WEBVTT - Draft Show: LIVE From Senior Bowl - Day 3 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:12.280 This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your 0:00:12.400 --> 0:00:16.000 war room for insider news and draft analysis from deep 0:00:16.040 --> 0:00:19.159 within the confines of Cowboys Headquarters at Pally Ran. The 0:00:19.280 --> 0:00:24.400 Dallas Cowboys Select by Joe and now your hosts Dane Brugler, 0:00:24.720 --> 0:00:29.680 David Hellman, and Brian brought us well. The Draft Show 0:00:29.800 --> 0:00:34.199 once again kicks off for the final night in Mobile, Alabama. 0:00:34.360 --> 0:00:38.840 And uh, I'm sad to say that is our final 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:42.400 night for the show, but uh yeah, some of us 0:00:42.400 --> 0:00:44.960 are gonna hang in here here, someoneus gonna hang in 0:00:45.000 --> 0:00:48.680 here and cover for Dallas Cowboys dot Com. And uh, 0:00:48.840 --> 0:00:52.040 those people that will covered is David Hellman from Dallas 0:00:52.080 --> 0:00:56.240 Cowboys dot Com and KK Garrison, who's the executive producer 0:00:56.240 --> 0:01:00.200 of this show, and myself will cover the game. But 0:01:00.320 --> 0:01:03.960 tonight we have a special guest. Two special guests, matter 0:01:04.000 --> 0:01:08.039 of fact, two gentlemen that have spent a lot of 0:01:08.120 --> 0:01:14.320 hours with me already working on this NFL draft studying tape. 0:01:15.040 --> 0:01:19.280 Every night we can sharing ideas, blaming each other, a 0:01:19.319 --> 0:01:23.559 lot of arguments and a lot of agreements. But tonight 0:01:23.600 --> 0:01:25.360 they're going to join us and talk a little bit 0:01:25.480 --> 0:01:27.560 about this NFL Draft and what they've seen from the 0:01:27.560 --> 0:01:30.440 Senior Bowl. Been here all week and the gentleman I'm 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:34.040 talking about is Jeff Kavanaugh from one oh five three 0:01:34.080 --> 0:01:36.959 The Fan and Kevin Turner from one oh five three 0:01:37.000 --> 0:01:39.959 The Fan, my two scouting buddies. Gentlemen, Welcome to the 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:42.759 Draft Show. Thank you. It's an on earned privilege. Enjoy 0:01:42.880 --> 0:01:44.880 watching and listening to the Draft Show and it'll be 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:46.160 fun to be a part of it now. You were 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:47.640 a part of the some of the draft shows we 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:51.320 did from the Combine last year, so your Draft show 0:01:51.400 --> 0:01:56.200 veteran kat, new experience for you here today. Yeah, first 0:01:56.240 --> 0:01:58.360 time to come to the Senior Bowl and looking forward 0:01:58.400 --> 0:02:01.000 to getting out to the Combine and and filling in 0:02:01.040 --> 0:02:04.640 for Dane for this next hour. Yea, that's a tall task. Yeah, 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:08.000 the Dane Bugler headed on home to hang out with 0:02:08.000 --> 0:02:11.640 his family and get back into all that. So h again, 0:02:11.720 --> 0:02:13.760 for the next hour, we're gonna talk. We're gonna talk 0:02:13.800 --> 0:02:17.000 about really, I'm gonna get We've had our opinions about 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:21.600 how we've seen this Senior Bowl unfold, and I'm interested 0:02:21.639 --> 0:02:25.320 to see some of the ideas that you guys had 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:27.639 it and like I like I alluded to earlier, though 0:02:27.760 --> 0:02:29.880 you guys watched the tape with me. We're about one 0:02:29.919 --> 0:02:33.720 hundred and fifteen players in goals to get to about 0:02:33.760 --> 0:02:35.560 three hundred. We got our way to go, but we 0:02:35.639 --> 0:02:38.079 got a little time. But I want to I just 0:02:38.160 --> 0:02:43.600 wanna ask you first, Jeff, your impressions though, of what 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:47.640 you saw from the players. You know what what you're 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:52.520 you're going into your expectations, where they met or there's 0:02:52.560 --> 0:02:55.440 something anything different about the Senior Bowl, And as far 0:02:55.480 --> 0:02:57.639 as with the players you've seen this week, I think 0:02:57.639 --> 0:03:01.040 it's really interesting. And I think that by the third 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:03.720 day of practice. The best part about it is I 0:03:03.760 --> 0:03:05.680 feel like a lot of the guys you see the 0:03:05.760 --> 0:03:07.760 same sort of things from over and over, and so 0:03:07.840 --> 0:03:09.480 you feel like, Okay, I've sort of got a handle 0:03:09.520 --> 0:03:11.680 on that player. You watch a guy for one day, 0:03:12.200 --> 0:03:14.520 and you know, you write down your notes for that 0:03:14.560 --> 0:03:16.240 first day, and then the second day you start to 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:18.200 write the same thing, and it's like, wait a minute, Okay, 0:03:18.600 --> 0:03:20.640 I kind of know who he is, you know, and 0:03:20.639 --> 0:03:22.400 there's a lot of those guys. There's some guys that 0:03:22.480 --> 0:03:24.560 pop up that I'm not all that familiar with yet, 0:03:25.040 --> 0:03:26.560 and then it's like, okay, now I know I gotta 0:03:26.600 --> 0:03:28.320 go watch the tape on that guy, right, But a 0:03:28.360 --> 0:03:30.680 lot of these guys, like the defensive lineman in this 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:33.200 group that we knew coming in, we're really good players. 0:03:33.200 --> 0:03:34.680 You watch him playing, it's like, yeah, that's the same 0:03:34.680 --> 0:03:37.000 guy I've always seen and it just sort of concretes 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:39.160 what you thought you knew about guys. So the live 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:41.440 view for and Katie, I'll get to you to stay here. 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:44.760 The live view for you though, helped you with the 0:03:45.160 --> 0:03:47.640 size of the player because you were talking about when 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:50.600 you first got here and standing next to Austin Johnson. 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:53.840 Oh yeah, and you're Oakman like Oakman. You look at 0:03:53.880 --> 0:03:56.560 Oakman on tape and there's things about him that you're like, man, 0:03:56.600 --> 0:03:59.640 could you please just I want to see some sort 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:01.880 of fire. You're playing next to Andrew Billings, a defensive 0:04:01.920 --> 0:04:03.840 tackle at Baylor who was going one hundred and ten 0:04:03.920 --> 0:04:05.640 miles an hour at all times. And with Sean Oakman, 0:04:05.680 --> 0:04:07.720 it's like, stands straight up, do nothing. Stands straight up, 0:04:07.720 --> 0:04:10.000 do nothing, and then he flashes for and you're like, Okay, 0:04:10.000 --> 0:04:12.120 well where is that guy? And you stand next to 0:04:12.200 --> 0:04:14.360 him and it almost makes you want to give him 0:04:14.400 --> 0:04:16.680 more opportunities just because you look at the guy and 0:04:16.680 --> 0:04:20.479 you're like, holy cow, compare him, Compare to Sean Oakman 0:04:20.640 --> 0:04:23.360 physically just standing there with him, to the other guys 0:04:23.400 --> 0:04:25.040 that are out here, and it's like, I want to 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:27.279 give you every chance in the world to be good 0:04:27.279 --> 0:04:30.200 on tape just by standing there. I think I think 0:04:30.200 --> 0:04:33.400 there's a lot to seeing guys live Carson Wentz, watching 0:04:33.480 --> 0:04:36.799 him move just you know, standing thirty feet away instead 0:04:36.839 --> 0:04:38.839 of watching him on tape, you get a real appreciation 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:41.240 for the sort of athlete you're looking at. So, yeah, 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:42.640 I think there's a I think there's a lot of 0:04:42.680 --> 0:04:47.120 advantages to being physically there with them, Yeah, Katie, Yeah, 0:04:47.120 --> 0:04:50.760 And I thought on Tuesday, for both practices, on both squads, 0:04:50.960 --> 0:04:53.360 we were down on the field on the sideline, and 0:04:53.400 --> 0:04:55.640 that was where you'd see the coaches interact with the players, 0:04:55.640 --> 0:04:58.080 and which is good to see Derek Dooley stopping down 0:04:58.080 --> 0:05:01.080 a drill to coach up, Braxton Miller singing. Lenahan just 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:03.640 talked to Wentz, seeing Marinelli get after the defensive lineman. 0:05:03.920 --> 0:05:07.120 And then on Wednesday and Thursday, the last two days, uh, 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:09.000 you you know, taught us the trick to get into 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:10.839 the press box right, really just act like you know 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:14.480 where you're supposed to be. Yeah, for the press box, 0:05:14.560 --> 0:05:16.240 it was nice and warm, and then you see the 0:05:16.240 --> 0:05:18.480 whole field and then you see a lot of things 0:05:18.520 --> 0:05:21.480 that you missed live in person on the field on Tuesday. 0:05:21.680 --> 0:05:23.520 So I got both experiences. I felt like it's a 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:26.520 pretty good week to evaluate. Again, I think Jeff was right. 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:29.520 By today, I'd kind of not worried about Kenneth Dixon 0:05:29.640 --> 0:05:32.240 so much. I'd not really worried about Braxton Miller so much. 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:34.640 Kind of got to see those guys, they started going 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:36.520 kind of looking at some names down the line, some 0:05:36.839 --> 0:05:39.000 maybe Day three type of guys. Yeah, that's why I 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:41.000 think that we're all like brought us right there. See 0:05:41.000 --> 0:05:44.640 that the Daine Bruger Special. But that's but that's where 0:05:44.680 --> 0:05:47.000 I think that to me is where the draft show. 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:49.800 And we always our motto here is we like to 0:05:49.839 --> 0:05:54.280 investigate and then uh uca educated. So that's what our 0:05:54.480 --> 0:05:56.479 what's what we like to do. And and you know, 0:05:56.680 --> 0:05:58.839 and it might not be the most popular thing because 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:02.360 everybody out there and twit the twitter verse likes to 0:06:02.360 --> 0:06:05.240 talk about Braxton Miller, talk about all the but it 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:08.960 really been scouting. It's about looking at those lower level. 0:06:09.000 --> 0:06:11.080 It's about looking at Day three guys. So you don't 0:06:11.080 --> 0:06:13.000 want to do an hour of Carson Wentz right now. Well, 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:15.840 you know there's shows that we've had here where we've 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:18.400 gone a good We've gone to good forty minutes and 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:21.200 never talked about Carson Wentz. This is the draft show 0:06:21.200 --> 0:06:25.000 for hipsters, like we'd hipster draft here. Well we're not here. 0:06:25.320 --> 0:06:27.680 Well that's and I think, Yeah, I think that's I 0:06:27.720 --> 0:06:30.520 think that's where. I think that's where this And that's 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:33.080 why I wanted to ask you the question about the expectations, 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:35.680 you know, because the fact that you have seen one 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:38.640 hundred and fifteen players already and you've you've you've got 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:41.480 an idea of how these guys play on tape. So 0:06:41.520 --> 0:06:44.200 I just wanted to know if you know, if your 0:06:44.240 --> 0:06:48.280 expectations were met on what you thought the Senior Bowl 0:06:48.320 --> 0:06:50.279 was all about. Yeah, more than met. I wish I 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:52.120 could stay for the game on Saturday, because I think 0:06:52.120 --> 0:06:53.440 that would be a lot of fun. Dice go to 0:06:53.480 --> 0:06:56.280 the super Bowl for the super Bowl. But I got 0:06:56.320 --> 0:06:58.239 a lot. I got a lot out of this, and 0:06:58.279 --> 0:07:00.520 I think it's something I want to do every year. 0:07:00.600 --> 0:07:02.680 Now you know, it's the same thing with the combine, 0:07:02.680 --> 0:07:04.599 where I'll go do that right. It was just good 0:07:04.640 --> 0:07:07.120 to be around the players and to be around the 0:07:07.640 --> 0:07:10.040 coaches and all the NFL people around it. And you know, 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:12.400 there's times at training camp when you'll see a practice 0:07:12.440 --> 0:07:13.960 going on you'll go, it's not a whole lot going 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:16.880 on here. There are times in these practices, especially the 0:07:16.880 --> 0:07:20.560 ones coached by the Cowboys staff, where it's competitive and 0:07:20.560 --> 0:07:22.360 there's a lot going on on both sides of the 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:24.720 field and you can't blink because you're gonna miss something. 0:07:24.760 --> 0:07:26.920 So you're watching. All of a sudden, you're watching a 0:07:27.040 --> 0:07:30.120 running back, for example, our little tech running back today 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:33.600 break some people down in the open Yeah, breaking breaking 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:36.440 some guys down in the open field today, And you're like, oh, hey, hey, 0:07:36.480 --> 0:07:38.200 look at that right there, right, you see that? And 0:07:38.200 --> 0:07:40.200 then you're like yeah, and then you're firing over on 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:42.679 the other side and watching a one on one pass 0:07:42.760 --> 0:07:45.880 rush drill. So yeah, that's the great thing about the practices. 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:48.000 This will, like Dane said last night, though, this is 0:07:48.000 --> 0:07:50.720 the last time that you will see these guys in pats. 0:07:50.920 --> 0:07:52.440 I mean, this is it. I mean, once they played 0:07:52.480 --> 0:07:54.960 this game. Now it's about you know, the combines and 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:57.640 the workouts, and it's gonna talk about measurables and all 0:07:57.640 --> 0:08:00.840 that stuff, but we'll focus on how the guys played, 0:08:01.040 --> 0:08:03.280 uh this week. And and I want to I want 0:08:03.280 --> 0:08:06.280 to get into a little bit of some and David 0:08:06.400 --> 0:08:09.080 as well. I want to get into some guys that 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:14.040 you thought helped themselves or hurt themselves. And again the 0:08:14.080 --> 0:08:17.320 fact that they were able to practice. You know, we 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:20.560 you you like to go after Connor Cook. I mean, 0:08:20.960 --> 0:08:23.360 he's he's a he didn't try up to compete this week. Yeah, 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:26.760 and that and that that Carson Wentz after after practice, 0:08:26.920 --> 0:08:28.720 Carson Wentz is talking to a group of guys and 0:08:28.720 --> 0:08:29.880 he's like, oh, there was no way I was going 0:08:29.920 --> 0:08:31.480 to miss this if my wrist was healed, I was 0:08:31.480 --> 0:08:33.400 coming here like I want to compete, right, And the 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:34.920 first thing that went off in my head as well, 0:08:34.960 --> 0:08:37.240 I know a guy who didn't want to Yeah, and 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:39.360 that and that's where I think we've been so mean 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:42.480 to Connor Cook. Well, but compete, but it's compe but 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:45.360 it's fair. It's fair to talk about Connor Cook when 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:48.160 you when you're trying to evaluate and and you know, 0:08:48.200 --> 0:08:50.920 when we told he was healthy, we told he was selfish. 0:08:51.120 --> 0:08:53.440 I mean, I admitted I'm selfish. I want to see 0:08:53.480 --> 0:08:55.880 everybody out there. Heck, i'd like to see him. I'd 0:08:55.920 --> 0:08:58.040 like to see the combine be just nothing but one 0:08:58.080 --> 0:09:00.920 on one drills. God, how awesome that that would be great? 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:03.360 But it's not. It's not reality. So you know, I 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:05.160 want to get in. I just I'm gonna name off 0:09:05.200 --> 0:09:07.880 a couple of guys, and I want you to tell 0:09:08.000 --> 0:09:12.280 me just your quick impression, just a quick impression of 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:14.920 what you thought about this player, and you could say, 0:09:14.960 --> 0:09:18.240 help hurt, don't know, need to learn more, just a 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:19.960 little bit of an idea. I'm just gonna name a 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:23.160 few guys. Can you tell me what you think. Brandon Allen, 0:09:23.360 --> 0:09:26.800 quarterback Arkansas. I feel like he and this is a 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:28.559 guy who haven't studied his college tape on so I 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:30.679 gotta be fair to him. But when you're doing some 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:33.360 drills seven on seven and eleven on eleven drills, and 0:09:33.440 --> 0:09:36.959 he tucked the ball, and don't throw it multiple time 0:09:37.000 --> 0:09:39.600 after time. There was three or four times yesterday, he 0:09:39.720 --> 0:09:43.040 tucked it today, same thing. Just come on, throw the ball, 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:45.040 cut it loose a little bit right. It was really 0:09:45.200 --> 0:09:47.760 disappointing to see now. To be fair again, I'm gonna 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:49.480 go back once we get to Dallas's gonna watch his 0:09:49.520 --> 0:09:52.360 film and get a real type of evaluation on him. 0:09:52.400 --> 0:09:54.440 But I was not happy with what I saw because 0:09:54.440 --> 0:09:56.440 you have to make a decision and get rid of 0:09:56.440 --> 0:09:59.160 the ball, especially when you know that everyone's watching you 0:09:59.240 --> 0:10:02.400 to throw the ball. Make those decisions down the field. Yeah, Jeff, 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:06.200 for me, I think, having not seen his tape yet either, 0:10:06.240 --> 0:10:09.000 I actually thought he helped himself, okay, because I looked 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:11.559 at I looked at the four quarterbacks on that team, 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:16.200 and that's Dak Prescott, Jake Coker, Jacoby Brissette, and Brandon Allen, 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:21.520 and he looked small compared to Yeah, he's under six two. 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:24.240 The other guys all look like they're six four or 0:10:24.320 --> 0:10:27.040 so giants out. But as far as locating the ball, 0:10:27.120 --> 0:10:30.400 I was surprised with his arm, like he probably has 0:10:30.440 --> 0:10:32.760 to do more to get it there because he's a 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:36.839 smaller guy. But I saw inconsistencies from all of them, 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:39.200 and I didn't anticipate that Brandon Allen would be a 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:42.360 guy that when compared to the whole group there, I 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:44.720 would think, man, he might be the best thrower there. 0:10:45.240 --> 0:10:47.600 Y'all correct me if I'm wrong. I spent a lot 0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:49.720 of time watching the South quarterbacks today, like I said 0:10:49.720 --> 0:10:52.840 I would, and Wins I think is the best quarterback here. 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:55.120 But I think all the South quarterbacks might be better 0:10:55.120 --> 0:11:00.520 than the other three North quarterbacks. But I am away 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:06.320 thinking that Dak. I think Driscoll has a chance. But 0:11:06.400 --> 0:11:12.079 I came away thinking that Alan Dak Brissette and who 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:15.120 am I and even Coker had a couple of moments 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:17.640 not not so much so not impressed with Kessler and 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:20.839 with Hogan, I'm definitely not I see. And I got 0:11:20.840 --> 0:11:23.640 a little bit of Twitter discussion last night with some fans, 0:11:23.679 --> 0:11:27.079 some Pack twelve fans. Hey, Hogan's a gamer. He's gonna 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:29.280 be fine, you know, and and and they're right. He's 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:31.839 won a couple of Pac twelve titles. You know that 0:11:31.920 --> 0:11:34.360 if you watch him on you watch him on the tape, 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:37.240 there's some things he does. And I just I just 0:11:37.320 --> 0:11:39.880 hope for him. I hope that everything that always Packed 0:11:39.880 --> 0:11:42.040 twelve people were talking about. And we've seen him on tape. 0:11:42.200 --> 0:11:44.199 We kind of have an idea what he is on tape, 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:45.719 But I hope he does come. I don't want to 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:48.040 see an these kids fail. But I you know, you 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:50.000 kind of have an idea. You're not gonna you're not 0:11:50.000 --> 0:11:52.439 gonna get on here and talk about something you didn't 0:11:52.480 --> 0:11:54.319 see from him. Oh, No, One, Hogan is a little 0:11:54.320 --> 0:11:56.240 guy with a limited and he's got a wind it 0:11:56.320 --> 0:11:59.360 up to throw that. That's that's fair, That's absolutely fair. 0:11:59.600 --> 0:12:03.400 Reggie Raglan. I don't think that he helped himself, although 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:05.400 I get what he was trying to do. Like I 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:09.080 think that his agent or somebody pushed to have him 0:12:09.120 --> 0:12:12.200 play outside linebacker and rushed the passer because you know 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:14.200 what he is as a mental linebacker. He's a monster. 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:16.120 He's a monster. He's a guy that's worthy of a 0:12:16.160 --> 0:12:19.080 top ten, fifteen pick whatever. If you need a mental linebacker, 0:12:19.160 --> 0:12:22.200 Reggie Ragland's your guy. But in watching him rush off 0:12:22.200 --> 0:12:24.320 of the edge, I don't think that he accomplished it much. 0:12:24.640 --> 0:12:26.560 Watching him do it at Bama with his hand in 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:29.400 the dirt, yeah he did it, okay, But watching him 0:12:29.440 --> 0:12:32.040 do that as opposed to just letting him shine and 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:33.719 line up at mental linebacker, I think he would have 0:12:33.760 --> 0:12:36.200 looked phenomenal doing this. I didn't think he looked great 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:38.120 as an edge rusher. Yeah, do you think it was 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:40.280 kind of a what do you have to lose type 0:12:40.280 --> 0:12:42.319 of thing? Though? Yeah, because we know what he is. 0:12:42.920 --> 0:12:44.760 You've here some guys who don't come to the Senior 0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:46.760 Bowl because they don't need to, Right, we've got it 0:12:46.800 --> 0:12:49.120 locked up, we know we're getting picked high. Maybe he's 0:12:49.160 --> 0:12:50.920 a guy who said the only thing that you really 0:12:50.920 --> 0:12:52.959 had to risk his injury. Well, because the only question 0:12:53.000 --> 0:12:54.320 we have about him is what am I doing with 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:56.320 him on third down? Because in the NFL? Is he 0:12:56.320 --> 0:12:58.280 gonna cover? Is he gonna put his hand in the dirt? 0:12:58.280 --> 0:13:00.160 What's he gonna do? And I think it was. I 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:02.600 think it was a calculated decision by him and his 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:05.360 people to be like, hey, let's go rush the passer, 0:13:05.559 --> 0:13:07.920 let's try and showcase that. And I don't think that 0:13:08.000 --> 0:13:10.800 it's his best thing that he does. And so when 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:12.600 you watch him one on one, you see some guys 0:13:13.360 --> 0:13:15.200 on the edge, you watch Noah Spence, you watched some 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:17.200 of these guys who put their hand in the dirt 0:13:17.240 --> 0:13:19.880 and win, And I thought he struggled to do that. 0:13:20.400 --> 0:13:22.400 Does it matter in the grand scheme of things for him? No, 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:24.840 He's still the premier mental linebacker of this class. He 0:13:24.880 --> 0:13:26.960 tried to show off pass rushing skills, and I don't 0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:28.840 think he did. Don't you know how the coaches feel 0:13:28.840 --> 0:13:31.240 about that, like whether I mean like, yeah, sure, let's 0:13:31.240 --> 0:13:33.160 give it a try, or I really like to see 0:13:33.200 --> 0:13:35.080 you play the position. But you know what I saw 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:38.440 him do that I hadn't seen it Alabama cover. Saw 0:13:38.520 --> 0:13:41.240 him do that today. That's something that I was, you know, 0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:43.040 and and what did you think about it? Because I 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:45.320 saw him trying to cover Kenyan Drake, which is really tough. 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:51.000 He couldn't really, yeah, exactly, very patient, patient and them 0:13:51.000 --> 0:13:53.080 gonna grab you and then you know, yeah, and I 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:55.480 think that that to me, though, is you know, I 0:13:55.520 --> 0:13:58.199 wanted to at least see him try because at Alabama 0:13:58.280 --> 0:14:00.320 you don't see him playing a lot of coverage. And 0:14:00.360 --> 0:14:02.480 when he does play inside, when he does plays at 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:05.199 mic linebacker, you can see him. You know, he's a guy. 0:14:05.240 --> 0:14:07.319 To me, he doesn't come off the field. I mean 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:09.880 that's the kind of impression that got. Whether he's gonna 0:14:10.040 --> 0:14:11.920 rush in the NFL, you think he can do one 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:14.640 of those things? You think, yeah, I think which one 0:14:14.679 --> 0:14:17.280 would you have him do? I would to me, because 0:14:17.280 --> 0:14:19.920 you're right about the rush, You're you're right about it. Now, 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:22.200 when he was running over backs, I was writing about 0:14:22.200 --> 0:14:24.360 that the one on one against the running backs was 0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:26.800 a mismatch. So if you want to put him inside 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:29.360 and blitz him, yeah, much better than put him on 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:31.360 the edge, you know, with the hand down. I mean, 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:34.360 he's he's okay, but when he's I think he's better 0:14:34.400 --> 0:14:37.000 as a blitzer. So but I saw some coverage though, 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:40.440 quick plug your final recap of the week for practices 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:42.680 up right now. Okay, So anybody that is curious to 0:14:43.080 --> 0:14:45.840 read more about check that out on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:48.400 Go find it, Go find it. Okay, how about this 0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:54.240 one for you guys. We go with Jaren Reid, defensive 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:58.160 tackle from Alabama. Dude's a beast. He's a beast, and 0:14:58.160 --> 0:15:00.040 he was a beast on tape. Like I don't I 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:03.120 don't think that there's room for him to really go 0:15:03.200 --> 0:15:04.960 down because I think you're gonna turn on the tape 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:06.840 and you're gonna see this guy is a one technique 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:09.320 that's really hard to move. From what I saw of him, 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:11.080 I don't know that I was impressed with him as 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:13.480 a pass rusher or anything like that, right, I think 0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:15.440 that my impression of him is going to be based 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:17.720 almost solely on game tape as opposed to what I 0:15:17.760 --> 0:15:20.280 saw it here, because to line him up one on 0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:22.840 one with an offensive lineman and say go get the quarterback, 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:25.360 I don't think that's him. So the fact that he's 0:15:25.400 --> 0:15:28.240 not going to win with quickness or immediately get to 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:30.640 the quarterback, I don't worry about it, but I didn't 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:32.360 see it. Yeah, you know there were times where he 0:15:32.360 --> 0:15:36.520 would go right after Noah Spense on those Dang it. 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:38.200 That's a tough fact of Fallow. We saw that a 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:40.760 lot with a lot of guys, though. I remember what 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:42.840 stood out was a Burbridge trying to run a cone 0:15:42.880 --> 0:15:46.280 drill right after Braxton Miller, and it's like, oh no, 0:15:46.360 --> 0:15:48.640 this is not gonna end up well for you. Every 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:51.080 single receiver on the North team daring to do anything 0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:52.600 as well as Braxton. All right, let me ask you 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:55.800 a comparison then from what you go ahead, No, Well, 0:15:56.240 --> 0:15:57.840 before we get too far away from that, I think 0:15:57.960 --> 0:16:01.760 Jeff Rays is an interesting point here, which is, let's 0:16:01.760 --> 0:16:03.240 say I'm really good. I mean, I know you've been 0:16:03.320 --> 0:16:05.240 kind of down on Austin Johnson. This is where I 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:08.760 was gonna go So if a guy's great on tape 0:16:08.760 --> 0:16:12.240 and lousy here, or not even lousy but disappointing, or 0:16:12.280 --> 0:16:14.760 if a guy is just kind of a guy. Carl 0:16:14.840 --> 0:16:17.840 Masson probably fits in this category too. Massid was infinitely 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:21.320 better out here than we did not love him on tape, 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:24.280 really liked him out here. So what matters more to you? 0:16:24.400 --> 0:16:26.200 As you go? I think I think that you gotta 0:16:26.280 --> 0:16:29.600 now the investigation part comes into play. Yeah, okay, did 0:16:29.920 --> 0:16:32.000 you gotta watch three more? Now? You got you gotta find, 0:16:32.000 --> 0:16:34.240 you gotta you know, you got twelve games of Penn 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:36.080 State in that box. And you know what if it 0:16:36.120 --> 0:16:39.320 takes you all twelve games to figure him out, go 0:16:39.400 --> 0:16:41.160 figure him out. We had to do it with Jalen Ramsey. 0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:42.840 We had to go watch three different years of tape 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:44.880 to get a handle on that. Absolutely, And to me, 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:47.360 this is where this is where I want to I 0:16:47.400 --> 0:16:50.080 want to ask a comparison because we talked about Austin 0:16:50.200 --> 0:16:54.720 Johnson and I wrote about this tonight. If you said 0:16:55.280 --> 0:16:58.040 the two at thirty four, who could you have? There's 0:16:58.080 --> 0:16:59.960 this side of me that all of a sudden, I'm thinking, 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:03.120 now I have more questions about Austin Johnson. Compared him 0:17:03.120 --> 0:17:06.960 to who well, Jar and Jared Reid. Okay, you know, okay, 0:17:06.960 --> 0:17:10.840 who have the one technique type of guys? You know, 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:13.760 because I would now I would now I didn't see 0:17:14.080 --> 0:17:17.479 Austin Johnson. See, I didn't see Austin Johnson do Austin 0:17:17.560 --> 0:17:20.600 Johnson things this week because we thought we thought he 0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:23.639 was a one technique that would also give you pass 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:26.600 rush and he did and we watched the Ohio State 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:28.520 games and stuff like that. He did that, and then 0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:30.280 we watched him out here and he wasn't able to 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:32.600 win in the pass rush drill. See this is this 0:17:32.680 --> 0:17:35.080 is where I think you have to be careful. But 0:17:35.280 --> 0:17:37.520 but now all of a sudden, guys are going back 0:17:37.560 --> 0:17:40.199 and they're saying, where was that guy? Where was the 0:17:40.240 --> 0:17:43.440 guy that was playing against Michigan State in Ohio State 0:17:43.480 --> 0:17:46.480 and those games, those big ten games he was getting 0:17:46.480 --> 0:17:48.240 pushed and working down the line and getting in the 0:17:48.240 --> 0:17:50.320 battfield and get what you're saying. But I just feel 0:17:50.400 --> 0:17:52.320 like this is, oh, I'm not I'm not throwing him 0:17:52.320 --> 0:17:55.920 to the three three practices two weeks after his season's over, 0:17:56.320 --> 0:17:58.000 but a bunch of guys he doesn't know. But we 0:17:58.040 --> 0:18:01.000 didn't see that we didn't see the pass rushing that 0:18:01.080 --> 0:18:03.840 we had on tape. That's the only that's that's what 0:18:03.960 --> 0:18:07.520 it exists on tape. It exists on tape. It it does, 0:18:07.600 --> 0:18:10.600 And you're right, and that's more important. It is more important. 0:18:10.640 --> 0:18:13.480 But I'm just saying, though, if you start talking about 0:18:13.520 --> 0:18:15.680 there were times where Reid looked like a better pass 0:18:15.720 --> 0:18:18.240 rusher and on tape he didn't rush the passer, and 0:18:18.320 --> 0:18:21.760