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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're dang right.

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Speaker 3: Week six in the National Football League, and my gosh,

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Speaker 3: we've got some stuff to discuss. Because we can all

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Speaker 3: relate to this, Kyle, especially since you and I are

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Speaker 3: both parents, we can all relate to the idea of

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Speaker 3: when you've got a problem in life, you fix it

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Speaker 3: by going too far in the other direction.

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Speaker 2: I've got teenagers.

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Speaker 3: Everybody who's got teenagers is worried about screen time. You're

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Speaker 3: be able to function and do their homework and be

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Speaker 3: reachable and all of that stuff. Kyle, I believe that

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Speaker 3: this has now happened in football with regard to the

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Speaker 3: idea of, oh, just run the clock out, be conservative,

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Speaker 3: take what is given to you. We have reached a

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Speaker 3: day and age where coaches have been beaten to a

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Speaker 3: pulp with the idea of being too conservative, that they

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Speaker 3: have now swung it way too far in the other direction.

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Speaker 3: The aggressiveness is nuts. And for example, it just cost

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Speaker 3: the Eagles a football game.

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Speaker 1: It certainly did. And you know, again, at the same

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Speaker 1: time you talk about conservative aggressive, what's your approach?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 1: Oftentimes you know, I remember back when I played for

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Speaker 1: Mike Zimmer in Minnesota defensive head coach. You know, he

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Speaker 1: called plays for us on defensive majority of the time

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Speaker 1: the opposing quarterback was and situationally, it would dictate based

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Speaker 1: on who were we going against Aaron Rodgers in Green Bay?

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Speaker 1: Were we going against Tom Brady and New England? You know,

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Speaker 1: guys like that. When you're the Philadelphia Eagles and you

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Speaker 1: think it was about a minute fifty left on the clock,

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Speaker 1: Hand the ball off, Hand the ball off, run the clock. Hello,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna okay. So you hand the ball off at

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Speaker 1: a minute fifty. The play last a couple seconds, he

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Speaker 1: gets tackled. You run the clock a full forty seconds.

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Speaker 1: You take your delay game, so you get that down

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Speaker 1: Wilson go beat you that. They have scored twelve points

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Speaker 1: best rushes in football. Like let your you're almost the

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Speaker 1: best part of your defense, probably the best part of

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Speaker 1: your defense. Go get after the quarterback and win the

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Speaker 1: game on defense. I just you know, to the whole point. Now,

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Speaker 1: if Aaron Rodgers is on the other sideline right now

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Speaker 1: and you make that play on you know, third and six,

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Speaker 1: and you're trying to say, you know what, we didn't

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Speaker 1: want to give him the ball back. We're getting that

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Speaker 1: first down and going to run the clock out. I

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Speaker 1: get it. I'm totally okay if that's the decision.

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Speaker 2: I get it.

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Speaker 3: But by the same token, while we're talking about the

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Speaker 3: coaching decision, and I agree with you completely, some of

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Speaker 3: this does need to fall on Jalen Hurts as well.

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Speaker 3: There's a big difference between taking a chance by throwing

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Speaker 3: big difference between that and throwing a turnover worthy play,

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Speaker 3: which is what Jalen did. And it ended up not

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Speaker 3: even being like. It wasn't a batted ball, it wasn't

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Speaker 3: a bad bounce. It was just an easy pick for

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Speaker 3: a Jets defender that then takes it all the way

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Speaker 3: down inside the ten yard line and Breisee Hall runs

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Speaker 3: it in on the very next play and the Jets

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Speaker 3: win the game.

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Speaker 2: But Kyle, this is not this is not just Nick Sirianni.

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Speaker 3: You and I have had this conversation about the Chargers

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Speaker 3: coaches the Oregon Ducks go for it repeatedly on fourth

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Speaker 3: I'm looking at Kyle Shanahan with the forty nine Ers,

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Speaker 3: the Niners had their chance to kick their own.

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Speaker 2: But you get the idea.

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Speaker 3: It's like, I don't know what happened to these coaches

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Speaker 1: Well, and going back to the Philadelphia Eagles today and

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Speaker 1: Nick Sirianni and who knows he may have said this

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Speaker 1: in Jalen hurts his head set. You know, it's a

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Speaker 1: an opportunity where in the headset before it cuts out,

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Speaker 1: it's hey, Jalen, we're throwing the football here. If you've

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Speaker 1: got somebody wide open, let it rip. If you don't

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Speaker 1: have a guaranteed completion, take a sack. I don't care.

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Speaker 1: Just take off running, do whatever the clock has to run.

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Speaker 1: But if I do call the pass play and you

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Speaker 1: have a guaranteed completion. Take it. You know, it's a

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Speaker 1: Goddard that was the intended target. There's two guys right there.

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Speaker 1: One of them picked it off. Then it's like if

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Speaker 1: he's an incredible athlete. If he takes off running, you know,

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Just an incredible sort of tournative events here and

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Speaker 3: spotlights a lot of stuff because the Eagles and the

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Speaker 3: I mean, here, this game as you know better than anyone.

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Speaker 3: all of that stuff. But that's sort of in a

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Speaker 3: think what's given to you, play smart. What I also think, Kyle,

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Speaker 3: I've got to I've got to get the first down

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Speaker 3: and keep the ball in my hands, rather than trust

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, if I'm Hassan Riddick, I'm beside myself,

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Speaker 1: like kick the ball to him. Let me go back

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Speaker 1: five sacks on the day. They're going to go get

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Speaker 1: football every time. They're probably inside their own twenty yard line,

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Speaker 1: no timeouts and need a field goal. That's the ideal

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Speaker 1: time to get after the quarterback. And they said the

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Speaker 1: just they have a rotation of elite rusher after elite

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Speaker 3: and we're all over all of the NFL angles as

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Speaker 3: Night or with the Cowboys and the Chargers. Unfortunate, Kyle,

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Speaker 3: a break from that this week. But I wonder if

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Speaker 3: because to me, this does this does start to feel

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Speaker 3: blame end of fan pressure. Trends and analytics are coming

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Speaker 3: together in such a way that it's just go for it,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and this actually got brought up and I had

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Speaker 1: Ohio State and at Purdue this week and we're talking

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Speaker 1: don't account for emotion. You know, analytics may tell you

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Speaker 1: what is the best way to score the most points,

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Speaker 1: the most points. In some of these situations, scoring more

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Speaker 1: it was funny that that conversation came up because it

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Speaker 2: No doubt about it.

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Speaker 3: Also, huge day for injuries around the league, and maybe

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Speaker 3: So it might be good to hop through each and

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Speaker 3: every one of those big injuries, give you an update

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Speaker 3: on where they're at, and Kyle, maybe get a thought

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Speaker 3: But there's obviously something to it, and I acknowledge what

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Speaker 3: of our team in here, Steve de Seger, and find

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Speaker 3: out what is trending on this Sunday night. Hey Steve, Hello, gentlemen.

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Speaker 6: Let's start with what's going going on right now in Buffalo.

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Speaker 6: The Sunday night NFL game quickly a couple of months

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Speaker 6: on each side and three minutes in its scoreless Giants

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Speaker 6: against the Bills. Giants running back Saquon Barkley is active

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Speaker 6: in this game, too, carries two yards on the first drive.

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Speaker 6: He'd had the ankle injury to Rod Taylor as the

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Speaker 6: starting quarterback tonight, ECX of Buffalo among his teams, The

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Speaker 6: Giants are Taylor's sixth NFL squad. Giants quarterback Daniel Jones

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Speaker 6: out tonight with a neck injury. Jones has been sacked

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Speaker 6: twenty eight times in five games. The Jets defeated Philadelphia

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Speaker 6: twenty to fourteen. Cleveland upset San Francisco nineteen to seven.

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Speaker 6: We have no more unbeaten teams left in the NFL.

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Speaker 6: In fact, the stat Folks from the Elias Sports Bureau says,

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Speaker 6: with this Brown's upset victory and the Jets late win

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Speaker 6: today marks the first time since the merger over fifty

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Speaker 6: years ago that two teams five and zero are better

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Speaker 6: each lost to opponent with a five hundred or worst

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Speaker 6: record in the same week. The Jets win was twenty

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Speaker 6: to fourteen against the Eagles on a touch down run

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Speaker 6: with under two minutes to go Cleveland nineteen seventeen over

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Speaker 6: San Francisco. Running back Christian McCaffrey left with an oblique injury.

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Speaker 6: Wide receiver Deebo Samuel left early with a shoulder injury

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Speaker 6: MRIs for them on Monday, and for San Francisco at

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Speaker 6: the end, they missed a forty one yard field goal

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Speaker 6: attempt in the final seconds. Bear's quarterback Justin Field suffered

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Speaker 6: a dislocated thumb MRI. Coming Monday, Chicago lost at home

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Speaker 6: to Minnesota nineteen thirteen vikings. Meanwhile, Carolina's ozho and six

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Speaker 6: after Miami blitz them forty two to twenty one Raheem

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Speaker 6: Moster three touchdowns, Las Vegas held on to defeat New

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Speaker 6: England twenty one seventeen. The Patriots record one and five

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Speaker 6: Raiders quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo left with a back injury. Detroit

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Speaker 6: got a victory at Tampa Bay twenty to six. Amnross

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Speaker 6: Saint Brown twelve receptions, one hundred and twenty four yards

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Speaker 6: at a score. The Rams feed Arizona twenty six to nine.

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Speaker 6: Kyra and Williams twenty carries, one hundred and fifty eight

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Speaker 6: yards and a touchdown. He did have a late ankle injury.

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Speaker 6: The team does not seem too concerned. It was Cincinnati

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Speaker 6: over Seattle seventeen thirteen. The Bengals are three and zero

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Speaker 6: against the NFC West oh and three against the AFC.

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Speaker 6: Victories for Jacksonville and Washington, wins for Houston and for Tennessee.

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Speaker 6: The Houston Astros are underway and already down one nothing

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Speaker 6: to the Texas Rangers in Game one of the ALCS.

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Speaker 6: It's top of the second on Fox TV. Justin Verlander

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Speaker 6: the starting pitcher in Houston, but he's allowed an RBI

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Speaker 6: single here in the second inning. And Washington is up

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Speaker 6: to number five. In the new College Football polls, the

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Speaker 6: top four stayed the same. Notre Dame moved up to

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Speaker 6: number fifteen, in ap USC fell to number eighteen six

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Speaker 6: of the PAC twelve teams are ranked in the top

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Speaker 6: twenty five. Six of the SEC's fourteen teams are in

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Speaker 6: the top twenty and by the way, in the Big twelve,

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Speaker 6: only two teams in the polls Texas and Oklahoma, who

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Speaker 6: are each leaving back to you.

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Speaker 2: Bye bye.

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Speaker 3: Indeed, although isn't everybody leaving everywhere in college football, that's

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Speaker 3: the way it works. Now Live ti rack dot Com

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Speaker 3: Studios Mark with Kyle Rudolph keeping an eye on Sunday

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Speaker 3: night football. Keep you up today to Rod Taylor against

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Speaker 3: his old squad in the Buffalo Bills.

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Speaker 2: Should be interesting.

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Speaker 3: There more on that in a moment, but not quite

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Speaker 3: done with this forty nine ers in Brock Purty conversation.

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Speaker 3: Here's what gets me about the whole thing, and it's

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Speaker 3: a drum beat. I knew what was coming it just

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Speaker 3: as a matter of when you know that someone that

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Speaker 3: the first loss, the first interception of the year, the

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Speaker 3: first like really quote unquote bad game of a career.

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Speaker 3: You knew all this stuff was coming. But I've made

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Speaker 3: no bones about this. Kyle. I'm a huge fan of

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Speaker 3: Brock Party. I'm incredibly impressed by him, by the story,

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Speaker 3: by his play all of it, and I think we're

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Speaker 3: well passed the whole small sample sized conversation. So maybe

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Speaker 3: you can help me. What exactly am I supposed to

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Speaker 3: say to a person that watches fifteen football games and

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Speaker 3: sees the same result fifteen times and keeps going, Eh,

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Speaker 3: I'm not convinced. That's a pretty small sample. I really,

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Speaker 3: I just I don't know what to do. I think

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Speaker 3: maybe there's some other reasons for this. You do that

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Speaker 3: fifteen times in a row, and then when the one

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Speaker 3: game comes that you've been waiting for, which is one

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Speaker 3: fifteenth of the size of the rest of your sample,

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Speaker 3: you go see told you just a system QB who

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Speaker 3: can't play without Christian and Deebo. Help me, Kyle, what

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Speaker 3: am I supposed to do with this person? Because I'm

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Speaker 3: about to talk to this person all week here in

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Speaker 3: San Francisco.

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Speaker 1: You can't talk to that person, so you're in for

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Speaker 1: a long week in San Francisco work. So I just

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Speaker 1: apologize to you on that one. You're not going to

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Speaker 1: be able to get through to that person because, just

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Speaker 1: as they said, fifteen games, it's not a big enough

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Speaker 1: sample size. But then they prove their point with one game,

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Speaker 1: which clearly is not a big enough sample size. So

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Speaker 1: again I talked just before we went to that last

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Speaker 1: break that the style of football that the Cleveland Browns

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Speaker 1: defense played, and the way that they physically attacked the

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Speaker 1: line of scrimmage, the pressure that they put on the quarterback,

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Speaker 1: the elements. You know, we're not here to make excuses

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Speaker 1: for Brock Party, but I'm here to tell you what

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Speaker 1: makes good quarterbacks struggle, and they were able to manufacture

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Speaker 1: that today. Obviously the elements they weren't able to manufacture,

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Speaker 1: but that certainly helped as well.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely no excuses.

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Speaker 3: I have no problem stating what are the facts here,

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Speaker 3: which is that Rock Party had a rough game. There

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Speaker 3: were absolutely some things that he did not do well.

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Speaker 3: By the same token, I do wonder this kind of thing.

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Speaker 3: This is, you know, forever, we've always dealt with stuff

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Speaker 3: like this. But you and I were texting right as

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Speaker 3: we got to the point where there was just a

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Speaker 3: couple of minutes left in the game, and you said,

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Speaker 3: huge opportunity here for a young quarterback because that was

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Speaker 3: his first ever two minute drill while trailing, and he

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Speaker 3: got the team into range for a forty one yard

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Speaker 3: field goal. Wasn't perfect there. There certainly were a couple

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Speaker 3: of throws that were not great on that drive. He

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Speaker 3: had the benefit of a penalty that got called against

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Speaker 3: the Cleveland Browns. But if that field goal goes through

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Speaker 3: the uprights, would probably have a very very different conversation

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Speaker 3: that we're having about the way that brock Perdy played.

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Speaker 3: And he had nothing to do with that field goal.

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Speaker 1: Right well in the conversation and would have still been, Oh,

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Speaker 1: is this is this the recipe to slow down the

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Speaker 1: San Francisco forty nine ers offense? And I think the

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Speaker 1: answer be yes, and everyone knew that, But that doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean you're able to do it. I think everyone. I

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Speaker 1: guarantee you. Last week Dallas had the same plan that

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Speaker 1: Cleveland had and it didn't go the same way. So

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Speaker 1: it's not necessarily easy to execute the plan that Cleveland

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Speaker 1: had against San fran today. But on the flip side,

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Speaker 1: when brock perty gets that ball in the two minute

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Speaker 1: drill at the end of the game, his job is

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Speaker 1: to essentially get to the plus thirty on the other

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Speaker 1: side of the field. Every team it's the exact same thing.

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Speaker 1: You know, nah, plus thirty five. You feel pretty good

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Speaker 1: about it, but your goal is to get to the

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Speaker 1: plus thirty, and he did that. He got them inside

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Speaker 1: the thirty gave him an opportunity to kick a forty

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Speaker 1: one yardfield goal. Certainly, Kyle said it after the game

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Speaker 1: that there's plenty of other mistakes throughout and it's the

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Speaker 1: way that always is. There's a one play at the

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Speaker 1: end of the game that ultimately cost the team the game,

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Speaker 1: but it's not what cost them the game because there's

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Speaker 1: so many things that lead up to it. He talked

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Speaker 1: about it that the mistakes on offense are what cost

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Speaker 1: them the game, not the missfield goal at the end

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Speaker 1: of the game. They wouldn't have been in that situation

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Speaker 1: without the mistakes they made earlier. But you got to

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Speaker 1: like what you saw from brock Going doing exactly what

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Speaker 1: he was supposed to do, getting the ball into Brandon

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Speaker 1: Ayuk's hands and guys like that to move the ball

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Speaker 1: downfield and at least give him a chance to knock

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Speaker 1: in a forty one yard field goal.

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Speaker 3: Eagles and forty nine Ers take a step down in

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Speaker 3: your book or how would you describe how you're feeling

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Speaker 3: about him about after today?

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Speaker 1: No, I mean I think the Eagles and forty nine

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Speaker 1: Ers are still the class of the NFC. But you know,

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Speaker 1: we had talked about San fran Dallas, Philly struggled a

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Speaker 1: little bit early, one team that I think needs to

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Speaker 1: be in that category now. And if you don't, if

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Speaker 1: you say Dallas isn't up there anymore and it's just

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Speaker 1: San Franco Philly, I think Detroit has to be in

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Speaker 1: this conversation with these teams. I'm sure we'll talk about

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Speaker 1: it more later in the show, but it's like, if

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Speaker 1: we're talking about the class of the NFC, Detroit has

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Speaker 1: to be in that conversation. They've won twelve out of

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Speaker 1: the last fifteen games. We're closing in on a calendar

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Speaker 1: year here where they've only lost three games. So I

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Speaker 1: think Detroit has to be in that category. But certainly

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Speaker 1: the forty nine ers and the Eagles, they don't take

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Speaker 1: a step back, But I do you look at Philly's

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Speaker 1: schedule coming up. We're going to find out in a

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Speaker 1: hurry if this Philly team is the Philly team from

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Speaker 1: last year and kind of built on that, and if

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Speaker 1: this five and zero start was real and the Jets

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Speaker 1: thing was just kind of a fluke. Now, this Jets

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Speaker 1: defense has made a lot of good offenses look bad

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Speaker 1: through the first five games, first six games, so you know,

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Speaker 1: we won't discredit the defense there, but you look at

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Speaker 1: their next few games Dolphins, Commanders, Cowboys, Chiefs, Bills, Niners, Cowboys, Seahawks,

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Speaker 1: like we're gonna find out. We're to find out or

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Speaker 1: the next week you know if Philly is the cream

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Speaker 1: of the crop in the NFC or not.

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Speaker 3: More on that coming up, because I actually had a

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Speaker 3: conversation with a with my partner here in the Bay

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Speaker 3: this week on Aaron. I said to him, because the

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Speaker 3: forty nine ers are playing the Eagles on December third,

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Speaker 3: and as I'll promise you right now that by the

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Speaker 3: time we get to that game, the Eagles will have

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Speaker 3: at least two losses, and after today, I'm thinking maybe

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Speaker 3: it should actually be at least three losses because you

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Speaker 3: just rolled through it real quick. We should go a

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Speaker 3: little deeper into that NFC power structure coming up next,

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Speaker 3: because what the Eagles are facing is quite frankly, unlike

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Speaker 3: anything I've seen a team go through in recent memory

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Speaker 3: in the NFL. That's around the corner with Kyle Rudolph,

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Speaker 3: Mark Willard. It's Fox Sports Radio, Tyrag Dot com Studios,

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Speaker 3: Mark Willard, Kyle Rudolph.

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Speaker 2: All right, this is how it goes. Home to Miami,

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Speaker 2: then at Washington.

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Speaker 3: Washington has given the Eagles fits the last twelve months.

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Speaker 3: Then home to the Dallas Cowboys. It's tough three game stretch.

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Speaker 3: Then you get a week off. Then how about this

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Speaker 3: for a three game stretch at the Chiefs, home to

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Speaker 3: the Bills, home to the forty nine Ers. Oh, once

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Speaker 3: you're through with that, don't forget your back to back

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Speaker 3: road trip to Dallas and Seattle. Every single last one

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Speaker 3: of them save the Washington Commanders, a playoff team from

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Speaker 3: a year ago and a record in their hip houcket

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Speaker 3: this year that suggests all of them will be playoff

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Speaker 3: teams yet again this year. Unbelievable eight game stretch that

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Speaker 3: the Eagles now face. Oh, by the way, coming off

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Speaker 3: of an unbelievable last minute loss at the hands of

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Speaker 3: the New York Jets. I don't know, man, I don't

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Speaker 3: know what the prediction would be. As I said, I

652
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Speaker 3: had said going into this weekend that the Eagles would

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Speaker 3: have at least two losses by the time they get

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Speaker 3: to the forty nine er portion of that. On December third,

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Speaker 3: I'd probably bump that more up to like three. Now

656
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Speaker 3: we'll see, but yeah, I think with that eight game

657
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Speaker 3: stretch they would be doing just fine to get out

658
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Speaker 3: of that thing even five and three, four and four.

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Speaker 3: I do not see the Eagles as a thirteen win

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Speaker 3: football team this year.

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Speaker 1: Well, you mentioned the Commanders as probably the weakest opponent

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Speaker 1: in that eight game stretch, and that's a team that

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Speaker 1: if their players weren't tired, they had a chance to

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Speaker 1: go for two to win the game the last time

665
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Speaker 1: they play them, and they decided to kick the extra

666
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Speaker 1: point and go into overtime. And they're the ones that

667
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Speaker 1: beat them last year to you know, have their first

668
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Speaker 1: blemish on their records. So you know there's so many

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Speaker 1: times and that's at Washington. So it's these division opponents

670
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Speaker 1: oftentimes can be tougher than some of these big you know,

671
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Speaker 1: crossover AFC, Dolphins, Chiefs, Bills, because those division opponents, just

672
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Speaker 1: you play them twice a year, they know you, they

673
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Speaker 1: know how to beat you, they know what gives you problems.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, I think if you look at if

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Speaker 1: you're a Philly and you're talking about going just to

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Speaker 1: the next five games leading up to that Sam fran game.

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Speaker 1: You know their goals probably you know obviously their goals

678
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Speaker 1: to be five and zero, But realistically it's like if

679
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Speaker 1: they're if they're four and one, they're really happy. If

680
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Speaker 1: they're three and two, they're probably happy because then you're

681
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Speaker 1: eight and three going out having Sam frad and come

682
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Speaker 1: play you. But it's like, man, you talked about that

683
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Speaker 1: eight game stretch, that's as tough as I've ever seen.

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Speaker 1: Just looking at a schedule in season at this point.

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Speaker 3: I also do wonder about what we're really looking at

686
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Speaker 3: With the Philadelphia Eagles. There's not like there's any question

687
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Speaker 3: with regard to whether or not it's a good team,

688
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Speaker 3: whether or not they're one of the best teams in

689
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Speaker 3: the NFC. But every year you have to kind of

690
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Speaker 3: reinvent yourself because other teams are going to be studying

691
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Speaker 3: you all off season. We know about the brotherly shove,

692
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Speaker 3: we know how fantastic they are in the trenches, But

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Speaker 3: I wonder Jalen Hurts last year, from a narrative standpoint,

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Speaker 3: joined the group of the elite in terms of quarterbacks

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Speaker 3: around the league. Yet this year he's looking at six

696
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Speaker 3: touchdowns and four interceptions. He's picked off three times in

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Speaker 3: this game. Today, you know, DeVante Smith is not really

698
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Speaker 3: able to get going. The ability to spread the ball

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Speaker 3: out has changed. I don't know if defenses have caught

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Speaker 3: up a little bit to what the Eagles are doing.

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Speaker 3: But you mentioned this a few weeks ago. I'm having

702
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Speaker 3: a hard time putting my finger on it. But some's

703
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Speaker 3: not quite right with the Eagles this year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's in Indianapolis. I think, you know, just you know,

705
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Speaker 1: you got to give Shane Stiken credit for what he

706
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Speaker 1: did with that offense. And he was able to maximize

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Speaker 1: Jalen Hurt's playmaking ability, you know, knowing when to run

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Speaker 1: your quarterback and how much to run your quarterback. And

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Speaker 1: oh if I put him in drop back pass and

710
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Speaker 1: he takes off, that's not a designed quarterback run. And

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Speaker 1: I just I think, you know, this was what I

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Speaker 1: was hesitant about earlier in the year, and I said,

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Speaker 1: I think it was after a week two and when

714
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Speaker 1: they played Minnesota. Minnesota turned it over four times in

715
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Speaker 1: the first half. They should have blown him out, and

716
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Speaker 1: they didn't. They just kind of let him hang around

717
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Speaker 1: because they and figure it out on offense, until ultimately

718
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 1: they just went thirteen plays thirteen runs and went right

719
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Speaker 1: down the field on the vikings And you're not gonna

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Speaker 1: be able to do that every week. But I think

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Speaker 1: it's this still feeling out process of having two new

722
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Speaker 1: play callers on both sides of the ball. You know,

723
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Speaker 1: you got to give credit to Shane Stikeen and look

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Speaker 1: what he's done with Anthony Richardson just in Indy. I

725
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Speaker 1: know he's hurt now, but he's a guy that I

726
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Speaker 1: felt like each of the last four weeks we were

727
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Speaker 1: talking about, look at this rookie, look what he's doing.

728
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Speaker 1: So I think that's a big part of it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no doubt about it. I mean, still right there

730
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Speaker 3: at the top. But I love what you said a

731
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Speaker 3: couple of minutes ago to about the Detroit Lions. You

732
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Speaker 3: just can't flick off things like what they did today

733
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Speaker 3: going on the road. It's a team that's known for

734
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Speaker 3: playing so well indoors. They go into an outdoor game

735
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Speaker 3: against the Tampa Bay Bucks team that's you know, been

736
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Speaker 3: better than we thought they'd and their defense, the Lions

737
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Speaker 3: defense is just holding people under the thumb so far

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Speaker 3: this year, which I think is something that we really

739
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Speaker 3: should talk about more. Coming up next the Niners, the

740
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Speaker 3: Lions the Eagles. Is that actually the balance of power

741
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Speaker 3: in the NFC? And I got a team to throw

742
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Speaker 3: at you in the AFC as well, Kyle. We'll do

743
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Speaker 3: that coming up next. Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 3: Wait, the Jets beat the Eagles, the Browns beat the

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Speaker 3: forty nine ers, and the Bills trail the Giants without

750
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Speaker 3: their quarterback. I know it's early, but still crazy stuff

751
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Speaker 3: happens all the time in the NFL, So why not

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Speaker 3: this I'll explain in just a second, as we welcome

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Speaker 3: would I be crazy to say that the Lions and

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Speaker 3: the Jags are going to play in the Super Bowl?

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Speaker 3: I mean, is it crazy?

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Speaker 1: I personally, I don't think it's crazy to say. I mean,

762
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Speaker 1: you just look at the I think the Lions have

763
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Speaker 1: a stronger body of work than the Jags. But you know,

764
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Speaker 1: certainly look at Jacksonville recently. It's kind of what they

765
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Speaker 1: did last year. They got off to a bit of

766
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Speaker 1: a slow start, then they started to play really good football.

767
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Speaker 1: And you know, that's certainly what they're they're doing right now.

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Speaker 1: Coming off you go over to London and get a

769
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Speaker 1: big win against Buffalo, then you come back and win.

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Speaker 1: Winning out of the London trip is huge. I mean,

771
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Speaker 1: when you don't take your buy, it's such an advantage

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Speaker 1: to get a few more wins under your belt and

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Speaker 1: get that buy later in the season.

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Speaker 3: Well, I look at the Jags body of war as

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Speaker 3: you put it, in a big double digit win over

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Speaker 3: the Indianapolis Colts. Today they've got the win in the

777
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Speaker 3: hip pocket against Buffalo. We'll see if that matters for

778
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Speaker 3: seeding down the stretch. There are two losses. They lost

779
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Speaker 3: to the Kansas City Chiefs. They lost to the Houston Texans,

780
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Speaker 3: which at the time looked like an absolutely ridiculous loss.

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Speaker 3: But the Texans are a much more viable team than

782
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Speaker 3: maybe we thought they were. I'm not saying it's a

783
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Speaker 3: great team, but it's certainly a team that will give

784
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Speaker 3: you a game.

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Speaker 2: And CJ.

786
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Speaker 3: Stroud has been impressive as a rookie. So just in

787
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Speaker 3: looking at the Jags sort of right their ship. And

788
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Speaker 3: I'm not making a prediction at all. I'm not telling

789
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Speaker 3: you the Lions are going to play the Jags in

790
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Speaker 3: the Super Bowl. I'm telling you it's not a crazy

791
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 3: thought if I bounce around the league. And it's quite

792
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 3: frankly too early for Super Bowl conversations anyway. But when

793
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Speaker 3: you look at now a blemish for the Eagles, the

794
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Speaker 3: forty nine ers, the Lions have the exact same record.

795
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Speaker 2: You look at the way they play football.

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Speaker 3: The fact that they are now balanced, They've been able

797
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Speaker 3: to run it, they've been able to throw it. They've

798
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Speaker 3: got a very very good defense, well, at least in

799
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Speaker 3: terms of scoring.

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Speaker 2: Defense is playing well. Now go to the AFC.

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Speaker 3: Think about what the Bills just lost defensively because of injuries.

802
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 3: The fact that whether it's because there aren't enough weapons

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Speaker 3: or whatever it is, the Chiefs have lost their dynamic flavor.

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Speaker 3: It just feels like the teams we expected to be

805
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 3: there are there, but maybe not quite as dominant as

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Speaker 3: we thought they would be.

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Speaker 1: Well, And we were talking about the NFC and the

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Speaker 1: Eagles and the Niners kind of being the class of

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Speaker 1: the NFC, and I think there's a stronger argument to

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Speaker 1: be made that the Lions deserved to be in that

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Speaker 1: category than say, hey, the Chiefs right now are the

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Speaker 1: class of the AFC at sitting at five and one,

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Speaker 1: and certainly they've had playmakers that have it's been a

814
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Speaker 1: revolving door at the receiver position since Tyreek Hill left.

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Speaker 1: But the Chiefs are still the Chiefs, and you know,

816
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Speaker 1: they're five and one. So you give the Chiefs the

817
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Speaker 1: credit that they deserve. So is it crazy to say

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Speaker 1: that Jacksonville could get to the Super Bowl? Absolutely? I

819
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Speaker 1: don't think you necessarily put them up there in that

820
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Speaker 1: class with the Chiefs just yet. But when you look

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Speaker 1: at Jacksonville and the way that they are built, the

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Speaker 1: quarterback position, the running game, the skill players that they

823
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Speaker 1: have on offense, the rushers that they have on defense,

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Speaker 1: it's a team that it's not a crazy prediction to say, hey,

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Speaker 1: you know, as long as they don't blow a twenty

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Speaker 1: seven point lead or you know, come back from down

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Speaker 1: twenty seven to the playoffs, something crazy like they had

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Speaker 1: in their wild card game last year against the Chargers. Hey,

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Speaker 1: this could be a team that makes some noise in

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Speaker 1: the AFC playoff picture. I would certainly agree with that.

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Speaker 3: I tell you what, I'm just sort of thinking in

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Speaker 3: terms of how do you find a party crasher. I

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Speaker 3: know the way the average NFL fan thinks. They think

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Speaker 3: it's gonna be the Chiefs and the Bills in the

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Speaker 3: AFC title game, the Eagles and the Niners in the

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Speaker 3: NFC Title game, and then there'll be other players in

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Speaker 3: this story who are just sort of fodder along the way,

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Speaker 3: whether it be the Dallas Cowboys, the Baltimore Ravens, and

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Speaker 3: even teams like what we're discussing, the Lions, the Jags.

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00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 3: We should throw the Miami Dolphins into this. They are

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Speaker 3: five and one alongside Chiefs, Eagles, Lions, forty nine Ers.

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00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 3: Those are the best records in the NFL. But I

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00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 3: still feel like people, when cornered, believe that that's the

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Speaker 3: final four, and I'm just saying, based on what I

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Speaker 3: see right now, I would bet against it. I think

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Speaker 3: that there's gonna be some party crashing going on. I

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00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,439
Speaker 3: think that there are some issues with the Bills health.

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Speaker 3: There's some issues with the Eagles on offense. There's some

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Speaker 3: issues with the Chiefs on offense, for sure. So I

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Speaker 3: look around and I see teams that are doing some

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Speaker 3: good things.

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Speaker 2: On both sides of the ball.

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Speaker 3: That, by the way, is why I'm not a huge

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00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 3: believer in the Miami Dolphins. Very good football team, but

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Speaker 3: it's mostly on offense. I do not think they've got

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Speaker 3: a playoff defense. When I watched the Lions, Kyle, that

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00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 3: looks like a team that can't just win in October.

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Speaker 3: It looks like a team that could win in January.

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Speaker 1: Well, the narrative has been that they can't win outside

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Speaker 1: their dome, and you talked about it just before we

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Speaker 1: went to break in. Certainly, I'm not saying that the

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Speaker 1: seventy seven and low humidity, perfect weather that they played

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Speaker 1: in today in Tampa was any kind of elements whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: Basically was like another game in a dome. But the

865
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 1: way that they perform today Jared goff three over three

866
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 1: hundred yards, two touchdowns, A defense holds, you know again,

867
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 1: and the Bucks were team that you got to give

868
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 1: the Bucks credit. They started three to one because they

869
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: know how to win football games. You know what they

870
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 1: have to do that makes them successful on Sundays, and

871
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 1: that's running the football Baker be inefficient and playing really

872
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 1: really good defense. Well, they stopped the run Jared goff

873
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 1: I mentioned over three hundred yards and two touchdowns against

874
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 1: a Todd Bowles knows how to call defense, and that

875
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 1: defense was playing as good as anybody through the first

876
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: four games of the season. And they went down to

877
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay and really put it on them, held the

878
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 1: Bucks offense to two field goals, really nothing all day

879
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: for them on offense. So yeah, I think the Lions

880
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: are certainly going to be the team that comes out

881
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: of the NFC North. We've talked about the rest of

882
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 1: the NFC North, but don't be surprised if they're a

883
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 1: team that travels in the playoffs and can do some damage.

884
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 2: I agree with you.

885
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 3: I mean, you sort of blow off the road environment today,

886
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 3: but look at their other two road wins this year.

887
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 3: They've won in Kansas City and lambeau Field. And I

888
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 3: realized we're not in December. The weather hasn't set in yet.

889
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 3: But Kyle, come on, that was aerow ahead in lambeau

890
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know a Lions team that

891
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 3: that has been able to do that kind of a

892
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:08,760
Speaker 3: two step before.

893
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 1: Well, and you go back to the last win of

894
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: the regular season last year, Week eighteen at lambeau you know,

895
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 1: January in Lambo and they knock off the Packers, who

896
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 1: Detroit wasn't winning. We're in. They had to win and

897
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 1: get some help green Bay was winning. We're in. So

898
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,320
Speaker 1: that's you know, basically a playoff game at lambeau Field

899
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: for the Packers, and you get the Lion's credit because

900
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:34,359
Speaker 1: they went there and they beat them.

901
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 3: And then I look at the Jacksonville situation and you

902
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 3: mentioned this. I don't know what Trevor Lawrence's status is

903
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 3: going to be, but they've got a road game on

904
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 3: Thursday night at New Orleans, so they've got to turn

905
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:48,479
Speaker 3: right around and do this four days later.

906
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,240
Speaker 2: This is after back to back games in London.

907
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 3: I know people gave them a heck of a lot

908
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 3: of an advantage for the second game in London because

909
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 3: they got to stay there for the entire week. But

910
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 3: I'm sure to put myself in the shoes of a

911
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 3: Jaguars player right now and look at physically what has

912
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 3: been asked of them in the month of October to

913
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 3: go London, London, come back with no buy, which you

914
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 3: usually get after London, come back, and then win a

915
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 3: football game and be asked to play four days later

916
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 3: on the road if they ace that test, because they've

917
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 3: done it so far at three and zero this month.

918
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 3: If they ace that test, then come on, man, you

919
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 3: got you gotta at least give that team a nod

920
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 3: for being an upper echelon AFC squad.

921
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:43,240
Speaker 1: Well, I think Trevor Lawrence's health will be the biggest

922
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 1: question mark in terms of the short week you mentioned,

923
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,319
Speaker 1: go to London, back to back games in London, come home,

924
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:53,839
Speaker 1: play a game the short weeks. It's funny because when

925
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 1: people talk about the short week, the player safety narrative

926
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:00,040
Speaker 1: gets brought up all the time, and you know, I

927
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 1: I would always rebuttle that with when we used to

928
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:05,720
Speaker 1: play on Thursday nights, when I had Thursday night games,

929
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: the trade off of not practicing Wednesday and Thursday, just

930
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 1: having a couple walkthroughs. You really feel good on Thursday

931
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: and then you get a mini bye week after it.

932
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 1: So if their quarterback was one hundred percent healthy, I

933
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 1: would tell you the short week is not an issue

934
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 1: because of what has happened in the past. They will

935
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 1: be ready to go on Thursday night, knowing that hey,

936
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: we get three days off after this, go out there,

937
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 1: win the game on the road in New Orleans, and

938
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:36,800
Speaker 1: we come home for a bye week. But does Trevor

939
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 1: Lawrence's health play an issue into the short week.

940
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 3: I don't know. Okay, hold on, like, that's interesting to me.

941
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 3: Are you debunking this idea of the physical challenge that

942
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,240
Speaker 3: it is to play on Thursday night? Because I feel

943
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:55,839
Speaker 3: like I hear players all the time talk about how

944
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 3: hard it is to come out of their weekly car

945
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 3: accident on Sunday and turn around and play right away

946
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:02,320
Speaker 3: on Thursday.

947
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 2: So that's interesting the way you put it.

948
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 1: No, and it really is, because you trade off a

949
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 1: Wednesday Thursday practice. Usually one of those two days you

950
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 1: put your pads back on for a few walkthroughs. Maybe

951
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 1: one of those three days Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. Typically they

952
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 1: would do it on Tuesday, where you jog around a

953
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 1: little bit, maybe run full speed if you feel good,

954
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:26,399
Speaker 1: but it's an extremely lighter week. On the front end,

955
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:28,479
Speaker 1: it was always preached to us like, hey, we're gonna

956
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 1: take the physicality off of you get you ready for Thursday.

957
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:35,280
Speaker 1: It's more of a mental grind than a physical grind.

958
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: You know, on the Thursday night games when you played

959
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 1: in the division opponent, it was like, oh, perfect, we

960
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 1: already know them, they know us, Like, let's go play now.

961
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 1: Jacksonville playing New Orleans, a team that they're not very

962
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 1: familiar with. It's more of a mental grind to get

963
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: ready for opponent that you don't play all that much.

964
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 1: But I do. I stand by it, you know. Certainly.

965
00:51:56,520 --> 00:52:00,359
Speaker 1: The part that is difficult is when you have a

966
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence type situation, when you have a nick A

967
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 1: bump of bruise, where you have something that if you

968
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: were playing on the following Sunday it would be completely fine.

969
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: You know, you have the three more days of rest.

970
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:14,319
Speaker 1: But in terms of hey, I just played a game

971
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 1: on Sunday and now I gotta go play again on Thursday.

972
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 1: My body always felt really good on those Thursday night

973
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: games because you got so much of the physicality taken

974
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 1: off of you during that week of practice.

975
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 3: That's interesting, honestly, a sentence I've never heard before. My

976
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 3: body always felt good in those Thursday night games. That's yeah,

977
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 3: it's a new way to look at it for sure,

978
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Speaker 3: Com with Kyle Rudolph, Mark Willard and coming up next,

983
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 3: we got to talk about your former your main former

984
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 3: team and they are fantastic wide receiver because it does

985
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 3: sound to me like things are teetering just a little bit,

986
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 3: So we'll do that coming up next on Fox Sports Radio. Okay,

987
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:12,240
Speaker 3: it's just to slug it out Sunday. That much is clear,

988
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 3: and that's kind of the vibe between the Bills and

989
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 3: Giants right now. Three nothing ballgame, the Giants lead, although

990
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 3: James Cook is finally starting to run downhill for the

991
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 3: Bills early second quarter. We will keep you up to date,

992
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 3: Steve Disaga. We'll have more on that in less than

993
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:33,319
Speaker 3: ten minutes. Tyrack dot Com Studios, Mark Willard, Kyle Rudolph,

994
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:35,800
Speaker 3: all right, we need to talk about your boy, Kyle,

995
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 3: because I understand his position one hundred percent, and it

996
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:44,840
Speaker 3: feels to me like his agent has been on speed

997
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 3: dial as of late, and we're talking about none other

998
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 3: than Justin Jefferson.

999
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 2: So here's the situation.

1000
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 3: You and I have had a lot of conversations about

1001
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 3: the transition the Vikings are entering, and it got to

1002
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 3: the point where Adam Schefter, even just yesterday Kirk Cousins

1003
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 3: plans to play the remainder of the year in Minnesota

1004
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 3: and not waive his no trade clause. And then at

1005
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 3: the end there's that little you know, unless something changes,

1006
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 3: and so yeah, unless unless something changes.

1007
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 2: I love that sentence. At the end.

1008
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:24,959
Speaker 3: Meantime, there is the somewhat competing idea of what Jefferson

1009
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:28,840
Speaker 3: should do would do if he gets back from his

1010
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 3: injury expected to be a four to six week injury,

1011
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 3: and the Vikings are not competitive, that Jefferson may think, well, now,

1012
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 3: why why would I come back risk more injury for

1013
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 3: a that did not sign me the year started and

1014
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 3: is not competing for a playoff spot. So first, bring

1015
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:57,839
Speaker 3: me behind the curtain a little bit. What's going on

1016
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:03,280
Speaker 3: between Justin and his agent and Adam Schefter, Like, what's

1017
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 3: the thought process here as far as Jefferson and the

1018
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 3: rest of the year.

1019
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 1: Well, I think for the first time you talk about

1020
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 1: the human side of it, like you're looking at a

1021
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 1: young kid who really to this point he's never had

1022
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 1: any injury. I don't know that he's ever been on

1023
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 1: an injury report in the NFL. I mean I think

1024
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 1: back to I played with him in twenty twenty. He

1025
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 1: was healthy the entire year. He's been healthy pretty much

1026
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 1: through the first three years up to this point, you know,

1027
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 1: three years, in first four games this year, and you know,

1028
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: when that's kind of what you're accustomed to, you just oh,

1029
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 1: I just go out and play ball. You know, it

1030
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 1: is what it is like, this is what I do.

1031
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 1: You know, pay me when you pay me. If you've

1032
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 1: turned on the TV any Sunday in the NFL, Justin

1033
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 1: Jefferson is probably right there with Travis Kelcey and Patrick

1034
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 1: Mahomes and Josh Allen in terms of you can't have

1035
00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 1: a commercial break without seeing him in a commercial. So

1036
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 1: I promise Justin's doing just fine from a money standpoint,

1037
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:06,760
Speaker 1: which probably makes it even harder for the Vikings because

1038
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 1: typically you have a guy who, especially in today's world

1039
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:15,360
Speaker 1: with the new CBA wage scale for rookies, you know,

1040
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 1: you hang thirty million dollars a year over. Justin Jefferson's head,

1041
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 1: you know, it might make him sign it a lot

1042
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:26,840
Speaker 1: quicker than if he's making what he's making off the field.

1043
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 1: So he's in a position where it's like, you know,

1044
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 1: I'm making really good money off the field for all

1045
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 1: these commercials and stuff. So if you don't reset the

1046
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 1: market with me, I'll just keep going out and balling

1047
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:40,800
Speaker 1: like I have the last three years, and you know change.

1048
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 1: But then you get hurt, and you're hurt for the

1049
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 1: first time in your career, and now it brings some

1050
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 1: of this stuff to a reality where now you do

1051
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 1: have to consider in four to six weeks from now,

1052
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 1: whenever he comes back from this injury, if the vikings

1053
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 1: are below five hundred, Detroit has run away with the

1054
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 1: division for what, like, what am I going to come

1055
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:08,840
Speaker 1: back for if you're not going to pay me and

1056
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 1: risk further injuries? So certainly can understand where he's coming from.

1057
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:15,759
Speaker 1: I have This is all speculation. I have no idea.

1058
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 1: I have not talked to Justin. I have not heard

1059
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 1: from anyone around there that he's been frustrated. When I

1060
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 1: was there in training camp, I saw a guy who

1061
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 1: took every rep at practice, team periods, individual periods, you

1062
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 1: would have thought this was a guy that was trying

1063
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 1: to make the team. That's just the way Justin approaches things.

1064
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 1: That's the work ethic that he has, and quite honestly,

1065
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 1: that's why he's the best wide receiver in football. So,

1066
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 1: you know, I say all of that to say I

1067
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised if four weeks from now he's healthy

1068
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 1: and he's back out there playing and you know, just

1069
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:52,480
Speaker 1: dominating like he always has. But when you get hurt

1070
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 1: for the first time, it's got to put just a

1071
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 1: little bit in the back of your mind. That's a

1072
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 1: lot of money that I could, yeah, potentially lose if

1073
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 1: I go out and have something significant happen.

1074
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, for whatever it's worth, like those numbers

1075
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:11,120
Speaker 3: that he wanted at the end of the year are

1076
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 3: not going to be there when you miss a third

1077
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 3: of the season. That's not going to look the way

1078
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 3: you wanted it to look. I think it's easy to

1079
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 3: explain away. I don't think there are very many questions

1080
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:25,440
Speaker 3: left about who Justin Jefferson is as a wide receiver.

1081
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 3: But yeah, I get everything you're saying. Here's what I

1082
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 3: don't get Kyle. What I don't get is that the

1083
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 3: Vikings feel like they are not committing long term to

1084
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 3: Cousins because they want to pay Justin Jefferson. My question is,

1085
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:46,439
Speaker 3: why haven't you at least done one or the other.

1086
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 3: My guess is Jefferson would love Kirk Cousins to be

1087
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 3: his quarterback. He doesn't want to be a part of

1088
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 3: a rebuild or go through a rookie quarterback situation. At

1089
00:58:57,040 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 3: the same time, Yeah, put the contract in in front

1090
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 3: of him that says you're the best player at your

1091
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 3: position in football, and then we'd like to pay you

1092
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 3: that way, and I'm sure he would find his way

1093
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 3: to wrap his head around whatever the Vikings are doing

1094
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 3: going forward.

1095
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 2: But that's sort of what I don't get.

1096
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 3: If I'm the Vikings, I got to declare here, if

1097
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 3: you're not paying Justin because you haven't figured out your

1098
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 3: QB situation, or you're not paying Kirk because you want

1099
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 3: the money in order to pay Justin, Like, I don't know, man,

1100
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 3: you got to decide you got to do one or

1101
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 3: the other.

1102
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 2: You can't not do both, at least not in my opinion.

1103
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 1: Well, not only have they not done both, but they

1104
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 1: reset the market with a tight end that have played

1105
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 1: ten games for the organization, So you know, that's sort

1106
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 1: of a head scratcher as well. Though TJ's a great player,

1107
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 1: but when you look at his contract situation, he's in

1108
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 1: his fifth year option as a rookie deal, you have

1109
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 1: the franchise tag, which the tight end tag is not

1110
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 1: that outrageous. It's certainly a lot cheaper than receiver and quarterback.

1111
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 1: So when you're just looking at the financials of a

1112
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:09,439
Speaker 1: roster and the organization as a whole, you certainly would

1113
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 1: think you'd want to go quarterback receiver and make sure

1114
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 1: we either commit to Kirk long term and then try

1115
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 1: to figure out Justin after that, or put thirty five

1116
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 1: million dollars a year in front of Justin Jefferson and

1117
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 1: you know, it's either take it or leave it, and

1118
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:25,520
Speaker 1: we'll figure out the quarterback position after the fact, but

1119
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 1: we want to make sure that you're here in Minnesota

1120
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:31,920
Speaker 1: for the next you know, five years, depending on what

1121
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 1: the extension was, with what he has left on his contract.

1122
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 3: Well, what also confuses me is that certain teams around

1123
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 3: the league have been able to make it look like

1124
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 3: the cap doesn't even exist.

1125
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:45,880
Speaker 2: Every team loves to use.

1126
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 3: It as a reason when they don't want to re

1127
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 3: sign someone or or reset the market. But the Los

1128
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 3: Angeles Rams for years it was like, we don't need

1129
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 3: any draft picks and we're going to just hand out

1130
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 3: massive contracts to everybody who deserves them.

1131
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 2: And then they won a Super Bowl.

1132
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 3: You and I have talked about the finances of the

1133
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 3: San Francisco forty nine ers. Sure they're saving a ton

1134
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:10,480
Speaker 3: of money in their quarterback room, but the break in

1135
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 3: the bank at every other position. And then somehow found

1136
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 3: a way with restructures to still have over forty million

1137
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 3: dollars in available cap space right now in twenty twenty three,

1138
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 3: despite the contracts of the BOSA. And I know that

1139
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 3: hasn't started yet. But Fred Warner, George Kittle, Eric Armstead,

1140
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 3: Christian McCaffrey, Deebo, Samuel I could go on and on,

1141
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:41,200
Speaker 3: Trent Williams, Trent Williams, thank you to hide behind the

1142
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:44,480
Speaker 3: cap It's like, I just I don't know, man, I

1143
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:47,000
Speaker 3: don't get it. I just don't think you mess around

1144
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 3: with superstar players like this.

1145
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 1: Well, no, there's there's superstar players, and there's generational talent.

1146
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 1: I mean, he's broken every record through the first three

1147
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 1: years and five games of his career that he possibly

1148
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:05,160
Speaker 1: could so, And I know that's not the issue there

1149
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 1: because I've been there and I know the way that

1150
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 1: the ownership works. I believe in twenty nineteen and twenty

1151
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 1: twenty we led the NFL in cash. So the salary

1152
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:19,040
Speaker 1: cap is this mythical number that is, you know, based

1153
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 1: on revenue. We all know the whole salary cap story.

1154
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:26,320
Speaker 1: To your point that it can be manipulated in any

1155
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 1: way you want, Well, it's manipulated by cash. And I've

1156
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 1: been there when the Will family has said, we've got

1157
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 1: good players, let's keep them all, let's go win. So

1158
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 1: here's as much cash as you need. So I know

1159
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 1: that's not the situation there because you have owners that

1160
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:45,120
Speaker 1: are committed to putting the best players they possibly can

1161
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 1: on the field, and they've always put the cash up there.

1162
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 3: Speaking of financial moves, there was an under the radar

1163
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 3: move that was surprising, eyebrow raising, maybe head scratching. Is

1164
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:00,600
Speaker 3: it a sign of things to come? The team that

1165
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:03,920
Speaker 3: we talk about a lot. I'll explain what I'm getting

1166
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:05,960
Speaker 3: at here in just a couple of minutes. But let's

1167
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:08,600
Speaker 3: get Steve de seger in here first find out what's

1168
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:10,680
Speaker 3: trending out at about Hey, Steve.

1169
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:13,560
Speaker 6: Hello, guys, and the New York Giants tonight's, for the

1170
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 6: first time all season have run a play while actually

1171
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 6: leading in the game. The one win they had was

1172
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:22,560
Speaker 6: the Lake Comeba. Giants are up three nothing at Buffalo

1173
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 6: about six minutes to go in the second quarter. Saquon

1174
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 6: Barkley is active at after the ankle injury. However, twelve

1175
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:33,440
Speaker 6: carries twelve yards rushing for Barkley. Meanwhile, there was a

1176
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 6: fifty two yard field goal attempt Buffalo's last drive and

1177
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:39,640
Speaker 6: it was miss no good from.

1178
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:41,240
Speaker 3: Tyler bass why to the right.

1179
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:43,600
Speaker 6: So at home, the Bills are getting shut out by

1180
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:46,720
Speaker 6: the Giants three zip in the second quarter to Rod

1181
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 6: Taylor seventy nine yards passing in the first half. Ax

1182
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 6: of Bustle as the Giants quarterback tonight, but by the way,

1183
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 6: he doesn't have much of a line. Three tackles missing

1184
01:03:57,240 --> 01:03:59,280
Speaker 6: now in fact, and he has been sacked twice in

1185
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:02,120
Speaker 6: the first half. The reason he's in is Daniel Jones

1186
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:05,400
Speaker 6: is at with a neck injury. The Jets defeated Philadelphia

1187
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:08,240
Speaker 6: in quite the upset twenty to fourteen on a touchdown

1188
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:10,800
Speaker 6: run with under two minutes to go, and the Niners

1189
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:14,520
Speaker 6: are no longer undefeated, losing nineteen seventeen at Cleveland, running

1190
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:17,600
Speaker 6: back Christian McCaffrey left with an oblique injury. Wide receiver

1191
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:21,640
Speaker 6: Deebo Samuel left early with a shoulder injury. A very

1192
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 6: odd stat from AP that the Cleveland Browns become the

1193
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:27,920
Speaker 6: first team in the last twenty years to in the

1194
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:31,360
Speaker 6: last five minutes of regulation to be down by four

1195
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 6: to six points and win it with two field goals.

1196
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:37,120
Speaker 6: They got the one field goal after very long drive

1197
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:39,680
Speaker 6: to get close, and then after the Niners three and out,

1198
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:42,960
Speaker 6: they drove for the go ahead field goal. Nineteen seventeen,

1199
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 6: San Francisco on its final drive, missed a forty one

1200
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 6: yard attempt wide right in the final seconds. Las Vegas

1201
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:53,680
Speaker 6: beating New England twenty one seventeen rams over Arizona twenty

1202
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:56,240
Speaker 6: six to nine. Kyra and Williams on twenty carries at

1203
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 6: one hundred and fifty eight yards in a touchdown. Detroit

1204
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:02,000
Speaker 6: a twenty to six victory at Tampa Bay Jared Goff

1205
01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:05,120
Speaker 6: three hundred and fifty three yards passing and two touchdowns.

1206
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:08,680
Speaker 6: Miami is five and one after beating Carolina forty two

1207
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:11,680
Speaker 6: to twenty one. Carolina is zero to six now Raheem

1208
01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:15,160
Speaker 6: Moster to the Dolphins three touchdowns. Minnesota one at Chicago

1209
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:19,640
Speaker 6: nineteen thirteen. Bears quarterback Justin Field suffered a dislocated thumb

1210
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:24,440
Speaker 6: MRI coming on Monday, Cincinnati and Washington each one, Jacksonville

1211
01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:27,280
Speaker 6: and Houston each with home victories. In London, it was

1212
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:30,040
Speaker 6: Baltimore now four and two, getting a win over Tennessee

1213
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:34,160
Speaker 6: twenty four to sixteen. Washington the university of up to

1214
01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:37,439
Speaker 6: number five in the new college football polls. The top

1215
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 6: four stayed the same. Notre Dame moved up to number fifteen.

1216
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:44,880
Speaker 6: In ap usc failed to number eighteen Saturday on Fox TV,

1217
01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:48,720
Speaker 6: number seven, Penn State at number three, Ohio State noon

1218
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:52,919
Speaker 6: Eastern time in ALCS game number one on Fox TV

1219
01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 6: right now top of the fifth and the Texas Rangers

1220
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:59,280
Speaker 6: are still leading Justin Verlander in Houston one to nothing.

1221
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:02,440
Speaker 6: Game two of the series tomorrow afternoon, also on Fox

1222
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:05,720
Speaker 6: four to thirty pm Eastern time. Rangers pitcher Max schurz

1223
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:08,000
Speaker 6: Er with the strange shoulder, did make the roster for

1224
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:10,520
Speaker 6: this series, so he could pitch Game three on Wednesday,

1225
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:14,160
Speaker 6: he'd missed the divisional round. Football update, Giants are now

1226
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:18,320
Speaker 6: leading six nothing at Buffalo, a second Graham Gano field

1227
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:21,440
Speaker 6: goal and finally, oh NASCAR win for Kyle Larson, and

1228
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:24,040
Speaker 6: finally to the golf. We do talk about this sometimes

1229
01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:27,280
Speaker 6: on Sunday night. This was the final individual event this

1230
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:30,080
Speaker 6: year on the Live Golf Tour today in Saudi Arabia.

1231
01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:33,600
Speaker 6: Their team championship is next weekend in South Florida. But

1232
01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:37,440
Speaker 6: Brooks Koepka won today's this weekend's event in a playoff

1233
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:41,120
Speaker 6: here in four million dollars for the victory, another four

1234
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:43,960
Speaker 6: million dollars because he finished top three in the season's

1235
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:48,040
Speaker 6: points race, so on course he got about thirteen point

1236
01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:51,439
Speaker 6: four million dollars for the year on that tour, which

1237
01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 6: is not even what you would call a full time tour.

1238
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:56,840
Speaker 6: Taylor Gooch, by making the playoff today, won the season

1239
01:06:56,920 --> 01:07:01,880
Speaker 6: points title and the eighteen million dollars bonus. Plus Gooch

1240
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:05,160
Speaker 6: gets over two million dollars just for finishing second today

1241
01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 6: in the PGA event. The winner didn't get that much money.

1242
01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:11,920
Speaker 6: In Las Vegas, Tom Kim, by the way and Live Golf,

1243
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:15,680
Speaker 6: every last place finisher gets over one hundred thousand dollars,

1244
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:18,520
Speaker 6: and these are smaller fields. Forty eighth place gets about

1245
01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:21,120
Speaker 6: one hundred and twenty thousand dollars in Vegas at the

1246
01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:24,160
Speaker 6: PGA event today, you had to be nineteenth place to

1247
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:26,360
Speaker 6: get the same amount. So who was dead last at

1248
01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:30,640
Speaker 6: the live golf event and getting six figures anyway, Chase Koepka,

1249
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:33,160
Speaker 6: brother of Brooks Koepka. Today's win.

1250
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:34,280
Speaker 2: But of course, back to.

1251
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:40,200
Speaker 3: You the live golf stuff, Steve. When we get to

1252
01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:42,480
Speaker 3: the end of the year, right when we get to

1253
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:46,479
Speaker 3: December thirty, first, we're going to look back on your

1254
01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:50,560
Speaker 3: live Golf updates at the end of these conversations and

1255
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:53,920
Speaker 3: what they've led to after the fact into our shows,

1256
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:56,720
Speaker 3: and I'm just gonna sit back and call them the

1257
01:07:56,840 --> 01:08:00,560
Speaker 3: unsung hero of the year. It's like, I don't know

1258
01:08:00,560 --> 01:08:03,080
Speaker 3: how many people are paying attention to this. Oh my god,

1259
01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:04,320
Speaker 3: it makes for good discussion.

1260
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:07,160
Speaker 6: It's just the definition of news. It's man bites dog.

1261
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:07,800
Speaker 6: It's wow.

1262
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:10,880
Speaker 2: That's on god, Chase Kopka.

1263
01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:15,000
Speaker 3: But of course, how much did he make it today?

1264
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:18,360
Speaker 6: For three days of golf.

1265
01:08:19,280 --> 01:08:21,240
Speaker 1: In last place and doubles?

1266
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:27,400
Speaker 3: Yes, oh that old uh, that old top gun line.

1267
01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:29,920
Speaker 3: No points for second place, or no points for last

1268
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:31,680
Speaker 3: place or whatever it is. It's just it's just not

1269
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:35,160
Speaker 3: true anymore. All right, good stuff, Steve, thank you so much.

1270
01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:38,160
Speaker 3: Speaking of things that make you scratch your head, Kyl,

1271
01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:41,040
Speaker 3: are you aware of this whole thing that happened this

1272
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:48,000
Speaker 3: week and today with Malik Cunningham backup quarterback New England Patriots?

1273
01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:48,760
Speaker 2: Did you see all this?

1274
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:49,920
Speaker 1: I did not?

1275
01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:56,880
Speaker 3: Okay, So, Malik Cunningham was an undrafted player who was

1276
01:08:57,120 --> 01:09:02,680
Speaker 3: a quarterback turned receiver slash special teamer hanging out on

1277
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:06,120
Speaker 3: the Patriots practice squad, and all of a sudden, a

1278
01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:09,840
Speaker 3: couple of days ago, they signed him to the active roster,

1279
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:13,920
Speaker 3: give him a three year contract, and make him the

1280
01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:19,080
Speaker 3: active backup for today's game. Bailey Zappi was designated as

1281
01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:23,120
Speaker 3: the third, the emergency QB who can only come in

1282
01:09:23,400 --> 01:09:27,040
Speaker 3: if both Mac Jones and Malie Cunningham get hurt. It's

1283
01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:31,080
Speaker 3: also reported that Cunningham did have quote unquote a package

1284
01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:35,400
Speaker 3: of plays sort of set for him. The final analysis,

1285
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:39,160
Speaker 3: he went in, ran an option on one play before

1286
01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:42,040
Speaker 3: he could run or throw, he was sacked. And then

1287
01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:44,280
Speaker 3: one other time he was on the field and act

1288
01:09:44,320 --> 01:09:46,600
Speaker 3: as a decoy in what turned out to be a

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01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:51,200
Speaker 3: direct snap to Ezekiel Elliott. Meanwhile, it's another loss for

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Speaker 3: the Patriots. All the whispers are out there with regard

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Speaker 3: to Mac Jones, and I'm sitting here thinking what has

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Speaker 3: happened to the world. That was Bill Belichick, because even

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01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:05,120
Speaker 3: after the game, when they said they asked him what

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01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:09,000
Speaker 3: went into signing him and making him your backup? His

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01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:13,760
Speaker 3: answer was, We've got a lot of people hurt, none

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Speaker 3: of whom are over there on the offensive side of

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Speaker 3: the ball. Leave that alone. That was Bill's answer. We've

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Speaker 3: got a lot of people hurt. I don't know, Kyle.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the guy who for years is being called

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Speaker 3: the greatest coach or at least the most accomplished coach

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Speaker 3: of all time.

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Speaker 2: I mean, looks like he's.

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01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:38,160
Speaker 3: Been reduced to, you know, games behind the scenes is

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01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:39,880
Speaker 3: what we're looking at right now.

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Speaker 1: Well, and to that answer, you know, as I'm reading

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01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:47,680
Speaker 1: up on the situation, as you're going through it and

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01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:51,600
Speaker 1: thinking about what are the alternative, how does we have

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01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:53,559
Speaker 1: a lot of people hurt? So, okay, you can elevate

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01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:56,000
Speaker 1: that quarterback from practice squad and then send him right

1310
01:10:56,040 --> 01:10:59,120
Speaker 1: back down after the game if you needed the body,

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01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:03,840
Speaker 1: And instead they gave him the three year contract, but

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01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:06,680
Speaker 1: who knows, maybe that is something that they you know,

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01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:10,560
Speaker 1: you only get so many elevations and the offense is struggling,

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01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:14,600
Speaker 1: and that package of plays that will be a completely

1315
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:17,880
Speaker 1: different offense. I know New England certainly helps when you

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01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:20,120
Speaker 1: have the greatest quarterback ever to do it. But you

1317
01:11:20,160 --> 01:11:23,439
Speaker 1: think about the New England offense during their twenty years.

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01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:25,400
Speaker 1: You come out and Tom could throw at fifty times

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01:11:25,439 --> 01:11:27,920
Speaker 1: and they beat you, or Tom could throw at twenty

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01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:29,640
Speaker 1: times and they beat you and they run it, and

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01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:32,200
Speaker 1: it was like you didn't know which New England offense

1322
01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:33,880
Speaker 1: you were going to get it get week in and

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Speaker 1: week out, because it was based on well, what do

1324
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Speaker 1: we got to do that week to win the game?

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01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:44,080
Speaker 1: So I feel like Bill still deserves the right to

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01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:47,679
Speaker 1: use the old saying that you know, he's probably playing

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01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:50,680
Speaker 1: chess while we're all watching checkers. So there had to

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01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:53,320
Speaker 1: be a reason he is. He is one of the

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Speaker 1: best football coaches of all time, and he's one of

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01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:58,679
Speaker 1: the smartest coaches of all time as well, So there

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01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:00,479
Speaker 1: has to be a reason here as to why you

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Speaker 1: wouldn't just activate him from the practice squad and then

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01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:05,800
Speaker 1: send him back down, and if I were to make

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01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:11,040
Speaker 1: an educated guess or assumption, it would be that this

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01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:15,720
Speaker 1: package for Malik will continue to grow as something that

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01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:18,800
Speaker 1: can can help spark an offense that's just struggling and

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01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:20,080
Speaker 1: not scoring enough points.

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Speaker 3: Or is the chestnut checkers in all of this that

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01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:29,440
Speaker 3: what keeps growing each week is the new England Patriots draft.

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Speaker 1: Stock Well, we talked about that last week. You know,

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01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:40,080
Speaker 1: does Malik Cunningham help them get Caleb or drag any

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Speaker 1: of those guys in the top three of the draft?

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01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:48,160
Speaker 3: Yep, yep, absolutely, all right, tyrack dot Com Studios. We'll

1344
01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:53,400
Speaker 3: continue and coming up next an uncomfortable question to ask

1345
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:56,559
Speaker 3: about tonight's game with Kyle Rudolph.

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Speaker 2: I'm Mark Willard and it's Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 3: All right, we are live tya rag dot Com Studios

1348
01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:10,680
Speaker 3: alongside Kyle Rudolph, Mark Willard and feel compelled on a

1349
01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:14,320
Speaker 3: couple of fronts to talk about what's happening right now

1350
01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:17,120
Speaker 3: on Sunday Night football. First of all, Josh Allen has

1351
01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:19,840
Speaker 3: left the field and is in the blue tent. Kyle

1352
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:24,760
Speaker 3: Allen in for the Bills at quarterback. But beyond that,

1353
01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:30,160
Speaker 3: we are now watching something that is eerily reminiscent from

1354
01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:33,559
Speaker 3: last year and the whole Tomorrow Hamblin situation. I'm not

1355
01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:36,719
Speaker 3: saying that anybody has gone into cardiac arrest on the field,

1356
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:39,599
Speaker 3: but Kyle, we do have an ambulance on the field

1357
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:44,760
Speaker 3: once again, and players from both teams surrounded taking a

1358
01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:47,600
Speaker 3: knee and looking at the situation. And I got to

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01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:51,040
Speaker 3: tell you, just looking up and seeing this and it

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01:13:51,160 --> 01:13:54,599
Speaker 3: being the Bills jerseys that are surrounding the whole thing,

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01:13:54,760 --> 01:13:57,760
Speaker 3: it's sort of brought back all the fields from what

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01:13:57,880 --> 01:13:59,200
Speaker 3: we watched last year.

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01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:01,720
Speaker 1: And you hate to see it, and you know, you

1364
01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:04,759
Speaker 1: can see they cut to DeMar Hammon there on the sideline.

1365
01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:06,679
Speaker 1: It looks like he was pretty much. I can't imagine

1366
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:09,120
Speaker 1: what what's going through his mind right now as he

1367
01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:11,599
Speaker 1: sits there on the field on the bench and sees

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01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:14,439
Speaker 1: the ambulance out there. And you know, there's things as

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01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:17,040
Speaker 1: a as a player. You know, you're watching games on

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01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:22,439
Speaker 1: TV and signs for us and the sign of it,

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01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:25,200
Speaker 1: and an ambulance out on the field is never a

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01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:27,880
Speaker 1: good one, you know, certainly they always approach things with

1373
01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:32,800
Speaker 1: the utmost caution and concern. And you see guys leave

1374
01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:36,439
Speaker 1: the field on on the backboards and stuff for caution,

1375
01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:39,920
Speaker 1: but you just never, never want to see the ambulance

1376
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:42,960
Speaker 1: out there on the field and just you know, pray

1377
01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:43,920
Speaker 1: that everything's okay.

1378
01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:48,120
Speaker 3: Josh Allen did come back into the game after going

1379
01:14:48,160 --> 01:14:51,040
Speaker 3: into the Blue ten, so it looks like he was cleared.

1380
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:53,160
Speaker 3: And then we'll keep you up to date on what's

1381
01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:55,160
Speaker 3: going on on the field right now as they go

1382
01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:57,800
Speaker 3: to break. The other side to this game, though, if

1383
01:14:57,800 --> 01:15:01,240
Speaker 3: we can focus on the actual football or second, is

1384
01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:05,080
Speaker 3: that it's a complete head scratcher on two fronts. The

1385
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:08,759
Speaker 3: Bills offense has been unable to get anything going against

1386
01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:12,599
Speaker 3: the Giants defense that's super aggressive and at times can

1387
01:15:13,160 --> 01:15:15,360
Speaker 3: take a team out of sinc I think of the

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01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:17,439
Speaker 3: way the forty nine ers looked in the first half

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01:15:17,479 --> 01:15:20,479
Speaker 3: against this Giants squad, even though they've also had some

1390
01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:24,160
Speaker 3: really bad moments where other teams are running downhill against them.

1391
01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:27,200
Speaker 3: Cowboys have done it, Cardinals did it for a few

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01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:30,559
Speaker 3: quarters before the Giants rallied back. But it's a defense

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01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:34,320
Speaker 3: that when they sort of come at you with a

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01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:37,640
Speaker 3: certain scheme, they have been able to cause some problems.

1395
01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:40,280
Speaker 3: But this feels excessive. And then on the other side

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01:15:40,280 --> 01:15:42,599
Speaker 3: of the ball, while the Giants haven't done anything all

1397
01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:47,519
Speaker 3: that impressive when you factor in Sunday night football and

1398
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:51,439
Speaker 3: being a huge underdog. I know the Giants offensive line

1399
01:15:51,439 --> 01:15:55,439
Speaker 3: has been bad, but it really does feel like Tarad

1400
01:15:55,479 --> 01:16:02,839
Speaker 3: Taylor is more suited for this moment than Daniel Jones,

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01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:05,840
Speaker 3: just because of the veteran presence that he provides.

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01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:12,719
Speaker 1: Well, you talk about Dallas and Arizona and the points

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01:16:12,720 --> 01:16:15,479
Speaker 1: that they scored, and they scored all those points off

1404
01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:18,080
Speaker 1: of turnovers or were set up by turnovers, and that's

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01:16:18,120 --> 01:16:21,200
Speaker 1: what the Giants haven't done to this point. Yes, they've

1406
01:16:21,200 --> 01:16:24,200
Speaker 1: played really good defense, but they haven't turned the ball over.

1407
01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:26,759
Speaker 1: You know, we don't have a field goal blocked for

1408
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:29,840
Speaker 1: a touchdown, there's no pick sixes. You're not turning the

1409
01:16:29,840 --> 01:16:34,440
Speaker 1: ball over and setting up scores. So they're making Buffalo

1410
01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:38,320
Speaker 1: work for everything. They're not handing them any points.

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01:16:39,479 --> 01:16:42,160
Speaker 2: Absolutely, So back to action now.

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01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:43,559
Speaker 3: And we will keep you up to date as we

1413
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:47,120
Speaker 3: get further info on what has taken place on the field.

1414
01:16:47,160 --> 01:16:49,640
Speaker 3: But with just under three minutes to go in the

1415
01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:53,160
Speaker 3: second quarter, Josh Allen back on the field and the

1416
01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:57,640
Speaker 3: Bills moving the ball now at least toward the midfield

1417
01:16:57,680 --> 01:17:01,760
Speaker 3: Marker and one of their better moments in the game,

1418
01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:04,760
Speaker 3: long first down to Stefan Diggs. They have already had

1419
01:17:04,760 --> 01:17:06,720
Speaker 3: a missed field goal, though it was a long one

1420
01:17:07,080 --> 01:17:10,720
Speaker 3: from Tyler Bass. But the Bills just completely out of

1421
01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:14,599
Speaker 3: sync in this game. Yeah, the Giants thing is interesting, man,

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01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:18,200
Speaker 3: I'm not sure exactly how long Dan, Just as I

1423
01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:21,240
Speaker 3: say that, there's a tip ball and an interception of

1424
01:17:21,320 --> 01:17:25,519
Speaker 3: Josh Allen by that Giants defense. So plot thickens there,

1425
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:29,000
Speaker 3: but just kind of sticking with the Giants side as

1426
01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:32,320
Speaker 3: Taylor is about to come back out onto the field.

1427
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:38,080
Speaker 3: The popular thought this year has been that Daniel Jones,

1428
01:17:38,120 --> 01:17:41,639
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter who's behind that offensive line, they would

1429
01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:44,320
Speaker 3: not be able to function. And again it's not been

1430
01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:47,559
Speaker 3: a great night for their offense. But it just I

1431
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:51,240
Speaker 3: don't know, Kyle, it looks calmer. Things look calmer tonight

1432
01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:54,040
Speaker 3: than they have in recent weeks for the Giants.

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01:17:55,200 --> 01:17:57,679
Speaker 1: They have. But you know, what was your point about

1434
01:17:57,720 --> 01:18:01,800
Speaker 1: the Bills before an injury, and that Bill's defense is

1435
01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:04,559
Speaker 1: not the Bills defense that it has been in the past,

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01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:07,720
Speaker 1: and that's you know, one of Tyrod's teams. You know

1437
01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:10,640
Speaker 1: that Tyrod was the one that took him to the

1438
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:13,640
Speaker 1: playoffs after seventeen years of not being the playoffs. So

1439
01:18:14,160 --> 01:18:16,080
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not sitting here and saying that they

1440
01:18:16,120 --> 01:18:19,200
Speaker 1: don't look different, but just just paying the picture that

1441
01:18:19,240 --> 01:18:22,479
Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff that goes into it, and

1442
01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:26,080
Speaker 1: certainly having a veteran quarterback who's been in the league

1443
01:18:26,120 --> 01:18:28,640
Speaker 1: as long as Tyrod has, the moment is not going

1444
01:18:28,720 --> 01:18:31,120
Speaker 1: to be too big. But you know, certainly I think

1445
01:18:31,160 --> 01:18:34,479
Speaker 1: you got to speak to you know, when a backup

1446
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:38,679
Speaker 1: quarterback comes in, there's no pressure on you. You're not getting

1447
01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:41,599
Speaker 1: the scrutiny of the national media and the New York media.

1448
01:18:42,240 --> 01:18:44,519
Speaker 1: If they would have gone out there today and lost

1449
01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:47,920
Speaker 1: by forty, there would not been one story about Tyrod

1450
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:51,439
Speaker 1: Taylor being the reason why they lost by forty. So,

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01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:55,679
Speaker 1: you know, there is a sense to being a veteran

1452
01:18:55,720 --> 01:18:58,679
Speaker 1: player and understanding what to do, and I think, honestly,

1453
01:18:58,760 --> 01:19:01,200
Speaker 1: that's that's what Daniel Zones has to do. He has

1454
01:19:01,240 --> 01:19:04,400
Speaker 1: to take that step and understand what costs my team games,

1455
01:19:04,439 --> 01:19:06,519
Speaker 1: what gives us the best chance to win games, and

1456
01:19:06,680 --> 01:19:09,040
Speaker 1: you know, really that's taking care of the football. I

1457
01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:11,960
Speaker 1: think that's been something that DJ has struggled with throughout

1458
01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:13,840
Speaker 1: the course of his career, whether it's his fault or not.

1459
01:19:14,240 --> 01:19:15,880
Speaker 1: You know, whether he's getting hit in the back of

1460
01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:18,080
Speaker 1: the head because he's getting sacked and it's a fumble,

1461
01:19:19,080 --> 01:19:21,920
Speaker 1: or he's turning the ball over via interception. So you know,

1462
01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:24,160
Speaker 1: hopefully this is something DJ can sit back and watch

1463
01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:27,080
Speaker 1: and learn from.

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01:19:26,280 --> 01:19:28,200
Speaker 3: The other thing to get into and we can do

1465
01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:30,080
Speaker 3: it a little bit. Next hour is the play of

1466
01:19:30,160 --> 01:19:33,200
Speaker 3: Josh Allen this year. Look, he is leading the NFL

1467
01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:37,240
Speaker 3: and completion percentage coming into this game, but that interception

1468
01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:40,240
Speaker 3: that we just told you about is his sixth of

1469
01:19:40,280 --> 01:19:43,600
Speaker 3: the year. Turnovers have been a problem. They are the

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01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:46,240
Speaker 3: main reason they were unable to win against the Jets

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Speaker 3: on opening night, and so it's been a little bit

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01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:51,639
Speaker 3: of a wobbly look for a couple of the top

1473
01:19:51,720 --> 01:19:55,519
Speaker 3: quarterbacks in the AFC, just not quite as dynamic as

1474
01:19:55,560 --> 01:19:59,000
Speaker 3: we are used to seeing them all right, Coming up next,

1475
01:19:59,200 --> 01:20:01,839
Speaker 3: we circle back to the top, which is the question

1476
01:20:02,360 --> 01:20:07,280
Speaker 3: our NFL coaches getting too aggressive and it's now costing wins.

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Speaker 2: That's next.

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Speaker 3: I was almost sure of it, Kyle. The Los Angeles

1483
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:29,400
Speaker 3: please call them San Diego Chargers don't play until tomorrow night,

1484
01:20:29,479 --> 01:20:32,720
Speaker 3: So I thought for sure, well, we're probably not going

1485
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:36,160
Speaker 3: to get hung up on going forward on fourth down

1486
01:20:36,360 --> 01:20:41,080
Speaker 3: or being overly aggressive this week because Brandon Staley doesn't

1487
01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:44,639
Speaker 3: coach until tomorrow night. And then lo and behold, Dan

1488
01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:48,439
Speaker 3: Lanning sets the table with the Oregon Ducks yesterday went

1489
01:20:48,479 --> 01:20:51,000
Speaker 3: forward on every fourth down. He could find even ones

1490
01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:54,120
Speaker 3: that were taking points off of the board. And then

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01:20:54,320 --> 01:21:00,240
Speaker 3: we get to today and the Philadelphia Eagles happened. More

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Speaker 2: In fact, before we even get to our point, we can.

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Speaker 3: We can simply talk about what just happened in front

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01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:32,360
Speaker 3: of our faces. Kyle. We go up unbelievable. The New

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Speaker 3: York Giants go all the way to the one yard

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01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:39,639
Speaker 3: line right before the half up six to nothing, and

1502
01:21:40,240 --> 01:21:44,160
Speaker 3: with their last time out already used, they run the

1503
01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:47,639
Speaker 3: ball with Saquon Barkley right into the middle of the line.

1504
01:21:47,720 --> 01:21:48,760
Speaker 2: He doesn't get in.

1505
01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:51,840
Speaker 3: The clock runs out, and instead of being up by

1506
01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:54,839
Speaker 3: two scores, they're now up by one score.

1507
01:21:56,479 --> 01:22:00,400
Speaker 1: I don't I don't understand, and I don't under stand,

1508
01:22:01,080 --> 01:22:04,280
Speaker 1: as Brian Dables going and talking to Tyrod Taylor, you

1509
01:22:04,360 --> 01:22:07,240
Speaker 1: called the run play, Like what like? What is he

1510
01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:11,280
Speaker 1: mad about it? I mean, if there so, it takes

1511
01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:15,719
Speaker 1: thirteen seconds to call a play, and that's borderline, especially

1512
01:22:15,760 --> 01:22:17,840
Speaker 1: because it was so far. You're on the one yard line,

1513
01:22:17,880 --> 01:22:20,160
Speaker 1: so you know, imagine if you're at the plus thirty

1514
01:22:20,720 --> 01:22:22,840
Speaker 1: that's not that far for the field goal team to

1515
01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:25,760
Speaker 1: have to run out and execute a you know, most

1516
01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:28,439
Speaker 1: teams call it a rambo field goal where you see

1517
01:22:28,680 --> 01:22:31,240
Speaker 1: the field goal unit run on, the kicker gets lined up,

1518
01:22:31,240 --> 01:22:34,280
Speaker 1: and you kick it fast, so no timeouts. If you

1519
01:22:34,360 --> 01:22:37,360
Speaker 1: are calling a play, you know, trying to get the

1520
01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:40,040
Speaker 1: first down to clock it out in the field, you know,

1521
01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:44,120
Speaker 1: you need about thirteen seconds, and I would assume you

1522
01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:50,280
Speaker 1: need a little bit more, but to call to call

1523
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:52,439
Speaker 1: a run play and then not have the field goal

1524
01:22:52,479 --> 01:22:55,160
Speaker 1: team like immediately ready to run out and kick it.

1525
01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:58,320
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't understand.

1526
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:02,200
Speaker 3: There's so much that I don't understand on a week

1527
01:23:02,200 --> 01:23:04,320
Speaker 3: to week basis, and I don't want to sit here

1528
01:23:04,320 --> 01:23:06,719
Speaker 3: and act like I know more football than the guys

1529
01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:11,800
Speaker 3: who are running franchises in the NFL. But that's a

1530
01:23:11,880 --> 01:23:14,840
Speaker 3: very fair question. You just ask what exactly is it

1531
01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:17,839
Speaker 3: that Brian Dayball can be mad at. It's their play

1532
01:23:18,240 --> 01:23:21,400
Speaker 3: that they sent in. And then meantime, let's take a

1533
01:23:21,439 --> 01:23:24,879
Speaker 3: look at the Eagles situation only as an example because

1534
01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:29,600
Speaker 3: it's probably the shining example of it, but definitely not

1535
01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:30,880
Speaker 3: the only one.

1536
01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:34,040
Speaker 2: So if you miss the end of that game today.

1537
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:37,280
Speaker 3: The Eagles are sitting there with the ball on their

1538
01:23:37,320 --> 01:23:41,479
Speaker 3: own forty six yard line, third and nine after the

1539
01:23:41,520 --> 01:23:44,720
Speaker 3: two minute warning, the Jets do not have any timeouts,

1540
01:23:45,200 --> 01:23:49,680
Speaker 3: and the Eagles are up fourteen to twelve. Do you

1541
01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:54,080
Speaker 3: want to run a very safe pass? I could understand

1542
01:23:54,120 --> 01:23:56,320
Speaker 3: that you want to try to move the chains. If

1543
01:23:56,360 --> 01:23:59,479
Speaker 3: you do, the game's over, But it's also nine yards

1544
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:02,360
Speaker 3: you need. That's a lot. And if you do do

1545
01:24:02,479 --> 01:24:05,880
Speaker 3: something safe or even run it, I would argue you're

1546
01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:09,040
Speaker 3: in pretty good shape. Pinning the Jets down at their

1547
01:24:09,080 --> 01:24:12,240
Speaker 3: own ten yard line with no timeouts at about a

1548
01:24:12,280 --> 01:24:14,080
Speaker 3: minute to go, put the ball in the hands of

1549
01:24:14,160 --> 01:24:16,880
Speaker 3: Zach Wilson and say, if you can beat us, we'll

1550
01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:20,320
Speaker 3: tip our cap instead. Jalen Hurts not only drops back

1551
01:24:20,360 --> 01:24:24,200
Speaker 3: to pass, then when he's pressured, he doesn't throw it away.

1552
01:24:24,439 --> 01:24:28,000
Speaker 3: He starts to run round, goes backwards, and then decides

1553
01:24:28,040 --> 01:24:30,200
Speaker 3: to throw it over the middle of the field, right

1554
01:24:30,240 --> 01:24:33,200
Speaker 3: into double coverage. So it's picked. The Jets head the

1555
01:24:33,240 --> 01:24:35,800
Speaker 3: other way down to the ten yard line. Breeze Hall

1556
01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:38,280
Speaker 3: runs it in on the very next play. Jets win

1557
01:24:38,360 --> 01:24:42,120
Speaker 3: this one by six. We have reached an epidemic level,

1558
01:24:42,360 --> 01:24:48,240
Speaker 3: in my opinion, of over aggressiveness in sports from coaches,

1559
01:24:48,840 --> 01:24:51,360
Speaker 3: and no longer is it okay to take the three

1560
01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:56,160
Speaker 3: or punt on fourth down and trust your defense. You're

1561
01:24:56,200 --> 01:25:01,920
Speaker 3: seeing it everywhere and seemingly we have like ten examples

1562
01:25:01,960 --> 01:25:06,440
Speaker 3: this year of either losing a football game or my gosh,

1563
01:25:06,640 --> 01:25:07,880
Speaker 3: coming so darn close.

1564
01:25:07,960 --> 01:25:10,639
Speaker 2: The Chargers are two and two, and you know this.

1565
01:25:10,880 --> 01:25:14,559
Speaker 3: That they're about like just a breath away from being

1566
01:25:14,640 --> 01:25:15,200
Speaker 3: zero and four.

1567
01:25:16,760 --> 01:25:19,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's funny. So you mentioned Dan Lanning and

1568
01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:23,880
Speaker 1: the University of Oregon yesterday, and you know we've had

1569
01:25:23,880 --> 01:25:26,200
Speaker 1: this conver How do we not talk about Mario Christobal

1570
01:25:26,280 --> 01:25:26,839
Speaker 1: last week?

1571
01:25:27,320 --> 01:25:30,639
Speaker 2: Oh my god, a great point, great question. Yeah I don't.

1572
01:25:30,680 --> 01:25:34,160
Speaker 3: It's like it's a combo of I don't understand or

1573
01:25:34,280 --> 01:25:38,720
Speaker 3: simply you're you're being talked into by fans and analytics

1574
01:25:38,720 --> 01:25:40,080
Speaker 3: and being too aggressive.

1575
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:46,920
Speaker 1: That one's so egregious. It's now we're not even talking

1576
01:25:46,960 --> 01:25:49,920
Speaker 1: about third down and trying to get the first down

1577
01:25:50,040 --> 01:25:53,439
Speaker 1: or going forward on fourth down. It's you're running the

1578
01:25:53,439 --> 01:25:56,920
Speaker 1: football instead of taking a knee, that you kneel the

1579
01:25:56,960 --> 01:26:00,120
Speaker 1: ball and the game's over. How does we talked about

1580
01:26:00,120 --> 01:26:02,439
Speaker 1: like players getting upset on the field. How do how

1581
01:26:02,439 --> 01:26:05,240
Speaker 1: do the assistant coaches, the offensive coordinator or not be

1582
01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:07,560
Speaker 1: like hold on, hold on, like coach christ Ball with

1583
01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:10,320
Speaker 1: all due respect this we have to kneel this ball

1584
01:26:10,360 --> 01:26:12,960
Speaker 1: down like we like, you have to take a knee here.

1585
01:26:13,080 --> 01:26:17,920
Speaker 1: There's no other option, you know. Just so yeah, to

1586
01:26:17,920 --> 01:26:20,160
Speaker 1: to your point, I that one just hit me. I'm like,

1587
01:26:20,160 --> 01:26:22,880
Speaker 1: wait a minute, we didn't even bring up that last week.

1588
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:25,000
Speaker 1: And and the fact that they lost the game in

1589
01:26:25,040 --> 01:26:26,120
Speaker 1: that fashion.

1590
01:26:26,600 --> 01:26:29,719
Speaker 2: Well, that one's just malpractice. Like you said, like that.

1591
01:26:29,640 --> 01:26:33,880
Speaker 3: One like you cannot you cannot make sense of it

1592
01:26:34,360 --> 01:26:37,840
Speaker 3: this one and and same thing with day Ball getting

1593
01:26:37,880 --> 01:26:40,439
Speaker 3: mad at t Rod Taylor. I'm sure Nick Sirianni is

1594
01:26:40,479 --> 01:26:44,000
Speaker 3: thinking to himself, well, look, we we wanted to be aggressive,

1595
01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:46,240
Speaker 3: but I didn't want you to do that. Like if

1596
01:26:46,439 --> 01:26:48,679
Speaker 3: if that's what you saw, then throw the thing away.

1597
01:26:49,080 --> 01:26:52,040
Speaker 3: So there's a combo in terms of where the blame goes.

1598
01:26:52,520 --> 01:26:55,479
Speaker 3: But the bottom line, Kyle is there's just too many

1599
01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:57,080
Speaker 3: chances being taken here.

1600
01:26:57,920 --> 01:27:00,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's it's funny because we could dive even

1601
01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:07,120
Speaker 1: further into the Eagles Jets just poor endgame management with

1602
01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:12,080
Speaker 1: Breese Hall then scoring the touchdown after when it's a

1603
01:27:12,240 --> 01:27:14,439
Speaker 1: in the NFL world, it called you know, no moss,

1604
01:27:14,479 --> 01:27:17,639
Speaker 1: like you're not supposed to score here. Even if everyone

1605
01:27:17,680 --> 01:27:20,320
Speaker 1: on the defense lays down and you can walk in

1606
01:27:20,360 --> 01:27:22,880
Speaker 1: the end zone, you do not score a touchdown. They

1607
01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:24,639
Speaker 1: had one time out left a little over a minute.

1608
01:27:24,760 --> 01:27:27,639
Speaker 1: You know that should be down the clock. They kick

1609
01:27:27,720 --> 01:27:30,040
Speaker 1: the field goal with three seconds left at the end

1610
01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:32,679
Speaker 1: of the game, and Philly never gets the ball back

1611
01:27:32,720 --> 01:27:35,240
Speaker 1: with a chance to then beat them. They're up twenty

1612
01:27:35,320 --> 01:27:37,320
Speaker 1: to fourteen, like they could have easily got the ball

1613
01:27:37,360 --> 01:27:40,120
Speaker 1: back and scored a touchdown, and then now we're sitting

1614
01:27:40,160 --> 01:27:43,920
Speaker 1: here talking about, wait a minute, what are the Jets doing.

1615
01:27:44,200 --> 01:27:46,639
Speaker 1: So it's just exactly it makes you scratch your head

1616
01:27:46,680 --> 01:27:49,720
Speaker 1: in terms of the just situational football. And you know,

1617
01:27:49,800 --> 01:27:51,960
Speaker 1: for me personally, that was something that was just always

1618
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:54,599
Speaker 1: beat into our heads and you know, years and years

1619
01:27:54,640 --> 01:27:58,880
Speaker 1: of football and close games and here's here's how you

1620
01:27:58,960 --> 01:28:01,559
Speaker 1: do things. And that's in our brought up the you know,

1621
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:04,800
Speaker 1: almost guaranteed completion rule where if I am gonna call

1622
01:28:04,840 --> 01:28:07,320
Speaker 1: a pass on third and nine late in the game,

1623
01:28:08,920 --> 01:28:13,679
Speaker 1: if you don't see this wide receiver wide open, take

1624
01:28:13,720 --> 01:28:16,639
Speaker 1: a sack, take off, running the clock has to run,

1625
01:28:16,680 --> 01:28:20,240
Speaker 1: you gotta bang the time out. So it does make

1626
01:28:20,280 --> 01:28:21,479
Speaker 1: you scratch your head at times.

1627
01:28:22,040 --> 01:28:23,400
Speaker 2: I mean it's all over the place.

1628
01:28:23,479 --> 01:28:25,800
Speaker 3: That play right there with the New York Giants at

1629
01:28:25,800 --> 01:28:28,080
Speaker 3: the end of the half seems like a simple even

1630
01:28:28,160 --> 01:28:32,160
Speaker 3: though you know, I get what might have been the hey,

1631
01:28:32,200 --> 01:28:35,639
Speaker 3: we're gonna fool them thought is the Bills are thinking

1632
01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:38,000
Speaker 3: like you and I are, thin, which is I know

1633
01:28:38,040 --> 01:28:40,280
Speaker 3: they're at the one, but they're gonna throw the ball

1634
01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:43,599
Speaker 3: because that way, if Tad doesn't see what he wants

1635
01:28:43,640 --> 01:28:45,320
Speaker 3: to see you throw it through the back of the

1636
01:28:45,439 --> 01:28:45,920
Speaker 3: end zone.

1637
01:28:46,200 --> 01:28:49,400
Speaker 2: You gets you three points. Oh but Kyle, we're gonna

1638
01:28:49,400 --> 01:28:50,120
Speaker 2: catch a mapping.

1639
01:28:50,640 --> 01:28:52,719
Speaker 3: We know that they think it's gonna be a throw,

1640
01:28:53,120 --> 01:28:55,600
Speaker 3: and so we're gonna run Barkley up the middle and

1641
01:28:55,680 --> 01:28:58,280
Speaker 3: it's just gonna be wide open spaces.

1642
01:28:58,360 --> 01:28:59,760
Speaker 2: Well it wasn't it.

1643
01:29:00,600 --> 01:29:04,920
Speaker 3: And I just I find myself walking out of every

1644
01:29:05,000 --> 01:29:09,360
Speaker 3: Saturday right now and every Sunday scratching my head going

1645
01:29:09,520 --> 01:29:13,680
Speaker 3: I don't I don't know if you're coaching football or

1646
01:29:13,720 --> 01:29:18,160
Speaker 3: if you're trying to prove something to someone. That's how

1647
01:29:18,160 --> 01:29:21,320
Speaker 3: it feels to fans. It feels like you're trying to

1648
01:29:21,479 --> 01:29:29,360
Speaker 3: prove that you are smart or macho or gutsy. I

1649
01:29:29,400 --> 01:29:31,759
Speaker 3: don't know what the word is that you're trying to prove.

1650
01:29:32,120 --> 01:29:36,800
Speaker 3: But these coaches are are making decisions with that kind

1651
01:29:36,800 --> 01:29:39,840
Speaker 3: of a mentality, like they're trying to prove something to

1652
01:29:39,880 --> 01:29:42,519
Speaker 3: someone instead of trying to win the football game.

1653
01:29:43,080 --> 01:29:45,760
Speaker 1: Well, and going back to the Giants play here, I

1654
01:29:45,800 --> 01:29:48,200
Speaker 1: had to pull it up because I couldn't see. I

1655
01:29:48,320 --> 01:29:50,880
Speaker 1: just saw the scramble once he got tackled there. So

1656
01:29:50,880 --> 01:29:55,480
Speaker 1: there's fourteen seconds left, it's first and goal on the one. Obviously,

1657
01:29:55,520 --> 01:29:58,960
Speaker 1: with the DPI call in the end zone, the clock stop.

1658
01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:03,000
Speaker 1: There's fourteen second and so if that's your mentality, if

1659
01:30:03,000 --> 01:30:06,400
Speaker 1: you say, hey, they're not gonna expect us to run

1660
01:30:06,439 --> 01:30:09,280
Speaker 1: the ball with fourteen seconds left in no timeout, So

1661
01:30:09,320 --> 01:30:11,519
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna trick them. We're gonna sneak this

1662
01:30:11,560 --> 01:30:13,680
Speaker 1: one in by giving the ball to Saquon Barkley on

1663
01:30:13,720 --> 01:30:17,960
Speaker 1: a dive, and he should walk in. But if he doesn't,

1664
01:30:18,360 --> 01:30:24,080
Speaker 1: you got two things either. Immediately, Saquon, you need to

1665
01:30:24,200 --> 01:30:27,639
Speaker 1: get up and hand the ball to the official, the umpire,

1666
01:30:27,680 --> 01:30:30,080
Speaker 1: who spots the football. Right, you need to run to

1667
01:30:30,120 --> 01:30:32,600
Speaker 1: the umpire, get off the ground as fast as possible,

1668
01:30:32,920 --> 01:30:36,120
Speaker 1: give the ball to the umpire, and all of the

1669
01:30:36,280 --> 01:30:38,679
Speaker 1: ten other guys on offense, no, they have to run back,

1670
01:30:38,720 --> 01:30:41,680
Speaker 1: and we're gonna spike the football and we'll kick the

1671
01:30:41,720 --> 01:30:44,240
Speaker 1: field goal on third and goal after the incomplete pass

1672
01:30:44,680 --> 01:30:48,400
Speaker 1: or I mentioned that you need about thirteen seconds for

1673
01:30:48,479 --> 01:30:52,080
Speaker 1: the field goal team to run on and execute a

1674
01:30:52,160 --> 01:30:54,519
Speaker 1: quick kick, which again you're snapping it from from the

1675
01:30:54,560 --> 01:30:57,400
Speaker 1: one yard line, so it's to the night. It's a

1676
01:30:57,439 --> 01:30:59,719
Speaker 1: nineteen yard field goal. It's closer than an old school

1677
01:30:59,720 --> 01:31:02,439
Speaker 1: extra point, so I'm sure that kicker doesn't. And it's

1678
01:31:02,439 --> 01:31:04,680
Speaker 1: Graham Gano, who's a veteran kicker. He could run out

1679
01:31:04,680 --> 01:31:07,479
Speaker 1: there and probably kick it with his eyes closed. Neither

1680
01:31:07,560 --> 01:31:10,719
Speaker 1: of those two things happened. They were just standing around

1681
01:31:10,800 --> 01:31:12,240
Speaker 1: like almost as if they were gonna go back and

1682
01:31:12,240 --> 01:31:13,719
Speaker 1: get in the huddle or call time out.

1683
01:31:14,800 --> 01:31:17,920
Speaker 3: I'm not sure what's going on anymore, and I bet

1684
01:31:18,200 --> 01:31:21,599
Speaker 3: that the Giants radio broadcasters don't either. Taking a listen

1685
01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:24,240
Speaker 3: to this, This is the New York Giants radio call

1686
01:31:24,320 --> 01:31:27,760
Speaker 3: of the play. We're discussing Love Bubb Papa hand off.

1687
01:31:27,800 --> 01:31:30,280
Speaker 7: Barkley clowns his way to the right. He's get stood

1688
01:31:30,320 --> 01:31:34,200
Speaker 7: up and stunned down. Eight seconds to go, seven seconds

1689
01:31:34,200 --> 01:31:38,040
Speaker 7: to go, six seconds to go, down to four. Taylor

1690
01:31:38,080 --> 01:31:40,280
Speaker 7: trying to get his team lined up, and they don't

1691
01:31:40,280 --> 01:31:44,599
Speaker 7: get the playoff. A terrible mistake by the Giants, as

1692
01:31:44,640 --> 01:31:47,240
Speaker 7: they don't get the playoff and get no points out

1693
01:31:47,240 --> 01:31:48,680
Speaker 7: of it for the first.

1694
01:31:48,360 --> 01:31:53,360
Speaker 3: And goal at the one. Oh yeah yu. The New

1695
01:31:53,439 --> 01:31:57,040
Speaker 3: York Giants radio on the call, and as New York

1696
01:31:57,120 --> 01:31:59,680
Speaker 3: Broadcasting goes, I thought that was about as kind as

1697
01:31:59,680 --> 01:32:00,080
Speaker 3: it can.

1698
01:32:00,120 --> 01:32:03,479
Speaker 1: Me that that that was very kind. But I think

1699
01:32:03,520 --> 01:32:05,240
Speaker 1: you know they were just as as you and I

1700
01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:09,040
Speaker 1: as you're going through the introduction of that segment. There

1701
01:32:09,120 --> 01:32:10,760
Speaker 1: were why I was just waiting you to be like,

1702
01:32:10,760 --> 01:32:12,680
Speaker 1: hold on a second, hold on, hold on on, I

1703
01:32:12,720 --> 01:32:17,639
Speaker 1: got to talk about this, right. They were shocked. Yeah,

1704
01:32:17,680 --> 01:32:19,599
Speaker 1: they were just as shocked as we were that we

1705
01:32:19,600 --> 01:32:22,240
Speaker 1: were watching this unfold in front of us.

1706
01:32:23,160 --> 01:32:26,679
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Speaker 3: It is week six in the National Football League. The

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Speaker 3: second half is going to be underway here shortly. We've

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Speaker 3: got stuff on tomorrow night's football game as well. We're

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Speaker 3: working through all the key moments of the day, including

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Speaker 3: losses by the last.

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Speaker 2: Two undefeated teams.

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Speaker 3: More on that Eagles and forty nine Ers go down

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Speaker 3: coming up next on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, We're in

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Speaker 3: the Tyrek dot Com studios alongside Kyle Rudolph. I'm Mark Willard.

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Speaker 3: I got a question for you, Kyle. You know how

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01:33:22,920 --> 01:33:27,840
Speaker 3: in college football they got this targeting rule right, and

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01:33:27,840 --> 01:33:30,040
Speaker 3: any time it's called, they kind of go to a

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Speaker 3: review take another look at it. And the reason they

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01:33:34,160 --> 01:33:36,439
Speaker 3: do that is because they're like, look, this is a

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01:33:36,479 --> 01:33:38,040
Speaker 3: really heavy handed response.

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Speaker 2: If it is indeed.

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Speaker 3: Targeting, this player's gonna get kicked out of the game

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Speaker 3: and part of the following game too, So they go

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Speaker 3: to review when it comes to targeting. Now, I want

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Speaker 3: to ask this question without it sounding like I'm blaming

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Speaker 3: the refs for the forty nine ers loss against the

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Speaker 3: Cleveland Browns today, because I'm not. The forty nine Ers

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Speaker 3: did all kinds of things from kicker to their coach,

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01:34:01,360 --> 01:34:04,880
Speaker 3: to Brock Purty and more in terms of why I

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01:34:04,920 --> 01:34:08,439
Speaker 3: think they lost that game. I do also think it

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01:34:08,479 --> 01:34:12,920
Speaker 3: was a very poorly officiated game. But there's one particular

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01:34:13,040 --> 01:34:15,840
Speaker 3: call that I want to highlight, which was on what

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Speaker 3: ended up being the game winning field goal drive for

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01:34:18,439 --> 01:34:22,920
Speaker 3: the Browns. There was on a key third and long,

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01:34:23,160 --> 01:34:28,280
Speaker 3: like you're setting up fourth and ten on this incomplete pass. However,

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01:34:28,880 --> 01:34:33,080
Speaker 3: an unnecessary roughness call goes against Niners' safety to Sean

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01:34:33,240 --> 01:34:37,479
Speaker 3: Gibson for a receiver Elijah Moore going over the middle

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Speaker 3: and getting quote unquote hit in the head. Then unfortunately,

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01:34:42,360 --> 01:34:47,240
Speaker 3: off we go to the instant replay on television so

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01:34:47,320 --> 01:34:50,519
Speaker 3: that all of us can see, actually it went shoulder

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01:34:50,560 --> 01:34:53,519
Speaker 3: to shoulder, and here it comes the television ref to

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01:34:53,600 --> 01:34:56,760
Speaker 3: be like, yeah, that one's a whoopsie daisy. That one

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01:34:56,800 --> 01:34:59,920
Speaker 3: should not have been called at all. In real time,

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Speaker 3: I understood why the ref called it. It looked like

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01:35:03,360 --> 01:35:05,960
Speaker 3: a shot to the head to me too. But then

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01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:10,160
Speaker 3: when we see the replay, oh, turns out it wasn't

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01:35:11,000 --> 01:35:14,960
Speaker 3: a play like that. I'm not saying make pass interference reviewable,

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01:35:15,720 --> 01:35:18,599
Speaker 3: but if we're specifically saying this is whether or not

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01:35:18,720 --> 01:35:23,519
Speaker 3: the head was targeted, should that be reviewable in your opinion?

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Speaker 1: Uh So, here's where I would classify that. You know,

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01:35:29,240 --> 01:35:32,519
Speaker 1: last year in the NFL they started this thing called

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01:35:32,560 --> 01:35:37,599
Speaker 1: an expedited review, where it's not a challenge by a coach,

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01:35:37,680 --> 01:35:40,679
Speaker 1: it's not under two minutes. It has to be reviewed

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01:35:40,720 --> 01:35:44,360
Speaker 1: by the booth and we slow down the game. Why

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01:35:44,439 --> 01:35:48,280
Speaker 1: not just add that to the expedited review, because, like

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01:35:48,320 --> 01:35:52,000
Speaker 1: you said, live during the game, we're both watching it.

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Speaker 1: To Sean Gibson, what got him was he left his feet.

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01:35:57,960 --> 01:36:04,120
Speaker 1: He like launched at the receiver and at full speed.

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Speaker 1: I know why the official threw the flag because, like

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Speaker 1: you said, it looked like he hit him in the

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01:36:09,680 --> 01:36:15,000
Speaker 1: head and Elijah Moore kind of went up to get

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Speaker 1: the ball and you know, to Sean Gibson, left his

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01:36:18,600 --> 01:36:22,200
Speaker 1: he launched, he left his feet. We saw in the

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Speaker 1: first replay immediately following that, Oh wait a minute, yes

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01:36:26,200 --> 01:36:29,519
Speaker 1: he did launch, but it was shoulder to shoulder and

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Speaker 1: the forearm was not in the head or neck area.

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01:36:32,120 --> 01:36:35,000
Speaker 1: It was across his chest. So it would have taken

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Speaker 1: mere seconds after for the expedited review, which we already

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Speaker 1: have in the game. It fixes plays all the time

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Speaker 1: where you don't have to wait for a coach to challenge,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't have to go to a booth review. Under

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Speaker 1: two minutes, it's the replay official or New York who

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Speaker 1: New York is watching it and they see an obvious

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Speaker 1: air and they can communicate to the referee on the field,

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Speaker 1: Hey correct that air. Why would that not be a

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01:37:04,320 --> 01:37:06,600
Speaker 1: part of it, especially in you know, even if you

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01:37:06,640 --> 01:37:09,000
Speaker 1: say it's under two minutes, where it's a crucial play

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01:37:09,040 --> 01:37:13,000
Speaker 1: in the game. We already have that technology. It's already

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Speaker 1: a part of what we're doing in the NFL right now.

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Speaker 1: So why would New York not just pick up the

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Speaker 1: phone and say, hey, hold on a second, like, let's

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01:37:21,680 --> 01:37:22,679
Speaker 1: let's fix that one.

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Speaker 3: I know it's it's one of those things that gets

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Speaker 3: people going because it does feel like a slippery slope.

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Speaker 3: I get it. It's like, how far are we going

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Speaker 3: to go before the whole thing is run by AI?

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Speaker 2: Like I I you know it does.

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Speaker 3: It does feel like we're we could easily lose our

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01:37:40,240 --> 01:37:44,519
Speaker 3: grip on this. But I also know that the viewing

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01:37:44,640 --> 01:37:50,439
Speaker 3: experience sometimes the technology that's available to us is actually

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Speaker 3: making us more frustrated with referees and umpires than I'd

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Speaker 3: like to be when I'm watching a game, like, for instance,

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Speaker 3: here's my thought on baseball. If you don't want to

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Speaker 3: use robot umps, get that stupid box off the television set,

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01:38:07,360 --> 01:38:11,080
Speaker 3: because box is allowing us to see when the umpire

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01:38:11,200 --> 01:38:14,719
Speaker 3: messed up and acting like that ump should be able

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01:38:14,760 --> 01:38:17,360
Speaker 3: to see a fraction of an inch at one hundred

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Speaker 3: miles an hour. You know, there's egregious stuff, but come on,

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Speaker 3: like that's a human being and he can't see the box.

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01:38:24,160 --> 01:38:27,920
Speaker 3: But there's so much now available to us as viewers

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Speaker 3: that tell us exactly what happened. That at full speed

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Speaker 3: is really really difficult for these people to see. So

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Speaker 3: I'm not trying to come down on them because, as

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Speaker 3: they said, at full speed, I'm like, oh, that's a penalty.

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Speaker 3: But then I saw the slow speed and then I'm like, no,

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Speaker 3: it's not, and it only serves to frustrate the audience.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny. Actually, a few years ago when we

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Speaker 1: had a referee meeting that got brought up and you know,

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Speaker 1: your basic region old broadcasts, so Fox, CBS, it's not

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Speaker 1: the national game during that time slot, you know you're

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Speaker 1: gonna have like sixteen camera angles or something like that.

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Speaker 1: I don't remember the exact numbers, but they talked about this,

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Speaker 1: and then you go to like tonight's game, a primetime

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01:39:17,680 --> 01:39:21,799
Speaker 1: game on NBC, it almost like doubles. It's like almost

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Speaker 1: thirty different angle camera angles that they have with you know,

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Speaker 1: the cameras all throughout the stadium, the skycam, all those

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Speaker 1: things added up, and these camera angles and the technology

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Speaker 1: of the cameras are officials worst nightmare because they're officiating.

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Speaker 3: A game with.

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Speaker 1: Athletic, fast grown men, and it's like they talk about

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Speaker 1: all the time, like, oh, that was just a bang

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01:39:50,880 --> 01:39:54,200
Speaker 1: bang play, whether it's pass interference or this is Sean

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01:39:54,240 --> 01:39:56,519
Speaker 1: Gibson play today, like it was just bang bang. And

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Speaker 1: two the naked eye. You could do one of two things.

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01:40:01,360 --> 01:40:03,240
Speaker 1: You can swallow your whistle and say Nope, it was

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Speaker 1: too close, I'm not calling it, or that looks so

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01:40:05,920 --> 01:40:08,879
Speaker 1: egregious I have to throw it. But at full speed

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01:40:10,520 --> 01:40:13,479
Speaker 1: it looked bad. And when you slow it down and

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Speaker 1: you have these camera angles. How many camera angles did

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Speaker 1: they showed during that replay? You know, multiple camera angles

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01:40:19,200 --> 01:40:22,040
Speaker 1: so we all get to see the different views and

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Speaker 1: oh no, he did lead with that forearm, but it

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01:40:24,880 --> 01:40:26,920
Speaker 1: hit him in the chest that it was shoulder to shoulder.

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Speaker 1: So the camera angles do these officials such an injustice

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01:40:32,200 --> 01:40:34,200
Speaker 1: that you know, we get to sit home on the

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Speaker 1: couch and have the luxury of seeing them all at

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01:40:37,320 --> 01:40:40,639
Speaker 1: slow mo speed and zoomed in, and these guys are

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01:40:40,680 --> 01:40:43,360
Speaker 1: making a decision, you know, in the snap of a finger.

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Speaker 3: Can you help me with another one? Because I know

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Speaker 3: that you watched that full game between the forty nine

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Speaker 3: ers and the Browns. Right before the half, forty nine

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Speaker 3: ers leading ten to seven.

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Speaker 2: PJ.

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Speaker 3: Walker gets sacked and it looks like fumbles. It's recovered

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Speaker 3: by the forty nine ers inside the ten. The lead

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01:41:01,920 --> 01:41:06,280
Speaker 3: official had called a forward pass and then flagged him

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01:41:06,280 --> 01:41:09,040
Speaker 3: for intentional grounding, and then it got reviewed and he

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01:41:09,120 --> 01:41:12,599
Speaker 3: went and looked at his own call and decided, yep,

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01:41:12,800 --> 01:41:15,960
Speaker 3: I was right. And I'm sitting there, I'm going after

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01:41:16,000 --> 01:41:20,080
Speaker 3: my TV. Kyle, I'm going after my TV. Did you

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01:41:20,120 --> 01:41:23,559
Speaker 3: see that play? Tell me that was not a fumble?

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01:41:23,640 --> 01:41:24,559
Speaker 2: What did you think?

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01:41:24,920 --> 01:41:28,720
Speaker 1: Again? It's in Dean Blandino. The Fox rules analysts came

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01:41:28,720 --> 01:41:30,679
Speaker 1: on right away, and you know, it was like it's

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01:41:31,280 --> 01:41:33,160
Speaker 1: it's the letter of the law. You know, the ball

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01:41:33,240 --> 01:41:36,120
Speaker 1: is still in his hand as his hand starts going forward,

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01:41:36,160 --> 01:41:39,160
Speaker 1: like he he didn't throw the ball, but it was

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Speaker 1: in his hand as his hand started moving forward. So

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Speaker 1: it's again like all these rules, when when you could

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Speaker 1: take the camera and slow it down to the speed

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Speaker 1: that they're able to slow it down like that was

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01:41:50,800 --> 01:41:53,680
Speaker 1: a fumble ten times out of ten and yep, But

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Speaker 1: when we go to instant replay and you can slow

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Speaker 1: it down and see that there was a split second

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01:42:02,280 --> 01:42:07,559
Speaker 1: where his arms started going forward before the ball came out.

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Speaker 1: Therefore it's an incomplete pass. The place stands because not

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01:42:11,680 --> 01:42:14,960
Speaker 1: only does the play stand, I have to have the

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01:42:15,479 --> 01:42:19,479
Speaker 1: as they always say, the evidence to overturn the call. Therefore,

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01:42:19,479 --> 01:42:22,679
Speaker 1: we didn't have enough evidence to overturn it. So it's

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01:42:22,720 --> 01:42:25,240
Speaker 1: not confirmed, but it stands.

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Speaker 3: So you're telling me I have to I have to

1878
01:42:28,360 --> 01:42:31,800
Speaker 3: acknowledge that they're human beings and they're allowed to they're

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01:42:31,840 --> 01:42:33,240
Speaker 3: allowed to act like human beings.

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Speaker 2: Is that what you're telling me.

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01:42:35,479 --> 01:42:38,280
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, yes, you have to. But at the

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01:42:38,280 --> 01:42:42,040
Speaker 1: same time, like, what did the human being call? He

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01:42:42,240 --> 01:42:45,280
Speaker 1: initially called it a fumble and then it was like

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Speaker 1: I believe so if I remember correctly, like at first

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01:42:49,200 --> 01:42:50,600
Speaker 1: he threw the floor and it was like, oh no,

1886
01:42:50,640 --> 01:42:53,920
Speaker 1: hold on, we'll incomplete and then it got challenged, so

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Speaker 1: I don't even remember.

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01:42:55,720 --> 01:42:59,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a frustrating day all around for a lot

1889
01:42:59,240 --> 01:43:02,240
Speaker 3: of the top teams. The Niners go down, the Eagles

1890
01:43:02,280 --> 01:43:05,400
Speaker 3: go down. Are the Bills going to go down as well?

1891
01:43:05,439 --> 01:43:08,439
Speaker 3: This one's starting to get late. Mark Willard, Kyle Rudolph

1892
01:43:08,479 --> 01:43:10,240
Speaker 3: more on not coming up. But let's get Steve de

1893
01:43:10,320 --> 01:43:12,880
Speaker 3: Seger in here for all of the latest in this

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01:43:12,960 --> 01:43:15,280
Speaker 3: game and more. Hello, Steve, Hello.

1895
01:43:15,360 --> 01:43:17,479
Speaker 6: About four minutes to go in the third quarter and

1896
01:43:17,520 --> 01:43:20,400
Speaker 6: Buffalo is still getting shut out at home. It's six

1897
01:43:20,560 --> 01:43:23,000
Speaker 6: nothing Giants in the league. It could be more than

1898
01:43:23,080 --> 01:43:25,280
Speaker 6: just those two first half field goals, but as you

1899
01:43:25,320 --> 01:43:28,080
Speaker 6: mentioned earlier in the show, to end the first half,

1900
01:43:28,160 --> 01:43:30,840
Speaker 6: realize that Buffalo on offense their final two drives of

1901
01:43:30,920 --> 01:43:33,640
Speaker 6: the first half missed a long field goal through an interception.

1902
01:43:34,120 --> 01:43:36,720
Speaker 6: That pick set up the last two minutes of that

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01:43:36,840 --> 01:43:39,680
Speaker 6: Giants drive, which wound up with no points after a

1904
01:43:39,760 --> 01:43:42,400
Speaker 6: defensive pass interference. They had first and goal at the

1905
01:43:42,439 --> 01:43:46,320
Speaker 6: Buffalo one yard line fourteen seconds left, apparently checked into

1906
01:43:46,360 --> 01:43:49,479
Speaker 6: a running play, no gain, not enough time to run

1907
01:43:49,560 --> 01:43:53,120
Speaker 6: another play after that, no points on the final drive

1908
01:43:53,160 --> 01:43:56,040
Speaker 6: of the first half for the visitors. Now, Saquon Barkley,

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01:43:56,120 --> 01:43:59,559
Speaker 6: Giant star running back is active tonight after his ankle injury,

1910
01:43:59,600 --> 01:44:02,920
Speaker 6: but eight team carries just thirty two yards rushing. It's

1911
01:44:03,040 --> 01:44:07,360
Speaker 6: Tyrod Taylor, exa Buffalo who started. The Giants are Taylor's

1912
01:44:07,400 --> 01:44:11,280
Speaker 6: sixth NFL team. He has one hundred forty one yards passing.

1913
01:44:11,479 --> 01:44:14,479
Speaker 6: Josh Allen apparently with an injured shoulder is playing and

1914
01:44:14,560 --> 01:44:17,360
Speaker 6: has one pick and one hundred and seventeen yards rushing.

1915
01:44:17,640 --> 01:44:20,679
Speaker 6: Buffalo has driven into the red zone down six to nothing.

1916
01:44:20,800 --> 01:44:24,280
Speaker 6: Late in the third quarter, the Jets upset Philadelphia twenty

1917
01:44:24,320 --> 01:44:27,240
Speaker 6: to fourteen on a touchdown run with under two minutes left.

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01:44:27,240 --> 01:44:30,400
Speaker 6: It came right after an interception Jalen Hurts with one

1919
01:44:30,439 --> 01:44:33,280
Speaker 6: touchdown run and one touchdown pass for a fourteen to

1920
01:44:33,320 --> 01:44:36,840
Speaker 6: three lead. First half, Hurts wound up throwing three picks.

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Speaker 6: In fact, the Eagles had four turnovers as a team.

1922
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Speaker 6: They were five and oh and San Francisco took an

1923
01:44:42,360 --> 01:44:45,120
Speaker 6: l at Cleveland nineteen to seventeen. The final, the forty

1924
01:44:45,160 --> 01:44:47,320
Speaker 6: nine Ers missed a forty one yard field goal attempt

1925
01:44:47,360 --> 01:44:50,639
Speaker 6: in the final seconds. Wide receiver Deebo Samuel left early

1926
01:44:50,680 --> 01:44:53,840
Speaker 6: with a shoulder injury for San Francisco, and teammate running

1927
01:44:53,840 --> 01:44:57,080
Speaker 6: back Christian McCaffrey left with an oblique injury. San Francisco

1928
01:44:57,280 --> 01:44:59,800
Speaker 6: was five and oh. Miami's five and one got three

1929
01:45:00,040 --> 01:45:03,160
Speaker 6: touchdowns from Raheem Mosterd and beat Carolina forty two to

1930
01:45:03,240 --> 01:45:06,760
Speaker 6: twenty one. Carolina now zero and six. Detroit is five

1931
01:45:06,800 --> 01:45:09,360
Speaker 6: and one after a win at Tampa Bay twenty to six.

1932
01:45:09,720 --> 01:45:12,879
Speaker 6: Lions running back Jamiir Gibbs was out with a hamstring injury.

1933
01:45:13,080 --> 01:45:16,599
Speaker 6: Running Back David Montgomery left with a rib injury. Detroit

1934
01:45:16,640 --> 01:45:20,080
Speaker 6: as a team today twenty two carries just forty yards rushing,

1935
01:45:20,479 --> 01:45:23,120
Speaker 6: but Jared Goff had three hundred and fifty three yards

1936
01:45:23,160 --> 01:45:26,320
Speaker 6: passing and two scores, and they win again. The Rams

1937
01:45:26,320 --> 01:45:29,639
Speaker 6: beat Arizona twenty six to nine Kyron Williams one hundred

1938
01:45:29,680 --> 01:45:32,679
Speaker 6: and fifty eight yards rushing and a touchdown. Las Vegas

1939
01:45:32,760 --> 01:45:35,519
Speaker 6: held on twenty one seventeen over New England, which is

1940
01:45:35,560 --> 01:45:39,000
Speaker 6: now one and five. Raiders quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo left with

1941
01:45:39,040 --> 01:45:42,839
Speaker 6: a back injury. He had one touchdown one interception. Wins

1942
01:45:42,840 --> 01:45:46,760
Speaker 6: for Cincinnati and Washington, wins for Jacksonville and Houston. The

1943
01:45:46,800 --> 01:45:49,360
Speaker 6: London game went to Baltimore, which is now four and two,

1944
01:45:49,400 --> 01:45:52,160
Speaker 6: got to win over Tennessee twenty four to sixteen, and

1945
01:45:52,200 --> 01:45:55,719
Speaker 6: Minnesota was a winner at Chicago nineteen thirteen. Bears quarterback

1946
01:45:55,920 --> 01:46:00,000
Speaker 6: Justin Fields suffered a dislocated thumb. MRI is coming up

1947
01:46:00,080 --> 01:46:03,519
Speaker 6: on Monday's Chicago now one and five. The University of

1948
01:46:03,680 --> 01:46:05,920
Speaker 6: Washington is up to number five in the new College

1949
01:46:05,920 --> 01:46:10,120
Speaker 6: Football polls. In ALCS Game one right now on Fox TV,

1950
01:46:10,280 --> 01:46:12,840
Speaker 6: it's still a Texas Rangers lead of two nothing in

1951
01:46:12,920 --> 01:46:15,280
Speaker 6: the top of the eighth at Houston. They got the

1952
01:46:15,360 --> 01:46:18,200
Speaker 6: two off Justin Verlander, who pitched into the seventh inning

1953
01:46:18,240 --> 01:46:20,800
Speaker 6: one hundred and one pitches thrown. Game two of the

1954
01:46:20,800 --> 01:46:23,760
Speaker 6: best of seven is tomorrow afternoon, also on Fox four

1955
01:46:23,880 --> 01:46:27,080
Speaker 6: thirty pm Eastern Time. Houston is in the LCS for

1956
01:46:27,160 --> 01:46:30,479
Speaker 6: the seventh straight year. The record is eight straight years

1957
01:46:30,520 --> 01:46:33,160
Speaker 6: by Atlanta. By the way, Rangers pitcher Max schurz Er,

1958
01:46:33,200 --> 01:46:35,320
Speaker 6: with a strange shoulder, did make the roster for this

1959
01:46:35,439 --> 01:46:37,800
Speaker 6: series so he could pitch Game three on Wednesday. He

1960
01:46:37,840 --> 01:46:41,720
Speaker 6: had missed the divisional round. The NLCS begins on Monday night.

1961
01:46:41,800 --> 01:46:45,120
Speaker 6: Kyle Larson took the NASCAR race in Las Vegas, finishing

1962
01:46:45,280 --> 01:46:48,000
Speaker 6: just ahead of Christopher Bell. Brooks Keepka won the live

1963
01:46:48,080 --> 01:46:52,400
Speaker 6: golf event in Saudi Arabia in a playoff. Well, flags

1964
01:46:52,439 --> 01:46:54,519
Speaker 6: all over the field. At Buffalo, they got to figure

1965
01:46:54,560 --> 01:46:55,200
Speaker 6: this one out.

1966
01:46:55,800 --> 01:46:57,080
Speaker 2: Wow, was a good one.

1967
01:46:57,320 --> 01:47:01,920
Speaker 6: The Bills are driving sort of a scuffle. Let's say

1968
01:47:01,920 --> 01:47:05,320
Speaker 6: in the Giants League six nothing late in the third quarter,

1969
01:47:05,439 --> 01:47:06,160
Speaker 6: back to you.

1970
01:47:06,760 --> 01:47:08,400
Speaker 2: Oh good stuff, Steve.

1971
01:47:08,520 --> 01:47:11,000
Speaker 3: Yeah. When the officials are like, I'm out of flags.

1972
01:47:11,040 --> 01:47:14,320
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna start throwing parts of my outfit. That's

1973
01:47:14,400 --> 01:47:16,880
Speaker 3: kind of what that was. I don't know exactly what

1974
01:47:17,000 --> 01:47:19,599
Speaker 3: led to this, but you had all the big fellas

1975
01:47:19,640 --> 01:47:24,120
Speaker 3: on both sides got real hot and bothered. People started kicking,

1976
01:47:24,520 --> 01:47:26,840
Speaker 3: and then that was the end of that. A lot

1977
01:47:26,840 --> 01:47:31,639
Speaker 3: of extracurricular activity here between the lines of the Giants

1978
01:47:31,640 --> 01:47:33,679
Speaker 3: and the Bills, and I don't know how you flag

1979
01:47:33,720 --> 01:47:35,760
Speaker 3: one side or the other, but the officials are in

1980
01:47:35,800 --> 01:47:37,760
Speaker 3: the process of sorting this one out.

1981
01:47:40,800 --> 01:47:43,920
Speaker 1: I'm watching it now. I don't understand how they're gonna

1982
01:47:43,920 --> 01:47:46,680
Speaker 1: sort it out either, nor I mean, I don't know

1983
01:47:47,400 --> 01:47:50,280
Speaker 1: Spencer Brown might be going to the tent. I mean

1984
01:47:50,320 --> 01:47:52,639
Speaker 1: his head smashed against the turf and then he gets

1985
01:47:52,720 --> 01:47:57,160
Speaker 1: drilled again twice. Yeah, yeah, this, and then you got

1986
01:47:57,840 --> 01:48:00,640
Speaker 1: there was like two or three guys that made Consue's

1987
01:48:00,760 --> 01:48:03,200
Speaker 1: kick look WOOSSI back in the day, you know, with

1988
01:48:03,320 --> 01:48:05,240
Speaker 1: some of the kicks that were thrown in that and

1989
01:48:05,280 --> 01:48:07,960
Speaker 1: that scuffle there. This this is gonna be interesting. There's

1990
01:48:08,000 --> 01:48:11,400
Speaker 1: gonna be ejections and fines and suspensions for sure out

1991
01:48:11,439 --> 01:48:11,880
Speaker 1: of this one.

1992
01:48:12,560 --> 01:48:15,679
Speaker 3: Well, and what's even funnier and I guess you'd expect

1993
01:48:15,680 --> 01:48:18,160
Speaker 3: it with the way he plays football, but Josh Allen

1994
01:48:18,240 --> 01:48:21,280
Speaker 3: even got into this at one point, throwing a shoulder

1995
01:48:21,680 --> 01:48:25,519
Speaker 3: into a Giants offensive lineman or defensive lineman. I should say,

1996
01:48:26,320 --> 01:48:29,759
Speaker 3: Josh Allen, I like I scratched my head every year

1997
01:48:30,240 --> 01:48:33,680
Speaker 3: that he has not dealt with more physical problems than

1998
01:48:33,760 --> 01:48:36,959
Speaker 3: he has with the way he plays football as a quarterback.

1999
01:48:36,960 --> 01:48:38,680
Speaker 3: You're not supposed to be able to do that in

2000
01:48:38,720 --> 01:48:40,200
Speaker 3: this league, but he does somehow.

2001
01:48:40,680 --> 01:48:44,680
Speaker 1: No, but that just speaks to the physical ability that

2002
01:48:44,760 --> 01:48:49,479
Speaker 1: he has. I mean, he's truly just he has more

2003
01:48:49,560 --> 01:48:53,360
Speaker 1: God given talent ability in size than most human beings.

2004
01:48:53,400 --> 01:48:56,120
Speaker 1: And you know, ultimately he's out there playing the game

2005
01:48:56,200 --> 01:48:58,720
Speaker 1: like he's played his entire life. And you know, sometimes

2006
01:48:58,760 --> 01:49:01,639
Speaker 1: you you can't do that in the NFL, But for Josh,

2007
01:49:01,680 --> 01:49:04,639
Speaker 1: it's like it's it's the blessing and the curse. It's

2008
01:49:04,680 --> 01:49:07,000
Speaker 1: what makes him superman at times where he goes and

2009
01:49:07,080 --> 01:49:10,080
Speaker 1: jumps over people. But you know there's times where I'm

2010
01:49:10,080 --> 01:49:13,559
Speaker 1: sure Bills fans and Bill's coaches are like, oh dear,

2011
01:49:13,600 --> 01:49:16,599
Speaker 1: please please don't go in there, don't you know, don't

2012
01:49:16,600 --> 01:49:19,000
Speaker 1: go get into a fight or don't jump over that guy.

2013
01:49:19,800 --> 01:49:22,479
Speaker 1: But that's the competitor that Josh is and you know

2014
01:49:22,520 --> 01:49:24,000
Speaker 1: that's what makes him the player that he is.

2015
01:49:25,080 --> 01:49:26,920
Speaker 3: Do you ever get in any good ones like this?

2016
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Speaker 1: Not during a game? No, you know, certainly have plenty

2017
01:49:31,000 --> 01:49:33,840
Speaker 1: in training camp in college in the NFL, and this

2018
01:49:33,840 --> 01:49:36,760
Speaker 1: this this looked like a training camp fight. You don't

2019
01:49:36,840 --> 01:49:39,400
Speaker 1: usually see these too often in a game.

2020
01:49:41,080 --> 01:49:44,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, this one was interesting for sure. So they'll sort

2021
01:49:44,680 --> 01:49:48,400
Speaker 3: it out one way or another. It appears that the

2022
01:49:48,479 --> 01:49:51,439
Speaker 3: Bills are going to have a first and goal from

2023
01:49:51,560 --> 01:49:54,000
Speaker 3: very very close to the end zone, whether it's the two,

2024
01:49:54,520 --> 01:49:56,880
Speaker 3: whether it's half the distance of the goal to get

2025
01:49:56,920 --> 01:50:00,479
Speaker 3: to the one. But the Bills are embarking on their

2026
01:50:00,560 --> 01:50:04,600
Speaker 3: best opportunity to uh, to get on the scoreboard. Unbelievable

2027
01:50:04,600 --> 01:50:06,919
Speaker 3: that we're almost in the fourth quarter and the Buffalo

2028
01:50:06,920 --> 01:50:10,040
Speaker 3: Bills have not scored yet. So we'll get that all

2029
01:50:10,120 --> 01:50:12,960
Speaker 3: sorted out and coming up next, keep you up to

2030
01:50:13,040 --> 01:50:15,000
Speaker 3: date on what's going on in the game. But Kyle

2031
01:50:15,120 --> 01:50:17,640
Speaker 3: also coming up next, we got five to five and

2032
01:50:17,760 --> 01:50:21,800
Speaker 3: one teams. Let's power rank them and see where we're at.

2033
01:50:21,840 --> 01:50:25,280
Speaker 3: We'll get you ready for tomorrow night's game as well

2034
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Speaker 3: as we continue Tyrack dot Com Studios. That's Kyle Rudolph.

2035
01:50:29,040 --> 01:50:30,920
Speaker 3: I'm Mark Willard, Fox Sports Radio.

2036
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Speaker 8: Caroln Hurts in the shuckup back to his life.

2037
01:50:35,240 --> 01:50:37,360
Speaker 6: Twin receivers through outer side.

2038
01:50:37,400 --> 01:50:40,280
Speaker 3: Back to throw is Hurts looks left, throws left.

2039
01:50:40,320 --> 01:50:44,439
Speaker 8: It's an accepted pick up running right. Tony Adams's inside

2040
01:50:44,479 --> 01:50:47,639
Speaker 8: the twenty five breaks a tackle down to the ten

2041
01:50:47,720 --> 01:50:53,120
Speaker 8: yard line. One minute and fifty seconds to go home,

2042
01:50:53,880 --> 01:50:56,760
Speaker 8: and the Jets are inside the ten yard line on

2043
01:50:56,920 --> 01:50:57,960
Speaker 8: the peck well.

2044
01:50:58,080 --> 01:51:00,200
Speaker 3: You can hear it in their voices on j that's

2045
01:51:00,320 --> 01:51:05,519
Speaker 3: radio like yay, but also what were the Eagles doing that?

2046
01:51:06,640 --> 01:51:08,880
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2051
01:51:23,280 --> 01:51:27,559
Speaker 3: Rack dot com Studios. I still can't get over it. Kyle.

2052
01:51:27,720 --> 01:51:30,320
Speaker 3: It's like the funny thing was, I was sitting here

2053
01:51:30,439 --> 01:51:32,120
Speaker 3: you and I are getting ready to go on, and

2054
01:51:32,200 --> 01:51:33,720
Speaker 3: I'm like, I want to talk to him about all

2055
01:51:33,760 --> 01:51:39,720
Speaker 3: these chances that these coaches are taking and then I'm like, oh,

2056
01:51:40,120 --> 01:51:43,960
Speaker 3: and and there would be exhibit A, like I was

2057
01:51:44,080 --> 01:51:47,120
Speaker 3: thinking it before it even happened, and then it just

2058
01:51:47,760 --> 01:51:52,080
Speaker 3: it just keeps getting worse. So I don't know, it's

2059
01:51:52,240 --> 01:51:56,320
Speaker 3: unbelievable to me how hard these coaches are trying to

2060
01:51:56,560 --> 01:51:58,680
Speaker 3: just keep the ball and go for it and go

2061
01:51:58,880 --> 01:52:01,680
Speaker 3: for it and go for it at every turn, and

2062
01:52:01,880 --> 01:52:04,599
Speaker 3: seemingly to their detriment, and that does not slow them down.

2063
01:52:05,880 --> 01:52:09,120
Speaker 1: No, And it's it's hard enough to win games in

2064
01:52:09,160 --> 01:52:13,240
Speaker 1: the NFL that we see it right now. I mean,

2065
01:52:14,240 --> 01:52:16,800
Speaker 1: we would consider the Bills to be one of the

2066
01:52:17,200 --> 01:52:20,679
Speaker 1: best teams in the AFC, and certainly through five games

2067
01:52:20,720 --> 01:52:23,439
Speaker 1: that the Giants haven't done a whole lot to make

2068
01:52:23,479 --> 01:52:25,479
Speaker 1: you think that they're not one of the worst teams

2069
01:52:25,520 --> 01:52:28,360
Speaker 1: in the NFC. And yet you know, you got a

2070
01:52:28,479 --> 01:52:31,000
Speaker 1: now seven to six game early in the third quarter.

2071
01:52:31,520 --> 01:52:34,000
Speaker 1: And that's every week in the NFL. If you don't

2072
01:52:34,040 --> 01:52:35,760
Speaker 1: show up, it doesn't matter if you're one of the

2073
01:52:35,840 --> 01:52:38,439
Speaker 1: best teams in your conference or in the league and

2074
01:52:38,520 --> 01:52:41,799
Speaker 1: you're playing one of the worst teams in the conference

2075
01:52:42,000 --> 01:52:46,240
Speaker 1: or across the league. The talent is just so even

2076
01:52:46,320 --> 01:52:50,600
Speaker 1: across the board that execution late in the game, the

2077
01:52:50,720 --> 01:52:54,280
Speaker 1: last five minutes of the game. You know, used to

2078
01:52:54,360 --> 01:52:56,080
Speaker 1: have us saying all the time that if you don't

2079
01:52:56,120 --> 01:52:58,920
Speaker 1: beat yourself, you'll go eight to eight. You know, it's

2080
01:52:59,040 --> 01:53:01,280
Speaker 1: it's hard enough to win games in this league that

2081
01:53:01,360 --> 01:53:04,639
Speaker 1: if you just don't beat yourself, the other team will

2082
01:53:04,720 --> 01:53:08,639
Speaker 1: beat themselves eight times. And I just think we're seeing

2083
01:53:08,680 --> 01:53:10,599
Speaker 1: it more and more often now with some of these

2084
01:53:10,640 --> 01:53:14,320
Speaker 1: decisions that coaches are making down the stretch.

2085
01:53:15,560 --> 01:53:18,200
Speaker 2: Bills do get into the end zone finally and score.

2086
01:53:18,400 --> 01:53:21,559
Speaker 3: Injury timeout has prevented the extra point from going up,

2087
01:53:21,640 --> 01:53:24,639
Speaker 3: which is all important because right now, tied at six,

2088
01:53:25,160 --> 01:53:28,040
Speaker 3: fourteen fifty four to go in this game and an

2089
01:53:28,120 --> 01:53:31,320
Speaker 3: extra point pending for the Bills. Put that out aside

2090
01:53:31,360 --> 01:53:33,760
Speaker 3: for a set, Kyle, and tell me how you would

2091
01:53:33,880 --> 01:53:38,040
Speaker 3: rank the five and one football teams that we still

2092
01:53:38,080 --> 01:53:38,559
Speaker 3: have left.

2093
01:53:42,080 --> 01:53:48,639
Speaker 1: I would have to. I would put the Niners still.

2094
01:53:50,439 --> 01:54:04,679
Speaker 1: I would go Niners won, Chiefs two, Eagles three. Okay,

2095
01:54:08,880 --> 01:54:11,599
Speaker 1: do we put the Lions at four?

2096
01:54:12,600 --> 01:54:13,440
Speaker 3: Don't hesitate?

2097
01:54:13,960 --> 01:54:18,559
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Lions at four? Dolphins. I would put Lions at four,

2098
01:54:18,640 --> 01:54:19,439
Speaker 1: Dolphins at five.

2099
01:54:20,280 --> 01:54:22,000
Speaker 3: I tell you the only thing that I would do

2100
01:54:22,280 --> 01:54:25,320
Speaker 3: is I would probably flip flop the Lions and the Eagles,

2101
01:54:25,360 --> 01:54:29,160
Speaker 3: and I know that may sound a little bit disrespectful,

2102
01:54:29,200 --> 01:54:32,000
Speaker 3: but for me, Miami is definitely the number five, and

2103
01:54:32,080 --> 01:54:35,280
Speaker 3: it's because they look of this group the least balanced.

2104
01:54:35,600 --> 01:54:38,080
Speaker 3: I don't see their defense as something that's going to

2105
01:54:38,160 --> 01:54:41,600
Speaker 3: stop other good offenses. And the only example we've seen

2106
01:54:41,720 --> 01:54:43,760
Speaker 3: is when they took on the Bills. They gave up

2107
01:54:43,840 --> 01:54:46,920
Speaker 3: forty eight points and got outscored by four touchdowns. So

2108
01:54:47,080 --> 01:54:50,280
Speaker 3: I would definitely have them at number five right now.

2109
01:54:51,160 --> 01:54:53,360
Speaker 3: Like I almost struggle with who to put it four

2110
01:54:53,480 --> 01:54:55,880
Speaker 3: between the Eagles and the Chiefs. They're in the Super

2111
01:54:55,920 --> 01:54:58,080
Speaker 3: Bowl together last year and they're both five and one.

2112
01:54:58,160 --> 01:55:01,680
Speaker 3: They're both fantastic to take anything away, but they simply

2113
01:55:01,800 --> 01:55:03,880
Speaker 3: do not look like they looked last year.

2114
01:55:04,320 --> 01:55:05,320
Speaker 2: They just don't.

2115
01:55:05,400 --> 01:55:08,960
Speaker 3: Their offense has lost a portion of its dynamic nature.

2116
01:55:09,600 --> 01:55:12,840
Speaker 3: And I'm not saying they won't figure it out. And

2117
01:55:12,920 --> 01:55:14,880
Speaker 3: I know the Eagles were down a couple of key

2118
01:55:15,000 --> 01:55:19,080
Speaker 3: defensive players today. I get all of that, but to me,

2119
01:55:20,120 --> 01:55:22,880
Speaker 3: the Eagles have slipped a little bit and the Lions

2120
01:55:22,960 --> 01:55:26,640
Speaker 3: have impressed me so much because they are playing balance football.

2121
01:55:27,080 --> 01:55:32,120
Speaker 3: Aiden Hutchinson on defense is a real weapon. They're holding

2122
01:55:32,200 --> 01:55:34,640
Speaker 3: teams out of the end zone. They're going and doing

2123
01:55:34,720 --> 01:55:38,680
Speaker 3: it on the road outdoors, road winds at Arrowhead and Lambeau.

2124
01:55:38,800 --> 01:55:41,560
Speaker 3: So far this year, it's a young season, but to me,

2125
01:55:42,160 --> 01:55:45,400
Speaker 3: the Lions look like they belong. And I'd agree with

2126
01:55:45,520 --> 01:55:49,320
Speaker 3: you that today's stumble aside. I still think the forty

2127
01:55:49,440 --> 01:55:51,560
Speaker 3: nine ers are going to be the toughest out.

2128
01:55:52,680 --> 01:55:55,960
Speaker 1: No, definitely, And you know, I think we've talked about

2129
01:55:55,960 --> 01:55:58,000
Speaker 1: it a couple times throughout the course of the show

2130
01:55:58,080 --> 01:56:04,000
Speaker 1: that the resume speaks for itself. But I also am

2131
01:56:04,080 --> 01:56:08,840
Speaker 1: a firm believer in you know, I know Kansas City

2132
01:56:08,880 --> 01:56:12,800
Speaker 1: has had their struggles at the wide receiver position. Certainly,

2133
01:56:12,880 --> 01:56:18,120
Speaker 1: we've talked about Philly struggles. You know, offensively, they haven't

2134
01:56:18,160 --> 01:56:20,200
Speaker 1: really been able to find the end zone as much

2135
01:56:20,240 --> 01:56:25,800
Speaker 1: as they had last year specifically, and you know, Jake

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Speaker 1: Elliott's been probably the most valuable player of their team

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Speaker 1: thus far with all the field goals that he's made.

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Speaker 1: But ultimately that those two teams, in my opinion, are

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Speaker 1: teams that are tried and true tested. They've been there before.

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Speaker 1: Detroit just has not. And it's it's simply not a

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Speaker 1: knock on what they've done and what their resume says.

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Speaker 1: I just I can't dethrone the two Super Bowl contenders

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Speaker 1: who have the same record until they're de throned in January.

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Speaker 1: So that's the only in that I put Detroit below

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Speaker 1: those two teams.

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Speaker 3: I totally understand it, although I'll also say this, we

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Speaker 3: spend so much time talking about quarterbacks while we're analyzing

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Speaker 3: the NFL, and while Rock Purdy has been such a

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Speaker 3: subject because he's quote unquote a product of the system

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Speaker 3: according to some, I also really wonder I'm fascinated by

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Speaker 3: a guy like Jared Goff because if you dive into

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Speaker 3: the numbers, you'll see someone who right now is really

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Speaker 3: doing a lot of great stuff, really limiting turnovers through

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Speaker 3: for over three hundred yards again today. He's got an

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Speaker 3: interesting receiving core around him, but that offense moves downhill

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Speaker 3: a lot more often than it doesn't. And Golf, who

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Speaker 3: I think is an afterthought for sure when people are

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Speaker 3: talking about quarterbacking throughout the NFL. This is someone who

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Speaker 3: just does a lot of things right and he limits

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Speaker 3: all the things that you do wrong. May be it

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Speaker 3: isn't flashy, but for me, effective enough for sure.

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Speaker 1: No, I think I don't remember if we were talking

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Speaker 1: about brock Perty when we brought up this example. But

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Speaker 1: the old like you just put the numbers up and

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Speaker 1: you don't put pictures or names up, and you say like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know who is this? If you put Jared Goff's

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Speaker 1: numbers up, I don't think there's gonna be a lot

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Speaker 1: of people that are gonna guess. You know, he's number

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Speaker 1: five in the NFL in yards right now. You know,

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Speaker 1: eleven touchdowns the three interceptions throughout the first six games

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Speaker 1: of the season. And I think Jared Goff is a

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Speaker 1: guy that while he was in LA. I know, he

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Speaker 1: lost the Super Bowl to New England. He wasn't able

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Speaker 1: to get all the way over the hump and win

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. And I think when that trade happened

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Speaker 1: and Matthew Stafford came to LA and they sent Jared

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Speaker 1: Goff to Detroit, it was almost like they just sent

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Speaker 1: him there to forget about him. And the entire league

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Speaker 1: was supposed to forget about him as well. And yet

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Speaker 1: you look at his body of work and all he

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Speaker 1: did was win a lot of football games when he

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Speaker 1: was in LA, and he's done the exact same thing

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Speaker 1: since he showed up in Detroit.

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Speaker 3: He's up over sixteen hundred yards. Completion percentage is sixty

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Speaker 3: nine point five and as you mentioned, eleven touchdowns, three interceptions.

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Speaker 3: That's quarterbacking that flat out works. I don't care what

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Speaker 3: it looks like.

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Speaker 1: At twelve out of fifteen wins in the last fifteen games.

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Speaker 2: Yep, there's that too.

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Speaker 3: At a five and one record, two boot tops in

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Speaker 3: the NFL along with the other four we're talking about.

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Speaker 2: Kyle, great stuff, man.

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Speaker 3: Always fun to chop it up with you on a Sunday.

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Speaker 1: Night, man, Mark, I enjoyed it. Today was a fun one.

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Speaker 1: We had a lot more action through that Sunday night game,

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Speaker 1: and I think we thought we were going to have.

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Speaker 2: No doubt about it.

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Speaker 3: And it is still coming. So we'll head it off

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Speaker 3: to the next guys to let them take it the

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Speaker 3: rest of the way for Kyle, Rudolph Mark Willard.

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