Speaker 1: This Cassidy.
Speaker 2: Say something, Bobby, say something, Bobby. Welcome to football today.
Speaker 2: I am your host, Bobby Skinner here with my co
Speaker 2: host Justin Pennick. And guess what the Atlanta Falcons Cousins
Speaker 2: out Pennix then Justin, Uh, we're want to hit this
Speaker 2: from a lot of angles.
Speaker 1: How are we doing?
Speaker 3: I'm good, Bobby Skinner. To get all the questions out
Speaker 3: of the way. Michael Pennix and I were not related.
Speaker 3: I asked him down at the Senior Bowl down a
Speaker 3: mobile inter We interviewed him a couple of months ago.
Speaker 3: We may talk about that a little bit. Down at
Speaker 3: the Senior Ball. I asked him, do you think we're related?
Speaker 3: He said, I don't know, maybe, but I'm rolling it out.
Speaker 3: We're not related.
Speaker 1: How are you Have you done the twenty three in me?
Speaker 3: I have didn't?
Speaker 1: They came back negative.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So the Falcons have bench Kirk Cousins. They absolute
Speaker 2: had to do this right. Justin, I mean, Cousins is
Speaker 2: just done. You know, maybe after another extra year rehab
Speaker 2: he can get back to being better than what he
Speaker 2: is right now. I don't think this was like Matt
Speaker 2: Ryan level of bad with the Colts or even at
Speaker 2: the end with the Falcons or like Peyton at the
Speaker 2: end with the Broncos. But Peyton obviously has the superior
Speaker 2: mind where he was able to get by in those playoffs.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's that level justin. But it was
Speaker 2: just like he he can't push off, right, he can't
Speaker 2: throw the ball, you know, the way that he wants
Speaker 2: to write, not attacking down the field. They can only
Speaker 2: run play action out of pistol. Like just couldn't do
Speaker 2: all the things that kirk Cousins had done well in
Speaker 2: his career. Like if this was this isn't just like, oh,
Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins, this is who he is, Like, this is
Speaker 2: not who Kirk Cousins has been. You know, if they
Speaker 2: got Minnesota version of him last year, you know, like
Speaker 2: health wise, then they're definitely not making this move. But
Speaker 2: kirk Cousins forced their hand one touchdown, nine interceptions in
Speaker 2: the last five games and one in four with you know,
Speaker 2: in the win was an escaping win against the Raiders.
Speaker 2: They basically probably threw away the division already. You know,
Speaker 2: they're they're one game back of the Bucks now they
Speaker 2: have the tiebreaker for the Bucks, but the Falcons have
Speaker 2: the Giants, Commanders Panthers, and the Bucks have Cowboys, Panthers, Saint,
Speaker 2: so the Bucks do have an easier schedule going ahead.
Speaker 2: Now all they need is the Bucks to lose one
Speaker 2: game and the Falcons to win three winnable games. But
Speaker 2: it may be too little, too late, but this just
Speaker 2: had to happen.
Speaker 1: For the Falcons at this point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I guess we'll touch on first why the
Speaker 3: Falcons needed to make this change, and then I even
Speaker 3: want to ask you then we'll move to full on.
Speaker 3: Michael Pennix, does this change the you know how you
Speaker 3: feel about the draft, pick et cetera, et cetera. But
Speaker 3: why the Falcons needed to make this change? Man? You
Speaker 3: talked about them operating out of the pistol thirty six
Speaker 3: and a half percent of their snaps this year. That's
Speaker 3: the fourth highest in the NFL that they've been operating
Speaker 3: out of the pistol. And we're going to talk maybe
Speaker 3: a good amount, a good amount about the Big Bay
Speaker 3: branch of offense. That's what Zach Robinson is a kind
Speaker 3: of off that Sean McVay branch. I am sure that
Speaker 3: this offense wants to operate under center and utilize play
Speaker 3: action and we see what they're doing with these outside
Speaker 3: zone runs with Jon Robinson. You can't do that with
Speaker 3: Kirk Cousins's inability to move this year. And I think
Speaker 3: that's probably something that I don't know when Cousins kind
Speaker 3: of fully came back it started to practice, but I'm
Speaker 3: sure that's something that maybe the team was shocked by that,
Speaker 3: Oh shit, we're not going to be able to run
Speaker 3: the offense that maybe we fully want this year because
Speaker 3: we have a quarterback that legitimately can't move. Cousins not
Speaker 3: being able to move and take play action rollouts, it's
Speaker 3: taken play action rollouts completely out of the offense. Forget
Speaker 3: even the outside zone stuff. Only eleven outs like play
Speaker 3: action rollouts this year for Kirk Cousins. That's the lowest
Speaker 3: the team has had since twenty seventeen Big Ben, who
Speaker 3: also couldn't move. You know, Kirk Cousins has also been
Speaker 3: like demand in play action, but it's just been totally
Speaker 3: taken away from this offense because he can't move. And
Speaker 3: he even saw against the Raider game and our producer
Speaker 3: Connor was talking to him on the way in today.
Speaker 3: He's a Raider fan, was watching that game and Kirk
Speaker 3: Cousins on these outside zones can't even get the ball
Speaker 3: out there to these running backs when they're operating out
Speaker 3: of pistol, so it's even tough for him to get
Speaker 3: the ball out there. So there's a lot of other
Speaker 3: reasons why, you know, Kirk Cousins not being able to
Speaker 3: use his legs of driving the ball in. He is
Speaker 3: the fourth highest tight window throw rate this year. I
Speaker 3: think a lot of that has to do with the
Speaker 3: the lack of quote unquote arm strength, because he can't
Speaker 3: put his legs into a lot of these throws, and
Speaker 3: because the offense can be so predictable, predictable. So yeah,
Speaker 3: that's they they needed to make this move. And a
Speaker 3: lot of it is just because Kirk Cousins literally literally
Speaker 3: cannot move.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and again it's not because of who Kirk Cousins
Speaker 2: was in Washington or Minnesota. It's coming off of the
Speaker 2: achilles injury. He's just he's not the same. It's showed
Speaker 2: up earlier in the year and they found and again
Speaker 2: they still like have yard they still have a lot
Speaker 2: of yards, even you know, not the Falcons game, We're
Speaker 2: only at one hundred or so yards.
Speaker 1: But like even.
Speaker 2: In these higher interception games, Kirk has thrown for yards.
Speaker 2: His mind is still there, and they have the ween
Speaker 2: yards per game, and I think they have offensive the
Speaker 2: offensive play calling is is better, but it just hasn't
Speaker 2: gotten the shine because of Kirk Cousins' limitations. Like all
Speaker 2: that stuff is there. It's just I just worried that
Speaker 2: it is too. I mean, they went one in four
Speaker 2: and I understand making this decisions not easy because the
Speaker 2: investment they made into him, which we're going to talk
Speaker 2: about that when we talk about the decisions with you know,
Speaker 2: bringing in Kirk and Penix and all this, but you know,
Speaker 2: one in one touchdown, nine interceptions, and you go and
Speaker 2: watch the interceptions because interceptions can be a lying stat
Speaker 2: at times. You remember like the year Dak led to
Speaker 2: the league in interceptions a couple of years ago. It's like, okay,
Speaker 2: but he's never he's never done that before, and like
Speaker 2: five of these were tipped up and it was a
Speaker 2: low year for interceptions total in the NFL. With this,
Speaker 2: every almost every single interception was just god awful, ugly
Speaker 2: right where it's just he's popping a football up, he's
Speaker 2: throwing into triple coverage. It was just really bad stuff
Speaker 2: and you didn't have the touchdowns to go with it
Speaker 2: with the only one. I think he limited the run game,
Speaker 2: obviously limited the pass game. You just had to this
Speaker 2: justin Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like guys like Drake London are coming out of
Speaker 3: their brakes before Kirk is even set and is fully
Speaker 3: dropped before he's done with his dropback.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: So again, I don't I want to kind of get
Speaker 3: to the Michael Pennock's part of this. Let's do it
Speaker 3: now now, the.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the draft decision. How about that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's not necessarily that Michael Pennox, I feel like,
Speaker 3: is going to add this huge dynamic as a quarterback.
Speaker 3: But what he's simply going to do is he's going
Speaker 3: to open up the playbook more because he he is
Speaker 3: a capable moving quarterback. And even though he's not a
Speaker 3: mobile quarterback, he's a capable moving quarterback that I think
Speaker 3: some of the core identity things that that Atlanta Falcons
Speaker 3: offense wants to do, they're going to be able to
Speaker 3: do it a lot more now, and I think they're
Speaker 3: going to maybe be able to do it better because
Speaker 3: it's not Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're not going into it now now you know,
Speaker 2: now we're not you know, run in and gun in
Speaker 2: and we're making throws on the run and screen like
Speaker 2: that's not going to be added with Michael Penicks game,
Speaker 2: which we'll talk about. What you It's just like there
Speaker 2: were so many limitations because of the Kirk, the Kirk injury,
Speaker 2: and then we know Penix can make you know, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, basically almost almost all the throws. You know,
Speaker 2: he's got this strong arm. So do you want to
Speaker 2: talk about Michael Pennis in general as a player before
Speaker 2: we talk about the the decision to sign Kirk and
Speaker 2: then draft Michael Pennock for the Falcons.
Speaker 3: Well, let's I want to. I want to let's start
Speaker 3: at the beginning. Let's not quit and Tarantino this and
Speaker 3: work our way backwards. Let's I want to hear your
Speaker 3: thoughts because it was on this show and you had
Speaker 3: a you had a clip that did well after the
Speaker 3: draft about the decision to draft Michael Pennix. Now, obviously
Speaker 3: none none of us really knew, and obviously the Falcons
Speaker 3: didn't freaking know just how physically limited Kirk Cousins would
Speaker 3: be this year. So now that we know, and now
Speaker 3: that we agree with this decision with three games left
Speaker 3: for them to bring up Michael Penix into the mix,
Speaker 3: does that change the way that you view the draft pick, Bobby.
Speaker 2: No, because we we we talked about it in that draft.
Speaker 2: Body even talk about it on the off season, especially
Speaker 2: with some guests. Is that I think, no matter what
Speaker 2: way you paint this, the Falcons messed up somewhere along
Speaker 2: the line, and not just a little mess up, but
Speaker 2: had a major mess up because Kirk Cousins wasn't on
Speaker 2: their team. They signed Kirk Cousins, they invested in this.
Speaker 2: There's been this like media spin won by the you know,
Speaker 2: the bought for you know insiders like man, they are prepared.
Speaker 2: And then you also have the people who are just
Speaker 2: so over infatuated, like, oh, just quarterback, quarterback, quarterback, quarterback, quarterback,
Speaker 2: you know, just take take shots.
Speaker 1: Just draft for quarterback every year type of people. Those
Speaker 1: people like it.
Speaker 2: You gave Kirk Cousins a four year, one hundred eighty
Speaker 2: million dollar contract. You weren't forced to do that. You
Speaker 2: also weren't forced to pay You didn't have to do
Speaker 2: that to have Michael Pennock sit for a little bit.
Speaker 2: If that was your plan right right, Like you could
Speaker 2: have signed a different quarterback and also let Michael Pennick
Speaker 2: sit for a little bit. You know, Russell Wilson was
Speaker 2: out there, you could have made the trade for Justin Again,
Speaker 2: not guys that are that have you know have you
Speaker 2: know that are going to be killing, you know, changing
Speaker 2: the world. But at the same time, neither is Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 2: You're benching him, you know. But the difference is those
Speaker 2: guys aren't gonna cost you four hundred four years, one
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty million dollars. Now, obviously it's not all guaranteed,
Speaker 2: but it's basically a two year deal.
Speaker 1: They have a.
Speaker 2: Sixty five if they cut him, which I don't know
Speaker 2: if anyone's gonna trade for him. They have a sixty
Speaker 2: five million dollar dead cap next year, sixty five million
Speaker 2: dollar dead cap like that, That to me is they
Speaker 2: screwed up terribly on this quarterback contract, terribly. Okay, So
Speaker 2: that's why the whole Michael Pennick's like, oh, well, it
Speaker 2: may work out in the end, Like, yeah, Michael Pennix
Speaker 2: ends up good, It may work out in the end.
Speaker 2: Guess what would have worked out in the end, regardless
Speaker 2: Michael Penix.
Speaker 1: Then you didn't.
Speaker 2: Again, you were not sitting on a team that Kirk
Speaker 2: Cousin's been their QB for a long time, and they
Speaker 2: went out and signed him as a win now move
Speaker 2: and he can't win now for them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the decision to draft Michael Pennix looks better,
Speaker 3: but what looks exponentially worse is signing Kirk Cousins. Where
Speaker 3: now Kirk Cousins is going to go down in NFL
Speaker 3: history as the most expensive bridge quarterback ever. Like that,
Speaker 3: that's what this is. I don't want net now seeing
Speaker 3: what Kirk Cousins says, and this doesn't. I still think
Speaker 3: this is very bad process by the Atlanta Falcons.
Speaker 2: It is they should have just signed some use that
Speaker 2: money elsewhere, signed a bridge saying that actual bridge quarterback,
Speaker 2: and drafted Michael Pennix. Right, So again you have everyone
Speaker 2: spending it like, ah, Falcons don't look so crazy after all.
Speaker 2: It's like, yes they do. They just fucking spent They're
Speaker 2: gonna They're gonna spend ninety million dollars on a guy
Speaker 2: who started fourteen games for.
Speaker 3: Them, And now my opinion's flipped. Whereas their draft day,
Speaker 3: I'm like well, why are you drafting Michael Pennocks when
Speaker 3: you sign Kirk Cousins. Now my opinion's flipped where it's like, well,
Speaker 3: why did you sign why did you sign Kirk Cousins?
Speaker 3: And you know what mix it even worse, Bobby, is
Speaker 3: that this costed them a fifth round pick because they
Speaker 3: tampered with Kirk Cousins and over a quarter million dollars
Speaker 3: in fines, which I guarantee they don't fuck and care
Speaker 3: about the fines. But you know, this costs it up
Speaker 3: a fifth round draft pick as well because they tampered
Speaker 3: with Kirk Cousins, because they really because that's how bad
Speaker 3: they wanted to sign him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how bad they want to sign him. That
Speaker 2: he signed the minute free agency star to Justin and
Speaker 2: they didn't bring him in for a workout to see
Speaker 2: how he was doing physically.
Speaker 3: I don't even know if he was cleared.
Speaker 1: That's no, he wasn't.
Speaker 2: But still, like you could have gotten a idea somewhat
Speaker 2: of an idea, like they didn't they they couldn't have
Speaker 2: given him a physical or anything like that. Like I
Speaker 2: don't know, maybe that's a reach on my point, but
Speaker 2: just like again, like if you listen to our Draft day,
Speaker 2: you know, our first round recap pod. It's like it is,
Speaker 2: it's very stupid. It's very stupid for the Falcons to
Speaker 2: sign Kirk Cousins and then draft Michael Pennix. Okay, you
Speaker 2: do one or the other. That was always the argument
Speaker 2: against the Falcons. Do one or the other. And you're
Speaker 2: putting yourself like and at myth Kirk Cousins. You didn't
Speaker 2: tell Kirk that you were going to even think about
Speaker 2: doing this. You know he was bothered after the draft
Speaker 2: on like, you just created a mess. And you know what,
Speaker 2: if they drafted a bridge quarterback or signed an actual
Speaker 2: bridge quarterback, they would have they could have went to
Speaker 2: Michael Pennix a little earlier and maybe even gotten into
Speaker 2: the playoffs because they basically had a walk in when
Speaker 2: the Falcon and the Bucks got all injured and then
Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins has this stretch and they lose four straight games.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we knew that schedule. I mean, coming into
Speaker 3: the here, we knew that. You know, we knew this
Speaker 3: Falcon schedule was just an absolute cake walk this year.
Speaker 3: Number one, because you're playing in the NFC South, Like
Speaker 3: Number two, they did just have a kick.
Speaker 2: Now the Falcons know they screwed up is because they
Speaker 2: played them this long into it, right, because like, oh
Speaker 2: we can't, we can't just bench this investment. Like this
Speaker 2: was tough for them because they this was not their
Speaker 2: plan at all. So again, Michael Pennox maybe end up
Speaker 2: looking great. And we looked back at it and it's
Speaker 2: like a, well, yeah, we wasted a ton of money
Speaker 2: and could have brought in this free agent, but and
Speaker 2: then we got our franchise quarterback. St We're happy. That's
Speaker 2: all fine and dandy. But that's never the argument against
Speaker 2: the Falcons.
Speaker 1: Like, right, get it.
Speaker 2: I feel like a lot of times whenever a team
Speaker 2: does get the And again, I don't think Pennix is
Speaker 2: going to be this. I think he can look good
Speaker 2: in this offense at times, but I just I don't
Speaker 2: look at the Falcons. I'm like, man, look at these
Speaker 2: geniuses thinking ten steps. No, this is not Jordan Love
Speaker 2: on the Packers, isn't This is not the same situation
Speaker 2: at all.
Speaker 3: No, they cost themselves a lot a lot of money
Speaker 3: and now they are in a situation where they are praying,
Speaker 3: they are praying that a team will take on Kirk Cousins'
Speaker 3: twenty seven and a half million dollar base salary next year,
Speaker 3: and then I think the Falcons would only need to eat,
Speaker 3: would only would only need to eat like thirty thirty
Speaker 3: some million, thirty seven and a half million next year,
Speaker 3: and then and then luck then if they're lucky, they
Speaker 3: have no twenty twenty six dead cap and they just
Speaker 3: have to eat almost forty million the next year. So
Speaker 3: I mean, they better hope that a team wants to
Speaker 3: take that on. And then you're only going to get
Speaker 3: a six round.
Speaker 1: Draft pick back.
Speaker 3: You're getting a Day three draft pick back for Kirk Cousins. So, Bobby,
Speaker 3: before we talk about what Michael Pennix can bring to
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Speaker 2: I had a I had a thought that I want
Speaker 2: to talk about.
Speaker 1: So Dan Pastick.
Speaker 2: People are listening to the Dan Patrick on the feed
Speaker 2: in the show I want, I want to get something
Speaker 2: national justin. Uh, that has to do with us, all right,
Speaker 2: But let's talk about the the Michael Pennix of of
Speaker 2: it all. Because at the end of the day, they're
Speaker 2: they're just making a change of quarterback. So I'll be
Speaker 2: honest as a So we are New York Giants fans,
Speaker 2: and so we have the pulse of the team. From
Speaker 2: the Giants fan point of view, it's like, let's see
Speaker 2: who they passed on with Michael Pennix. From my point
Speaker 2: of view, I'm like, let's see Zach Robinson without the
Speaker 2: most limited quarterback of all time. But let's talk about
Speaker 2: Michael Pennix as a player justin. You know, we did
Speaker 2: a lot of work on him. You know, we you know,
Speaker 2: did our full quarterback draft previews last year. There's a
Speaker 2: lot we interviewed him in Mobile, Alabama. He was the best.
Speaker 2: He looked like the best quarterback down there with bow Nicks.
Speaker 2: He can read defenses. He sees the rotations that like
Speaker 2: defenses use and has good recall to come back to
Speaker 2: a play and you know he sees something a defense
Speaker 2: that like got him on something.
Speaker 1: You know, he's got.
Speaker 2: A strong arm, right, It's not this crazy you know,
Speaker 2: Josh Allen type arm.
Speaker 1: But he has a strong arm.
Speaker 2: He's fairly accurate with a clean pocket, and he's aggressive,
Speaker 2: you know, throw the ball deep twenty one percent of
Speaker 2: the time. And another thing that can be his good
Speaker 2: a good thing and a bad thing for him is
Speaker 2: he's not gonna take sacks. He will get rid of
Speaker 2: the ball if he whether it's just hey, my internal
Speaker 2: clalk is up. Let's throw this ball with whatever I
Speaker 2: got to the best option or throw the ball away.
Speaker 2: But that can also harm him, right he throws, especially
Speaker 2: when there is real pressure and not just like a
Speaker 2: play is kind of you know, falling apart. He'll throw
Speaker 2: the ball in harm's way. You know, he had eleven
Speaker 2: interceptions in fifteen games last year, nine of fifteen games
Speaker 2: with an interception. And when pressured, he will panic and
Speaker 2: they act. It's not just like decision making. The accuracy
Speaker 2: suffers greatly when he's pressured because he doesn't have the career.
Speaker 1: Part to his game.
Speaker 2: There's just no creation outside the pocket with his legs.
Speaker 2: That being said, though, I think this is a great
Speaker 2: fit for somebody from the Sean McVay Tree and Zach
Speaker 2: Robinson with this running game with these weapons, because despite
Speaker 2: the fact that Kirk has been limited, you know, Kirk
Speaker 2: has thrown for thirty five hundred yards this year.
Speaker 1: You know, they're six and.
Speaker 2: Passing yards, they're twelfth in rushing yards, they're ninth, and
Speaker 2: yards per play, they're seventh and yards per drive. You know,
Speaker 2: at one point this year, Darnell Mooney was fourth and
Speaker 2: receiving in the NFL. Like at like week nine, he
Speaker 2: was fourth in the NFL and receiving yards. Whenever we
Speaker 2: did our mid season All Pro I was like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, Darnell Mooney is up here and Drake London
Speaker 2: was right behind him. This is a good spot. It
Speaker 2: kind of reminds me of like maybe we could see
Speaker 2: what happened with Jared Goff early with the rams, where
Speaker 2: it's a little bit telling him where it is running
Speaker 2: play action. They'll be able to do that more if
Speaker 2: they face a team that's going to pressure him like
Speaker 2: crazy and get after him and Discott's coverages the same
Speaker 2: the way the Michigan did last year in the National Championship. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it'll be a mess, but I think he's getting into
Speaker 2: a pretty nice situation. This is why we love the Falcons.
Speaker 2: You know this year with the quarterback and having to
Speaker 2: play the Giants who have almost every starting dB is
Speaker 2: injured except for like they're probably won their worst starters
Speaker 2: in Jason Pinnock. The Commanders, who, despite their success this year,
Speaker 2: lack a lot of talent on defense, and then the
Speaker 2: Carolina Panthers, the worst passing defense in the NFL. Like
Speaker 2: this is a nice landing spot for Michael Pennix to
Speaker 2: start his career.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, that offensive line is still holding up pretty
Speaker 3: well in you know, true pass set grades and stuff
Speaker 3: like that. We know the we know the talent that
Speaker 3: they have there. I love Drake London for this offense
Speaker 3: and this quarterback in particular. Drake London I think is
Speaker 3: up there in terms of contested catch guys that can
Speaker 3: go up and get it, like with with a George Pickens.
Speaker 3: Darnold Mooney somehow has like four yards per reception more
Speaker 3: than Drake London. I hope that changes.
Speaker 1: I hope Drake kind of.
Speaker 2: Like that dynamic where London's their main guy and Mooney
Speaker 2: is looking he's gonna get those big plays Like you
Speaker 2: see that with a lot of teams where they have
Speaker 2: their number one who's their go to guy and then
Speaker 2: their number two is the guy who's gonna average fifteen
Speaker 2: yards per catch.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, uh you know. And you you talked about
Speaker 3: Penis limiting sacks in college, which that was very true.
Speaker 3: I have I have that same note. What I think
Speaker 3: Penix is going to bring this is again what Cousins
Speaker 3: did not bring. And this is what makes Penix different
Speaker 3: of you know, you're not going to see the plays
Speaker 3: like Lamar and Josh Allen and Mahomes where we're running
Speaker 3: around and extending plays like that. But I would say,
Speaker 3: you know the ceiling and what you want to strive
Speaker 3: for is Michael Penix can be a guy like maybe
Speaker 3: like a Joe Burrow where you can extend plays within
Speaker 3: inside the pocket. I don't think he's going to be
Speaker 3: doing that outside the pocket and making guys miss and
Speaker 3: extending plays that way. But that is a guy that
Speaker 3: can extend plays inside the pocket, and that's gonna have
Speaker 3: to be a key for him in the NFL. Can
Speaker 3: he stay calm, canny, stay cool, Kenny, stay collected in
Speaker 3: the NFL. In the NFL doing that and even on
Speaker 3: place where he's holding the ball for longer than two
Speaker 3: and a half seconds, his pressure to sack rate was
Speaker 3: still impressively low, where it's like, hey, you look like
Speaker 3: a guy like Kayleb Williams. Where you hold on to
Speaker 3: the ball for longer than two and a half seconds.
Speaker 3: What in the world is gonna happen? What are you
Speaker 3: going to do with the ball? That's been a little
Speaker 3: bit of an issue this year, right where Michael PENNOCKX
Speaker 3: in college was not an issue for him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, his issue is the issues Like there's a guy
Speaker 2: like Josh Allen who like, oh, is pressure of the
Speaker 2: sack rate is great and he's creating big plays out
Speaker 2: of it. With Pennix, it's more of like, all right,
Speaker 2: we're just gonna throw it or or trying or try
Speaker 2: and throw it away to avoid that sack, which is good.
Speaker 2: You don't want to avoid those sacks, but that's where
Speaker 2: it gets in harm's way.
Speaker 1: So listen. I think this is a good.
Speaker 2: Spot for any young quarterback or you know, I guess
Speaker 2: Michael Penox isn't the youngest guy, but any rookie quarterback.
Speaker 2: The Falcons I think are a very nice offensive structure.
Speaker 2: I'm really I think Zach Robinson can get a head
Speaker 2: coaching gig off. These next three games. You know, I'm
Speaker 2: someone who loves the Sean McVay tree. You saw hires
Speaker 2: like Matt Lafleur and Kevin O'Connell get bocked in the moment,
Speaker 2: and guess where they're at right now, you know, with
Speaker 2: the top combined five losses on the year or whatever,
Speaker 2: maybe combined you know, yeah, combined five losses on the year.
Speaker 2: So I think he can get I think this is
Speaker 2: a really good offense that was just like man Kirk
Speaker 2: Cousins can't do anything now Pennick's long term I still
Speaker 2: you know, I didn't view him as someone that was
Speaker 2: worthy of the eighth overall pick. I view him as
Speaker 2: someone like when shit breaks down, it's it'd be one
Speaker 2: thing if like, hey, you had some turnovers in those moments,
Speaker 2: but the accuracy suffers when he's under pressure. You know,
Speaker 2: go back and watch that Michion game. You don't want
Speaker 2: to judge a guy off one game, but when they
Speaker 2: when the when there's pressure and the picture on defense
Speaker 2: is not clear, that the accuracy suffers. Like even the
Speaker 2: preseason game he played was pretty good. You saw some
Speaker 2: good moments in there, m but you like, see if
Speaker 2: I can even find my notes I went and watched
Speaker 2: every furrow from that one when we did on it,
Speaker 2: and it was like, man, the actor's seat, Like he's
Speaker 2: missed on like half of these.
Speaker 1: These furrows.
Speaker 2: If I can find my notes, I actually charted it
Speaker 2: from that preseason game, but yeah, justin go ahead say
Speaker 2: something while I find these notes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and confident that might and Michael Penix's arm.
Speaker 3: But the one thing that I wanted to add that
Speaker 3: I'm a little hesitant on is the quick game. You know,
Speaker 3: I think we're gonna see him sling it. We're gonna
Speaker 3: see him sling it to Mooney, We're gonna see him, Hey,
Speaker 3: even get Kyle Pitts involved. We're gonna see him sling
Speaker 3: it to Drake London. But the one thing that I
Speaker 3: have a little bit of a question on is a
Speaker 3: lot of the quick game at Washington was short passes
Speaker 3: and screens to the outside, but utilizing the middle of
Speaker 3: the field and attacking all three levels of the field.
Speaker 3: That's something that you kind of need to do with
Speaker 3: the NFL. That's not really what he did at Washington.
Speaker 3: I feel like a lot of it was towards the
Speaker 3: sideline when it's short, and then if it's long again,
Speaker 3: you're attacking the sideline, you're going deep, you're going vertical
Speaker 3: in that grub offense. Just think of how many big
Speaker 3: plays was like, you know Michael Pennis, and this is
Speaker 3: good on him. You're the arm talent, you're showing the accuracy,
Speaker 3: but it was kind of just giving his top three
Speaker 3: wide receivers, you know, particularly Polk and you know Romo Dunesa,
Speaker 3: just giving them almost contested catch opportunities.
Speaker 1: Which the Falcons have.
Speaker 3: Washington was right, and they can replicate that for sure,
Speaker 3: and they could replicate these quick little passes to you
Speaker 3: have these weapons, you have guys that are good with
Speaker 3: yards after the catch, so that is something that you
Speaker 3: can replicate. And in terms of Bobby's point about pressure,
Speaker 3: I think if there's ever a situation or if there's
Speaker 3: a game or a scheme that the Falcons feel like
Speaker 3: there's gonna be a team that's going to bring pressure,
Speaker 3: you know, maybe even the Giants, Like the Giants have
Speaker 3: a decent pass rush still, you know, heading into the Sunday,
Speaker 3: I could very much see play action rollouts and getting
Speaker 3: him away from the pressure. And that's an answer to
Speaker 3: how can we get this guy throwing from a clean space,
Speaker 3: play action rollouts is the way to go, and again
Speaker 3: they could not do that with Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 2: Again, it's very similar to what the Rams did with
Speaker 2: Jared Goff, who had similar issues where it's like, when
Speaker 2: it's clean and the reads there, he's got it. When
Speaker 2: they're pressure, it breaks down. But like you know my
Speaker 2: preseason like that nine for six teen, one hundred and
Speaker 2: four yard game, Like here's my note, miss deep shot
Speaker 2: on third down, but good read of safety, rotation, corner,
Speaker 2: a little too wide, deep ball versus cover three. Guy
Speaker 2: gets beat, nice ball, ball sailed on an out route
Speaker 2: move linebacker with a pump to hit dig over the middle,
Speaker 2: miss deep on an alert good stick flat to get
Speaker 2: third and goal at the one, then miss the fade,
Speaker 2: missed the checkdown flat behind the guy a third down
Speaker 2: almost interception on. So like we didn't see him light
Speaker 2: the world up on fire in those most but even
Speaker 2: though you do see good stuff. So three years from now,
Speaker 2: am I gonna be like, man, look at this.
Speaker 1: I don't think so.
Speaker 2: With Michael Pennix to be one hundred percent real, But
Speaker 2: I think this is a great opportunity for him in
Speaker 2: these last three games and I think the Falcons are
Speaker 2: a pretty good offensive situation as being that's been held
Speaker 2: back significantly by Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, if anything, we can, maybe we could
Speaker 3: even wrap this up by giving a little bit of
Speaker 3: a preview. What what do we expect this Sunday, Bobby
Speaker 3: going up against our New York Football Giant and what
Speaker 3: is a completely decimated defense? And if the Falcons are smart,
Speaker 3: Michael Pennix isn't throwing the ball more than sixteen seventeen
Speaker 3: times this game because they should just run the damn ball.
Speaker 1: Well, here's the issues.
Speaker 2: The Giants have started playing run defense very heavily since
Speaker 2: they lost Exter Lawrence, and their dbs are like a
Speaker 2: lot of their touchdowns that the Ravens had were like
Speaker 2: their corners just playing the run way too heavy and
Speaker 2: guys getting behind them. So I think they can they
Speaker 2: I think Penics have a big they They're starting corners
Speaker 2: were in this most recent game where two guys who
Speaker 2: weren't on the roster last week, and then Isaiah Simmons
Speaker 2: who's a linebacker.
Speaker 1: That's that's what their starting corner group was.
Speaker 2: And then a bad a bad safety duo and Dane
Speaker 2: Belton and Jason Pinnock or some people call him Justin Pinnock.
Speaker 2: By the way, go if you're listening to this from
Speaker 2: the go, check out the first twelve minutes of our
Speaker 2: podcast talking Giants. That's a little more Nationals. That's shocking, shocking.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be our most listened to episode ever because
Speaker 2: of how shocking the Giants are, how dumb they are.
Speaker 2: But let me say this, if he struggles against this
Speaker 2: Giants team, Like, you don't want to judge a guy
Speaker 2: off his first game, good or bad. Right, We've seen
Speaker 2: the good where you have the Will Levis's, Daniel Jones,
Speaker 2: Marcus Mariotas who lighted up in their first game and
Speaker 2: then look at them now. But I'll be disappointed if
Speaker 2: Michael Pennicky doesn't light up this Giants offense.
Speaker 1: Again.
Speaker 2: I don't need him to throw the ball thirty times,
Speaker 2: but he should be averaging eight to ten yards per attempt. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, hitting passes over the middle and have a
Speaker 2: touchdown or two.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 2: But I'm excited for I'm just excited for the Falcons
Speaker 2: offense to be able to run without just extreme limitations
Speaker 2: at the quarterbacks, which is what they were dealing with.
Speaker 2: Like it hurt every aspect of that offense. Having Kirk
Speaker 2: Cousins that quarterback, You know, yes, and it's not because
Speaker 2: of who Kirk Cousins has been in his career, right,
Speaker 2: if Kirk Cousins is not injured. Yes, their limitations Kirk
Speaker 2: kirk Cousins not a great quarterback, sure, but he's a
Speaker 2: pretty damn good quarterback. But when you have those physical limitations,
Speaker 2: it's just hard to do it. And I still think
Speaker 2: they did pretty damn well considering all of that. Justin
Speaker 2: do you have anything else on this before we head out?
Speaker 3: No, nothing else.
Speaker 1: This is a fun episode.
Speaker 2: Get the fucking dive deep on a thirty minutes on
Speaker 2: just one subject. How about that. We appreciate you, guys.
Speaker 2: We will see you on Friday. Until then, that is
Speaker 2: football today.