Speaker 1: Zack Low wants the NBA Finals to return to the
Speaker 1: two three, two four mat No, what you think, Joe?
Speaker 2: What you think, Brandon? That's a tough one man, look,
Speaker 2: because if you going there and win on somebody at
Speaker 2: home court, just like Indiana did in Game one, and
Speaker 2: and you got three games at home, man, a lot
Speaker 2: of teams ain't coming back from that.
Speaker 1: Uh right, they did that because they used to fly commercial,
Speaker 1: so they want to make sure they would not.
Speaker 3: Everybody got your own private plane.
Speaker 1: So you get two games, yo, just stay there, you
Speaker 1: stay there in the city, blah blah blah, and then
Speaker 1: when you pack it up, you come on back.
Speaker 3: But now with everybody got their own flight the bread
Speaker 3: and Joe, now what I.
Speaker 4: Mean, why does he want that? That'll make no sense
Speaker 4: to me, because if you are if you want all
Speaker 4: these games, you put yourself on the line. You put
Speaker 4: yourself in a position where you want those first two
Speaker 4: games at home, yeah, and the other places home and
Speaker 4: then that.
Speaker 3: Dennis back and forth.
Speaker 4: I start feeling that because, as you said, what during
Speaker 4: the eighties, it was hard because we had to fly commercial.
Speaker 4: We had to go from LA to Boston plan the
Speaker 4: Lakers at that time, I remember Jack Nicholson being the
Speaker 4: first class whips and you know, we just kind of
Speaker 4: hanging out, had a good time. Them flights were difficult, man,
Speaker 4: they were Joe.
Speaker 3: They didn't want to give you no damn food, I
Speaker 3: mean stepping up that.
Speaker 4: And on top of that you have people damn smoking
Speaker 4: the cigarettes right beside you.
Speaker 3: So don't don't shany you don't know nothing about that.
Speaker 1: You want no no, But I've heard that you guys
Speaker 1: that regular people, well were regular people on your flight
Speaker 1: for us.
Speaker 4: Sy besides you asking you ask you yes, yeah, because
Speaker 4: we were going through the airport.
Speaker 3: We'll come to the airport with no security. Here was
Speaker 3: the security right here.
Speaker 4: He run up on somebody out there, but those security
Speaker 4: and none of all this other stuff. No being protected
Speaker 4: by the NBA. No, it was a different league then,
Speaker 4: and you had to protect yourself. You had to be
Speaker 4: more of an adult. He had to really focus on
Speaker 4: what you did because I'm telling you what the eighties,
Speaker 4: the women in the eighties, they were presidents.
Speaker 3: Man. Oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, christ be good.
Speaker 1: We had breaking news today. Kevin Durant has been traded
Speaker 1: to the Rockets. The Sons traded KD to the Rockets
Speaker 1: for Jalen Green Dylan Brooks, the number ten pick in
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty five draft, five second round picks. KD
Speaker 1: was thatt fanatics fest when someone captured the moment when
Speaker 1: KD and his agent Rich Climbing found out let's take
Speaker 1: a look at this video, guys.
Speaker 3: So I'm not surprised. I'm not surprised by this.
Speaker 1: There was only a handful of teams that had maybe
Speaker 1: some players, and to pick the compensation, the Suns messed
Speaker 1: this up.
Speaker 3: Look. I like Matt Ishmat. I met him several times.
Speaker 1: He's a great guy, but he gave up too much
Speaker 1: to get Kevin Durant and he was never going to
Speaker 1: reciprocate that because he's two years older than when you
Speaker 1: got it. So now you're not gonna be able what
Speaker 1: you gave up to get him, You're not gonna be
Speaker 1: able to get that back.
Speaker 3: That we know you want him gone.
Speaker 1: He knows you want him gone, and everybody else knows
Speaker 1: you want him gone.
Speaker 3: And so oh yo plus Miami.
Speaker 1: They turned down Miami's package because I told you they
Speaker 1: didn't have enough to get They didn't have anything him
Speaker 1: hadcares hobbit, hot smell what.
Speaker 5: Hey, I have a question though some some of you
Speaker 5: just said something. You just said, right, Yes, Kevin dur
Speaker 5: read one of prolific scores of all time.
Speaker 3: You said Isa did too much to get him, gave
Speaker 3: up too much to get it.
Speaker 5: Yes, but because the player he is, that's why he
Speaker 5: did what he had to do to actually get a
Speaker 5: player that magnitude. Now, the reason you got him was
Speaker 5: your hope. What you put an investment into him. You
Speaker 5: hope it turned out and came to fruition.
Speaker 3: It just didn't.
Speaker 5: And normally when you buy a car, where you buy
Speaker 5: a car off the car line, right, and as soon
Speaker 5: as you drive it off, what does it do but appreciate? Well,
Speaker 5: so you understand when you get a player of that
Speaker 5: magnitude as great as he is, a great as he is,
Speaker 5: and he's.
Speaker 3: Older now you're still not gonna get back what you
Speaker 3: bought for him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I think the thingy y'all is that when
Speaker 1: you look at what you look, you got KD and book.
Speaker 1: Did you really need Bradley Beal? Did you really need
Speaker 1: Bradley Bill Or do I need to secure my do
Speaker 1: I need to get them for my bench? So now
Speaker 1: I take trade more draft capital and give up more players.
Speaker 1: So now they don't have a first round picking until
Speaker 1: twenty thirty one. You don't realize that's twenty twenty five, right, Well,
Speaker 1: and that's why I.
Speaker 3: Think it's a good trade for Phoenix stuff.
Speaker 4: If you're talking about Phoenix is gonna be able to
Speaker 4: do some of these things and possibly get a pig
Speaker 4: and all this gaint Kevin Durant to me, goes there.
Speaker 4: I think instantly, to me, he makes them more quiable
Speaker 4: when I think about having a score with them, young
Speaker 4: them young bulls.
Speaker 3: He got playing with the locker there. Give I make
Speaker 3: that trade off that I love, I like him better
Speaker 3: and I like him better than Houston. That I did.
Speaker 3: And then then in Phoenix, I agree, you're you're not
Speaker 3: picking out.
Speaker 1: You got Goon, you got Shing Goon, you got Armin Thompson,
Speaker 1: you re signed Van Fleet.
Speaker 3: You you were able to keep Jabari Smith Jr.
Speaker 1: So now and plus the problem that Houston had, they
Speaker 1: had the second best record in the in the West,
Speaker 1: fifty two wins, but they didn't have a guy that
Speaker 1: you can give the ball to Layton the ball game
Speaker 1: and go get your bucket.
Speaker 3: You now have that. Yeah, how long. How long? How long?
Speaker 3: Do Joe? I know, I know you ain't so choke.
Speaker 4: Look it to be about thirty six, thirty seven, thirty
Speaker 4: seventh telling and you're gonna let And I love k D,
Speaker 4: but you're you're putting them in a position.
Speaker 3: Where you're going to have him carry your team late
Speaker 3: to go get buckets.
Speaker 2: I think I think he's gonna be I think he's
Speaker 2: naturally gonna do that laden games. I love the fact
Speaker 2: that he's with a bunch of young cats, like some
Speaker 2: Ryan and young Kats, who's gonna work hard, play hard,
Speaker 2: and he ain't.
Speaker 3: Gonna have to. I don't think he's gonna have to
Speaker 3: do a lot of heavy lifting. Guys. They got some
Speaker 3: guys who can play over there, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: They got some guys gonna come into their own obviously,
Speaker 2: they gonna play through Shing Goon And like you said,
Speaker 2: I'm glad they kept Jabari Smith for another tall, long,
Speaker 2: long guy who can shoot the ball, who can post up,
Speaker 2: who can play multiple positions, and uh led by Van Fleet.
Speaker 2: I think they have a great team over there, and
Speaker 2: I think KD can put him over the hump. I
Speaker 2: don't think it's gonna be rigorous on him as far
Speaker 2: as you know, uh him trying to carry that team.
Speaker 3: I think collectively they're gonna do a great job.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 2: Naturally, he's gonna be the cream of the crop when
Speaker 2: he comes to scoring the basketball because he does it
Speaker 2: so well and it comes so easy to him.
Speaker 1: I mean, and plus, you got three guys six chep Better,
Speaker 1: you got six eleven. You got six eleven KD you
Speaker 1: got six eleven. Shin Good, you got six ten. Jabari Parker,
Speaker 1: you got in Thompson at six to seven. You got
Speaker 1: vad Fleet that can run the I like this, I
Speaker 1: like I like, like I said, I like KD here
Speaker 1: more than I liked them in Phoenix because all you
Speaker 1: had was offense. They didn't have rebounding, they didn't have
Speaker 1: rent protecting, they didn't they didn't have great depth. Because
Speaker 1: think about what you gave up to get it. You
Speaker 1: gave up your best defender in Michael Bridges. You gave
Speaker 1: up a young Cam Johnson, you gave up what three
Speaker 1: first round draft picks. That's an awful lot to give
Speaker 1: them for a guy. And now and now you go
Speaker 1: trade for Bradley Bill, which weakens you even more. As
Speaker 1: far as draft, compensation and depth. For you, bitch, these
Speaker 1: teams that played in the NBA Finals, what do they
Speaker 1: have depth?
Speaker 3: Depth?
Speaker 2: Now, they might not be as good as the Big
Speaker 2: three for Phoenix, but Phoenix had once you got once
Speaker 2: you got booked and Katie out of the game. Now
Speaker 2: he look, my question is what is Phoenix gonna look
Speaker 2: like with Devin Booker, Jalen Green and Bradley Bill.
Speaker 3: I mean them three are pretty much of the same guy,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. I said that when they
Speaker 3: got I said that when they.
Speaker 4: Got whiteout White Joe, one of the things could happen.
Speaker 4: And I've been hearing this that there might be a
Speaker 4: possibility of Boston making moves. What's gonna happen? Or you're
Speaker 4: gonna keep corzincas here. You have a big hole over
Speaker 4: there in Phoenix right now. Can you go out and
Speaker 4: get one of those guys or Boston and make and
Speaker 4: get that pick or want to get that pick up
Speaker 4: for maybe for zingis to put him in that position.
Speaker 4: You know, Joe, that once you get traded to a
Speaker 4: team doesn't necessarily mean you need to stop chap. You know,
Speaker 4: your bags don't need to be unpacked. You need to
Speaker 4: keep it back back because you might be moving on
Speaker 4: in the new NBA.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Rocket fans don't seem to be happy with the KD trade.
Speaker 2: One tweeted, it happened today was my last day as
Speaker 2: a Rocket fan. I wish the worst and the absolute
Speaker 2: worst on this franchise.
Speaker 1: Trading a twenty three year old superstar for a washed
Speaker 1: forty y old in genually the worst thing you could
Speaker 1: ever do. I hope Katie retires next season and that
Speaker 1: the franchise can ply crumbles.
Speaker 3: Damn KD.
Speaker 1: KD also spoke to Kay Adams today and said Phoenix
Speaker 1: wanted him gone. Let's take a listen to what Kadie had.
Speaker 3: To say last one for you.
Speaker 4: A lot of heartbroken Sons fans right now, what would
Speaker 4: you like to say that's not true?
Speaker 3: No, literally heartbroken Sons fan right over there.
Speaker 6: I just I just saw, like, yeah, that mean they
Speaker 6: wanted me to go. So it's like, I'm glad we
Speaker 6: both you know, they got what they wanted, what I wanted,
Speaker 6: so we can move on and good luck to them
Speaker 6: going forward. And I always remember my time there, but
Speaker 6: we're own something else.
Speaker 3: Hey.
Speaker 2: I don't see nothing wrong with what he said because
Speaker 2: it wasn't It wasn't him who came to them asking
Speaker 2: and looking for a trade. He found out they were
Speaker 2: trying to trade him. So as athletes, we know when
Speaker 2: you it's basically saying you don't want us, Okay, it's
Speaker 2: somebody out there who will take me. It's somebody out
Speaker 2: out there who do want me. And he was able
Speaker 2: to give him a few teams that he wanted to
Speaker 2: go play with. So give a Sun's credit for even
Speaker 2: trading him to Houston, Texas, to Texas because that was
Speaker 2: one of.
Speaker 3: The stops that he wanted to go.
Speaker 1: Well, he knew the Suns, excuse me, the Rockets, the Spurs,
Speaker 1: Uh no, yeah, the Rockets, the Spurs Brooklyn were really
Speaker 1: the only the handful of team that had the draft
Speaker 1: capital to go get it.
Speaker 3: So he had no choice. I mean he he couldn't
Speaker 3: go to Miami. Come Miami, don't have anything to halt
Speaker 3: per for him.
Speaker 1: Your two best players are untouchable Tyler, he wrote, and
Speaker 1: bam and you see the package himy hot care Junior
Speaker 1: Hobbitch hot Smith.
Speaker 3: It's like absolutely not absolutely.
Speaker 4: Dude, dude, what did what did we think that? Because
Speaker 4: they had to make that move, how they were offensively. Indeed,
Speaker 4: the only person of the book that you're going to
Speaker 4: be anything more on that team was kated. So in
Speaker 4: his case, they had to make that move. They had
Speaker 4: to go out and say, dude, you you can go on.
Speaker 4: And here's the thing that me and Joe love about
Speaker 4: this to whet They go, oh, I know to a
Speaker 4: damn state that they ain't got no damn state income.
Speaker 3: How about that? How about that?
Speaker 1: There was a back and forth Boogie Cousins a few
Speaker 1: days ago regarding the report the sons had multiple fist
Speaker 1: fights in the locker room. Kevin Durrad says, I have
Speaker 1: to contest this ninety four footer. This some bull drive
Speaker 1: to throw on us. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we were trashed
Speaker 1: this year, ha haha. But we never got close to this.
Speaker 3: Never.
Speaker 1: The Phoenix Sun reportedly had multiple fist fights in the
Speaker 1: locker room her Boogie cousins. The bookie says the source
Speaker 1: was one of your teammates killers. I ain't referencing you,
Speaker 1: referring to you, save that is for the other homies.
Speaker 5: Anytime the a a Joe Bread, anytime something like that
Speaker 5: get out, you know, it always it always comes from
Speaker 5: from one of the players.
Speaker 3: It comes from locker room always. That's the only that's
Speaker 3: the only time I hate my stuff. I hate stuff
Speaker 3: like that happened too. Man, you know, I hate when dude,
Speaker 3: I hope when dudes beat chatty patty.
Speaker 5: When something goes on the locker room, it's supposed to
Speaker 5: stay right there, supposed to stay right there.
Speaker 3: God God be pillow talking.
Speaker 5: And okay, if it's fight, man, everybody fight, who don't fight?
Speaker 5: It happens in training camp. Did y'all fight in training camp?
Speaker 3: Yep? You know, I mean it happens all what never
Speaker 3: happened in the locker room and stayed in the locker room.
Speaker 3: You know, if you didn't cap, if they ain't.
Speaker 4: Cat Oh, it doesn't No, it doesn't. H it doesn't
Speaker 4: stay know what I'm saying. I know you're but here's
Speaker 4: what happened. Does you're saying right now?
Speaker 3: It's pillow talk. You go tell your wife something, You
Speaker 3: go tell your girl. You don't know how those stories go.
Speaker 4: You tell her, she tells somebody else and linless all
Speaker 4: is going in the woods. So a lot of gums
Speaker 4: what we have in the NBA, our wives and girlfriends,
Speaker 4: and now it's moms who who have a lot of
Speaker 4: ship going on because they have they have amount of power. Now, Joe,
Speaker 4: it's not like back in the day. Back in the day,
Speaker 4: girlfriends were quiet. They said nothing about no damn basket.
Speaker 4: They talked about everything else, but not about basketball. And
Speaker 4: now they think they're blending.
Speaker 3: The damn game. I'm like, really, you don't play it.
Speaker 3: I didn't see you on the other side doing anything.
Speaker 3: I didn't.
Speaker 1: Reports say the Sons will look to reroute Jalen Green
Speaker 1: to another team.
Speaker 3: I can see that. That makes sense.
Speaker 5: I think, huh, hold on, I'm tripping. Now you trade
Speaker 5: KD for Jalen Green. Now you want to ship Jaen
Speaker 5: Green somewhere else? And then I see reports they also
Speaker 5: about a buyof with Brandy Bill.
Speaker 3: What the hell going on?
Speaker 1: Because, oh, Joe, brandy Z, Brandley Bill and Lebron are
Speaker 1: one of the two players, two players that have no trade.
Speaker 1: So you can't move Brandley Bill where he doesn't want
Speaker 1: to go. So the best and it's like, you know what,
Speaker 1: let's just go ahead and bite this bullet, get up
Speaker 1: off this and move in a different direction.
Speaker 3: So how would Bradley beal look down here, mammy, since
Speaker 3: he is a prolific scorer. He is a scorer. He
Speaker 3: don get eighty ninety percent of his money. He can
Speaker 3: look good wherever he choose to go.
Speaker 7: Come on, hey, let me let me to me, Let
Speaker 7: me let me take you man trying to get free
Speaker 7: in Miami. Hey, well listen, we can use a score
Speaker 7: like that. Now, look at what he did on the Wizards,
Speaker 7: and look what happened. There's too many people touching the
Speaker 7: guy there.
Speaker 2: It don't It don't take nothing to be a good
Speaker 2: score on a bad team. You're talking about you talking
Speaker 2: about No, I'm saying, it doesn't take anything.
Speaker 3: Bread you know this about team.
Speaker 1: It don't take much to be a top not scorer
Speaker 1: because who cares you getting yards beat out anyway?
Speaker 3: So don't know about that.
Speaker 4: That's that's the one where they'll say I said that
Speaker 4: one time to coach Patino. One time I was talking
Speaker 4: about Paul and I was talking about inch one and
Speaker 4: that's one that would beat the out over themselves.
Speaker 3: And I was I was one of the reporters.
Speaker 4: I said, so Paul and Antoine, you know they got
Speaker 4: their numbers tonight, coach, and he turned to me out.
Speaker 4: I was just embarrassed. I've ever been, he said, turning
Speaker 4: to me, he said, the numbers are to loosers. I
Speaker 4: don't give a shit what about them scoring no baskets all.
Speaker 4: So you're right in the NBA, on a bad team,
Speaker 4: you can look really good scoring the basketball because you're
Speaker 4: the only thing they have. But when you plug that
Speaker 4: into a good team, do you get wins because of that?
Speaker 4: And you can see what having with Bradley Field. He
Speaker 4: leaves Washington and goes to everybody said, oh that they're
Speaker 4: they're gonna be in them because in court. He goes
Speaker 4: now to Phoenix and he ain't shooting that way no more.
Speaker 4: He ain't getting them. He ain't getting what you say,
Speaker 4: Joe back and then he getting touched like that, ain't gonna.
Speaker 2: Get down because you don't. You don't get to take
Speaker 2: all them bad shots. You don't get to come out
Speaker 2: and say, you know what, I'm gonna get me twenty
Speaker 2: five thirty shots tonight, no matter what.
Speaker 1: On a good team with other good players, it's not
Speaker 1: like that, especially when you have multiple good players on
Speaker 1: said teams. Now, maybe if he goes if it could
Speaker 1: be a situation like okay, see j Dubbs and shape
Speaker 1: gonna get the Lion's share of the shots. Like tonight,
Speaker 1: Shae was eight of twenty seven j double seven or twenty.
Speaker 1: Now they got forty seven of the eighty seven shots.
Speaker 1: Two guys took over half the shots. Okay, but now
Speaker 1: you put Bradley Beal, you put it with KD and Book,
Speaker 1: ain't enough bad shots.
Speaker 3: To go around. Yeah, they're gonna be looking at you crazy.
Speaker 1: You come down taking bad shots, some of the bad
Speaker 1: shots that you were able to take and get away
Speaker 1: with when you.
Speaker 3: Were with the Wizards. I agree.
Speaker 2: When you're playing with other great players, man, you have
Speaker 2: to try to find a way to be efficient. I
Speaker 2: take you'all, guys back to two thousand and five, two
Speaker 2: thousand and four, when I was playing with the Phoenix.
Speaker 3: Sun Nash was the MVP.
Speaker 4: You had a.
Speaker 3: Mars Stott, Myer was a Premier All Star shun Man.
Speaker 2: It was a Premier All Star, and as your fourth option,
Speaker 2: which was me, I wanted to be efficient.
Speaker 3: I shot.
Speaker 2: I shot forty eight percent from the three, and every
Speaker 2: time I took a shot, I wanted to I wanted
Speaker 2: to make it count because I know I was gonna
Speaker 2: get many of them.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? I wanted to I did.
Speaker 3: I knew Listen, I knew the ones that I did
Speaker 3: get bread. I had to be damn that your brother
Speaker 3: make it inefficient, hear me. So I did what I
Speaker 3: had to do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I only got a chance to play on
Speaker 2: that with them guys or Nash for one year, and
Speaker 2: I thought we had a special, special team, but unfortunately
Speaker 2: we got some new ownership that came in and you know,
Speaker 2: thought otherwise.
Speaker 4: But Joe, that made it, That made it possible for
Speaker 4: you to go to another team though, and highlighted what
Speaker 4: you were able to do on that particular team with
Speaker 4: not a lot of shots. And I think that's why
Speaker 4: you were able to go someplace else. And all of
Speaker 4: a sudden, you know, you get the ice soaked Joe thing.
Speaker 2: But look, it goes back to what UNC said and
Speaker 2: I got when I got to Atlanta. My first couple
Speaker 2: of years, I'm averaging twenty twenty five, twenty six a game.
Speaker 3: But hell if cause we can the noose believe beat
Speaker 3: up out Hey, Hey Joe. And when you when you
Speaker 3: were in Phoenix.
Speaker 2: Started out with the man, he was uh way before
Speaker 2: his time. Oh Joe, the boy was so wrong when
Speaker 2: he came he came in straight out of high school.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, yeah, he came in. Man, I'm talking about
Speaker 2: just running through cats. He was going through you and
Speaker 2: wasn't going around you.
Speaker 3: He was going through you.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about I seen him go ahead to head
Speaker 2: with Tim Duncan, Kevin Chris Webber.
Speaker 3: I'm talking about the elaps. Yeah.
Speaker 2: That boy was special. Man, he's special. Oh that well,
Speaker 2: that's your problem. That's Lake well that's all you all
Speaker 2: about is Lake well l Order, Lake Welles, Florida. Ain't
Speaker 2: in Lake wells Ford, Florida.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that must be. You mean Lakeland, Lakeland, I think
Speaker 3: because he always about him ROYD Jones, all this, all
Speaker 3: this do Oh it's k ok okay, okay, okay, okay, Yeah,
Speaker 3: that the road right. How do all these athletes come
Speaker 3: out of there? Flora? Oh it's the water, baby, It
Speaker 3: ain't nothing but the water. You know. Listen, we we
Speaker 3: produce some different down here, We produce some different that.
Speaker 2: Weather we look at where the look at the best
Speaker 2: athletes they come out of what warm weather? California, Texas, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana.
Speaker 2: I mean, because you got you got like ideal you
Speaker 2: got ideal climate and you know us, we like warm weather.
Speaker 3: We'll like the cold.
Speaker 1: Like we like warm weather. And for the most part,
Speaker 1: you can do a lot of things a lot a
Speaker 1: lot longer.
Speaker 2: Yes, so you know, you get warm weather a lot longer,
Speaker 2: and you don't get those you know, those those long
Speaker 2: winners in short summers, you get long summers.
Speaker 3: But if you go look at that, look at the
Speaker 3: foot look at basketball.
Speaker 1: Let's just take basketball, uh foot Spacely football ain't even close.
Speaker 1: All the football playing from the outside California, Texas losing
Speaker 1: out of Georgia, Florida, Florida South County and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: But I think that's what it has to do.
Speaker 1: It has to do with if you go back and
Speaker 1: look at it, look at where most of the athletes
Speaker 1: come from.
Speaker 4: Damn, I was from North Carolina. I'm sorry, come on,
Speaker 4: you can look back. Y'all got a fergy.
Speaker 3: In North Carolina.
Speaker 4: Might have the greatest basketball a lot of basketball players
Speaker 4: ever put together.
Speaker 3: I'm more than Chicago. Oh hell yeah, I'm taking Jordan
Speaker 3: Jordan Worsey from.
Speaker 2: Where where got a few Well, you hey, it used
Speaker 2: to be New York, you know, you New York where
Speaker 2: the heart.
Speaker 4: Doue Dominique words from North Carolina, Buck Williams, Dominique, James Worthy,
Speaker 4: that sleepy floor, that's a that's a ton of guys.
Speaker 4: You don't even talk about. Bob mcindo, one of the
Speaker 4: greatest of all time, Blaze for he's from Greensboro.
Speaker 3: I mean, there was so many great players, David Thompson
Speaker 3: that people won't even talk about it anymore. He was
Speaker 3: before Jeorde. He was, damn it. I tell you what.
Speaker 3: I was guarding the one time Joey walk and I
Speaker 3: was swippling.
Speaker 4: I was going back and forth and somebody said live
Speaker 4: and I'm I'm guarding pretty good.
Speaker 3: And then I trail around that Look, I tell you what.
Speaker 3: I can tell you what size shoot he wore because
Speaker 3: his feet should he walks out of thirteen. That's all
Speaker 3: I saw. Pick it up.
Speaker 1: According to Sports Illustrated, Roba Linca shouldn't see his sees
Speaker 1: his job as secure moving forward. The report says, quote
Speaker 1: either way, Polinka shouldn't feel super secure in his position
Speaker 1: moving forward. He also shouldn't necessarily be looking over his shoulder.
Speaker 1: He needs to have a good offseason this summer, though.
Speaker 3: All they gotta do. All they gotta do is do
Speaker 3: the same thing with Listen. I'm sure you hit that
Speaker 3: he had the rumblings. You know what you need, sir.
Speaker 5: Lebron has said, I'm sure Lupa has said it. Getting
Speaker 5: me a goddamn big so we can compete.
Speaker 3: That's it, get me a five. What they gonna get
Speaker 3: the rest of the who they gonna get.
Speaker 1: There's a trade proposal, Bailey Bassett Caesar Lakers trade away
Speaker 1: Austin Reeves for twenty twenty three Defensive Player of the
Speaker 1: Year triple j Jared Jackson Jr. So the Grizzlies will
Speaker 1: receive Austin Reeves. Don't connect Maxi Kleeber for Jared hold up,
Speaker 1: you said.
Speaker 3: Hell no, I'm like you.
Speaker 4: Look, Jared Jackson, Sarah Jackson was the beast man that
Speaker 4: there was a beast.
Speaker 3: You think I'm giving them up for what what you
Speaker 3: just say?
Speaker 4: The bad nipples that you just talked about, But there
Speaker 4: you're talking about Austin Reeds.
Speaker 3: Hey, look, I don't really know what what man you're doing.
Speaker 3: Try to stack the damn deck. Don't give me that
Speaker 3: kind of crap. Man. If they they get rid of
Speaker 3: jan Jackson Jr. They definitely getting rid of John that
Speaker 3: Jo's gone yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean if you get rid of him, Ben a cornerstone,
Speaker 2: that's your corner piece of big Man. You get rid
Speaker 2: of him, I mean I would always want to keep
Speaker 2: him in joh together. So if you get rid of him,
Speaker 2: then maybe Ji is on the move somewhere.
Speaker 3: John, you know, how do you want one time? Who
Speaker 3: did you say that we're gonna give up? I gotta
Speaker 3: get it this. I need to write this down. Would
Speaker 3: you say? Uh, Austin Reeves with Ave.
Speaker 1: Maxic Maxic Kleeber the twenty thirty one person white guy.
Speaker 3: Okay, give me want more? You get that's all we got.
Speaker 3: I can't go with that. We just hifted the roster.
Speaker 4: We just if you are, if you're that team, you
Speaker 4: cannot take an all star. The guys you just named
Speaker 4: those aren't all stars. They're pretty good players, some of them,
Speaker 4: but don't them connect just he just came in. Well,
Speaker 4: I like what, I like what you talk about. Who
Speaker 4: you're talking about Austin Reeves, he's a he's a pretty
Speaker 4: good player. But Joe, I'm not making that deal.
Speaker 2: Hell no, if you mean if you Meshis, you're not
Speaker 2: making it. But we don't know what Memphis got up
Speaker 2: their sleeve. Yeah, hey, hey all de pears on, what if?
Speaker 1: What is Memphis trying to do because they just took
Speaker 1: they just got fourth first round draft picks for Desmond Bane.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so are they looking to go back? They look
Speaker 4: at the rebuild, start this thing all over here. You're
Speaker 4: trying to say this no other, Paul de Saul. Is
Speaker 4: that what you're trying to say? Memphis is making another Laker?
Speaker 4: I know you smile, Yeah on.
Speaker 3: Your damn this.
Speaker 4: Then that's how they wanted to look. That's how they
Speaker 4: wanted that championship with Kobe. Now they stole one then
Speaker 4: by making that trade. So don't give them in this
Speaker 4: craple by getting a great defender like that, we're bagging up.
Speaker 3: So I'm sorry that doesn't work.
Speaker 2: But bread, you know what, Jeannie Buss and Robel Lincoln
Speaker 2: Bank of Austin reeves, that's they're diving in the rough.
Speaker 2: They discovered him. He was an undrafted free agent and
Speaker 2: he's turned himself. Every year he's increased. He averaged twenty
Speaker 2: points a game this season.
Speaker 1: They think very very highly of him, and they were
Speaker 1: very they're very, very reluctant to put him in any trade.
Speaker 4: Come on, excuse me unless it gives them a bona
Speaker 4: fide BoNT Who is gonna give up a bona fide
Speaker 4: guy for osin Reeps? It's all right, I mean I'm
Speaker 4: not I'm not down on them saying he can't play,
Speaker 4: but I'm not giving.
Speaker 3: I'm not giving from the All Star up forcin Reeps.
Speaker 3: I can't do that. You gotta give me a lot
Speaker 3: more than that.
Speaker 2: And then you said, will give you a first they
Speaker 2: give you a first round picking dog first round.
Speaker 3: I can't go that like that.
Speaker 4: No, you got to give me some real players. That's
Speaker 4: coming back to me. If I'm Memphis, I can't. If
Speaker 4: you're if you're members right now, you're destroying your team.
Speaker 4: You're already doing this saying with bains and you're talking
Speaker 4: my job. But you gotta keep one piece like that.
Speaker 4: And and that Jackson dude is he is, he's the valuable.
Speaker 2: Just give up for nothing bread bread you know unk
Speaker 2: over there he rubbed his hand like this here because
Speaker 2: he got If the Lakers get Jan Jackson Jr. Man,
Speaker 2: that could that can put him in the lead company.
Speaker 2: You know that, you know that's a that's the think
Speaker 2: we gotta show up. Refercation man that's only. That's the
Speaker 2: only reason he gives us this count of crap.
Speaker 4: You know this is this is you know, oh Joe, Oh,
Speaker 4: y'all just reported the dude brand all report the news brand.
Speaker 3: That's all. I'm doing. Nothing but some ship that he's
Speaker 3: given up now, that's all. That's all. It's a backup.
Speaker 4: And you and you're walking around right now in LA
Speaker 4: with some dogs and you ain't even got one of
Speaker 4: no classic badge shooting all over the lawn.
Speaker 3: You got to give that up. No, I ain't doing that.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 3: Maybe, hey look at bread, y'all. Team is gonna be
Speaker 3: very different next year.
Speaker 4: You know that.
Speaker 3: I know that.
Speaker 1: And it's not just gonna be because Jason Tatum is
Speaker 1: not playing. There's gonna be a lot of changes to
Speaker 1: that Celtic I totally agree.
Speaker 4: I don't know if I don't think for Jingus is
Speaker 4: gonna be here, I don't know if you're you're you're you're.
Speaker 3: Talking about all day is gonna be here.
Speaker 4: And because I think you're gonna match the reset, but
Speaker 4: you subtract now because you lost your best player.
Speaker 3: So yeah, didn't didn't. I didn't, my boy, I'll retire
Speaker 3: no man, helm But man, I gonna make my club.
Speaker 3: I told him that. Joe.
Speaker 4: I said, oh, here's a death. He's almost forty years old.
Speaker 4: They're paying on about ten billion dollars a year just
Speaker 4: to stay in shape. Where you're going and Al got
Speaker 4: about five kids at home. Please he ready to do. Hey,
Speaker 4: Brian Man, thank you so much for joining us tonight.
Speaker 4: Thank you for your joining us doing the playoffs. We
Speaker 4: greatly appreciate it. Hey, come back, man, I'm gonna come
Speaker 4: back so and I enjoyed deal with you guys, and
Speaker 4: I want I'm I'm gonna stay it on the air.
Speaker 3: I want you and O Joe out on my podcast,
Speaker 3: Cedric Match. Who a podcast.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna holler at you because your producer didn't tell
Speaker 4: you whether I wanted to say so.
Speaker 3: Anyway, guys, I enjoyed. Thank you very much for having
Speaker 3: me on. All right, remember want you do?
Speaker 5: Hey?
Speaker 3: Did you get the did you get the look? Up?
Speaker 3: Got the looking already drank it so poys. You know
Speaker 3: that they come to me. I know they said they're
Speaker 3: gonna send me some merchandise. Joe laid it out the bag.
Speaker 4: Sit yo, man, I got some merchandise. I got some
Speaker 4: good merch to I didn't get no merch. Yeah, we
Speaker 4: get yourself. Brad, appreciate it, man, thanks for joining us,
Speaker 4: and we got you got good. It's no one surprise.
Speaker 4: Shade was just named Finals MVP. So he's the regular
Speaker 4: season m VP Western Conference m v P Finals MVP
Speaker 4: averaged thirty points, five and a half persist one, almost
Speaker 4: two steals a game, one and a half blocked shots
Speaker 4: per game, and he's only.
Speaker 3: Twenty years of age. I got a customer.
Speaker 5: I'm glad you just said that. And now think about
Speaker 5: everything you just named off. He's won to ring already.
Speaker 3: He was the MVP this season.
Speaker 5: Now, we talked about this a very very long time
Speaker 5: all throughout the NBA season. You said you would take
Speaker 5: joke of Sta. Yeah it would, yes, Ring ye still
Speaker 5: take still Yeah yeah yeah, Yo kids got a ring too.
Speaker 5: You remember yo kids did all that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I know. I mean, I'm.
Speaker 2: I want to see him if you're yeah, And that's
Speaker 2: not the And that's not to take away anything from.
Speaker 3: From Shape.
Speaker 1: Yes, he's a phenomenal player, but I mean you're talking
Speaker 1: about I mean and and you like really splitting hairs.
Speaker 3: So you're looking at Shane, You're looking at your kids.
Speaker 2: You're looking at Giannis, I think, hey, I think those
Speaker 2: are the three best players.
Speaker 1: Maybe you're sprinkling Luca something when he's healthy and going.
Speaker 1: But Shaye, I mean to be twenty six years of age.
Speaker 1: They brought him in. He's you know, kind of learned
Speaker 1: under Chris Paul and then they turned the bread. They
Speaker 1: turned the organization over to a kid that wasn't.
Speaker 4: Yeah, here's the thing, and when you talk to o Chell,
Speaker 4: the supporting cast, you look at the best, yes forty cast.
Speaker 4: At the end of the day, you can look at okay,
Speaker 4: see with the supporting cast, new Dorg looked like he
Speaker 4: should have been playing with the with the Cleveland Browns,
Speaker 4: the where he was knocking down that big waiting to thing.
Speaker 4: The big question we're gonna talk about, Lendy Lord and gentlemen,
Speaker 4: is this. You talk about three guys who were the MVPs.
Speaker 3: When they were with the.
Speaker 4: Thumberer, they couldn't get it done, Hardened Westbrook and the
Speaker 4: Rank they couldn't get it done. But now they've gone
Speaker 4: to a smaller, more effective lineup, not just biggest stars,
Speaker 4: but they still won. But those three guys that you
Speaker 4: talk about, that that's supporting cast they had that they
Speaker 4: should have won one or two.
Speaker 1: They kill they getting let James Hard. You remember they
Speaker 1: went to the championship, they lost to the Heat, and
Speaker 1: then the next year, for five million dollars, they let
Speaker 1: James Harden go to the Rockets. And that was kind
Speaker 1: of the beginning. And we're gonna talk about this a
Speaker 1: little later. Every last one of those guys that started
Speaker 1: in OK see somehow found a way to get to
Speaker 1: get to the Rockets.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: It started with Hard and Russ and now KD. So
Speaker 3: we'll get to that a little later.
Speaker 1: But you're absolutely right because you look at these two teams,
Speaker 1: what do they have bench play?
Speaker 2: The bench players play extremely well. They're a very deep team.
Speaker 2: You look at Obi Topp and then played well tonight,
Speaker 2: but he normally plays well. But you got mattpern he
Speaker 2: gave you twenty four.
Speaker 3: TJ.
Speaker 1: McConnell gave you sixteen, So that's forty points. You got
Speaker 1: forty two points from your bench. You really can't could
Speaker 1: play like that about that. Mcconnall just didn't have a
Speaker 1: good gut. He played well offensively, but the turnovers he
Speaker 1: had a lot of careless turnovers.
Speaker 3: Tonight he had seven, they had twenty one.
Speaker 1: They had seven turnovers in the third quarter when okay
Speaker 1: see really opened up the game. Yes, I mean because
Speaker 1: they would have a one point lead and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, you start the fourth quarter and you're down thirteen.
Speaker 1: So you go from plus one to minus thirteen. And
Speaker 1: a large part had to do with the turnovers. You
Speaker 1: lost the turnover battle in that they did a great
Speaker 1: job of taking care of it. And you know, this
Speaker 1: is how OKAC played. They're very active with their hands,
Speaker 1: especially at home that crowd as rockers, and you just
Speaker 1: got killless with the basketball. Okay see this season number
Speaker 1: one in net rating, number two all time first, and
Speaker 1: defensive rating third and offensive rating second, Youngest championship team
Speaker 1: in NBA history only behind the nineteen seventy seven.
Speaker 3: For the drill you led by it.
Speaker 4: You didn't mention one guy who was spectically effective in
Speaker 4: that thing, and it was really Alex Caruso.
Speaker 3: Nobody's gonna talk about the ball Eagle.
Speaker 4: I know, Shannon, that hurts you because you spilled a
Speaker 4: fakek girl over there with the KI, but Jolleys. Carusso
Speaker 4: was huge for them defensively, offensively, he is able to
Speaker 4: shut the door and really contain guys, and he made
Speaker 4: it extremely tough for them, especially talking about those steals.
Speaker 3: He was part of that steel thing on every player. Hey,
Speaker 3: our brand.
Speaker 2: I think I'll make great points especially about they bench,
Speaker 2: you know the others that they played well. Obviously, you
Speaker 2: know the more likely whoever bench plays well, they team win.
Speaker 2: But to me, if you look at chick Homebridge, I
Speaker 2: think he was averaging eleven points throughout this throughout this
Speaker 2: finally run the night he had eighteen points, a rebounds,
Speaker 2: five blocks, and he was six to eight from the field,
Speaker 2: very efficient. So probably his best game. Yeah, he plays well.
Speaker 2: Plus Shay and you got Wings playing well, it's hard
Speaker 2: to beat them. They just hadn't got consistent played from
Speaker 2: check Homeridge, you know what I mean. So if he
Speaker 2: give him five blocks, he give you eighteen or twenty
Speaker 2: two points a night, And I think that's his next
Speaker 2: that's his next ceiling to where he can be consistent
Speaker 2: on a ninety night basis with these guys.
Speaker 3: That's what's gonna make him a dynasty and make them
Speaker 3: hard to beat.
Speaker 5: But you know what think about this, Yeah, Okay, jam Nah,
Speaker 5: that a hold on you before you go cornbread. I mean, Joe, listen,
Speaker 5: you talk about dynasty right now after after the team,
Speaker 5: don't The one way to have a dynasty, right is
Speaker 5: to be able to keep your core coople guys together.
Speaker 3: Now they just win a championship. Now what happens. You
Speaker 3: have players that deserve and want to get paid, that
Speaker 3: don't want to stay there, no.
Speaker 5: Getting ready to get paid. So players are gonna leave.
Speaker 5: How you gonna say dynasty went?
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't get that feeling from Okay, seeing
Speaker 3: those guys they look.
Speaker 2: And I think when when you win, Oh, Joe, you
Speaker 2: have to go in the luxury tax you know, everybody
Speaker 2: gets paid, you know what I mean, they're small market.
Speaker 2: But the fact that they don't want you mean to
Speaker 2: tell me you're gonna let one of these cornerstone guys
Speaker 2: get out of here?
Speaker 3: You can't.
Speaker 4: You know, it's good, it's good to say, Joe, But
Speaker 4: them dead presidents, they changed your mind.
Speaker 3: A lot of the time.
Speaker 4: They might think that they might say that, but when
Speaker 4: you're talking about their luxury taxes, you're peeling and guy
Speaker 4: ten million.
Speaker 3: But now it projects out that you're paying.
Speaker 4: In thirteen goodier in the year now teams hit the
Speaker 4: chants in their minds.
Speaker 3: Sometimes they have they might want to pull back. I
Speaker 3: just like that when you talk about dynasties.
Speaker 4: I'm looking like just last year where people said about
Speaker 4: the Celtics, the Celtics is gonna win the championship again
Speaker 4: with Tatling Brown and all those players.
Speaker 3: What happened? They didn't win? This is this is what.
Speaker 4: And the NBA loves that and the fact that you
Speaker 4: have different teams winning championships because it promotes all that's
Speaker 4: just equaliquorating among the teams.
Speaker 1: The fans don't like it though, the fact the fans
Speaker 1: because the thing is read the fans in the NBA
Speaker 1: are different than the fans of the NFL because small
Speaker 1: market team Pittsburgh, small market, but they got ravenous fans
Speaker 1: and they've been cheering for the Steelers for fifty to
Speaker 1: fifty years.
Speaker 3: Green Bay, small market, been cheering up to the NBA.
Speaker 3: Don't have that.
Speaker 1: You gotta go La, you gotta go to New York,
Speaker 1: you gotta go Boston, you gotta go to these Chicago,
Speaker 1: these massive markets to get a following because if not,
Speaker 1: it's just regional. Because think about it, your grandfather ready
Speaker 1: for the Steelers, and so when he had kids and
Speaker 1: they moved away. They don't live in Pittsburgh, they're somewhere else.
Speaker 1: But they're still Stealers fans. Green Bay. They don't live
Speaker 1: in Green Bay. They're still Packer fans though. The Cowboys
Speaker 1: they just so that's how it has to be. But
Speaker 1: I think the thing is what the NBA can do
Speaker 1: the players, the team. Oh, Joe that you're on, Joe
Speaker 1: and Brad, you know this.
Speaker 2: I can give you an extra I can give you
Speaker 2: that your fear I get hey, you go somewhere else,
Speaker 2: you gonna go get four.
Speaker 1: I can give you five full of guarantee. Now do
Speaker 1: you want four years in one sixty or do you
Speaker 1: want five year?
Speaker 3: Jenny? You say nothing about small market teams? Live yre?
Speaker 4: What is?
Speaker 3: What was Miami? Is that a small market? And let's
Speaker 3: talk about San Antonio? What's that a smugger market? Those are?
Speaker 4: And then don't not gonna ratings and the ratings. But
Speaker 4: for those they ready were there. But go look at
Speaker 4: look at Sandy Tonio.
Speaker 1: Look at Sandy Tonio when they play, Look and they
Speaker 1: had great Look at dun Duncan You had Jabbins, you
Speaker 1: had Parker you had Genobly's if if different NFL market
Speaker 1: small markets versus.
Speaker 3: NBA, I gave you that. I look at Miami. Is
Speaker 3: Miami a small market?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: No, it's it's not like like when I look at
Speaker 1: small markets, I'm looking at like Andy, I'm looking at
Speaker 1: I'm looking at like uh.
Speaker 3: People would rather go Okay now, and you're talking about people.
Speaker 4: What was some of the most stair weather fans I
Speaker 4: ever saw in my life go to the We went
Speaker 4: to the game here and oh yeah, for sure, oh
Speaker 4: manleft the game early.
Speaker 3: Oh Joe, they left the game early. And then when
Speaker 3: ray Hally here shot. They wanted to get the ass
Speaker 3: factor that they try to come back in. Don't tell me,
Speaker 3: damn smaller market and your loyalty and this heat culture.
Speaker 1: I believe what Janet is but bread bread, But you
Speaker 1: know how it's worked now. It's same thing with l A.
Speaker 1: If you don't win, them, fans not coming because there's
Speaker 1: too much to do. See what they're gonna do?
Speaker 3: What that's your question? What else are you gonna do it? Okay?
Speaker 1: See what else are you gonna do it? In the
Speaker 1: besides go to a damn basketball game? But watch the
Speaker 1: Indianapolis five hundred. So now in Miami, I got the beach, ohto,
Speaker 1: I got South Beach. I got so much I can
Speaker 1: do La Bread. You know how much it's going on.
Speaker 1: So if you don't win in those markets, oh bro
Speaker 1: coming yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, listen, the only people that will go.
Speaker 5: We talk about hardcore fans, fans you win and losing,
Speaker 5: that they will die and ride by you whether you
Speaker 5: win losing. But when it comes to Miami or with
Speaker 5: any of the big market team, the New York LA's,
Speaker 5: the Miami's, maybe maybe you go you just god go,
Speaker 5: oh go another one, and the fans ain't coming. They're
Speaker 5: not sitting through that. They're not spending their harder money,
Speaker 5: especially in this goddamn confe.
Speaker 1: Connedy messed up and we lose it. Nah uh, it's
Speaker 1: saying small Marcus, New Orleans. Okay, see Milwaukee, San Antonio, Utah, Indiana, Charlotte. Hey,
Speaker 1: we talking about TV markets Now, I got you. I
Speaker 1: have a question too, yes with okay, like where people
Speaker 1: always want.
Speaker 3: To go and play no matter what.
Speaker 5: They love to go play in Houston, they love to
Speaker 5: go play in Miami, they love to go and play
Speaker 5: in La Yes, sure does does The thunder and edg
Speaker 5: Winn in the championship that attract suitors from the outside
Speaker 5: want to go playing. Okay, see, there's only one thing.
Speaker 5: What else am I gonna do that? If I don't
Speaker 5: go what so other? What other pro sporting event? Can
Speaker 5: I go to an Oklahoma city besides the see in Miami,
Speaker 5: I can go? Can I go see something? Can I
Speaker 5: see football?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Could I see them? Go to the rodeo? Shening
Speaker 3: go to the road? Deal?
Speaker 1: Remember Sandy Tonio have to hit the road every year,
Speaker 1: red cut, they got the got the what's the color?
Speaker 3: Coming to rodeo? Coming through Indiana? So it's like Milwaukee.
Speaker 1: What else are you gonna do with Milwaukee besides go
Speaker 1: see the Bucks play, go to the Harley Day with
Speaker 1: some museum. So there's only I mean, when people have
Speaker 1: families and kids, they don't just want to like, hey
Speaker 1: hey babe, I mame, what are we gonna do tonight?
Speaker 1: Everything boarded up? I mean, you got kids, they want
Speaker 1: to do stuff, and it it's cold. They can't do
Speaker 1: anything after September Day inside, How did how.
Speaker 4: Did Pittsburgh get such your following Since it's such a
Speaker 4: small market and.
Speaker 3: You're talking about the NFL but how do they do it?
Speaker 3: Considering that's what you gonna do. Ain't nothing.
Speaker 1: Got the Pirates, You got the Pirates, and you got
Speaker 1: and you got and you got the Steelers. And when
Speaker 1: the Steelers came up, the stealer. Think about the early seventies,
Speaker 1: they dominated, and so now they're they're putting that imprint
Speaker 1: on you.
Speaker 2: Man, the Steelers, man, the Steelers, the Steelers, the Steelers,
Speaker 2: and so kids that had kids, they.
Speaker 4: Grew up Steelers fans. I grew up a Steelers fans.
Speaker 4: My mom was a Steelers fan because they've always on TV.
Speaker 4: Same bag with the Raiders, Oakland, Oakland. Spawn was small,
Speaker 4: but they hey, that's all you saw. And so once
Speaker 4: you got a page and you had kids, what do
Speaker 4: kid do? Take you to the game.
Speaker 1: Hey they got a Cubs jersey old, or they got
Speaker 1: a Celtics jersey old, and so you just it just
Speaker 1: passes down, passes down.
Speaker 4: I like it.
Speaker 2: Look, Brad, you said, the NBA like this, But we've
Speaker 2: seen we haven't seen anything like this. Seven consecutive different champs.
Speaker 2: We haven't seen for this particular series. They were Love Island.
Speaker 2: Love Island got better than I'm just gonna keep it
Speaker 2: in the stack with y'all. Man, I'm just saying, hey,
Speaker 2: it was a good series. Hey chatt, hey, don't get
Speaker 2: up simple chat. But I'm just saying, love love that bread.
Speaker 2: That really happened. Let me give you a stat right here.
Speaker 1: J dubbed this season, he was an All Star, All Defense,
Speaker 1: All NBA, and he's a champion. He's the youngest player
Speaker 1: since Kobe Bryant to achieved all four of those in
Speaker 1: the same season. This is what Scotti Pippens said about
Speaker 1: Jayalen Williams. I don't even want to put a cap
Speaker 1: on him and say that he's going to be me.
Speaker 1: I see him being greater if I can say that,
Speaker 1: just because where the game is today, they have offensive freedom.
Speaker 3: We didn't have that.
Speaker 1: We mostly ran out of a system. These guys have
Speaker 1: the freedom to shoot the three balls, to do things
Speaker 1: of that nature. Players are playing in today's game have
Speaker 1: a chance to be better than players in the past
Speaker 1: because of the ability to shoot the ball.
Speaker 3: Wow wow, somebody said it.
Speaker 1: Oh no, But anyway, if this kid continued to shoot
Speaker 1: the three ball the way he shoots, I'm going to
Speaker 1: see here and say and argue with nobody, say he
Speaker 1: can't he can compare to us, because you can't.
Speaker 4: He wins.
Speaker 1: I don't Red, go ahead, Joe, let let Joe let
Speaker 1: you know, trp me first, then you go brand and
Speaker 1: then all Joe on here what you gotta say, Joe
Speaker 1: you muted?
Speaker 3: Yea?
Speaker 2: I mean now, yeah, man, I agree with Pippen saying
Speaker 2: because back in his day, you know, they played with
Speaker 2: two traditional bigs, and now now and today's game especially Okay,
Speaker 2: see they don't have nobody posting up siously. You know
Speaker 2: those guys are picking pop guys and jade up and shape.
Speaker 2: They kind of get to they get free will as
Speaker 2: supposed to win. They shoot how they want to shoot,
Speaker 2: so they can give it to you however they want.
Speaker 2: I think that the game is a lot more wide
Speaker 2: open nine. Yes, you they do have a lot more
Speaker 2: freedom than guys had back back when Scotti was playing.
Speaker 4: Uh, Joe, I think the game is tailor made for
Speaker 4: you right now because it is an ISO game.
Speaker 3: It is one on one game, and if you are
Speaker 3: a guy can put the ball on the floor, you
Speaker 3: can score up from the outside. It's almost impossible to
Speaker 3: stop you. During the time that I played, when we
Speaker 3: had McHale Perish myself.
Speaker 4: Bird. We were post up guys, and we stayed right
Speaker 4: on that block, so you didn't. We weren't trying to
Speaker 4: trick you. We're just gonna beat the hell out of
Speaker 4: you in the damn post that nobody.
Speaker 3: Nobody doubts that anymore. Shit anymore.
Speaker 4: It's a dead game. So because of that, the game
Speaker 4: has changed so much in a way. And Scotty, I
Speaker 4: appreciate Scotty giving up up like that, but I tell
Speaker 4: you what, I'm like, Ze, and this is Joe and
Speaker 4: old Joe, and I would love to see what would
Speaker 4: happened if you've been playing during the eighties when guys
Speaker 4: looked throwing his ass to the ground. Now, it wasn't
Speaker 4: all this, all this he getting you up in the air,
Speaker 4: thanking you, doing all this stuff. You know, how to
Speaker 4: truck played like that. Detroit used to play two pounds.
Speaker 4: One guy will hit you if the other guy free,
Speaker 4: you know what, Joe. That gave the other guy freedom
Speaker 4: to not the hell out of that. So so we
Speaker 4: take another special guy. And I'm not taking away from
Speaker 4: what Shake does. I'm really not, but I like to
Speaker 4: see what he do with hand checking.
Speaker 3: Joe. The error you played in yes, I like to
Speaker 3: see what he would do right now when it came
Speaker 3: to hard fire.
Speaker 4: You think you see some of these founds they called
Speaker 4: the day the guy said blakeer foul when the guy
Speaker 4: rushed in me hit him. Then during my particular era,
Speaker 4: they would have laughed at your ass, like right, no, no,
Speaker 4: you ain't bleeding when your eyes say now, oh Joe,
Speaker 4: if you ain't, if you ain't missing a tooth or nothing,
Speaker 4: you won't believe from the.
Speaker 3: Note, they won't call him that.
Speaker 4: So I would love to know, how shall I'm not
Speaker 4: taking away anything from no hatred at all, but I
Speaker 4: love to see how they played.
Speaker 3: During the physical game, the way it was played during
Speaker 3: that time. Hey, right, I like what Pepper said, Uncle Joe,
Speaker 3: and bread like I like what he said.
Speaker 5: But the funny thing about it is there are sudden
Speaker 5: players regards of era, regardless of era, based on skill setting,
Speaker 5: DNA and what they bring to the table in that
Speaker 5: specific era. With regards of what era you put certain
Speaker 5: individuals in, they're gonna succeed regardles of how the game,
Speaker 5: whether it's in the eighties, whether it's in the nineties,
Speaker 5: whether in the two thousand, or whether it's now a
Speaker 5: player like HGA, he will thrive. He will still thrive
Speaker 5: and just adapt to the circumstances and environment and the
Speaker 5: style of playing which they played, if he was in
Speaker 5: the eighties or in the nineties when they were a
Speaker 5: lot more physical.
Speaker 3: The same thing goals for pipping. It's hard to compare errors.
Speaker 3: You really can't do it. You can't era up when
Speaker 3: you played. The rule changes. The rule change exactly, the
Speaker 3: rule changes. Obviously. You think about the game of basketball, right,
Speaker 3: everything is ice.
Speaker 5: So now back then, the Jordan era, the pipping era,
Speaker 5: they played with ko bigs back in your day.
Speaker 3: Un goddamn, look at the yards you got. You gotta
Speaker 3: goddamn jacks, you.
Speaker 5: Got a bust in the Hall of Fame, and goddamn
Speaker 5: can right and you've played during the running game era.
Speaker 5: Imagine if you played right now, you and your prime
Speaker 5: and they throwing the ball twenty million times every guy.
Speaker 3: Damn, you're laughing. You're laughing like you're about to get
Speaker 3: that paid or something. Right now. Hey, hey, hey, I see.
Speaker 1: Them, I see them guys making the tight end, making
Speaker 1: seventeen dollars a year.
Speaker 3: I do see that. Hey, uh, I mean just go
Speaker 3: to show you just how well the thunder to play defense.
Speaker 1: Indiana shot the ball better from the field, better from
Speaker 1: the three point line, better from the free throw line,
Speaker 1: and they all rebound them.
Speaker 3: But they had one glaring stat They tripled the turnovers
Speaker 3: twenty one to seven. That is the difference in the ball.
Speaker 4: Lovers will kill you in any game you play. And
Speaker 4: I don't care what sport it is. They play football,
Speaker 4: you turn that ball over. You played basketball, you turned over,
Speaker 4: and it's going to be a recipee for you to
Speaker 4: lose because those are wasted opportunities. A lot of people
Speaker 4: laughed when they talked about the self excuse in the threes,
Speaker 4: and I talked to Jae Mizzoula about this.
Speaker 3: He said, Max, I reckon.
Speaker 4: For him to shoot the three, then turn the damn
Speaker 4: ball over, because that therefore you wouldn't give a shot opportunity.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, damn, that doesnake's sister. You at least
Speaker 4: you shoot it, you get an opportunity to go in.
Speaker 4: But when you turn the ball over in a live situation,
Speaker 4: your defense is locksided going back the other way, and
Speaker 4: it just kills you. And you can see it hurt
Speaker 4: Indiana all day.
Speaker 3: TJ.
Speaker 4: McCollough was a smart player, Joe. They surprised me when
Speaker 4: he crossed the court at that time to have court
Speaker 4: and it got double and he pussed the ball out. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but you smiled at than that, You boy, you ain't.
Speaker 4: It's a point guard. You ain't supposed to cross that line.
Speaker 4: I am getting pained on the sideline.
Speaker 3: He got kept. He kept getting pined in the corner.
Speaker 1: He's only so tall, so when they come with a
Speaker 1: double team, he's not getting out of that because he
Speaker 1: can't love.
Speaker 3: You had to know that he was gonna make some mistake. Guys.
Speaker 2: They asked an awful lot of him, you know, when
Speaker 2: went down, so he probably he ain't accustomed to he
Speaker 2: since the first quarter. Tyreeves went down the first quarter,
Speaker 2: and now TJ had to step in and be the
Speaker 2: guy against the starters.
Speaker 3: He ain't going to get their backups.
Speaker 2: Now, now he's going to givest J dub, he's going
Speaker 2: to give door, He's going to he end up with
Speaker 2: the trees with Chat.
Speaker 1: So it's a difference you're asking him to do. You
Speaker 1: asking him to be TJ. But I need more of
Speaker 1: that from you, and I need you to give it
Speaker 1: to me.
Speaker 4: If they're one, Joe, let me let me ask you this,
Speaker 4: Joe way to some of them players you used to
Speaker 4: play with when you're win on your team.
Speaker 3: And they be talking all that ship and then they
Speaker 3: get in the game and be a real game. Man,
Speaker 3: what help?
Speaker 4: Hey?
Speaker 3: Hey, listen all that damn questions too much?
Speaker 2: Hey, hey, look hey Brian Ojo, let me tell you
Speaker 2: something I was in college, man, I'm telling you, when
Speaker 2: I first got the campus, I wanted to play in
Speaker 2: the hype that's where everybody used to play it. And
Speaker 2: I had dudes on my team, bro average two point
Speaker 2: three points a game. Who in the hype looking like
Speaker 2: Jordan's and here. But once that pop worn go to popping,
Speaker 2: them lights come on. I'm like, damn, what happened? Yeah,
Speaker 2: he ain't the same no more, it ain't them lights
Speaker 2: come on and.
Speaker 3: Want to box.
Speaker 4: O Cho said the right things. Then, A it is
Speaker 4: for some people, and it's showing for some other people.
Speaker 4: Because when them damn big lights come on and they
Speaker 4: damn put a little bit more butther on the damn popcorn,
Speaker 4: some of these people are gonna pall.
Speaker 3: Like a damn cheap ship. That's gonna Yeah, it's funny
Speaker 3: that y'all say that, because my freshman we had a guy.
Speaker 1: There was roommates, and one of the guys who was
Speaker 1: the starter wide receiver his roommate. Go tell the coach,
Speaker 1: he like, Coach, if you gave me some run, I
Speaker 1: can catch just as good as my roommate. I can
Speaker 1: catch just as good as this guy. Sure enough, coach
Speaker 1: put him in the game. Drop everything he threw it.
Speaker 2: Coach after the game, he say, son, you came to
Speaker 2: my office and tell me you better than Barney. We
Speaker 2: put you in the game, he put him on plast
Speaker 2: your roommate, I'm better than him.
Speaker 1: You done told the coach, I'm better than my roommate.
Speaker 1: He put you in the game. You lay an egg, and.
Speaker 4: Then the coach called you out in front of everybody
Speaker 4: in Your roommate sit there looking at him.
Speaker 3: Call him out.
Speaker 4: You s'll call him out. You go all that off
Speaker 4: and all that damn Lloyd's shore. You've seen enough of that.
Speaker 4: All the damn guys back you up. We used to
Speaker 4: tell guys in practice till the time, what the hell
Speaker 4: you founding me like that? You?
Speaker 3: Yeah, hey, listen, I don't I don't think I don't
Speaker 3: think people understand how difficult it is. It's one thing
Speaker 3: to be playing in the park. It's one thing to
Speaker 3: be having fun recreational with your friends.
Speaker 5: But I'm talk about at the highest level, bring going on,
Speaker 5: untibry at the highest level when them lives turn on,
Speaker 5: especially if you are talker.
Speaker 3: You was a talker, Joey talker, and you've got to
Speaker 3: back it up. You got to back it up now.
Speaker 3: I don't think you understand how much pressure that is.
Speaker 5: And obviously when you see the finished product on a Sunday,
Speaker 5: you'd be like, well damn, they make it look easy.
Speaker 5: But what you don't get to see is all a
Speaker 5: work they motherfucker got to put in before you time
Speaker 5: he it on Sunday.
Speaker 3: We it just look easy but exact.
Speaker 4: But you know, but but out of all of the
Speaker 4: four of us right now on air, three of us,
Speaker 4: I know talk a lot of ship.
Speaker 3: I know Shannon did oh tell I know you and
Speaker 3: I know I did.
Speaker 4: But Joe to say nothing, Joe, but Joe just play.
Speaker 4: He played the game and gave you his a that's
Speaker 4: what he don't do. But I got to let you know,
Speaker 4: show you oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, hey, let your
Speaker 4: walk speak for himself.
Speaker 2: No, I was about speaking. I will speaking about talk,
Speaker 2: but I can't. I. Hey, they weren't. Hey, hold on,
Speaker 2: they working, say volumes now, not about oh yeah, you
Speaker 2: you gonna be in the way of working tomorrow.
Speaker 3: I got where you're sharing this hood my best story.
Speaker 4: I was playing against the Lakers and we had some
Speaker 4: some of them guys over there, Larry Spriggs and some
Speaker 4: of these guys really hadn't played that much and they
Speaker 4: were screaming, yelling at me, and I was taking the
Speaker 4: ball out. So I was about to get the ball
Speaker 4: from the referee and I said, hold up a minute,
Speaker 4: it's a hold up.
Speaker 3: He said, what do you want? I said.
Speaker 4: Pam Rowley was standing beside me. I said, Pat, put
Speaker 4: one of the motherfuckers in down there. Pat Rowley turns
Speaker 4: the rent and going, hey, you're going to game. This
Speaker 4: guy comes in the game to guard me. I score
Speaker 4: about ten quick points and going out to gate him,
Speaker 4: I said, next time, you'll sit your ass down and
Speaker 4: be quiet. I love Pam Rawley for that. I love
Speaker 4: and appreciate it. All the damn talking. You're doing a
Speaker 4: running your damn mouth over here.
Speaker 3: You ain't, you ain't. You should just re quiet and
Speaker 3: watch the damn game. Gotta free ticket. Shut up.
Speaker 1: We had three stars go down in the postseason with
Speaker 1: win A Kilees Dame Lilly went down first, Jason Tatum
Speaker 1: went down next, and then Tyrese Halliburton.
Speaker 3: They all wear the number zero.
Speaker 1: Jeff Starts tweeted if Halliburton didn't tear the achilles, which
Speaker 1: he did, that would be the eighth achilles tear this season.
Speaker 1: The previous high was five in fourteen fifteen. That does
Speaker 1: not include the NASAs out of the Koumpo who tore
Speaker 1: his in the off season, or prospect Jaalen Moore who
Speaker 1: injured here in the recent pre draft workout. Unbelievable. Uh
Speaker 1: so hold on, uh, that's who Tom Havstroke, James Wiseman
Speaker 1: and Isaiah Jackson two of theirs too, Right, So what
Speaker 1: if uh uh, Joe Brad you got played. I heard
Speaker 1: people saying, man, it's the low top shoes. But boy,
Speaker 1: with the way technology is now, ain't nobody with Terry
Speaker 1: nor Keeley with him, Chuck Taylor now they got all
Speaker 1: this technology.
Speaker 3: What's going on with Joe? I think it's this Joe.
Speaker 4: I believe the fact that these guys never rest. The
Speaker 4: guys you name Tatum played in the Olympics last year,
Speaker 4: never had no opportunity to rest. Hallack Burton played in
Speaker 4: the Olympics, never had an opportunity to rest.
Speaker 3: We know, we know what Dame does.
Speaker 4: He plays all this basketball because you don't rest your body,
Speaker 4: Shannon old Joe, Joe, Your damn body is gonna rest
Speaker 4: you out there and there might be the Achilles And
Speaker 4: you remember that the Achilles is one of those things.
Speaker 4: How do you really protect it because you can stratch
Speaker 4: it and do it, but you can't build it up
Speaker 4: like one of these strong muscles something.
Speaker 3: It's yeah, it's uh, go ahead, oto, go ahead. I'm
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say.
Speaker 5: I see a lot of comments, a lot of people
Speaker 5: talking about, oh, you know, people are wearing low top
Speaker 5: shoes and and I mean, listen, having a hot top
Speaker 5: shoe is not not going to prevent that.
Speaker 3: It's not going to prevent that that that's something that's
Speaker 3: that's on the interior. Uh and listen, it just happens.
Speaker 3: It just happens. Why it happened, I'm not sure.
Speaker 5: Obviously, we know Halle had had an injury, and I'm
Speaker 5: not sure if the conversation for that area caused that
Speaker 5: the keys the rupture, But it's just unfortunate that it
Speaker 5: is happening. But I keep seeing the comments about Oh's
Speaker 5: because it had nothing to do with low top.
Speaker 3: Shoes in general. So either I don't, hot top shoe
Speaker 3: ain't fixing that. It's not ye, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't think so neither uh bring. You could be right,
Speaker 2: it could be the wear and tear on these guys.
Speaker 2: But if y'all listen to Hallen Burton after Game five,
Speaker 2: he said that this will probably if this was regular season,
Speaker 2: this will be a two week, you know, layoff for him.
Speaker 3: He would be out for at least two weeks.
Speaker 2: And the fact that you can't get that and you
Speaker 2: can't get that kind of rest when you have those
Speaker 2: calf injuries. Man, I hate to say it, but this
Speaker 2: is the next thing that comes from it. You know,
Speaker 2: when you look at all the guys from excuse me, Durant,
Speaker 2: whether it was Dame, they all had these calf injuries,
Speaker 2: and you know you're playing in the postseason. You want
Speaker 2: to try to beat that for your team and give
Speaker 2: them everything you got, And honestly.
Speaker 3: It just becomes too much.
Speaker 2: It just becomes too much because the game is idle
Speaker 2: at such a high level playing in the finals, Like, bro,
Speaker 2: like you ain't you ain't gonna get no rest on that, like,
Speaker 2: because we're gonna test it every play down of court,
Speaker 2: every play offensively. He tried to get to the reck
Speaker 2: he trying to make a play. You got to push
Speaker 2: off on that. So I just think it was unfortunate
Speaker 2: for him.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 3: I hate it for him too. Man, But who always
Speaker 3: gonna Who's gonna make that call?
Speaker 4: That?
Speaker 3: Who's gonna make that call?
Speaker 4: Piece of sit down because you know it's not gonna
Speaker 4: be the player because you because we know, and.
Speaker 3: It's not gonna be the coach either, because I'm trying
Speaker 3: to win. The teammates are lucking that you you know,
Speaker 3: Havel were like, yo, man, rap that shut up. We
Speaker 3: got to talk.
Speaker 4: So I don't know how you prevent that. When it
Speaker 4: gets down to players and what they're able to do,
Speaker 4: a lot of times you said during the regular season, Joe,
Speaker 4: what would have happened? The only thing I think can
Speaker 4: happen is you if you have an independent doctor that
Speaker 4: has to look at players when they have their injury,
Speaker 4: that's the only way you can send them out. Ever,
Speaker 4: protect them because you can't protect the player from from
Speaker 4: himself in those situations because he's gonna want to go,
Speaker 4: He's gonna let.
Speaker 2: Me ask your question. Let me ask your question, Bred,
Speaker 2: who playing for that independent? Because if the team playing
Speaker 2: paying for it, it ain't independent. Wow, if you playing
Speaker 2: for it, they keep that always independence because he ain't
Speaker 2: doing no doctor don't do pro bomber work.
Speaker 3: So that's there. Our doctor borders not a lot of services.
Speaker 4: But other than that, that with with the Bill Walton
Speaker 4: trade that happened with me and Bill walk I passed it.
Speaker 4: I didn't really pass the test in LA when I
Speaker 4: went there. But when when Bill Walton got to got
Speaker 4: to Boston, Red lard back blow the little smoke and said, Bill,
Speaker 4: you pass his his damn near one as good as
Speaker 4: as your rabbans.
Speaker 3: And they way back in the day.
Speaker 4: But they but the power of coaches gms at that time,
Speaker 4: it's so different than this.
Speaker 3: So I don't know how you protect them player from himself. Right.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, guys. Is it a situation
Speaker 1: because now guys are so specialized. Guys play All they
Speaker 1: play is basketball, all they play is baseball, all they
Speaker 1: play is football. So you get no, so all you
Speaker 1: doing is distressing that. And then you got these tournaments. Joke,
Speaker 1: they played basketball year round. I'm like, damn, I thought
Speaker 1: I thought everything was a season. I thought football had
Speaker 1: a season. I thought basketball had a season. I thought
Speaker 1: baseball had a season. I thought track had a season.
Speaker 1: They do all this stuff year round.
Speaker 2: And that's why us as Americans, the basketball hoopers nowadays,
Speaker 2: we're behind because all we do is play, play, play,
Speaker 2: and the guys overseas they teaching the game. They teaching
Speaker 2: these dudes a game at a young age versus just
Speaker 2: throwing them out there.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: Man, listen, we had a whole totally different era to it.
Speaker 2: Now oho oh bred, Hey, look if I want y'all
Speaker 2: to play on me. Okay, look I got one hundred
Speaker 2: grand for y'all this something, man, I need y'all to
Speaker 2: come play with me. That's all these people care about.
Speaker 2: They ain't trying to develop. They ain't developing these kids
Speaker 2: and teaching them really how to play the game. So therefore,
Speaker 2: as they get to the next level, whether it's college
Speaker 2: or pro, you know, a lot of them be lost
Speaker 2: and you don't really hear about them no more because
Speaker 2: it takes time, because when you get to a team
Speaker 2: and you're not the man, and you have to learn
Speaker 2: how to play, and you have to learn how to
Speaker 2: start in a row, and you ain't never had to
Speaker 2: do that.
Speaker 3: Oh man, you lost in the sauce. Oh yeah, daddy,
Speaker 3: that's about as true as it gifts. I had thought
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 4: But open your the skills set that they teach with
Speaker 4: the three points and the euro step and all that
Speaker 4: they have that down before they get here. Our players
Speaker 4: utilize one thing. It was Duncan and the quick speed,
Speaker 4: and you can't utilize that the whole time. You have
Speaker 4: to push down the back. Brother, So I think you
Speaker 4: are a thousand and six correct when it comes.
Speaker 3: To but but it's a AU basketball that kill the
Speaker 3: lot of that damn kid going.
Speaker 4: I ain't never seen the damn kid in the damn
Speaker 4: sixth grade over the damn California, North Carolina places down basketball.
Speaker 3: I couldn't. I couldn't. I couldn't go across the damn
Speaker 3: street getting another side of town six or seven. Hey,
Speaker 3: When I was growing up, man, we played AAU ball.
Speaker 2: I played for the Arkansas Rockets pretty much my entire
Speaker 2: AU season til the last year I played with the
Speaker 2: Arkansas Hawks.
Speaker 3: And these are all guys straight out of Arkansas. Bro.
Speaker 2: Now you get guys, they're gonna be from something everywhere.
Speaker 2: They probably a don't even know each other until they
Speaker 2: get together, until to get ready to play, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. So that's the that's the biggest difference.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Brad, when we were coming up play what
Speaker 1: oh you better get you gotta work in the summer.
Speaker 3: You got hey, but see I want hey, but see
Speaker 3: I wanted We were so poor. I want summer close
Speaker 3: year round. Some of our brothers, some of our cousins,
Speaker 3: some of them.
Speaker 2: Hold on, hold on, we were working to man, we
Speaker 2: were when I was when I was young, playing you man,
Speaker 2: we threw so many swim parties, car washers, TIPI raffles.
Speaker 3: We did okay, yeah, how you got the feelers? We
Speaker 3: yet to get them to Joe. Hold on you and Joe.
Speaker 3: I know you guys has summer that you have that
Speaker 3: a Sunday suit. Don't telling me that Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I didn't have a Sunday suit. In some suit that
Speaker 3: we can go to Turkey and on Sunday, so we
Speaker 3: have something else.
Speaker 4: The volume