Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to WIKA f Daily with
Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody, recording from the Brooklyn Bunker. Folks,
Speaker 1: I want to start off by saying that I am
Speaker 1: going to be taking the next couple of days off,
Speaker 1: but do not worry and do not despair, because we
Speaker 1: have a bunch of really timely interviews stacked up for
Speaker 1: you for the rest of the week, and I will
Speaker 1: be returning back live ish on Tuesday. But coming up
Speaker 1: in the next couple of days that I am taking
Speaker 1: some time off, we have our normal weekly conversation with
Speaker 1: our friend doctor Jonathan Metzel. We have a couple of
Speaker 1: interviews with some folks that you know and love, like
Speaker 1: Kurt Bardela and Danielle Campamore, as well as our friend
Speaker 1: the Reverend Mark Thompson from Make It Plain and Leslie Mack,
Speaker 1: communications director for the front Line coming up in the
Speaker 1: next couple of days. And so I want to start
Speaker 1: off friends with obviously the major breaking news that broke
Speaker 1: earlier this week with regard to Donald Trump and his
Speaker 1: home and Mara Lago being searched by the FBI. This
Speaker 1: is what I want to say about that. First of all,
Speaker 1: it is apparent that Republicans continue to not give a
Speaker 1: fuck about the legal system, about justice, about accountability, about
Speaker 1: politics as usual, about democracy, about any of those things,
Speaker 1: because the series of tweets that have come out from
Speaker 1: people like Kevin McCarthy, Ted Cruz and others that essentially
Speaker 1: are putting the Department of Justice and Democrats on notice
Speaker 1: that they plan on when and if they take back
Speaker 1: the House in midterm elections, to open up a series
Speaker 1: of investigations into Merrick Garland, into investigation, into an investigation.
Speaker 1: And what I have to remind folks and remind Democrats
Speaker 1: or that the Republicans are a rabid fucking cult, right,
Speaker 1: they are a white supremist, anti democratic, fascist cult. And
Speaker 1: if we do not continue to call out the violence
Speaker 1: that they speak of, if we do not continue to
Speaker 1: call out their anti democratic sentiments and just allow it
Speaker 1: to be casually just business as usual, we are going
Speaker 1: to find ourselves in major fucking trouble. As if we're
Speaker 1: not already in major fucking trouble now, you would think
Speaker 1: that I would be jumping up and down about the
Speaker 1: fact that the FBI had, you know, was able to
Speaker 1: obtain a warrant and searchie Donald Trump's home, to be honest,
Speaker 1: until we find out what the contents of that search was,
Speaker 1: what the contents of the warrant was, I am not
Speaker 1: going to count my chickens before they hatch. I am
Speaker 1: not going to pretend that this is going to automatically
Speaker 1: turn into a series of indictments and that we are
Speaker 1: going to see those that our treasonists have waged treason
Speaker 1: misbehavior against this country, that they're actually going to be
Speaker 1: held accountable. What I will say is that contrary to
Speaker 1: Republican belief and even some of the fucking talking points
Speaker 1: that I'm hearing push back from Democrats, which are literally
Speaker 1: uttering Donald Trump's own talking points as if we've learned
Speaker 1: nothing over the last six years, is that one the
Speaker 1: only way for the FBI to have attained a warrant
Speaker 1: to search Donald Trump's property is by probable cause, and
Speaker 1: probable cause is more than suspicion, right. It is having
Speaker 1: to go to a judge and say that there is
Speaker 1: evidence of criminal activity. And the only way for us
Speaker 1: to be able to confirm right that there is criminal
Speaker 1: activity is for us to be able to search the property.
Speaker 1: And once we are able to then search and either
Speaker 1: come up to the conclusion that nothing was found or
Speaker 1: that exactly what it was that we were looking for
Speaker 1: was found. So this is not a willy nilly just oh,
Speaker 1: we've been sitting around for the last eighteen nineteen months
Speaker 1: and now all of a sudden, the Department of Justice
Speaker 1: and the FBI has turned into some type of political
Speaker 1: strong arm. That is not the case. How do we
Speaker 1: know that because I myself have been on this show
Speaker 1: and other people's shows calling out Merritt Garland's glacial fucking
Speaker 1: pace right as it pertains to holding Donald Trump to account.
Speaker 1: We understand right that this is an unprecedented time, it's
Speaker 1: an unprecedented search. But what's not being followed up by
Speaker 1: the media that this was an unprecedented fucking president who
Speaker 1: was a criminal. It is not just like we didn't
Speaker 1: like Donald Trump so now he's being investigated on all
Speaker 1: of these fronts. It's that, No, Donald Trump is a
Speaker 1: known fucking criminal that has had multiple lawsuits against him
Speaker 1: over his entire career, none of which have stuck, which
Speaker 1: is why they referred to him as teflon Don. And
Speaker 1: now he took that criming ass behavior to the White
Speaker 1: House right and thought that he had insulated himself enough
Speaker 1: with enough sycophants and enough people in different agencies to
Speaker 1: do his bidding that he never thought for an instance
Speaker 1: that he would ever face anybody in windbreakers at his
Speaker 1: front doorstep, which he didn't because he was in fucking
Speaker 1: New York, right. And why was Donald Trump in New York, Oh,
Speaker 1: because his appeal against the New York Age's insistence on
Speaker 1: him testifying before her in her fucking legal search of
Speaker 1: a civil suit against Donald Trump and the Trump organization. Right.
Speaker 1: So there's just so many things that are going on,
Speaker 1: and it isn't like the Republicans pursuit of Hillary Clinton
Speaker 1: for Benghazi or her emails or Hunter Biden's laptop. Right,
Speaker 1: there is actual evidence broad out in the fucking open
Speaker 1: evidence of Donald Trump's criming. But what we know is
Speaker 1: that Republicans don't care, right, They want to weaponize any
Speaker 1: agencies against people who have alternative ideologies and thoughts, meaning
Speaker 1: those that believe in democracy they see as antipatriotic, and
Speaker 1: those that are pro fucking orbon and Putin and Donald
Speaker 1: Trump are the real patriots. That's the fucking Earth two
Speaker 1: that they live on. So what I want people to
Speaker 1: recognize is that this was indeed a major step by
Speaker 1: the FBI and the Department of Justice. But let's be
Speaker 1: clear that the other conversation that is being had that
Speaker 1: I feel like it's not getting the kind of attention
Speaker 1: that it should is the fact that people are very
Speaker 1: fearful right that Donald Trump will once again weaponize his
Speaker 1: white supremacist militia against the government the way he did
Speaker 1: on January sixth, that all of instantly, what was coming
Speaker 1: out of the tweets from the right wing, from the
Speaker 1: fascist right wing, our talks about a civil war, or
Speaker 1: talks about violent, or talks about shoot him up, or
Speaker 1: talks about lock and load, right, because these people are
Speaker 1: in fact itching for the opportunity to kill as many
Speaker 1: people as they can. And the fact is is that
Speaker 1: we are just not talking about this with the measure
Speaker 1: of fucking like alarm bells that we should. This type
Speaker 1: of language should not be shrugged off as this is
Speaker 1: just you know, politics as usual. It is not. Donald
Speaker 1: Trump has poisoned the well of our democracy. He did
Speaker 1: so six years ago, and he has never let up.
Speaker 1: And the fact is is that all of these people
Speaker 1: who at one time six years ago had half a
Speaker 1: working brain, have all become trump is bots, and they
Speaker 1: are willing to do whatever it takes in order to
Speaker 1: keep Donald Trump in power as their king. And so
Speaker 1: if that means having an all out onslaught, if they
Speaker 1: were to regain the gavels for mid terms against Democrats
Speaker 1: and creating political prisoners of the people that they do
Speaker 1: not like, that is what we are going to see
Speaker 1: and that is what they are telling us, right. So
Speaker 1: what did maya Angelous say? When people show you who
Speaker 1: they are? Believe them right, Republicans consistently continue to tell
Speaker 1: us who they are, continue to tell us who they
Speaker 1: bow to, right, who they are in service to, and
Speaker 1: it is not the American people, It is Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: One of the questions that I asked this week on Twitter, however,
Speaker 1: is this given the fact that we saw Kansas, a
Speaker 1: conservative state, come out right and say absolutely not to
Speaker 1: a ban on abortion in their state. With these reactions
Speaker 1: now around Donald Trump being under investigation, which we already
Speaker 1: know but now finally being quote unquote searched, right, our
Speaker 1: Republican women who came out in Kansas, our Republican women
Speaker 1: across the nation going to decide that going to bat
Speaker 1: for Donald Trump is more important than going to bat
Speaker 1: for their bodily autonomy. Is it going to be the
Speaker 1: decision that, oh my god, they've gone after my king,
Speaker 1: my man, the pussy grabber in chief, that they would
Speaker 1: rather go to the polls and pull a slot for
Speaker 1: Republicans so that they can stand by their man. Right.
Speaker 1: So that's the real question, because people are saying on
Speaker 1: the news that, oh my god, this comes as such
Speaker 1: a bad timing for Democrats. And I'm saying, why Democrats
Speaker 1: have just passed an onslaught a fucking legislation that we
Speaker 1: have not seen in this country in twenty and thirty
Speaker 1: some odd goddamn years, And they did so while right
Speaker 1: our intelligence agencies we're doing their job. You see, the
Speaker 1: intelligence agencies not working in fucking tandem like they did
Speaker 1: on the Trump administration, with this White House and with Congress.
Speaker 1: Is exactly how government is supposed to fucking work. So
Speaker 1: Democrats are able to get things done for the American
Speaker 1: people while our intelligence agencies are making sure the people,
Speaker 1: all people, including the former president of the United States,
Speaker 1: are following the law. If I'm a Democrat right now
Speaker 1: and I got a microphone in front of my face
Speaker 1: and I'm running for reelection right, I'm saying Democrats are
Speaker 1: showing proof is in the pudding that we can walk
Speaker 1: and chew gum at the same time that we can
Speaker 1: deliver for the American people in terms of climate change,
Speaker 1: inflation reduction, jobs reports, in terms of being able to
Speaker 1: combat some of the serious issues in this country while
Speaker 1: also holding a former fucking criminal ass president accountable. I
Speaker 1: don't understand what wouldn't make that a winning message. It
Speaker 1: isn't about one or the other. It's the fact that
Speaker 1: you have an entire Republican party that does not give
Speaker 1: a fuck about the American people, that does not give
Speaker 1: a fuck about offering up any policies or any legislations
Speaker 1: that are about giving something to the American people. The
Speaker 1: only thing that Republicans are interested in is taking things
Speaker 1: away from the American people. Whether it is their ability
Speaker 1: to collectively bargain, whether it is their ability to afford healthcare,
Speaker 1: whether it is their ability to have bodily autonomy, whether
Speaker 1: it is their ability to vote, whether it is their
Speaker 1: ability to breathe fresh air and drink clean water. Everything
Speaker 1: that Republicans do is taking away something as opposed to
Speaker 1: offering it up, and that to me is the clear
Speaker 1: message that Democrats need to be pounding into the American
Speaker 1: consciousness from now until midterm elections and fucking beyond because
Speaker 1: the threat, dear friends, is not going to be over
Speaker 1: because midterm elections is over. These people are out for
Speaker 1: blood and I mean that fucking literally. So if we
Speaker 1: are not paying attention to what they are saying out loud,
Speaker 1: then once again we are going to be caught off
Speaker 1: guard and unprepared for what is coming next. And I
Speaker 1: am telling you that my feeling in my gut right
Speaker 1: now is that violence is imminent and people need to
Speaker 1: be prepared for that. Coming up next my conversation with
Speaker 1: our good friend, our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel,
Speaker 1: who will talk about this issue and what he is
Speaker 1: seeing and hearing as it pertains to the escalation of
Speaker 1: white domestic terrorism in this country, as well as bring
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Speaker 1: I am always thrilled. I am even more so thrilled
Speaker 1: this week because my god, folks, something miraculous has happened,
Speaker 1: and it is I don't know if hell has frozen over,
Speaker 1: but Donald Trump's Moral Lago residence was in fact searched
Speaker 1: by the FBI. Will not be using the word raided,
Speaker 1: which is his language that the media then repeated over
Speaker 1: and over again that they raided him and they broke
Speaker 1: in to his safe. No, the FBI gets a warrant
Speaker 1: from a judge and they have to show what is
Speaker 1: the word probable cause in order for them to be
Speaker 1: able to enter into anyone's residence, including a former president
Speaker 1: of the United States Jonathan As the narratives started to
Speaker 1: play out and again this was, you know, major breaking news,
Speaker 1: and there's no there is no blueprint for this is
Speaker 1: what is happening, and there hasn't been a blueprint for
Speaker 1: what has been happening in America over the last couple
Speaker 1: of years that you and I have been engaging in conversation.
Speaker 1: But I want to say that as people were starting
Speaker 1: to recognize the gravity of the situation, there were several
Speaker 1: commentators who made reference to the fact that they were
Speaker 1: concerned about what Donald Trump supporters were going to do
Speaker 1: in response to the FBI searching Mara Lago, particularly being
Speaker 1: concerned that Donald Trump would once again weaponize the white
Speaker 1: supremacist organizations that he had sent to Capitol Hill to
Speaker 1: go and hang his vice president, now turn around and
Speaker 1: pose another threat to the government. Jonathan, The way that
Speaker 1: the conversation was happening, though on cable news made it
Speaker 1: seem like it was kind of like a shrug event.
Speaker 1: And to me, we're talking about a former president of
Speaker 1: the United States gathering his own militia once again in
Speaker 1: order to turn it on the government. So, you know,
Speaker 1: you get into the minds of these people and have
Speaker 1: over the past several years. And I want to know
Speaker 1: what you make of that narrative of that response that
Speaker 1: this is where we are as a country, that we
Speaker 1: are concerned about this man who we now know wanted
Speaker 1: his generals because General Millie has a new book out,
Speaker 1: as everybody does, that comes out of the Trump administration
Speaker 1: talking about the fact that he wanted his generals to
Speaker 1: act like why can't my generals act like Hitler's generals? Right,
Speaker 1: And again, we're talking about this in a very to me,
Speaker 1: in a very dismissive way, as opposed to we're at
Speaker 1: a five alarm emergency. So what did you what have
Speaker 1: you been making of their responses to this search by
Speaker 1: the FBI. I mean, it's such an evolving story, you know,
Speaker 1: as we filmed this, and so I think the main issue,
Speaker 1: I'm certainly there were threatening tweets and messages coming out
Speaker 1: yesterday across the kind of oathkeeper style spectrum. And there
Speaker 1: were also threatening tweets coming out from the NRA official
Speaker 1: NRA site and from people invoking the ruined case, the
Speaker 1: Supreme Court case about about weapons, and so there were
Speaker 1: some pretty real threats that were going around last night.
Speaker 1: And I think really the story for me, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I could easily be wrong about this. I'm not that
Speaker 1: worried relatively speaking about the Oathkeepers taking over the country.
Speaker 1: Maybe there'll be something horrible that happened, will happen, and
Speaker 1: that seems I just think possibility. But I mean, I
Speaker 1: think for me, the bigger concern is that they make
Speaker 1: Trump into a sympathetic figure, which will impact a lot
Speaker 1: more people than just people who are in extremist groups.
Speaker 1: And so I think that really for me, the question
Speaker 1: is what are they going to uncover and what are
Speaker 1: they uncovering from all this, and we don't know that
Speaker 1: right now. If it's al Capone's vault, or if it's
Speaker 1: something that's just technical and doesn't make emotional sense to people,
Speaker 1: then I think it plays into the narrative that Trump
Speaker 1: has been using all along, about the narrative of racial
Speaker 1: resentment and victimhood. And you know, once he pretty recently
Speaker 1: go he said I'm like the most oppressed person in
Speaker 1: the country or something like that, And so I think
Speaker 1: that's going to be the thing, is what's the story
Speaker 1: based on what they find. But if it's some slam
Speaker 1: dunk thing that people can understand, oh, yeah, this dude
Speaker 1: broke the law, then I think it's a different story.
Speaker 1: So I think it's really honestly TVD right now. But
Speaker 1: I do think there's obviously a risk in this that
Speaker 1: they basically rally everyone around Trump, or Trump gets in
Speaker 1: you convicted of something that is a kind of minor
Speaker 1: issue in terms of how people understand it, like oh,
Speaker 1: he just took some papers or something like that. It
Speaker 1: paves the way for just santists, but Trump remains a
Speaker 1: powerful sympathetic figure. So I think there's a major political
Speaker 1: story that's going to come out of this that will
Speaker 1: impact the elections, It will impact the work of the
Speaker 1: January sixth Committee, It will impact any possible collaboration on
Speaker 1: other things that are pending before Congress, like marriage equality
Speaker 1: and all these factors. And so I think that right now,
Speaker 1: there's just there's there's so many variables from this, and
Speaker 1: let's just hope that somebody really, really really thought this
Speaker 1: through and that there is some kind of slam dunk
Speaker 1: evidence that's going to come out of this, which I
Speaker 1: think will make things a lot more It'll it'll make
Speaker 1: a lot more sense to people. But I don't know
Speaker 1: is that sense also? Yeah? But but yeah, because here's
Speaker 1: my thing is that, like this, this has been my
Speaker 1: problem with the Department of Justice, the FBI, and all
Speaker 1: of the our like security agencies, is that I think
Speaker 1: that they have been too cautious. I think that they
Speaker 1: have been too slow. Right that if anyone else in
Speaker 1: this country, even if it was another political figure, namely
Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton and her emails that were investigated over and
Speaker 1: over again, and then right before the presidential election of
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, James call me announces, Oh, we're opening up
Speaker 1: another investigation, right, Like that's Okay, that witch hunt, that
Speaker 1: clear witch hunt, it's totally find to do over and
Speaker 1: over again, which clearly harmed her political chances of becoming
Speaker 1: president because of how close to the November election that
Speaker 1: that action took place. And so for people that were
Speaker 1: already against Hillary Clinton, all that gave them was another excuse.
Speaker 1: Here we have a situation where Donald Trump, we didn't
Speaker 1: even know when the FBI entered Mara Lago what case
Speaker 1: we were talking about, right, because that's how many investigations
Speaker 1: that Donald Trump is under. Right, And so the fact
Speaker 1: to me that you had the minority leader, the you know,
Speaker 1: the minority Speaker of the House, Kevin McCarthy, openly threatening
Speaker 1: Merritt Garland on social media on Twitter saying that you
Speaker 1: better have your papers in order and you better clear
Speaker 1: your schedule. It's like, so, what is your response here,
Speaker 1: Just that everyone that is a Republican is above the law.
Speaker 1: No one gets to be prosecuted for anything because if
Speaker 1: they are, if there's even a hint of accountability or responsibility,
Speaker 1: then it's a witch hunt. And so I ask you,
Speaker 1: like there, to me, there's no way to win over
Speaker 1: that twenty five thirty percent of the population that like
Speaker 1: sees Donald Trump as a martyr and a god. Right,
Speaker 1: So are we trying to appeal to those people and
Speaker 1: think that any evidence that was going to be found
Speaker 1: or is going to be found and announced is going
Speaker 1: to be enough for these people not to think that
Speaker 1: Donald Trump isn't a martyr. Again, it really depends what
Speaker 1: the story that comes out of this is. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's such a such a central tenant. I mean, obviously
Speaker 1: it's ironic because in twenty sixteen Trump wrote to Power
Speaker 1: on lock her Up, Lock her Up, but also illegally
Speaker 1: exposed documents on email, like it's exactly exactly the same issue.
Speaker 1: Possibly and and but I mean that's such a tenant
Speaker 1: of that of that thought is mistrust of the government,
Speaker 1: weaponizing of the government, all those things. And so in
Speaker 1: a way, it's just it's just gonna it's gonna strike
Speaker 1: so deep in terms of just the anxiety of like
Speaker 1: liberals turning the government against us. The government is biased,
Speaker 1: the FBI is biased, all those kind of things, and
Speaker 1: so you know, if they have a slam dunk case,
Speaker 1: if this has been signed off on by people up
Speaker 1: top and bottom, and this is something that is really big,
Speaker 1: our whole conversation changes, right, Um, but I can't imagine,
Speaker 1: I mean, to be honest, I can't imagine that it's
Speaker 1: not I can't imagine that Donald Trump took documents that
Speaker 1: were supposed to be part of the National Archives, right anything,
Speaker 1: like there's no blaming of this. Oh, I had no idea,
Speaker 1: sir that that box was you know, in my in
Speaker 1: my safe that you need a fingerprint for, you know, like,
Speaker 1: so it isn't and this is something. This is twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two. He took those documents, you know, January twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one when he left the White House. So I
Speaker 1: can't imagine that they wait this incredible amount of time
Speaker 1: and they haven't crossed every tea and dotted every eye.
Speaker 1: I'm sure that's right. I'm sure that's right. I'm yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sure that's right. I mean, and again, it's just
Speaker 1: m But I guess the question, Jonathan is do you
Speaker 1: believe just given everything that we know right now, We
Speaker 1: know that we will find out more as the week's
Speaker 1: turn into months with regard to what was the source
Speaker 1: of this of this warrant, But do you feel that
Speaker 1: violence is inevitable given what is transpiring, given just how
Speaker 1: hopped up on lies and weaponry. Donald Trump's following is
Speaker 1: that regardless, violence is inevitable. I mean there were direct
Speaker 1: there was people were just directly saying it last night.
Speaker 1: So I mean the NRA was saying it, and so, um,
Speaker 1: you know, just the people were saying on Twitter, this
Speaker 1: is going to lead to the next civil war, this
Speaker 1: is going to need to the next interaction. So it's
Speaker 1: not even what I think. People were directly threatening that
Speaker 1: last night on social media or very clearly implying it.
Speaker 1: And so I do think, of course, the risk is
Speaker 1: is very very very high. How they play this right
Speaker 1: now is going to be really the utmost importance, which
Speaker 1: of course they know, of course they know. Um. But
Speaker 1: again I think that the other issue is going to
Speaker 1: be this is this is a week where Biden the
Speaker 1: Democrats had just passed like the you know, their science signature. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and and the fact that Bidenen apparently didn't know about
Speaker 1: this raid and that so the timing here is not
Speaker 1: great for the Democrats, I'll say. But see, I disagree, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I actually disagree, and I'll tell you why. Because the
Speaker 1: Republican narrative has always been that this is a witch
Speaker 1: hunt and nothing else is getting done for the American
Speaker 1: people because the entire attention of the Democratic Party has
Speaker 1: been about taking down Donald Trump. And here is a
Speaker 1: clear example of the fact that no, no right government
Speaker 1: actually can work and we can walk and chew gum
Speaker 1: at the same time, we can work on behalf of
Speaker 1: the American people and have our security and justice agencies
Speaker 1: be doing their work right. So I think that if
Speaker 1: you are, if the Democrats are smart, right, they can
Speaker 1: continue to focus on their monumental achievements that are being
Speaker 1: signed into law this week and saying like we're continuing
Speaker 1: to work for the American people while our agencies that
Speaker 1: were hollowed out by the Trump administration are doing their
Speaker 1: work right. We have two parallels. But let me just
Speaker 1: say I of course completely truth and and again I
Speaker 1: also think people who broke the law should be finished. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, just like I agree, what a crazy idea.
Speaker 1: I know it's nuts. Um. But but but but I
Speaker 1: would say that for me Again, I'll let me just
Speaker 1: articulate the two caveats I'm going to give, which is
Speaker 1: why it's so important, what the purpose of this is,
Speaker 1: How they how they talk about it, how they message it. Um,
Speaker 1: beyond just the obviously, you know, I agree like people
Speaker 1: no matter what they say, Um, you know, they could
Speaker 1: they could. There are many unsolved cases they could find
Speaker 1: it is safe and it still wouldn't make any difference. Um.
Speaker 1: But but I would say that the two points are
Speaker 1: number one. I mean, think about what's happened over the
Speaker 1: last couple of months, Like the Wall Street Journal came
Speaker 1: out against Trump, the New York Post came out against Trump.
Speaker 1: Trump had become a liability for many relatively centrist within
Speaker 1: the context of GOP politics um um voices. And so
Speaker 1: the question is, are those people is being anti Trump
Speaker 1: all of a sudden begin to become intenable. You're going
Speaker 1: to push those people back towards seeing Trump as a
Speaker 1: sympathetic character or will this be like, oh man, there's
Speaker 1: another example of why we can't have Trump as president.
Speaker 1: So I think that's really issue number one as far
Speaker 1: as as far as how I see it. A number two.
Speaker 1: The Democrats have their rallying cry right abortion has been
Speaker 1: I mean, this Indiana thing is atrocious. It's it's it's
Speaker 1: beyond atrocious. And so the rallying cry of women are
Speaker 1: going to come out to vote and you kick the wrong,
Speaker 1: hornessness and all those kind of things. Will this become
Speaker 1: the GOP's version of the rally the troops to the
Speaker 1: polls that counters that, And so for those are the
Speaker 1: two bigger caveats that I'm thinking about. And again it
Speaker 1: really matters what they found and how they articulated, and
Speaker 1: so this is still playing out. But for me, those
Speaker 1: are my two areas of concern. Yeah, and I think
Speaker 1: that I would, you know, with regard to Indiana and
Speaker 1: these other states that are following suit with the most
Speaker 1: egregious and disgusting anti abortion laws, that I don't think
Speaker 1: that the grievances of one man is going to trump
Speaker 1: women and people with uterusists not having bodily autonomy. I
Speaker 1: don't think GOP women are going to be like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, you know what I care most about Donald Trump,
Speaker 1: you know, being like the end all be all for
Speaker 1: the for the Republican Party. And it doesn't matter that
Speaker 1: I can't access an abortion or my daughter or my
Speaker 1: son's right. Who are you know who who are involved
Speaker 1: in situations that require them? And so I just don't
Speaker 1: see in my opinion, and again, we will watch this
Speaker 1: play out that people's own right issue bodily autotomy, freedom
Speaker 1: and liberty is literally pun intended going to Trump. What
Speaker 1: is happening personally to Donald Trump with his criminal activity
Speaker 1: as we get to the polls switching gears. I mean,
Speaker 1: I agree with you. They just it's just like there
Speaker 1: are so many different logics that play. I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know if you saw a sepack like the guy
Speaker 1: in the fake present cage, the guy in the fake
Speaker 1: presit cage doing the kind of performance art of like
Speaker 1: sympathy for the January six people, and turned out that
Speaker 1: guy the artist himself, I think it's from me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was. Now these are the orition he turned state's
Speaker 1: evidence against others. Yeah, So, so I don't think like
Speaker 1: the logical stream is totally at play here. So I again,
Speaker 1: I just think, I just think that the narrative is
Speaker 1: the fight now is over the narrative of this and so,
Speaker 1: and I think that's super important. That my point is
Speaker 1: not to counter what you're saying. Obviously, oh yeah, I
Speaker 1: got it, But I think the fight now is over
Speaker 1: the narrative. And that's why I think it's it's so
Speaker 1: important not only that they had the goods, but that
Speaker 1: the narrative they're going to tell now is something that
Speaker 1: is understandable to people. Um, okay, switching gears with a
Speaker 1: few minutes that we have a left, want to provide
Speaker 1: an update on where we are with the bio viral
Speaker 1: attacks that are happening in this country the weirdest damn time, man.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's so I tweeted this last night and
Speaker 1: I was just like, we are living in it. Like now,
Speaker 1: I understand when people say the phrase extraordinary times, because
Speaker 1: this is I feel, this is. This has got a
Speaker 1: cap every other moment in history. This has got a
Speaker 1: cap World War two. I mean, there's just so much
Speaker 1: going on. I wouldn't want ever to be president of
Speaker 1: the United States during this time. But here we have
Speaker 1: now not only COVID, not only monkey pox, which whose
Speaker 1: initial narrative just completely botched the response to how we
Speaker 1: should have been talking about monkey pox. And thank you
Speaker 1: Jonathan for last week making the case that yeah, this
Speaker 1: is actually moving more like smallpox, like an STD, which
Speaker 1: is how the media and you know, and other initial
Speaker 1: reportings were coming out that it's like, oh no, this
Speaker 1: is in the gay mail community, so no one else
Speaker 1: needs to be concerned. And you're like, mm, but if
Speaker 1: you're using a blanket or a shirt, or putting your
Speaker 1: arm on surfaces that were touched, like, that's not sex,
Speaker 1: but that's close contact. Or kids in daycare or kids
Speaker 1: in daycare or college campuses, as you had brought up
Speaker 1: as well last week. Now it's nineteen fifty and we
Speaker 1: got polio that is making its way back, Jonathan, how
Speaker 1: how does that happen? Well, we human progresses is not linear.
Speaker 1: Turns out, we defeated smallpox, we defeated polio. It was
Speaker 1: it was like landing a man on the moon, right,
Speaker 1: but he had two polio vaccines um a tenuated vaccine,
Speaker 1: a live vaccine, oral injectable. It was like the race
Speaker 1: to put the first man on the moon. And there
Speaker 1: were there were you know, the Salk vaccine, the saving vaccine,
Speaker 1: Like we we won that fight. It was it was
Speaker 1: a moment for the victory of science and the victory
Speaker 1: of American ingenuity and the victory of public health. And
Speaker 1: what you do is then you vaccinate people, and it's
Speaker 1: super effective when you vaccinate people against an illness that
Speaker 1: was just a catastrophe for so many people, not only
Speaker 1: because it's potentially lethal, but because when it wasn't lethal,
Speaker 1: it impacted your motor function for the rest of your life.
Speaker 1: M But when you don't get vaccinated, you don't have
Speaker 1: that protection. And so the question is why aren't why
Speaker 1: aren't people getting vaccinated? And believe it or not, it's
Speaker 1: not just an American story and fact. When I first
Speaker 1: heard about this with concern, it was happening in the
Speaker 1: Middle East about four or five months ago, where Israel
Speaker 1: scrambled because people of very low socioeconomic status we're having polio,
Speaker 1: which was unheard of, unheard of, But it turned out
Speaker 1: they didn't have access to healthcare or to immunization. It
Speaker 1: wasn't just that they were like rapid anti vaxers, it's
Speaker 1: that they didn't have potential healthcare. And it's the same
Speaker 1: story here in the United States that we're going to
Speaker 1: see people who don't have access to healthcare, who can't
Speaker 1: afford it, who don't have a clinic or something like that.
Speaker 1: There are apparently hundreds or more cases in New York,
Speaker 1: in the state of New York, and so this is
Speaker 1: not just going to be a red blue thing. But
Speaker 1: when people don't have healthcare and they don't get immunized
Speaker 1: according to schedule this is the story, and so it's
Speaker 1: a symptom of a bigger collapse of our healthcare system,
Speaker 1: and particularly of our preventative healthcare system. And unfortunately, I
Speaker 1: think this story is just going to grow because our
Speaker 1: system is overwhelmed, it's ineffective, there's so much mistrust right
Speaker 1: now anyway, But this is a this is a flashing, flashing,
Speaker 1: flashing red flag because this really should not happen. Well,
Speaker 1: let me ask you this too. Didn't we stop immune
Speaker 1: and immunizing people against polio because we thought that it
Speaker 1: was eradicated. Like I'm trying to figure out whether or
Speaker 1: not I was vaccinated for polio. Yeah I was, okay, Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: The thing is we stopped. We stopped because there's there's
Speaker 1: still more pollio around. But we're gonna have to scramble
Speaker 1: scramble that front. Smallpox is another thing to keep in mind, right,
Speaker 1: we stopped I think in nineteen seventy three, I think,
Speaker 1: or sometime around then for smallpox because there was no
Speaker 1: more smallpox. But it turned out people like me who
Speaker 1: got the smallpox vaccine when I was a kid, because
Speaker 1: there still was the potent, so had some immunity. But
Speaker 1: we're gonna We're gonna have to go back to that regiment.
Speaker 1: I mean, unfortunately, the issue is think about how we
Speaker 1: got there, right, We had tents all over the country
Speaker 1: and nurses and healthcare everything, and it was a national thing,
Speaker 1: and everybody was like showing their arm after getting vaccinated
Speaker 1: stuff like that, like kind of like it was in
Speaker 1: the beginning with COVID when the first set a vaccine.
Speaker 1: But to stop this thing, you're going to need a
Speaker 1: similar level of investment and I don't see that happening
Speaker 1: right now. We can't even pass funding to get the
Speaker 1: next COVID vaccine. So this is a this is a moment,
Speaker 1: you know, Honestly, I agree that this is a moment. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't even know. I wanted to leave on a
Speaker 1: good note, but I can't think of one. Um, well,
Speaker 1: it's it's funny, you know. It's funny to say that,
Speaker 1: because like I don't know if it's me everybody else,
Speaker 1: but like I do Twitter a lot, and like every
Speaker 1: other tweet now is some funny story with animals. Are
Speaker 1: you getting that also or is it just like maybe
Speaker 1: because I started clicking on it because I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: look at that cute little panda who can like play
Speaker 1: tic tac toe or something like that. But but I
Speaker 1: am getting a lot of cheerful animal videos on my
Speaker 1: Twitter feed, so it's like doom death, doom death. Oh
Speaker 1: that dog knows how to use an ATM. How cute,
Speaker 1: you know, something like that. So yeah, everyone needs to
Speaker 1: have some ballet during these times. As always, doctor Jonathan Mets,
Speaker 1: so we appreciate you, and you know, God knows what
Speaker 1: virus will be talking about next week, but you know,
Speaker 1: we'll just roll the dice. I'm looking forward to it.
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