1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Truth with Li Sabooth, where we cut 2 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: to the heart of the issues that matter to you today. 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: We're joined by my friend, a Fox News contributor, a 4 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: hero in my book, but everyone's book. He's a Purple 5 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 1: Heart recipient, Marine Corps veteran and the author of a 6 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: really powerful and important new book called Behind the Badge, 7 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:24,600 Speaker 1: Answering the Call to Serve on America's home front. His 8 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: name is Joey Jones. You know him from Fox, you 9 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: know him from everywhere. But he's a great friend of 10 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 1: mine with an important message as well. So we're going 11 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: to get into the historic United States strikes on Iran's 12 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:39,879 Speaker 1: nuclear facilities to this fragile cyasefire in the wake of 13 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: the Iran Israel conflict or ongoing conflict as well. We'll 14 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:47,200 Speaker 1: talk to Joey using his combat experience, and he's also 15 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 1: just a history buff. He's a history nerd. He loves history. 16 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: So we'll dig into the conflict with him. Will just 17 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 1: lead to World War three, as a lot of people 18 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: are saying, a lot of naysayers were saying, we're these 19 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: strikes necessary? Where is this all heading? And also why 20 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 1: are some people on Capitol Hill? So cavalier about sending 21 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: troops to war or potential boots on the ground. I'm 22 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: looking at you, Senator Lindsey Graham. But most importantly, we're 23 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: going to dive into his book exploring the sacrifices of 24 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:20,479 Speaker 1: first responders and their service, why they decided to serve, 25 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: what's the common thread between these nine first responders that 26 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 1: he interviewed and the stories that he tells in his book. 27 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 1: So get ready for smart analysis and insightful conversation, and 28 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 1: also an important conversation about the people who put on 29 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: a badge or uniform to serve their communities and serve 30 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: their country, who also risk their lives. Stay tuned for 31 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: my friend and colleague, Joey Jones. Well, Joey Jones, it's 32 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: great to have you on the show. I am in 33 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: an office location in my building because there's fire alarm testing. 34 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: So the joys of podcasting actually showering, and I heard 35 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: a man's voice yesterday and it was the alarm. So 36 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 1: scared at the crap out of me. So hopefully we're 37 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: not interrupted. 38 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 2: That is never sounds like something good. If you're showering 39 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 2: and hear a man's voice, that sounds like a bad day, I. 40 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: Thought I was going to get murdered. So but I'm 41 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: here and thank God for that. Well, it's great to 42 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 1: have on the show. You you're a friend, a colleague. Well, 43 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 1: I think we're friends. I think you would. I think 44 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 1: you would say that. 45 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 2: But the amount that you let me pick on you, 46 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:34,799 Speaker 2: we better be friends otherwise I'm a real Ah It's. 47 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 1: It's fun banter, is what I like to say. But 48 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to digging into all this, obviously with 49 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: everything that's happening in the Middle East, but also about 50 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 1: your book. I think a lot of people don't know 51 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: you're kind of a history nerd. Do you think that's 52 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: a fair assessment to make. 53 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 2: I think so. I mean I like to put things 54 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,519 Speaker 2: in context, and it's fun to go down rabbit holes. 55 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 2: And also I'm a little studies major, so my entire 56 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 2: collegic education was learning about the history of people. So yeah, 57 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 2: I think you're right. 58 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: Wait, I think there's a lot of rabbit holes to 59 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:10,119 Speaker 1: go down these days. So I wanted to get obviously, 60 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 1: just more broadly, looking at President Trump's historic bombing of 61 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: Iran's nuclear facilities. Did President Trump make the right call? 62 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: And how do you assess the strategic impact of it. 63 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:28,959 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, we're right now on this teetering sea 64 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:31,079 Speaker 2: spire that could turn into peace or it could turn 65 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 2: into war again. And so did he make the right call? 66 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 2: I hate to be that guy, but like history will 67 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 2: decide by the next few weeks will decide, the next 68 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 2: few years will decide. I don't think you can sit 69 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 2: here and say he made the wrong call. I don't 70 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 2: see a bunch of net negatives from it. I think 71 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 2: he did it because he felt like being decisive and 72 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 2: hitting them in a way that they hadn't been hit 73 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 2: before the other presidents had advanced around would show Iran 74 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 2: and the rest of the world that he's not going 75 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 2: to step away around this. And I think that in 76 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 2: his mind, and I think probably in actuality, it sent 77 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 2: a message to China and Russia and other places. I 78 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 2: also think that his tour of the Middle East a 79 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 2: few months ago was laying the groundwork for something like this. 80 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 2: I think some of the other presidents before him would 81 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 2: fear how this would affect the old markets out Saudi 82 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 2: Arabia would respond, how some of the other Arab countries 83 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 2: would respond. And I think President Trump has laid groundwork 84 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 2: in those places that other presidents haven't. And not to 85 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:32,479 Speaker 2: say that Saudi Arabia is some friend, I mean, you know, 86 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 2: or most of those countries. But a mutual working towards 87 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 2: a mutual benefit can be all you need. And that's 88 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 2: Trump's doctrine. I don't care if you're a bad guy 89 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 2: or a dictator. It's not my job to figure out 90 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 2: how your people are treated. That's their job. I need 91 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:47,919 Speaker 2: to know if you're going to stab us in the 92 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 2: back or not, and how can I make sure you don't. 93 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:51,600 Speaker 2: That's his policy and he does a pretty good job 94 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:52,280 Speaker 2: at it well. 95 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: And I think that's what makes President Trump so interesting, 96 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 1: is you know, to your point, like a Saudi Arabia friend, 97 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 1: like I don't know, but can we work together? 98 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 2: Right? Like? 99 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: President Trump sees the world very clear eye it. I mean, 100 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: he's not trying to sort of impose or ideals in 101 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: other nations. He's not trying to turn the Middle East 102 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: into a democracy. He even set in a speech to 103 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia like you guys, do you you know, like 104 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: I'm here for business, I'm here for strategic partnerships kind 105 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:21,480 Speaker 1: of how do you look at that particularly, you know, 106 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 1: compared to someone like you know, former President George W. 107 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 2: Bush. Well, I think George W. Bush his dark presidency 108 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 2: was derailed as far as these polsage into by nine 109 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 2: to eleven. And we can talk about why that happened. 110 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 2: I think that you know, I really love you bringing 111 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 2: up that time, although it's not a question, you ask 112 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 2: and let me explain why people are worried that President 113 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 2: Trump's actions are going to cause a greater war. I think, 114 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 2: you know, or at least up until yesterday when the 115 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 2: ceasefire was announced. But here's the deal. Had Bill Clinton 116 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 2: gone after Osamom bin Laden, not eleven, might not have happened. 117 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 2: And so it might be a little bit more complicated 118 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 2: than that. But we know for a fact there were 119 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:02,239 Speaker 2: opportunities to take Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda out 120 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 2: in the nineties Darren, Bill Clinton's tenure that we either 121 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 2: missed or there was one famous case where a leak 122 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:09,919 Speaker 2: told them we were about to hit him because there 123 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 2: were some princes there with him they didn't want to kill. 124 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:13,919 Speaker 2: And I think President Trump is trying to show the 125 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 2: world that's not me. I'm not going to make those mistakes. 126 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 2: I'm not going to let you know something that might 127 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 2: be a negative stop me from doing something that can 128 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 2: be a positive for our country and for our national security. 129 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 2: And I think the other presidents have tried to make 130 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 2: everybody happy, and I think you can't make everybody happy. 131 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 2: I think you're actually better off if you just piss 132 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 2: everybody off, but you're consistent. And I think that's what 133 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 2: President Trump is looking for. He's looking to show the 134 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 2: world that he is consistent. If this, then that that's 135 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 2: his foreign policy. If you do this, we will bring 136 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:46,039 Speaker 2: down that hammer. And I think that's, you know, Operation 137 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 2: Midnight Hammer. He has to. He has no choice but 138 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 2: the back that rhetoric up. And that's what he did. 139 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 2: But is that just leadership, I would hope. So I've 140 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 2: told people for a long time. I've spent the time 141 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 2: I did in the Marine Corps. Your worst leaders are 142 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 2: the ones that want to make everybody happy, and because 143 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 2: of that, go back on their own policies and decisions 144 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 2: all the time because they think that it's going to 145 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 2: hurt somebody that they didn't mean to hurt, or or 146 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 2: hurt somebody's feelings. And at the end of the day, 147 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 2: when you make a policy decision, if you know what 148 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 2: you're doing, is for the betterment of the team, and 149 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 2: not everything just for the betterment of the team, is 150 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 2: for the betterment of every individual. And part of being 151 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 2: a team is knowing you have to make sacrifices along 152 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 2: the way. So a good leader is one it's consistent 153 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 2: that you know, when they say this is what we're 154 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 2: going to do, we're going to do it until it 155 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 2: either fails or succeeds. And that's President Trump. 156 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean you told her on you have 157 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 1: sixty days. You know, they didn't negotiate, and so boom, 158 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: you know, there goes the dynamite. 159 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 2: Literally there it goes auly. And when I say that's 160 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 2: President Trump, that's President Trump. In defense and foremn policy. 161 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 2: He handles things like the economy much differently. He handles 162 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 2: things like legislation much differently. More of a populace comes 163 00:07:58,360 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 2: out in those cases, and he uses a lot of 164 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 2: hyperbole in his rhetoric. We're gonna, you know, we're going 165 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 2: to pass this big, beautiful bill exactly how it is, 166 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 2: and it may get changed, but the point is, don't 167 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 2: think we're not passing this bill. And so he has 168 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 2: a style of leadership that translates in so many places 169 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 2: but doesn't translate in DC, because in DC they're used 170 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 2: to speaking out both sides of their mouth all the 171 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 2: time and having a different truth even behind closed doors. 172 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 2: And as we saw this morning, a President Trump losing 173 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 2: his cool and you know, dropping an F bomb. He 174 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 2: doesn't mask a lot. We know where he is with 175 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 2: things pretty much every time the microphone is in front 176 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:36,199 Speaker 2: of him, and I think that alone throws people off 177 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 2: in DC. 178 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: Well, I also think it's good to you know, obviously 179 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 1: red lines didn't mean much under Obama and under Biden, 180 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: and obviously they do under Trump. And so I think 181 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 1: that's a good message for our enemies and our friends. 182 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 1: You know that he means what he says, and he 183 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 1: says what he means. Sent I want to ask you 184 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:59,199 Speaker 1: about this ceasefire, because he did lose his cool and 185 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: he said that they don't know what the f they're 186 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: doing talking about Iran and Israel. Do they know what 187 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: that f they're doing? 188 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 2: I don't know. I think that are israel vision that 189 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 2: Yalus said it best, really right before we dropped the bonds. 190 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 2: He said, Israel's going to do what's best for Israel, 191 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 2: and President Trump is going to do what's best for 192 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 2: the United States, and in saying that, he's admitting that 193 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:27,319 Speaker 2: that they may have different goals. They may support one 194 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 2: another's goals, but they may have different goals. I have 195 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 2: no problem with Israel having the goal of regime change 196 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 2: or at least regime crippling. I believe that Israel is 197 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 2: well within the right over the last four or five 198 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 2: decades to have that goal or to work towards it 199 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 2: now that Iran has baited them into war. And I 200 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 2: think that's what's happened from October seventh, four to Iran's 201 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 2: done twenty enough for Israel to justify a preemptive attack. 202 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 2: I don't think that's worth disputing at this point. But 203 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 2: President Trump has to have a worldview that encompasses the 204 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 2: rest of the Arab nations, Europe and what he's trying 205 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 2: to accomplish for our country. And for President Trump's perspective, 206 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 2: although he may be totally for the idea of Iran 207 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 2: having different leaders, he may not need that happening right 208 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 2: now for him to accomplish the things he's trying to 209 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 2: accomplish for our country. I mean, you know, that's that's 210 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 2: perfectly reasonable, and so I don't think that I don't 211 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 2: think that Israel doesn't know what they're doing. I think 212 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 2: that they are. They're very smart, and they are very tactical, 213 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,319 Speaker 2: and they have their set of goals. What they don't 214 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 2: know is how much of that Trump's going to support 215 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 2: based on what Trump is also trying to get done. 216 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 2: And as Trump talks to these Arab countries in Europe, 217 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:38,839 Speaker 2: that may change what he's willing to support and what 218 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 2: he isn't and Israel has to decide if they're willing 219 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 2: to follow that or lead in their own direction. I 220 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 2: don't think they're going to hurt our partnership, but you 221 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 2: know you're going to have moments like we had today 222 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 2: where President Trump, just out of frustration says, what in 223 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 2: the hell are you doing? I just broke it a 224 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 2: peace deal and it's so fragile. Why would you? Why 225 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 2: would you risk it? And Israel's going to say, if 226 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 2: we don't send a message in these six hours you 227 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 2: gave us to send as many bombs as we can, 228 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 2: they're going to turn. They're going to think they got 229 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 2: one over on us all over again and keep building 230 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:10,319 Speaker 2: their bombs. And so I don't think either one of 231 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 2: them are wrong. They just start heading in the same 232 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 2: direction on two different paths. 233 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: We've got more with Joey. But first, Israel is at 234 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: war with Iran, a nation that is vowed to wipe 235 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 1: Israel and even the United States off the map, and 236 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 1: a necessary act of self defense, Israel struck Iranian nuclear facilities, 237 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 1: military targets, and top leadership. Right now, the International Fellowship 238 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: of Christians and Jews is on the ground preparing large 239 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 1: scale distributions of life saving food, first aid and emergency kits, 240 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: especially to Israel's most vulnerable people, the sick, the elderly, children, 241 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 1: and families in need. The Fellowship is also making sure 242 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: that hospitals, emergency rooms, and shelters are fully stocked with 243 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 1: critical and life saving medical supplies. 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You'd mentioned previously that Israel is within its 250 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: right to strike at Oran after October seventh, and you know, 251 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: obviously Iran was behind that financially with via Hamasa proxy. 252 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 1: And I've been asking this like on TV as well, 253 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: of like what is the appropriate response to a nine 254 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:34,679 Speaker 1: to eleven type terror attack? Right, because Israel obviously has 255 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:37,319 Speaker 1: a much smaller population than we have in the United States. 256 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: So if that's where the attack happened, here we're talking 257 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 1: about tens of thousands of people that would have been 258 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: murdered comparatively speaking from a population perspective, and we went 259 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: to war for like twenty years after nine to eleven. 260 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:52,079 Speaker 1: Not saying that was the right call, you know, but 261 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 1: I'm saying, like, what is the appropriate response, Like doesn't 262 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 1: Israel have every right to, you know, want to annihilate 263 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: Iran if they're a terror attack like that? 264 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 2: Absolutely they do. And anyone that disputes that is biased 265 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 2: in a way that I don't understand. Israel beliefs Iran 266 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 2: was behind that. We have circumstantial evidence to prove it. 267 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 2: I can tell you when I was in Iraq, I 268 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 2: found Iranian made ordinance, or at least we did. I 269 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 2: won't say me personally, but we found Iranian made ordinance, 270 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 2: and I read reports on the Moni Iranian made ordinance 271 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:27,719 Speaker 2: all the time is just working as security for a 272 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 2: D before I became an EOD technician, and so the 273 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 2: fact that Iran has supported the GHD, the Global GHOD 274 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:39,079 Speaker 2: is pretty obvious. Now. On the nuclear weapons thing, I 275 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 2: think the nuclear weapons is the easiest way to justify 276 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 2: large scale action, and I think that in a little 277 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 2: bit of a way, both the United States and Israel 278 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 2: is using that really as a cover for all the 279 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 2: reasons that Iran needs to be at least weakened. I 280 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 2: don't know on was trying to actively build a bomb 281 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 2: or if being in the eleventh hour of building a 282 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:07,839 Speaker 2: bomb might have been more leverage, because I mean, once 283 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 2: you have the bomb, now you're an actual threat, and 284 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 2: I don't know that you get the same type of 285 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 2: appeasement you're you know, it's kind of like catching a 286 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 2: tiger by the tail. You know, once you catch it, 287 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 2: now you've got a tiger on the other end. And 288 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 2: I think, you know, the responsibility of owning nuclear weapons 289 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 2: is a big one, and I think that as long 290 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 2: as they were capable of and presumably heading towards building 291 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 2: a nuclear weapon, there were a lot of things that 292 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 2: the international community was willing to do to kind of 293 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 2: coltew to them and ask them not to and maybe 294 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 2: those things kind of go away if they get too 295 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 2: far down the road. Maybe they were holding themselves back 296 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 2: in that way because it made such a great point 297 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 2: of leverage. I'm not sure that's totally theoretical, but so 298 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 2: I don't know. There are some intelligence supports that they 299 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 2: weren't advancing in building a nuclear weapon, and Israel says 300 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 2: they were days away, And you know, it's hard because 301 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 2: from my perspective, I heard my entire adult life they 302 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 2: were weeks away, and it's like, how can you be 303 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 2: weeks away for twenty years? Like there is some healthy 304 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 2: skethicism there that I think is appropriate, But at the 305 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 2: end of the day, you take all the nuclear weapons 306 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 2: stuff out of it. Iran has done nothing but try 307 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 2: to undermine and kill the United States and Israel for 308 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 2: at least thirty years. I mean, in nineteen eighty eight 309 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 2: we took out a portion of their navy because they 310 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 2: suckle or they had tried to sink one of our 311 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 2: ships with a mind closing the straight to remove so 312 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 2: you know, go all the way back to Iran country 313 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 2: even before that, and then the hostages in seventy nine, 314 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 2: so it's this idea that Iran has turned the tide, 315 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 2: or hasn't been a bad actor, or hasn't been actively 316 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 2: against us in Israel, that ship is sailed. And so 317 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 2: I think Israel's fully justified in their war against Iran, 318 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 2: whether or without a nuclear weapon, because Iran has tried 319 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 2: to mobilize guerrilla units, militaries and terrorists against Israel actively 320 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 2: and in doing so, against US for a really long time. 321 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: Will this lead to World War three? 322 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 2: No, anything can lead to World War three. I mean, hell, 323 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 2: you know, Franz Berdinand. I mean, anything can lead to 324 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 2: World War three. That's a part of existing in a 325 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 2: world of nations and armies. But I don't see the 326 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 2: cards on the table for many places to want to 327 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 2: get involved in this. I think that Russia sits it 328 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 2: out because President Trump quite frankly tells Vladimir Putin, if 329 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 2: you are Iran, I'll make sure the Ukrainian War lasts 330 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 2: for the next twenty years. I mean, that's exactly what 331 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 2: that phone call looks like. And Vladimir Putin doesn't want that, 332 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 2: or at least I wouldn't think you would. For China, 333 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 2: it's much more of the economic drivers, and I don't 334 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 2: think it helps them in any way economically to have 335 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 2: a larger scale war. Now China's status quo is to 336 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 2: fight us through proxies. I mean, look at all the 337 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 2: Southeast Asian conflicts, but I just don't see that being 338 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 2: their goal right now. And the Arab nations have all 339 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 2: but said they're sitting it out. So what world powers 340 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 2: go to war against the Allies in this case? I 341 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 2: don't there. 342 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 1: What are your thoughts in the whole debate about President 343 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:09,919 Speaker 1: Trump's decision to strike or wrong without congressional approval, he. 344 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 2: Took immediate military action to end a conflict we would 345 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 2: surely be engulfed in. I mean, you can have the 346 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 2: constitutional debate from here to tim Book two. Our constitution 347 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 2: is incredibly important. There are powers in the Constitution given 348 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 2: to the president for such a case. And if you 349 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:31,919 Speaker 2: want to take him the court over it, take him 350 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 2: the court over. The fact is B two bombers flu 351 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 2: bombs dropped and the war is at a ceasefire. So 352 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 2: you know, if you want to pitch a fit about it, 353 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 2: pitch a fit about it, and pass the legislation that 354 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:42,640 Speaker 2: changes it. 355 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 1: So I want to segue to your book Behind the 356 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 1: badge andswering the call to serve on America's home front, 357 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: because when we talk about even this broader conversation about 358 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 1: what's happening in the Middle East and the possibility that 359 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: a lot of these conflicts could potentially lead to broader wars, 360 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 1: could potentially lead to boots on the ground, whether it's 361 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 1: in Europe with Russia and Ukraine or with Iran and Israel. 362 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: How frustrating is it for you, as someone who has 363 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: served and who has also suffered injury as a result 364 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:16,160 Speaker 1: of that surface to sort of have this like cavalier 365 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: attitude very often on Capitol Hill about like sending, you know, 366 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 1: boots on the ground, or let's go to war or 367 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:22,679 Speaker 1: you know. 368 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you're essentially you're invoking the ghost of 369 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:29,400 Speaker 2: Lindsay Graham. And I get it. Basically. 370 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: I was kind of poo a step by you're picking 371 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:35,919 Speaker 1: up when I putted out, yeah, you know. 372 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 2: The one thing I will say about Lindsay Graham is 373 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 2: God bless him. He's consistent. He doesn't backtrack on it, 374 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 2: and that at least means something on Capitol heel and 375 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 2: I think he believes, he believes the policy he advocates 376 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 2: for I don't think he's cavalier about lives being lost. 377 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 2: I think in his heart of hearts, he believes that 378 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 2: strong military action is almost always the answer, and sometimes 379 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 2: it is the answer. But when you have a twenty 380 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,880 Speaker 2: year war that consists of really two your wars, where 381 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 2: we decide if we're going to continue it every mid 382 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 2: term and presidential election, that's that's really devastating to your 383 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 2: country's faith in the government and its ability to protect 384 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 2: us by going to war when they need to. So 385 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 2: it's you know, it's kind of like the Boy that 386 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 2: Cried Wolf. We fought this twenty year war against these 387 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 2: ghosts called al Qaeda and the Taliban and in the 388 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 2: countries of Iraq and Afghanistan. And now if there is 389 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 2: a legitimate Middle Eastern threat, who's going to believe it 390 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 2: because we experienced that twenty year war. And that's kind 391 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 2: of the conundrum that President Truck finds himself in because 392 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 2: there are plenty of people on the right and the 393 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 2: left criticizing him for taking action because that's all they 394 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 2: can see. I think it's much different. Number One, Israel 395 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 2: is a completely different factor. I mean, having you know, 396 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 2: we had NATO forces in Afghanistan, but we led the 397 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:52,879 Speaker 2: way we had. They attacked us. We were the ones 398 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 2: that had the gripe. We we responded and retaliated, and 399 00:19:56,440 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 2: they came in and helped this. Having this what's going 400 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 2: on with Israel and Iran, US helping Israel or US 401 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 2: taking decisive action to ensure it doesn't spread beyond in 402 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 2: my opinion, Iran in Israel. I mean, let's go back 403 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 2: to you know, if Bill Clinton would have taken out 404 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 2: Osama bin Laden, there might not have ever been a 405 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 2: war in Afghanistan. So sometimes the sisive military action is 406 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 2: exactly what prevents war. The difference between the twenty year 407 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 2: war in Iraq and Afghanistan and what's happening with Iran 408 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:30,640 Speaker 2: is one. I don't think the world, especially the Arab world, 409 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:35,400 Speaker 2: has the appetite to feed this radical Islamic terror that's 410 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:38,400 Speaker 2: really spread like wildfire in the nineties and then into 411 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:40,920 Speaker 2: the two thousands. I just don't think the world has 412 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:44,360 Speaker 2: a tolerance for it that it had twenty thirty years ago, 413 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 2: or at least the blind eye to it. I think 414 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:48,879 Speaker 2: the Saudis were behind some of it. I don't think 415 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,439 Speaker 2: they have an appetite for it today. Money talks and 416 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 2: bull crap walks, you know, And so I just don't 417 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:58,199 Speaker 2: think that that type of enemy is going to is 418 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 2: going to be what we're fighting. And then conventional warfare. 419 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 2: We are the superpower in the world when it comes 420 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,439 Speaker 2: to conventional warfare. So this idea that it would take 421 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 2: twenty years doesn't make sense. I mean, desert storm, in 422 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 2: my opinion, is as much of an analogy to where 423 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 2: we are today, or more so than the wars in 424 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 2: Iraq in Afghanistan. 425 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, what all about President Trump? And he did this 426 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 1: recently with the Joint addressed to Congress. He's so good 427 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 1: at sending a message and telling stories through people and 428 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 1: using individuals as an example to tell those stories. And 429 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 1: you did that in your book Behind the Badge. You 430 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:40,159 Speaker 1: tell the stories of nine first responders. Why did you 431 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 1: pick these nine people? And what stories and what were 432 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,919 Speaker 1: you hoping to convey with those nine people? 433 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 2: You know. I like to say I didn't pick these 434 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,879 Speaker 2: nine people, these non people picked me, And that was 435 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 2: almost a Peter Popper pick thing there. But yeah, they 436 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 2: picked me. I mean they came into my life, they 437 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 2: are in my life. The first two chats are a 438 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 2: guy that I've known since I was three years old, 439 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:05,959 Speaker 2: and my brother in law that I've known for more 440 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 2: than twenty years. And these are first responders of all 441 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 2: walks of life. Justin Heflin in there is a guy 442 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 2: that I replaced in Afghanistan. He was a radio detech 443 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:19,120 Speaker 2: and became an Indiana State trooper. Caitlin Kotfella is in there, 444 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 2: and she's a police officer down in Tampa. She was 445 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 2: assigned to be my security a few years ago at 446 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 2: an event. It wasn't really an event I needed security yet, 447 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 2: so she invited her to sit down next to me 448 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 2: and have dinner with the table and I got to 449 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 2: hear her story and it just really my jolly at 450 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 2: the floor, Like she's just so inspiring, and so when 451 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 2: I decided to write this book, she was and easy fit. 452 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 2: Sheriff Mark Lamb is on there. I've interviewed him many 453 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 2: times on Fox. He's done a fantastic job showing the 454 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:50,880 Speaker 2: country what a proactive, media friendly sheriff, what a big 455 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 2: impact someone like that can have. And then when you 456 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 2: learn his backstory of how he got there, it's truly inspiring. 457 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 2: It's very American. E Vince Vargas is in there. He's 458 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 2: a Border Patrol search and rescue guy. Before that, he 459 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,440 Speaker 2: was an army ranger, and or after both of those things, 460 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 2: he was involved with the guys that created Black Riffle 461 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,120 Speaker 2: coffee companies. So he's been a close friend of mine 462 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 2: for a long time. And to learn that this Mexican 463 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,639 Speaker 2: American from La became a Border of Patrol search and 464 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 2: rescue guy and saw both sides of that issue and 465 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 2: was so patriotic and wanted to defend his country, but 466 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:24,399 Speaker 2: also was empathetic towards the people he was interdicting and 467 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 2: has so much to say about it that after finding 468 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 2: fame and being on the TV show The Miyans, he 469 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 2: went back to be a journalist for the Border Patrol 470 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:33,639 Speaker 2: to help tell those stories in a time when people 471 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,400 Speaker 2: are trying to demonize Border Patrol. I mean, these are 472 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 2: amazing stories that really I would love to tell you 473 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 2: are so unique that they were the best nine in 474 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,159 Speaker 2: the world. But the point of the book is that 475 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,439 Speaker 2: it could be any nine that wear a badge and 476 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,959 Speaker 2: keep us safe every day. Keith Densey and Clay Hendrick 477 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,399 Speaker 2: the first two chapters in the book. They're firemen at 478 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 2: Dalton Fire Department, Dalton, Georgia and Northeast and Northwest Georgia's 479 00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,679 Speaker 2: it's not a super small city, but it's not a 480 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 2: city you know of any It's not a big city. 481 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 2: And their stories are remarkable, the tragedy they've experienced, the 482 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:12,639 Speaker 2: growth that they've had, the triumphs they've experienced, saving people, 483 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 2: saving buildings, helping other people get through their post traumatic 484 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:19,640 Speaker 2: stress of being on a job like that. I mean 485 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 2: Clai Hedrick at one time was working on a fire 486 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 2: truck as a fireman one out of every three days, 487 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,880 Speaker 2: riding the ambulance as an EMT one out of every 488 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 2: three days, and working at the non to one one 489 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 2: call center one out of every three days. And to 490 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 2: think that there are people out there that are so 491 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 2: dedicated to saving lives and keeping us safe that they 492 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 2: really they give up their own peace of mind so 493 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 2: we can live in peace. 494 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,159 Speaker 1: We've got more of Joey. If you liked the podcast, 495 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 1: please share on social media or send to your friends. 496 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 1: What is the common thread when interviewing all these people, obviously, 497 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: as you just mentioned, people that you know personally as well, 498 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,919 Speaker 1: and you deciding to serve as well, what is the 499 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: common thread and all these people deciding to put on 500 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: a badge or deciding to put on a uniform and 501 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 1: go serve their community or the country. 502 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:12,920 Speaker 2: It's really quite simple, and it took me a while 503 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,119 Speaker 2: to figure this out. Every single one of them, early 504 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 2: on in their career, add something happen in front of 505 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 2: them on the job that really reset their entire perspective. 506 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, you go to police academy or 507 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 2: fire academy, and it's all about tactics and procedures and 508 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 2: what to do and how to do it and how 509 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 2: to be successful. It's rarely showing you the face and 510 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 2: name of a five year old little girl that dies 511 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 2: in a fire or dies in a car wreck that 512 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 2: you're going to have to respond to. And every single 513 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 2: one of them, early on in their career, like for Clay, 514 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,879 Speaker 2: it was just about the very first shift. That's what 515 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 2: happens is now you meet the faces and the tragedy 516 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,119 Speaker 2: of this job. And every single one of them experienced 517 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 2: that early on and realized and made the decision, as 518 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 2: difficult as that was. And I don't believe after writing 519 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 2: this book to anybody is quite simply born to do it. 520 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,639 Speaker 2: I think that they experienced the sadness and the trauma, 521 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:07,920 Speaker 2: just like any of us would have. But every single 522 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 2: one of them decided that it was worth it that 523 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 2: sacrificing their own peace so that we could live in peace. 524 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 2: And when I say live in peace, I mean that 525 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,160 Speaker 2: we believe when we walk out the door that if 526 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 2: our house catches on fire, somebody will come put it out. 527 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,679 Speaker 2: If we get in a carreg somebody will respond. If 528 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 2: we have a medical emergency, somebody will be there to 529 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:28,719 Speaker 2: help us. Like that's the peace that we live in 530 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 2: in this country. And they decided, each and ever one 531 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,680 Speaker 2: of them early in their career it was worth sacrificing 532 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 2: that to keep their community safe. And now they've done 533 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 2: it for ten twenty thirty years. 534 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 1: Well, you know, because there is a price. Ray, I mean, 535 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 1: you lost your alert, your legs as a marine, you 536 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 1: are a Purple Heart recipient serving as an explosive ordinance 537 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 1: disposal technician in Afghanistan. You look at nine to eleven. 538 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 1: We lost hundreds of first responders during nine to eleven 539 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:59,159 Speaker 1: who ran towards the buildings, who ran towards the attack 540 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 1: to to save them Americans, to save their fellow Americans. 541 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 1: I mean, the price is the price worth it? Is 542 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,120 Speaker 1: it price worth the sacrifice? 543 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 2: One hundred percent of it is. I can speak that 544 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 2: for myself like I would give my legs to keep 545 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,440 Speaker 2: this country safe over and over again like Groundhog's Day, 546 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:21,160 Speaker 2: and I just I know I would. After interviewing these 547 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 2: nine first responders, knowing the dozens more that are in 548 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 2: my life, they make that decision every time they go 549 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:29,679 Speaker 2: out there. Let me tell you a quick story if 550 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 2: I can so. Keith Dimpsry, my brother in law, was 551 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,159 Speaker 2: his first jobs at Marietta, which touches Atlantis, so it 552 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 2: has a lot of the same types of calls as 553 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 2: a big city. It is part basically of the Atlanta footprint. 554 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 2: And for about a month they ran calls every shift 555 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 2: that were just insane, you know, john buildings catching on fire, 556 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:53,399 Speaker 2: homes catching on fire, big bag car wrecks, huge medical 557 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 2: overdose emergencies where you know they go in and it's 558 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 2: it's a home with domestic violence and all kinds of 559 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 2: stuff that they have to clean up to save his life. 560 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 2: And there was just one call after another and on 561 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 2: that shift for a lot of young firemen. So at 562 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,640 Speaker 2: the end of that month, the city saw it fit 563 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 2: to give them an award. So they gave them an 564 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 2: award for going through and doing all of that in 565 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 2: such a short period of time. In the middle of 566 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,639 Speaker 2: all that, Keith and another young fireman responded to a 567 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:21,199 Speaker 2: house fire. The family somehow got out, but there were 568 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 2: two little girls that didn't, and they went in to 569 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 2: get them and they went into the bedroom. They searched 570 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:26,959 Speaker 2: all over the bedroom. What they found out was there 571 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 2: was a pile of stuffed animals, and the little girls 572 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 2: crawled under those stuffed animals. They going to keep them safe, 573 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 2: and of course it did the opposite, and they perished. 574 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 2: And so when Keith got that award, it broke his 575 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 2: heart and he's never worn the award. It's one of 576 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,719 Speaker 2: the most traumatic things that he's ever gone through. And 577 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 2: eventually I had to point out to Keith, hey, brother, 578 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 2: you need to understand you didn't get that award because 579 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 2: of what happened that night. You got that award because 580 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 2: you put your gear on the next day and went 581 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 2: back to work after what happened that night. You didn't 582 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 2: give up, you didn't quit continue to be that guy 583 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 2: and you continue to save people. You know. I wish 584 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 2: that every first responder could always say they batted a thousand, 585 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 2: but that just simply isn't the case. And so that's 586 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 2: that's the type of sacrifice that we see when you 587 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 2: can experience something like that and still go put your 588 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 2: gear on the next day and go into a burning 589 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 2: building and have those memories, those those haunting memories, and 590 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 2: today though you save somebody. I mean, that's who we 591 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 2: have out there, and that's who we live beside, that's 592 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:30,719 Speaker 2: who we go to church with, that's who's in the 593 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 2: pickup line when we pick our kids up from school, 594 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 2: or those kind of people, and we're just so lucky 595 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 2: in this country to have them. 596 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 1: What's so interesting is, you know, I've interviewed a lot 597 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 1: of people for the podcast. Obviously we engage with a 598 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: lot of people with their jobs at Fox, and you 599 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 1: look at a lot of professions, there can be a 600 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 1: lot of arrogance, particularly looking at Congress and some of 601 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 1: these other places. And I will say that of all 602 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 1: the first responders I've interviewed, particularly or military veterans, there's 603 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 1: such a humility that comes with it, and like a 604 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,239 Speaker 1: really like if you're like, oh, you're a hero, they're like, no, 605 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: don't say that. What do you think is behind that? 606 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 2: I think it's it's cultural. You be in EOD tech. 607 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 2: I understand it a little bit because in EOD, especially 608 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 2: Marine Corpo D, we weed out the guys that are 609 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 2: all about themselves because eventually they'll do something dangerous so 610 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 2: other people are impressed. But in doing that dangerous thing, 611 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 2: there is their lives and other people's lives. So you 612 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 2: can't have heroes in heroic jobs. You can't have people 613 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 2: looking for the pats on the back and the ground 614 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 2: and the adulation in jobs that they are so dangerous 615 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 2: and self sacrificing that they may one day rate it 616 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 2: when people say he won the Purple Heart or he 617 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 2: won the Medal of Honor, that's that's really horrible. You 618 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 2: earn those things, but you don't win them. They're not 619 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 2: a prize you're out looking for. And so it's the 620 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 2: same thing for these individuals, like they understand that, especially 621 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 2: police officers, they can't go out looking to be a 622 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,959 Speaker 2: hero because then they'll make a bad decision. And so 623 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 2: it's a cultural thing bred in them from day one 624 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 2: in good departments and on good forces. And that's most 625 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 2: of them. 626 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 1: Why did you decide to serve? Why did you decide 627 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 1: to become a marine. 628 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 2: I'm happy to tell you, and it's not, you know, 629 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 2: like it's not the selfless thing that I admire in 630 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 2: other people. I chose to be a marine because I 631 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 2: come from a poor city and at the time a 632 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 2: poor family, and my parents worked really hard to give 633 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 2: me opportunities that I kind of squandered by being enamored with, 634 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 2: you know, playing football and chasing girls. So when I 635 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 2: graduated high school, I didn't have scholarships to college. And 636 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 2: to their credit, you know, to be fair, my parents 637 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 2: didn't expect college because it was never expected of them. 638 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 2: They were a poor class of people and college wasn't 639 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 2: really on the table, so they just wanted me to 640 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 2: graduate high school. And so a year after graduating high school, 641 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 2: I was I was seventeen when I graduated. So at eighteen, 642 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 2: in my eighteenth year, I realized that I owed it 643 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 2: to my parents to take the opportunities that life had 644 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,120 Speaker 2: given me and they had worked for, and go make 645 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,719 Speaker 2: something of it. College had passed me by, so the 646 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 2: next available opportunity was the military. So that was the 647 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 2: origin of joining the Marine Corps. Joined the Marine Corps 648 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 2: because when I went to the Navy, they told me 649 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 2: that i'd have health care for the rest of my life. 650 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 2: When I went to the Air Force, they told me 651 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 2: to teach me a job that I could use when 652 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 2: I got out of the Air Force. When I went 653 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 2: to the Army, they told me that I would have 654 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 2: the GI bill to go to college after the Army. 655 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 2: None of them told me how great being in those 656 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 2: three services would be like my time actually in them. 657 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,560 Speaker 2: When I went to the Marine Corps, they said being 658 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 2: a Marine is a privilege and you may have what 659 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 2: it takes to earn it, and that just that was it. 660 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 2: That's what I was looking for, that type of challenge. 661 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 2: I was earning a title, and it resonated with me. 662 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 2: But both of those reasons are kind of selfish. They 663 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 2: were about me. It wasn't until I went to boot 664 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 2: camp and had Joe instructors that had just come back 665 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 2: from a rock that the selfless and sacrifice part of 666 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 2: it really resonated with me. 667 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 1: Hey, July, before we go, what do you hope people 668 00:32:58,240 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 1: take away from this book? 669 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 2: I hope people read this book and do two things. 670 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,600 Speaker 2: One understand much better what people go through to keep 671 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,960 Speaker 2: them safe. That way they is they interact with them, 672 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 2: because nobody's happy when they get pulled over first speeding ticket. 673 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 2: But if you read this book and you can kind 674 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 2: of see behind the eyes of that person on the 675 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,240 Speaker 2: other side of your window when you're getting that speeding ticket, 676 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 2: then you just think for a second about all that 677 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 2: guy or gal has been through in the last week, 678 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 2: and that they're not pulling you over because they hate you. 679 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 2: They're pulling you over because they had to respond to 680 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 2: a card just like yours. It was plastered all over 681 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 2: the road last week. You'll have a better understanding of 682 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 2: what they go through and maybe try to live more responsibly. 683 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 2: And then on the other side of it, what I 684 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 2: really hope happens is that first responder families read it 685 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 2: and understand their hero better, because I don't think most 686 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 2: first responders are exceptionally vulnerable with their families and they 687 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,040 Speaker 2: think they're protecting them, but a lot of times they 688 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 2: just leave them in the dark so much that they 689 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 2: don't know what's going on behind their eyes. And I 690 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 2: think it'll do both of those things. 691 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 1: Joey, can I tell you something? To be honest, When 692 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 1: I first met you, I didn't know if I should 693 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 1: call you Joey Jones or Johnny Jones. 694 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 2: It's a debate that still resonates every day. But most 695 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:13,400 Speaker 2: of my friends that Jane would call me. 696 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:17,440 Speaker 1: Joey, Well, you are my friend and hero in my eyes, 697 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:19,840 Speaker 1: and you're just a really smart guy, and I always 698 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,320 Speaker 1: love being on with you. You always just make really smart, 699 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 1: intelligent points, also filled with a lot of common sons, 700 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,280 Speaker 1: which isn't so common these days. 701 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 2: So those are those are gracious words, and I appreciate 702 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,359 Speaker 2: it because certainly you're smart and fun to work with. 703 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,840 Speaker 2: And that's what's great about this business, especially being on 704 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 2: the right side of it, is that you're aul such 705 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:42,879 Speaker 2: good people. 706 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,279 Speaker 1: And even though you make fun of me sometimes, we're 707 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 1: so Thanks for making the time. I know this book's 708 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:51,799 Speaker 1: going to be huge success. I'm so happy for you, 709 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,839 Speaker 1: and I hope that we are filling in together soon. 710 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:56,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure I'll see you soon. 711 00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 1: That was my friend and colleague from Fox News, Joey 712 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 1: joe Zones. Appreciate him for making the time to come 713 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:03,880 Speaker 1: on the show. Appreciate his service. I mean, the guy 714 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,360 Speaker 1: is a freaking hero. Appreciate you guys at home for 715 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 1: listening every Tuesday and Thursday, but you can listen throughout 716 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 1: the week until next time