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Speaker 4: Hello to Christiano Karati. And I played so bad and

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Speaker 4: I was hoping they don't watch Best Match?

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Speaker 2: What up, Tonay, it's getting weird. Listen. I gotta give

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Speaker 2: you props.

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 3: You're in a a home with a kid, and I'm

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Speaker 3: going to give all props to every parent out there

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Speaker 3: that has at least one child.

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Speaker 2: One's enough. If you've got more than one, god love you,

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Speaker 2: but you've got one.

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Speaker 3: Caitlin, I saw a great video the other day that

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Speaker 3: said homeschooling is bullshit.

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Speaker 2: This isn't school.

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Speaker 6: It's like it's like trench warfare, Like we just kind

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Speaker 6: of take turns being on the front line, and we're

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Speaker 6: not even the healthcare workers who are actually on the

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Speaker 6: front line actually dealing with this. But it feels like

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Speaker 6: a battle nonetheless. And let me tell you, I look

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Speaker 6: forward to recording and editing these podcast episodes in a

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Speaker 6: way that I never before appreciated. And I listened to

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Speaker 6: them after they recorded and edited because they're such a

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Speaker 6: nice escape.

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Speaker 2: Yes they are.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 3: I hope we're giving some respite to a lot of

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Speaker 3: people out there that are sitting in their homes spending

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Speaker 3: a lot of time either with their kids, or their

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Speaker 3: at this point. But he had been a pretty crazy

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Speaker 3: time in our lives. I mean, we're going to look

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Speaker 3: back on this ten to twenty years. Hopefully we'll be like, geez,

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Speaker 3: remember that time COVID nineteen when we didn't have any tennis.

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Speaker 2: But we've got podcasts. We've got podcasts.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 6: You caught up with one of my absolute favorite players

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Speaker 6: of all time on the phone last week. He is

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Speaker 6: this chat you had with him. First of all, you

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Speaker 6: There's a lot of biographical overlap between the two of

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Speaker 2: Talk about that a little bit. Yeah, it is kind

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Speaker 3: The first time I ever saw goram was I explained

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Speaker 3: I just would see him, you know, and obviously what

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Speaker 6: There's one thing that I want you to explain, because

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Speaker 2: It's so British.

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Speaker 3: One time, no twice, actually I got to go into

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Speaker 6: all right, and they thank you again for making this

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Speaker 6: Without further ado, here.

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Speaker 5: Is you Aron?

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Speaker 2: Even you switch?

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Speaker 5: Hey, Garen? Hey, how are you?

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Speaker 5: I just want to thank you for doing Racket Magazine podcast.

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Speaker 5: We've had a lot of really cool people to do it,

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Speaker 5: world a kind of and Goran venizelt so thanks thanks

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Speaker 4: Us, no problem, was leasure to be there.

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Speaker 5: Goran. You've got like such a great storied life. Actually,

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Speaker 5: We are the same age, seventy one born. I think

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Speaker 5: match for your SEMy. For me, it was a double final,

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Speaker 5: and I remember thinking, oh my god, don't let the

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Speaker 5: occasion overtake what is the most important thing. So I

442
00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:27,720
Speaker 5: would suspect that you made a big it was big

443
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Speaker 5: for you to learn from that serving for the second set,

444
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Speaker 5: because safe to say, if you won the second set,

445
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Speaker 5: you probably would have won the match. What did you

446
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Speaker 5: learn from that moment then?

447
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Speaker 4: Of course, well, I realized that, you know, playing with

448
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Speaker 4: those guys, it's not like a big deal. You know,

449
00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:46,159
Speaker 4: I can, I am capable to do better than semi

450
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Speaker 4: finals and Grand Slam. That I need to be more

451
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Speaker 4: focused serving on this big, big moment, not think on

452
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Speaker 4: the other side of them. I just do what I

453
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Speaker 4: do the best and serve, and I feel that this

454
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Speaker 4: is okay. Was not so actually in bad mood when

455
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Speaker 4: I lost the match. I was kind of disappointed, but

456
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Speaker 4: happy that I reached the semis. But I knew that

457
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Speaker 4: my time will come very soon that I can repeat

458
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Speaker 4: that and do something better when you reach.

459
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Speaker 5: Your next final. I was assuming that you went into

460
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Speaker 5: that match thinking, all right, on grasp against Andrea, I've

461
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,879
Speaker 5: had the experience. Now we know who won, But I

462
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,360
Speaker 5: wasn't you know, knowing and remembering a loss. Was there

463
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Speaker 5: anything at all that you got out of that match?

464
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Speaker 5: Was it the fans, because let's face it, I mean,

465
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Speaker 5: you were so popular, so popular, then do you do

466
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Speaker 5: you remember that? What's the one thing that you probably

467
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Speaker 5: would take back from that match.

468
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Speaker 4: Actually he was the first of all. I was thinking, okay,

469
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Speaker 4: I was actually more nervous like than him, because I

470
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:56,240
Speaker 4: was absolute favorite in that match, ye believe it or not.

471
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Speaker 4: I beat some press, I beat Edward there. He never

472
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 4: won Wimbledon. I beat him before that on hardcourt, on clay,

473
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Speaker 4: so I mean I cannot lose on grass. To be honest,

474
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:15,880
Speaker 4: he was a better player the day he was returning well,

475
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Speaker 4: he I kind of lost myself because he was the

476
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Speaker 4: first guy that stayed back against me there, and I

477
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Speaker 4: was like, I didn't know in the beginning, I was,

478
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Speaker 4: I don't know what to do to stay back, to

479
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Speaker 4: come in. I was kind of my game plan was

480
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 4: kind of lost somewhere. But in the end, he played

481
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 4: a better tennis. He deserved to win. He played better tennis,

482
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Speaker 4: and there was that was that was it, you know.

483
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Speaker 4: I was. I was pretty disappointed because I saw my

484
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Speaker 4: chance and I felt thirty I don't know, thirty five

485
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Speaker 4: eights and I still want the match.

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Speaker 5: You well, I mean, obviously a lot of people remember,

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Speaker 5: I mean, for Andrea that dramatic sort of way that

494
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Speaker 5: he won it. But then against Pete, you know, losing

495
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Speaker 5: in five to him, I'm sure that was obviously you know,

496
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 5: a SERB fift. I think I think you guys, you

497
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,920
Speaker 5: have to admit you and Pete probably changed the dynamic

498
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Speaker 5: of the grass at Wimbledon with that final because it

499
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Speaker 5: was just an acing fat I mean, you guys were

500
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Speaker 5: serving so unbelievable. Do you remember a little bit of that,

501
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Speaker 5: not the contrary but the conversation that went on up that,

502
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 5: like maybe we should slow the grass down. Do you

503
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,399
Speaker 5: think that that inhibited a lot of people like you

504
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,199
Speaker 5: or you know, seven ballets, people that like to come

505
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Speaker 5: into the net. Do you remember that match and the

506
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Speaker 5: conversations after it?

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Speaker 4: I mean, I remember a couple of our matches in Wimbledon.

508
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Speaker 4: We played this ninety four final, ninety eight final, ninety

509
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Speaker 4: five semifinals nineteen ninety ninety two also semifinals, you know,

510
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 4: but again against Pete. There were also more big serving

511
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Speaker 4: guy like Boris and then before us Kevin Kurr and

512
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,640
Speaker 4: I played him there. I mean, I could not pick

513
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 4: hisself for half an hour. So it was just a

514
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 4: grass back then, the faster ball. Grass was fast. Everything

515
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,359
Speaker 4: was faster, and that was from one hundred and twenty

516
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Speaker 4: eight guys on and the draw only a Gussie was

517
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Speaker 4: staying back. Yeah, and you couldnt do anything. It's just

518
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 4: even Landell we were talking there. Back then he was

519
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 4: serving a volleying and how many times Landell's serving during

520
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 4: normal tournaments. So the grass was like that against me

521
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Speaker 4: and suppress. You cannot expect that we're going to some

522
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 4: beautiful tennis. It's just we's going to break first. And

523
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:30,439
Speaker 4: usually he was always the guy who was waiting, waiting

524
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Speaker 4: for my mistake, and somehow he broke me, you know.

525
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Speaker 4: But that nineteen ninety eight final that I regret the most,

526
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Speaker 4: that one that I really played, the better tennis I was,

527
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 4: and somebody showed me the statistics. I lost that final

528
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 4: because of my service, because I was not serving wealth.

529
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Speaker 4: I was breaking very easy I was there, but I

530
00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 4: was not serving well, so my self deserts me there.

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Speaker 4: But you know when you play Pete you can't expect

532
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 4: rellies on the grass in those days.

533
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Speaker 5: How much did that mentally sort of drain you after

534
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Speaker 5: losing that final, because the next couple of years after

535
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Speaker 5: that we were pretty tough. When you lost that final

536
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 5: to in ninety eight, you might have fourced round the four,

537
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 5: but you struggled a little bit for a couple of years.

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00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 4: Yeah. I struggled. Yeah, yeah, that that final really really

539
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 4: really killed me big time. You know, I didn't want

540
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 4: to admit, but I was very disappointed. I suppose I

541
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 4: really felt that this is my time, and slowly I

542
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:41,919
Speaker 4: was going down and down and playing wars and wars.

543
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Speaker 4: Just it was not you know, I was kind of

544
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 4: didn't want to think about that final, but hurt me

545
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,439
Speaker 4: a lot. And then I dropped two one hundred and

546
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Speaker 4: twenty five. I was not injured. Okay, my shoulder was

547
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 4: starting to hurt, but not because of that I drop.

548
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 4: I just I just went into the bad, bad tell

549
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 4: of you know game. I didn't know what to do

550
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,640
Speaker 4: on the court. I didn't feel comfortable on the court

551
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Speaker 4: at all.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I think it's really hard for people to

553
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 5: understand that, like somebody is such a great player and

554
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,400
Speaker 5: had so many great results can sort of go into

555
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 5: the despairing lack of confidence for a period of time.

556
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,199
Speaker 5: I mean, it's hard for people to understand that. But

557
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 5: it happens to everybody.

558
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, it started to for you know, I know that,

559
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 4: you know, when you playing, people are watching. How is

560
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,400
Speaker 4: that possibly? It's easy to stay in front of TV

561
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 4: and you know, have be smart and and but it's

562
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 4: you know, when you it's just you know, I was practiced,

563
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 4: and I remember I lost to like I think ten

564
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 4: first rounds in a row. You know, I was practicing good.

565
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 4: I did everything good. But magic comes. I don't know

566
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 4: what to do. It just blocked. I was, and it

567
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 4: was getting worse and worse and worse. And then this

568
00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 4: two thousand and one game miracle. Because I remember the

569
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 4: two thousand and one I played the qualis. Actually I

570
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 4: asked for the white car for Ossie Open. They didn't

571
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 4: give me. So I played the qualis.

572
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you lost round. Do you remember that match?

573
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 4: And I played the court. I remember I played the court.

574
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 4: First of all, I was looking for the court for

575
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 4: fifteen minutes. It's the last court under this railway, you know.

576
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 4: So I was going and thinking what the heck am

577
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 4: I doing looking for the court that I cannot find

578
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 4: playing Walif and already walk into the court. I already thanked,

579
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 4: which is not nice to say, but I already thanked

580
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 4: the first set. I mean I didn't want to play.

581
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 4: So the match was over in not more than thirty

582
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 4: eight minutes against Peter luksa check guy, and then I

583
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 4: took the plane back. So I was saying to myself, Okay,

584
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 4: you have two options. You stop now or you try,

585
00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 4: but you try, really try. Not this This was a

586
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 4: waste of time and money and and whatever and just

587
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 4: bad for everybody. So I went to play a challenger

588
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 4: in Heilbron, which I did well. Finals, I went to Milan.

589
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 4: I want to run clost to Roger and then slowly

590
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 4: I skipped the old clay court season uh. And then

591
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 4: what happened in Member nine film today, I don't know

592
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 4: why what happened, How did it happen? And some things

593
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 4: you cannot explain. Somethings it's like somebody else was controlling everything.

594
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Speaker 5: You had a bit of divine intervention. You would say

595
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 5: there you obviously after a wild card, you weren't guaranteed

596
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 5: of getting it, being such a great champion and there

597
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 5: in the past it was pretty tough to say no

598
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Speaker 5: to you. I mean, three finals, one semifinal. Do you

599
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 5: remember when I let you know that you had a

600
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Speaker 5: wild card or did you have to did you have

601
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Speaker 5: to wait or did I give it to you pretty quickly.

602
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Speaker 4: I was playing Queens on the day they were deciding,

603
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 4: and I lost to Christiano Karate and I played so bad,

604
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 4: and I was hoping they don't watch that match because

605
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 4: for sure they're not to give me anything. They give

606
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 4: me white cards, not to come, not to play. But

607
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 4: luckily in two thousand and one they didn't have eight

608
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 4: British players to give wild cards too, so they probably

609
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 4: I was like four five guys, but okay, it's okay,

610
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 4: I think go around there one. So luckily they gave

611
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 4: me the white car knowing okay, it's gonna lose only

612
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 4: but if they knew that, I'm gonna oh no, But listen,

613
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 4: I could not beat anybody. And and what I did

614
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Speaker 4: before Wimbledon, which you don't do, you know, one week

615
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 4: before I was bored. I was in hertoken bush, so

616
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Speaker 4: head send me the record and they said this is

617
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 4: the same record, but different color and was completely different records.

618
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 4: So what can you do?

619
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Speaker 2: You know?

620
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 4: One week before Bimbledon, and I said, okay, I can play.

621
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Speaker 4: I cannot play worse than I'm playing. I can play

622
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 4: the same or I can play better. So I'm gonna

623
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 4: keep those records. The only three records.

624
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 2: And I.

625
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 4: Played whole Wimbledon with actually two and a half records,

626
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 4: actually three records, but one record had the bad grip,

627
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 4: so there was only for emergency if I you know,

628
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 4: so three records and also taking it sent me three shirts. Okay, okay,

629
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 4: thank you very much. So when they see that time winning,

630
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 4: they send me whole bags. But I returned that bag.

631
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 4: So I had the three shirts, three records I was

632
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 4: washing every day, and one I trod in the in

633
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 4: the after I beat I think Vetsky lroddy. So I

634
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 4: was thinking, okay, man, now I have to come down.

635
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 4: You have only two shirts.

636
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 2: Now.

637
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 4: Luckily I was not changing the shirt.

638
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 5: Oh you threw it? Yes? Did you think yourself? My

639
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 5: wit a second take? Can I can I get that

640
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 5: back about it?

641
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: Yeah?

642
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 4: But I was thinking, yeah, what I'm doing. I have

643
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 4: only two, but I put in my bag another three records,

644
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 4: all the records, you know, just you know, people they

645
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 4: see I have not only three records, they have like six,

646
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 4: but the other three butre not to use, you know,

647
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 4: so I feel like, look at this professional guy has

648
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 4: a six records, but there are only two and a

649
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 4: half records.

650
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Speaker 5: To be honest, well you you have been obviously. One

651
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 5: of the comments that you said is that one of

652
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,719
Speaker 5: the reasons you love grasses that you can bounce your

653
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 5: record and it wouldn't break. So that was really important.

654
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 4: Actually it was very but I was actually pretty calm.

655
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 4: I said to myself, I felt, you know, every round

656
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 4: that I was winning and playing that I felt something

657
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 4: might happen. And I said, okay, you just need to

658
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 4: keep your cool. Whatever happens, don't no breaking records, no

659
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 4: trying records. Yeah, and I was very very good, and

660
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 4: I was on grass. You don't break the strings, very

661
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 4: very so I was just praying, I mean, I can't

662
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 4: break that. I break two records, the strings, it will

663
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 4: be disaster.

664
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 2: You know.

665
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 5: Thank god, I have a lot of spins that helped.

666
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no spin. So and you know, every match

667
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 4: was was was more and more interested that one semi finals.

668
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 4: But I think that that one Womble don't regret to

669
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:51,919
Speaker 4: give him the mark and I beat.

670
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 5: There was obviously the whole country wanted Henman to win,

671
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 5: but I think there was a I think there was

672
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 5: an underlying group of Brits really loved to see you

673
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 5: have another chance. And when it were you were you

674
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 5: actually excited when when you were in the final and

675
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 5: and Pat the Agasy were you kind of thought of

676
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 5: being that Agacy would be the guy if it's the final,

677
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 5: get get revenge.

678
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 4: Actually I want I wanted to Pat because that is

679
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 4: my great friend and the great guy. And but you

680
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 4: know the funny thing I realized, like a couple of

681
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 4: years after that Augustine was throwing for the match. I

682
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,919
Speaker 4: didn't never include that AUGUSTI was throwing for the match

683
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 4: and against Pet. So I was. I mean, I was

684
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 4: watching somewhere and Tilly I said, Jesus, oh, august throwing

685
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 4: for the match. But I wanted Pet to win because

686
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 4: we both had the chances before and we practiced a

687
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 4: lot whenever when he came on the tour. Because our

688
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 4: coach is my Bob Brett, and his Bob Carmichael was.

689
00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 4: They were good friends. They all from Australia, which their mate, Yeah,

690
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 4: their mate they made and so we were practicing a

691
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 4: lot and I really loved that. So he won his

692
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 4: match and then my roller coaster of three days became

693
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 4: again and it was a very very interesting match, to

694
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:19,240
Speaker 4: be honest.

695
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was Actually we do kind of have this

696
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 5: random thing that I saw you as a as a

697
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 5: kid at the Avenuey Cup in Milan and that was

698
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 5: the year that I won My first double title was

699
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 5: in two thousand and one. And obviously the thing that

700
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 5: we remember so much, other than wedding was the rain.

701
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 5: It was like so much rain that year. There was

702
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 5: so many on and off. Obviously they have the roof,

703
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 5: now we wouldn't have that issue. But I remember having

704
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,399
Speaker 5: to play back to back matches like my double start

705
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 5: and the Car of Black plays three matches on Sunday.

706
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 5: We couldn't Women's finals on Sunday, and of course you

707
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 5: were pushed to Monday, which was probably I was, I remember,

708
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 5: I can tell you the story. So I flew back

709
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 5: to Australia on that Monday, or I was signed to

710
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,919
Speaker 5: the stakes actually, and your match was being played while

711
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 5: I was flying because it was on Monday and it

712
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 5: was the Peace of the Final, they called it. So

713
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 5: they let everyone in and the guy, the pilot camper,

714
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 5: the guy the captain of the plane came on and said,

715
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 5: for those of you interested, Grin Vinisovich, is this one

716
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,280
Speaker 5: Wimbledon eight six and the sixth And I remember thinking,

717
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 5: oh my god, I cannot believe I missed that match.

718
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 5: And I mean part of me, obviously, Pat was obviously

719
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 5: a good he's a good friend of mine, and you know,

720
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 5: I wanted him to win. But then my other part

721
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,280
Speaker 5: of me was like, oh man, I'm so happy for Grin.

722
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 5: So everybody was interested in that, including the pilot of

723
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 5: my my friggin plane. So I mean, go through that, Yeah,

724
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 5: were you happier that it was? And nothing against the

725
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 5: crowds at one woman, because they're friggin amazing, But that

726
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 5: final in particular, that was not so because you had

727
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 5: literally half of Croatia and half of Australia and everyone

728
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 5: that lived in London would that guy.

729
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 4: Actually, that was probably the best tennis atmosphere we played

730
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 4: in Wimbledon. Match was tennis was not the best, but

731
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:18,399
Speaker 4: atmosphere was umber like football, really whole Australian cricket team

732
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:24,439
Speaker 4: was there supporting Pat. I was really really fun to play,

733
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 4: you know. I was really nervous just to begin to play,

734
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 4: and we were both nervous. Was not a beautiful tennis

735
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 4: was interesting set, but.

736
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 5: Like because you were such good friends with you, like

737
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 5: all right, my like you know all the best or

738
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 5: actually we didn't.

739
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 4: We didn't. We didn't talk because I was actually in

740
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 4: the other locker room. I was in the locker room. Yeah,

741
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 4: I was actually not even there. I was on the

742
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 4: street the locker room. Come on, I was in there

743
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 4: at the locker room. So I didn't see Pet for

744
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 4: three days. I played the semis and then I just

745
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 4: saw him before I was entering the court.

746
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 5: The match was incredible. I mean, as you said, the crowd,

747
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,800
Speaker 5: it's kind of was a little up and down, but

748
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 5: it was to be expected that both of you were

749
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 5: nervous and you knew how big a moment it was.

750
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,720
Speaker 5: But take me through that last game because if anyone

751
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 5: ever wants to watch you at your best, as far

752
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 5: as your personality on the court, your emotional ups and downs,

753
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 5: the fact that you have always worn your heart on

754
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 5: your sleeve, I mean that last game was bonkers. I

755
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 5: mean you were on your knees, you were playing. I mean,

756
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 5: who does that?

757
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 4: That game was really crazy. I was watching a couple

758
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 4: of months ago that game. In the first the first point,

759
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 4: the ball was going wide like two meters and I

760
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 4: was there and I said to myself, man, let it go.

761
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,879
Speaker 4: But somehow I hit the vale. I don't know why

762
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 4: I hit the varalie. Nervous game. I was rushing the lot.

763
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 4: I could not put the first serve. I wanted to

764
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 4: finish because first time I was in the final, but

765
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 4: for the title. And then match points, first one with

766
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,439
Speaker 4: the double fold, and I just said to myself, put

767
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 4: the serve in the court. And when I'm nervous, I

768
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,760
Speaker 4: cannot hit the slow serve. I had to hit it harder,

769
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 4: and every time he went to the wrong side. But

770
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,320
Speaker 4: second again double food, and then third, I is actually

771
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 4: pretty good valley and he hit the lobe and my

772
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 4: legs are so heavy that I could not lift up.

773
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 4: I wanted to live, but I was I was blocked,

774
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 4: so I said, come on, this is not happening. So

775
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 4: I thought, okay, fourth match points, fourth final, this is it.

776
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 4: And then I missed the first serve again, and then

777
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 4: somehow I said, Okay, the second selve has to go in.

778
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 4: Just put it in somehow, and and I put it in.

779
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 4: He put it in it and I did that was

780
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 4: I I lost it. I still the the net, thank god,

781
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 4: because I don't know what would happened if they both

782
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 4: stem back.

783
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 5: So I mean, listen, that was obviously a moment that

784
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 5: changed your life. You know, you go back home, there's

785
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 5: one hundred and fifty thousand people in split you like

786
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 5: jump in the water like you just partied it up

787
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 5: for a long time. But I mean, it was such

788
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 5: a deserved win because you really you deserve to win

789
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 5: at least one of those, you know, and I think

790
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,280
Speaker 5: the only person that you could they could even remotely

791
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 5: feel probably worse than you, was you know, when Andy

792
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 5: Roddick couldn't quite get over the line either. So there's

793
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 5: been some great players that have not won there. So

794
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 5: I guess, you know, for you, it was a huge moment.

795
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 5: But you know, I want to transition because like when

796
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 5: you think about all the ups and downs, mentally ups

797
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 5: and downs, all the emotional ups and downs, the hard work,

798
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 5: the digging yourself out of hole to come back and

799
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 5: do what you did at when moment is that you

800
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 5: think what makes you sort of a great coach as

801
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 5: far as not so much the exers and nose of

802
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 5: how to beat somebody, but more the emotional side of

803
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 5: being able to, you know, be able to reach into

804
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 5: what you are as a human being emotionally, to be

805
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 5: able to pass that on to you know, Chileich and

806
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 5: winning the US Open and being able to explain what

807
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 5: you're going to feel and go through and now obviously

808
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 5: around Novak, well, Novak doesn't need to be told how

809
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 5: to win a Grand Slam. But you know, is that

810
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 5: the influence that you feel helped you because of the

811
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,839
Speaker 5: emotional part of you, does that make you a better coach?

812
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 4: Definitely? Definitely definitely helped me a lot. Definitely. I came

813
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 4: and I decided that I want to be a colljer. Luckily,

814
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 4: I have a lot of friends who already became a coach,

815
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 4: So you know, I'm not a guy who thinks that

816
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 4: knows everything. I like to talk to a lot of

817
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 4: people if I can learn something. But definitely when I

818
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 4: start to mar with Maren and when he reached the

819
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 4: final of US Open, that's something that I could talk

820
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 4: to him how it's going to feel on the court,

821
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 4: what he should do. And the good thing that he

822
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 4: played the guy who was also his first Grand Slam finals,

823
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 4: so that was kind of easier. But definitely that what

824
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 4: I felt in my time was emotionally all this loss

825
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:26,720
Speaker 4: is all this helped me to adjust and to become

826
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 4: Actually with Marin what was a really great success, you know,

827
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 4: because nobody expected him to win that US Open and

828
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 4: to pass that experience to him and the way he

829
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 4: played the final like he played already twenty finals before that.

830
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 4: So that was really for me as a coach, was

831
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,720
Speaker 4: satisfying to sit there, watch there and seeing a player

832
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 4: that you coach winning, you know, yes Open, and so

833
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,439
Speaker 4: it's a really big thing.

834
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 1: Is it?

835
00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 5: I get asked myself as obviously I played and coach

836
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:04,280
Speaker 5: as well, and I walk away from coaching some matches

837
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 5: sometimes and just say fuck me, like coaching is so

838
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 5: hard because it's so stressful, you know it? Is it more?

839
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,240
Speaker 5: Do you find it more stressful or do you detach

840
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 5: from the when the office of your players? It more

841
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 5: difficult to play.

842
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 4: Or I think no, most difficult. More difficult is to

843
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 4: coach when you play. I think you deal with your emotions.

844
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 4: You let it go out. You you scream, you yell,

845
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 4: whatever you do. But but there is a coach. You know,

846
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 4: first of all you have to see their cameras on you.

847
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,839
Speaker 4: You have to be and behave, have a good pace.

848
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 4: Pos it is and everything stressful emotions, you know, and

849
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 4: people think, you know, better player, it is, it's going

850
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 4: to be less stressed. But I think it's opposite. Better player,

851
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:52,280
Speaker 4: it is you coach is more stressed. Yeah, more pressure

852
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 4: because they want better results. Now with Novak, you know,

853
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,800
Speaker 4: it's an unbelievable thing to sit there, but you know

854
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 4: with him sometimes finally is not good enough, you know,

855
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 4: and so only winning when when win and you're knowing

856
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 4: sometimes he has to look somewhere you know, hopefully not

857
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 4: but and it's it's very it's not easy to be

858
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 4: you know, people think what you do. You sit there,

859
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 4: you have a good seat and you enjoy not it's

860
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 4: enjoyable when the player plays well and when he wins,

861
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 4: but it's it's it's you know, stressful every day, you know,

862
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 4: practice and somethings that don't work well. And it's not easy.

863
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 4: It's not easy, but it's fun, you know, I really

864
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 4: find myself in that and then I enjoy it.

865
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 5: What's the thing about him? I mean, you've known all

866
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 5: the great You've flighted against all the grapes and you

867
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 5: were great. Like, what's the thing about him that you

868
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:52,359
Speaker 5: still separates him from anyone else?

869
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 4: For example? Let so now in Australia, the transformation, you know,

870
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 4: he was you know, winning and then shut he's not

871
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 4: feeling well in that black hole. And the ability to

872
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 4: turn this around and win the matches. The mentality his

873
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 4: his minds. I never saw that Rafa is a fighter,

874
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 4: but Novak can turn the match out of now you

875
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:25,760
Speaker 4: know that he's really you know, I never saw somebody

876
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 4: like that. His mentals, it's so strong mentally that that's

877
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 4: just fascinating me every time when I see you know,

878
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 4: now I'm seeing closer because I'm sitting there and I'm

879
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,800
Speaker 4: involved the team and that, but I was always before

880
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 4: because he's from Serbia. It's you know, it's the same

881
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:50,359
Speaker 4: mentality creation for THEA and I was his big Frian

882
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 4: before and watching that how he mentally he can do

883
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 4: that is just it's just unbelievable, unbelievable transformation, unbelievable ability.

884
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:01,320
Speaker 4: He's good to do that.

885
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 5: Yeah. I think I think that's what is good about

886
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 5: someone like you as well. And you know, even Boris

887
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,760
Speaker 5: when he had his time coaching and see with Michael,

888
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 5: I think that when you're an emotional I mean, Michael

889
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,399
Speaker 5: wasn't very emotional, but you know, you and Boris were.

890
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 5: I mean, I think when you're an emotionally, you're you're

891
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 5: a great player, but your emotional I think it makes

892
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 5: you appreciate these these these guys so much because you

893
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 5: just think, Wow, it's just I mean, it's just something

894
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 5: that I always admired about stephie Graff. You know, it's

895
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 5: just like they're just like these machines that go out

896
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 5: there and they just put disappointment behind them and can

897
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 5: change something so quickly. Caitlin, my podcost partner, we're getting

898
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 5: to the end of this now. She wanted me to

899
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:47,320
Speaker 5: ask you about your tattoo because she said it's the

900
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 5: craziest friggin tattoo. I think on a tennis player. What

901
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 5: does it symbolize?

902
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 4: First? Some of it I got idea it was ninety

903
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 4: seven or ninety eight in my Actually, I was in

904
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 4: La Storry before after before flying to Miami, so I

905
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 4: was I wanted to put shark cross and rolls, you know,

906
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 4: stark because it's my favorite animal cross because of the

907
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 4: cross and rows of like symbolizing love or so I

908
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 4: did that and it was kind of fun. But then

909
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,320
Speaker 4: I was as you know, actually the guy get me.

910
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:26,439
Speaker 4: I wanted to put on my shoulder, but the guy said,

911
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 4: put it on your back because you don't see it

912
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 4: only in the mirror, so if you don't like it,

913
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,240
Speaker 4: you know you're not going to be upset.

914
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 1: So I I.

915
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 4: So I did it on my back, and after like

916
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 4: ten years after that, I wanted to put something more.

917
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 4: So I put like two hands and like a little

918
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 4: shades around to make it bigger. And that was hurting.

919
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 4: Like five hours I was sitting and I remember saying

920
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,320
Speaker 4: to the guy listening, you have fifteen more minutes. Whatever

921
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,800
Speaker 4: you do, you do after that, I'm getting up and

922
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:10,399
Speaker 4: it's finished. So it was kind of rushing, but it's

923
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 4: fun because sometimes I forget that I have a tattoo.

924
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 4: You only you know when in summertime or you know,

925
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 4: when I see myself on the however, tattoo, you know,

926
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 4: the guy in LA gave me a good advice, you know,

927
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 4: don't put it you know somewhere that you can see

928
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 4: every day because you might get word so like this,

929
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 4: I don't see him. Yeah, and I like it, you

930
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:33,839
Speaker 4: know every time and I see it looks okay, oh good.

931
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 5: Well the next one I get, I'll get it on

932
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:38,359
Speaker 5: my back. I'll think about you. That'll be and I'll

933
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 5: tell you fifteen minutes to do it. Well, Gouran, this

934
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 5: has been like a crazy, crazy, crazy period of our lives.

935
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 5: You know, they haven't canceled Wo Woman since the World War.

936
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 5: Tennis is on sabbatical now for god knows how long,

937
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 5: so we're all fitting at home. We're all trying to

938
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 5: figure out what the hell the next six months of

939
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:02,479
Speaker 5: our lives. It kind of looks like me as a coach,

940
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 5: you as a coach, we're not doing very much right now.

941
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 5: But man, thanks so much for like spending time with

942
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 5: us and telling you some of your great stories. They've

943
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:11,399
Speaker 5: been great.

944
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 4: You're welcome with a pleasure talking to you like always,

945
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 4: And hopefully we going to start I mean my prediction,

946
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 4: I'll try and open next year, not before that, unfortunately,

947
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 4: but hopefully it's still unhealthy and all the people and

948
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:27,479
Speaker 4: virus goes away.

949
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree with my friend. I'd love to see

950
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 5: you in New York, but if not, I know we'll

951
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 5: see you down there at the Happy Slam. It will

952
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 5: be a Happy Slam if it is the first and

953
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 5: only one, that's for sure.

954
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank my friend.

955
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 5: We'll be fifteen next year, so we'll have to celebrate

956
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 5: somewhere together and I'll have a drink with you.

957
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:52,879
Speaker 4: That's definitely definitely Okay. Okay, my friends, Okay, my brother

958
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 4: you too. Okay, by bye.

959
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Speaker 6: Bye, and that's it for this episode of the Racket

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Speaker 6: Magazine pod.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for listening.

962
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 1: Our host is Renee Stoves.

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Speaker 6: Our co host and producer is me Caitlin Thompson. Music

964
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Speaker 6: by internationally renowned DJ Stretch Armstrong. Thanks to Tim Or

965
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Speaker 6: Jerry and the team at ACAST.

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