1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:05,279 Speaker 1: Alexandra Phillips is here and Alexandra Phillips is a British politician. 2 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: She was elected as a Brexit Party Member of the 3 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: European Parliament for the Southeast England constituency a couple of 4 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 1: months ago. We're so thrilled to have you here. It's 5 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: a pleasure to be here. So bring us up to speed. 6 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: What's the way that's with regards to Brexit. Well, what's 7 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:23,439 Speaker 1: fascinating actually is, yes, there's this that there's documents have 8 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: been submitted to court because essentially the opposition in the 9 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: UK do not believe that Boris is going to obey 10 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: the law. Because now the opposition to Brexits has pushed 11 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: forward a bill saying that he must ask for an 12 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 1: extension if no deal is reached, and they've been very 13 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:39,559 Speaker 1: concerned he wouldn't actually obey the laws. They've taken this 14 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 1: to the Scottish Court and the government has submitted their 15 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: evidence saying we are going to obey the law. And 16 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 1: yet two hours later Boris Johnson tweets it always Trump 17 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: style that we're going to leave on the thirty one 18 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: of October with or without a deal. So make of 19 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: that what you will. But We're really in a very 20 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: thorny situation now because a lot of the cards that 21 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: Boris Johnson could play he's now restricted from using. We've 22 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: had a Supreme Court ruling against him proroguing parliament. I 23 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 1: know it's an odd word, but basically closing down parliaments 24 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 1: for five weeks. He that's that's abnormal in in in 25 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 1: British political precedent, and the Supreme Court for the first 26 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:20,960 Speaker 1: time in British history, waded into the political sphere and 27 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 1: have said to Boris Johnson, know that MPs have to 28 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: come back. So we're actually finding this sort of more 29 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: litigious atmosphere in UK politics and those people who really 30 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: want to see Brexit reverse actually going to the extreme 31 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 1: levels of threatening to take the Prime Minister to court. Um. 32 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: So he's effectively I think he's going to have to 33 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: ask the EU for an extension, despite having said since 34 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: he became Prime Minister that he would absolutely not do that. 35 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: Do or die were his exact words. Um. But then 36 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: he's mysteriously tweeting he's not going to do that, and 37 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: word on the street, if you will, is that he's 38 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: going to go to particular other Member states in the 39 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: European Union and implore that they veto at European Council 40 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 1: level the EU granting that extension. Alexandra Phillips is here. 41 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: She's a British politician. She's visiting from across the Pond. 42 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: As they say, and we're talking about Brexit. You're very 43 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:13,079 Speaker 1: You're from the Brexit Party, so you're very pro Brexit. 44 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: What are your state of folks who say this is 45 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: gonna wreak havoc on global on the global economy, if if, if, if, 46 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:22,519 Speaker 1: if the UK goes through with this, it won't weak 47 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: havoc on the global economy. And in fact, what would 48 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: weak havoc on the British economy is remaining in the EU, 49 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: when Italian banks are skating on thin ice, when German 50 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: manufacturing is in recession, and we've already seen from two 51 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: thousand and eight two thousands and nine, the US fiscal 52 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: and economic policies aren't really particularly strong and they're not 53 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: to be trusted. I mean, we had to use our 54 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 1: own currency to bail out the Euro, and I think 55 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 1: it's very clear that the Euro remains in trouble and 56 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: that actually an independent UK is good for the UK, 57 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: and it's actually good for America too, because that's what 58 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: I want to ask you about, because there's so much 59 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 1: conversation here Alexandra Phillips, she's a bregsit party politician here 60 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 1: in the United States. That bregsit that happens would just 61 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: be an absolute nightmare, and not just for wall stream 62 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: and big business, but for small business as well. So 63 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: why why why are those people wrong? I mean, on 64 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: some level, you are, you are semi right about it 65 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:14,359 Speaker 1: being a nightmare for big business because the whole model 66 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:16,959 Speaker 1: of the EU protectionist I'd like to call it the 67 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: corporate cartel of big banks and big big business. It's 68 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: a one stop shop for thirty lobbyists and the biggest 69 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: companies and enterprises in the world to essentially sketch out 70 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: trade policy and tariff and non tariff barriers to suit 71 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 1: their businesses. So on that level, it's been a big 72 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: nightmare for small and medium sized enterprises, and it's also 73 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: been a big nightmare for global trade in terms of 74 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: the ease protectionist stands to to defend their own manufacturing 75 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: season put quite punitive tariffs on the developing world, and actually, 76 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: as a G five economy with a pivotal position in 77 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: the angler sphere. The UK is in a unique position, 78 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: I really believe, to actually change the way that global 79 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: trade has been happening, liberalize it and create bespoke trade 80 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: deals with members of the Commonwealth, with America, with Canada, 81 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: all around the world in fact, and this is something 82 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: that the EU is terrified about, having a completely different 83 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: trading model on its doorstep that would in effect undermine 84 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: the e use protectionist model and directly competes with them. 85 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: And this is no big secret, you know. You often 86 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: hear in the European Parliament from both the Brexit negotiators 87 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: and from the m EPs people saying, what we do 88 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: not want to see is a Singapore on Thames, a 89 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: UK with a very liberal trade model that in essence 90 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: will give other members state it's the idea that they 91 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: can also follow a similar route. What do you make 92 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 1: of Speaker Pelosi and what she's been saying about BREA. 93 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: You know that this has kind of upset me very much. 94 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:40,840 Speaker 1: Upset me because she's turned around and said the US 95 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:42,720 Speaker 1: and the UK should only do a free trade deal 96 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 1: if the UK respect all of the ease conditions, which 97 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: they say defends the Good Friday agreements. Now the Good 98 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 1: Friday Agreement is the peace treaty between Northern Ireland and Ireland, 99 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 1: and the chap who wrote that the former First Minister 100 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: he actually won the Nobel Peace Prize for for drafting 101 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: that peace three to between the two, has said repeatedly 102 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: that the EU demands for the UK's withdrawal actually is 103 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 1: the biggest threat to the Good Idea Agreement and leaving 104 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,919 Speaker 1: the EU and the UK pursuing independent trade policy doesn't 105 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: risk it at all. And there's already an invisible border 106 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: between the North and the South on the island of 107 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: Ireland because they have different conomies, that they have different currencies, 108 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 1: they have different excise duties, and that is easily traversed 109 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 1: with offsite smart borders, trusted traders schemes, so on and 110 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: so forth, and adding customs and you know, different customs 111 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: to that actually shouldn't be an issue whatsoever. So the 112 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: E were very cynically playing this card, and I would 113 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: even go as far as saying stoking up tensions quite 114 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 1: wilfully and cynically exploiting a sort of a healing scab 115 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: to try and lock us in a trade union with them.