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Speaker 1: Welcome in. It is ball ball, and we're here coming

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Speaker 1: off an unbelievable national church. That the kind of game

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Speaker 1: that I still kind of don't know what happened, right,

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Speaker 1: You don't know what now you know that thing gets

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Speaker 1: out of controling such a bit. So here's what I

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Speaker 1: want to do and bring back. He's the new head coach.

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Speaker 1: Word Washington. His thoughts. He coached against both these teams,

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Speaker 1: he saw the running against. So that for their due recap,

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Speaker 1: the national championship given some person prostitutes is a new

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Speaker 1: that coach George Washington. Yeah, well, um, I would say

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Speaker 1: we've never seen that before from Kansas last night. Um.

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Speaker 1: But then the gentleman who knows you right now saw

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Speaker 1: it from Kansas. Um. First, let me get to last

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Speaker 1: let me get to last night. Okay, uh what first?

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Speaker 1: What do you think of the first tex Yeah? I mean, um,

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Speaker 1: and I gotta be honest stuck. I was. I was

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Speaker 1: watching and returning text to people at the same time.

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Speaker 1: So when Kansas jumps out, UM, I I started to

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Speaker 1: feel like, Okay, they're they're they're in control and they're

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Speaker 1: playing you know, I uh what I thought, what I

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Speaker 1: is I mean, the guards for Carolina have been so

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Speaker 1: um Mac has been like like the consistent one obviously,

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Speaker 1: but I think what's gotten Carolina at the point where

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Speaker 1: they were so good at the end of the year

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Speaker 1: is the consistency of guard play. As the season we're on,

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Speaker 1: they were making big plays, big shots off the dribble,

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Speaker 1: So you started to see some of that with Bacon

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Speaker 1: first half ever foul and just being somewhat dominant, and

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking myself, Jesus, I mean, this is like their

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Speaker 1: Kansas to the other side, that's that first half is

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Speaker 1: what it looked like against Kentucky where they weren't rebounding,

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Speaker 1: We're getting beasted on boards, and then they weren't getting

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Speaker 1: back defensively, and then they just they felt like they

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Speaker 1: all got spent off offensively. Christian Bron's driving to try

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Speaker 1: And here's the similarity to the Kentucky game. I I

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Speaker 1: end of the first half. And I don't know if

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Speaker 1: like jail and cool. He he went emptied his bench.

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Speaker 1: Kind he was trying. Yeah, he was trying. He was looking.

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Speaker 1: It was just like pushing buttons a little bit um.

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Speaker 1: And I thought Carolina was playing, and I think Hubert

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Speaker 1: a sudden they not defensively and physically Yeah yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: So what did you see? Obviously there's an energy change,

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Speaker 1: but what did you see schematically changed? What What do

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Speaker 1: you think Bill did adjustment wise in the second would

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Speaker 1: you notice differently? Yeah? You know, I and again a

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Speaker 1: preface this by saying, and I was texting a lot

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Speaker 1: during this time, you know, as you can imagine. But

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Speaker 1: one thing that stood out is Charles said at halftime

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Speaker 1: That wasn't the answer, right, and so not not so

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Speaker 1: They made a couple of threes that that were critical

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Speaker 1: And then the crazy play where Kansas is up three.

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Speaker 1: to a bunch of Bill's practices and a bunch of

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Speaker 1: Bill shot arounds. And one of the things he does

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Speaker 1: but he makes them practice when he calls odd angle inbounds,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to see how. I don't see how

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Speaker 1: he wants up catching it. It was like, yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: by the way he put in the cycle and play.

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Speaker 1: Did you see that? You know? Wi you know, everyone

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Speaker 1: so so I didn't see that at the stouting power. No, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: never thought and I think McCormick got it blocked or

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Speaker 1: put it in for the game, Like damn, good for him. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: on that other sideline. Granted is an assistant coach, but

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Speaker 1: what's that like all of a sudden the momentum switches

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Speaker 1: like it did feel like Hubert I felt like he

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Speaker 1: But you've you've in there, right, you guys. It was

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Speaker 1: He only played five minutes and the second half against

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Speaker 1: Guess what is that like in terms of you sitting

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Speaker 1: What's that like? Yeah? I mean I think Look, you know,

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Speaker 1: the same stuff. So it's it's one thing to be

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Speaker 1: that's really okay. So how much of what you're gonna

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Speaker 1: things that you feel very comfortable teaching. I think it's

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Speaker 1: always better as a coach, right if sometimes the scheme

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Speaker 1: and then I think you've got um everybody else. What

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00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,080
Speaker 1: I found is is not that far off from each

428
00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:52,960
Speaker 1: other talent wise. The seriousness of approach to becoming a

429
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:57,160
Speaker 1: really good player was the differentiator. You know, like if

430
00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,320
Speaker 1: you think about and maybe going back to your career

431
00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:00,960
Speaker 1: and it was like, you know, hey, there were some

432
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,320
Speaker 1: guys probably the Big twelve at that time, or you know,

433
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,040
Speaker 1: like you knew maybe guys at Kansas or whatever. But

434
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,880
Speaker 1: then everybody else, it was you could figure out who

435
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:14,960
Speaker 1: is positional, size, speed, athleticism, skill would have you who

436
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:16,960
Speaker 1: were the guys that were serious about being really you know,

437
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,240
Speaker 1: dave On Reid comes to mind, who plays for the Nuggets.

438
00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:22,360
Speaker 1: He was a guy he was like, he had measurables,

439
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 1: he had skill. He was ranked a hundred or something

440
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,040
Speaker 1: like that, you know, so it wasn't that much different

441
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:30,760
Speaker 1: than maybe him and the guy who's ranked fifty. You

442
00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:32,960
Speaker 1: could kind of toss the coin. But when you could

443
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,239
Speaker 1: tell about Dave and was seriousness of approach, like this

444
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:36,960
Speaker 1: is a guy who like wants to be a really

445
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,200
Speaker 1: good player, is going to be diligent and all those things.

446
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,160
Speaker 1: Ultimately you can win with that guy, and that guy

447
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,479
Speaker 1: goes from being number hundred to being drafted and kind

448
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,359
Speaker 1: of hanging in the NBA here over the last five years.

449
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,320
Speaker 1: So that was the thing for me to sort of understand,

450
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 1: you know. I also thought, there's the world is full

451
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 1: of like going up from CIA or whatever and then

452
00:22:56,840 --> 00:23:01,200
Speaker 1: transfer world. The world's full of six to combo guards

453
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 1: that can probably get ten points a game at the

454
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 1: high major level, but can't help you win because who

455
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:10,679
Speaker 1: do they guard if they can't play the point and

456
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,119
Speaker 1: they can only guard the point, and you're playing against

457
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 1: Duke and they've got wings that are six six and

458
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:19,439
Speaker 1: six eight and he's six too, what does he guard? Yeah, no,

459
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:23,159
Speaker 1: it's and the people I think they just look at

460
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 1: box scores. I look at total points, and that does

461
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 1: not I actually thought, you know, like, but let me

462
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:30,440
Speaker 1: just go back to last night. Oboji is the m

463
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 1: v P and I thought my cork was great, But

464
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:37,720
Speaker 1: what Obaji did defensively was unbelievable, Like he was remarkable defense.

465
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,919
Speaker 1: And that's really hard to quantify for somebody who's not

466
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:48,600
Speaker 1: really intently watching watching the game. Um. So, so you

467
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:52,160
Speaker 1: guys are building it, but what can be taken from

468
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:56,159
Speaker 1: Like you said, you saw mcdonaldall Americans at Miami. This

469
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 1: is not people forget Miamie did not have a basketball

470
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:05,399
Speaker 1: like twenty years right, non existent. Um and those facilities

471
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 1: dice and on campus again, it's not a college for

472
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 1: basketball town. Theer say, what's that? How did you? How

473
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 1: did you get that going? How do you the recruiting

474
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 1: machine going when you don't have a history, when you

475
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 1: have fan support, but it was a crazy fan support

476
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,919
Speaker 1: and you're in that league which is murderers, Bro, how

477
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 1: did you get that going? Yeah, it's funny. When coach

478
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 1: took the job, I think he thought it was a

479
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 1: really good league and then all of a sudden we

480
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,880
Speaker 1: had Louisville pit Noter Dame and Terracuse. You're like, oh

481
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 1: my god, like this just became a ridiculous league. And

482
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 1: uh no, I listen. I think, um first, as I said,

483
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 1: you gotta get a little lucky, right, you gotta you

484
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 1: gotta get off to a good start, and we had

485
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:46,879
Speaker 1: a core and then we had Shane and all of

486
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 1: a sudden, what I learned is at the mid major level,

487
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:52,920
Speaker 1: a lot of times it was selling what you have

488
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:57,680
Speaker 1: our facility or whatever, you know, our locker room and arena.

489
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 1: You know, when you get to the high major level,

490
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 1: everyone is so focused on being a pro style style

491
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 1: of play and and and development like, and so we

492
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 1: were able to tell this little development story starting with

493
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 1: the guys we inherited. So like Kenny Kaji goes from

494
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 1: being you know, doesn't really play at all, doesn't take

495
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,120
Speaker 1: a three, doesn't make a three in his first two

496
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,640
Speaker 1: years at Florida to making like sixty three's for us

497
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 1: his senior year, you know. And Shane Larkin goes from

498
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,159
Speaker 1: being nine eight on the list to be in the

499
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 1: eighteen pick in the draft, and you start to slowly

500
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 1: build that up and then um, you start to craft

501
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 1: a little bit of like, Okay, this is what our

502
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:43,880
Speaker 1: cel is, this is what this is what we can sell.

503
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 1: And Coach did such an unbelievable job and sort of

504
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 1: galvanizing the community. Uh, we started to get support. Our

505
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 1: administration began to support because they saw the success, and

506
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 1: I think coach became a guy that people looked at

507
00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 1: and said, wow, he seems like guys are having fun,

508
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 1: giving a lot of freedom, offensively, great location. And then

509
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,400
Speaker 1: I think the transfer thing. You know, we got very lucky.

510
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 1: We win the league and then we lose Shane to

511
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 1: the draft in like sixteen years, and then we got

512
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 1: Angel Rodriguez and Shelton McClellan to sit out, and so

513
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 1: the next group was just okay. We had an okay year,

514
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 1: a great group of guys, but we knew we had

515
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 1: Angel and Shane to all conference players sitting out and

516
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 1: and trying to develop them in the off season. I

517
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 1: mean in the in the in the red shirt year.

518
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 1: You also you also get a chance in practice. Most

519
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,919
Speaker 1: guys who transfer, they weren't the go to score, right,

520
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 1: they weren't playing enough wherever they were. That's why they

521
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 1: trans You know, some get in trouble raids, some get homesick,

522
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 1: and of course some transferrupt. Even the transfer up, I

523
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 1: think it helps because you assimilar to the speed athletics

524
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 1: and the morning like every red shirt we ever had

525
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 1: in practice, I've received practice the coach tiles and like

526
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,439
Speaker 1: you use everything one of these practices to try and

527
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 1: you know, try and be a killer, go get buckets.

528
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 1: It helps the level of your practice, right, but also

529
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 1: helps that guy kind of because what what what happens

530
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 1: oftentimes is you lose your confidence. You know, you just do.

531
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 1: You go to a place and you think you're really good,

532
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,160
Speaker 1: and then you don't play. And most of the time

533
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 1: it's your own fault. You're not playing like I'm not

534
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 1: I'm not omitting that, but whatever it is, you lose

535
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 1: your confidence and that year is needed to assimilate to

536
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: the school, to the program at his strength development, but

537
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 1: also regain your confidence. I think it's one of those

538
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 1: um I had a coach tell me it's called the

539
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: big called it the billis rule, right because you can

540
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 1: transport you want not sit out that somehow it's a

541
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 1: bad thing. I think we're totally missing the bota on

542
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,400
Speaker 1: that that part the portal was. The portal is rough.

543
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 1: But I think that having a guy sit out and

544
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 1: maintain that year, I would. I think it's just pushed

545
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 1: for that. I don't know where the pushback would be.

546
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,160
Speaker 1: It feels like more in the media than anything else.

547
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: You know, well, the coach leaves that a player, coaching

548
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 1: player or not people, it's not the same thing. Yeah,

549
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: And I think there's a question of what's right and

550
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not. I don't. I don't know what's right.

551
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: And I mean, I think the coach lead thing is

552
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 1: funny because I just signed a contract. Like there's there's

553
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 1: some financial repercussions if I just decided to walk away there, right,

554
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: but like you have you have you buy it, right

555
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: as a player doesn't have to do a playout and

556
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 1: now they don't have to sit out. That doesn't But

557
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 1: on the other hand, yeah, there's there are some benefits

558
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: of sitting out. And and my most concerned with graduation.

559
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, the five years all our

560
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: guys it was just they graduated, which is the ultimate

561
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 1: goal here. Who's the best? Give me the Give me

562
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 1: the best story of a guy who when you first recruited,

563
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: when he first got there, you're like, yikes. And then

564
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: four or five years later he walks and oh, I

565
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: mean your quand Newton he was a really good player

566
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 1: from Philly, ultimately scoring in the Philadelphia Catholic League. Um,

567
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: I love them, you know, Coach larn Aga, Uh, I

568
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,479
Speaker 1: mean it makes you almost here up when you talk

569
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 1: about it. But his mom came out his official visit,

570
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: and uh, she was a great lady and she you know,

571
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 1: Jaquan was from Philly, tough, a little bit of a

572
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: tough background him, and he was a great kid. And

573
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 1: his mom basically grabbed Mrs Laranagan and Coach Larnagan said like, hey,

574
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be here and like, no, I know,

575
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: like you're you're gonna be in Phillies. No, I have cancer.

576
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: You know, I'm I'm I'm probably not gonna be here,

577
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,239
Speaker 1: and you need you know, uh, you need you know

578
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,479
Speaker 1: if I send Kuan here, you're gonna have to take

579
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: care of him. And Jaquan's mom passed away. Um, I

580
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: think right before the state championship game, and he went

581
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: to practice. He played in the game and won the

582
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 1: state championship and he came to Miami and he scored

583
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: about twelve hundred points. We won like a hundred games

584
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: in the time he was here. He was a great,

585
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 1: great player for us. And uh, and yet you know,

586
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: like Kwan hated school, I'm not gonna if In fact,

587
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 1: it's funny he texted me the other day when we

588
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: got the job and said, hey, I'm coming on your staff.

589
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: I said, yeah, you're gonna be in charge of making

590
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: sure everybody goes to class. And you know he was laughing,

591
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: but uh, you know, I don't think there was a

592
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 1: dry eye in the house when we took pictures with

593
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: him with his cap and gown from you know, top

594
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: fifties school in the country. Uh, you know, the day graduation.

595
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: You know. So there's a lot of stories like that,

596
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: and you know that's what coach is so good at.

597
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 1: I mean, he's just you know, if I could be

598
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 1: that way for guys, I you know, that would be

599
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: that would be the success, right, more of the wins

600
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 1: and losses. You know, I'm saying that people should know

601
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: about Jim Laronega that's allowed him to be this successful

602
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: for this amount of time in the sport basketballs Well,

603
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, you know, let's he's got

604
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: seven I mean, he should be in the Hall of Fame.

605
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 1: He got seven hundred. He's gonna have seven hundred women's

606
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 1: plus when this is all over, whenever that is, and

607
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 1: he's done it at Poland Green George Mason in Miami,

608
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: you think, let's think about that, he's gone to you know,

609
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: the final four around the thirty two uh two Sweet

610
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 1: sixteen's Elite eight, Um, you know, just incredible. Uh, there's

611
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: nobody that loves basketball more than Jim Ernegie is a

612
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: great player. Uh. He he wakes up every day. He

613
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: has no hobbies. He likes going to movies. That's about it.

614
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: He's a basketball guy. He watches every game. Obviously, his

615
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: sons and assistant in the NBA watches like the NBA games,

616
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: He watches college games. He just has an incredible thirst

617
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: for knowledge, even at his age about you know, about

618
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: the game. And uh, that's just nobody that is more

619
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: of a basketball guy lifer uh than he. And his

620
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: ability to view the game from the perspective probably like

621
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: you have, like as a really good player, somebody who's

622
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 1: a good player, Like that's how he views the game.

623
00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: So I think it's very easy for guys to play

624
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: for him if you're a really good player. Jim Roneg

625
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: is like the guy you want to play for because

626
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: he's viewing it from the lens of of the really

627
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: good player. You know, he left Providence. He's like top

628
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: five in every category, you know. Um, so yeah, I

629
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: mean it's just his his his passion is unmatched for

630
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: for basketball. This is not this is not your first

631
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: head coaching interview, your first time. You got close. Yeah,

632
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: uh if if if a lot of the sister coaches

633
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: and this, if you were now that you've accomplished that

634
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: you've got the first head coaching job, what would your

635
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: advice be going into an interview with a zoo call? Yeah,

636
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: and I'm the wrong guy, right because like I, um,

637
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: I think being yourself and for me, it was the

638
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: only way I could do it. You know, Uh, I'm

639
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: much more of conversationalist. I guess like not, I don't

640
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 1: I'm not scripted. I'm probably not like as I don't know.

641
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: I didn't come in there with the whole portfolio polished. No, yeah,

642
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. Pop Paul is yeah, the portfolio. You're

643
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: right because I did that once and I walked away

644
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: on that wasn't me right as me as this? Yeah,

645
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: I mean like I I can I can pretty much

646
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: um and I'm not I can pretty much sit in

647
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: a room with almost anybody. UM. And I've got friends

648
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: in all walks of life and I think that people

649
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: know that about me. But uh, if I go in

650
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: there and try to uh script something that's that's not

651
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: gonna be as good. And uh, I always felt like

652
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 1: if you were yourself, they were either going to like

653
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 1: you or they didn't or they didn't like you, and

654
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: that was that. You know, I was never trying to

655
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: fool anybody or trick anybody, you know, into into hiring me.

656
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: So it was like, it's not arrogant, it's just I'm

657
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 1: not good at not being me, So I just didn't try.

658
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know that that's good advice, by

659
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: the way, I'm no, I actually think it's obviously think

660
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: I actually think it's fantastic a much because so often

661
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 1: times people want to know, like what's the what's the secret?

662
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: And you know, my thing was, whenever I've interviewed it,

663
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:17,359
Speaker 1: I understand there's always going to be fighting theav and coach.

664
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:19,919
Speaker 1: So you try and present to them like Okay, well

665
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 1: here's how it would look and here's how it feels.

666
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: But it has to I'm just you know, it's like

667
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 1: it loses who I am and what I am as

668
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: a communicator. When it's like you said, like you can

669
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: sit around with anybody and talk with anybody and find

670
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 1: some sort of common ground and an ability to have

671
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,359
Speaker 1: a conversation and related to why they should be kind

672
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: of in on you. Uh, are your parents still alive? Yes,

673
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 1: still alive? You you got the job dad? Mom? I

674
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: remember your first your first job was a no page job. Well,

675
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: I mean, what do they I mean, like, look, you've

676
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,439
Speaker 1: done other things that I'm sure they're excited for. Yeah,

677
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 1: but this is this is twenty years Yeah, everybody's excited.

678
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 1: What was the conversation? Like, are you sure this is

679
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 1: what you want? You know that my parents are like

680
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: not like you know, they're the opposite of the current

681
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 1: day basketball parents. You know, they're like not in the

682
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: stands telling me what to do whatever, Like, hey, you know,

683
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: you got a pretty good at Miami. You sure, sure,

684
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 1: just what you want? And yeah, okay, all right, good,

685
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: that's good. My parents are pretty low ky and it's

686
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: they're not They won't be coaching me from the stands.

687
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 1: I can promise you that. How do you approach the portal?

688
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: What's your portal plan? Like, you know, talking about individual pleasure,

689
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 1: but it's a it's a tricky kind of new rule.

690
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: What's your what's your plan? And thoughts are yeah, it's um,

691
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: it's a good question. You know, I think without giving

692
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,399
Speaker 1: out too many state secrets, I mean, I think there's

693
00:35:51,440 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 1: some analytics behind how you evaluate some guys. Um. I think, Um,

694
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 1: you know what I do find Doug is what works

695
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 1: for me and probably works for most coaches. Going back

696
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: to seriousness of approach, right is like an older guy

697
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: who's serious is that guy is probably a little bit

698
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: more fun to coach at times? Right? So, um, I

699
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 1: think sometimes but looks sometimes you get It's like it's

700
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 1: like sometimes it's like you have a VCR that somebody

701
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 1: else program right now you have like five that in

702
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: previous program. Now at least they play college basketball and

703
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: so they understand a lot of stuff. But there's also

704
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: you know, we all have different ways of practicing. I

705
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: know one, you know there are some programs that that

706
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: only plays own you gotta teach guy some programs that

707
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: I think you know, so there's lots of difference thing

708
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: some level of continuity within your program while making the

709
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 1: portal work for you and not again Stew I think

710
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 1: is is so important. Um And yeah, I think to

711
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: your point, like we've been lucky enough where we have

712
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 1: so many good ones. You know that this year that

713
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 1: Charlie Moore, Kim mcgusty, Jordan Miller, like, give me those

714
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: guys every every day because they were just such great

715
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 1: guys and worked their butts off, and um, I'm hopeful

716
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:28,760
Speaker 1: that you know some combination evaluating the character, the statistics,

717
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: the situation and all that. But how do you how

718
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: do you evaluate the character when you have such a

719
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: short period of time? Right like you it feels like, yeah,

720
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:42,240
Speaker 1: I mean you do a very deep dive of intel,

721
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 1: almost like the NBA we would evaluate you know. In fact,

722
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 1: there are times with some of them are you know,

723
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 1: we had number of guys in the Big twelve where

724
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: I'm calling NBA scouts about them and saying, okay, what

725
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: do you what did you see? Remember when we recruited

726
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 1: Sheldon McClellan was a great player one up in the NBA.

727
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,240
Speaker 1: Got got hurt, but probably would be in the NBA

728
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 1: today if he if he didn't tears a Killings. Yeah,

729
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 1: he's a great player, so talented. Yeah, yeah, I got

730
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,879
Speaker 1: like two thousand points in college on nine shots a game.

731
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: You know. It was just a really good player. And

732
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 1: it was with the Wizards. Played a year and then

733
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: the second year got hurt in training camp. Toris Achilles

734
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: and so um. But I remember having to sit down

735
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 1: with him after we got him. We decided taking him.

736
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: Thank god we took him. Um, and I said, hey,

737
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: I you know, I talk to some people and I'm

738
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: not gonna tell you who, but like, your body language

739
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: is terrible. And he's like, what did they look at that? Yeah,

740
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,359
Speaker 1: well here's the report from this team X. Like, you know,

741
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: we gotta fix this if you think you want to

742
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: play in the NBA and all that. So um, yeah,

743
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: I think just the amount of quick intel and I

744
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: know people say, yeah, it seems like not a lot

745
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: of time. But if you've been in the business long enough,

746
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 1: you know who to trust. You can you know one

747
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 1: of the things that is talking to opposing coaches, right like, hey, Doug,

748
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: like you played against this guy twice. What do you think,

749
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: Oh man, you know you should take him. That type

750
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: of thing. Now you can put together staff. What's that process? Like,

751
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 1: how do you go about I'm working on it now? Yeah,

752
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: I mean, um, you know, I think you build it

753
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: like a team, right, Like you get one guy and

754
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 1: then that okay, we have this. Now we've got to

755
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 1: compliment him with somebody else and compliment the next guy,

756
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: you know, things like that. So yeah, I don't think

757
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 1: it's at least for me. It wasn't like, hey, I

758
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 1: got three guys waiting in the wings. They're all showing

759
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 1: up on the first day. Uh. You know, obviously like

760
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: recruiting in some ways because the guys that you want,

761
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 1: you know, they have probably they probably have good jobs,

762
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: and so you're trying to convince them to come with you.

763
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:39,760
Speaker 1: The good thing is, you know, probably similar to l A. Uh,

764
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 1: there's a million basketball people from d C that want

765
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 1: to come home or you know, be around here. So

766
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 1: not that not that the whole staff will be that

767
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 1: from there here, but it's obviously desirable place because of

768
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 1: the you know, they recruiting base and the location. So

769
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: you didn't have like a like a defined list of no, yeah, no,

770
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 1: you have no you have guys. Yeah, you have guys,

771
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,320
Speaker 1: and you talk to them, but you're trying build the

772
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: best staff for you know, GW might not be the

773
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: best staff for somewhere else. You know, is there anything

774
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 1: like h Miller sub I know it's crazy. Yeah, yeah,

775
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 1: it's just I think he used to write down I mean, hey,

776
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 1: this guy needs to play twenty seven minutes. This guy

777
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: is gonna play thirty one minutes. This guy is gonna

778
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 1: play twelve minutes, and give it to pastor Knacker whoever

779
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: was with him, and and they would stubb coach, I

780
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: would say, and I would something was the hardest thing

781
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 1: for the head coach, right because you're you're trying to

782
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 1: especially in the two half game like the four quarters, right,

783
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 1: probably makes it a little bit easier in terms of, hey,

784
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: when you're going with guys and things like that. But

785
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: because we're we've got these halves, it's it's it's so

786
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: interesting to think through that. You know, what do you think?

787
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 1: I think it's probably good. I think the closer we

788
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: get to the FEBA game, you know it is probably

789
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:54,800
Speaker 1: a good thing. You know what, I really you know, people,

790
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: I really like it's on the offensive rebound, the reset.

791
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: It's awesome when you when I coach it, you know,

792
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: you don't have time to come out and we set

793
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: anything like that, So you coach it too. That's the

794
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,320
Speaker 1: best time to hit a dig three to get offensive rebound.

795
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 1: The whole you know, the defense is sunk in, you

796
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 1: kick out, you hit three. It just speed it up.

797
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: I had Spens rule I think that they need an

798
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 1: The other one I like is the offense duway with

799
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 1: offensive best in your parents, you guys competing at the hoop.

800
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: I'm okay with the offensive defensive basket aperience. I'm the solar. Yeah,

801
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: I agreed. Yeah, I think the other one too is um,

802
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 1: you know, the advance. You know, if we've won a

803
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: game because somebody threw it the length of the court

804
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: and we tipped it or guy missed a crazy shot

805
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: or whatever, that I like not advancing, you know, but

806
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: like obviously the advance makes it a little bit more

807
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 1: exciting at the end of the game. Yeah, I mean,

808
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. I I kind of like it the

809
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: way it is, but I'm willing to agree with you.

810
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: It's there's so many fun a t as you can run,

811
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 1: there's so many more things that seemed possible. But you're

812
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: also like giving a free pass to half the court.

813
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: You know that one's that one's side, but but the

814
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: other but the other side too. It is And I

815
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: know just because my brothers spent the last fears to

816
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: the woman's side. Coaches pocket those timeouts because they know

817
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: they could because I must save them for advancing. So

818
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:16,919
Speaker 1: sometimes it does actually speed up the game organically, and

819
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,720
Speaker 1: that guys are you know, they're hey or women whatever

820
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: thinking about those last couple of time outs, whereas the

821
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 1: NBA you have just so many time outs it doesn't

822
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 1: really matter. I don't even know how. It seems like

823
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 1: they get team time outs. They have no they have

824
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 1: no under add of bounds plays, like all their you know,

825
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: you know, it's all you know, it's all side it's

826
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 1: all side out. Um, what about So, how do you

827
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 1: want to coach? Like, what are the things that you

828
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 1: want to do? You've been waiting this whole time. They like,

829
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 1: I got my own team. I've been sitting there the

830
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 1: whole time. Just again, you're not giving away trade secrets,

831
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 1: but a couple of things that you want to do

832
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,760
Speaker 1: that are unique to George Washington. Yeah, I mean, honestly,

833
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 1: I think I think, again, what we've done at Miami,

834
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, coaches lead and I've had

835
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: a big impact. So I'm not gonna you know, I

836
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: don't think I'm gonna change like so drastically. Um, I

837
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 1: think a lot of the things that we've been able

838
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: to implement throughout the years, and we've evolved towards uh,

839
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: you know, maybe what you did ten years ago you

840
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: feel like, you know what, I've found a better way

841
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,720
Speaker 1: and and and so yeah, I don't think there's anything

842
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 1: so unique to what I would want to do. UM.

843
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: I just think, as as we talked about the other day,

844
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 1: like I think you gotta eliminate losing before you can

845
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: start to think about winning, right, and so you know,

846
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: trying to trying to be in a situation where you

847
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 1: do things that are you know, playing winning back. I

848
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: talked to jeff An Gundi the other day about this,

849
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 1: um a little bit, and I thought he had a

850
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: great He's like, hey, as the head coach, like you

851
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: can't worry about the other teams. You can't worry about

852
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 1: you know, uh a lot of things like you have

853
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: to wear your job is to make sure your team.

854
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 1: Winning basketball doesn't mean you win, but you're playing winning basketball.

855
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 1: What does that mean? You know, taking the ball and

856
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 1: playing hard and defending your position and um, you know, uh,

857
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,800
Speaker 1: you know, I a belief that you should play uh,

858
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: sharing the ball and playing for each other and those things.

859
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: And I know they're big picture things, UM, but it's

860
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: like a lot of teams don't do that that's why

861
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 1: they lose. Yes, some things, but I'm just more interested

862
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 1: in how you implement, is the way to implement, way

863
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: to follow up there thought of hey, I've always I've

864
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 1: always wanted to do this. Yeah, well, you know, I

865
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: think there's a lot of skill acquisition science that's probably

866
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 1: like in the last uh probably only thirty forty years

867
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 1: that have sort of come up. And the one thing

868
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 1: I've always, um, I thought about and now there's a

869
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 1: lot of talk about this. I'm sure you've paid attention

870
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: to some of this stuff. Like there are things that

871
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,399
Speaker 1: we do in coaching that a lot of people do,

872
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,800
Speaker 1: and the only reason why we do them is because

873
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 1: in nineteen fifty, like coach I but did him you

874
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 1: know whatever in nineteen whatever year he coach right, Like

875
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,399
Speaker 1: we do this and just because coaches do him right.

876
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 1: And then you start to read the science in the

877
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: acquisition piece and you're saying like, hmm, I don't know,

878
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: that seems very different than than what we do. And

879
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: so I think as a coach, maybe in today's day

880
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: and age, you're trying to use some of this research

881
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 1: and some of this science that is now become more

882
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 1: prevalent and say how do we crafty, give me, give

883
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: me one thing that drives you crazy that we have

884
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 1: always done that we also do Oh man, I mean

885
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: now I'm gonna get myself in trouble. Not h no, no, no, Like, okay,

886
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 1: I hate dummy offense. Um yeah, I mean it's not

887
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: to say we wouldn't do dummy offense, but I'm not

888
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: a big dummy offense guy. Uh. It's like always teaching

889
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 1: five on five, always teaching five on five, well not

890
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,879
Speaker 1: always five on five, but you have to like, this

891
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: is a puzzle, this is perception action, right. Uh, You've

892
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 1: got to see the bodies out there to evaluate your

893
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 1: decision making and then five on oh right, it's just

894
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: not how the game is played. So you know you

895
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 1: can use five on oh too, you know, install something

896
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 1: or you know, maybe the day of the game to

897
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: just kind of move with some pace and get the ball.

898
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: But like if you think, again, I'm I've never coached,

899
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: well I've coached two games on one on one, so

900
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 1: but but there's there's great coaches that probably do five

901
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 1: and all the time. But I think, um, see pattern recognition.

902
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: You have to have the whole pattern for that to happen, right,

903
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: So having the I've always found that playing five on

904
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: five and and against defense is how guys are able

905
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 1: to perceive and make better decisions. It's interesting. I my

906
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 1: a guy who actually put it heads with as a

907
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: coach is named Tron Druker. He coaches I think he

908
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 1: coaches the women's Israeli women's. Actually he was my coach

909
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 1: and me run on. But I am really enjoyed his

910
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 1: act and I enjoyed practices because they're all five and five?

911
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: Is it? You know? We played like it was five

912
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 1: and five every day and everything that he put in

913
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 1: because the games played five on five game Yes, yeah,

914
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 1: And I think you make it great. It's way more

915
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 1: fun to play. And and then the you know, the

916
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: question is you know, the older of the coach, the

917
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:20,320
Speaker 1: more they stopped at, how much do you stop that

918
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 1: you correct? But you can also when you're I love

919
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: that when you're pluting something in you can show them

920
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 1: not just the what, but also the why. You know,

921
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: so don't have to conceptualize the why. They can see

922
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 1: the why. Is that a fair estimation? What you can say? Yeah?

923
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 1: I think the best example I can give it. I

924
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:40,280
Speaker 1: read this in a book by Doug Lemof who's author's

925
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,959
Speaker 1: written a bunch of teaching books. Tonight, I'm sure people

926
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 1: listening to this podcast and maybe heard of him or

927
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: listen to him or read his book about coaching. But

928
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: they brought these uh chess masters in, like ten chess masters,

929
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 1: and they had ten chess boards out there, and then

930
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 1: they and they asked them to look at the chess

931
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:00,879
Speaker 1: boards for like ten minutes, and they left the room.

932
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 1: And then they brought in like novice chess players, and

933
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: they asked them to look at the chess boards, and

934
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 1: and then they asked them to leave the room, and

935
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,240
Speaker 1: they came back and said, hey, can you recreate the boards?

936
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 1: So of course who did a better job, right, the

937
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 1: chess masters? And so people would say, oh wow, they

938
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 1: at least they got photographic memories and all that. We'll

939
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,919
Speaker 1: hold on a second. What the boards were aligned? As

940
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: we're great chess matches in history, like what those pieces

941
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 1: look like in that particular great chess match in history. Right.

942
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: Then they came in and they did it again, and

943
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 1: they did h randomly selected pieces all over the boards.

944
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 1: They brought the masters in, they left, they brought the

945
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 1: novice in, they left, they came back. Who did it better.

946
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:48,320
Speaker 1: Nobody did it better. There was no distinction because the

947
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 1: masters have this long term memory base that they can

948
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: draw from pattern recognition, things that they've seen. But once

949
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: you ran themized it, nobody knew the difference. It's the

950
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 1: reason why you can watch plays that you've seen and

951
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 1: you know what they are, and somebody who kind of

952
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 1: knows basketball he can't name what they are. So it's

953
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 1: the same thing with the players. If we've only got

954
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,399
Speaker 1: half the chessboard out there, will they will they will?

955
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 1: They encoded in their long term memory long enough you know,

956
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, Probably not okay, So I like it.

957
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 1: So dummy, offense, aren't giving you one more? One more threre? Like,

958
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: oh my goodness, Oh my goodness, Um, are you gonna

959
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 1: run line? Are you gonna like? I've seen? Like conditioning

960
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 1: that he the exception of Christmas break. We never conditioned practically.

961
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 1: If you've got hard nothing practice, you don't need it.

962
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 1: Some coaches are some coaches are conditioning nuts, you know,

963
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 1: some guys, I think guys, Yeah, John was how I

964
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: used to sprit to to get water. Four quarters of

965
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: practice and at the end of one quarter you had

966
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: to run and then you water and you do at

967
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:01,359
Speaker 1: the end of all four Yeah, well one interesting one. Again.

968
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 1: I don't know if I was doing as you're bringing

969
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: up all these sort of uh you know, sort of

970
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 1: idiosyncrasy videosyncrasies of coaching. Like one time we used to

971
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,320
Speaker 1: do this a little bit, and somebody sort of suggested

972
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: it made sense, like should you have halftime of practice? Yeah, halftime,

973
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 1: You have half time in the games. Wouldn't you just

974
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 1: have halftime and practice, like, hey, we go for if

975
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: we're gonna practice an hour and a half, like at

976
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 1: forty five minutes, like we're gonna go sit down somewhere

977
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 1: and watch film or talk or whatever. The problem is

978
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 1: again you get into the logistics. It's all good in theory, right,

979
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:37,280
Speaker 1: but as a player, now I gotta get you loose again.

980
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:40,479
Speaker 1: So we're not practicing for an hour and forty five minutes.

981
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: If we sit down, we gotta probably get up and

982
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 1: do something to get loose again. Line lapses one that

983
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 1: could go that could go away. You know if I

984
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 1: never did two line lamps again, Oh, two line laps

985
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 1: right right, I've actually done this in practice everything I

986
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: used to do that to get pumped up. All right,

987
00:50:55,200 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 1: let's cool, let's go down. Let's go down. Uh three man,

988
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 1: we've three man? I mean, when do you do that?

989
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 1: Throwing it to the wig and then ran behind the guy? Like,

990
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:09,879
Speaker 1: I don't know, Um, three on two, two to the two?

991
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 1: I want, how many times in your career have you

992
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 1: come down and it's been three guys and then two

993
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: guys right in the middle of the lane and then

994
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 1: you threw it and then somebody went there and threw

995
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 1: it right back, Like, I don't know. I'm just asking

996
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 1: questions I don't have. I don't have any. You're a

997
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 1: great play like, I mean, yeah, you want to recreate

998
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 1: something that you're gonna you're gonna see I do like

999
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 1: three on three on three, I love on four and

1000
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 1: four on four. I think those are always always fun

1001
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 1: and always fun and concluded, Um, okay, what about scheduling

1002
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 1: your idea of scheduling get expectations the league? How the

1003
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:48,479
Speaker 1: league schedules? Um, you have you budget, but I guess

1004
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 1: it's all part of your new job. What's your thoughts

1005
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 1: on how you want your schedule? Well, you know, the

1006
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 1: A ten has a scheduling policy that I need to

1007
00:51:57,640 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: learn a little bit. In fact, I'm on a call

1008
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 1: today about it. So I need to wrap my brain

1009
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,240
Speaker 1: around a little bit. I think for everybody in scheduling

1010
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 1: these days, Um, you know we got two at large

1011
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 1: bids at George Mason and which is you know, not

1012
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 1: that easy to do, right and uh, Eric Conchole you

1013
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: can ask him about he did our schedule at George Mason.

1014
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 1: And you know, we were obviously trying to figure out

1015
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 1: the r p I and how to get our best

1016
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 1: RPI and some of it is your lead right the

1017
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 1: CIA our last year there when when we we won

1018
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 1: fifteen straight games in the regular season and won the league.

1019
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:33,320
Speaker 1: But you know Old Dominion got in and lost a

1020
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 1: butler at the buzzer, we beat Villanova and VCU, who

1021
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 1: finished fourth, went to the final four, So like the

1022
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 1: league was great, um, But now I think for everybody

1023
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 1: trying to understand the net and and and and so

1024
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:51,360
Speaker 1: did those predictive metrics and how they play into uh,

1025
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 1: you know, getting in the tournament or having a good

1026
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 1: net or having a good r p I. Is everyone's

1027
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 1: sort of trying to learn that right now. So I

1028
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 1: can't speak intelligently on that piece because I think everybody's

1029
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:04,799
Speaker 1: trying to think it through you know, last thing, what

1030
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 1: do you want? Um, when I see your team play

1031
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 1: in for seven eight months? What should I walk away

1032
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 1: from the gym Our Bucks Center. I've been there a bunch, right,

1033
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 1: it's really I mean historic in that sense. Yeah, it's

1034
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,319
Speaker 1: the Smith Center. It's Smith Center. But they have the

1035
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 1: red chair for for red which is awesome. You know

1036
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 1: that does the red chair in the stands. Yeah, that's

1037
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 1: that's very cool. So what do I what should I

1038
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 1: walk away? Year one? Saying about your prob Yeah, I

1039
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 1: would just say that we, um, we play really hard.

1040
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 1: I know it's just cliche. Uh. We we defend and

1041
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:45,799
Speaker 1: we play for each other, take good shots. Alright. See

1042
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 1: yesterday it was day one you got on the court

1043
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 1: with the fellas. Day two is what a bunch of

1044
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 1: more administrative things, all the different things you have to do,

1045
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 1: and then also getting on the court again today. So

1046
00:53:57,719 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 1: that's the best part of the day. Everything else is

1047
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 1: you know, hectic, but when you're on the court, obviously

1048
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:06,879
Speaker 1: you you know, you enjoy it. Everything else is the job, right, Yeah,

1049
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 1: you know, honestly, everything else is what you get paid for.

1050
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 1: It's it's like they say this in morning radio, like

1051
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 1: you're not actually getting paid to the show. You're getting

1052
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 1: paid to get up every day, right, and you're not

1053
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:19,439
Speaker 1: actually getting paid to coach. You're getting paid for all

1054
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 1: of the other stuff. It's a it's a great way

1055
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 1: to look at it. I agree. Well, thanks to the

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