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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news.

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Speaker 2: And joining us now as someone who briefly worked for

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Speaker 2: Trump but is now supporting Harris. Anthony Scaramucci of Skybridge Capital,

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Speaker 2: who served as White House Communications director during the Trump administration,

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Speaker 2: is with us alongside Bloomberg's Shanali Bossix. So, mister Scaramucie,

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Speaker 2: thank you so much for being with us. You, of

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Speaker 2: course are behind Harris. You don't have kind words often

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Speaker 2: for Donald Trump.

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Speaker 3: We know that.

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Speaker 2: My question is how many people like you do you

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Speaker 2: think are out there people who were used to be

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Speaker 2: supportive of Republicans who were looking for another choice. Do

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Speaker 2: you expect we could see a wave of donors like

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Speaker 2: yourself moving toward Kamala Harris?

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Speaker 3: Well, I certainly think you've seen that. Since the announcement

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Speaker 3: in the switch away from President Biden, one hundreds of

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Speaker 3: millions of dollars have been raised. And these are entrepreneurs, corporations,

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Speaker 3: Silicon Valley billionaires, Wall streeters. There's a whole collection of

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Speaker 3: people that understand the danger of Donald Trump. Obviously, Vice

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Speaker 3: President Harris was talking about Project two zero two to five.

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Speaker 3: I would suggest everybody to read it. Mister Trump is

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Speaker 3: trying to distance himself from it, but all of his

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Speaker 3: acolytes are there writing it right there. Inside Project through

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Speaker 3: twenty five is the deportation of fifteen million immigrants. He

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Speaker 3: says that from the stump, so he's obviously not distancing

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Speaker 3: himself from that, and it represents something that I think

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Speaker 3: is very un American and very dangerous. And just my

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Speaker 3: last point, what Trump wants to do to NATO and

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Speaker 3: how he wants to help dictators and betray our allies

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Speaker 3: is enough not to support him and do everything that

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Speaker 3: we can to help Vice President Harris win the presidency.

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Speaker 4: I'm really curious about what your friends in the Republican

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Speaker 4: Party are also saying about Project twenty twenty five and

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Speaker 4: how divisive it is. What does this mean for the

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Speaker 4: Trump ticket moving forward, particularly with JD. Vance as his

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Speaker 4: running mate.

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Speaker 3: Well, listen, I think the President's having a hard time

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Speaker 3: with JD. Vance. I don't think he liked the nomination speech.

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Speaker 3: I don't think he likes the showing of JD. Vans. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: President Trump is a little bit of a stage actor

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Speaker 3: and a casting director, and JD. Vance is not well casted.

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Speaker 3: He's frankly, very dull. Maybe the JD. Stands were just

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Speaker 3: dull Vance, I'm not sure, and so I expect a

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Speaker 3: very big strain between the two of them. Moreover, mister

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Speaker 3: Trump's selection of JD. Vance is not really expanding his electability.

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Speaker 3: I think that was a cocky selection born from short

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Speaker 3: term rising poll numbers. So he's doubled down, downing on

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Speaker 3: the nonsense. And I would just ask you to look

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Speaker 3: at some of the political philosophy of Vance and the

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Speaker 3: ideas behind a post constitutional America that he and his

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Speaker 3: friends often mentioned. And so this is super, super dangerous

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Speaker 3: for the United States.

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Speaker 4: That doesn't mean for the vice presidential pick that Harris

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Speaker 4: could choose moving forward, because you and I talked to

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Speaker 4: some of the same people, and in the Republican Party,

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Speaker 4: in even among the deans, you have had people who

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Speaker 4: are thinking about either voting or donating more towards the

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Speaker 4: Democratic ticket. Now, so who does Kamala Harris need to

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Speaker 4: choose to gain broader support?

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Speaker 3: So I think she's going to choose Senator Kelly from Arizona.

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Speaker 3: I think Mark is a great guy. He's got a

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Speaker 3: lot of different things that can help Senator Harris. I

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Speaker 3: believe not only does he help her in places like

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Speaker 3: her in Virginia because of his status as a veteran,

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Speaker 3: and he is somebody who is colorful and charismatic. He

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Speaker 3: also because of the tragedy that happened to his wife

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Speaker 3: related to gun violence. I think there's a very interesting

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Speaker 3: narrative there that they can tell together. So I'm hoping

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Speaker 3: that he picks her. If he doesn't pick I'm sorry,

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Speaker 3: I'm hoping he picks him. If she doesn't pick him,

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Speaker 3: there's other very capable people, but I like him the best.

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Speaker 2: Well as we can cons what you like. We obviously

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Speaker 2: know of your affection for a crypto Anthony, and there

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Speaker 2: is a question of what kind of crypto policy a

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Speaker 2: crypto advocate in the House, and asked him about this.

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Speaker 2: This is what he told me.

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Speaker 1: I'm really hopeful that we're going to see a little

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Speaker 1: bit of a reset from Vice President Harris. I'm working

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Speaker 1: behind the scenes to encourage them to embrace digital innovation

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Speaker 1: to keep those jobs here in the United States. So

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Speaker 1: I'm hopeful that we'll see, you know, some good comments

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Speaker 1: come out of this new campaiging. We're seeing Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: going to Tennessee on Saturday to give a major speech

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Speaker 1: on crypto. We can't let this be apart a part

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Speaker 2: So, Anthony, my question to you is, given everything we're

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Speaker 2: if he does get a second turn in the Oval office,

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Speaker 2: why should someone believe that Kamala Harris would be a

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Speaker 2: better president for a crypto than him.

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Speaker 3: Well, I would say three three number one. She is

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Speaker 3: from the Silicon Valley neighborhood. Her being from California, she

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Speaker 3: understands the need for innovation. Younger Democrats support crypto. Older

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Speaker 3: Democrats like Elizabeth Warren do not support it. She represents

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Speaker 3: a new age of Democrats. You guys reported on this,

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Speaker 3: so I'll talk about it. I was at an event

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Speaker 3: two weeks ago with Mark Cuban, Mark Mike Novograts, with

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Speaker 3: Anita Dunn and others. It was sponsored by Roe Kanna

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Speaker 3: and it was an effort to explain to people in

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Speaker 3: the Democratic Party how important it is to embrace propitious

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Speaker 3: and fair crypto regulation. And I think they're going to

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Speaker 3: make steps to do that. You know that she was

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Speaker 3: thinking about going to the Bitcoin conference. I don't think

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Speaker 4: How much does she need to really core the crypto

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Speaker 4: community in this election cycle. We've seen a lot of

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Speaker 4: crypto money in politics this cycle around in in prior cycles, frankly,

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Speaker 4: and also a lot of concern around what a regulatory

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Speaker 4: environment would look like under another Democratic administration. Would she

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Speaker 4: need a new SEC chief that's not Gary Ginstler to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think she's going to take steps. I mean,

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Speaker 3: she's had a very busy calendar over the last five

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Speaker 3: some time to gel her policies. I think this will

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Speaker 3: be a dramatic new generation reset for the Democrats. Democrats

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Speaker 3: always do better soniality when they are bolder and doing

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Speaker 3: things that are risk taking. It's Barack Obama against a

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Speaker 3: war veteran like John McCain, where it's Bill Clinton against

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Speaker 3: This represents a very stark contrast. She's now going up

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Speaker 3: and I think she's a very small, practical person. So

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Speaker 3: let's give her some time to lay out her policies.

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Speaker 3: She may miss some cryptocurrency donations, but I think she's

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Speaker 3: cryptocurrency industry, and I like where we're going, Anthony.

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Speaker 4: Before I let you go, of course, we have to

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Speaker 4: ask you about Skybridge as well. Bitcoin was a huge

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Speaker 4: boon for you. You guys have made a lot of

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Speaker 4: money in the crypto industry, but there still have been

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Speaker 4: a number of investors who have asked for their money back.

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Speaker 4: What is your plan for this fun Do you plan

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Speaker 4: to keep it operating or do you plan to return

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Speaker 4: money to investors at a greater scale.

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Speaker 3: So you know, and I appreciate your journalist Kathy Burton

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Speaker 3: writing about me every six or so month. She makes

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Speaker 3: me very relevant and every time she writes about me,

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Speaker 3: we go up ten or twenty percent. So I hope

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Speaker 3: she continues to write about me. But it's very plain

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Speaker 3: and simple. People signed a perspective with Skybridge. We do

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Speaker 3: let people out on a bi annual basis. Right now,

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Speaker 3: that tender is at five percent. That's where it's scheduled.

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Speaker 3: We work with our independent board to do that. Some

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Speaker 3: people are saying that we need to increase the tender,

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Speaker 3: but you have to remember something. The Wirehouses decided to

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Speaker 3: sell Skybridge at the bottom or up one hundred and

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Speaker 3: fifty or so percent. Since they did that, and it

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Speaker 3: was very very important for us as fiduciary is to

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Speaker 3: maintain the integrity of that portfolio. We have a lot

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Speaker 3: of privates in that portfolio as an example, and we

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Speaker 3: couldn't just have people rushing to the door with the

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Speaker 3: with the private equity. It just wasn't fair. And if

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Speaker 3: you look at the circumference of the perspectus, as I've

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Speaker 3: told Kathy Birth and others, Burden and others, we operate

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Speaker 3: inside the circumference of that people are getting out of

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Speaker 3: Skybridge every six months. Every time they do it, unfortunately

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Speaker 3: making a mistake because we've had the best twenty four

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Speaker 3: months of performance in the nineteen year history of Skybridge,

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Speaker 3: but we are letting people out. I think it's a

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Speaker 3: miss snomer. And you know what I would appreciate from

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Speaker 3: a miss Burton if he doesn't mind pick up the

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Speaker 3: phone and call me, I'd be very happy to explain

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Speaker 3: it to her as carefully as I'm explaining it to you.

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Speaker 3: I do appreciate you giving me the opportunity to talk

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Speaker 3: about it, but people signed up for that. Imagine you're

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Speaker 3: in a private equity fund and you have a ten

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Speaker 3: I got to get out right now two years into

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Speaker 3: the position. Well, I'm sorry, that was the deal. And

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Speaker 3: remember your co entangled with other investors and so you

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Speaker 2: All right, We appreciate your time. Anthony Scaramucci, Skybridge Capital

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Speaker 2: founder and former Trump White House Communications director, joining me

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Speaker 2: with Lumberg shan Ali Bosic this evening. Thank you so much,