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Speaker 1: Hey guys, I'm Kaylee Shore and this is too much

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Speaker 1: to say. All has been questions releasing yes, so I'm

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Speaker 2: Now turn it.

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Speaker 1: Out you Okay for starters, I wanted to say sorry

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Speaker 1: a year and a half, which as the longest I've

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Speaker 1: why it's not as simple as just putting something on

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Speaker 1: the Internet, and all the things that go on behind

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Speaker 1: the scenes with your favorite artists, especially if they're independent

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Speaker 1: in trying to get a single out. So this song

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Speaker 1: that I'm releasing is called American Nightmare, and I'm really.

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Speaker 1: It's a message that I really want to put out

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Speaker 1: even just you know music fans, but also you know,

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Speaker 1: when you move to Nashville, you're like, oh, okay, like everybody's

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Speaker 1: just trying to help each other, and that's true, but

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Speaker 1: all adds up really quickly. So some of the costs

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Speaker 1: And I'm using like an average of numbers from music

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Speaker 1: but just like an aggregate of what those things cost.

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Speaker 1: So recording a song can cost you anywhere between a

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Speaker 1: typical range that people are paying is twenty five hundred song. Now,

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Speaker 1: Then there's the fees that happen with the distributor, so

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Speaker 1: Distributor is who gets it to Spotify and Apple Music

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Speaker 1: But these are parts of it that you need, Like,

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Speaker 2: The percentage to the producer.

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Speaker 1: So I had fifteen percent and then had to give

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Speaker 2: So there's that. So distributors are really really popular.

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Speaker 1: But also those publicists can have relationships with Spotify and

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's like thirty thousand a year.

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Speaker 2: People hate talking about money.

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Speaker 1: It's tacky, but I think that a lot of people

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Speaker 1: I keep you guys posted, but hopefully I'll have a

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Speaker 1: release date really soon for American Nightmare.

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Speaker 2: I'm so excited to put it out.

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Speaker 1: I've done a lot of teasers on my Instagram and TikTok,

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Speaker 1: so you can go check that out. And thank you

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Speaker 1: little bit all over the place. I appreciate you so much.

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Speaker 1: I'm Kailie sure and this is too much to say

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Speaker 1: asking questions so soon. Now tell it out, you