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Speaker 1: once again kicks off for the final night in Mobile, Alabama.
Speaker 1: And uh, I'm sad to say that is our final
Speaker 1: night for the show, but uh yeah, some of us
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Speaker 1: those people that will covered is David Hellman from Dallas
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Speaker 1: of this show, and myself will cover the game. But
Speaker 1: tonight we have a special guest. Two special guests, matter
Speaker 1: of fact, two gentlemen that have spent a lot of
Speaker 1: hours with me already working on this NFL draft studying tape.
Speaker 1: Every night we can sharing ideas, blaming each other, a
Speaker 1: lot of arguments and a lot of agreements. But tonight
Speaker 1: they're going to join us and talk a little bit
Speaker 1: about this NFL Draft and what they've seen from the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. Been here all week and the gentleman I'm
Speaker 1: talking about is Jeff Kavanaugh from one oh five three
Speaker 1: The Fan and Kevin Turner from one oh five three
Speaker 1: The Fan, my two scouting buddies. Gentlemen, Welcome to the
Speaker 1: Draft Show. Thank you. It's an on earned privilege. Enjoy
Speaker 1: watching and listening to the Draft Show and it'll be
Speaker 1: fun to be a part of it now. You were
Speaker 1: a part of the some of the draft shows we
Speaker 1: did from the Combine last year, so your Draft show
Speaker 1: veteran kat, new experience for you here today. Yeah, first
Speaker 1: time to come to the Senior Bowl and looking forward
Speaker 1: to getting out to the Combine and and filling in
Speaker 1: for Dane for this next hour. Yea, that's a tall task. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Dane Bugler headed on home to hang out with
Speaker 1: his family and get back into all that. So h again,
Speaker 1: for the next hour, we're gonna talk. We're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about really, I'm gonna get We've had our opinions about
Speaker 1: how we've seen this Senior Bowl unfold, and I'm interested
Speaker 1: to see some of the ideas that you guys had
Speaker 1: it and like I like I alluded to earlier, though
Speaker 1: you guys watched the tape with me. We're about one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifteen players in goals to get to about
Speaker 1: three hundred. We got our way to go, but we
Speaker 1: got a little time. But I want to I just
Speaker 1: wanna ask you first, Jeff, your impressions though, of what
Speaker 1: you saw from the players. You know what what you're
Speaker 1: you're going into your expectations, where they met or there's
Speaker 1: something anything different about the Senior Bowl, And as far
Speaker 1: as with the players you've seen this week, I think
Speaker 1: it's really interesting. And I think that by the third
Speaker 1: day of practice. The best part about it is I
Speaker 1: feel like a lot of the guys you see the
Speaker 1: same sort of things from over and over, and so
Speaker 1: you feel like, Okay, I've sort of got a handle
Speaker 1: on that player. You watch a guy for one day,
Speaker 1: and you know, you write down your notes for that
Speaker 1: first day, and then the second day you start to
Speaker 1: write the same thing, and it's like, wait a minute, Okay,
Speaker 1: I kind of know who he is, you know, and
Speaker 1: there's a lot of those guys. There's some guys that
Speaker 1: pop up that I'm not all that familiar with yet,
Speaker 1: and then it's like, okay, now I know I gotta
Speaker 1: go watch the tape on that guy, right, But a
Speaker 1: lot of these guys, like the defensive lineman in this
Speaker 1: group that we knew coming in, we're really good players.
Speaker 1: You watch him playing, it's like, yeah, that's the same
Speaker 1: guy I've always seen and it just sort of concretes
Speaker 1: what you thought you knew about guys. So the live
Speaker 1: view for and Katie, I'll get to you to stay here.
Speaker 1: The live view for you though, helped you with the
Speaker 1: size of the player because you were talking about when
Speaker 1: you first got here and standing next to Austin Johnson.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and you're Oakman like Oakman. You look at
Speaker 1: Oakman on tape and there's things about him that you're like, man,
Speaker 1: could you please just I want to see some sort
Speaker 1: of fire. You're playing next to Andrew Billings, a defensive
Speaker 1: tackle at Baylor who was going one hundred and ten
Speaker 1: miles an hour at all times. And with Sean Oakman,
Speaker 1: it's like, stands straight up, do nothing. Stands straight up,
Speaker 1: do nothing, and then he flashes for and you're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: well where is that guy? And you stand next to
Speaker 1: him and it almost makes you want to give him
Speaker 1: more opportunities just because you look at the guy and
Speaker 1: you're like, holy cow, compare him, Compare to Sean Oakman
Speaker 1: physically just standing there with him, to the other guys
Speaker 1: that are out here, and it's like, I want to
Speaker 1: give you every chance in the world to be good
Speaker 1: on tape just by standing there. I think I think
Speaker 1: there's a lot to seeing guys live Carson Wentz, watching
Speaker 1: him move just you know, standing thirty feet away instead
Speaker 1: of watching him on tape, you get a real appreciation
Speaker 1: for the sort of athlete you're looking at. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think there's a I think there's a lot of
Speaker 1: advantages to being physically there with them, Yeah, Katie, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I thought on Tuesday, for both practices, on both squads,
Speaker 1: we were down on the field on the sideline, and
Speaker 1: that was where you'd see the coaches interact with the players,
Speaker 1: and which is good to see Derek Dooley stopping down
Speaker 1: a drill to coach up, Braxton Miller singing. Lenahan just
Speaker 1: talked to Wentz, seeing Marinelli get after the defensive lineman.
Speaker 1: And then on Wednesday and Thursday, the last two days, uh,
Speaker 1: you you know, taught us the trick to get into
Speaker 1: the press box right, really just act like you know
Speaker 1: where you're supposed to be. Yeah, for the press box,
Speaker 1: it was nice and warm, and then you see the
Speaker 1: whole field and then you see a lot of things
Speaker 1: that you missed live in person on the field on Tuesday.
Speaker 1: So I got both experiences. I felt like it's a
Speaker 1: pretty good week to evaluate. Again, I think Jeff was right.
Speaker 1: By today, I'd kind of not worried about Kenneth Dixon
Speaker 1: so much. I'd not really worried about Braxton Miller so much.
Speaker 1: Kind of got to see those guys, they started going
Speaker 1: kind of looking at some names down the line, some
Speaker 1: maybe Day three type of guys. Yeah, that's why I
Speaker 1: think that we're all like brought us right there. See
Speaker 1: that the Daine Bruger Special. But that's but that's where
Speaker 1: I think that to me is where the draft show.
Speaker 1: And we always our motto here is we like to
Speaker 1: investigate and then uh uca educated. So that's what our
Speaker 1: what's what we like to do. And and you know,
Speaker 1: and it might not be the most popular thing because
Speaker 1: everybody out there and twit the twitter verse likes to
Speaker 1: talk about Braxton Miller, talk about all the but it
Speaker 1: really been scouting. It's about looking at those lower level.
Speaker 1: It's about looking at Day three guys. So you don't
Speaker 1: want to do an hour of Carson Wentz right now. Well,
Speaker 1: you know there's shows that we've had here where we've
Speaker 1: gone a good We've gone to good forty minutes and
Speaker 1: never talked about Carson Wentz. This is the draft show
Speaker 1: for hipsters, like we'd hipster draft here. Well we're not here.
Speaker 1: Well that's and I think, Yeah, I think that's I
Speaker 1: think that's where. I think that's where this And that's
Speaker 1: why I wanted to ask you the question about the expectations,
Speaker 1: you know, because the fact that you have seen one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifteen players already and you've you've you've got
Speaker 1: an idea of how these guys play on tape. So
Speaker 1: I just wanted to know if you know, if your
Speaker 1: expectations were met on what you thought the Senior Bowl
Speaker 1: was all about. Yeah, more than met. I wish I
Speaker 1: could stay for the game on Saturday, because I think
Speaker 1: that would be a lot of fun. Dice go to
Speaker 1: the super Bowl for the super Bowl. But I got
Speaker 1: a lot. I got a lot out of this, and
Speaker 1: I think it's something I want to do every year.
Speaker 1: Now you know, it's the same thing with the combine,
Speaker 1: where I'll go do that right. It was just good
Speaker 1: to be around the players and to be around the
Speaker 1: coaches and all the NFL people around it. And you know,
Speaker 1: there's times at training camp when you'll see a practice
Speaker 1: going on you'll go, it's not a whole lot going
Speaker 1: on here. There are times in these practices, especially the
Speaker 1: ones coached by the Cowboys staff, where it's competitive and
Speaker 1: there's a lot going on on both sides of the
Speaker 1: field and you can't blink because you're gonna miss something.
Speaker 1: So you're watching. All of a sudden, you're watching a
Speaker 1: running back, for example, our little tech running back today
Speaker 1: break some people down in the open Yeah, breaking breaking
Speaker 1: some guys down in the open field today, And you're like, oh, hey, hey,
Speaker 1: look at that right there, right, you see that? And
Speaker 1: then you're like yeah, and then you're firing over on
Speaker 1: the other side and watching a one on one pass
Speaker 1: rush drill. So yeah, that's the great thing about the practices.
Speaker 1: This will, like Dane said last night, though, this is
Speaker 1: the last time that you will see these guys in pats.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is it. I mean, once they played
Speaker 1: this game. Now it's about you know, the combines and
Speaker 1: the workouts, and it's gonna talk about measurables and all
Speaker 1: that stuff, but we'll focus on how the guys played,
Speaker 1: uh this week. And and I want to I want
Speaker 1: to get into a little bit of some and David
Speaker 1: as well. I want to get into some guys that
Speaker 1: you thought helped themselves or hurt themselves. And again the
Speaker 1: fact that they were able to practice. You know, we
Speaker 1: you you like to go after Connor Cook. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's he's a he didn't try up to compete this week. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that and that that Carson Wentz after after practice,
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz is talking to a group of guys and
Speaker 1: he's like, oh, there was no way I was going
Speaker 1: to miss this if my wrist was healed, I was
Speaker 1: coming here like I want to compete, right, And the
Speaker 1: first thing that went off in my head as well,
Speaker 1: I know a guy who didn't want to Yeah, and
Speaker 1: that and that's where I think we've been so mean
Speaker 1: to Connor Cook. Well, but compete, but it's compe but
Speaker 1: it's fair. It's fair to talk about Connor Cook when
Speaker 1: you when you're trying to evaluate and and you know,
Speaker 1: when we told he was healthy, we told he was selfish.
Speaker 1: I mean, I admitted I'm selfish. I want to see
Speaker 1: everybody out there. Heck, i'd like to see him. I'd
Speaker 1: like to see the combine be just nothing but one
Speaker 1: on one drills. God, how awesome that that would be great?
Speaker 1: But it's not. It's not reality. So you know, I
Speaker 1: want to get in. I just I'm gonna name off
Speaker 1: a couple of guys, and I want you to tell
Speaker 1: me just your quick impression, just a quick impression of
Speaker 1: what you thought about this player, and you could say,
Speaker 1: help hurt, don't know, need to learn more, just a
Speaker 1: little bit of an idea. I'm just gonna name a
Speaker 1: few guys. Can you tell me what you think. Brandon Allen,
Speaker 1: quarterback Arkansas. I feel like he and this is a
Speaker 1: guy who haven't studied his college tape on so I
Speaker 1: gotta be fair to him. But when you're doing some
Speaker 1: drills seven on seven and eleven on eleven drills, and
Speaker 1: he tucked the ball, and don't throw it multiple time
Speaker 1: after time. There was three or four times yesterday, he
Speaker 1: tucked it today, same thing. Just come on, throw the ball,
Speaker 1: cut it loose a little bit right. It was really
Speaker 1: disappointing to see now. To be fair again, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go back once we get to Dallas's gonna watch his
Speaker 1: film and get a real type of evaluation on him.
Speaker 1: But I was not happy with what I saw because
Speaker 1: you have to make a decision and get rid of
Speaker 1: the ball, especially when you know that everyone's watching you
Speaker 1: to throw the ball. Make those decisions down the field. Yeah, Jeff,
Speaker 1: for me, I think, having not seen his tape yet either,
Speaker 1: I actually thought he helped himself, okay, because I looked
Speaker 1: at I looked at the four quarterbacks on that team,
Speaker 1: and that's Dak Prescott, Jake Coker, Jacoby Brissette, and Brandon Allen,
Speaker 1: and he looked small compared to Yeah, he's under six two.
Speaker 1: The other guys all look like they're six four or
Speaker 1: so giants out. But as far as locating the ball,
Speaker 1: I was surprised with his arm, like he probably has
Speaker 1: to do more to get it there because he's a
Speaker 1: smaller guy. But I saw inconsistencies from all of them,
Speaker 1: and I didn't anticipate that Brandon Allen would be a
Speaker 1: guy that when compared to the whole group there, I
Speaker 1: would think, man, he might be the best thrower there.
Speaker 1: Y'all correct me if I'm wrong. I spent a lot
Speaker 1: of time watching the South quarterbacks today, like I said
Speaker 1: I would, and Wins I think is the best quarterback here.
Speaker 1: But I think all the South quarterbacks might be better
Speaker 1: than the other three North quarterbacks. But I am away
Speaker 1: thinking that Dak. I think Driscoll has a chance. But
Speaker 1: I came away thinking that Alan Dak Brissette and who
Speaker 1: am I and even Coker had a couple of moments
Speaker 1: not not so much so not impressed with Kessler and
Speaker 1: with Hogan, I'm definitely not I see. And I got
Speaker 1: a little bit of Twitter discussion last night with some fans,
Speaker 1: some Pack twelve fans. Hey, Hogan's a gamer. He's gonna
Speaker 1: be fine, you know, and and and they're right. He's
Speaker 1: won a couple of Pac twelve titles. You know that
Speaker 1: if you watch him on you watch him on the tape,
Speaker 1: there's some things he does. And I just I just
Speaker 1: hope for him. I hope that everything that always Packed
Speaker 1: twelve people were talking about. And we've seen him on tape.
Speaker 1: We kind of have an idea what he is on tape,
Speaker 1: But I hope he does come. I don't want to
Speaker 1: see an these kids fail. But I you know, you
Speaker 1: kind of have an idea. You're not gonna you're not
Speaker 1: gonna get on here and talk about something you didn't
Speaker 1: see from him. Oh, No, One, Hogan is a little
Speaker 1: guy with a limited and he's got a wind it
Speaker 1: up to throw that. That's that's fair, That's absolutely fair.
Speaker 1: Reggie Raglan. I don't think that he helped himself, although
Speaker 1: I get what he was trying to do. Like I
Speaker 1: think that his agent or somebody pushed to have him
Speaker 1: play outside linebacker and rushed the passer because you know
Speaker 1: what he is as a mental linebacker. He's a monster.
Speaker 1: He's a monster. He's a guy that's worthy of a
Speaker 1: top ten, fifteen pick whatever. If you need a mental linebacker,
Speaker 1: Reggie Ragland's your guy. But in watching him rush off
Speaker 1: of the edge, I don't think that he accomplished it much.
Speaker 1: Watching him do it at Bama with his hand in
Speaker 1: the dirt, yeah he did it, okay, But watching him
Speaker 1: do that as opposed to just letting him shine and
Speaker 1: line up at mental linebacker, I think he would have
Speaker 1: looked phenomenal doing this. I didn't think he looked great
Speaker 1: as an edge rusher. Yeah, do you think it was
Speaker 1: kind of a what do you have to lose type
Speaker 1: of thing? Though? Yeah, because we know what he is.
Speaker 1: You've here some guys who don't come to the Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl because they don't need to, Right, we've got it
Speaker 1: locked up, we know we're getting picked high. Maybe he's
Speaker 1: a guy who said the only thing that you really
Speaker 1: had to risk his injury. Well, because the only question
Speaker 1: we have about him is what am I doing with
Speaker 1: him on third down? Because in the NFL? Is he
Speaker 1: gonna cover? Is he gonna put his hand in the dirt?
Speaker 1: What's he gonna do? And I think it was. I
Speaker 1: think it was a calculated decision by him and his
Speaker 1: people to be like, hey, let's go rush the passer,
Speaker 1: let's try and showcase that. And I don't think that
Speaker 1: it's his best thing that he does. And so when
Speaker 1: you watch him one on one, you see some guys
Speaker 1: on the edge, you watch Noah Spence, you watched some
Speaker 1: of these guys who put their hand in the dirt
Speaker 1: and win, And I thought he struggled to do that.
Speaker 1: Does it matter in the grand scheme of things for him? No,
Speaker 1: He's still the premier mental linebacker of this class. He
Speaker 1: tried to show off pass rushing skills, and I don't
Speaker 1: think he did. Don't you know how the coaches feel
Speaker 1: about that, like whether I mean like, yeah, sure, let's
Speaker 1: give it a try, or I really like to see
Speaker 1: you play the position. But you know what I saw
Speaker 1: him do that I hadn't seen it Alabama cover. Saw
Speaker 1: him do that today. That's something that I was, you know,
Speaker 1: and and what did you think about it? Because I
Speaker 1: saw him trying to cover Kenyan Drake, which is really tough.
Speaker 1: He couldn't really, yeah, exactly, very patient, patient and them
Speaker 1: gonna grab you and then you know, yeah, and I
Speaker 1: think that that to me, though, is you know, I
Speaker 1: wanted to at least see him try because at Alabama
Speaker 1: you don't see him playing a lot of coverage. And
Speaker 1: when he does play inside, when he does plays at
Speaker 1: mic linebacker, you can see him. You know, he's a guy.
Speaker 1: To me, he doesn't come off the field. I mean
Speaker 1: that's the kind of impression that got. Whether he's gonna
Speaker 1: rush in the NFL, you think he can do one
Speaker 1: of those things? You think, yeah, I think which one
Speaker 1: would you have him do? I would to me, because
Speaker 1: you're right about the rush, You're you're right about it. Now,
Speaker 1: when he was running over backs, I was writing about
Speaker 1: that the one on one against the running backs was
Speaker 1: a mismatch. So if you want to put him inside
Speaker 1: and blitz him, yeah, much better than put him on
Speaker 1: the edge, you know, with the hand down. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's he's okay, but when he's I think he's better
Speaker 1: as a blitzer. So but I saw some coverage though,
Speaker 1: quick plug your final recap of the week for practices
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Speaker 1: Go find it, Go find it. Okay, how about this
Speaker 1: one for you guys. We go with Jaren Reid, defensive
Speaker 1: tackle from Alabama. Dude's a beast. He's a beast, and
Speaker 1: he was a beast on tape. Like I don't I
Speaker 1: don't think that there's room for him to really go
Speaker 1: down because I think you're gonna turn on the tape
Speaker 1: and you're gonna see this guy is a one technique
Speaker 1: that's really hard to move. From what I saw of him,
Speaker 1: I don't know that I was impressed with him as
Speaker 1: a pass rusher or anything like that, right, I think
Speaker 1: that my impression of him is going to be based
Speaker 1: almost solely on game tape as opposed to what I
Speaker 1: saw it here, because to line him up one on
Speaker 1: one with an offensive lineman and say go get the quarterback,
Speaker 1: I don't think that's him. So the fact that he's
Speaker 1: not going to win with quickness or immediately get to
Speaker 1: the quarterback, I don't worry about it, but I didn't
Speaker 1: see it. Yeah, you know there were times where he
Speaker 1: would go right after Noah Spense on those Dang it.
Speaker 1: That's a tough fact of Fallow. We saw that a
Speaker 1: lot with a lot of guys, though. I remember what
Speaker 1: stood out was a Burbridge trying to run a cone
Speaker 1: drill right after Braxton Miller, and it's like, oh no,
Speaker 1: this is not gonna end up well for you. Every
Speaker 1: single receiver on the North team daring to do anything
Speaker 1: as well as Braxton. All right, let me ask you
Speaker 1: a comparison then from what you go ahead, No, Well,
Speaker 1: before we get too far away from that, I think
Speaker 1: Jeff Rays is an interesting point here, which is, let's
Speaker 1: say I'm really good. I mean, I know you've been
Speaker 1: kind of down on Austin Johnson. This is where I
Speaker 1: was gonna go So if a guy's great on tape
Speaker 1: and lousy here, or not even lousy but disappointing, or
Speaker 1: if a guy is just kind of a guy. Carl
Speaker 1: Masson probably fits in this category too. Massid was infinitely
Speaker 1: better out here than we did not love him on tape,
Speaker 1: really liked him out here. So what matters more to you?
Speaker 1: As you go? I think I think that you gotta
Speaker 1: now the investigation part comes into play. Yeah, okay, did
Speaker 1: you gotta watch three more? Now? You got you gotta find,
Speaker 1: you gotta you know, you got twelve games of Penn
Speaker 1: State in that box. And you know what if it
Speaker 1: takes you all twelve games to figure him out, go
Speaker 1: figure him out. We had to do it with Jalen Ramsey.
Speaker 1: We had to go watch three different years of tape
Speaker 1: to get a handle on that. Absolutely, And to me,
Speaker 1: this is where this is where I want to I
Speaker 1: want to ask a comparison because we talked about Austin
Speaker 1: Johnson and I wrote about this tonight. If you said
Speaker 1: the two at thirty four, who could you have? There's
Speaker 1: this side of me that all of a sudden, I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: now I have more questions about Austin Johnson. Compared him
Speaker 1: to who well, Jar and Jared Reid. Okay, you know, okay,
Speaker 1: who have the one technique type of guys? You know,
Speaker 1: because I would now I would now I didn't see
Speaker 1: Austin Johnson. See, I didn't see Austin Johnson do Austin
Speaker 1: Johnson things this week because we thought we thought he
Speaker 1: was a one technique that would also give you pass
Speaker 1: rush and he did and we watched the Ohio State
Speaker 1: games and stuff like that. He did that, and then
Speaker 1: we watched him out here and he wasn't able to
Speaker 1: win in the pass rush drill. See this is this
Speaker 1: is where I think you have to be careful. But
Speaker 1: but now all of a sudden, guys are going back
Speaker 1: and they're saying, where was that guy? Where was the
Speaker 1: guy that was playing against Michigan State in Ohio State
Speaker 1: and those games, those big ten games he was getting
Speaker 1: pushed and working down the line and getting in the
Speaker 1: battfield and get what you're saying. But I just feel
Speaker 1: like this is, oh, I'm not I'm not throwing him
Speaker 1: to the three three practices two weeks after his season's over,
Speaker 1: but a bunch of guys he doesn't know. But we
Speaker 1: didn't see that we didn't see the pass rushing that
Speaker 1: we had on tape. That's the only that's that's what
Speaker 1: it exists on tape. It exists on tape. It it does,
Speaker 1: And you're right, and that's more important. It is more important.
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, though, if you start talking about
Speaker 1: there were times where Reid looked like a better pass
Speaker 1: rusher and on tape he didn't rush the passer, and
Speaker 1: Reid's definitely a better anchor. Sure, yeah, right, So if
Speaker 1: you're if you look at Austin Johnson and you start
Speaker 1: to rethink if he's going to be a one technique plus,
Speaker 1: like is he going to be a one tech who
Speaker 1: gets pressure? And if he's not, then I think you
Speaker 1: clearly lean to Jaren Reid where you say, okay, if
Speaker 1: I'm not going to get pass rushed from the guy
Speaker 1: who's the better anchor, and that's Jaron Reid. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: didn't think Austin Johnson had a terrible week though, I mean,
Speaker 1: he was better than than Vernon Butler from from it
Speaker 1: was a different who will play three likely and they
Speaker 1: tried him at some one a little bit. Yeah, going
Speaker 1: to the inside guys on the offensive line a lot
Speaker 1: of this to me is who are you going up
Speaker 1: against as well? Right, And the inside guys on the
Speaker 1: offensive line were a lot better than the outside guys
Speaker 1: in my opinion, Jack Allen and yeah, and Nick Martin
Speaker 1: even has a as a knack for not getting I
Speaker 1: think my negativity towards Austin Johnson is based a lot
Speaker 1: of it on today, because I do remember in the
Speaker 1: first two days there were different times while we're watching
Speaker 1: from the press box and I would tweet out the
Speaker 1: guy in eleven on eleven who was in the backfield
Speaker 1: that it would have been a tackle for loss right,
Speaker 1: and it was multiple times, or the guy working down
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage right, and multiple multiple times it
Speaker 1: was Austin Johnson. Right. So I think there's a little
Speaker 1: bit of a recency bias, at least for me from
Speaker 1: today where I didn't see what I hope to see
Speaker 1: from him. Yeah, I was just a little bit. I
Speaker 1: was thinking, this guy's gonna come and light them up.
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna get put violent. You're killing You're
Speaker 1: killing this guy for like no, no, no, no, he'll
Speaker 1: do you know what? All right? Then I will I
Speaker 1: thought it wasn't I agree that it wasn't consistent, but
Speaker 1: he flashed quite at Okay, how many times? And let's
Speaker 1: put the Dallas Cowboy hats on here. We all come
Speaker 1: to the Dallas carrying one. Yeah, we all cover to
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys. Okay with him or you? Okay with
Speaker 1: with Nick Hayden. I'll take Johnson, I'll take Johnson. I'll
Speaker 1: take Johnson, Okay, and then okay, you're gonna be okay,
Speaker 1: he didn't rush the passer real well, I mean, and
Speaker 1: you're gonna go, oh well, damn broad us. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what he knew, what he was talking about. If
Speaker 1: you're getting any pass rush from Austin Johnson, it's more
Speaker 1: than a case. But see, that's what I'm saying. We
Speaker 1: saw it on the tape, and we keep going back
Speaker 1: to these one techniques. It's funny, but it seems like
Speaker 1: to me, it seems like much of them. It seems
Speaker 1: like to me every I guess we got to figure
Speaker 1: out who the fourth overall pick is gonna be. But
Speaker 1: everybody's trying to figure out what that thirty four is
Speaker 1: gonna be. Yeah, that's gonna be. That's gonna be an
Speaker 1: interesting pick. Yeah, Can I name a one technique that
Speaker 1: and I don't want to talk about thirty four or
Speaker 1: what round or anything. It's just a guy I didn't
Speaker 1: know yet. And then I watched him out here and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, it's time to watch tape DJ Reader,
Speaker 1: the guy from Clemson. That is a guy that you know.
Speaker 1: Even in watching the agility drills, you're talking about a
Speaker 1: guy who I don't have what he weighed in at,
Speaker 1: but he's a he's a three twenty five thirty pound guy.
Speaker 1: And you watched him go through those drills and you
Speaker 1: watched him guy stuff, and that guy, that guy moved
Speaker 1: around really well. So I don't I don't know round
Speaker 1: or anything yet, but just in terms of a guy
Speaker 1: that I didn't know yet, that fly for me, that's
Speaker 1: one of us six three three forty and did not
Speaker 1: move like he was three fourty. That's bigger than Johnson.
Speaker 1: Yeah's what yeah? Yeah? And and and and a very
Speaker 1: good athlete. Geez Okay. It would be really easy for
Speaker 1: me to talk about Noah Spence and I want to
Speaker 1: talk about like no, no, and okay, let me let
Speaker 1: me And this is this is really funny because I'm
Speaker 1: glad we have Jeff on tonight for this, for this reason,
Speaker 1: because nobody locks in on on the four more than you.
Speaker 1: Nobody locks in on the fourth pick more than you.
Speaker 1: Four the Cowboys, and you you now seemed to you're
Speaker 1: you're kind of beating the drum that if everything were
Speaker 1: to check out with Noah Spence, that you would consider
Speaker 1: him at four. I would. I don't know why everybody's
Speaker 1: looking at me crazy. I mean, we're talking about the best.
Speaker 1: We're talking about the base pass rusher in chocolate chip,
Speaker 1: chocolate chip, what do you got? I like, Uh, Rocky Road,
Speaker 1: Rocky Road, I got it. It's late January. Give me
Speaker 1: some time to figure this out. As I'm well, we're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about the pick for all the might as
Speaker 1: well throw all the names. He's throwing it out there
Speaker 1: is spitched, and I think he is the best pass rushing.
Speaker 1: If people are asking me about Bosa, don't compare them
Speaker 1: as pass rushing. I'm not look at the camera. Don't
Speaker 1: do that. Don't compare them like Joey Bosa is a
Speaker 1: two hundred and seventy some odd pound guy that wins
Speaker 1: with technique and power. Yeah he's a good athlete. Yeah
Speaker 1: he's gonna move guys around. And he can get into
Speaker 1: the backfield. Nobody turns the corner like this guy. Yeah, Noah,
Speaker 1: Spence turns the corner like we watched von Miller do
Speaker 1: for the Broncos. Now, if that means because he came
Speaker 1: in here at two fifty something, if that's gonna be
Speaker 1: his weight, then it may mean that you would take
Speaker 1: it more seriously if you're a three four team that
Speaker 1: wants him to come off the edge. But to dismiss
Speaker 1: the guy who's clearly the best pass rusher in this
Speaker 1: draft in a league where pass rushing is the most
Speaker 1: important thing your defense, does I think that would be
Speaker 1: crazy case dismiss Here's the problem. No one is dismissing
Speaker 1: that idea. Okay, so don't start that, Okay, don't twist words.
Speaker 1: No one's everybody would say, let Jeff talk about Spence
Speaker 1: because he's got one that's crazy idea. You're the one
Speaker 1: that's You're you're driving the train now on this. Can
Speaker 1: you tell this as a conversation that has happened off
Speaker 1: the air, you know, like this is not six two five,
Speaker 1: two fifty four your numbers. Here's the thing I want
Speaker 1: to say this require this is about what to me
Speaker 1: it's about and Jeff had the best idea ever is
Speaker 1: we need to go back and find tape of him
Speaker 1: dominating at Ohio State because my problem for three days
Speaker 1: he was beating le Raven Clark from Texas Tech. You
Speaker 1: love that reach. He was beating Spencer Drango from Baylor
Speaker 1: le Raven Clark from Texas Tech. Okay, those are the
Speaker 1: primary two guys. He was good schools and the good
Speaker 1: academic schools outside these borders, of course, but those are
Speaker 1: two players who he will dominate nine times out of
Speaker 1: ten every time in college. At Easterday at Eastern Kentucky,
Speaker 1: he had to go beat Kentucky was the best school
Speaker 1: they played, and in North Carolina State and North Carolina State, Right,
Speaker 1: Jeff had the best idea. We need to go back
Speaker 1: and watch him play from two years ago when he
Speaker 1: was an All Big Ten player, and then I think
Speaker 1: I'll start to then we'll talk about your ex toc
Speaker 1: issues and all the all the problems we'll have those,
Speaker 1: we'll have those, and we'll get a chance to talk
Speaker 1: to him. We'll get a chance to have those interviews.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be great. Yeah, But like I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: say right now, he's number four without I think he
Speaker 1: will back, he would consider, he would consider. I think
Speaker 1: he'd do it. I'm just gonna go and who's there,
Speaker 1: Who's gone? One? Two? Three? Wait a minute, now, well,
Speaker 1: I take my quarterback. Okay, he's gone, I take my quarterback.
Speaker 1: Golf is gone. Treadwell or Spence or Tunsil, another guy,
Speaker 1: Jack or Spen, Ramsey or Jack. Listen, there's five names
Speaker 1: you gotta I'm gonna have to write him down. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna think about Okay, I'll tell you what we're gonna do.
Speaker 1: We're gonna take a break right now. Yeah, fench writer,
Speaker 1: I thought I could draw him off sides. Okay, we're
Speaker 1: gonna take a little break. Yeah, thank you. We're gonna
Speaker 1: take a little break here from the Draft Show. We
Speaker 1: will be right back to get into some Twitter your
Speaker 1: Twitter questions, and then I'm gonna go through some more
Speaker 1: names here and we're gonn to figure this all out.
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Speaker 1: That's true. We do kent. You're not gonna play with this.
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Speaker 1: sounds like that anyway. Anyway, So Dave take it over.
Speaker 1: I know we just prided ourselves on being hipster Draft show,
Speaker 1: but real quick, Yeah at the Draft Show. Yes, if
Speaker 1: you need to ask a question, I forgot the bad
Speaker 1: host Brian Brouss. Big name coming home. We got a
Speaker 1: real big name, got a big name coming There's nothing
Speaker 1: we can do to avoid it because he's on by
Speaker 1: the end. By the time it's all said and done,
Speaker 1: I think he'll be the story of the scene your Bowl,
Speaker 1: even more so than Carson Wentz. Go ahead. AJ wants
Speaker 1: a pro player comparison for Braxton Miller, Like, what what
Speaker 1: exactly kind of skill set are we looking at? Here's
Speaker 1: who's this guy reminds where you need game? Well, i'd
Speaker 1: tell you, like Braxton, I want to say it was
Speaker 1: after the first or the second day he talked about
Speaker 1: like who he tries to play like, and I think
Speaker 1: he used the name Julian Edelman, and I want to
Speaker 1: say the other one was Antoine randall El. So he
Speaker 1: was naming guys whose skill set is really small slot,
Speaker 1: shifty quickness, Yeah, which is interesting because you don't expect
Speaker 1: that from a guy who measures in it over six
Speaker 1: foot one. But Braxton does have that. You watched him
Speaker 1: when they were on the red zone stuff today and
Speaker 1: doing one on one right, and one of the best
Speaker 1: things he has is an ability to break you down
Speaker 1: and then when he accelerates, you can't. I was talking
Speaker 1: to Scott Lenahan after practice and asked him about that,
Speaker 1: and he says, you know what, you gotta give him
Speaker 1: credit one and give whoever's coaching him at Ohio State
Speaker 1: a lot of credit for real, because they we talk
Speaker 1: about learning curves and you're and he does not look
Speaker 1: like a quarterback or just an athlete playing wide receiver,
Speaker 1: and that's what Lenahan was talking about. Lenahan saying, hey,
Speaker 1: wherever coached him at Ohio State got him ready to
Speaker 1: do this, and he goes, who Hey, hats off to
Speaker 1: that guy or that staff for able to make that happen.
Speaker 1: Not an expert on the Ohio State coaching staff, but
Speaker 1: is Verbisky. Does he have a hand in that, which
Speaker 1: would make sense because Brian Robisky, Yeah, I know, yeah,
Speaker 1: his dad just got a job at his dad just
Speaker 1: got a job as the offensive coordinator. I want to say,
Speaker 1: I can't remember where he guys. I'm looking up all
Speaker 1: these things as we speak here, but yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: to me, that's the he's talking about. He's talking about
Speaker 1: much smaller players, quicker players. We didn't see a lot of.
Speaker 1: And I don't want to pretend that the quarterback play
Speaker 1: out here was outstanding. I don't know how many opportunities
Speaker 1: we've seen for him to go climb the ladder and
Speaker 1: do a does Bryant catch on somebody? But the way
Speaker 1: that we've seen him create separation is instant, instant explosiveness
Speaker 1: and quickness. That's theay Randall Cobb used to create separation,
Speaker 1: used to Pakarna, right, Yeah, well no, no, not at all.
Speaker 1: But I heard someone It wasn't It wasn't me, So
Speaker 1: I'm not taking credit for this, but someone throughout the
Speaker 1: name Percy Harvin. And I guess I think he's a
Speaker 1: better I think he's a better receiver. It's not as fast, no,
Speaker 1: but I think he's a better I think he's got
Speaker 1: a better skill set. Let's wait till he runs the forty.
Speaker 1: When Braxton turns a four to three. Yeah, wearing shorts,
Speaker 1: you really might If he's faster than Percy Harvin, more
Speaker 1: power to him. Zack Smith is the receiver's coach at
Speaker 1: at Ohio State. So Zach Smith is the man responsible
Speaker 1: for getting u forgetting him, getting him ready to play.
Speaker 1: So give him a hats off to our tip of
Speaker 1: the cap. Too good for you, coach, Yeah, well done, Bobby.
Speaker 1: Bobby wants a prediction for an under the radar player
Speaker 1: who you think will make an impact in the actual
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl in the game. Take it to the game,
Speaker 1: you know, take it to the game. I like that.
Speaker 1: How about DeAndre Washington, the Texas technical? You would go there,
Speaker 1: wouldn't you like what we saw from him today? I
Speaker 1: liked watching him in the past game and in the
Speaker 1: run game. I think that's a dude that can make
Speaker 1: an impact on this game. I'll do you one more.
Speaker 1: We'll go Tyler Irvin on the other squad. Oh there
Speaker 1: you go. Nice job, Okay, very nice. You want to
Speaker 1: go smaller and quicker? Okay, all right, keep an eye
Speaker 1: on Jordan Hayton, wide receiver from UCLA. They're playing him
Speaker 1: the Cowboys coaches are playing him on the outside. They're
Speaker 1: playing him in the slot. I think they've got some ideas.
Speaker 1: There was something you should have tweeted about today from
Speaker 1: practice at the North Bunch did Who's that? They ran
Speaker 1: a reverse? So, yeah, didn't You didn't want to You
Speaker 1: didn't want to get into that, Okay, I don't need
Speaker 1: to get into all that, you know, not trying to
Speaker 1: give away trained secrets here. Random name Darrell Adams tight
Speaker 1: ends South Carolina South? Do you know what? You know? What?
Speaker 1: Hatch a nice catches today And I saw him blocking
Speaker 1: really well today before. Yeah, I watched he ran some
Speaker 1: nice routes. Yeah, but he can. He's one of those
Speaker 1: guys who go get it. I like. I like that guy,
Speaker 1: and I remember not loving the tape that much earlier,
Speaker 1: like maybe two weeks ago, getting away block or a
Speaker 1: little bit. He looks pretty good out there. Another guy
Speaker 1: who had a good week two and he's a guy
Speaker 1: we haven't watched yet or I haven't watched yet. Is
Speaker 1: the other Baylor guy jay Lee too right, big six
Speaker 1: three guy hadn't seen anything, but it had knew nothing
Speaker 1: about him, a lot of winning in one on one
Speaker 1: he had some big wins and one on ones for sure.
Speaker 1: Ard Briles was down there owning on all over it.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what we got it covered. Anybody liked
Speaker 1: to tie it in from Ohio State making some plays. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't think today was his best day. I know
Speaker 1: on the goal line Carson Wentz left one a little
Speaker 1: bit behind him, but he couldn't bring it in again intercepter.
Speaker 1: But before that, I thought, I thought that for all
Speaker 1: three days we saw him just as a big body
Speaker 1: guy that maybe he didn't get really open, but hey,
Speaker 1: Jason Witten doesn't get really open. That's on Twitter last night.
Speaker 1: They asked me, is that a that be a Jason
Speaker 1: Witten comparison? You know, a big guy that can can
Speaker 1: get down there, And I'd say, in the early days,
Speaker 1: we can run. Yeah, Whitten kid. Really, you know, I
Speaker 1: think Whitten was a four six two the that guy
Speaker 1: wasn't running away from anybody, but just in traffic and
Speaker 1: using his body and making contested catches. I thought he
Speaker 1: did you know who else did that? Well? That and
Speaker 1: Katie you mentioned him comparing him to Braxton Miller Burbridge,
Speaker 1: the kid at Michigan State. Yeah, Like I watch him
Speaker 1: run routes and it's like, this guy's not gonna get separation.
Speaker 1: There's not a lot of explosiveness, but when it comes
Speaker 1: to the contested ball, he goes and gets it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he had a couple that. Yeah, but man, it's said
Speaker 1: body catching stuff. He had the worst drop of this
Speaker 1: entire week as far as i'm that's slanted, cla and
Speaker 1: just and like accidents happened. That's how he has to win, though,
Speaker 1: is getting inside He's winning on the outside. No, No,
Speaker 1: And that's what Dane was even talking about when we
Speaker 1: were doing a Senior Bowl live when the one on
Speaker 1: one routes and stuff like that. Dane's like that, you know,
Speaker 1: Murray's gonna feel real comfortable on this one. No speed,
Speaker 1: but yeah, he's gonna have to win inside is what
Speaker 1: he's gonna have to do. Okay, anymore, Kalo wants to know,
Speaker 1: and we kind of touched on this. We didn't really
Speaker 1: talk about him in much detail though, but is Dak
Speaker 1: helping himself, hurting himself or just kind of there. I
Speaker 1: don't know that I watched him enough to know, Like
Speaker 1: I tried to watch that group of quarterbacks, and the
Speaker 1: only note that I made is I thought that all
Speaker 1: of them were inconsistent in terms of delivering the ball
Speaker 1: in accuracy. Like Dak is probably a better thrower than
Speaker 1: I thought. He was coming into some sec SEC records
Speaker 1: for passing and something you need to go back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I had a different, a little bit different impression of
Speaker 1: him because I've seen him light our alma mater up
Speaker 1: not this passing, but a year before. And yeah, and
Speaker 1: so I was thinking, all right, and you know, let's
Speaker 1: let's see we got here. And he didn't throw the
Speaker 1: ball in these practices as well as I thought, or
Speaker 1: that I had seen him throw. We need to sit
Speaker 1: down and study him, because I'm sure they've at the
Speaker 1: Valley Ranch. It's one throw after another after another after another.
Speaker 1: You get an idea about that type of a player.
Speaker 1: But you know, they're gonna run some things in this game.
Speaker 1: They're gonna run some breed option stuff, and he's gonna
Speaker 1: probably look great throwing it on the move and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. We killed Brandon Allen, and rightfully so for
Speaker 1: running and tucking the ball. Dak did it today and
Speaker 1: like blew through the secondary so fast. I was like
Speaker 1: that touchdown running. He had a good stellar shoes and
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, sign me up for that. Briskt
Speaker 1: did that today too. He played better today. I minded
Speaker 1: a lot less when it's an athletic guy who can
Speaker 1: actually get yards, who's doing it? Um, we have to
Speaker 1: answer this one because it's it's it's a special question
Speaker 1: from Dane Brugler. All Right, Dane. He says he thought
Speaker 1: the North offensive line played a lot better today and
Speaker 1: he wants to know if Jack Allen can start in
Speaker 1: the NFL. He'll hang up and listen. I thought Jack
Speaker 1: Allen was really good. I thought Jack Allen was really
Speaker 1: good all week. And I think Jack Allen if Nick
Speaker 1: Martin's gonna play center, Um, that the kid from Michigan.
Speaker 1: I think all those guys Glasgow have something. I think
Speaker 1: Jack Allen though, to me, was the best center this week.
Speaker 1: I thought he was really good. He also played a
Speaker 1: little bit of guard. Nick Martin did the same thing.
Speaker 1: I show that they have some versatility. But I thought
Speaker 1: Jack Allen was the best center this week. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: funny because Jack Allen to me and I and Dane
Speaker 1: knows this, this is my old this is my Perry
Speaker 1: Mason reference where Dane knows the answers to the question.
Speaker 1: You know, Perry Mason shortly, Dane is going to tweet
Speaker 1: in and well, yeah, exactly, that's what Dane does what
Speaker 1: we love him for it. But yeah, I think when
Speaker 1: you watched watched Allen on film, there's that the one
Speaker 1: technique or the three technique, and he's and he's snatching
Speaker 1: that guy. I mean he's reaching front side and in
Speaker 1: positioned himself in turn and then the balls going to
Speaker 1: the outside and he's in position. So I agree with
Speaker 1: you because I did see that a couple of times
Speaker 1: when they were doing some run scheme stuff where he
Speaker 1: was getting he was stepping hard front side and getting
Speaker 1: up on his guy and all that. And then those
Speaker 1: times when you see him second level. I know went
Speaker 1: back and watched the Baylor game last year that they played,
Speaker 1: and he he had some second level blocks it. But
Speaker 1: I thought, overall, the offensive lines we're better now. Again,
Speaker 1: we still have a couple of weak spots and that's
Speaker 1: where they were better than they were on day one.
Speaker 1: Exact day one, every defensive lineman was a Hall of
Speaker 1: Famer and past. To be fair, these drills aren't real
Speaker 1: easy for offensive Lineman and you've got Noah Spense lined
Speaker 1: up wide and he's just you know, screaming, and poor
Speaker 1: Murphy from Stanford is like there's another Oh, here we go.
Speaker 1: You know, he just opens up and tries to cut
Speaker 1: him off. So yeah, Dan's right though, I thought overall,
Speaker 1: and and I do. I do like Alan the Center,
Speaker 1: and I do like Martin. I think just a couple
Speaker 1: of good combos. And the guy we didn't see here
Speaker 1: today was or this week was Kelly the Center Alabama,
Speaker 1: Alabama that we didn't see. And he's another good center.
Speaker 1: So just because no one said a nice word about him.
Speaker 1: Yet there's a guy named Austin Blythe that I thought
Speaker 1: had an okay day the last Iowa. Yeah, yeah, not bad,
Speaker 1: not bad at all. Okay, you want another one, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm good this one. This one's not. It's not so
Speaker 1: much prospect related. I think it's interesting given the conversation
Speaker 1: we were having, Rob wants to know, how do you
Speaker 1: how does it affect your search for a one technique
Speaker 1: that David Irving is there with what seems to be
Speaker 1: some upside and does that affect you're thinking at all? Well,
Speaker 1: it is worth throwing in the very Terrell mcclean's back,
Speaker 1: and we still and we all want to love Terrell McClean.
Speaker 1: But Terrell McClean plays three games and all something something
Speaker 1: bad happened has not worked out for him two years,
Speaker 1: two times in the I R. You know, okay, so
Speaker 1: you have two, but David Freeging one text that you
Speaker 1: can't count on. No, no, no, I play I play
Speaker 1: David Irvan. Either play him at end or I playim
Speaker 1: at three. Okay, I don't play him inside there? I mean,
Speaker 1: is he want you know, you want to feel like
Speaker 1: though he can be a point of attack, plaim at
Speaker 1: the three, let him play on that shoulder, let him
Speaker 1: go up the field. That's what he can do. That's
Speaker 1: kind of amazing that you think somebody should play three
Speaker 1: because you think everyone should play one. So well, it's
Speaker 1: great if you okay, I'll give you three. Well children.
Speaker 1: Rankings Sheldon Rankings was awesome this week. Another one too,
Speaker 1: Dolphins Washington Dolphins. One yeah, inside outside spin move, yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, just to you assess the situation, all right, Sheldon.
Speaker 1: Sheldon Rankin's is gonna go in the first round. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's realistic. It's realistic to think that between his cost
Speaker 1: and the coach's affinity for him, that Nick Hayden could
Speaker 1: wind up here again. Sure so, but we're trying to
Speaker 1: get better. We're gonna trying to run him out of town,
Speaker 1: aren't we. I know, I am all right, well, really
Speaker 1: he could be on the team. I'm just looking for
Speaker 1: a starter. But I'm saying, okay, so Tyrone Crawford's a starter. Three,
Speaker 1: you have Irving in the mix, McLean in the mix,
Speaker 1: and you have an ir maybe nice maybe Hayden in
Speaker 1: the mix. All of these things back up at the one.
Speaker 1: All of these things don't deter you from wanting a
Speaker 1: defensive tackle as high as thirty four. See that's why
Speaker 1: I think thirty if that's why I think thirty four
Speaker 1: is gonna be an interesting pick. See if they were.
Speaker 1: If we're killing off a twelve and four year and
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are picking twenty five and we're talking about
Speaker 1: having the twenty fifth pick in the second round, then
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are gonna be more okay. Well,
Speaker 1: like I feel like a lot of people might not
Speaker 1: be okay with that. At thirty four, it's almost the
Speaker 1: first round pick. But let's let's thot some other names. Then, right.
Speaker 1: Let's guys who weren't here this week, like Kenny Clark
Speaker 1: from UCLA. Here you go. Is there a guy that
Speaker 1: you hope falls to you in the third round? That
Speaker 1: might be that type of guy. See, that's where I
Speaker 1: think that two me defensive tackles are gonna be hot though.
Speaker 1: They're gonna, they're gonna and you're gonna sta. We got
Speaker 1: them all stacked up in there like ourselves to say,
Speaker 1: the club sandwich. Somebody made a really good point on Twitter.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I don't remember Billing even talk about Bill.
Speaker 1: With the amount of dudes here like where I mean,
Speaker 1: there's a realistic shot you could get some pretty good
Speaker 1: value at this position in the third round. This well,
Speaker 1: this may be just like running back last year, where
Speaker 1: if you don't take the guy a defensive tackle with
Speaker 1: thirty four, you're not gonna get your chance to get
Speaker 1: a guy that you like in the third round. See, Okay,
Speaker 1: let me ask you this. That's a good point. Let
Speaker 1: me ask you this question, though. If we have eighteen
Speaker 1: names on our board in the first round, eighteen names,
Speaker 1: and we get the thirty four one of them is
Speaker 1: gonna be there, what position do you think the last
Speaker 1: player is gonna be you know that last guy left,
Speaker 1: the last guy left, because we took Jason Witton in
Speaker 1: two thousand and three. He was our last player. His
Speaker 1: grad was a one to one nine, which made him
Speaker 1: at the bottom of the first round, and we took
Speaker 1: him a third. He was the last player that we
Speaker 1: had on the board in the first round. What position,
Speaker 1: because that could tell you what direction you're gonna go,
Speaker 1: and could it be one of these one of these
Speaker 1: one technique? I think it is that because of just
Speaker 1: how many of them that there are. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: just there's gonna be a bunch of them. I've I've
Speaker 1: got get at my board right now, I've got four
Speaker 1: and then I mean i've got I'm lay them as
Speaker 1: DT's not one in three. I haven't separated him, but
Speaker 1: I've got four right there off the top. And then
Speaker 1: you know, who knows who you'll bump up into that
Speaker 1: as we keep going. What position do you think could
Speaker 1: it be? You know what position? I don't think anybody
Speaker 1: that I have in here as a one will be
Speaker 1: in the second round. Um well, just you know, just
Speaker 1: just love you guys. What position though? What position do
Speaker 1: you think could be a could be a Could it
Speaker 1: be a quarterback? Could one of those quarterbacks slide? Sure
Speaker 1: could be. It could be my guy. It could be
Speaker 1: my guy from Lynch. It could be my guy Lynch.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't. I don't think he I don't
Speaker 1: think he is. But you know, I'll be honest, I
Speaker 1: think there's a snowballs chance in hell that one of
Speaker 1: the three, the Big three is there at thirty four. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I don't see Carson Wentz as a top ten pick,
Speaker 1: but I don't see him lasting that long. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm just see That's what I'm saying. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: figure out what the what's the best position going to
Speaker 1: be at thirty four. It may be defensive tackle. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know there's that's there's up the corners we like,
Speaker 1: but I think we like him. Morris sort of third
Speaker 1: round guys, the Howard Kidd from Baylor, Jackson from Houston,
Speaker 1: A couple of guys that we're out here, uh, second
Speaker 1: round because I'm looking at defensive tackles and we're talking Billings,
Speaker 1: We're talking drawn, Jaren Reid, Yeah, Buckner, if mel Austin Johnson,
Speaker 1: Austin Johnson, a Shawn Robinson, Kenny Clark, like that's that's
Speaker 1: five or it sounds like that that that might be
Speaker 1: the direction that their board gets pointed to. It's like, okay,
Speaker 1: as it starts to as all those names start coming off,
Speaker 1: and now you've you've wiped out thirty one names. You've
Speaker 1: taken thirty one names off that board now or actually
Speaker 1: thirty well you're gonna pick it thirty four, so you
Speaker 1: take it thirty three names off that board. It might
Speaker 1: that defensive tackle group might be the one that's lined
Speaker 1: up said, okay, let's go grab one of those guys.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not being narrow minded at all here,
Speaker 1: but at thirty four, I am thinking about I've kind
Speaker 1: of looked at three positions that I think you're gonna
Speaker 1: get the best value, best type of player in that area,
Speaker 1: and defensive tackles one of them, and I think wide
Speaker 1: receiver and running back. Okay, there you go the running
Speaker 1: back because we haven't figured out a second round running
Speaker 1: back yet. Yeah. Well, depending on what you like with
Speaker 1: the alb and i'd ask you that I'm not on
Speaker 1: the Alabama train. For I'm not on the Alabama train.
Speaker 1: I got the wrong group of people sitting here, if
Speaker 1: you want to like the Alabama ram, I'm meant to
Speaker 1: ask you because know and we've talked about it, but
Speaker 1: I mean, Elliot's here and then you just kind of
Speaker 1: have this cluster you do. And that's what we got
Speaker 1: to figure it out. Did our boy did our boy
Speaker 1: from Tech maybe play his way? I've got a two
Speaker 1: on Dixon. There you go. That's what I'm asking. See,
Speaker 1: I don't like Booker more than him from you talk.
Speaker 1: That's I'm saying. Booker's another guy too. We got to
Speaker 1: find out about his medicals and if his knee's okay,
Speaker 1: I'm not running back. Group is going to be really
Speaker 1: deep again because you're still talking about Dixon too. You
Speaker 1: gotta watch that well. And I don't like him at
Speaker 1: thirty four though I don't know. That's part of the
Speaker 1: problem though, is that like I put him in the
Speaker 1: second round and then you talk about thirty four and
Speaker 1: you're like, I don't know thirty four and if well, hey,
Speaker 1: you put him in the second round, that's board. Now
Speaker 1: he ain't gonna be there at sixty nine. It's no,
Speaker 1: you're right about that. That's see. It's not window dressing though.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's window dressing. It wouldn't take him
Speaker 1: at thirty four. You talked about him as a second
Speaker 1: round guy. Sixty was a second round pick last year.
Speaker 1: I feel a hell of a lot better about it
Speaker 1: there than I do it. I know what he's saying
Speaker 1: because I do the same thing, Like I put a
Speaker 1: bunch of guys in the second round. Then it's like,
Speaker 1: would you take him at thirty four? And I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: thirty four is kind of high thirty round. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it doesn't feel like it really. Second quick quick question
Speaker 1: for everybody here in the panel. Dave Hellman, Okay, Braxton
Speaker 1: Miller or Jaren Reid thirty four? Oh Man, thirty four? Uh?
Speaker 1: Thirty four? Thirty four read? I mean you're talking about
Speaker 1: probably a starter, Yeah, Katie, Jaron Reid, I'm gonna acknowledge
Speaker 1: the possibility that we all look really, really foolish by
Speaker 1: doing it. Jaron Reid, I think you can. I think
Speaker 1: I think Jaron Reid. I think the board is going
Speaker 1: to point to Jaron Reid or one of those defensive tackles.
Speaker 1: But letting Andrew Billings make it to thirty four, that
Speaker 1: would be fun. Let's do that that'd be great. Come on,
Speaker 1: let's do that? Would it just positive? Come on? NFL
Speaker 1: Andrew Billings look at the games when he had the
Speaker 1: high struggling in those games. Well, you know, like you
Speaker 1: didn't think that Randy Gregory would be there at sixty,
Speaker 1: and you didn't think that Lyle Collins wouldn't get drafted
Speaker 1: its fair Shack Lawson at thirty four. I am intrigued.
Speaker 1: I am intrigued by that though, And I'm I think
Speaker 1: it's fascinating the way that people can And I'm not
Speaker 1: accusing you of this, but like tunnel vision, you know, like,
Speaker 1: is Braxton Miller really thirty four caliber? Well, that's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. He play his way into that Kent pick.
Speaker 1: He's a potential pick, all right, He's not. He hasn't
Speaker 1: been out here being a polished, awesome wide receiver. He's
Speaker 1: been glimpses of fantastic athleticism. I kind of think. I
Speaker 1: kind of think like people came into this week like, well,
Speaker 1: who's who is this guy? And now it's he's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: he's pretty impressive. But I worry that you're like overreacting
Speaker 1: like this guy's a first round Some people will take
Speaker 1: him around thirty four, whether it's before round. See, I
Speaker 1: don't want to be the guy that's what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: Because if you turn around and say, Okay, he's gonna
Speaker 1: wait till the middle of the second round, wait till
Speaker 1: he's not gonna be there. See, you're gonna have to
Speaker 1: to me that one's gonna have to be maybe, and
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna call to reach, but you're gonna have
Speaker 1: to hit that one early. That's not one of me.
Speaker 1: One of those who get that gets back around too,
Speaker 1: same thing I just said. And maybe it doesn't, but
Speaker 1: I feel better about it at sixty than thirty four.
Speaker 1: Such a high. How would you stack him up, Brian,
Speaker 1: with guys like Boyd and Richard Higgins and Duckson and
Speaker 1: Coleman and those guys. And Will Filler's a guy you like? Right? Yeah? Like,
Speaker 1: how does he stack up with those guys? See, I
Speaker 1: would to me, I think that when you talk, Boyd
Speaker 1: is a guy. I mean, that's all those are all
Speaker 1: like second round names to me, right, So I mean,
Speaker 1: and and you know I don't. I was proud of
Speaker 1: you guys for taking read because I had him down
Speaker 1: in the bottom of those I'm scout, scout dad, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm like the I had him down in the bottom
Speaker 1: of the second round there, Braxton, Yeah, I got him
Speaker 1: right there in the middle of that big girl. See.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying though to me. And if one
Speaker 1: of you would have went, you know, I can understand
Speaker 1: it though, because you're you're you're looking at that. You're
Speaker 1: looking at the potential of the player, right, And I
Speaker 1: don't want scouts look at the player and they go,
Speaker 1: I want to speed athletic. Kavana just said something I
Speaker 1: really liked, And honest, if it's sixty, I like drafting
Speaker 1: a guy at sixty because of potential. If I'm trafting
Speaker 1: him thirty fourth or for that matter, fourth, I want him.
Speaker 1: I want it now. But aren't you pretty convinced now
Speaker 1: that he can win some Yes, exactly, yes he can't.
Speaker 1: This is why you try to put him look really
Speaker 1: dumb to him over Tyler Boyd now because I am
Speaker 1: convinced that he can win all the time I think
Speaker 1: he can. Well, here's another thing, Braxton Miller had doesn't
Speaker 1: have a history of being durable. That that's very real thing.
Speaker 1: That's fair real thing to roll mcclean's on Ir Brexton.
Speaker 1: Miller wasn't wasn't dable practice today. He wasn't durable today.
Speaker 1: Point I saw Jim Mauer walking with him. I don't
Speaker 1: want to see that very much. You don't. I don't
Speaker 1: want to see Jim Marrow his arm around him. That's
Speaker 1: wrong with you, little number one. Jim Ouer being in
Speaker 1: the SHOT's just not good for anymore. Take tread Will
Speaker 1: at four. You don't have to worry about slash second round.
Speaker 1: Let's do it. You were all over that and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden you just dumped him. I got no
Speaker 1: problem with you, said, tread Will, you opened the door.
Speaker 1: Just who did that? Treadmiller spens just to night treadble
Speaker 1: Er Spence was an unfair question. It's harder going, Hey,
Speaker 1: that's sad, and we'll let you know a little bit. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna take a little break and then we're gonna
Speaker 1: finish up there. That great discussion, guys, I appreciate that.
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Speaker 1: to get a couple more of these players. We've talked
Speaker 1: about a bunch of guys, but I just want to
Speaker 1: make sure we get a couple more before we wind
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Speaker 1: Valley Ranch at eleven am. I want to thank Katie
Speaker 1: and Jeff are showing up today and helping us out.
Speaker 1: But before we close this thing out, I want to
Speaker 1: continue my little game. And I was playing with you
Speaker 1: guys about guys that might have helped, might have hurt.
Speaker 1: Give me just an opinion on them, about what you
Speaker 1: think you saw or what you might might have some
Speaker 1: ideas about. And a guy I want to get into
Speaker 1: is Sheldon Day, defensive tackle from Notre Dane plays defensive
Speaker 1: end some too. Yeah, I know what the old I
Speaker 1: know what the old ball coach down there thinks. I
Speaker 1: watched him Marinelli. Yeah it was all over that guy
Speaker 1: in a good way, not in like a mean way.
Speaker 1: Him playing defensive end. Yeah, he's got him playing in
Speaker 1: some defensive tackle. You know. My issue is that I
Speaker 1: was thinking, Okay, maybe he's a little too light. Now
Speaker 1: we know he's he's not even six one. So there's
Speaker 1: one thing. We had him at like two eighty five,
Speaker 1: wait him at two eighty five before we did need
Speaker 1: to find the way in. But so my problem is
Speaker 1: is he too liked to play the one tech. Sure enough,
Speaker 1: he goes out there, lines up at the one tech
Speaker 1: and did something that we saw a little bit on
Speaker 1: his college tape. But it was very prevalent this week
Speaker 1: in practice, especially in yesterday's practice, timing the snap and
Speaker 1: bursting to the inside and winning. Yeah, and that's and
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people are kind of like, well,
Speaker 1: he's gonna get killed, And he might be when he
Speaker 1: get when some when they get their hands on him
Speaker 1: and they're able to push him a little bit. Yes,
Speaker 1: he doesn't hold up very well, but he gets lower
Speaker 1: than everyone, and he's quicker than he's telling him after
Speaker 1: watching after watching tape, and I'm nicer to people on
Speaker 1: giving grades. Oh yeah, after watching tape, I no doubt
Speaker 1: I had a fourth round grade on him. Okay, here,
Speaker 1: I want to hear what having you guys fight five?
Speaker 1: I bumped him up to day two. Well six, Okay,
Speaker 1: he's six zero zero six, which makes him six one basically. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's he's he's at least he's over six foot tall.
Speaker 1: He's two hundred and eighty six pound. There, Jeff Capitall.
Speaker 1: I thought he had a good week out here. I
Speaker 1: thought today was his best day because watching him play
Speaker 1: at the defensive end spot, I saw him with that
Speaker 1: initial quickness and with his ability to use his hands
Speaker 1: to keep people off of him and get back into
Speaker 1: the pocket. So I saw that from Sheldon day today.
Speaker 1: Still my problem is comparing it to the tape because
Speaker 1: on the tape, like what I what I wrote mostly
Speaker 1: is that he's not going to win at the point
Speaker 1: of attack, and he's too easy to move, and he
Speaker 1: doesn't get enough of a pass rush to make up
Speaker 1: for that. In my estimation when we finished watching him.
Speaker 1: You don't want to know the number the round I
Speaker 1: put on him, but yeah, I moved him up one
Speaker 1: based on watching him, and I think if you picked
Speaker 1: him in the fifth round, I can get with you, okay,
Speaker 1: But in terms of just a guy that do you
Speaker 1: think this guy is going to go out there at
Speaker 1: one of your defensive tackle spots and hold up over
Speaker 1: the course of an NFL game. I don't think he
Speaker 1: will the end. The stuff at end intrigues me. This
Speaker 1: is not a poor man j Aaron Donald. No no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you just talked about. But that's what's that's what the
Speaker 1: comparison will be. Yeah, Aaron Donald lived in the backfield
Speaker 1: when we went into last year's draft, and you even
Speaker 1: looked at that he lives in the lives and his
Speaker 1: numbers and his tape told you that that's where Aaron
Speaker 1: Donald resides. When the ball is snapped, he lives back there.
Speaker 1: It's where he gets all the time. Sheldon Day is
Speaker 1: just washed out of the play way too much for me.
Speaker 1: I'm imagining this and we talk about this all the
Speaker 1: time from your days as a scout, like Will and
Speaker 1: the scouts are in there, You're at thirty four, You
Speaker 1: got these one texts you can and Rod Marinelli's like,
Speaker 1: we don't need that, Like we can get Sheldon Day
Speaker 1: in the fourth round. I worked with him and mobile
Speaker 1: a good solid, strong pass, Russian, relentless, violent, And the
Speaker 1: scouts are just like, what are you doing now? What's
Speaker 1: wrong with Sheldon Day in the fourth round? See, I
Speaker 1: think everybody's right. I think Sheldon Day has to win
Speaker 1: on this first move. If Sheldon Dada went on his
Speaker 1: first move, he is no good to you. And if
Speaker 1: he gets caught rushing you down the middle, he is toast.
Speaker 1: Fourth round you're taking, you know what I want to pick?
Speaker 1: Fourth round? I think I think when you were talking
Speaker 1: about the fifth round, and so I just didn't see
Speaker 1: I mean, I saw him an explosive player, but I
Speaker 1: didn't see a guy winning all the time. And I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what's gonna happen. He deserves kudos for the
Speaker 1: motor motor. Yeah, and there's a reason why he went
Speaker 1: to Notre Dame. I will tell you this though. I
Speaker 1: guarantee Rod Marinelli and the staff will sit down and
Speaker 1: they will watch him on tape because they I wonder
Speaker 1: if they've really studied him. Okay, they've coached him, they've
Speaker 1: coached him, but I wonder if they've really studied him,
Speaker 1: like against Stanford, against USC the games that we watch
Speaker 1: were there's big linemen are hammering him. That's intriguing to me.
Speaker 1: That's intrigue. I mean, yeah, you get to coach him,
Speaker 1: you get to see what he's all about. You like him,
Speaker 1: now go back and watch him. But what wins out
Speaker 1: with the coaches, I don't know. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: he better be the tape. Better be the tape. A name,
Speaker 1: A name comes to mind right now, Ryan Russell, Uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that you know, crazier things have happened. Maybe you like
Speaker 1: the guy maybe the tape isn't impressive and it doesn't
Speaker 1: bother you. So I don't know. I want to get
Speaker 1: into another name. I'll give you here. Uh. We talked
Speaker 1: about a little bit about these quarterbacks. I'm interested what
Speaker 1: you guys think of the kid. You brought him up,
Speaker 1: Tyler Irvin from San Jose State. He got absolutely clocked
Speaker 1: out there a few times. I mean, he's a he's
Speaker 1: one ninety. I'm just saying he's on tape. He was
Speaker 1: probably one seventy five. How about that? How about that
Speaker 1: Auburn tape though, him running up inside there, I thought
Speaker 1: he was I thought he was a four net. You
Speaker 1: already used that joke telling him, yeah, that's a draft show.
Speaker 1: I can use a joke. He's tough, but he's it's
Speaker 1: real tape. No, I know he was blowing it up
Speaker 1: in there. I mean it's like San Jose was running
Speaker 1: the ball against Auburn. Fear, he has no fear. Is
Speaker 1: a guy that you consider late in the draft if
Speaker 1: you don't bring Dunbar back, Like I don't think it's
Speaker 1: a guy that you really would consider if you bring
Speaker 1: Dunbar back. Yeah, but if you don't. But he you know,
Speaker 1: the one huge question about him, aside from his size
Speaker 1: and all that is canny pass protect. Sure enough, he
Speaker 1: got a chance to pass protect today and a big
Speaker 1: and the competition drill right technically won. He technically won.
Speaker 1: Whenever one in the press box and I'm talking about
Speaker 1: Jeff and Brobs going cut him, cut him, and you
Speaker 1: tall it's Jared Morris came in and that he had
Speaker 1: it was gonna run him over, and Tyler ARV said, nah,
Speaker 1: not here. So listen, if it's third down and we
Speaker 1: got Irvan in the game, we're not here to pass pro.
Speaker 1: We are releasing. We're going somewhere. Miles killer Brew, m
Speaker 1: this is gonna take a lot. This wing me on,
Speaker 1: Miles killer Brew, you're going You're not going there already. No,
Speaker 1: he didn't move a little bit better. It did surprise
Speaker 1: me a little bit, but you're I was, you know what,
Speaker 1: this is the complete opposite of Sheldon Day for me.
Speaker 1: If I'm gonna change my mind and Shill, I didn't
Speaker 1: actually like Sheldon. I thought Killer Brew's tape was really bad.
Speaker 1: I thought I was. I was very surprised when it
Speaker 1: was Dane who came in and he was like, listen,
Speaker 1: there's guys that are he's gonna be great at the
Speaker 1: combine and the way he's built, the way he runs,
Speaker 1: and then we turned on the tape, and on the
Speaker 1: tape we're like, okay, but he's not a football player,
Speaker 1: Like he's gonna go to the combine and he's gonna
Speaker 1: run fast. He's gone, and they're gonna be like, he
Speaker 1: is a really good athlete. But watching on tape, he
Speaker 1: did not play safety. Well, he did not understand angles.
Speaker 1: There was a hesitancy to his game of caution, you know,
Speaker 1: like that. So yeah, so lose kat here. I think
Speaker 1: he's got a radio. But again he's got to go
Speaker 1: to Hey, this is your favorite thing to repeat over
Speaker 1: and over again in the world. Yeah, when you get
Speaker 1: into the late part of the draft, you're looking traits tea.
Speaker 1: If he's a super athletic, can he play a special
Speaker 1: team somebody? Right now? The problem is that somebody will
Speaker 1: take him earlier. Well, somebody's gonna take him as the
Speaker 1: football player, right and I can't be that team. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would take him as the Yes, here's a guy
Speaker 1: who has the size I want, who has the speed
Speaker 1: I want, who maybe I can turn into something somebody's
Speaker 1: gonna take him as that's our safety. It's not me
Speaker 1: that's said that'll be interesting. Okay, one more guy here
Speaker 1: before we get out of here. You brought him up.
Speaker 1: Two was Adolphus Washington. Yeah. I thought that he was
Speaker 1: one of those guys that when he lined up and
Speaker 1: it was time to penetrate, this isn't just one on one.
Speaker 1: This is one on one. This is the run game,
Speaker 1: this is the past game, the eleven on eleven Adolphins.
Speaker 1: Washington looked pretty advanced in terms of a guy who
Speaker 1: knows how to win coming off of the ball, right.
Speaker 1: You know, he could do the dip and rip, he
Speaker 1: had the arm over move, he showed a spin move.
Speaker 1: Adolphus Washington I thought was the guy that if you
Speaker 1: weren't gonna give it to Rankins as the guy who
Speaker 1: was sort of unstoppable out here, I would give it
Speaker 1: to Washington. I think Rankins is the better player because
Speaker 1: if he stopped initially, he's powerful enough, and I don't
Speaker 1: think Washington is the same sort of player in that spot.
Speaker 1: But in terms of a guy who could play the
Speaker 1: three technique that's not going to be easily washed away
Speaker 1: and can win in terms of pass rush, I thought
Speaker 1: Adolphus Washington had a good week. Yeah, I think. And
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of three techniques in this draft. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and and and the problem is where's Candi gonna go?
Speaker 1: Yeah from you know, old miss. I mean that's what
Speaker 1: I mean. He's gonna go. But you know what, though,
Speaker 1: there's some questions about him, Yeah, there are, and and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you're thinking, well, you take a
Speaker 1: guy that you know, will he be the slider? You know,
Speaker 1: we have to you have to you have to think
Speaker 1: about those things. I'm not trying to compare the guy
Speaker 1: to Aaron Donald, but I did I mean he got
Speaker 1: into the backfield this week or Washing Wash Washington? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought he did. Yeah, I think so too. I
Speaker 1: think Rankins is a better player. I think ranking to
Speaker 1: the first round player. But I think you have to
Speaker 1: le have to look at and maybe you even you
Speaker 1: think it's more with this team probably doesn't think of
Speaker 1: him though, right, because that's it. It is a three
Speaker 1: tech that can I know that they love and they
Speaker 1: value that position. But you've got a guy making nine
Speaker 1: million a year at that position. Yeah, that's another And
Speaker 1: I mean I'm not best player available. I get it,
Speaker 1: and I agree with it, but yeah, you gotta start
Speaker 1: thinking about it. It's gonna be there for years and years,
Speaker 1: which somebody brought up and completely reversing course, somebody brought
Speaker 1: up an interesting point today I thought, which is, you know,
Speaker 1: if you're taking this quarterback at four with that, with
Speaker 1: the intention that he's not gonna play consistently for even
Speaker 1: two to three years, and then you got to use
Speaker 1: that putting a lot of money into a position you're
Speaker 1: not getting used out of, especially if you pick up
Speaker 1: his option, which for a quarterback, you're talking probably fifteen
Speaker 1: million dollars. You could try it on the chief again,
Speaker 1: and you could fail miserably when your starter goes down.
Speaker 1: It's always an option. You could we could be talking
Speaker 1: about the third overall pick again next year. You could be.
Speaker 1: You could be. You could be smart and yeah, no
Speaker 1: you can't anyway, I don't. Yeah, Okay, Well that's all
Speaker 1: the time we have for tonight on the Draft show, Brian,
Speaker 1: what do you want to see at the actual game
Speaker 1: since we're still we still have that to watch? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I you know what, i I'm I'm always going to
Speaker 1: be interested in pass rushers. I'm always gonna be interested
Speaker 1: in defensive lineman. I think that this team. I'm interested
Speaker 1: too in secondary play. I want to see a couple
Speaker 1: I want to we didn't even talk about those. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to see some corners, and they competed yesterday.
Speaker 1: A big guys. Absolutely, guy, there's some guys with some
Speaker 1: range with some link to him. Murray from Minnesota kept
Speaker 1: showing absolutely, so, yeah, it's a scrappy dude. Apps. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I keep saying absolutely because you're absolutely right, specifically because
Speaker 1: of Kavanaugh. I'm gonna watch Spence like a hawk throughout
Speaker 1: this game, you know what, you know what? Yeah, you need,
Speaker 1: you need, you know what. That would be a great
Speaker 1: story for you. And at the end of the day, right,
Speaker 1: just what a monster because they're not going to block him.
Speaker 1: If they do, though, if they block him, then we
Speaker 1: need to draft a tackle and put him over the
Speaker 1: right side. The tackle moves up two or three. But
Speaker 1: I really it's been a good week for these guys.
Speaker 1: I want to see, though. I want to see some
Speaker 1: guys that maybe that didn't have Maybe the quarterback, maybe
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott does step up. Maybe Kevin Hogan's a gamer.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I didn't see it
Speaker 1: you're talking about You're talking about eight quarterbacks in an
Speaker 1: exhibition game with no blitzing and stuff. I just worry
Speaker 1: that I'm not really gonna see that much out of
Speaker 1: them that I can do it. Would you think less
Speaker 1: of Carson Wins if he kind of has a bad day,
Speaker 1: if he has a really bad day, I mean, it's
Speaker 1: not gonna ruin my opinion of him, but if he
Speaker 1: really saw Oh you guys killed this guy, killed Lynch
Speaker 1: for have a bad day against Auburn. So I told
Speaker 1: I said it earlier and I'll say it again. I'm
Speaker 1: get ready the music say it again. Shut up, now
Speaker 1: give me the player. You can have the traits. This
Speaker 1: is Kavanaugh. Either he's the best player to ever play
Speaker 1: or he's a garbage There's no in between. The golf, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's no in between with this man. How about Team
Speaker 1: Spence now a right team golf? Good? Well, the music
Speaker 1: tells it's time to go. I'm gonna just thank Kevin
Speaker 1: Turner he had to go out and do a little
Speaker 1: radio for one oh five three, and then Jeff Kavanaugh
Speaker 1: for coming and being a part of a Senior Bowl week.
Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much. For doing that. I want
Speaker 1: to also thank David Hellman for always being a part
Speaker 1: of the Draft Show. Dame Burglar out there, uh, and
Speaker 1: I want to thank Ken Garrison, our executive producer. I
Speaker 1: also want to thank ed Ka Hill for coming up
Speaker 1: with this idea and Derek Eagleton for letting us do it.
Speaker 1: We will see you next Friday. Make sure you're looking
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Speaker 1: in the draft, all your needs for the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: Will be covering it just like a game. I'll have
Speaker 1: my twelve thoughts, we'll do all those great things. So
Speaker 1: for my crew here, thanks again. Have a great weekend
Speaker 1: and we'll see you next Friday on the Draft Show.