growth, I do

1463
01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:17,760
Speaker 11: we've got Chava, it's we've got Chavis took power in

1464
01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:20,400
Speaker 11: nineteen ninety nine, so it was in power for fourteen

1465
01:12:20,479 --> 01:12:23,040
Speaker 11: years and you did have a period of growth. And

1466
01:12:23,080 --> 01:12:25,680
Speaker 11: the first one went to Venezuela was twenty twelve and

1467
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:27,640
Speaker 11: things were quite good. Then there was still quite a

1468
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:30,280
Speaker 11: lot of sympathy for Chavis. Then you saw things go

1469
01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:34,200
Speaker 11: down drastically in the country. So like twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen,

1470
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:36,960
Speaker 11: these things actively collapsed. I mean you saw the economy

1471
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:40,120
Speaker 11: go down by eighty percent, and what meant on the

1472
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:44,880
Speaker 11: ground was was real devastation and malnutrition. So so when

1473
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:47,120
Speaker 11: you see have eight million people walking out of country

1474
01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:50,400
Speaker 11: in a decade, and so there's a lot of people,

1475
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:53,400
Speaker 11: you know, we're talking to people the Venezuelans at the

1476
01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:57,080
Speaker 11: bridge here, people coming over for the day. They're generally

1477
01:12:57,400 --> 01:13:00,320
Speaker 11: you know, very anti government in this particular part. There's

1478
01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:04,120
Speaker 11: also our pro government. People still marching in Kanakas and

1479
01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:07,360
Speaker 11: in various places. A lot of them are very much

1480
01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:08,479
Speaker 11: against this government.

1481
01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:13,439
Speaker 10: But also we're kind of a lot of caution about this.

1482
01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:16,960
Speaker 11: I mean, one thing is they took out Maduro, so

1483
01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:18,920
Speaker 11: for a second you thought, okay, this's a big change

1484
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:21,519
Speaker 11: when the revolution has happened and with then in a

1485
01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:24,080
Speaker 11: few hours you realize, actually the regime is still in power.

1486
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:26,639
Speaker 10: So the rest of the people are still in power.

1487
01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:29,840
Speaker 11: So they get to understand the situation on the ground

1488
01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:30,840
Speaker 11: and what this really looks like.

1489
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:34,920
Speaker 10: People. They can't go out and start celebrating on the

1490
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:36,000
Speaker 10: streets in Venezuela.

1491
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:40,680
Speaker 11: They've got these pro government militias in their neighborhoods and

1492
01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:43,559
Speaker 11: they're going to know who you are if you go out,

1493
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:46,360
Speaker 11: and they can target you. You've got a political police notice, Sabine.

1494
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:49,599
Speaker 11: You've got the grillas around there working with the government.

1495
01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:52,160
Speaker 11: So you have got a lot of this apparatus there.

1496
01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:55,160
Speaker 11: And then they realize, okay, it's still there. But one

1497
01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:57,360
Speaker 11: guy who says to me, because well we're patient, we've seen

1498
01:13:57,400 --> 01:13:58,439
Speaker 11: in over a lot of years.

1499
01:13:59,479 --> 01:14:00,759
Speaker 10: But then it's very unclear.

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01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:05,880
Speaker 11: You had then, you know, the Trump turning against Maria

1501
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:06,599
Speaker 11: Coordina my.

1502
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:09,080
Speaker 10: Child of the opposition. Now, I talk to a lot

1503
01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:12,640
Speaker 10: of people about that, and in some way it's kind

1504
01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:13,920
Speaker 10: of interesting because a lot of the.

1505
01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:20,400
Speaker 11: The kind of left wing commentators would say my child

1506
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:21,519
Speaker 11: was a CIA asset.

1507
01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:23,920
Speaker 10: But according to some of the evidence is.

1508
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:25,920
Speaker 11: Coming out now, it seems that, as the CIA was

1509
01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:29,200
Speaker 11: saying from their intelligence reports, she doesn't actually have that

1510
01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:31,439
Speaker 11: much support in the country on the ground.

1511
01:14:32,120 --> 01:14:35,400
Speaker 10: I think that might be fairly true. Talk to people.

1512
01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:38,120
Speaker 11: It's not like there's a real, you know, big support,

1513
01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:39,640
Speaker 11: there's there's still quite big.

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Speaker 5: Which is what happened, was quite all right, Joan.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 11: And one of the one of the problems I think

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Speaker 11: for the opposition is the ve is not off and

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01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:52,000
Speaker 11: are from quite an elite, upper class Venza background, and

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01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:56,200
Speaker 11: most Venezuelan people are are poor, working class and poor,

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01:14:56,479 --> 01:14:58,960
Speaker 11: and so there's quite big gap sometimes of how they

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01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:03,200
Speaker 11: relate to people, whereas the Chavistas did genuinely build this

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01:15:03,320 --> 01:15:06,679
Speaker 11: kind of working class base in these communities, which also

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Speaker 11: I think is very repressive.

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Speaker 10: So it's a complex situation.

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Speaker 11: But like the uh, you know, I see, so they

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Speaker 11: kind of concluded, but then they're right now leaving Delousyrodriguez,

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01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:19,680
Speaker 11: who has been you know, part of the regime. We

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01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:21,040
Speaker 11: talk to people that say, well, she's just part of

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01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:24,280
Speaker 11: the same thing. They've got the double cave. It's also

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Speaker 11: right there in power. Still he's indicted, but he's still

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Speaker 11: in power. And they said, well, these are still there's

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Speaker 11: still the same race him. Now we have to see

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Speaker 11: how things play out. But you know, one of the

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Speaker 11: worst situations would be or what's happening right now is

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Speaker 11: you have you know, the Trump government saying we know

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01:15:43,479 --> 01:15:45,720
Speaker 11: we said we're running Venezuela, saying that we're meaning we're

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01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:48,720
Speaker 11: running it with warships in the Caribbean telling them what

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Speaker 11: they have to do, We're going to bomb you again

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01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:53,200
Speaker 11: rather than you know, an Iraq occupation.

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Speaker 13: And but then running a an authoritarian government as long

1541
01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:00,960
Speaker 13: as they give you say, is what it wants. But

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Speaker 13: keeping that same authority and government in power and the

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Speaker 13: worst of all worlds or is it going to be

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01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:08,360
Speaker 13: actually overseeing a transition and they see it has to

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01:16:08,360 --> 01:16:10,679
Speaker 13: be slow, you know, moved slowly.

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Speaker 10: That might be the case, but things just seem very

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01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:13,439
Speaker 10: out there.

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Speaker 11: And another thing is is that like so for US journalists,

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Speaker 11: most of us came down here hoped to go into

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Speaker 11: Venezuela after the thing.

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01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:24,040
Speaker 10: Nobody's been able to get in.

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01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:25,760
Speaker 11: A lot of journeys who have tried to go in,

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01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:31,080
Speaker 11: they've detained them, deleted all their material, and thrown them back.

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01:16:31,560 --> 01:16:34,879
Speaker 11: There's a lot of news about journalists inside Venezuela being detained.

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01:16:35,439 --> 01:16:39,160
Speaker 11: Now you know people trying to apply for visa journalists

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01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:40,519
Speaker 11: to go in. Then, I mean it's the same the

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01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:42,400
Speaker 11: United States says you have to have visa journists to

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01:16:42,439 --> 01:16:45,720
Speaker 11: go in the report, but nobody's really getting them.

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01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:46,439
Speaker 10: So it's hard.

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01:16:46,560 --> 01:16:49,800
Speaker 11: A lot a lot of the information there, but the

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01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:54,840
Speaker 11: immediate atmosphere is the government continues to be repressive or

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Speaker 11: even more repressive in reaction to this what's happening right now.

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Speaker 2: My last question y on is my understanding is Petro

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01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:07,040
Speaker 2: was not that popular. Has his popularity in the country improved,

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01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:11,559
Speaker 2: vis a vis has sort of like aggressive uh stance

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01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:14,080
Speaker 2: in defense of Columbia against Trump or has that not

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Speaker 2: really made a difference.

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Speaker 10: I don't think so, that's not my impression.

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Speaker 11: And you know, it's hard to see what to say

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01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:25,400
Speaker 11: on new opinion polls, but I think generally in Colombia

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01:17:25,439 --> 01:17:29,639
Speaker 11: there's quite a lot of disillusionment with Petro in power,

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01:17:30,479 --> 01:17:32,880
Speaker 11: even among some people that kind of sympathetic to him.

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01:17:33,439 --> 01:17:36,599
Speaker 11: Are where in contrast with Mexico or I'm normally based,

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Speaker 11: I do think Cloudys Shinbaum in Mexico is still generally

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01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:47,280
Speaker 11: popular overall and has been quite an effective president in

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01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:47,960
Speaker 11: some ways.

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01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:50,200
Speaker 10: I don't think that's.

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01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:53,160
Speaker 11: True of us Double Pepro and there's there's a base,

1579
01:17:53,320 --> 01:17:59,600
Speaker 11: and there's quite an enthusiastic or dedicated base, and you know,

1580
01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:03,719
Speaker 11: there's dedicated people who really really believe in in PTRO

1581
01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:06,120
Speaker 11: and the kind of left wing project and the kind

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01:18:06,160 --> 01:18:08,639
Speaker 11: of first time you've had it in Colombia. In Colombia

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01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:13,080
Speaker 11: for a long time, political left was kind of not

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01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:16,280
Speaker 11: not being very active because the Gorillas, you know, they said,

1585
01:18:16,280 --> 01:18:18,439
Speaker 11: not left wing basically make you a grilla made with

1586
01:18:18,479 --> 01:18:23,720
Speaker 11: the farc when with the ELF. But this time experiment

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01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:26,320
Speaker 11: of left wing government in Colombia I.

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Speaker 10: Don't think has been very popular. But we'll see.

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Speaker 11: There's a new election coming up in on thirty first

1590
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:34,519
Speaker 11: of May, and Petrow the party has a candidate and.

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01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:36,479
Speaker 10: Is a right wing candidate competing then as well.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 2: From the outside, I will say I have enjoyed his

1594
01:18:39,280 --> 01:18:43,880
Speaker 2: content creation quite a bit, so there at least there's that.

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Speaker 2: We'll have to have you back to talk about Mexico,

1596
01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:48,160
Speaker 2: which is a whole other Kenon warns. But thank you

1597
01:18:48,200 --> 01:18:49,800
Speaker 2: so much for breaking down what you're seeing there on

1598
01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:51,200
Speaker 2: the ground, So so helpful.

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Speaker 3: We really appreciate it.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, absolutely great to be here. We're best there would

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Speaker 10: would be