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Speaker 1: dot Com, the Giants, the Giants Podcast Network. All right,

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Speaker 1: we're back here on the Giant Shuttle Podcast. Very happy

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Speaker 1: to have one of the best national NFL reporters in

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Speaker 1: the business from Sports Illustrated, the one and only Albert Brier.

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Speaker 1: His Monday Morning Quarterback is must read for football fans

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Speaker 1: and Monday Afternoon Quarterback as well. Um on Sports Allociated.

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Speaker 1: Make sure you guys go check that out. He was

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Speaker 1: at the Giants joint practice with the Jets on Thursday afternoon,

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Speaker 1: kind enough to give us a few minutes, um, shortly thereafter, Albert,

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Speaker 1: this is the end of your training camp traveils this summer.

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Speaker 1: How has it been good? Good? Um, you know, it's

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Speaker 1: actually it feels like completely back to normal now, which

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Speaker 1: has been awesome. And um, it's always good to go

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Speaker 1: and see everybody, and like, yeah, I think after the

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Speaker 1: last few years, just like the value of face to

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Speaker 1: face communications fantastic and so yeah, I mean twenty four

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Speaker 1: It's been. It's been great just to be able to

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Speaker 1: for when I'm doing this. Absolutely, and and we'll go

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Speaker 1: keep it really general. What was your takeaways from Giants

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Speaker 1: and Jets today? Besides the fact that there were no fights.

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Speaker 1: disappointed there, But uh no, it was great. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I I think you can kind of see, you know,

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Speaker 1: you see them come in UM now Joe Douglas has

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Speaker 1: sort of see the speed with which they're moving. Now.

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Speaker 1: UM doesn't mean they're gonna break through and make the

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Speaker 1: um coming together on the field, and and it's showing

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Speaker 1: up in like the way that they practice, the way

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Speaker 1: this goes wrong, that goes wrong. Obviously their challenges ahead

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Speaker 1: Night Football. Thanks for being with us on this episode

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