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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wire to Hunt Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number eight

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Speaker 1: one Tay. In the show, we're joined by one of

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Speaker 1: the top taxidermists in Michigan, Dan Weeks, and we're grilling

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Speaker 1: him about everything that we hunters have ever want to

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Speaker 1: know from our taxidermists. All right, welcome to the Wire

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Speaker 1: to Hunt podcast, brought to you by Sick Good Gear.

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Speaker 1: And today in the show, we're discussing the topic of

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Speaker 1: taxidermy and everything that we hunters need to know about

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Speaker 1: it to ensure that we can preserve the memory of

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Speaker 1: our hunts and the animals we've killed in the best

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Speaker 1: way possible. So joining us to cover this topic is

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Speaker 1: one of the top taxidermists in Michigan, my personal taxidermist

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Speaker 1: and friend, Dan Weeks, of Nature's Pride text Dermy. But

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Speaker 1: before we get Dan the phone and dive into that

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Speaker 1: topic as we do every week, to the dismay of

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Speaker 1: some and the delight of others, we need to catch

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Speaker 1: up with my trustee co host, Dan Johnson, so Dan,

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Speaker 1: what news, what news do you bring from Iowa? Well,

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Speaker 1: I want to take a moment and talk about Syrian

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Speaker 1: refugees for a second. We're going there. It's just a

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Speaker 1: funny story. My my town is nine people, okay, And

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Speaker 1: and I don't just mean in the town. That's nine

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Speaker 1: people with my town's address, okay, And that includes the

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Speaker 1: farming communities all around it within miles. Right, So the

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Speaker 1: governor of Iowa says no Syrian refugees in the state

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Speaker 1: of Iowa. My next door neighbor slash mayor of like

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Speaker 1: this bleeding liberal right he says, he says, we will

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Speaker 1: Swisher welcomes all Syrian refugees. My town. My town is

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Speaker 1: just exploding with like what like where are you gonna

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Speaker 1: put them in your house? It's just like it is

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Speaker 1: hilarious just to listen to people, Like it's one of

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Speaker 1: those things where it's like, are the person who are

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Speaker 1: town elected did not speak for the people, if that

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Speaker 1: makes sense, not very representative of your population exactly. And

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Speaker 1: it's just it is just hilarious, like all the people

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Speaker 1: who are talking, like what are you thinking? I don't

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Speaker 1: know that. I just thought it was I thought it

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Speaker 1: was funny. So there's people like trying to find no

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Speaker 1: vacancy signs and putting them up around town. And gosh,

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't think of Central Iowa being a hotbed for

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Speaker 1: a big political debate like this, right right, it's a

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Speaker 1: it's it's funny. It's funny. But hunting. Yeah, yeah, other

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Speaker 1: other than our major political things going on in the world,

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Speaker 1: White Tails, you've been on hunting, right, what's going on you?

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Speaker 1: Last time we talked to your friend, I was gonna

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Speaker 1: jinx you. You kind of did, but I guess you know,

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Speaker 1: my season is pretty much over, Like I'm I hate

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Speaker 1: when you say that. You say that there's still a

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Speaker 1: month and a week left of the season, right, right, Hey, Mark,

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Speaker 1: how many kids do you have? I know that's your

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Speaker 1: card you're gonna play, but necessarily just that. But I've

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Speaker 1: spent a lot of time hunting, right, I mean not

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Speaker 1: a lot, but yeah, okay for a guy with two

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Speaker 1: kids and two podcasts. Well, there's the kicker. There's the kicker.

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Speaker 1: I I haven't hunted year as much as I usually do.

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Speaker 1: But we're going to skip all that, right, So historically

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Speaker 1: and all my properties once the shotgun season starts and finishes.

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Speaker 1: It's very hard to find a mature buck, and if

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Speaker 1: you do find one, he's not coming out till way

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Speaker 1: after dark. Right, And that's that's a typical story throughout

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Speaker 1: wherever you hunt. Right. So, and I think I told

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Speaker 1: you recently, I got my buddies. My buddies place fifteen

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Speaker 1: It's so thick and nasty, dear just kind of appear

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Speaker 1: out of there. Right. So, let's see this weekend Friday, Friday, Saturday,

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Speaker 1: and Sunday night I got to hunt. I didn't get

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Speaker 1: here's here's the kicker my buddy's property. There's there's a cornfield, right,

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Speaker 1: And this is like the best fifteen acre property in

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Speaker 1: the world. That sounds like, right. So this this property

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Speaker 1: my buddies fifteen acres does not butt directly up against

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Speaker 1: is I think of my buddy's property as a rectangle,

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Speaker 1: all right, And then a square to the left of

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Speaker 1: Literally it's a it's a creek bed basically, and then

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Speaker 1: I am as far as I possibly can go on

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Speaker 1: frustrating because, you know, and the good thing is I'm

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Speaker 1: in the right spot. Right have you? I know your

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Speaker 1: sounds like you're out of time, But have you thought

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Speaker 1: about trying decoy ever? Do you think that would ever

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Speaker 1: I have thought about that, but it's so thick in

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Speaker 1: uh right now. So now, what about the other properties

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Speaker 1: that do those have any late? Because I know, your

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Speaker 1: it's like, what are you gonna do? It's no brainer. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So your buddy's property, how far away is that from

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Speaker 1: your house? Uh? It's like five miles. Oh so that

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Speaker 1: do you Are you ever gonna be able to get

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Speaker 1: sneak up some week days. Uh yeah, on Wednesdays, um

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Speaker 1: get out to hunt on Wednesdays and maybe maybe on

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Speaker 1: which means not all Christmas and Thanksgiving events take place

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Speaker 1: on Christmas and Thanksgiving. So you know, you got a

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Speaker 1: gonna try to get out and I will, But it's

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Speaker 1: just one of those things where it's it just gets

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Speaker 1: you know, the deer movement becomes less, and with all

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Speaker 1: the big family stuff, it just becomes it just becomes

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Speaker 1: you know, and it's yeah, And that's how I have

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Speaker 1: it set up. I want to spend as much time

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Speaker 1: in the timber during the rut and during the absolutely

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Speaker 1: best parts of the year, knowing that I probably won't

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Speaker 1: get a I probably won't get a hunt as much

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Speaker 1: late season. Well I'm bummed for you. Man, it's all right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this isn't the first time I've ever eaten

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Speaker 1: my buck tag, and it's not over yet, but this

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Speaker 1: the last time. So I do hope. You get hope

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Speaker 1: more so me than her. When gun season starts, she

427
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,200
Speaker 1: kind of quits hunting. But the bow season is probably

428
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:13,679
Speaker 1: when we get most of our time to be in

429
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 1: the woods. So we try to get as much earlier

430
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,440
Speaker 1: in the season as we can because it does as

431
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,879
Speaker 1: busy as it gets, it's just you can't let things go.

432
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 1: So like, as far as gun season this year, I

433
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 1: think I've probably got maybe six or seven hours of

434
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,880
Speaker 1: sitting time. Um and my wife, I think she went

435
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:32,440
Speaker 1: open a day and she just went't sat up in

436
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 1: the camp or back in the woods. So it was

437
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 1: more of a relaxing thing for her. So yet know,

438
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 1: there is a downside to it when it comes to that,

439
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:43,119
Speaker 1: but the upside is there's so much more upside to

440
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,560
Speaker 1: being a tax germist and getting to see all the

441
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:48,359
Speaker 1: great bucks that are out there and talk to the

442
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 1: people and hear their stories, and so you almost feel

443
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,159
Speaker 1: like you're you're living at anyway, whether you're in the

444
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 1: tree stand or not. So it's uh, I wouldn't trade

445
00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:59,439
Speaker 1: as much as I love to hunt, I wouldn't trade

446
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,360
Speaker 1: the the part of not having h not being able

447
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:03,640
Speaker 1: to go out in the tree once in a while

448
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 1: or go out and fit uh in trade for being

449
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,119
Speaker 1: here in the shop. So yeah, that I think some

450
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,120
Speaker 1: people would have a hard time handle that that really

451
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,440
Speaker 1: like to hunt. But you know, I still think we

452
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 1: get out as much as um probably more than people

453
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,920
Speaker 1: would think. Has anybody ever brought in a deer that

454
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 1: you were hunting? Oh yes, oh yes, that's a hard one.

455
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,639
Speaker 1: And then and usually when they do, I get it

456
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 1: mounted right away and then I don't call them for

457
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 1: a while. That way I can depend like it's mine

458
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:37,119
Speaker 1: on the wall, No life had that happened. It's uh,

459
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,399
Speaker 1: it's she's a neighbor, you know. And actually that's a

460
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 1: to me. That's a good thing too, because then you

461
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 1: know where the animal went and you get to see

462
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 1: it up close and personal, and so it's uh, you know,

463
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 1: I think the first time that happened, it was it

464
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 1: was like a little bit devastating, but at the same

465
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 1: time you get used to it, you know what I mean,

466
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 1: And and you see it with everybody else too. There

467
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 1: was a guy in here yesterday and I know Mark

468
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 1: Free hill Dale County where he lives and hunts, and

469
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 1: I don't take a lot of Hillsdale County bucks in,

470
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 1: but I had one unique, very nice rack sitting there

471
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 1: on the shelf, and a guy brought in a buck

472
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,120
Speaker 1: for his girl or his wife, and he started telling

473
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 1: me about this deer that he was obsessed with in

474
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 1: it's really trying hard to get a shot at and

475
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 1: seen him all summer and all fall, and he said

476
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 1: he disappeared at the end of October and he's getting

477
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:26,880
Speaker 1: a picture out and he turned around and the rack

478
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 1: is sitting late behind him on my shelf, and he

479
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 1: just about the look on his face. It was it's

480
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,639
Speaker 1: kind of sad to see how how devastated he was.

481
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 1: And I mean with the chances of you know, the

482
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,119
Speaker 1: one rack I had from Hillsville, or maybe I've got

483
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,399
Speaker 1: a half a dozen from Hillsdale County and happened to

484
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 1: be the deer that he was kind of obsessed with

485
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 1: training to get a crack app so you you see it.

486
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:53,159
Speaker 1: You see that got quite often. Actually, I got a

487
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 1: buddy of mine that was out hunting in Iowa with

488
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 1: me a few weeks ago, and he had another front

489
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,440
Speaker 1: of his was hunting the same property. He was so

490
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 1: um my buddy had killed a buck, but he was

491
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 1: still trying to shoot to deal the next day and

492
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: he was out there with his other friend on this

493
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 1: property and that friend had this big eight point that

494
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:09,919
Speaker 1: he'd been after all year, you know, had tons of

495
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 1: pictures of him and was kind of obsessing about and

496
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 1: was really excited again an opportunity, and he just checked

497
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 1: cameras and saw you know that he was on there

498
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 1: recently again. So like him and court my buddy Corey

499
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 1: were walking up to uh, back to the trucks and

500
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 1: they're talking about, you know, where do you fannish to

501
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,199
Speaker 1: sit to hunt this buck? You know, I wonder if

502
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:26,920
Speaker 1: he's gonna come through to night, all this kind of stuff.

503
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 1: And as they're doing that, a pickup truck drives by

504
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,679
Speaker 1: with another hunter that hunts the same property. Down a

505
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 1: section or two from them and they get to talking

506
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 1: and he's like, oh, yeah, I shot a nice buck

507
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:41,919
Speaker 1: yesterday morning, and like, oh, let's see the pictures, and boom,

508
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 1: it's the one buck that that guy and the friend

509
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 1: had been in processing about two So it's just, man,

510
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 1: I think it's tough to handle. I know from what

511
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 1: I hear. You know, that was a bummer for him,

512
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 1: of course. So for sure, I've seen it a lot.

513
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 1: It's a it's hard to deal with that. You get

514
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 1: such a personal connection with these animals, you know what

515
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 1: I mean. Like you get pictures of them and you

516
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 1: name them, and you know, you just you try to

517
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 1: outthink them. And then somebody and a lot of times

518
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 1: it's not always, but you see a lot of times

519
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: it ends up being somebody who maybe hunts one day

520
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 1: a year, you know, and they they have two acres

521
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: and they go out and sit down and and boom,

522
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: there's there's this buck, you know, And that's just kind

523
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:20,919
Speaker 1: of the way it goes. It's it's part of what

524
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 1: you I guess we gotta get used to harder, to

525
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: get used to it as beer hunters, you know. And

526
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 1: I get to see it more in here because a

527
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,479
Speaker 1: lot of people will call me and say, hey, you know,

528
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: there's this is where I hunt. If you had anything

529
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 1: described like this take brought in you know, and it

530
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: it kind of makes it relieves them a little bit

531
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 1: to know there I'm not because there if they don't

532
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 1: know about it, they're out still hunting this animal and

533
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 1: I can't figure out where he's at, and so, uh,

534
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 1: that's one of the things we just see quite often. Actually, Yeah,

535
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,679
Speaker 1: that's one of the kind of love hate things of

536
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 1: trail cameras that I think trail cameras have really the

537
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: have really brought this to a forefront, the fact that

538
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 1: you can get to know these dear so much by

539
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,479
Speaker 1: pictures and you kind of feel like it's quote unquote

540
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 1: your dear at least the dear year hunting. Um. It

541
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: becomes really exciting but also especially devastating when it ends

542
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: up getting shot too if it's not you so so

543
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 1: so Dan. Most of what I want to talk about

544
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,679
Speaker 1: today is related to things that hunters need to be

545
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 1: thinking about when it comes to taxidermy and what they

546
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 1: need to be doing to make sure they get you know,

547
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 1: the animal from the field to the taxidermist, write and

548
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff like that. But before that, I

549
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: want to ask one question for maybe a smaller segment

550
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: of our audience, but for those people that are actually

551
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 1: interested in doing what you do. You know, as we

552
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,239
Speaker 1: just talked about some of the benefits of being a

553
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: taxidermist and stuff like that, you know, for someone who

554
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: wants to be a taxidermist someday real quick, you know,

555
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 1: how how can someone go about getting into that. I

556
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: was fortunate because I had graduated from college and I

557
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: was big into trapping, and I was trapping fox on

558
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 1: a farmer's property, and he was a tax dermist, and

559
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: he was to the point where he was still doing

560
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: a little bit, but he was kind of looking for

561
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: someone to mentor and to bring in, and he went

562
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: he wanted to learn a little bit about trapping. So

563
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: I got fortunate he come out on the trap line

564
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: with me and he invited me to come in and

565
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: learn a little bit about taxidermy, and it just, you know,

566
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: just boomed from there. So I was fortunate in that way,

567
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: and that can a lot of times that does happen.

568
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: Somebody gets somebody to mentor them. Um, But more often

569
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: than not, I think nowadays, people that are really seriously interested,

570
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: we'll take courses. They have courses that they offer in

571
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: different states. I know, Pennsylvania, Iowa, Wisconsin all have courses,

572
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: even in Michigan, and they take that and then they

573
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: have to get specimens of their own and start working

574
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: on and trying to get better. And you can watch

575
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: YouTube videos and you can you went back in the day,

576
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 1: it was you know, VHS, cassette you could rent and

577
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: watch and DVDs. But I think a lot of the

578
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: people that are real serious about it will take the classes.

579
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: And I think and I've had people, you know, that

580
00:29:58,240 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 1: have come to me and want me to try and teach.

581
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: And we're at the point now where we're so busy

582
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 1: trying to get the work done ourselves. It's hard. I've

583
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 1: had interns from colleges come in and work with us,

584
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: and you know, it's it's it's they're great people, and

585
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: you know, we're learning with them as much as they're

586
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: learning from us. But it's really tough for a lot

587
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 1: of tax journists that are busy, that are busy trying

588
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: to get the work done and make a living at it.

589
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 1: So it's hard to tell people know, you know, But

590
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: like I, like I said, I got lucky had. It

591
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 1: was an older guy that uh, you know, he did

592
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: it because you know it was in love with what

593
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: he did, and he just kind of got a little

594
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 1: bit tired, you know, and then he started doing it

595
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: big again with me. And so that's that's how work,

596
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,719
Speaker 1: you know. But you still have to um, you have

597
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 1: to be so diligent and in getting your own specimens

598
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: and you're gonna, you know, you're gonna do some stuff

599
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: that doesn't look so great, and that's how you get

600
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: better and do start doing work for friends. And you

601
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: gotta like the you know, the getting dirty and getting

602
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: bloody and long hours. You know, you say that about

603
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: long I said about long hours, and it's not always

604
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: any business. You've got to put a lot of time

605
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: and self discipline. But like you were asking about me

606
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: beer hunting, and it's we're out here till eleven o'clock

607
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: at night almost every single night working and we're working

608
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: Saturdays and Sundays this time of year, you know, So

609
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: you you give up things to to to be able

610
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: to do the things you want. So you have the

611
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: classes I think are probably the biggest way for someone

612
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: to get started. Mark. That's that's good to know, I know,

613
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: there's I get occasional emails from people, you know, curious

614
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: about that type of thing. So that's that's good that

615
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: you know, there are some resources out there for people interested,

616
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: so yes, and if they look online. I know there's

617
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,959
Speaker 1: three or four real big h schools that offer it.

618
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: And it doesn't always you know, the more money you pay,

619
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: the better um education you're gonna get it. I know

620
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: people that have paid a lot of money and never

621
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: you know, to take the classes and not really um

622
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: come out of it being able to do much with

623
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: text journey. So you still got to do a lot

624
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: on your own, you know, so all the times on

625
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: how much they want to get into it. So here's

626
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: a here's sometimes kind of thinking about as you say this,

627
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 1: you know, there's there's a class for sounds like there's

628
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: some classes to learn about taxidermy and stuff and so us.

629
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: You know, I imagine there's some basic processes that you

630
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: go through and kind of one, two, three, four basic

631
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: steps you go through. Is taxidermy like an assembly line

632
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 1: type thing or is it an art you know, is

633
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: it something that require some innate talent artistry to it

634
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: or is it something that you can basically follow a

635
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: step by step instructure and anyone can do it. I

636
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: think both, um I do. I mean when you when

637
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: you're doing a lot of animals, when you're you know,

638
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: doing a lot of should amounts for a lot of

639
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: life size, you've got a kind of treat it, um

640
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: like the assembly line thing. Meaning instead of just doing

641
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: a deer one day and then a fish the next

642
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 1: day and uh, you know, a kudu the next day. UM.

643
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: For me to be efficient, I try to do deer

644
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: certain times of the year and then I'll take a

645
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: break and maybe do a once of asking animals, you

646
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,040
Speaker 1: know what you mean. So it's it's you kind on

647
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: a switch over there, like different gears. Even with Emily

648
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: with the turkeys show show Quitton just she likes to

649
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: set aside a certain two or three months just to

650
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: do turkeys and and and something like that. I mean,

651
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: it really does take an artistic flare. I think you

652
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: can mount an animal and have it presentable. But if

653
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: you don't have that artistic um extra flare or artistic

654
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: uh I it's you know, there's a big difference. It

655
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: really is. Especially as you do you do more and

656
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: more and get better and better at it, so you know,

657
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: you can see the difference to you can see people

658
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: who just do it just to get a few done

659
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: every and the people who really have the artistic flare.

660
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 1: And another thing with like tax gre I mean, you

661
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 1: can never think you're as good as you can get

662
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: and you never think that you're the best, because there's

663
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: always someone who has different ideas and different ways of

664
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: doing things. So you always for us, we always we

665
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 1: go to the shows. We always try to get better

666
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 1: and and have an open mind a different ways of

667
00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: you know, whether it's airbrushing a deer or putting together

668
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: or a turkey or any of that. You know, there's

669
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: always new things and in new ways and for the industry,

670
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: so which you know at this day and age were

671
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 1: fortunate because and thirty years ago you didn't have many resources.

672
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: Just you know, there's magazines now that are dedicated just

673
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: to taxidermy art um so any likely building bases. You've

674
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 1: seen some of the stuff we do in here with

675
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 1: building bases, and that's that's where you really start getting

676
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: to put together your your ideas and your say activity

677
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 1: and and it's nice to have more than one person

678
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 1: die for that too, you know, those two of us

679
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 1: work together and we can take constructive criticism and usually

680
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: we can take destructive criticism amongst each other, you know,

681
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: so that part helps. Yeah, that's cool. I the art

682
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: side of taxidermy. He's always intrigued me. And maybe it's

683
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 1: what I appreciate the most when you can, you know,

684
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 1: kind of like you said, I think you can tell

685
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:57,439
Speaker 1: when a piece of tax dermy is done by someone

686
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,399
Speaker 1: who really pays attention to the details and the things

687
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,760
Speaker 1: and taking it to the next level, versus the person

688
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 1: who just kind of ships him out the door. And um,

689
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: you know, personally, I've always found and and really why

690
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 1: you know, one of the reasons I keep working with

691
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,280
Speaker 1: you is because I've always seen that attention to detail,

692
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: the little things, the little tiny attention to detail just

693
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 1: makes the that really special thing so much more special.

694
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 1: And you know, these mounts, these animals represent, you know,

695
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: such such passionate memories and experiences and things like that

696
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: that it's it's so nice to be able to see

697
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: it represented so lifelike and with such a such attention

698
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: to detail and care put into it. That and I

699
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 1: appreciate that kind of thing. Um, while we're on while

700
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 1: we're talking about this, once I I was, I'm not

701
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 1: sure if you know Joe Meter or not. He's he

702
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: lives close to me, and um, I was talking with

703
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: him a couple of years back and he had he

704
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: took a flashlight out right and he was he was

705
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 1: pointing it in all like the nose and on the

706
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 1: eyes and showing me. Because when I look at it

707
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 1: from from a wall, I look at amount and I go, WHOA,

708
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 1: that's really good or that looks cool, or that looks cool.

709
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: But I don't know what the specific details are what

710
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: makes a tax it or miss as far as details

711
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: are concerned, average or great for details, I think like

712
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: like you're talking about looking into the nose and looking

713
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 1: at the septum and seeing the right coloration and the

714
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 1: right shape, and a lot of hunters would would not

715
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 1: appreciate that, but like for us, we try. I mean,

716
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 1: that's one of the things you try to get better

717
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: at every year. But also you try to do the

718
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 1: same amount of detail for every single deer. And I

719
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,399
Speaker 1: know Mark appreciates that he sees the detail he's talking about,

720
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: but you might have the next nine guys that you know,

721
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: they really don't care. A lot of guys just want

722
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: a big neck, you know what I mean. Or and

723
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: that's the other thing that you can only do so

724
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: much with. You only make a deer, you know what

725
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: I'm saying, it's as big or small as it was.

726
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 1: But the the detail too, of the eyes. I think

727
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,439
Speaker 1: that's the biggest thing for the expression that you're trying

728
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,280
Speaker 1: to get for the animal. Know, you always ask the hunter,

729
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: how do you remember it? How do you want to

730
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,720
Speaker 1: remember it? Do you want it like it's alert looking

731
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 1: at you? And then you change the eyes as you

732
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: change years. You know, it's it's it's It sounds simple,

733
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: but it's and it actually is simple when you do

734
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 1: it a lot. But you have to change the expression

735
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 1: according to how they want, if they want to be

736
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: relaxed or looking alert. But I think the eyes, that

737
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 1: the detail in the eyes, even the whiskers um if

738
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: you the tannery that does a really good job at tanning,

739
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 1: you get all the you know, every deer has a

740
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: different amount of whiskers. You might have an early season

741
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: buck that has such pronounced uh whiskers coming out of

742
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,720
Speaker 1: its no its nostrils and the sides of its muzzle

743
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 1: and down underneath its chin. And then we actually put

744
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,720
Speaker 1: like a little bit of a it's it's a little

745
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: bit of a like an epoxy that clings to the

746
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: whiskers and it shows like they're breathing and their breath

747
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:51,720
Speaker 1: is freezing to their whiskers. And I think some people

748
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 1: notice that some people don't. But that's kind of little details.

749
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 1: Even making sure the high is the hair side of

750
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: the deer is just so clean, you know. I mean

751
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,760
Speaker 1: you see someone that are still dusty and so little

752
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: things like that, even like with life size animals, you

753
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 1: see some basis that are just a rock and then

754
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 1: you see some that you know, you try to do

755
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: the spring habitat if it was a spring animal, or

756
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,280
Speaker 1: the fall habitat. And I think them are little details

757
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 1: that you know, and you could go on and on

758
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: and on for each species of animal. But um, the

759
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: details that my wife puts on our heads, Emily does

760
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: on the turkey heads. It's amazing to see um expressions

761
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 1: you can get just by changing the color on the

762
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: turkey heads, you know. So and like I said, not

763
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 1: everybody notices that, and not everybody knows you know, good

764
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 1: detail from no detail at all, but a few hunters

765
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: that are seasoned, and it really can tell and they

766
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: appreciate that. And that's what you know, that's why you've

767
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: got a kount. You have to do it for all

768
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: the amounts, and that's what whether that's what people do

769
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 1: know the hunters end up appreciating to about it. Yeah,

770
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 1: the whisker thing you mentioned with a little bit of

771
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 1: glisten to it, I've always I've always noticed that on

772
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: my mounts and just thought looks really cool. So people

773
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 1: do notice that ship that one. So the other sorry,

774
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: the other thing I know Dan with dance question. I

775
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 1: mean sometimes you'll see a deer that's some guys like

776
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 1: a big turn in it. Instead of like a twenty

777
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 1: degree turn, they'll do like a forty five or seventy

778
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 1: degree turn, and then you do some some muscle detail

779
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: and wrinkles um in the neck where it's turned, and

780
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,280
Speaker 1: even some shoulder muscles and some in the early season

781
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 1: deer you try to do the You'll watch you look

782
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: at a live deer in early season that short hair,

783
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 1: and with African animals too, and you see the jar

784
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: muscles and even the veins that go through the face

785
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 1: um that you know up around the rostroom and that

786
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 1: and even the veins in the ears that's one of

787
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: the things you can show with a shorter haired animals

788
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 1: that uh, that little longer hair. And if you do,

789
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,359
Speaker 1: what kind of is overdone? But you know you, I'm

790
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,839
Speaker 1: sure Dan, you've had some mounts done and you've been

791
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 1: able to see the difference. Because I know Joe Meter,

792
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 1: We've I've taken actually some seminars of his, so I

793
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 1: know he's about as good as they get at that. Yeah,

794
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 1: I've heard good things about about him as well. So

795
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: I want to take a step back now into the woods. Um,

796
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 1: you know, this is something I think a lot of

797
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,439
Speaker 1: guys maybe haven't heard about. Maybe just a buddy told

798
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: and we'll do this and that's what they do, but

799
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: maybe haven't heard from an actual taxidermist. So for a

800
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 1: guy a girl who just shot up deer, let's let's

801
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 1: assume it's a buck just shot. This buck has now

802
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,479
Speaker 1: recovered it. What does this hunter need to think about,

803
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: you know, in detail? What are all the things he

804
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 1: or she needs to think about to get that deer

805
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,280
Speaker 1: from on the ground right now? To you or whoever

806
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 1: their tax deermist is in the best shape possible, What

807
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 1: do they need to be thinking about? How do they

808
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: need to be gutting it, cleaning it, transporting it to

809
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: make sure they can get the best mount possible. Yep,

810
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,359
Speaker 1: you know that. I would say for most hunters, they

811
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,320
Speaker 1: know how to properly you know, clean and gut a

812
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 1: deer um and field dressed it. The biggest mistake I

813
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: see is people cutting up too far on the brisket.

814
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 1: Usually as far as you can go with your knife

815
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: with the brisket bone stopped, that's the best place to stop.

816
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 1: And you can still rely feel addressed it at that point. Um,

817
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 1: for a shoulder amount, you can still remove the testicles.

818
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 1: A lot of the guys that want life size mounts, um,

819
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 1: we've done a lot of life size mounts with no

820
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 1: testicles attached. Um. And you know we we work with that,

821
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 1: but usually try to leave those attached or a life

822
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: size now. But the other things you have to think

823
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 1: about the weather. Obviously, if it's if it's really warm, um,

824
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: you've got to get it either to the tax dumers.

825
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 1: We cape a lot of deer. We have a lot

826
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 1: of people, especially this last week, wouldn't being warm. Um.

827
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: A lot of hunters are afraid that the meat processor

828
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 1: going to correctly kate their deer and the meat. The

829
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: professional meat processes do a very good job of cape, dear,

830
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 1: but you can never take it to a meat processor,

831
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 1: have them tape and just leave it there and think

832
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 1: it's going to be taken care of properly until you

833
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: come and get it. I've had guys take them uh

834
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: to a meat process or leave them there and then

835
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: it gets set and just stay cooler for two weeks

836
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:57,919
Speaker 1: and then they bring it back and it's it's it's

837
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 1: dried out and it's starting to hour and hair starting

838
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,720
Speaker 1: to pull out. So always be diligent about either waiting

839
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:07,240
Speaker 1: for it to get caped or taking it to a taxidermists.

840
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: UM that will cape it for you. We don't charge

841
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 1: anything to do that, and that way it's done correctly. UM.

842
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 1: A lot of hunters will try to cape the deer themselves,

843
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 1: and the biggest mistake we see there and I give

844
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: them a lot of crowd trying to do it themselves,

845
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 1: but the biggest mistake is not necessarily leaving the cape

846
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 1: too short, but not doing it properly around the front legs. UM.

847
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: And that's another thing that you look online. There's there's

848
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: diagrams that are drawn that show you how to do

849
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 1: it in the best way to do that is to

850
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: cut it off just above the knees, between the knee

851
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: and the brisket and then sock your arm the leg

852
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: back through and then it's done properly, and then the

853
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 1: pax germers can make the cut. And never let your

854
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 1: deer set once you've got a cape. You know, if

855
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 1: it's if it's forty degrees or less, you can let

856
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 1: them hang for a while. If it's much warmer than that, um,

857
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: they actually stay better hanging than they do. A few

858
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 1: cape them and then throw them in a ball in

859
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: the corner, which I have people do to you know,

860
00:42:58,160 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: hunters that bring them in and they've been sitting in

861
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: a ball even if it's cold. The ears are the

862
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,359
Speaker 1: first thing to dry out, uh, and that makes it tough.

863
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 1: The other thing is to try and get it once

864
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: you get a cape, to get it right into a freezer.

865
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 1: If you can't get to the taxidermists, and if you

866
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 1: do freeze the head, because usually you still have the

867
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,439
Speaker 1: whole head with the cape attached, it's best at least

868
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 1: triple bag it. And again the biggest thing is is

869
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: the nose and the ears that get freezer burnt um.

870
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 1: You know that it'll fit for properly. If it's properly

871
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,399
Speaker 1: bag you can actually probably put a deer head into

872
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 1: a freezer for a year if it's much more in

873
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: a year, unless it's you know, wrapped in a three

874
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: or four bags and then maybe some towels on the

875
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:38,959
Speaker 1: outside to help insulate it, then you're gonna start getting

876
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 1: the freezer burned. But and you can get getting blood

877
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 1: all over the a lot of you. You get excited,

878
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 1: you get the deer down and you recovered it, and

879
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 1: you're gutting it and you're getting blood on the hide

880
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: and everything and on the horns. That doesn't hurt anything.

881
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 1: That when it goes to the tanning process they get

882
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 1: so perfectly cleaned up that you never know a thing

883
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 1: like that. The other thing that we have once in

884
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 1: a while come up that makes it tough to do

885
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: a perfect amount is when they think they have to

886
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 1: slit the throat to kill it to put it out.

887
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: It's misery. You can that's one of the total known

888
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 1: knows is to take a knife and try the number

889
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: one is dangerous. But the other thing is you almost

890
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 1: always because it cuts so much hair and it's on

891
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 1: part of the mouth that's going to show. You almost

892
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:24,479
Speaker 1: never can get it properly repaired after that. So um,

893
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 1: that's another one of that no knows. We see a

894
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 1: little bit of everything, but the biggest thing is just

895
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: to watch the weather and and get it taken care

896
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: of as soon as you can. Um, you know, depending

897
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: on what the you know the temperature is outside. And

898
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: another bad thing is that you don't want to get

899
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 1: them wet. You don't want to stick them in a

900
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: cooler with ice and then let the ice melt because

901
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,720
Speaker 1: the water breeds bacteria so much quicker than if it's dry.

902
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: So that's another thing not to do is to not

903
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:50,359
Speaker 1: get it on ice and then let it get wet,

904
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 1: or to to to spray the whole thing out and

905
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 1: then let it hang for a while, because that's again

906
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,919
Speaker 1: it breachs bacteria really quick. Do you do you ever

907
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: get people that try to completely skin it out themselves,

908
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 1: like you know, keep the actual skull and all that.

909
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: Is that something that you have people trying to do

910
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 1: and messing up for you? Or is that something that

911
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: most people don't even try. A few people do, and

912
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: usually that's somebody that's gone out west or they're at

913
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,479
Speaker 1: a you know, like you see it more with elk

914
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:21,320
Speaker 1: um and sometimes the antelope and sometimes the western deer,

915
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: but not very often. Not many people unless they've you know,

916
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 1: they've worked for a taxidermist or help the tax germist before.

917
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: Not many people will try to skin it off the head.

918
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 1: Outfitters will, and usually they do a good job. Another

919
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 1: thing I've seen hunters do is, well, I can't get

920
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 1: it to a tax roomers, so they take the head,

921
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 1: they flip it open the cape, and then they pour

922
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: a bunch of salt on it. And that's really bad too,

923
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,359
Speaker 1: because it'll it will help keep the hair set into

924
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 1: the hide, but the whole rest of the animal, meaning

925
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 1: the head and the neck where the meat is, that's

926
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:53,720
Speaker 1: going to start spoiling. And then it makes it tougher

927
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 1: for the taxidermist to properly clean the hide off once

928
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: there's all that meat and fat stuck to the hide,

929
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: and then you've got the salt drying it out, and

930
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: it's really tough to even with adult like a flatide

931
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 1: a lot of guys like to have. They might shoot

932
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: a big a buckets maybe not mountable, or a big

933
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 1: dough or it's the child's first animal. They want to

934
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: have the hide tan, they'll just leave, they'll fault it

935
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 1: and then let it dry. And that's that's that's one

936
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 1: of the things that shouldn't be done that that should

937
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: be treated. Just like a shoulder mountain. You need to

938
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 1: roll it up with the skin side in and then

939
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: put it in the bag and two or three bags

940
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: and freeze it if you can't get it to a taxer.

941
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: And the same with a coyote or a fox or

942
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 1: any life size animal. They green up so quick in

943
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: the belly that you know, a lot of hunters now

944
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 1: and missing are shooting kyotes and they want to do

945
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: something with them, and they let them set for two

946
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: or three days and and then you've got you know,

947
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,439
Speaker 1: you start losing hair on the belly because of that.

948
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 1: That's one of the things that needs to get in

949
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 1: the freezer right away. And a lot of guys don't

950
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 1: have the freezer room. So that's when you need to

951
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 1: get ahold of the tax turn us right away. Yeah.

952
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 1: So so something that I just thought of when you

953
00:46:56,719 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 1: were mentioning, you know, people going out west. Um, I

954
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,359
Speaker 1: had this question when I was heading out west. Well,

955
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,879
Speaker 1: me and me and Dan slash Dallas. We're talking about

956
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 1: going to do an early season mule deer hunt, and

957
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: I started wondering, you know what if I shot a

958
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: buck in velvet and there's a lot of states now

959
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 1: where guys can white tail hunt bucks that are still

960
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:18,399
Speaker 1: in velvet, how do you go about handling that? How

961
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,320
Speaker 1: do you preserve that if you shoot a buck in

962
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: velvet to get it back to the taxidermist in good form.

963
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 1: A deer in the velvet is that's a touchy subject.

964
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: You really have to you have about twenty four hours

965
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 1: or less again to going on the weather to do

966
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 1: something with that, because using the velvet, they're still really

967
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 1: full of blood, and the earlier in the season, the

968
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: more blood they're going to have in there than their

969
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 1: antlers and in their veins. But I ran into that

970
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 1: once and I had just started doing text. I mean

971
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 1: I was maybe a year into it, and we had

972
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 1: shot a My brother shot a mule deer in the velvet.

973
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 1: Well while we had was a little syringe from his

974
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 1: beastam kit because he was loaded to bees and we

975
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 1: had fault. We were in the wilderness area. So what

976
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:00,399
Speaker 1: we did is we cooked some water, boiled some water,

977
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 1: saturated it with salt, but it cool took the syringe

978
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: and then started injecting. You can feel the veins. You

979
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 1: can start injecting them from the tips and it pushes

980
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 1: the salt water, displaces the blood and it comes out

981
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: of the main veins that go up through the pedicle

982
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 1: of the the antler. And that was back in I think,

983
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: And now we've got it's still sitting here in my

984
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 1: trophy room and we never lost a single piece of

985
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 1: It's just perfect. And so the timing was right. Though

986
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 1: we did it right away. We did it probably what

987
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 1: started on it within three or four hours of when

988
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 1: the animal was dead. The other option is to get

989
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 1: it on dry ice. Get it as quickly as you

990
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: can on dry ice. Put the dry ice on top

991
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: of the antlers, um put maybe a towel or something

992
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: in a rag between them so it doesn't stick to

993
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: the antlers. You're more than likely going to have to

994
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 1: split the skull plate in that case. Put them both

995
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: down in a cooler and they get some dry ice.

996
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:52,800
Speaker 1: Or if you have access to a freezer, if you

997
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,720
Speaker 1: know somebody, or even the meat processor in the closest

998
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: town music and give them twenty or thirty bucks and

999
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: I'll let you freeze the whole the antlers right in there.

1000
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 1: What we do now is we we have a freeze

1001
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:05,399
Speaker 1: dryer that we use and what we'll do is split

1002
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 1: the skull plate, freeze the antlers and then we can

1003
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 1: overnight them. Or we have one freeze drive is close

1004
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 1: enough that we drive halfway and meet them, drive two

1005
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 1: or three hours and they drive to or three how

1006
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 1: we meet them, get it to them and then they

1007
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 1: put it in the freeze dryer and that's worked out

1008
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 1: really well. So then there's there's antler uh, there's a

1009
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: velvet kits that you can buy. You can ask your

1010
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 1: tax numbers to get one for you and they can

1011
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 1: send it with you and kind of teach you the

1012
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 1: basics of just it's a syringe and there's an antler

1013
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: tank or velvet tan and from alb hide is one

1014
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 1: of the old ways of doing it. So there are

1015
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 1: is more than one way to do it. But the

1016
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 1: biggest thing is it's got to be done quickly. It's

1017
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 1: got to be done at the very least within twenty

1018
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 1: four hours. You see it with caribou where guys will

1019
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 1: inject say the antlers. Well, the other is going to

1020
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: come off for sure, and it's gonna look bad, and

1021
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: it almost looks worse than if you just peeled the

1022
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 1: all off, you know what I mean. So and sometimes

1023
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 1: just shoot an animal, whether it's a caribou or a

1024
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 1: mule deer or a white tail in the velvet and

1025
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 1: if it's set point where it's starting to shut on

1026
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 1: its own, it's really hard to make it permanent at

1027
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: that point. So that's when you would need to take them,

1028
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: put them in cold water or some salt water, and

1029
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:17,800
Speaker 1: let them set and then you can peel. What the

1030
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 1: salt water does soak the blood rate out of the

1031
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 1: actual antler, and you can peel all the velvet off

1032
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,439
Speaker 1: and then peel and then set it back in the water.

1033
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 1: That cold salt water will actually suck that, uh, suck

1034
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: the moisture and the blood rate out of the actual

1035
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 1: antler itself so it doesn't stain. You know, you end

1036
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 1: up getting the red stain everywhere if you don't do

1037
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 1: that from the blood. Wow. Well, uh, I guess I'm

1038
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 1: kind of glad I didn't shoot one because I would

1039
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:46,839
Speaker 1: have probably screwed it up. It's really hard. We've had

1040
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 1: deer from Kansas you know, that's one of the states.

1041
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 1: You can go early muz load and they have the

1042
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: velvet and they'll take it to a deer processor and say, well,

1043
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 1: you know, be careful, and then when they get it back, um,

1044
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: three cores of velvet's been marred up, and because there's

1045
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,800
Speaker 1: so tender that the antlers are at that point, so

1046
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 1: they've really got be handled carefully. So it's hard. They

1047
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 1: do have a spray on velvets you can send in

1048
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:10,320
Speaker 1: and have them um an artificial velvet put on the

1049
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:13,800
Speaker 1: animals the antlers, but to me, it just it is

1050
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 1: never as realistic looking as the the actual animal and velvet,

1051
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 1: and they're they're gorgeous mount if you can, if you

1052
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 1: can do it right, you know, and it's takes a

1053
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 1: lot of research ahead of time and planning and preparation

1054
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 1: if you plan on um harvesting an animal that does

1055
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:30,240
Speaker 1: have velvet. So it takes the right type of person

1056
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 1: and personality to be able to do that on your

1057
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 1: own as a hunter, you know, especially if you're up

1058
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: in the world in this area or somewhere where you

1059
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: don't have someone else to help you out with it. Yeah,

1060
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 1: that seems pretty darned difficult. So so moving on in

1061
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 1: the process, then, let's say taking taking a step back

1062
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 1: to what we're talking about just before velvet, you know,

1063
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 1: properly handling your deer in the field to get it

1064
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 1: to the taxidermist. Uh, this might be a tricky one

1065
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:56,919
Speaker 1: for you, given the fact that you are a taxidermist.

1066
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 1: But do you have any advice for the person who

1067
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 1: does have you know, a set tax of dermans already?

1068
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 1: You know that maybe this is the first deer and

1069
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: they don't have a buddy that says just go here. Um,

1070
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 1: is there any you know advice and you know how

1071
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:11,320
Speaker 1: to make sure that the tax defermonts I pick is

1072
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 1: legit or half decent or anything like that. You're right,

1073
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 1: that is kind of tough. I've never honestly ever been

1074
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 1: to another text Drman Studio except for the U Ray

1075
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 1: Dawson's who taught me taxes or me and so, um,

1076
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 1: I guess I've never thought about how to go about

1077
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 1: getting ahold other tax some I think some people, you know, well,

1078
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 1: our work is a pent word of mouth. All of

1079
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: our customers come word of mouths. So that's how it

1080
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 1: works for us, because there's always a buddy that says, well,

1081
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 1: you know, one guy one hunter might call four, but

1082
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:44,359
Speaker 1: four friends at hunt and three out of the four

1083
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 1: say go here, so that you know obviously they're going

1084
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 1: to try that place out. But I would actually probably

1085
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 1: if it was me, I would go to the studio

1086
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 1: and look at some of the mounts they have and

1087
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 1: and look and make sure it's something you know, even

1088
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 1: if you've never had one done, I think you can

1089
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:02,399
Speaker 1: kind of tell first impression. Um. One of the good

1090
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:06,360
Speaker 1: questions to ask is turnaround time. Um, do they have

1091
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: the heights professionally tan? We always centers out to be

1092
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:11,879
Speaker 1: professionally tanned, and I think that's really important. Some guys don't.

1093
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 1: Some guys do it on their own. They tan. Uh.

1094
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 1: There's quick pans and powder tans and soap pans that

1095
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 1: they can use. And you know, a lot of these

1096
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,839
Speaker 1: mounts are their heirlooms, will will last forever if they're

1097
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 1: taking care of and tan properly. So I guess I

1098
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 1: would ask those questions and then look at look at

1099
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 1: the mounts that they have, you know, and see if

1100
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 1: you may it may look good to you now, and

1101
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 1: then you get more seasoned at it and you've had

1102
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 1: three or four done, and you may see different you know,

1103
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 1: qualities that you do and don't like of other tax germists.

1104
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 1: But yeah, you know they start a lot of guys

1105
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 1: starting the phone book. If they don't have friends that hunt,

1106
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 1: that's probably the first place they look. Or at websites,

1107
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 1: you know, look at a website and see some of

1108
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: the work it's on the website and maybe call, uh, well,

1109
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 1: I guess I don't even know if he would have

1110
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: references for something like that, you know, call the tax fermist,

1111
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 1: n ask for a reference. Obviously he would give you

1112
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 1: a number to someone who's happy. So that wouldn't do

1113
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 1: you all a lot of good that I don't know, Mark,

1114
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 1: I mean your first mount, did you? You probably went

1115
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 1: with um some of your friends recommendations, right, Is that

1116
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 1: how you did it? Yeah? Yeah, for me, it was

1117
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 1: it was word of mouth, just you know, hearing from

1118
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 1: different people about who they trusted. And I imagine that's probably,

1119
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 1: like you said, how people do find their text nest yep, yep.

1120
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 1: So it would be tough. I mean if you don't

1121
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: have any knowledge of it and other friends that have

1122
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 1: done it and know which way to steer you, I

1123
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 1: guess that's The biggest thing is to ask the questions

1124
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:35,720
Speaker 1: of places. Obviously a factor in a lot of people's decision.

1125
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 1: Some people don't. They just want the best job done

1126
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 1: that they can. Some people want the cheapest job they

1127
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 1: can have done, you know, um, and they don't care

1128
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 1: about turnaround time. So you've got to take I think

1129
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:47,840
Speaker 1: all that in consideration and then also be able to

1130
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 1: look at their mounts and make sure you know it's

1131
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 1: tanned and uh professionally tan. That all that makes a

1132
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 1: big difference. Dan do you take do you take on

1133
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 1: all work or do you ever refer someone to another taxidermist?

1134
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 1: We from what we specialize in, you know, like with

1135
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 1: bears and deer and ascan animals. We we've never had

1136
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 1: to get to the point where we've had to say no. Um.

1137
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:17,399
Speaker 1: We've had with fish. We totally quit doing fish. UM.

1138
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 1: There's years where we do say no to like the

1139
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 1: small animals, the coyotes and the fox and the raccoons

1140
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 1: and um. This year is a year where we're going

1141
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 1: to pretty much stop taking in the small animals for

1142
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 1: a while. We just can't, you know, you can't handle

1143
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 1: it all. And it's just it's me and Emily, I

1144
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:35,320
Speaker 1: that do everything at this time of year. We have

1145
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 1: a sister and a brother and a couple of brother

1146
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 1: in laws that come help us. That really helps out

1147
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 1: with the skinning end of it and that. But you know,

1148
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 1: so yeah, we've never had to get to the point

1149
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 1: where with like with white tailed deer and ascan animals

1150
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 1: and exotics that we've had to say no. But you

1151
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 1: have to pick some things. And like I said, this year,

1152
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 1: even with the turkeys, Emily will have her limit. She

1153
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 1: will take in use the fifteen turkeys and then she's done.

1154
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 1: That's it. She won't take anymore. So people don't like

1155
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 1: it to tell them no, and they don't like to

1156
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 1: hear no. So that's a hard thing to do sometimes.

1157
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 1: But we do refer even with waterfowl, um, you know,

1158
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:12,320
Speaker 1: the ducks and the geese and that in the pheasants,

1159
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 1: we quit doing any of that too because you just

1160
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 1: you can only do so much that and that's you know,

1161
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 1: does that answer your question day and like that? It does? Yep, yep,

1162
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:23,839
Speaker 1: it's um. You know, some years this year we could

1163
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 1: get that point. With deer, we've taken in way more

1164
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 1: than we normally do at this point of the season,

1165
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:31,439
Speaker 1: and it may slow down. You know, who knows what's

1166
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 1: going to bring muzzleloading. But this year has been the

1167
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 1: first year for us that we've actually had the freeze

1168
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 1: a few hides as we're taking them off the head,

1169
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 1: partly because it was warm early in the in the

1170
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 1: gun season, but uh, it's it's you know, we're how

1171
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 1: many do we do? UM? You typically on a normal

1172
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 1: year around the one seventy five for deer, you know,

1173
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 1: like shoulder mounts, and then UM, last year we were

1174
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 1: a little over two hundred, and we're definitely gonna be

1175
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 1: over two h U year, we're probably gonna be you know,

1176
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:05,319
Speaker 1: to to fifty UM. And if we hit that, that's

1177
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 1: when we're gonna have to start saying no, because that's

1178
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 1: about what we can can physically handle mentally and physically handle. UM.

1179
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 1: But the thing I've noticed over the years is sometimes

1180
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 1: you have a lot of guys going bear hunting, and

1181
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 1: you take in more bears and normal and you do

1182
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 1: a lot of life sized mounts, and then you may

1183
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 1: have a few less white tails UM, or you may

1184
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 1: have a lot of white tails and a lot of

1185
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 1: African animals because you know, you may get two hunters

1186
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 1: to go to Africa and they'll bring back twenty or

1187
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 1: thirty animals, So it doesn't take a lot of hunters

1188
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 1: to really start building up, you know, your your African mounts,

1189
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 1: and then you may have less bears. You may only

1190
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 1: get a couple or three, two or three bears. So

1191
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 1: it always seems to work itself out. The one thing

1192
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 1: for us is we've always had like an eight month

1193
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 1: turnaround or less bow bucks, you know, both animals that

1194
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 1: are shot during both season. We may get them done

1195
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 1: in three months because the tannery is not totally full.

1196
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 1: And um, we were up the tannery today actually and

1197
00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 1: uh we've got hides that we were picking up from

1198
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:01,280
Speaker 1: the youth. So we're going to have them done for

1199
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 1: Christmas for people, for the kids, you know, all the

1200
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 1: young kids that shot dear. So, um, it just depends

1201
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 1: on every year. But h yeah, so normally this most

1202
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 1: years are right around that hundred seventy two years, so

1203
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 1: I know we're gonna be wall above that this year.

1204
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 1: So I'm little worried Dan because I'm heading to Iowa

1205
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 1: next Sunday, hopefully still gonna fill my Iowa tag. Am

1206
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 1: I gonna get am I gonna get turned down? If it,

1207
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 1: bring it over. No, no, no, no, I won't special

1208
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 1: treatment now, No, that'd be a bad thing. No, I

1209
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:36,439
Speaker 1: don't think we're going to get that point with white

1210
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 1: tails over half. So, like I said, we're gonna start

1211
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 1: telling I quit doing Kyo Kyote's h skinning them years

1212
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 1: ago because we got so busy. Well, then Emily started

1213
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 1: taking over the skinning and she enjoys it. But just

1214
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 1: to the point now where we've got so much other

1215
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:52,919
Speaker 1: to do that you know, you gotta you gotta pick

1216
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 1: something that you have to say no to. And like

1217
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 1: I said, it's hard to tell a customer no, especially

1218
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 1: we have a lot of loyal customers, and so you know,

1219
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 1: if it was a new person, would be a lot

1220
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:04,479
Speaker 1: easier than tell him. You know, one of your loyal

1221
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 1: customers that brings their friends out here and they're here

1222
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 1: every year with something to tell him, no, we can't

1223
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 1: do it. So the other option, I guess is to

1224
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 1: hire somebody or get a little longer lag time, you know,

1225
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 1: so that may that may end up happening, but we're

1226
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 1: still I think a lot of tax germists I hear,

1227
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 1: you know, a year sometimes two years on turnaround, and

1228
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 1: we always try to keep it at ten months or less,

1229
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 1: unless it's something like like the coyotes. When people bring

1230
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 1: him in, I always say, you know it's going to

1231
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 1: be it maybe six months, and it maybe a year.

1232
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 1: But that's just you know, if you want that done,

1233
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 1: that's one of the things you have to wait a

1234
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 1: little bit longer for. All. Right now, before we get

1235
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 1: to our next question for Dan, we do need to

1236
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 1: pause for a word from one of our sponsors of

1237
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1239
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Speaker 1: as he discusses how zons has changed the kind of

1240
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 1: success he's seen as a deer hunter. Thinks, I've learned

1241
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 1: how to use azonics effectively, you know, being conscientious of

1242
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 1: every factor, just like any other thing you do when

1243
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 1: you're hunting. As you do it, you learn more about it.

1244
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 1: You learn how to be more effective. Being conscientious of

1245
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 1: my unit, being over my head directly, uh, you know,

1246
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:20,720
Speaker 1: using the extension body's offered bosonics. Being conscientious of wind

1247
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 1: by using wind checkers at all times, multiple times during

1248
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 1: your hunt, uh, to make sure that the wind doesn't

1249
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 1: shift on you. Um. On average, I get get away

1250
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 1: with seventy per cent of all my down wind encounters

1251
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 1: from the worst case scenario for the best case scenario,

1252
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 1: and that's from one year old, dear to seven or

1253
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 1: eight year old deer um, which is phenomenal, you know,

1254
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 1: in my opinion. Um. And I never harvested to mature

1255
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 1: deer a year with a bowling era until I started

1256
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 1: using a zonic. Interestingly, this was my first year I've

1257
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 1: ever killed two bucks with my bow too, and I'm

1258
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 1: confident that my ozonics helped, at least in part to

1259
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 1: make that possible, as I had Dear downwind of me

1260
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 1: during both encounters and none of them spooked. So if

1261
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:18,120
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1262
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 1: dot com. And now back to the show. So continuingly

1263
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:25,360
Speaker 1: down the down the line now kind of I keep

1264
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 1: on bouncing back to this kind of progression that I'm

1265
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 1: thinking through. Um, we've got our taxiderm is picked out.

1266
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 1: Now we show up at the taxiderma studio and again

1267
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 1: thinking here, I I don't know anything. Let's say, do

1268
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 1: you have any advice for picking the right form the

1269
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:42,040
Speaker 1: right mount for you, dear? You know, assuming that you

1270
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:44,480
Speaker 1: want to do a shoulder mount um. You know, I

1271
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 1: think most people try to show up and look around

1272
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:48,360
Speaker 1: and say I like that. But do you have any

1273
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 1: advice for how to pick the right one, or is

1274
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 1: there a certain form or style that looks best for

1275
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:55,720
Speaker 1: a big deer versus a small deer or Iowa deer

1276
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:58,439
Speaker 1: versus a Michigan or anything like that, like high level

1277
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 1: tips you can get for picking the right m Oh yeah.

1278
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 1: I try to do that with everybody that walks on

1279
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 1: the door. And you've got a few guys will come

1280
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:07,440
Speaker 1: in and they've been through it several times, so they

1281
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:10,040
Speaker 1: know exactly what they want and how they want it turned,

1282
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 1: and how they want the years and the expression on

1283
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 1: the animal. And I do I have a lot of

1284
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:18,960
Speaker 1: there's for the there's certain big body mature deer like

1285
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 1: the Eyowa deer and the Illinois deer, Kansas deer, and

1286
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 1: some of our Michigan deer that I have certain forms

1287
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 1: and certain sculptors that have sculpted the forms, like the

1288
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:28,160
Speaker 1: Joe Meter. I like Joe Meter's form and another one's

1289
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:30,440
Speaker 1: been Neears and those are my two favorite sculptors. And

1290
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 1: when you shoot a big mature deer, I always try

1291
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 1: to talk him into using one of those two forms

1292
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:40,360
Speaker 1: from those sculptors, and and I know which forms over

1293
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:42,880
Speaker 1: the years, using them all I think is going to

1294
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 1: make that deer look better for to show off what

1295
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 1: you want to show off. It's a smaller body deer,

1296
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:50,480
Speaker 1: a younger deer. There's another sculpture that I used. It

1297
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:52,960
Speaker 1: shows it off better for the you know, the smaller

1298
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 1: body more uh, kind of petite looking deer. Um even

1299
01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 1: southern deer. You know you've got certain forms for that.

1300
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:01,560
Speaker 1: But the other thing I ask them is do you

1301
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 1: want to look like it was when you you know,

1302
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:05,960
Speaker 1: when you shot the animal, you harvest the animal, you

1303
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:08,600
Speaker 1: last saw the animal, or do you have a spot.

1304
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:11,360
Speaker 1: A lot of guys will draw a diagram of where

1305
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:13,120
Speaker 1: they're gonna put it, like this is my wall and

1306
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 1: this is where I sit, or this is the entry

1307
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:16,440
Speaker 1: into the room. So we try to pick them out

1308
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:19,680
Speaker 1: that fits perfect for the wall you're going to put

1309
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:21,120
Speaker 1: it on. And then how hi are you going to

1310
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 1: hang out? Or how how how lo them ount going

1311
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:25,840
Speaker 1: to hang? Um? You know what I mean. So it

1312
01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 1: like there's certain amounts that look great if you're going

1313
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:29,400
Speaker 1: to hang and make foot or lower and then there's

1314
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 1: certain amounts that in that same amountain may not work

1315
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:34,360
Speaker 1: very good if you hang it too high. So we

1316
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:36,440
Speaker 1: try to go over that with all the guys. And

1317
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 1: the other thing is is asking them how they want

1318
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 1: their ears for the expression. A lot of hunters have

1319
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:44,240
Speaker 1: had mounts done and they've never really had a say

1320
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:47,640
Speaker 1: in how they've done the ears, which changes the expression

1321
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:50,840
Speaker 1: so much, and why make suggestions with that too? And

1322
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:53,120
Speaker 1: then they get to in our studio they get to

1323
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:56,600
Speaker 1: look at God, there's all I think there's always probably

1324
01:03:56,680 --> 01:03:59,480
Speaker 1: fifty or sixty shoulder mounts in here or forty every

1325
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 1: any given time, so they can look at what catches

1326
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:03,840
Speaker 1: their eye and tell me, you know, this is what

1327
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 1: I think I want to do. And then I say, well,

1328
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:07,600
Speaker 1: how high you're gonna hang it? You may lose the

1329
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:10,600
Speaker 1: face if it's too high, you know. So that's a

1330
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:12,680
Speaker 1: great question mark because a lot of hunters just say

1331
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:14,960
Speaker 1: I want a shoulder mouth, and they just think that

1332
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 1: you're just gonna do a shoulder mount. But when we're

1333
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 1: all done, I think they get some of them get

1334
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:22,720
Speaker 1: confused at first, but then they start putting it all together.

1335
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:25,040
Speaker 1: And then once in a while I'll say once you

1336
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:27,160
Speaker 1: go home, talk to your wife, figure out where you

1337
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:28,720
Speaker 1: gonna put the animal, and then give me a call

1338
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:30,480
Speaker 1: back or they'll come back out. You know, they'll come

1339
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:34,080
Speaker 1: get their antlers to show off during the holidays, and

1340
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:36,120
Speaker 1: then they had time to settle down and think about

1341
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:38,040
Speaker 1: how they want to do their mouth so that way

1342
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:41,080
Speaker 1: they're not you know, pressured into I had a buck

1343
01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 1: with a twenty three and spread brought in today, the

1344
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:45,960
Speaker 1: guy's first buck. It was just a gorgeous, big, heavy,

1345
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 1: five or six year old eight point and he was

1346
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:51,680
Speaker 1: he'd never had one done, and you know, he I

1347
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:53,680
Speaker 1: went through everything with him and he did that. He's like,

1348
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:55,600
Speaker 1: you know, and I bring my wife out. He took

1349
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:57,880
Speaker 1: pictures and he said, I'm gonna leave the deer here

1350
01:04:58,200 --> 01:04:59,880
Speaker 1: and then they'll come back at the antlers and we'll

1351
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:02,000
Speaker 1: got them mount then so that we can see the

1352
01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 1: pressure building up on them thinking they've got it. If

1353
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:06,720
Speaker 1: they make a choice, it's it's done for the rest

1354
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:08,440
Speaker 1: of their life, and it's not. I mean, you know,

1355
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 1: we don't order forms until the hydra back maintainers, so

1356
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:13,760
Speaker 1: you've got you know, you've got a few months to

1357
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:15,920
Speaker 1: to sit down to side. A lot of guys just

1358
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:17,600
Speaker 1: say this is how I want it. I know how

1359
01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:18,840
Speaker 1: I want it, and this is what we're gonna do.

1360
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:22,720
Speaker 1: You mentioned the ears, um and the ears are something

1361
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:24,600
Speaker 1: that you've talked to me about before when I brought

1362
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:27,439
Speaker 1: in my my dear. Can you share your perspective because

1363
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 1: I know in the past you've given me your opinion

1364
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 1: on a certain way of ears looks pretty good. Some

1365
01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:34,080
Speaker 1: ears kind of hide the antlers, different things that that.

1366
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:36,320
Speaker 1: Can you just share this your thoughts on different ear

1367
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:39,000
Speaker 1: position and why that makes a big deal. Yeah, I

1368
01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:41,480
Speaker 1: think it does make a huge difference on the animal.

1369
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:44,280
Speaker 1: A lot of guys, you see every mount they have

1370
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:46,640
Speaker 1: have alert ears and that's just how they like. It's

1371
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:48,280
Speaker 1: like the style of the ears for and the alert

1372
01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:51,280
Speaker 1: ears are white tails have they have different sizes ears.

1373
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:53,200
Speaker 1: You see some that it could be a mature buck

1374
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:55,520
Speaker 1: and it has pretty small ears and you can see

1375
01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:58,160
Speaker 1: year and apple deer sometimes they have really large ears,

1376
01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:01,000
Speaker 1: and those ears, in my opinion, if they're set too

1377
01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:03,440
Speaker 1: forward on certain amounts. And it depends on how the

1378
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:05,920
Speaker 1: antlers come off of the skull plate. But you can

1379
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:08,600
Speaker 1: kind of hide the antlers sometimes with the ears. If

1380
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:11,160
Speaker 1: you don't do it um a certain way. And so

1381
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 1: like with my personal opinion, all my own white tails,

1382
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:16,280
Speaker 1: and a lot of guys leave it up to me.

1383
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:17,960
Speaker 1: And if they leave it up to me and I

1384
01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:19,920
Speaker 1: do it on my own, I almost always do the

1385
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:22,560
Speaker 1: ears a little bit back gives them a relaxed look.

1386
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:24,520
Speaker 1: Or I'll do one year back and on the other

1387
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:26,640
Speaker 1: year a little bit forward and I'll switch it depending

1388
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:29,120
Speaker 1: on which way it's turned. Um, And that gives it

1389
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:32,520
Speaker 1: is amazing the different expressions you can change just with

1390
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:35,360
Speaker 1: moving years around. Um, you know, and that and I

1391
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:37,680
Speaker 1: think that's probably one of the most important things on

1392
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:40,600
Speaker 1: amount is how you set the ears. And like I said,

1393
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 1: a lot of guys to say, well, every year I

1394
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:44,960
Speaker 1: have I want alert ears. Some guys leave it up

1395
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:48,120
Speaker 1: to me. Um. If you have two main deams that

1396
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:49,600
Speaker 1: come out, if you look at the main beams, a

1397
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:52,040
Speaker 1: lot of times they're not symmetrical there. They almost look

1398
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:54,800
Speaker 1: like they come from two different deer. Well that really

1399
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:58,480
Speaker 1: shows if you can see that unbalanced look. If you

1400
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:00,920
Speaker 1: do the ears both the exact saints a lot of

1401
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:03,240
Speaker 1: times will switch to ears up and give it kind

1402
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:05,680
Speaker 1: of a natural like it's listening behind it. With one

1403
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:07,960
Speaker 1: year and listening forward with the other year, and then

1404
01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:11,360
Speaker 1: you don't notice the young symmetry in the rack as much.

1405
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:13,440
Speaker 1: So you know, there's a lot of different ways of

1406
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:15,800
Speaker 1: playing with them and making them look different. Sometimes look

1407
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:17,880
Speaker 1: out the years and then we'll come back a day

1408
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:20,160
Speaker 1: later and it's it's not you know that it takes

1409
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:21,800
Speaker 1: a while for them to dry, and me and my

1410
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:23,520
Speaker 1: wife's Emily will sit there and look at them and

1411
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:26,280
Speaker 1: I'll move them a little bit and she'll say no, yes,

1412
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:29,320
Speaker 1: you know, until we get it exactly how we really

1413
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:31,400
Speaker 1: like the expression of what it does for the dear.

1414
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:34,400
Speaker 1: So it does make a big difference. Yeah, I've noticed

1415
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:35,960
Speaker 1: the same thing. It's it's something that I would have

1416
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:38,600
Speaker 1: never thought about ahead of time, but once you mentioned

1417
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:40,080
Speaker 1: it to me and I started looking at all the

1418
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:43,280
Speaker 1: different deer and the different ear positions, it's start. It

1419
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:45,880
Speaker 1: really does make a total difference in the look and

1420
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:48,600
Speaker 1: feel of it completely. It does they have And like

1421
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:51,080
Speaker 1: I said, you see some hunters that really get confused

1422
01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:53,560
Speaker 1: with that, but then they look around and they see

1423
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:56,320
Speaker 1: deer with every different position that I have mounted, and

1424
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:58,320
Speaker 1: then they can kind of say, well, I really like this.

1425
01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:00,640
Speaker 1: And everybody's got their own style. Oh you know, it's

1426
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:03,920
Speaker 1: it's amazing how um, certain guys like one thing and

1427
01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:07,160
Speaker 1: don't like another, you know. So that's why I like

1428
01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 1: to ask everybody that way there they know exactly what

1429
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:12,800
Speaker 1: they're getting. Yeah, I know the last year that I

1430
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:16,160
Speaker 1: had mounted, I rattled and rattled and snort whased him in.

1431
01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:19,160
Speaker 1: So when he came in, he was doing that sidestep

1432
01:08:19,280 --> 01:08:21,479
Speaker 1: kind of thing with his ears pinned all the way back,

1433
01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:24,799
Speaker 1: and that's how I got him mounted with the earspin

1434
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:28,120
Speaker 1: back pretty far. And my taxider missed at the time

1435
01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:29,920
Speaker 1: showed me how you know, at the very tip the

1436
01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:34,080
Speaker 1: ears actually curled back a little bit. And plus with

1437
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:36,160
Speaker 1: the ears pin back, it makes your rack look bigger,

1438
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:40,640
Speaker 1: so that's also that's also a benefit. It is, Yes,

1439
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:44,200
Speaker 1: in the years, they do make the lack look bigger something.

1440
01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 1: A lot of guys don't like him pin back unless

1441
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:49,240
Speaker 1: they're doing that aggressive posturing thing like you just described. Um,

1442
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:51,479
Speaker 1: I you look at a lot of my amounts, and

1443
01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:54,560
Speaker 1: I haven't shot a lot of like giant bucks, so

1444
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:56,519
Speaker 1: I have to pin the ears back to make my aunt.

1445
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:03,040
Speaker 1: I've seen some pretty nice ones you've gotten then, yeah, um,

1446
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:07,799
Speaker 1: that's funny. So here's here's kind of my final question

1447
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:10,840
Speaker 1: related to, you know, dealing with an animal and bringing

1448
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:13,760
Speaker 1: in um. Well, actually it's kind of after bringing in

1449
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:16,720
Speaker 1: I've picked it up, I brought it home. What do

1450
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:18,439
Speaker 1: I need to be thinking about or what does anyone

1451
01:09:18,479 --> 01:09:20,799
Speaker 1: need to be thinking about to properly care for amount

1452
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:22,600
Speaker 1: once it's at home, Because that's something I don't hear

1453
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:24,080
Speaker 1: a lot of people talking about. You know, is there

1454
01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:25,600
Speaker 1: anything that we should be doing to make sure it

1455
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:27,800
Speaker 1: lasts as long as possible and is as good as

1456
01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:32,080
Speaker 1: form and shape as possible. Oh yeah, I mean, you

1457
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 1: see a lot of mounts that look really good on

1458
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:36,320
Speaker 1: the wall you go into the people's houses or trophy rooms,

1459
01:09:36,360 --> 01:09:38,400
Speaker 1: and then once you once you get them mount down

1460
01:09:38,479 --> 01:09:40,879
Speaker 1: and you realize it's just like any piece of furniture

1461
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:44,360
Speaker 1: or picture or anything hanging on your walls. Everybody's house

1462
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:47,960
Speaker 1: gets dusty, and dust is. You won't believe how did

1463
01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:50,240
Speaker 1: your mounts can get until you clean them off, and

1464
01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:52,280
Speaker 1: they they'll still look good even if you don't clean them.

1465
01:09:52,280 --> 01:09:53,840
Speaker 1: And then you clean them, you're like, oh my gosh

1466
01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:56,519
Speaker 1: that you can't believe just a little bit of dusting

1467
01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:58,760
Speaker 1: how much it brings them back to like. But what

1468
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:00,800
Speaker 1: I tell to tell everybody when there's the two main

1469
01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:02,760
Speaker 1: things that you want to clean are the antlers, which

1470
01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:05,200
Speaker 1: we always tell people to use mineral oil, which is

1471
01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:07,640
Speaker 1: a simple oil that you buy at a pharmacy that

1472
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:10,559
Speaker 1: you can consume, you can drink it. We always tell

1473
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:12,920
Speaker 1: them take a rag, a small rag, soak it with

1474
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:15,559
Speaker 1: miner oil until the rag is you know, not worth dripping,

1475
01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:18,080
Speaker 1: but it's soaked in. Put it in a little ziplock

1476
01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:20,599
Speaker 1: baggy and keep it and you'll keep forever. Just use

1477
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:23,200
Speaker 1: that to wipe the antlers down. It's not going to

1478
01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:25,200
Speaker 1: hurt to get that on the hair side of the animal.

1479
01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:27,200
Speaker 1: But for the hair, we like to go to we

1480
01:10:27,320 --> 01:10:30,600
Speaker 1: get livestock grooming polishes like sho sheen. You can go

1481
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:33,640
Speaker 1: to the tractor supply or that's the main place you

1482
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:36,599
Speaker 1: can buy that stuff. But they have several livestock grooming

1483
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:38,439
Speaker 1: polishes that we use for the hair and it's got

1484
01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:40,360
Speaker 1: a little bit of silicone in it, and it's the

1485
01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:42,960
Speaker 1: acts of the dust repellant acts as a little bit

1486
01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:45,559
Speaker 1: of a sheen, and that's the best way to keep

1487
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:47,160
Speaker 1: them clean. The other thing is that you've got to

1488
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:51,519
Speaker 1: worry about is maths. They have a it's actually kind

1489
01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:55,040
Speaker 1: of like a grain moth or a covered moth that

1490
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:58,040
Speaker 1: gets in your your flower and in your pantries. And

1491
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:00,760
Speaker 1: you see that more and more that the mall to

1492
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:03,160
Speaker 1: eat wool like even you eat up a wool sweater.

1493
01:11:03,439 --> 01:11:05,200
Speaker 1: So always take your mouths down, even if it's a

1494
01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:08,080
Speaker 1: couple of times a year in check for what you design.

1495
01:11:08,160 --> 01:11:09,680
Speaker 1: That you'll see is on the back side of the

1496
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:12,080
Speaker 1: mount where it's up against the wall. You see little

1497
01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:14,080
Speaker 1: things that look like little pieces of rice. And that

1498
01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:17,120
Speaker 1: is the shell of one of the stages they go

1499
01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:19,519
Speaker 1: through three life stages. That's the shell on the stages

1500
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:21,679
Speaker 1: of when they hatch, they come out of that shell

1501
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:24,479
Speaker 1: and then they start eating the protein. And it doesn't

1502
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:26,880
Speaker 1: matter how the hair is, how the height is tanned.

1503
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:29,720
Speaker 1: And there's several different hands out there, there's always just

1504
01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:32,679
Speaker 1: enough protein left at the hair root for these malls

1505
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:35,439
Speaker 1: to consume. And they start on the back where it's dark,

1506
01:11:35,479 --> 01:11:37,000
Speaker 1: and then if you let it go long enough to

1507
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:41,320
Speaker 1: consume towards the head and start consuming the root hair

1508
01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:44,120
Speaker 1: and uh, and then your hair just starts falling out

1509
01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:45,840
Speaker 1: and it doesn't matter how it's tanned. If you have

1510
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:48,639
Speaker 1: malls in your house or wherever you're keeping your mounts,

1511
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:52,000
Speaker 1: you're gonna have start having problems with your mounts. What

1512
01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:53,840
Speaker 1: you need to do that in that case is get

1513
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:56,640
Speaker 1: these bug bombs. Everybody that has mounts should do this.

1514
01:11:57,280 --> 01:11:58,960
Speaker 1: Do it twice, do it once, and then do it

1515
01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:02,080
Speaker 1: six weeks later, and it's a it's a bug it's

1516
01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:03,599
Speaker 1: about You have to get a bug bomb that has

1517
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:07,840
Speaker 1: the active ingredients of Parisian, which is known one of

1518
01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:10,639
Speaker 1: the only known moth killers. They used to put arsenic

1519
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:13,800
Speaker 1: in the tanning process and that was the only guaranteed

1520
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:17,840
Speaker 1: known moth proofer, but because it was such a carsonage

1521
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:20,040
Speaker 1: in the in the known carsonage and they outlawed it,

1522
01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:22,479
Speaker 1: so none of the tanners were able to use arsenic

1523
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:26,360
Speaker 1: and they've not come up with another total fullproof moth

1524
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:29,479
Speaker 1: proofing system since then. So the biggest thing is for

1525
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:31,439
Speaker 1: the hunter to just to keep on top of it

1526
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:33,720
Speaker 1: to make sure they don't see these signs of these

1527
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:36,240
Speaker 1: little maths. And if they do, take the mounts down,

1528
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:38,920
Speaker 1: put them in a contained area or even a big

1529
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:41,760
Speaker 1: garbage bag, spray it with this this bug bomb or

1530
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:45,040
Speaker 1: even home defense um you can use I soak them

1531
01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:48,080
Speaker 1: in a moth proofer when they get rehydrated, but that

1532
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:51,040
Speaker 1: lasts only so long, you know, because of this arsenic

1533
01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:53,840
Speaker 1: being illegal, So always keep track of that and keep

1534
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:56,160
Speaker 1: your mounts clean, even if you just do them, you know,

1535
01:12:56,439 --> 01:12:59,040
Speaker 1: once every six months. You can never overclean them mount

1536
01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:01,360
Speaker 1: But as much time an effort is as you put

1537
01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:04,640
Speaker 1: in passion into harvest thing one of these animals, and

1538
01:13:04,720 --> 01:13:07,639
Speaker 1: then the money you put into having it properly mounted,

1539
01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:09,559
Speaker 1: you know, you take pride in it for the rest

1540
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:12,240
Speaker 1: of your life. It just it's really worth cleaning them

1541
01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:14,400
Speaker 1: with what I mentioned, even if you just do it

1542
01:13:14,840 --> 01:13:16,960
Speaker 1: a couple of times a year, you know, is there

1543
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:19,400
Speaker 1: any part of the you know, as I'm thinking about,

1544
01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:21,280
Speaker 1: you know, cleaning down my mounds and stuff, I always

1545
01:13:21,320 --> 01:13:24,200
Speaker 1: worry about messing something up on the face, the whiskers

1546
01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:26,040
Speaker 1: and the nose, the eyes, and I'm always afraid to

1547
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:28,040
Speaker 1: touch some of that stuff. Do you need to be

1548
01:13:28,160 --> 01:13:30,640
Speaker 1: especially careful when trying to clean that area or is

1549
01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:34,120
Speaker 1: it you know, am I over Am I getting over concerned? No,

1550
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:37,240
Speaker 1: it's not as fragile as you really think. I mean,

1551
01:13:37,320 --> 01:13:40,000
Speaker 1: the antlers are always set in really good. You don't

1552
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:42,000
Speaker 1: have to worry about those coming loose. The whiskers are

1553
01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:44,680
Speaker 1: set in. There's part of the tanning process. Um. I

1554
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:47,240
Speaker 1: don't think they're they're not as fragile as you might think.

1555
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:49,559
Speaker 1: You can dust off the nose, and you can take

1556
01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:52,439
Speaker 1: a dry clean ex and dust off the glass eyes. Um.

1557
01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:55,120
Speaker 1: And I think the biggest thing is when you handle amount.

1558
01:13:55,240 --> 01:13:58,680
Speaker 1: You see people getting your hands into the neck or

1559
01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:02,040
Speaker 1: the shoulder and they trying to hang them out back up,

1560
01:14:02,080 --> 01:14:03,800
Speaker 1: and they mess the hair up or they make the

1561
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:05,519
Speaker 1: hair go the wrong way, and then they're afraid to

1562
01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:09,160
Speaker 1: try to comb that back down. But you can take anything.

1563
01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:12,120
Speaker 1: You can take a brush, even your hand, even little

1564
01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:13,960
Speaker 1: spit on your hand, and you can wait that back

1565
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:16,320
Speaker 1: down because it's not gonna not gonna hurt anything. But

1566
01:14:16,439 --> 01:14:18,360
Speaker 1: it looks really bad when you see all these finger

1567
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:20,240
Speaker 1: marks and the hair from you know what you mean,

1568
01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:22,439
Speaker 1: from moving the deer around, trying to take it off

1569
01:14:22,479 --> 01:14:24,679
Speaker 1: the wall and put it back on the wall. Um. Yeah,

1570
01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:27,400
Speaker 1: I mean they're a lot tougher I think than a

1571
01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:29,240
Speaker 1: lot of people think. You get them on the wall

1572
01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:31,320
Speaker 1: and they're afraid to touch them. But if you dust

1573
01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:33,400
Speaker 1: off the nose and dust off the eyes and take it.

1574
01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:36,200
Speaker 1: You can actually dust the whole animal if it's not

1575
01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:38,800
Speaker 1: hanging too high right on the wall, you know, so,

1576
01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:41,519
Speaker 1: or you can take them down and do it too. So. Yeah,

1577
01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:43,519
Speaker 1: you just shouldn't have to worry about things like that,

1578
01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:45,519
Speaker 1: like with the nose and the lists and that mark.

1579
01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:47,479
Speaker 1: It's good to know. Now here's the other one that

1580
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:50,479
Speaker 1: I've heard from some people is direct sunlight. Do do

1581
01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:52,400
Speaker 1: you need to worry about having your mouths in place

1582
01:14:52,439 --> 01:14:54,000
Speaker 1: that they're gonna get a ton of sun? Will it

1583
01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:57,400
Speaker 1: will fade them in any kind of way? That sure will.

1584
01:14:57,479 --> 01:15:00,439
Speaker 1: I've seen I've seen black there's they're half and half

1585
01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:02,200
Speaker 1: black that have sat in front of a window or

1586
01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:04,880
Speaker 1: in front of a sliding glass door. Um, the UV

1587
01:15:05,320 --> 01:15:07,760
Speaker 1: race from sunlight is one of the worst things on

1588
01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:10,640
Speaker 1: a mount before dear, it's gonna take longer. But if

1589
01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:13,439
Speaker 1: you did the same thing with like a fireplace, you

1590
01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:16,240
Speaker 1: don't really want to put a mount like directly over

1591
01:15:16,360 --> 01:15:18,720
Speaker 1: where it's really going to change the temperature. You know,

1592
01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:20,680
Speaker 1: right over a fireplace where the heat comes off, you

1593
01:15:20,760 --> 01:15:23,840
Speaker 1: might change the temperature thirties agrees right there. You can

1594
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:26,439
Speaker 1: have a mountain near a fireplace off to one side,

1595
01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:29,160
Speaker 1: but rate directly above it and lower is a bad thing.

1596
01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:31,800
Speaker 1: And also right in front of a window like you

1597
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:33,880
Speaker 1: were talking about the you know, on the south side

1598
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:35,559
Speaker 1: of a house or something where you get a lot

1599
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:38,439
Speaker 1: of drug sunlight, you can see the fading that happens.

1600
01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:40,920
Speaker 1: Smoke is the other thing. A cigarette smoke is not

1601
01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:43,439
Speaker 1: good for him either. But yeah, drug sunlight is not

1602
01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:46,800
Speaker 1: something that you really it's not good for any mount. Yeah,

1603
01:15:49,560 --> 01:15:54,840
Speaker 1: good thing, It's not a problem for me. Um Man.

1604
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:57,639
Speaker 1: This is this has been some interesting stuff. I've got

1605
01:15:57,800 --> 01:16:01,400
Speaker 1: one more question for you, dance and taxidermy related. But

1606
01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:04,559
Speaker 1: but Dallas Dan Johnson over there, do you have any

1607
01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:07,560
Speaker 1: final taxidermy questions. There's something that you're thinking of that

1608
01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:09,240
Speaker 1: hunters have been curious about when it comes a tax

1609
01:16:09,320 --> 01:16:11,920
Speaker 1: deermy that we haven't covered yet. For Dan, Yeah, I mean,

1610
01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:16,960
Speaker 1: you know, obviously having a shoulder mount is not cheap

1611
01:16:17,479 --> 01:16:22,280
Speaker 1: for the for some guys. All right, um so I

1612
01:16:22,439 --> 01:16:26,920
Speaker 1: have two deer that are euro mounted. Um how much

1613
01:16:28,400 --> 01:16:30,120
Speaker 1: what goes into that? What do you need to do?

1614
01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:32,680
Speaker 1: I mean that's there's a little bit less maintenance and

1615
01:16:33,080 --> 01:16:36,160
Speaker 1: less care needed before they bring them to you. How

1616
01:16:36,439 --> 01:16:38,760
Speaker 1: do you do that? You mean, well, how do I

1617
01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:42,000
Speaker 1: go about doing the process of your European mounting a

1618
01:16:42,080 --> 01:16:45,680
Speaker 1: deer skull? Yeah, okay, yeah, you know the best thing

1619
01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:47,320
Speaker 1: for that if you're gonna have one of those done.

1620
01:16:47,320 --> 01:16:49,800
Speaker 1: A lot of people think, well, I'm not gonna shoulder mounts,

1621
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:52,200
Speaker 1: so they again a lot except for three or four

1622
01:16:52,280 --> 01:16:54,240
Speaker 1: months or three or four weeks, and then it rocks

1623
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:56,200
Speaker 1: and then they bring it to your rotting rotten with

1624
01:16:56,320 --> 01:16:58,439
Speaker 1: still the skin and the flesh and all the tissue

1625
01:16:58,439 --> 01:17:01,360
Speaker 1: still attached. That is okay to a certain point, but

1626
01:17:01,479 --> 01:17:04,439
Speaker 1: what happened the longer it fits like that, as it rocks,

1627
01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:08,040
Speaker 1: the bone will actually absorb that that blood even though

1628
01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:10,720
Speaker 1: it's been that way since you know, the entire time

1629
01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:14,080
Speaker 1: the animal is living, it's it doesn't absorb the blood

1630
01:17:14,120 --> 01:17:16,960
Speaker 1: and tell us dead, and then it starts absorbing that blood.

1631
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:19,080
Speaker 1: And then what happens is no matter how good of

1632
01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:22,280
Speaker 1: a job your text romus does on cleaning it, cleaning

1633
01:17:22,320 --> 01:17:24,439
Speaker 1: the skull off, and then bleaching it and not actually

1634
01:17:24,479 --> 01:17:28,800
Speaker 1: bleaching it, but peroxyding it, getting it whitened and degreased. Sometimes,

1635
01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:30,640
Speaker 1: depending on how it's taking care of, you can have

1636
01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:33,080
Speaker 1: a little bit of a yellow staining, so it's always

1637
01:17:33,160 --> 01:17:36,839
Speaker 1: best to even if you're just going to European the animal,

1638
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:38,560
Speaker 1: put it in the freezer until you take it to

1639
01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:40,200
Speaker 1: the tax germ. And so what I do is I

1640
01:17:40,280 --> 01:17:42,439
Speaker 1: actually put them in a brine. I skin them off,

1641
01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:44,800
Speaker 1: clean as much of the tissue off as I can't

1642
01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:47,880
Speaker 1: take the bottom job off, and then I put him

1643
01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:49,880
Speaker 1: in a brine and then I heat them up. I

1644
01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:52,280
Speaker 1: don't actually boil them, heat them up, and then I

1645
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:54,280
Speaker 1: use a power washer and that's how I do it.

1646
01:17:54,360 --> 01:17:56,720
Speaker 1: I powerwash them and then I have a degreaser and

1647
01:17:56,800 --> 01:17:58,439
Speaker 1: then I have a whitener that goes on him. And

1648
01:17:58,479 --> 01:18:03,280
Speaker 1: then I put a polycurlic flap seal over the European

1649
01:18:03,320 --> 01:18:05,479
Speaker 1: mount when it's all dry. And what that does is

1650
01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:07,920
Speaker 1: it keeps it from like I said, if you have

1651
01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:09,840
Speaker 1: it in the spot where it has drug, sunlight, or

1652
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:13,040
Speaker 1: people smoke or people touch it the dust or anything.

1653
01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:15,479
Speaker 1: The bone is so poorous that it can see seep

1654
01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:17,519
Speaker 1: into that bone. But if you put the seal on

1655
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:19,840
Speaker 1: it when it's all done, that actually keeps the bone.

1656
01:18:20,240 --> 01:18:23,479
Speaker 1: It's not a white seal, it's just a clear flat

1657
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:26,960
Speaker 1: seal that protects that bone the skull from you know,

1658
01:18:27,080 --> 01:18:31,320
Speaker 1: being having fingerprints or getting dust that folks into it

1659
01:18:31,479 --> 01:18:33,680
Speaker 1: keeps it from yellowing over the years. So that's how

1660
01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:36,519
Speaker 1: we go about it. Is that something and I know

1661
01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:41,080
Speaker 1: this is um. You know, of course, you know it's

1662
01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:44,000
Speaker 1: gonna be done better by professional like you. And if

1663
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:45,200
Speaker 1: you can do it, that's a great way to do it.

1664
01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:47,599
Speaker 1: But if if someone doesn't have the means to get

1665
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:51,240
Speaker 1: a deer professionally mounted, whither shoulder mount or your amount

1666
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:54,680
Speaker 1: is is a your amount feasible as a d I

1667
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:57,120
Speaker 1: Y type of thing? Can the average Joe get the

1668
01:18:57,200 --> 01:18:59,200
Speaker 1: information to actually pull it off and look good? Or

1669
01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:01,360
Speaker 1: is it? Is it turn up pretty tacky if you

1670
01:19:01,400 --> 01:19:04,680
Speaker 1: try that. No, I've seen everything. I've seen guys that

1671
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:07,439
Speaker 1: have brought me euro amounts that other text tums have

1672
01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:10,360
Speaker 1: done and you can't imagine that they paid to have

1673
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:12,559
Speaker 1: it done. It's that bad. But then you see guys

1674
01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:14,680
Speaker 1: that do it on their own and they do a

1675
01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:16,400
Speaker 1: really good job. So I think it all comes to

1676
01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:20,160
Speaker 1: doing your research ahead of time and you know knowing

1677
01:19:20,280 --> 01:19:23,200
Speaker 1: what to expect when you run into certain problems. But

1678
01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:25,479
Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing that gets that they do

1679
01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:28,000
Speaker 1: wrong is number one, let them rock. That's a bad

1680
01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:31,240
Speaker 1: thing for him. It makes the bone um fragile and

1681
01:19:31,320 --> 01:19:33,400
Speaker 1: it stains that. The other thing is is people if

1682
01:19:33,439 --> 01:19:35,479
Speaker 1: they do cook them, they overcook them and then you

1683
01:19:35,560 --> 01:19:37,559
Speaker 1: get the loose teeth and you lose all the detail

1684
01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:40,519
Speaker 1: up and the nasal cavity and then the roster and

1685
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:42,800
Speaker 1: bones start loosening up. And you know what I'm saying,

1686
01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:45,320
Speaker 1: So overheating them is a bad thing, and letting them

1687
01:19:45,439 --> 01:19:47,559
Speaker 1: rock is a bad thing. But yeah, a lot of guys,

1688
01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:49,479
Speaker 1: that's one of the things a lot of hunters take

1689
01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:52,760
Speaker 1: pride in is trying to euro your euro amount or

1690
01:19:53,040 --> 01:19:55,439
Speaker 1: skull amount their own animals. And I've seen them do

1691
01:19:55,760 --> 01:19:58,400
Speaker 1: you know, really good jobs on them. And like I said,

1692
01:19:58,439 --> 01:20:00,960
Speaker 1: I've seen some that you know what I'm saying, It

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01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:03,600
Speaker 1: looks like they found it in the woods. Did you

1694
01:20:03,680 --> 01:20:06,360
Speaker 1: see this with any kind of amount? You see both

1695
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:08,960
Speaker 1: extremes of it. But that's definitely something a lot of

1696
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:11,479
Speaker 1: the hunters will try to do themselves and take pride in.

1697
01:20:11,600 --> 01:20:13,320
Speaker 1: And I think, you know, doing it yourself like that,

1698
01:20:13,479 --> 01:20:15,680
Speaker 1: you do take pride in the fact that, no matter

1699
01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:18,479
Speaker 1: how it turns out, you did it yourself. You know. Um,

1700
01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:20,600
Speaker 1: I think that's more sold than trying to do a

1701
01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:24,720
Speaker 1: shoulder mount on your own. Yeah. Yeah, that's pretty cool. Um.

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01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:27,439
Speaker 1: So here's the final thing I want to close this,

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01:20:27,880 --> 01:20:32,040
Speaker 1: uh this episode with You are one of my favorite

1704
01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:35,120
Speaker 1: people to just talk dear stories with whenever I come in.

1705
01:20:35,200 --> 01:20:37,760
Speaker 1: You've always got a good story to tell, either someone

1706
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:40,320
Speaker 1: that came in the shop or maybe you and I

1707
01:20:40,479 --> 01:20:43,280
Speaker 1: know that you have a really great deer hunting story

1708
01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:47,680
Speaker 1: that happened to you recently, Um with a couple, you know,

1709
01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:50,800
Speaker 1: a bow hunting encounter and thing go on, and then

1710
01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:53,160
Speaker 1: something happened in firearm. Would you be willing to share

1711
01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:56,439
Speaker 1: with us the story of your buck that you killed recently? Oh? Yeah, yeah,

1712
01:20:56,479 --> 01:21:00,800
Speaker 1: definitely pretty good at telling that, so right now, yeah

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01:21:00,920 --> 01:21:03,800
Speaker 1: that uh you're talking Mark about this year the one

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01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:07,479
Speaker 1: that I yep. Okay, So the Tuesday before the deer season,

1715
01:21:07,560 --> 01:21:09,840
Speaker 1: there was a deer that we were everybody in the

1716
01:21:09,880 --> 01:21:13,559
Speaker 1: neighborhood was was on their wish list. We had velvet

1717
01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:16,519
Speaker 1: footage of him and we've been seeing him during early

1718
01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:19,320
Speaker 1: bowl season and I finally got a crack at him

1719
01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:22,000
Speaker 1: with my bowl and I thought I hit him really

1720
01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:26,160
Speaker 1: really good and we tracked three or four I two

1721
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:29,599
Speaker 1: kipty yards really great blood trail anyway, we never we've

1722
01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:32,639
Speaker 1: even brought Andy Bradley in with his dog, and Dustin

1723
01:21:32,720 --> 01:21:34,840
Speaker 1: Hopskin came and helped us. And we looked, and I

1724
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:36,560
Speaker 1: looked for three or four more days and I was

1725
01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:40,200
Speaker 1: positive I had that deer. Was they're dead somewhere. Well,

1726
01:21:40,280 --> 01:21:43,559
Speaker 1: then on that Saturday before the season, the four team,

1727
01:21:44,280 --> 01:21:46,880
Speaker 1: my eleven year old nephew who shot the hundred sixty

1728
01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:49,560
Speaker 1: nine inch buck last year, had a crack at this

1729
01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:52,720
Speaker 1: beer with a bowl. And you know how it is.

1730
01:21:52,840 --> 01:21:54,920
Speaker 1: You might shoot at twenty beer in a row and

1731
01:21:55,040 --> 01:21:58,000
Speaker 1: find get all twenty, and you know, have great success,

1732
01:21:58,200 --> 01:22:00,639
Speaker 1: and then you have a little street the bad luck

1733
01:22:00,720 --> 01:22:03,439
Speaker 1: and it doesn't turn out that way. Well, Ross had

1734
01:22:03,479 --> 01:22:05,800
Speaker 1: shot the deer and shot him in the back hip

1735
01:22:06,040 --> 01:22:08,120
Speaker 1: or in the back she right in the hamright underneath

1736
01:22:08,160 --> 01:22:11,280
Speaker 1: the tail. And we tracked it on that Saturday and

1737
01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:13,000
Speaker 1: we watched we found the deer and he was out

1738
01:22:13,040 --> 01:22:15,400
Speaker 1: there chasing those. So now we see it's the same

1739
01:22:15,439 --> 01:22:18,760
Speaker 1: exact deer I had shot on Tuesday. So now this

1740
01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:22,320
Speaker 1: animal has been wounded with a bow on Tuesday and

1741
01:22:22,439 --> 01:22:25,320
Speaker 1: again on Saturday, and he still chasing those. Looks no

1742
01:22:25,479 --> 01:22:28,519
Speaker 1: worse for the wear and then on opening day a

1743
01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:31,599
Speaker 1: gun season, I took my daughter, my eight year old

1744
01:22:31,680 --> 01:22:34,400
Speaker 1: daughter with me in the morning, we sat till noon,

1745
01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:36,920
Speaker 1: didn't see a beer, and then had a couple of

1746
01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:39,640
Speaker 1: customers show up. And then when they left that afternoon,

1747
01:22:40,200 --> 01:22:42,240
Speaker 1: my daughter, George and my eleven year old and myself

1748
01:22:42,320 --> 01:22:45,439
Speaker 1: went out and I was hoping to see just a

1749
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:47,840
Speaker 1: good buck for her. And we look out and we

1750
01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:50,479
Speaker 1: spopped this big ten point and it happens to be

1751
01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:53,599
Speaker 1: the one that me and my nephew had both had

1752
01:22:53,640 --> 01:22:57,240
Speaker 1: tracks that with a bow. So we're trying to I'm

1753
01:22:57,439 --> 01:23:00,920
Speaker 1: trying to settle myself down, uh to get Georgia on

1754
01:23:01,040 --> 01:23:04,599
Speaker 1: the shot of this deer, and she was determined she's

1755
01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:06,920
Speaker 1: not gonna shoot because I don't know what, I don't

1756
01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:09,000
Speaker 1: know why, but she wouldn't take the gun and take

1757
01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:10,960
Speaker 1: a shot at it. So for about two hours, we're

1758
01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:14,080
Speaker 1: waiting for the sun to go down behind the uh

1759
01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:16,320
Speaker 1: the rising because it was right in her eyes. We

1760
01:23:16,400 --> 01:23:19,120
Speaker 1: couldn't see the deer in the scope. And I finally

1761
01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:21,280
Speaker 1: decided that she's not gonna shoot. I'm gonna shoot, and

1762
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:24,840
Speaker 1: I shoot in my gun jams and I have to

1763
01:23:25,160 --> 01:23:27,960
Speaker 1: slam the gun down on the base of the stand

1764
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:29,800
Speaker 1: and make the shell come out. And I shoot again,

1765
01:23:29,920 --> 01:23:31,760
Speaker 1: and the sun's in my eyes. So I look at

1766
01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:35,000
Speaker 1: Georgia and anyway, mark I ended up. It took. I

1767
01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:38,519
Speaker 1: grabbed her muzzleloader because she won't shoot he muzzleloader. I'm

1768
01:23:38,520 --> 01:23:41,840
Speaker 1: out of shells now and shoot again. I miss a

1769
01:23:41,920 --> 01:23:44,919
Speaker 1: fourth time. Now I'm losing my confidence. She's shaking, shivering

1770
01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:47,639
Speaker 1: so bad, which is making you know, you think you're

1771
01:23:47,640 --> 01:23:52,120
Speaker 1: such a seasoned hunter, and uh, it's amazing. What when

1772
01:23:52,200 --> 01:23:55,080
Speaker 1: things start going wrong, how you fall apart? And then

1773
01:23:55,360 --> 01:23:58,240
Speaker 1: I wanted I found one last shell in my pocket.

1774
01:23:58,320 --> 01:24:00,400
Speaker 1: I stood up and I was begging Georgia the shoot.

1775
01:24:00,479 --> 01:24:03,200
Speaker 1: She wouldn't, and nice took one last shot at it

1776
01:24:03,400 --> 01:24:06,000
Speaker 1: and dropped it. And Dustin come over that night and

1777
01:24:06,640 --> 01:24:08,920
Speaker 1: help me find it, and sure enough it was. At

1778
01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:11,040
Speaker 1: the time, I wasn't sure it was the same deer,

1779
01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:13,400
Speaker 1: but then when we've seen where the arrow two arrow

1780
01:24:13,479 --> 01:24:16,040
Speaker 1: wounds were, we realized it was the same beer. So

1781
01:24:16,200 --> 01:24:18,720
Speaker 1: it was a good close to the story. And it

1782
01:24:18,840 --> 01:24:21,479
Speaker 1: was neat too, because Dustin came out with his wife

1783
01:24:21,560 --> 01:24:22,880
Speaker 1: and their two kids, and we had all of our

1784
01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:25,880
Speaker 1: kids and we're out and basically muskrat habitat somewhere you'd

1785
01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:28,920
Speaker 1: find must but not here looking for this deer. And

1786
01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:31,080
Speaker 1: Dustin is looking at me like I'm out of my mind.

1787
01:24:31,240 --> 01:24:33,519
Speaker 1: And we're trying to pull Olivia out of the swamps.

1788
01:24:33,560 --> 01:24:35,240
Speaker 1: Sure boots are stuck in the swamps. She's got a

1789
01:24:35,320 --> 01:24:38,240
Speaker 1: six month old baby in her little your Carrie, you know,

1790
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:41,040
Speaker 1: carry sling. And I'm thinking this is just a bunch

1791
01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:44,560
Speaker 1: of crazy, this crazy family here helping me get this

1792
01:24:44,680 --> 01:24:46,880
Speaker 1: deer out of here. But uh, it was. It's a

1793
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:49,720
Speaker 1: something all that will remember for sure. Oh yeah, well

1794
01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:52,679
Speaker 1: that's a that's a heck of a story and picture

1795
01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:56,880
Speaker 1: proof for a perfect example of perseverance paying off. I mean,

1796
01:24:57,760 --> 01:25:00,160
Speaker 1: sticking with it. I remember when you told me out

1797
01:25:00,160 --> 01:25:02,640
Speaker 1: the bow hunting incident where you got the shot and

1798
01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:04,840
Speaker 1: you were so determined to find that deer, and you

1799
01:25:05,080 --> 01:25:06,479
Speaker 1: were you know, I remember talking to you and you

1800
01:25:06,560 --> 01:25:08,840
Speaker 1: were just so dead set in the fact that the

1801
01:25:08,920 --> 01:25:10,640
Speaker 1: shot was good. You had to find him, and you

1802
01:25:10,720 --> 01:25:13,439
Speaker 1: kept on going in their searching, searching, and you know,

1803
01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:15,400
Speaker 1: it's it's great to hear someone keep putting in that

1804
01:25:15,479 --> 01:25:18,160
Speaker 1: effort to find that deer and keep doing everything they

1805
01:25:18,200 --> 01:25:20,600
Speaker 1: possibly can defind it and and lo and behold he

1806
01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:23,920
Speaker 1: somehow survived another shot and then in the end he

1807
01:25:24,040 --> 01:25:26,360
Speaker 1: end up getting getting the shot with your gun with

1808
01:25:26,439 --> 01:25:29,240
Speaker 1: your daughter. That's that's pretty awesome. There was a couple

1809
01:25:29,240 --> 01:25:31,840
Speaker 1: of sleepless nights there for sure. You just, uh, you

1810
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:33,400
Speaker 1: know how it is. I think we've all I've heard

1811
01:25:33,439 --> 01:25:36,000
Speaker 1: you on some of your podcast talk about, Um, you

1812
01:25:36,080 --> 01:25:37,960
Speaker 1: know you as a hunter, you have to be able

1813
01:25:37,960 --> 01:25:41,000
Speaker 1: to accept that part of it, maybe wounding a deer,

1814
01:25:41,080 --> 01:25:43,120
Speaker 1: and you know, you put all your efforts, so much

1815
01:25:43,160 --> 01:25:45,960
Speaker 1: effort into it, and you know, you just it's it's

1816
01:25:45,960 --> 01:25:48,240
Speaker 1: a tough thing you have to accept. And I'm glad

1817
01:25:48,320 --> 01:25:50,360
Speaker 1: the way this turned out, but uh, you know, it

1818
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:53,400
Speaker 1: doesn't always turn out that way. So yeah, yeah, that's

1819
01:25:53,520 --> 01:25:57,360
Speaker 1: that's the truth. We've we've all been there, so Dan,

1820
01:25:57,479 --> 01:25:59,719
Speaker 1: this is this has been great. I've really enjoyed this chat.

1821
01:26:00,200 --> 01:26:02,840
Speaker 1: And UM, I guess the only final thing I have

1822
01:26:02,920 --> 01:26:06,000
Speaker 1: to ask you is, if there's anyone listening now who's

1823
01:26:06,160 --> 01:26:08,519
Speaker 1: got a buck they want some help with, how can

1824
01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:10,439
Speaker 1: they get ahold of you? If they're in the Michigan

1825
01:26:10,479 --> 01:26:12,320
Speaker 1: area or anywhere around here. I'm not sure how far

1826
01:26:12,479 --> 01:26:14,720
Speaker 1: you you know, you work with people. But if someone

1827
01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:17,320
Speaker 1: wants to learn more about you and Nature's Pride taxidermy,

1828
01:26:17,720 --> 01:26:21,479
Speaker 1: how can they learn more? Um, we have a Facebook page,

1829
01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:24,920
Speaker 1: It's Nature's Pride Facebook. You can follow us on that. UM.

1830
01:26:25,360 --> 01:26:28,720
Speaker 1: Nature's Pride dot net is our website. And then we

1831
01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:31,720
Speaker 1: also have a phone number. UM, if that's something you

1832
01:26:31,760 --> 01:26:34,560
Speaker 1: want me to to you can look up and I

1833
01:26:34,600 --> 01:26:37,120
Speaker 1: don't I think the phone number beyond the website two

1834
01:26:37,160 --> 01:26:40,160
Speaker 1: of Nature's probably dot net. Um, So those are the

1835
01:26:40,240 --> 01:26:42,000
Speaker 1: two main ways to get ahold of us. You can

1836
01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:45,880
Speaker 1: email through the Nature's probably dot net and through Facebook.

1837
01:26:46,120 --> 01:26:48,840
Speaker 1: So perfect, all right, Well, we will will include those

1838
01:26:48,920 --> 01:26:52,760
Speaker 1: links on wired hunt. Some people want to check that out,

1839
01:26:52,840 --> 01:26:57,240
Speaker 1: they can thank Yeah, absolutely, I think that's that's gonna

1840
01:26:57,280 --> 01:26:59,080
Speaker 1: do it for us. Dan, thank you so much for

1841
01:26:59,200 --> 01:27:02,280
Speaker 1: joining us and your insight. You know, as a taxidermist,

1842
01:27:02,320 --> 01:27:04,280
Speaker 1: it's it's something that we all, a lot of us

1843
01:27:04,280 --> 01:27:06,000
Speaker 1: hopefully hope to deal with. We hope to be able

1844
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:08,920
Speaker 1: to work with the taxidermist, but we never necessarily know

1845
01:27:09,080 --> 01:27:11,040
Speaker 1: what we're getting into beforehand unless you have a lot

1846
01:27:11,040 --> 01:27:13,160
Speaker 1: of experience. So I think I think you've been able

1847
01:27:13,160 --> 01:27:14,680
Speaker 1: to help a lot of people here today. Dan so

1848
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:17,439
Speaker 1: so thank you so much. Well, thank you Mark. Yeah,

1849
01:27:17,479 --> 01:27:20,240
Speaker 1: I've enjoyed it, and good talking to you Dan too. Yep,

1850
01:27:20,479 --> 01:27:24,680
Speaker 1: thanks for coming on the show. Surely. All right, we'll

1851
01:27:24,680 --> 01:27:26,120
Speaker 1: have a good one and good luck with the rest

1852
01:27:26,120 --> 01:27:28,320
Speaker 1: of the season. Dane, you two guys, thank you very much.

1853
01:27:28,439 --> 01:27:32,160
Speaker 1: All right, bye bye, good bye. Alright, So there you

1854
01:27:32,479 --> 01:27:36,519
Speaker 1: have it. Another episode is in the books. And before

1855
01:27:36,560 --> 01:27:38,240
Speaker 1: we do wrap this whole thing up, though, I do

1856
01:27:38,360 --> 01:27:41,800
Speaker 1: want to make a couple of quick updates. First, we

1857
01:27:41,960 --> 01:27:46,120
Speaker 1: do have that new Wired Hunt gear available and f

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1859
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Speaker 1: kind of some tech issues on the website over the

1860
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Speaker 1: past couple of weeks that have made it kind of

1861
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Speaker 1: tough to purchase some of that gear. So if you

1862
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1863
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1873
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1874
01:28:35,360 --> 01:28:37,639
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