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Speaker 1: Welcome In Wednesday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton Show.

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Speaker 2: I am in Israel, buck is in Miami.

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Speaker 1: The geographic distance is wide, but my goodness, we have

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Speaker 1: a lot to dive into today as the fallout of

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Speaker 1: the Daniel Penny verdict continues, but also the United Healthcare

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Speaker 1: CEO murder now that they have this lunatic in prison,

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Speaker 1: the number of women out there that are in love.

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Speaker 2: With him is crazy.

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Speaker 1: And the overall attempt which has become quite common now

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Speaker 1: to try to analogize these two situations and suggest that

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Speaker 1: they are in any way reflective of one another. To me,

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Speaker 1: Bucket feels like it's only growing here. And we had

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Speaker 1: a discussion yesterday, and I understand that there are many

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Speaker 1: people that are fired up about the healthcare system in America,

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Speaker 1: and it is extremely frustrating, and it is extremely inefficient,

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Speaker 1: and there are lots of things that everyone out there

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Speaker 1: has had as an issue at some point in time

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Speaker 1: in their family. But you can't kill CEO because you

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Speaker 1: don't like the United States healthcare system. And the fact

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Speaker 1: that people out there are saying, oh, look, in one case,

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Speaker 1: vigilante justice is rewarded with Daniel Penny, and in the

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Speaker 1: other case, Oh my goodness, they're not giving any justification

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Speaker 1: to the killer here. I can't believe that this argument

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Speaker 1: could even occur, or that people buck with functional brains

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Speaker 1: could even attempt to analogize these to me, as in

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Speaker 1: most life, most of life, and most of the criminal

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Speaker 1: justice system. Frankly, it comes down to intent. Daniel Penny's

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Speaker 1: goal that day was to go safely take a subway ride.

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Speaker 1: He felt compelled to act to try to protect his

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Speaker 1: passengers around him. The killer of the United Healthcare CEO

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Speaker 1: plotted in cold blood to kill a man who'd never

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Speaker 1: done anything to him directly and had committed no crimes.

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Speaker 3: I got to say, Clay Penny's attitude, his perspective on

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Speaker 3: this is pretty remarkable. This is cut one. He's telling

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Speaker 3: everybody after this acquittal. You know, usually well, it's always

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Speaker 3: the case that the process is the punishment with a

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Speaker 3: criminal prosecution, right You're you don't ever want to be

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Speaker 3: criminally prosecuted. But Penny seems to have no bitterness about it.

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Speaker 3: He says, a trade off I would make again to

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Speaker 3: step in and defend people play cut one.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not a confrontational person. I don't really

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Speaker 4: extend myself. I think this type of thing is very uncomfortable.

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Speaker 4: All this attention in line mind is very uncomfortable, and

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Speaker 4: I would prefer without it. I didn't want any type

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Speaker 4: of attention or praise or and I still don't the

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Speaker 4: guilt I would have felt if someone did get hurt,

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Speaker 4: if if he did do what he would threatening to do.

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Speaker 4: Would never be able to live with myself. And I'll

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Speaker 4: take a million court appearances and people calling me names

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Speaker 4: and people hating me just to keep one of those

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Speaker 4: people from getting hurt or killed.

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Speaker 2: Clay, this is what a code is.

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Speaker 3: When you talk about a man who has a code

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Speaker 3: of honor, a code of ethics, it is more important

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Speaker 3: to me to achieve a moral end than it is

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Speaker 3: to avoid suffering or to avoid the negative consequences of

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Speaker 3: the state. So I think Penny has acquitted himself after

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Speaker 3: his acquittal in these interviews in a remarkable way. And

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Speaker 3: beyond that, I would just say this, Clay, if Penny

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Speaker 3: had done this, we haven't talked about this yet. I'm

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Speaker 3: wondering if you agree. If Penny had done this in

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Speaker 3: the summer of twenty twenty, he's sitting in prison right

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Speaker 3: now because oh I think you're right, you know, because

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Speaker 3: people have woken up. They've realized that the big problem

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Speaker 3: is not systemic racism, in fact, at the hands of police.

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Speaker 3: The big problem for millions and millions of Americans is

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Speaker 3: not being safe on their streets, on the subways, you know,

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Speaker 3: walking in front of their homes, going to the store.

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Speaker 2: We've seen all the videos. Enough is enough.

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Speaker 1: The fever's broken, the woke fever has broken. And here's

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Speaker 1: what I would say about the subway incident in particular,

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Speaker 1: the City of New York failed Daniel Penny and they

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Speaker 1: failed Jordan Neely. There are a lot of people out

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Speaker 1: there who want to say, oh, Jordan Neely is the victim.

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Speaker 1: Daniel Penny's the bad guy. Some people want to say, oh,

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Speaker 1: Daniel Penny's a hero, Jordan Neely is the is the

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Speaker 1: awful villain I gotta take here. I think the City

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Speaker 1: of New York is the villain here, because the City

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Speaker 1: of New York had a vested Jordan Neely for violent

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Speaker 1: incidents that definitely sprang from his mental illness. I think

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Speaker 1: the number is forty two times. This is a guy

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Speaker 1: who socked a sixty seven year old woman in the

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Speaker 1: guy who could have gone blind in one eye. When

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Speaker 1: you when you shatter somebody's orbital bone, it is not hard.

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Speaker 1: Any of the ophthalmologists or surgeons know that very easily

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Speaker 1: blind in an eye. Not a minor thing to do

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Speaker 1: to an elderly woman. Yeah, sixty seven year old woman

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Speaker 1: somebody who was a threat to him, but he was

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Speaker 1: a threat to himself and he was a threat to others,

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Speaker 1: and they let him out on the street because of

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Speaker 1: the soft on crime policies.

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Speaker 2: Daniel Penny had to.

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Speaker 1: Act that day in his mind, and a jury believed

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Speaker 1: he was justified in doing that act because New York

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Speaker 1: City failed. This was and is to me on New

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Speaker 1: failure by deciding they needed to put Daniel Penny on

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Speaker 1: trial and try to imprison him. So not only did

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Speaker 1: they create the toxic circumstances of this situation. If Jordan

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Speaker 1: Neely's family wants to sue somebody, they should sue the

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Speaker 1: state of New York and the City of New York

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Speaker 1: because they failed to take a violent criminal off the

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Speaker 1: streets and someone who was mentally ill. Can we bring

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Speaker 1: back you want to talk about things that we need

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Speaker 1: to bring back, can we bring back insane asylums?

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Speaker 2: I mean a huge portion a.

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Speaker 1: Violent crime in this country is directly connected to mental illness.

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Speaker 1: And we basically have decided nobody needs to be put

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Speaker 3: This may or may not shock you, Clay, but you

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Speaker 3: know who very much agrees with some of this analysis.

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Speaker 3: Mourning Joe Scarborough himself, this is cut whoa he is attacked.

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Speaker 3: My goodness, his fellow Democrat lunatics were passing insane laws

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Speaker 3: about homelessness, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: Play four.

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Speaker 5: Middle health system in this country is just grossly insufficient.

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Speaker 5: Whether you're talking about New York, whether you're talking about Florida,

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Speaker 5: whether you're talking about California. You have people walking around

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Speaker 5: on the streets that have mental health issues. And the

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Speaker 5: fact that some progressives have said, basically, well, we're just

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Speaker 5: you know, let's pass laws that allow homelessness all all. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: you look in San Francisco, you look at Los Angeles.

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Speaker 5: As we've said all along and reve and I've said

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Speaker 5: all along, there's nothing compassionate about that. Now, there's nothing

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Speaker 3: No, by the way, this is a total reversal, a

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Speaker 3: rejection of Democrat dogma for certainly the last decade and

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Speaker 3: maybe the last you know, several decades, going back to

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Speaker 3: the Giuliani crime miracle of New York. Clay, just like

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Speaker 3: with so many things Democrats, whether it's oh, the real

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Speaker 3: problem with violence in this country is white cops against

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Speaker 3: young black men.

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Speaker 2: That is a lie.

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Speaker 3: It's actually incredibly rare. And the real problem with the

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Speaker 3: violence is criminals shooting each other, and disproportionately their minority

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Speaker 3: young men shooting minority young men.

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Speaker 2: Put that aside for a moment.

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Speaker 3: Clay here, they like to make everybody think that homelessness

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Speaker 3: is caused by healthcare denials followed by bankruptcy. Somebody couldn't

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Speaker 2: Somebody all of a sudden ran a little too much

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Speaker 2: on their credit card bills.

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Speaker 3: Anybody with any experience dealing with and I mean in

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Speaker 3: a institutional way, right, like trying to help. You know,

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Speaker 3: I had a grandfather who is involved with the Coalition

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Speaker 3: for Shelter for you know, many many many years in

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Speaker 2: Eighty or ninety percent of the homeless you see.

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Speaker 3: And they keep saying, don't punish people for these things

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Speaker 3: by taking away their freedom, But they're taking away the

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Speaker 3: freedom of other people to walk the streets safely.

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Speaker 2: Then this is what By the way, the Jordan.

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Speaker 3: Neely, he was given a safe place to sleep, food,

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Speaker 3: I think it was fourteen days.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw eleven days. But you're right.

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Speaker 1: They tried to get him off the streets. And this

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Speaker 1: is where again I grew with Jeff Scarborough. We got

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Speaker 1: to bring back in some way mental institutions. Remember when

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Speaker 1: I mean, I've read the studies because I was fascinated

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Speaker 1: no one in mental health INSTITUTTIONE compared to we just

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Speaker 1: call them insane asylums back in the day. And by

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Speaker 1: the way, Daniel Penny also ripped New York because he said,

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Speaker 1: I think some degree of what I said, which is

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Speaker 1: the City of New York's failure, is what created the

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Speaker 1: conflict between Jordan Neely and Daniel Penny. That never needed

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Speaker 4: How does it serve them to hurt you just political gain?

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Speaker 4: I mean, these are their policies that are and I

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Speaker 4: don't mean to get political. I don't really want to

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Speaker 4: But I mean these these are their policies that I've

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Speaker 1: I think he's right here, Buck. I think your point

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Speaker 1: is a good one. If Jordan Neely did this exact

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Speaker 1: same thing in the twenty twenty I think he would

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Speaker 1: this is strong evidence that there is a rejection and

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Speaker 1: repudiation of New York City policies. And I would just

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Speaker 1: unanimously agree that his actions were justified. I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: there is a single jurisdiction in all of America right

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Speaker 1: now where Daniel Penny could have been convicted. You know,

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Speaker 1: he's not getting convicted in Nashville, Tennessee, where I live,

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Speaker 1: or my own.

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Speaker 2: To your point, he wouldn't even be prosecuted.

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Speaker 1: He wouldn't even get charged. Yes, but the fact that

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Speaker 1: they couldn't even get a conviction there. He wouldn't be

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Speaker 1: prosecuted in most jurisdictions based on the evidence here. But

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Speaker 1: the fact they couldn't even get a conviction there. Maybe Washington,

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Speaker 1: DC you could get it. I don't even think you

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Speaker 1: could get it there because I've ridden the Metro in

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Speaker 1: DC that didn't used to be there.

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Speaker 3: I Clay, I mean I read, I've ridden the subway

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Speaker 3: thousands of times over my life. I used to ride

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Speaker 3: the subway even before the pandemic. I was on the

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Speaker 2: Least four rides a day right during the week.

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Speaker 3: And the stuff that you started to see in the

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Speaker 3: of Deblasio, because of the end of stop question and frist.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you killed a guy. The man is dead,

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Speaker 3: You know, it's just totally out of context here, Clay

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Speaker 1: The number of women Buck that are basically losing their

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Speaker 2: Or gay men? I guess maybe? Uh and I wanted

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Speaker 1: How in the world did he get recognized? At an Altoona,

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Speaker 1: So the McDonald's guys are sitting around joking that Luigi

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Speaker 3: or thousands of people whatever, crazy either way, And here

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Speaker 3: we are. You know, is there an outsize outside chance

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Speaker 3: don't think it's zero. I think he has a chance. Again,

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Speaker 3: if I were the the criminal defense attorney here, and

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Speaker 3: I'm not in any way justifying it, but when you're

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Speaker 3: a lawyer, you play the hands that you are dealt

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Speaker 3: and try to play the hand the best you can.

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Speaker 3: That is you are an advocate. I think the defense

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Speaker 3: They will say that he was so angered at what

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Speaker 3: system that, based on his lived experience to use the

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Speaker 3: phrase that he wanted to scream, that he felt compelled

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Speaker 3: to act, and in a moment of insanity, he acted

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Speaker 3: against this CEO, And they will hope that one person

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Speaker 3: will buy that as as a result, he is not

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Speaker 3: culpable for his act because his brain basically just like

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Speaker 3: went on the fritz. And this was a This was

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Speaker 3: almost like an insanity style defense. The reason I say

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Speaker 3: insanity style defense, Buck is I don't know whether some

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Speaker 3: states specifically don't allow you to make an insanity defense

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Speaker 3: in a criminal context, and so and so I'm not

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Speaker 3: sure New York does. Fun fact, one of the first

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Speaker 3: successful insanity defenses ever, General Daniel Sickles, who was a

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Speaker 3: one of the heroes of the Battle of Gettysburg, killed

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Speaker 3: his wife's lover and argued that in the heat of

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Speaker 3: the moment, he had gone insane and therefore was not

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Speaker 3: criminally responsible for the murderous act. Crime of passion used

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Speaker 3: to be a criminal defense, or you know, there used

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Speaker 3: to be that you could say that you could argue

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Speaker 3: you found some guy in bed with your wife, and

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Speaker 3: a jury wouldn't always convict over that, right, I mean,

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Speaker 3: that's actually the way that this this used to go.

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Speaker 3: So I think one part of this clay that hasn't

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Speaker 3: really gotten it hasn't really gotten enough.

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Speaker 2: Focus.

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Speaker 3: This guy's a terrorist, right, I mean we use the

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Speaker 3: word assassin, and that's true, but he is a terrorist, yes,

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Speaker 3: the same way that somebody who you know tried to

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Speaker 3: and they one of the prime suspects randomly in the

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Speaker 3: nineteen twenty Wall Street bombing, the huge bomb on Wall

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Speaker 3: Street was a guy named Luigi as well. So Luigi

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Speaker 3: making a comeback. This guy committed a high profile murder

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Speaker 3: in the furtherance of a clear political and I mean

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Speaker 3: the ideology is clear, but a clear connection to a

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Speaker 3: political ideology.

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Speaker 2: This guy's a terrorist.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is terror one oh, one he is,

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Speaker 3: and and quite honestly, there's some efficacy to his terrorism

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Speaker 3: because he has forced a national conversation to be occurring

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Speaker 3: right now about healthcare. So you know, as a society,

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Speaker 3: I think we have to be very cognizant of what

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Speaker 3: this guy wanted is everyone to talk about United healthcare

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Speaker 3: denials and to think that they're apparently much higher than

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Speaker 3: they really are.

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Speaker 2: But put that aside.

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Speaker 3: What this guy wanted is everyone to sit around and say,

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Speaker 3: what's really the legacy of Obamacare, what's really better about

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Speaker 3: canada system than ours or not? Like he actually wanted

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Speaker 3: that to happen, and it is happening. And when terrorists

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Speaker 3: get their way, I think we should all be very

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Speaker 3: cautious about the trajectory of what we're discussing. That's why

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Speaker 3: I think he wants the trial, of course, like he

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Speaker 3: wants to make the case in the courtroom of a

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Speaker 3: dramatic fashion about his actions, which ties in by the way,

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Speaker 3: Daniel Sickles, here's something people didn't expect. Killed his wife's

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Speaker 3: lover eighteen fifty nine, then became a general in the

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Speaker 3: Civil War. Argued that he was one of the heroes

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Speaker 3: of the Battle of Gettysburg and was a member of

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Speaker 3: the Grant administration later in his life.

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Speaker 2: That's a crazy story.

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Speaker 1: Eighteen fifty nine, he was one of the first people

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Speaker 1: to get away with the insanity defense. He committed a murder,

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Speaker 1: said that he was temporarily insane. I don't know that

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Speaker 1: you can use it officially as a defense in New

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Speaker 1: York State. Maybe somebody who's listening to us is an

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Speaker 1: expert on New York penal law. Some states have specifically

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Speaker 1: disallowed it. But every crime requires typically two parts, the

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Speaker 1: act and the intent to commit the act. When you

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Speaker 1: are temporarily insane, you do not have the mental faculty

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Speaker 1: to intend to commit the act. That's how you get

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Speaker 1: away with doing something like that. One other aspect to

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Speaker 1: your buck that I think is significant. The guy who

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Speaker 1: was killed, Brian Thompson.

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Speaker 2: He is a from a.

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Speaker 1: Working class family, state school education. He pulled himself up

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Speaker 1: by his proverbial bootstraps. This kid, twenty six year old Luigi,

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Speaker 1: is the definition of white privilege. Went to Gilman High

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Speaker 1: School forty thousand dollars a year. It's the elite prep

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Speaker 1: school of Baltimore, double ivy League degrees. Family is very wealthy,

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Speaker 1: isn't it interesting when the white privilege mantra is just

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Speaker 1: completely abandoned. This guy is the definition of white privilege,

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Speaker 1: and I would argue defending him is a furtherance of

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Speaker 1: his entire life where everything has been set out for him.

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Speaker 3: Well, I can tell you from years of being in

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Speaker 3: the CIA's kind of terrorism center play and having access

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Speaker 3: to the literature and the training that they give analysts,

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Speaker 3: poverty does not cause radicalism. And if you look historically,

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Speaker 3: it is often the case that the most extreme radicals

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Speaker 3: in Alswaheri a doctor. A lot of terrorists running around

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Speaker 3: with the with the nom de guerre of the engineer

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Speaker 3: because they studied engineering because that's very popular in the

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Speaker 3: Middle East as a as a degree. So I'm just saying,

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Speaker 3: you know, this is also a reminder for people that

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Speaker 3: it is the progressive elites in a society who can

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Speaker 3: often be the most radical and the ones who are

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Speaker 3: most willing to kick at the load bearing walls of civilization,

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Speaker 3: no doubt.

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Speaker 1: And one of the reasons why is because they have

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Speaker 1: the intellectual ability and also they're well educated in some sense.

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Speaker 1: But more importantly, they have the financial wherewithal to not

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Speaker 1: can sit around and focus on things, and.

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Speaker 3: They're disconnected from I mean, there's the there's a dangerous

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Speaker 9: Bringing the Luigian his eyebrows And as a natural born female,

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Speaker 9: I have to admit, Yeah, the kid's pretty cute. That

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Speaker 9: doesn't mean that when somebody is attractive that if they

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Speaker 3: So well, yes, personality matters, and being an assassin and

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Speaker 3: a psycho is clearly a downer on the dating scene.

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Speaker 3: But yes, do you think women would be more likely

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Speaker 3: to find him not guilty if you were his defense attorney?

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Speaker 2: Would you try to get as many women on the

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 9: Of course, I think a smart lawyer would definitely go

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Speaker 9: fingerprints and what have you. So I think they'll get him.

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Speaker 2: I think so.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's on video theoretically committing the crime Sandy

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Speaker 1: and California. You got a beef to pick with me

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Speaker 1: you could pick a beefy you could, I don't know.

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Speaker 7: I don't know if the screener was referring to my

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Speaker 7: maybe I shouldn't judge, but I don't find anything attractive

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Speaker 1: I think Kamala is an awful politician, but I think

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Speaker 1: think she used to be really good looking. Did I

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Speaker 1: just blow just blow Sey's mind? Did she just hang

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Speaker 1: up on the spot She was calling in to tell

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Speaker 1: us Luigi was good looking, but that I couldn't be

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Speaker 1: trusted because I said Kablo was good looking.

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Speaker 2: But I just I need to know. I mean, who

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Speaker 2: is better looking, Luigi or Mario Mario, I mean Mario,

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Speaker 2: would the original active, he's the O G.

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Speaker 1: I think, yeah, yeah, I think. I don't think there's

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Speaker 1: any doubt would we come back. A lot of people,

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Speaker 1: By the way, we could have some fun with this.

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Speaker 1: During the course of the show Buck, a lot of

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Speaker 1: people fired up about the Harry Potter versus Star Wars

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Speaker 1: debate we got into. We'll have some fun with that,

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Speaker 1: but also serious stuff. Our two next