1 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. It started out as a 2 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 1: beautiful day, but it ended in tragedy for a three 3 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:28,639 Speaker 1: year old little boy. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. 4 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation 5 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:34,239 Speaker 1: in series M one eleven. First of all, take a 6 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: listen to our friends at Fox thirty two. A beautiful 7 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:40,559 Speaker 1: day on the lake took a terrifying turn around one 8 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 1: this afternoon when a young boy ended up in the water, 9 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: unable to stay afloat, and we ask that you keep 10 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: the family in your thoughts. Chicago fire and police officials 11 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: responded to the north side of Navy Pier, with divers 12 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 1: jumping in to rescue the three year old. According to 13 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: the Fire Department, the child had gone into cardiac arrest. 14 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: Child was rushed to Laurie Children's Hospital and is currently 15 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:10,040 Speaker 1: undergoing treatment. And more from our friends at WGNI, he 16 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 1: was on his back, it says the distress cold first 17 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 1: came shortly after one that afternoon, but it was Ashton 18 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:20,199 Speaker 1: King who dial at nine one one. Her friend Ali 19 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: was in Chicago from out of town. They'd just been 20 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 1: on a bush and we're on the north side of 21 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 1: the pier as we were walking. My girlfriend said, did 22 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 1: you hear that splash? And I was like no. Then 23 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:34,119 Speaker 1: they spotted a woman looking into the water. Obviously we 24 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: were curious, what are you looking at? We did not 25 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: expect to look down and see a little boy. Can 26 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: you imagine that moment you see people looking down in 27 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: the water and you look down and see what you 28 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: certainly did not expect a little boy in the water. 29 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: It goes on, take a listen to Bernac, to Malty 30 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: and panic set in. It turned to her and I said, 31 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: do you know him? How did he fall in? Were 32 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: you here and he fell in? Are you with him? Mike? 33 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: And she never gave me a clear concise answer. I 34 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:11,079 Speaker 1: called nine one one and nine on one, you know, frantic, 35 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 1: I'm like, there's there's a child in the water. As 36 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 1: King was on the phone, she remembered seeing something further back. 37 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: I remember seeing a big red case that holds the 38 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: life donut preserver and I remember thinking, oh my gosh, 39 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: go round, go get that, go get that Azali round 40 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:30,639 Speaker 1: to get dashed. The little boy went under and more 41 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:34,079 Speaker 1: from our friends at Fox at thirty two. Ashton King, 42 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:36,839 Speaker 1: a mother of three, still can't shake what she saw here. 43 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: At Navy Pierre Monday afternoon, my friend said, oh, I 44 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 1: just heard a splash. That splash turned out to be 45 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 1: a three year old boy police was pushed into Lake 46 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: Michigan by his own aunt. Thirty four year old Victoria Moreno. 47 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 1: King was visiting the area from the suburbs. Her best friend, 48 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: a train diver, wasn't town you're again. We're hearing our 49 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 1: friend Tia Ewing from Fox thirty two, who is joining 50 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:04,959 Speaker 1: us right now. But before I go to Fox thirty two, 51 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: superstar to you Ewing, I want to go to another 52 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: special guest joining us, Ashton King, a mother of three 53 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: who not only call nine one one, but ran to 54 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: a live preserver and threw it in to try and 55 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: save three year old Josiah Brown. Ashton, thank you for 56 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: being with us. Thank you for having me. Ashton. What 57 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: happened that day? Where did it all start? Well, as 58 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: you've heard in the story, my best friend was in 59 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: from out of town. She had been in the weekend 60 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: then was her last day here and I thought we 61 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: should do something a little tourist see in Chicago. So 62 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: we decided let's go down to Navy Pier. We're going 63 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: to do a boat tour down the Chicago River. It 64 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: takes off from Navy Pier so at eleven forty five. 65 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: That's when our tour took off. We got off the 66 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: boat about one pm, a little after one, and decided 67 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: that we wanted to go to the north end of 68 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: the pier. Hey, Ashton, hold on on second. For those 69 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: of you that didn't hear it from our friend Tia 70 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:16,280 Speaker 1: Ewing at Fox thirty two, Chicago, it's not just a 71 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:20,599 Speaker 1: child falling in the water. Right there at the end 72 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: you hear pushed into the water. And with me right now, 73 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 1: Ashton King the witness that call nine one one and 74 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 1: ran to a live preserver to throw to a little 75 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: three year old Josiah. So you're out on this tour, 76 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 1: a boat tour, right and then what happened? So then 77 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: we get off the tour and we decided there is 78 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: an actually there's a rooftop restaurant and bar on the 79 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: north side of the pier. I had gone before for 80 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 1: previous years ago for a friend's birthday, and I thought 81 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: it would be very nice scenery to overlook the water. 82 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 1: I said, let's go have you know, we'll have a cocktail, 83 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 1: we'll have some lunch, and then we'll end the day. 84 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: You know. So as you were walking to the location, Um, 85 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:06,720 Speaker 1: my friend and I were just casually talking and she 86 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: said she heard a splash, and they said, I didn't 87 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: hear the splash. We kept walking. Oh gosh, Ashton, when 88 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 1: you say I heard the splash, your your friend heard 89 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: the splash, and you did not hear the splash, and 90 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: then you kept walking. Yeah, I'm just thinking the splash 91 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 1: and then one Mississippi, two Mississippi, three Mississippi. As you're walking, 92 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 1: we all on the panel right now, know what that 93 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: splash was. It was three year old Josiah, and I'm 94 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: thinking of you and your friend, you know, just walking 95 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:53,039 Speaker 1: toward the rooftop lunch. And you know, however, many feet away, 96 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: jes Saiah has just gone into that cold water, and 97 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 1: nobody realizes yet what had happened. Go ahead, yeah, nobody. 98 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: I would like to just mention that it was a 99 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 1: Monday in the middle of September, so you don't really 100 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 1: have many tourists in the area, you know. I mean, 101 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: it was very very quiet, especially on that side of 102 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: the fire. There were many people around. So as we 103 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: walk ahead, I see a woman kind of bent over 104 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: looking into the water, I mean staring into the water, 105 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: which seems peculiar to us. Um I guess I thought 106 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 1: maybe she was looking at I don't know, of some wildlife. 107 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 1: There was a I didn't know at that point, but 108 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: she was the only one around. So we stopped where 109 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: she stopped. And like I tell you, when I listened 110 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:39,599 Speaker 1: to that water, I did not expect to see a 111 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: little boy floating on his back. I m I immediately 112 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: went into panic mode and just spirated the lady now 113 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 1: that we know as the aunt, with questions what happened? 114 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:58,280 Speaker 1: How did this happen? And she did not give me 115 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: any answer. Guys, you're hearing the voice of Ashton King 116 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:07,799 Speaker 1: that jumped into action when she sees a little boy. 117 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: Now you heard Ashton King, the good Samaritan, state that 118 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: the boy was on his bat like floating. But remember 119 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: this is rough water. It's hard. It's hard to keep 120 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: floating or treading water in that kind of body of water. 121 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 1: He was floating then, but it didn't last long. Take 122 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at wb BM and again 123 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: Fox thirty two. The three year old is on a 124 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: ventilator here at Larry Children's Hospital. He has swelling and 125 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: his brain. His lungs have been bleeding and he's gone 126 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: into cardiac arrest a number of times. His injuries are 127 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: severely life threatening. He just was looking straight up at 128 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: this guy, just terrified. The three year old boy was 129 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: found at the bottom of the lake and isn't likely 130 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: to survive his injuries. Ashton King with me, mother of three. 131 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: He called nine one one and tries to throw does 132 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: throw a life preserver out to the boy. He was 133 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: looking up at the sky. That's what you remember. Ashton, Yes, 134 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: floating on his back, and I just remember thinking. My 135 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: first thought was, oh my gosh, I'm so proud of him, 136 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: because I'm a mother, So I was like, I'm so 137 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: proud that there's such a good job floating. I'm soon. 138 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 1: We're trying to talk calmly to him, My girlfriend was. 139 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: I was back and forth on the phone with nine 140 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: one one. Bit We're trying to, you know, talk to him. 141 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: But anything that we were trying to do to provide 142 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: or render aid to him kind of to help him 143 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: self preserve it just wasn't. He just wasn't responding to us. 144 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: To Robert Farley, former detective County Sheriff's Police Department and 145 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 1: Deputy US Marshall, commanding Officer of the Child Exportation Unit 146 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: and consultant in Crimes against Children. Uh. It's Farley International 147 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 1: r F. Farley dot com. Familiar with the dot Robert, 148 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. How far is it 149 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: down into the water. It's good morning. It's approximately six 150 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 1: feet of from the actual pier down into the water 151 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 1: for the for your listeners to I guess give your 152 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:34,719 Speaker 1: perspective that Maybe Pier is on Lake Michigan, one of 153 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 1: the five Great lake. Uh. It's just east of what's 154 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: called the Streetville neighborhood, which is where the high end residences, 155 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: stores and things like that. It goes out into the 156 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: lake about I don't know, maybe thirty five hundred feet. 157 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: It's been around since the twenties. Part of the reason 158 00:09:54,600 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 1: it's called Maybe Piers Around World War two of the 159 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: naval aviators used to practice flattop aircraft can carry your 160 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 1: landings at Nybe Pier and ficked former President George Bush 161 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:13,679 Speaker 1: the father actually trained there how to land is a 162 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 1: plane on an aircraft carrier. So I guess that would 163 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: be where the scene of this crime would be. Now. 164 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: I asked him that a pretty good job of describing 165 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: the north end of the pier. But for your listeners, 166 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: it's the pier goes directly east from the street or 167 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:35,079 Speaker 1: Belle neighborhood, and then you have water on the north 168 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: side of the pier, and you have water on the 169 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 1: south side of the pier. The north side of the pier, 170 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: what's kind of interesting, and Askedon briefly described it is 171 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: kind of secluded. You have a rooftop restaurant, but mostly 172 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: you have the entrances for the parking lots, the entrances 173 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: for the many frants. The boats that she talked about 174 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: are pretty much more on the south side of the pier. 175 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 1: In fact, as I had told your producer, I said, 176 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: strangely enough, I had been on a dinner cruise off 177 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 1: a navy pier a week ago. So a week ago Thursday, 178 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 1: I had been on a dinner cruise there. So that 179 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: kind of gives you an idea at least what the 180 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: pier looks like. The water. It's cold, I mean it's 181 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:25,559 Speaker 1: really cold people. I mean many cases, if you're out there, 182 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: you're going out there in west two. Yeah. I was 183 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: just thinking that because I know out of the Santa 184 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: Cruz pier. We take the children there a lot to 185 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:39,079 Speaker 1: see the sea lions people. Even though it's sunny California, 186 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 1: people are in full wetsuits out there to surf because 187 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: the water is so cold. The low that day, September 188 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 1: nineteen was estimated at fifty five, which makes me wonder 189 00:11:51,760 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 1: how cold that water was. Time Stories with Nancy Grace 190 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:15,199 Speaker 1: straight out to tia Ewing joining us from Fox thirty 191 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: to Chicago. You can find her on Facebook, TV News 192 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: Star and tia Ewing dot com. Ta thanks for being 193 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 1: with us. So the water on Lake Michigan is very choppy, right, 194 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: It can be very choppy, that is true. And for 195 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: a three year old boy to even be able to 196 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: float in it is astounding because we've covered stories over 197 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 1: the years and even this year, even the summer where 198 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 1: people end up in the water and they don't make it. Yeah, 199 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 1: it's a lot because if it's fifty five degrees in 200 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: the air, the water is going to be much colder, 201 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: much colder, and then the shop being pushed off and 202 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:05,079 Speaker 1: least six foot pier and going under and then trying 203 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 1: to stay to float. And I'm just thinking about what 204 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: Ashton King said to you and about she looked out 205 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: and not expecting to see what she saw and then 206 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 1: sees a little boy's face staring up at the sky. 207 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: Shocking is very shocking, you know, and to learn more 208 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 1: about the details of how this even happened is even 209 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: more shocking. So their surveillance video that has not been 210 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: released to the public because this is still an active investigation, 211 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:42,319 Speaker 1: but police did put out information about what they saw 212 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:45,559 Speaker 1: when they looked at that surveillance video. And when they 213 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 1: looked at that surveillance video, they say that they saw 214 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: Victoria Moreno, you know, basically allowing this child to go 215 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 1: underneath what they have there, which is it's a very 216 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 1: thin like chance. It's nothing that would really keep you 217 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: back from the water. And when people were looking, she would, 218 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 1: according to a police at least keep him back from 219 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: the water. But when people were not looking, that is 220 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: when they say, yeah, you straddled him and pushed him 221 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 1: into the water, okay. Or of Miller, I know you're hearing, 222 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: TIAU and you know you got your work cut out 223 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: for you. Or Miller high profile criminal defense attorney with 224 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: the Miller Farm and legal analyst. It's Chicago wbb MTV, 225 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 1: tia or I want you to take a listen to 226 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: our friend Casey Cronus, Fox thirty two. Still, exactly how 227 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 1: this happened is unclear. Police tell us the boy was 228 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: not on a boat. Instead, he was walking with a 229 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: guardian when he fell into the water. Detectives stayed on 230 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 1: scene for hours investigating. It's very early in this investigation 231 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: and the area three detectives are reviewing everything and exploring 232 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: all the circumstances. And we're told that adults who was 233 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: with the little boy at the time was being interviewed 234 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: by police earlier this afternoon. That's right, being interviewed to 235 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 1: find out exactly what happened. Witness number one, Good Samaritan 236 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 1: Ashton King, was there had immediately jumped into action, directing 237 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 1: that nine o one be call. Trying to throw a 238 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 1: life preserver out to the little boy, listen to. Tara 239 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 1: Molina Moreno grabbed his foot and pulled him from the 240 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 1: edge while looking around waiting for people to leave, and 241 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 1: when no one was around, she allowed him to crawl 242 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 1: back under the barrier, eventually going over it herself. Looking 243 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: around again. Crouching down straddling the three year old, she 244 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: pushed him into Lake Michigan. They say, she sat down 245 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 1: and stared into the water where the little boy was struggling, 246 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: saying and doing nothing. All of this caught on surveillance cameras. 247 00:15:56,800 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: You know, Ashton King joining me the witness. We're all 248 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: talking about the Good Samaritan. Ashton, I was just thinking 249 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: about that impulse that you know when you see other 250 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: people looking up. We all look up, go what of 251 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: what is it? People will look down and you look 252 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 1: down after you earlier heard the splash and see the 253 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 1: little boy. What kind of shot? Went through your mind? 254 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: As a mother of three, you know, at first, first second, 255 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: I couldn't believe that this was real. I couldn't believe 256 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 1: that I was seeing what I was seeing. That was 257 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: my first instinct. And you know, in that moment, you 258 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: you don't eat. There's nothing in this world that can 259 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: prepare you for being put in a situation like that. 260 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: But I knew, I knew I had to do something 261 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: I had but I had to be I had to 262 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 1: be calculated in in my thinking and in that moment. 263 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: So I knew nine when one was my first, my 264 00:16:56,440 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: first line of action. And while I'm on the phone 265 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 1: with nine one one, it was very important to have 266 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: Ali stay Alie with my friend who was there with me, 267 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:11,400 Speaker 1: stay with the child. She tried to direct him off 268 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 1: float towards the boat that was parked, maybe he could 269 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 1: get up, she ran. I directed her to go run 270 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 1: and get the life preserver. I made sure that I 271 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: stay as calm as I could on the phone with 272 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 1: nine one to make sure that I could give them 273 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:29,400 Speaker 1: the most precise location of where we were and where 274 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:33,919 Speaker 1: the child was in the water, from landmarks to parking 275 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:40,400 Speaker 1: garages to anything I could possibly give them to pinpoint 276 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 1: them to the exact location where he was. Ashton, do 277 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 1: you remember did you teach your children how to swim? 278 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: So that was a big thing for me. We did 279 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 1: start swimming lessons. Actually they've been in for about a 280 00:17:54,440 --> 00:18:00,400 Speaker 1: year now. And my first thought was, all this, maybe 281 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: maybe he learned like that that that's like preserving kind 282 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: of float floating on their back. I mean, I was, 283 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: I was. I was so um impressed, uh that he 284 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 1: was doing that um at the moment, and I thought, maybe, 285 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:24,120 Speaker 1: you know, he had kind of been taught the same 286 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 1: things that my kids have been taught. Because when did 287 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: you realize that something was very very wrong? Aston The 288 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 1: first thing I realized was that, Um, he had vomited 289 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 1: once in the water. UM. And so I I as 290 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 1: an onfluence nine one one, I said, please, please, he 291 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 1: just vomited in the water. Um. You know, I'm going 292 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 1: back and forth with them, UM. And that that was 293 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 1: the moment that I knew that this is this is 294 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:54,120 Speaker 1: not going well. UM. Not that it would go well, right, 295 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 1: but this is just this is just not this is 296 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 1: it happened? It was progressing so fastly. And I want 297 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:05,360 Speaker 1: it to be known that obviously, any mother's first instinct 298 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: is to jump in and saves a child. But I 299 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 1: was very fortunate to have a friend who is training 300 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 1: to be a dive master and who had just taken 301 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 1: a dive safety class. And there are a lot of 302 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 1: factors that went into our decision to not immediately jump 303 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 1: in after the boy. I want to talk about the 304 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 1: little boy vomiting. Josiah joining me is doctor free and 305 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:39,160 Speaker 1: Hass pediatriction. Of course, the specialty is pediatric emergency medicine. 306 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: She is the founder of pedmom dot com, peed imom 307 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: dot com. Doctor Hass, thank you for being with us. 308 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:51,400 Speaker 1: Why was the boy vomiting so? Um? There are very 309 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: distinct stages to drowning that we know quite well six 310 00:19:55,600 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: stages of drowning. And once they reached the stage where 311 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 1: they're sort of ending their struggle, they're not really able 312 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:07,159 Speaker 1: to keep themselves aslope very much. They start to actually 313 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 1: swallow water, so part of that they will swallow, part 314 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 1: of that they will start to aspirate, and oftentimes the 315 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 1: water that they're swallowing causes them to vomit, so that 316 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: means that they've already entered the stage where they're aspirating 317 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 1: water and they're past the point of being able to 318 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 1: struggle much longer. Dodger has it is a horrible, horrible feeling. 319 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 1: I remember before the twins were born, John, David and Lacy, 320 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: when I still dived a lot. I was on the 321 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 1: other side of the world diving and I had gone 322 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:40,400 Speaker 1: way down further than I really should have gone at 323 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:45,479 Speaker 1: that time and breathe in to my spider and it 324 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 1: didn't work, and I sucked in water and immediately very 325 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: far down under the surface started vomiting up water. And 326 00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 1: when you're doing that and you're underwater, you then catch 327 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 1: your breath. You can't breathe back in. It's a horrible 328 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: almost claustrophobic feeling. Yeah, it's a very I mean, the 329 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 1: whole entire situation is terrible. Why I do want to 330 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:16,679 Speaker 1: just say for those listening to that, unfortunately, drowning is 331 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,719 Speaker 1: being number one cause of accidental death and children from 332 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:24,120 Speaker 1: ages one to four, we see massive, massive numbers of this. Obviously, 333 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 1: this is a little bit of a different situation because 334 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: it wasn't just an accidental drowning. But that's unfortunately, why 335 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 1: we know so much about drowning and how it occurs 336 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:36,679 Speaker 1: in the stages of drowning is because it's so common. 337 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 1: But of course, as doctor has is pointing out, this 338 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: was no accident. Take a listen. See this photo from 339 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 1: Ashton King. She was on the pier and saw the 340 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: three year old in the water, immediately jumping into action 341 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: while she said she watched moreno do the exact opposite. 342 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: This is her standing by police and the dive team 343 00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: who rescued the little boy. The red flags were there. 344 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 1: She was acting very weird. I did end up telling 345 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:06,239 Speaker 1: the officer, I said, listen, I said, she was the 346 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 1: only one here and we got here. She's just been 347 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: acting off weird, like I don't know if she I 348 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 1: just don't know if she's all something is not right, 349 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: acting odd, acting weird. You're hearing our friends at WBB 350 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: and but there's more take a list of our friend, 351 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 1: Tia at Fox thirty two. Moreno stole the family car 352 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: and drove into the city and Navy Pier surveillance video 353 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: shows she waited for people to leave the area, then 354 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,120 Speaker 1: allow the three year old to crawl underneath the chain 355 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: barrier separating the walkway in the water. When no one 356 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 1: was looking, they claimed, Moreno straddled the boy and pushed 357 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 1: him over into Lake Michigan, which is a six and 358 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: a half foot drop. I said, please, can you question 359 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 1: her again. I'm just letting you know, like this is 360 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 1: not sitting right with me. She was the only one here. 361 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 1: She's not acting right. Okay, back to you, Tia. You 362 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: you and joining us Fox thirty two. Tia, I know 363 00:22:57,520 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: it's a six and a half foot drop, But how 364 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: deep is like Michigan, it's very very deep. It depends 365 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,160 Speaker 1: on it on different parts of the lake of how 366 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,200 Speaker 1: deep it can be. But I mean it's a clear 367 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 1: indication of how deep it is that the actual dive 368 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,439 Speaker 1: crews found this little boy at the bottom of the 369 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,680 Speaker 1: water unconscious. I mean that tells you everything you need 370 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: to know. Had to bring in a dive crew to 371 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 1: find the boy unconscious at the bottom of the water. 372 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: Robert Farley joining us from our detective County Sheriff's Police Department, 373 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,479 Speaker 1: is so much more. How deep would you say that is? 374 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:38,439 Speaker 1: Probably right there it's around twenty five feet deep. I 375 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:40,639 Speaker 1: mean it gets as you go further the route, it's 376 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: about eight hundred feet deep. But right there, just to 377 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:48,680 Speaker 1: the north, this is basically a little inlet on the 378 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 1: north side of Navy Pier. Just to the north is 379 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 1: the water filtration plant for the city of Chicago where 380 00:23:56,320 --> 00:24:00,959 Speaker 1: they sucking water from lakes to distribute it. So the 381 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 1: pipes go out to what are called cribs out in 382 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: the lake where they suck in the water. So probably 383 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: there are twenty five thirty feet. I mean I've been 384 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 1: in boats out there and looking at the depth meters 385 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 1: just there. Maybe thirty feet. But as was said, as 386 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,400 Speaker 1: was said by Tea, I mean it gets significantly deeper 387 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 1: as you go fire the route. Yeah, you and joining 388 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 1: us far to what was going on above ground? Is 389 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,360 Speaker 1: it like a pier where they are rides and restaurants 390 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: and photo boots and all that it is. But on 391 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 1: a Monday, that is not the case. On a Monday, 392 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 1: it is the equivalent to probably like a park, you 393 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:41,360 Speaker 1: have a few stragglers that are strolling through, observing the lake, 394 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 1: taking pictures. It's not, you know, this huge tourist attraction 395 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: during the week, especially not that early on in the week. 396 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 1: So I would imagine not very many people are out there. 397 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:57,120 Speaker 1: And you know, that is why when you heard from Ashton, 398 00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 1: she said that, you know, there weren't a lot of 399 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 1: people out there, or she did tell me when I 400 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 1: interviewed her that some people stopped they asked what was 401 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,440 Speaker 1: going on, and they kept going, Oh my stars. Yes, 402 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 1: nobody said going with a three year old boy out 403 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: in twenty five deep water, Ashton. Is that true? Yes, 404 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:19,679 Speaker 1: that is completely true. There were two people that helped, 405 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 1: and that was my friend and I. Anybody else that 406 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 1: stopped only stopped because they were curious while we were 407 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 1: staring at the water and you know, trying to move 408 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:33,399 Speaker 1: this life preserver around the water. What happened? What happened? 409 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,399 Speaker 1: I said, you know, frantically, there's a little boy in 410 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 1: the water. There's a little boy in the water. Oh 411 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,159 Speaker 1: oh okay, okay, how did that happen? I don't know. 412 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know it. Oh okay, okay, 413 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 1: and then walked on by Time Stories with Nancy Grace. 414 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall joining us. A boy down it a 415 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 1: shrink right now, Psychoanalyst to the Stars, joining us from 416 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: Beverly Hills. She's a doctor Bethany Marshall dot Com and 417 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 1: Starvenee Netflix series Bling Empire. Doctor Bethany, what is wrong 418 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: with people? I mean, even if you're not a great swimmer, 419 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 1: you want to still stand by and see if there's 420 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: anything you can do rather than jump in and you 421 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 1: both go to the bottom. But can you throw them 422 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 1: a rope? Can you, like Ashton King, try to throw 423 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 1: him the life preserver? Call and I we want to 424 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:35,159 Speaker 1: do something. Don't just keep on walking by, Nancy. The 425 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 1: human condition is so complex? Why did these people walk by? 426 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:40,919 Speaker 1: You know, for some of them it may not have 427 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:45,439 Speaker 1: seemed real. They may have made it unreal in their minds, 428 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:49,919 Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany. Weren't your parents' missionaries? Yes? They were? Okay, 429 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,439 Speaker 1: I don't know if you've ever heard the phrase or 430 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 1: the story, it's not a phrase, it's a story, it's 431 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,640 Speaker 1: a parable. The good Samaritan is that ringing a belle 432 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:06,640 Speaker 1: somewhere that at the time reach way back and remember 433 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 1: to just keeping Nancy. It's so inexplicable. There's a three 434 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,920 Speaker 1: year old in the water said they thought it wasn't real. 435 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 1: What are you saying they thought it wasn't real. I 436 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 1: think people can make things unreal in their minds, so 437 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 1: that that's not real. That's just a little boy. He'll swim, 438 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 1: he'll come back to the pier. People have all kinds 439 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 1: of narratives in their mind to explain the world around them, 440 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:36,680 Speaker 1: and sometimes the narratives are inaccurate. Sometimes they're simply callous. 441 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,919 Speaker 1: Some people feel they're getting drawn into a hoax, that 442 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 1: there's drama around them. They don't want to get hold on, 443 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:47,919 Speaker 1: hold on. I don't like anything you're saying. And I'm 444 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 1: going to tell you what I think about this alternate 445 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,879 Speaker 1: universe you're creating For these people that you say, don't 446 00:27:55,920 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: think it's real. They say it, they hear it, they 447 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 1: feel the cold air, they see Ashton King, they're screaming, 448 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 1: trying to call nine one one, trying to help. I 449 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 1: think that if they don't think it's real. I think 450 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 1: that equals they're doing what's comfortable for them. They're doing 451 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:18,479 Speaker 1: the easy thing, not the right thing. Well, Nancy, I'm 452 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,920 Speaker 1: going to compress this with something in Yosemite Park here 453 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 1: in California, hundreds of people die each year trying to 454 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 1: rescue other people. You know, maybe somebody who's taking a 455 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 1: picture on the ledge and that person falls over, and 456 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 1: so somebody else grabs them, and then a person grabs 457 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 1: the rescuer and a whole chain of people go over. 458 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 1: So I've witnessed the opposite in our national parks, which 459 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 1: I think is so interesting. Out in nature, people are 460 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 1: more likely to rescue others, even in very dangerous situations. 461 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 1: And then you have this pier where they're quite callous 462 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 1: and they walk the other way. I'm not saying for 463 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 1: them to all jump in and around them else. I mean, 464 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 1: you see Ashton King, she called nine one one. She 465 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 1: tried to get the life pers are originating. The point 466 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: she was trying to give directions, hurry, hurry, hurry, this 467 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 1: is where we are. He did not want to get it. Bothers. 468 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 1: They didn't even stand there, They did nothing. They just 469 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 1: kept going. I mean you're really really airbrushing a bad situation. 470 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 1: I mean, Ashton King. Let me go back to the 471 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 1: woman standing there. You said something was off. What happened, Well, 472 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 1: at first I got to tell you. The entire time, 473 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 1: she just stood. She stood behind like TiO was mentioning 474 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 1: the little chain that was that kind of separated the 475 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 1: water or you know, your little barrier. She stood. She 476 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,239 Speaker 1: backed away as soon as we got there and we 477 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 1: were starting to question her around her. As soon as 478 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: we started to Francis called one one and running around 479 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 1: the pier, she backed away. She stayed exactly where she 480 00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 1: was the entire time, did not and or anything clear 481 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 1: or concise for me, kept kind of mumbling and saying, 482 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. And 483 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 1: so of course when police are on the scene, they're 484 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 1: gonna go ahead and they're gonna take down our information 485 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 1: because they you know, in kids, they need to contact 486 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 1: us later. The entire time, even when she was talking 487 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 1: to the police, she just something was off, something was 488 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 1: not right. But what did she look like? She kind 489 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:30,959 Speaker 1: of just looked not emotionless. Yeah, sooic, but not emotion 490 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 1: not one hundred percent emotionless, but not as to have 491 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 1: been expected. Now, for example, this little boy, I had 492 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 1: no relation to this little boy. And I'm going to 493 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 1: tell you I was panic. I was sobbing. I was 494 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 1: running around like a crazy person on this pier, trying 495 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 1: to make sure that first responders got to where we 496 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 1: needed to be. And I that was just a normal 497 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 1: reaction that I had right away as soon as I've 498 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 1: seen him in the water. Now to see how she 499 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 1: was reacted while she was just staring at him struggling 500 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: in the water, was red slag number one. But then too, 501 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 1: I've eventually learned that that was her nephew. That was 502 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:10,479 Speaker 1: red slag number two. And I told please, As they 503 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 1: were questioning her, I thought to myself, does anybody else 504 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 1: not see what I am seeing here? Does anybody not 505 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 1: see that this is something is not right? And I 506 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 1: told the office, I said, please, please question her, please, 507 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 1: something is not right here. She was the only one 508 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 1: here when he was in or at least when he 509 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 1: was struggling in the water. And speaking of being the 510 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 1: only one there, Tia you and joining us Fox thirty two. 511 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, they surveillance video from there 512 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 1: on the pier shows her pushing the boy yet pushing 513 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 1: the buoy in absolutely, But the surveillorans video also shows 514 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 1: some other things that I think are important as well, 515 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 1: which I think kind of relates to the entire situation. 516 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 1: The surveyorans video also shows that the little boy was 517 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 1: walking out one point in the roadway and was nearly 518 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 1: struck by a car right before this happened. So the 519 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,520 Speaker 1: same place where they where they were, um, there's a 520 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 1: little stretch of that of that pier where cars can 521 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: drive through and park in the parking garage, according to police. 522 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 1: On the surveillance video, you do see her allow the 523 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,479 Speaker 1: little boy to walk right in the middle of the 524 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 1: walk of the roadway and is dearly hit by a 525 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 1: car before we even got to this point of him 526 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 1: being pushed into the water. So it kind of gives 527 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 1: you a glimpse of, you know, the care how he 528 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 1: was being looked after during the time that he was 529 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 1: with his own family member. IRV Miller joining me, high 530 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 1: profile criminal defense attorney with the Miller Firm, also illegal 531 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 1: analyst CBS to Chicago w bb MTV or thank you 532 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,240 Speaker 1: for being with us. You know what, I know where 533 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 1: you're going to go. If this hadn't been caught on video. 534 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 1: You would say video, you would say, she didn't push him, 535 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:07,240 Speaker 1: push him. He fell. He tripped over that chain plastic 536 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 1: chain barrier. That's what happened. He was playing on the 537 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 1: edge and he fell. Okay, but since there is video 538 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 1: row of her pushing him, I've had it happened in 539 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 1: rape cases and every other case there is goes something 540 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 1: like this. He's never seen her in his life. Oh okay. 541 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,720 Speaker 1: So they were supposed to meet at the bar. Yes, 542 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 1: that was casual. They didn't know each other. Then the 543 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 1: bar surveillance video shows up and it's them sitting there 544 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 1: having dinner. Oh her, Oh yeah, I know her. We 545 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 1: had dinner one night. That's it. Then it shows them 546 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:54,160 Speaker 1: walking down deep alleyway leaving the restaurant. Oh yeah, well 547 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 1: he's such a gentleman. He walked her to her car 548 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 1: and oh wait, he got in the car. Yeah, he 549 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 1: got in the cart. But she asked him to do that, 550 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 1: to drive to the X of the parking garage. And 551 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:10,400 Speaker 1: then she asked for consensual set. Wait, no, no sex whatsoever. 552 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 1: Well we have DNA. Okay, that was consensual. That was consensual. Well, 553 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 1: what about the bruises and the scrapes and the torn 554 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:22,359 Speaker 1: clothing that she liked it rough. That's how this thing 555 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:26,600 Speaker 1: is going to go down except for the video or Miller, 556 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,200 Speaker 1: and the video shows I guess your next backup will 557 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,840 Speaker 1: be what mental defect. Well, that's where this is probably 558 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:35,759 Speaker 1: going to go. And it's really the only thing that 559 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,440 Speaker 1: her lawyers even have a remote shot yet in trying 560 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 1: to resolve this case. But I have to tell you, 561 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 1: under Elinois law, this doesn't even come close to the 562 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:52,360 Speaker 1: requirements to meet the standards for insanity defense. It simply 563 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:57,400 Speaker 1: doesn't make sense for what the factual situation is to 564 00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 1: fit into the statute, which requires that to sustain in 565 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 1: a sanity defense, the person lacked substantial capacity to appreciate 566 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:10,280 Speaker 1: the criminality of their conduct. Well, you know it hasn't 567 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,920 Speaker 1: come out yet, but in the proverb and apparently this so. 568 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:18,799 Speaker 1: Miss Marino took the victim and two other nieces to 569 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,719 Speaker 1: the same place on Navy Pierre a week ago without permission. 570 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 1: On the day this happened, she stole the keys from 571 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:29,200 Speaker 1: the house, took the child without anybody knowing it, drove 572 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:33,399 Speaker 1: to Navy Pierre, didn't commit any traffic violations. She took 573 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,359 Speaker 1: the child to McDonald's, bought the child a happy meal, 574 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,920 Speaker 1: saw this accident that your last person was talking about 575 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,600 Speaker 1: possible car hitting the child. That she grabbed the child 576 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,320 Speaker 1: and moved it away from the car and then walked 577 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 1: over to where this chain was next to the lake. 578 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,479 Speaker 1: She's looking around, and she waited till people walked away 579 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,400 Speaker 1: so they couldn't see what happened. Dad doesn't fit the 580 00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 1: definition of insanity in this particular case. No, I don't 581 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,239 Speaker 1: think it's gonna go insanity. I think it's going to 582 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,760 Speaker 1: be trying to get a plea deal out of the prosecutor. 583 00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,920 Speaker 1: Can I tell please do It's a little like Andrea Yates. 584 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 1: I mean she was schizophrenic, crazy, psychotic. She said that 585 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:17,279 Speaker 1: the devil made her drown her children. However, she waited 586 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,960 Speaker 1: till her husband Rusty went to work to drown them 587 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 1: and lock the doors and took them one by one 588 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,640 Speaker 1: away and secret to the others wouldn't know what was happening, 589 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,680 Speaker 1: and then said I killed my children. And what tau 590 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 1: And is telling us from Fox thirty two about the video, 591 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 1: herv is right that she waited and looked around to 592 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:41,040 Speaker 1: make sure nobody was there, and then pushed the boy. 593 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,520 Speaker 1: I'm also looking at a photo of her, and she 594 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:50,279 Speaker 1: looks well kept, well groomed, in control of her faculties. 595 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,640 Speaker 1: It looks like she just did her hair outwardly. You 596 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,320 Speaker 1: know when you walk down the street and you see 597 00:36:56,360 --> 00:37:01,200 Speaker 1: a person and you know they're mentally ill, and you 598 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,000 Speaker 1: either try to help him or give them money, or 599 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:08,200 Speaker 1: call community affairs, or you take your children try to 600 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:12,080 Speaker 1: get away. So that's not what I'm seeing when I 601 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:16,520 Speaker 1: look at her. Also, or Miller pointed out, and it's accurate. 602 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:20,840 Speaker 1: Just the week before, Victoria Moreno had snuck children, the 603 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,840 Speaker 1: children out of the home and took them to Navy 604 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,000 Speaker 1: Pier Again, was she going to try to drown all 605 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:30,399 Speaker 1: of them? There? All of them? What we know right 606 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:34,240 Speaker 1: now is a little boy is fighting for his life. 607 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:39,600 Speaker 1: Speaking of that previous incident, that adds fuel to the 608 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:43,440 Speaker 1: flame for prosecutors. Take a listen to our cut fourteen. 609 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:49,480 Speaker 1: This is CBS to Chicago. Da Mordeno in court this Wednesday, 610 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:53,040 Speaker 1: denied vond and charged with attempted first degree murder an 611 00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:57,080 Speaker 1: aggravated battery to a child. Prosecutors say Mordeno took her nephew, 612 00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:00,200 Speaker 1: three year old Josiah Brown, out of his whole Monday 613 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,520 Speaker 1: without the permission from his family. They say Morreno stopped 614 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,640 Speaker 1: at a McDonald's first to get a happy meal. Then, 615 00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:10,000 Speaker 1: prosecutors say Mordno walked Assaiah to the road near the 616 00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,839 Speaker 1: water behind Navy Pier. As he got near the edge 617 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,560 Speaker 1: of the pier, prosecutors say Mordna pushed him with both 618 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,839 Speaker 1: hands in the water. Ashton, King, now that you are 619 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,239 Speaker 1: hearing all of this, when you look back on this 620 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:27,720 Speaker 1: incident as the good Samaritan, what is running through your mind? 621 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:35,320 Speaker 1: Every thing? Just number one, I can't believe I was 622 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:39,880 Speaker 1: putting a situation that Number two, I'm glad I listened 623 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:45,640 Speaker 1: to my instincts right away. There's no rural book, there's 624 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:49,239 Speaker 1: no manual for these things. You're so right, Ashton, and 625 00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,120 Speaker 1: you are setting an example to so many others that 626 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:57,080 Speaker 1: failed to act. We wait and pray for this boy 627 00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:01,600 Speaker 1: to live. Nancy Grace comes are signing off goodbye to 628 00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:05,239 Speaker 1: h