1 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I don't welcome to 2 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: stuff I've never told your production of iHeartRadio. My question 3 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:22,240 Speaker 1: for you today is on this lovely Earth Day, Happy 4 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: Earth Day. As for day, yes, not as you're listening 5 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: to this, it's a little late, but as for Thursday. 6 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:34,480 Speaker 1: When you were growing up, was the environment and kind 7 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 1: of environmentalism important to you. So it's really sad to say. 8 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: We definitely had Earth Day in my schools and we 9 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: talked about it. We planted trees, they gave out trees, 10 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: they gave up plants, all these things. I was really 11 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 1: excited about that. I actually came home and planted them. 12 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: But as I've said on this show many at times 13 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: into your face, I killed plants. Yes, I even said 14 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: on the Daily's Eye guys that think they're overrated, because 15 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: I'm so bitter about the fact that I'm not good 16 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: with plants. Oh. So it's like a reflection back onto you. 17 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: It really is, it really is. But I've never been 18 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: big into any of that stuff. I think part of 19 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:17,039 Speaker 1: that is because growing up in a very small town, 20 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:20,960 Speaker 1: you don't really have the opportunities to practice these things. 21 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: So recycling wasn't available our trash. We didn't have people 22 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: come pick up trash, not that that's any better, but 23 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 1: it was bad enough that we burned trash in the back. 24 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: Every week we had a burdened trash pile, and I 25 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 1: think back gone down, like, man, this is really bad. 26 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 1: This is really bad, like trying to realize what we 27 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: were doing. But you had to do what you had 28 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:44,759 Speaker 1: to do, especially again in our area. And not only 29 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: am I in a small town so a rural area, 30 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: I'm outside of the town. Like I literally say the 31 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: words I'm going into town, because that was something that 32 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 1: we did. And then when I came into when I 33 00:01:57,160 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: went to college, and people were like, you're going to town, 34 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: You're in town, Like they didn't understand what I was saying. 35 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: They weren't making fun of me, but that's how far 36 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:08,920 Speaker 1: away and far removed I was growing up. So of 37 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: course recycling was not in my purview at all. Everything 38 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 1: was about convenience. And you know, I think you and 39 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: I have talked about the fact we've had a couple 40 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 1: of ads for like paper plates, and somebody was really 41 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: upset and I get that, but at the same time, 42 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 1: like you didn't grow up in a small town environment. 43 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: Four kids with additional other kids, where my mother was 44 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: trying not to lose her mind, trying to take care 45 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 1: of us, cooking us mills and making affordability so you 46 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: had access to whatever was the most convenient so you 47 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: could survive. Essentially her for her own like mental health, 48 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: she had to get this done. And so as much 49 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: as I hate some of these things. And of course 50 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:49,799 Speaker 1: now that I live in Atlanta, live by myself and 51 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 1: growing up and understanding the cost to the environment, why 52 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: you know, we need to be aware of that. It 53 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: wasn't so much that it was a priority to us. 54 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 1: So and even now I still have to go back 55 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:06,359 Speaker 1: and forth and they're like, Okay, I feel like it's 56 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: made so difficult because there are things that you think 57 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 1: that you can recycle that you don't have access to recycle. 58 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 1: And Atlanta, you're the one who told us, you know, 59 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 1: you can't recycle glass, right, They're like, what, oh no, 60 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:20,919 Speaker 1: So that means the entire time that I've been sending 61 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: out things to be recycled, that just dumped off all 62 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: of our stuff because if the glass in there, thinking 63 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 1: it couldn't be recycled. Yeah, I mean that conversation the 64 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: recycling conversation. I am frequently a kill joy in that 65 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: one because I've done that to other friends. And that's 66 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: actually one of my favorite drunken stories I have is 67 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: I was telling a friend of mine and we were 68 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 1: at a party at a cabin and I was saying, 69 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: you know, you can't recycle any of this because you 70 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: didn't really wash it. It's not clean, right, and they're 71 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: just going to throw it out. And the next morning 72 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: I opened the dishwasher and there's all these like plastic 73 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: like spainters in there. Can put them in there. This 74 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: is not Yeah, but that's also the other part to 75 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: that is and and ignorance is not an excuse, but 76 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: we really don't understand the levels of what we're doing. 77 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: But of course we've learned, hey, turn off the water, 78 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: don't waste water, do this, take a shorter shower, you know, 79 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: all those things we've learned about the awfulness of plastic. 80 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: We've learned about the little rings off of the cookes 81 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: and soda that we've now like, oh these kill fish. Okay, 82 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: my bad stuff like that that you're you're later learned 83 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: that this is not a good thing. The single serving 84 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,840 Speaker 1: stuff not the best way to go you gave us 85 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 1: a soda stream. I love it, But we were because 86 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: we were throwing out so many illuminum cans, and of 87 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: course those are a little more recyclable, accessible to recycling. 88 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:52,840 Speaker 1: But like realizing, oh, this probably is a better option 89 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: than doing this stuff like that, It's definitely something that 90 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 1: we need to be conscientious of. But again, a lot 91 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 1: of that is also privilege. Even though it shouldn't be 92 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 1: all these things that this should be in practice, I 93 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 1: have a lot of privilege tied to it. Oh absolutely. So. 94 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: My dad was huge, like huge into the environment, very 95 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 1: big environmentalist. That it's one of the things like anytime 96 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 1: I see something about like conserving this or conserving that, 97 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: I think of him because that was like his one 98 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: of his things. And that's why we lived in Alaska 99 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 1: for a while because he wanted to be in the wilderness. 100 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 1: And that's actually why we ended up moving to Delonaga 101 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: because it was a compromise between him and my mom 102 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: about she wanted to be closer to her family. He 103 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:41,119 Speaker 1: wanted somewhere that still felt like he was in nature 104 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 1: and then where you could see mountains and so growing 105 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 1: up I had a very like those rules, if you 106 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: can't leave the water on for this long. You can't 107 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 1: leave the refrigerator open. All these things that have sort 108 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 1: of translated into my adult life that I do annoy 109 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: my friends about. And it was a huge part of 110 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: growing up for me and something very important. And actually 111 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: I recently I have this list of terrifying children's movies 112 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,280 Speaker 1: that I occasionally watch over again. Most of those were 113 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: introduced by my dad, who also loved movies, and I 114 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 1: tell you, most of them are about the environment. Most 115 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: of them are about environmental damage humans are causing to animals. 116 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,799 Speaker 1: So wait, is one of them? Fern Gully. Fern Gully 117 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 1: was on there, but I rewatched it. It is not scary. 118 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 1: It did scare me as a child, but now I'm like, well, 119 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: Tim Curry is singing and this is the best. But 120 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: I'm not afraid. It's so nineties. I don't know if 121 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: you've seen it recently, it's no. Oh no, I don't 122 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: watch animated stuff much anyways, but yeah, that's that was 123 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: a long long time ago for me. So oh, it's great. 124 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: I found it interesting because you and I come from 125 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: a very different perspective of that, especially when it comes 126 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 1: to environment, and I'm like, man, you and I may 127 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: make the perfect person. I've often said, if we could transform, 128 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 1: we would balance each other out. It's true, it's true, yeah, 129 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: but it was important. I studied in college sustainability and 130 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: I went one of my first international trips whereas I 131 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 1: was learning about the environment in Australia, and that was 132 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 1: a very complicated thing. But it has been and is 133 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: something that is very important to me, and I think increasingly, 134 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: as more and more intention and concern around climate change 135 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: comes to the world, we are thinking about it. And yes, 136 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: there are very much issues of accessibility and privilege there. 137 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: But all that being said, we did want to talk 138 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: about women in the environment because there's a lot of 139 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: things we could talk about there, and a lot of 140 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: things are coming out right now because President Biden is 141 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: the climate change summit that he is leading his underway 142 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: right now as we record. So right before we came in, 143 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: I was seeing notices of like they're talking about this, 144 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 1: and they're talking about this. So there's that, and then 145 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: some of the stuff we're going to discuss in this episode. 146 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: We talked about in our episode it Ain't Easy Being Green, 147 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: where we talked about how toxic masculinity ruins everything, even 148 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: caring about the environments. Or you can also check out 149 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: the female first we did on one Gari Mutamatai, who 150 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: was really big person, an inspiring person when it comes 151 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: to environmentalism. Right, definitely a good episode. So let's get 152 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:36,679 Speaker 1: into the what if our conversation. Women have a long 153 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: history of being leaders when it comes to environmentalism, a 154 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 1: history that carries over to this day, from Rachel Carson 155 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 1: to one Gary Mutomatai, to Marina Silva, to Peggy Shepherd 156 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: to aoc to great at Thunberg and so many more. Yes, 157 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 1: we've seen a lot of young activists coming out and 158 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: love love that, and this is a space where we 159 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: see all kinds of intersections class, race, gender and since 160 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: women and even or so women of color are impacted 161 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 1: by environmental issues, think of things like the water in Flint, Michigan. 162 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:09,559 Speaker 1: Yes we do have you know miss Flint, who is 163 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 1: still very active and actually if you go look at 164 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: her Twitter right now, she is trying to raise money 165 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: to get more filters water filters, because that's still a problem, 166 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: and that's still a thing which is absurd, which disproportionately 167 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 1: impacted families of color as in fact, they got like 168 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 1: a little bit of a window of all the protests 169 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 1: and how bad it was going and then disappeared, and 170 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: it's still a problem there. Or the fact that women 171 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 1: are around the world are largely responsible for the collection 172 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 1: of water, which cuts into time and education, and it's 173 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: also frequently unsafe. And we've definitely had discussions about the 174 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:44,680 Speaker 1: war and the battles that happen over claiming over water, 175 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 1: as in fact is even an issue that is back 176 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: and forth argument between Florida and Georgia, like we've seen 177 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 1: that happen, of course, not to the level that is 178 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,839 Speaker 1: really really dangerous out into the other areas of the world. 179 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: Companies and society at law don't care about impoverished areas 180 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: usually populated by women, children, and yes, particularly women and 181 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: children of color. And that the pandemic has not helped 182 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: at all in this issue either, and that leads to 183 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: an unhealthy and often unsafe environments that have a greater 184 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: impact on women. At the same time, they're often excluded. 185 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 1: And we've talked about this before from high level policy 186 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 1: discussions and decisions. Yeah, so, according to the UN, women 187 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: hold only twelve percent of top positions in environment related sectors. 188 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:31,559 Speaker 1: On top of that, women account for only about fourteen 189 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 1: percent of land ownership worldwide, and some estimates put it 190 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: way lower, like single digit lower, and that excuse them 191 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:42,319 Speaker 1: from decisions around land management. In some areas, working the 192 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:44,319 Speaker 1: land or selling timber or one of the few ways 193 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: women can make a living. Indigenous women often have more 194 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: knowledge about the uses of plants and how best to 195 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: make them stretch and what to turn to during times 196 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: of scarcity. So it's sort of this knowledge of the land, 197 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: but they are not being allowed to own it or 198 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 1: make decisions around it. And though we have made a 199 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 1: lot of strides, women still shoulder more responsibility when it 200 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: comes to domesticity, the home and child care, the environment 201 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: you're in touches all of that. Also, caring about something 202 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: in general has been feminized, something we've also talked about 203 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: a lot. The planet itself is called Mother Earth, and 204 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: we have painted caring for it as women's work. In fact, 205 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 1: I did not know this, but President Theodore Roosevelt, famous 206 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 1: American conservationist, was ridiculed for being feminine over his environmentalists policies. 207 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: It was like cartoons of him, like wearing an apron 208 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 1: self sarch, very very much so. And it totally. I 209 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: will say, do have a lot of younger male friends 210 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: that care about the environment A lot. I don't. I 211 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 1: can't necessarily speak to the actions behind the words, but 212 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 1: they seem to care about a lot my younger brother wow, 213 00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: and I feel in older generations though again in my experience, 214 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 1: most of the men who cared about it, they cared 215 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: about it in the sense of hunting, of being able 216 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 1: to hunt, or quote like being left alone on their land, 217 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: you know very much. Not my dad, though he cared. 218 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: He legit cared about the environment. But I just have 219 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:23,959 Speaker 1: a lot of like other references of men sort of 220 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 1: being like I just want to be able to hunt 221 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: and be left alone. They wanted to sustain their own land, 222 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: but not necessarily caring about the environment exactly. Younger folks 223 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: are more likely to be environmentally conscious and to rate 224 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 1: climate change as a priority issue. Yes, and organizations have 225 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:46,199 Speaker 1: started officially recognizing the importance of women when it comes 226 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 1: to the environment. Hey may help also that we actually 227 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 1: have a secretary dem Holland, who was an Indigenous woman 228 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: coming and talking about some of these issues and bring 229 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 1: it to the front. Yay. And at the nineteen ninety 230 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: five Fourth World Conference on Women and the Environment was 231 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: pinpointed as one of the twelve key areas in the 232 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: Beijing Declaration and Platform for Action. This platform made three 233 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 1: recommendations towards the end quote, involving women actively in an 234 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: environmental decision making at all levels, integrating their concerns and 235 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: perspectives and policies and programs, and establishing ways to access 236 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 1: the impact of development and environmental policies on women. In 237 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: the twenty eighteen fourteenth meeting of the Conference of the 238 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 1: Parties to the CBD, it was agreed that gender responsiveness 239 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 1: should be involved in the development of biodiversity frameworks. To 240 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: achieve this, U and Women and unep WCMC identified three 241 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: main objectives. Equal opportunities for leadership, decision making and effective 242 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:46,199 Speaker 1: engagement at all levels. Equal access ownership and control over 243 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 1: biological resources. And equal access to benefits from biodiversity conservation 244 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:56,199 Speaker 1: and sustainable use and from the utilization of genetic resources. 245 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 1: If you're interested in any of this, because I know 246 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:04,199 Speaker 1: it can sound pretty dents, you can find the statements 247 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: that the UN has released about it, and it is 248 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: interesting how they unpack some things that you might not 249 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: expect to show up in a paper about environmentalism like 250 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 1: reproductive rights, right, so I recommend it. And we've talked 251 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 1: a lot about the fact that environmental issues as a 252 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 1: feminist issue, so yeah, but that's a whole different conversation. 253 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: But yeah, so let's discuss consumerism for a second. Okay, 254 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: here we go. There are, of course, a specific consumer 255 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: habits and choices that are specific to women. We've talked 256 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 1: about these a lot. We've spoken about how women are 257 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 1: more likely to recycle and use reusable bags and the 258 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: added workload of that. But on the other side of that, 259 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 1: there are considerations to make around products like cosmetics or 260 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: minstrel items when it comes to environmental impact. And on 261 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 1: top of that, in heteronormative households, women do more domestic 262 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: work and part of that is shopping and cleaning and 263 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 1: choices that carry on environmental weight as well. Yes, and 264 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 1: as being environmentally friendly becomes increasingly important to consumers, companies 265 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 1: have adapted to that, offering options like reusable pads or 266 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 1: minchitel cups. It's easier to find eco friendly cosmetics, and 267 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: I have a couple of friends that that's very important 268 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: to them, and they're choosing their cosmetics and eco friendly 269 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: branding is being targeted largely towards women. This is what 270 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: we talked about in our it Ain't Easy Being Green 271 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: episode and how men don't always do their part because 272 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: they're afraid of being perceived as a feminine or gay. 273 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: Other researchers found that misogyny plays a role in climate 274 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: change denial, and that men in general are more likely 275 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: to listen to arguments about the environment that didn't include 276 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: quote feminine attributes like caring. Yeah, I wouldn't like caring. 277 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: I wonder if this also includes like, are these same 278 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: people on the same line as the flat arthurs. I 279 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: don't know. It just seems like it would go hand 280 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: and nana with climate change deniers. That article was interesting 281 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: just to hear scientists kind of break down how they 282 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 1: have to talk to men about it. But according to 283 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: the pretty short blur, but I remember they were saying, 284 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: if you're talking to a group of men, it's better 285 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: to not include anything about like responsibility or caring and 286 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: much more science based. Right now, this is the impact 287 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: teaching them in the language of like, well, actually, yeah, 288 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: I was a science course that's said yes, yes, Well 289 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 1: it gets worse, Samantha, because some research suggests there's a 290 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: relationship between gender inequality and high levels of environmental degradation. 291 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 1: Other studies have found that governments with more women in 292 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 1: them are more likely to enact environmental policies, and that 293 00:16:56,280 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: strengthening are allowing for women's ownership of land increases soil management, 294 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: tree planting, and other sustainable efforts. Links have also been 295 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 1: found between gender based violence and the environment when it 296 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: comes to things like control of scarce resources or just 297 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:15,399 Speaker 1: land and child marriages in exchange for these resources and 298 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 1: one less mouth to feed, for example, or women being 299 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:23,880 Speaker 1: coerced in two sex in exchange for scarce resources. These 300 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: studies have driven home the importance of the environment when 301 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:30,639 Speaker 1: it comes to creating safe public spaces for women right 302 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 1: and all these together creates what experts called an eco 303 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 1: gender gap that places that responsibility of sustainability on women. 304 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: Recent research into this suggests that in general, women are 305 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: more future focus than men, and they also typically display 306 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: higher levels of altruism, empathy, caring, and socialization towards being responsible, 307 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: all of which influences thoughts and feelings towards our environment 308 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:57,159 Speaker 1: and taking care of it. Yes, and obviously you know 309 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: this research is broad strokes and pretty binary. But this, 310 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 1: I mean, that's what it found in general, is that 311 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:07,359 Speaker 1: and we've talked we talked about that, and then we 312 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 1: gari we're timatai episode of being like thinking about future 313 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 1: generations and that being important to women involved in environmentalism, 314 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: which does mean thinking outside of yourself and something that 315 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 1: creating something you might not necessarily get to enjoy or 316 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 1: be around for. Right, But let's not forget at the 317 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:32,959 Speaker 1: end of the day, as important as these individual choices 318 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: are and having these conversations are, we need to be 319 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 1: pressuring companies and governments to change. It is not our 320 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 1: responsibility alone to protect the environment when especially big companies 321 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:45,879 Speaker 1: are the ones that are having the greatest impact. So 322 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: definitely these individual choices taking care of the environment fantastic, 323 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: but it's one of those instances where companies especially have 324 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 1: largely been like it's on you, you need to recycle 325 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 1: this bottle. And then right, well, also when we talk about, 326 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: you know, holding our representatives and people responsible in these 327 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:14,679 Speaker 1: decisions that we get with all these big contracts, especially 328 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 1: when it comes to landownership and what they're doing on 329 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: these lands and what they're doing to our resources and 330 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 1: how they are really damaging a lot of things for 331 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: our present time as well as for the future. And 332 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:33,239 Speaker 1: that again with capitalism, the whole basis of doesn't make 333 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:35,680 Speaker 1: us money versus doesn't hurt the world. It does seem 334 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 1: to combat with one another, and people are picking size 335 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: and we have to be careful and watched to see 336 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 1: who who picks what side. Yes, yes, yes, yes, we 337 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 1: did want to highlights some women doing amazing work for 338 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: the environment or who have done amazing work for the environment. 339 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 1: But first we're going to pause for crypt brick for 340 00:19:54,240 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: word from responsor and we're back, Thank you, sponsor, and 341 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: we're back with a fun disclaimer. Oh yeah, yes, So 342 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:18,640 Speaker 1: we're just doing short bios on these women that could 343 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:21,120 Speaker 1: be expounded into whole episodes, and as always, if you're 344 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: interested in that, listeners, please let us know that being said, 345 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: we're highlighting their environmental achievements, but their records aren't perfect, 346 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 1: you know, no one's is, and we don't agree with 347 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,680 Speaker 1: every stance they've taken. And some of the things we 348 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: could unpack, and I'm specifically thinking of non GMO movement 349 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 1: would be really interesting about I think it's too complex 350 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: for what we're doing right now. But just to put 351 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: that out there right, right, So let's talk about Vandanna Shiva. 352 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: From a young age of Vandonna Scheva was raised to 353 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: care about her environment and she funneled that passion into 354 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 1: our studies. So she earned a PhD in full phlosophy 355 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 1: and physics. Wow, those are two very broad subjects and 356 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 1: went to study environmental policies among other things. And her 357 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 1: areas of specialty included agricultural biodiversity, food technology, and the 358 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:15,120 Speaker 1: intersection of human rights, which yeah, they go ah hand 359 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: in hand, honestly. In nineteen ninety one, she launched a 360 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 1: movement called Neadonia to quote protect diversity and integrity of 361 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 1: living resources, especially native seed, the promotion of organic farming 362 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 1: and fair trade. A part of this has been providing 363 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 1: resources and education to people throughout India. Shiva has also 364 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: written a lot about the link between environmental issues and 365 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: women's rights, including a paper called most farmers in India 366 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:42,159 Speaker 1: are Women And she has helped and supported grassroots organizations 367 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 1: and indigenous people around the world. Yeah, and I thought, 368 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: especially in light of the farmers protests in India, that's 369 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 1: really interesting. And she's also writing about not even most 370 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 1: farmers in India women. She's also been pretty vocal about 371 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: how she thinks most farmers in the world are women, 372 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: right in terms of like if you're if you take 373 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 1: away the kind of capitalism aspect, who is doing the 374 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: growing and making sure the nourishment of people of families? Right? 375 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 1: I mean I could go hand in hand with the 376 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 1: old idea of the hunter and the gatherer and what 377 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:19,680 Speaker 1: was given to whom? Yeah? Yeah, So next let's talk 378 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 1: about the ocean ocean, yes, and the quote sturge in 379 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 1: general or her deepness the quote living legend that Yeah. 380 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: Sylvia Earl. Earl earned her PhD in the study of 381 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 1: algae in nineteen sixty six. She spent a lot of 382 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 1: time underwater. In nineteen eighty six, she tied the record 383 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: first solo deep dive, the first woman to accomplish that feat, 384 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: and she's logged over seven thousand hours underwater. On top 385 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 1: of that, she founded a business dedicated to improving tech 386 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 1: around underseas robotics and piloting, called Deep Ocean Engineering. In 387 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety eight, she received Time magazine's first ever Hero 388 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 1: for the Planet designation, and in twenty fourteen she was 389 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: named the United Nations Champion of the Earth. She's won 390 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 1: a bunch of awards. Those are two that stood out. 391 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 1: She was the first woman to serve as the Chief 392 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 1: Scientist for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Association, or in OAA. 393 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,399 Speaker 1: And she was the chair of Google Earth's Advisory Counsel 394 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 1: for the ocean as an Export on Oils bill. She's 395 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 1: provided counsel and some of the most high profile cases 396 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 1: of that. She's also been instrumental in oceanic e marine preservation. 397 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: Most recently, she has worked as the president and chairwoman 398 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: of Mission Blue, where she has been developing a biodiverse 399 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:45,120 Speaker 1: network of protected marine areas called Hope Spots. It's really cool, 400 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,679 Speaker 1: like there's pictures of it, like four old and stuff. 401 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 1: Her story is really cool and we could have. Yeah, 402 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 1: definitely a whole episode's worth there, But I recommend checking 403 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 1: her out for sure. I'm guessing she's kind of like 404 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:58,159 Speaker 1: one of those that people like, see I want to 405 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 1: be that when they're talking about morning biology, because she 406 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: seems to live that life. Yeah. Yeah, So let's talk 407 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 1: about Rosalie Edge. Rosalie Edge grew up wealthy in New 408 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,159 Speaker 1: York City and as a young woman was a fierce suffragist. 409 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 1: With the passage of the nineteenth Amendment, she set her 410 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 1: sights on gender and justice taking place at the National 411 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 1: Audubon Society, a society for birds if you're unclear. Edge 412 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: managed to out the corrupt directors of the organization, and 413 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: this was a big deal. She'd become fed up with 414 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: the mainstream, male dominated environmentalism, influenced by timber corporations and 415 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 1: trophy hunters and ranchers and pesticide developed birds and things 416 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 1: like that. And yeah, they would be the big bad 417 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 1: of the Audibon Society, I would think. Who knows? Her 418 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 1: work really changed the landscape of environmentalism in this country. 419 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 1: She created the Emergency Conservation Committee, which she used to 420 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:53,159 Speaker 1: preserve eight thousand acres of sugar pines in Yosemite, Thank You, 421 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: and made way for the founding of two national parks, 422 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: Olympic National Parks and Kings Canyon. She stepped in after 423 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 1: a society declined to back a hawk sanctuary that she 424 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 1: was pushing for, using her own funds to create it herself. 425 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: Hawk Mountain Sanctuary the first preserved for the birds of 426 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: prey in the world, and she ran the statuary for 427 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 1: the rest of her life. And change who an activists 428 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: looked like in what they could do. She spoke out 429 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 1: about the dangers of DDT fourteen years before Rachel Carson's 430 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 1: Silent Spring. A nineteen forty eight magazine called her the 431 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 1: most honest, unselfish, indomitable hellcat in the history of conservation. Yeah. 432 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 1: I want that title. I want to be the indomitable hellcat. 433 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 1: That's an awesome title. Right. So she with this Audubon Society. 434 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 1: She heard that, among other things, they were allowing people 435 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,920 Speaker 1: to hunt and trap birds. Yeah on this, and she 436 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 1: showed up and used the things she learned being a 437 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: suffragist and like asked these really tough questions and then 438 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 1: managed to get her hands on the mailing list of 439 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: all the members and send out these flyers like you 440 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,639 Speaker 1: know what they're doing up there? Yeah? Yeah, there was 441 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 1: a movie. Yeah, based on this, they would be the 442 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 1: big bad and she would be the superhero. For Yes, 443 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: I love it. I love it so much. We do 444 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: have a couple more women we want to talk about. 445 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 1: At first, we have one more group break forward from 446 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 1: our sponsor and we're back. Thank you sponsored, And we're 447 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 1: back with Marina Silva, who was born on a rubber 448 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: plantation in the Amazon in Brazil. She was illiterate until 449 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: the age of sixteen, but then she went on to 450 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: get a history degree. This was after she had a 451 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,399 Speaker 1: pretty severe bout, a couple of severe abouts of illness, 452 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 1: and a lot of tragedy in her family. In the 453 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 1: nineteen eighties, she helped found Brazil's independent trade union movement 454 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:58,400 Speaker 1: and participated in peaceful demonstrations with other forest dwellers against deforestation, 455 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 1: not only for the harm it did the environment, but 456 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 1: also to indigenous communities that lived in those forests. She 457 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 1: became the country's youngest senator after her election in nineteen 458 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: ninety four. From two thousand and three to two thousand 459 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 1: and eight, she acted as Brazil's environmental minister and ran 460 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,880 Speaker 1: for president a handful of times, once as a representative 461 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,159 Speaker 1: of the Green Party, and she didn't win, but she 462 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 1: got close. Like she was in the top three. She 463 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,159 Speaker 1: was and is very active in anti deforestation efforts and 464 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: in preserving the Amazon. As of now, she is the 465 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 1: acting spokesperson and leader of the Sustainability Party. For her 466 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,479 Speaker 1: work with the environment, she has been nominated and won 467 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 1: several awards, including the United Nations Environmental Program naming her 468 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 1: one of the Champions of the Earth. The topic of 469 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 1: deforestation in Brazil is a hot topic to this day. 470 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 1: In twenty nineteen, those were those devastating fires in the Amazon, 471 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,639 Speaker 1: and Silva continues to speak out against government policies and 472 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 1: actions that are bad for the environment. And as we 473 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 1: sat at the top with the President Biden's Climate summit 474 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:04,400 Speaker 1: happening right now, I got a news item right before 475 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,399 Speaker 1: I came in about her talking about this and about 476 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,879 Speaker 1: what the Brazilian government has been doing or not doing 477 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 1: in terms of the environment. All right, So, Peggy Shepherd, 478 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,120 Speaker 1: who has been active in environmental justice since the nineteen eighties. 479 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 1: As part of this, she co founded and serves as 480 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 1: the executive director for we Act for Environmental Justice, a 481 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 1: nonprofit based in New York. She started out as a journalist, 482 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 1: writing for Black Enterprise magazine and writing speeches for politicians, 483 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 1: and Shepherd was very involved in politics, particularly involving the 484 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 1: intersection of environmental issues and communities of people of color. 485 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 1: She was once arrested for protesting the leakage of a 486 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 1: sewage system in a nearby river, and well just last 487 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 1: year in twenty twenty, she was appointed to New York's 488 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 1: Environmental Justice Advisory Board, and in twenty twenty one, she 489 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 1: was appointed to the White House Environmental Justice Advisory Council. 490 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: And not only that, she also acts as a trustee 491 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,160 Speaker 1: for the Environmental Defense Fund and holds a position on 492 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 1: the executive committee of the National Black Environmental Justice Network. Yes, yes, 493 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 1: she's doing a lot. I know everyone on here. I'm 494 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: telling you, I think we do a whole episodes on 495 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 1: everybody on here. They're all doing amazing stuff. Let's finish 496 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 1: out this list with joe An Tall. She's a member 497 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 1: of the Oglala Lakota in South Dakota, and beginning in 498 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 1: the seventies, she became really active in preserving the land there. 499 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 1: She protested uranium mining in the area and the potential 500 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 1: of nuclear testing in the Black Hills. For her work, 501 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 1: she has won awards and recognition, and she went on 502 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 1: to co found a think tank focused on public health 503 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 1: and land issues called Native Resource Coalition. Over the years, 504 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 1: she has continued to be outspoken about environmental issues and 505 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 1: fight for environmental justice, especially for her indigenous community. So 506 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: these are some amazing women that show that, yes, women 507 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 1: have been in our doing this work around environmentalism. And 508 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 1: also these intersections of that, because I do think that 509 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 1: when it comes to sort of the corporate mainstream green 510 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 1: earth packaging, you can forget all of the things that 511 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 1: the environment touches and all the intersections there. And so 512 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 1: I'd love I'm so inspired by what these women are 513 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 1: doing right and yeah, and just to be able to 514 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 1: celebrate HM at the same time, I'm sure they're exhausted. 515 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 1: No work never ends, that's for sure. Ever, Well, listeners, 516 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 1: if there's anyone we missed, or if you would like 517 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: us to expand any of these bios out until full episode, 518 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,719 Speaker 1: let us know. You can email us at stuff Edia, 519 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 1: mom Stuff at iHeart Meeta dot com. You can find 520 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 1: us on Instagram at stuff I've Never Told You or 521 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 1: on Twitter at mom Stuff Podcast. Thanks as always too 522 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 1: our super producer Christina. Thank you Christina, and thanks to 523 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 1: you for listening. 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