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Speaker 2: All right, let's go ahead and move on to these

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Speaker 2: updates with regard to the hype bombing suspect who has

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Speaker 2: now been apprehended by the FBI. So you guys covered

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Speaker 2: this on Friday, but there were some updates that happened

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Speaker 2: on Friday that we wanted to make sure to get

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Speaker 2: in here as well. So let's put d one up

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Speaker 2: on the screen. And you guys probably know this, like

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Speaker 2: this pipe bomber has been a real fixation on the right.

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Speaker 2: Understand why because it's like, okay, this was a series

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Speaker 2: that like pipe bombs were placed outside the RNC and

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Speaker 2: the DNC, and this just never we just never solved

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Speaker 2: this case. Like really, in this age of mass surveillance,

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Speaker 2: we can never freaking figure this out.

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Speaker 3: Oh what happening here?

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Speaker 2: Yeah on Capitol hillth and Kamala Harris was going in

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Speaker 2: the dance and we never figured this out. So in

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Speaker 2: any case, they apprehend this guy, and the initial thing

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Speaker 2: that was put out is he was an anarchist. Okay,

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Speaker 2: well now they're saying during interviews with the FBI, the

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Speaker 2: suspect told investigators he believed the twenty twenty election was stolen,

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Speaker 2: providing perhaps the first indication of a possible motive for

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Speaker 2: the bomb's place near the DNC and the RNC headquarters.

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Speaker 2: So basically, it looks, according to this interview in this report,

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Speaker 2: that he was a stop the steel guy. And the

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Speaker 2: reason I give this crudence is because this is not

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Speaker 2: what like a cash Betel.

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Speaker 4: FBI would want him to.

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Speaker 2: Say that his motive is right this And that's why

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Speaker 2: I think when the government or any source says something

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Speaker 2: it more credence, not to say you shouldn't be still

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Speaker 2: step skeptical in the narrative whatever, that's like your responsibility

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Speaker 2: to ask questions and question the government, especially when they're

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Speaker 2: making claims. But if it's a clean that goes against

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Speaker 2: their parts and ideological interests, I do think that that

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Speaker 2: is worth giving more credence than something that just like

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Speaker 2: fits really neatly with what they would want this narrative

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Speaker 2: to be. So anyway, I apparently they brought this guy

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Speaker 2: in and Pierro Janine Pierrot is saying like, oh, he

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Speaker 2: was an equal opportunity.

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Speaker 4: He hated both parties.

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Speaker 2: That may also be the case, but in any case,

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Speaker 2: he at least bought into these stop the steal narratives.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the story is deeply weird, and I have all

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Speaker 5: kinds of skepticism about the story period. But just on

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Speaker 5: this note, Kendlanian right away, who is very tethered to

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Speaker 3: Like careers at the FBI.

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Speaker 5: Basically, he's I forget who called him fusion ken with

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Speaker 3: Maybe that's a.

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Speaker 5: Glenn greenwaldism back in the Russia collusion days. But he

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Speaker 5: reported right away before the suspect was named, but when

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Speaker 5: we knew that there had been an arrest, that he

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Speaker 5: had quote anarchist leaning, anarchist leanings, and that was sourced

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Speaker 5: Bongino are getting asked about all of this. They're getting

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Speaker 5: And now we get this that he's also stopped to steal,

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Speaker 3: And so just over the last five days, everyone's.

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Speaker 5: Like, well, so what's actually going on right now is

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Speaker 3: So it's a very very strange.

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Speaker 5: The entire story right now is strange, and it could

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Speaker 5: is the story supposed to be?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and if we think about a motive and why,

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Speaker 2: it would make sense if you're a stop the steal

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Speaker 2: DNC and the RNC. Like the DNC part, Okay, that's obvious, right,

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Speaker 4: But I mean there was a lot.

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Speaker 2: Of upset too at the mainstream Republican Party in a

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Speaker 2: sense that like they weren't doing enough to go along with,

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Speaker 2: you know, to just quote unquote stop the steal and

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Speaker 2: to go along with Trump's election lies and delusions.

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Speaker 4: So it's it does.

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Speaker 2: Make a level of sense that if that is your motivation,

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Speaker 2: you would be going after both the DNC and the

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Speaker 2: on that particular day. Another, Uh, I don't know if

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Speaker 2: you could call it funny, but whatever you want to

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Speaker 2: call this ironic, Yeah, we'll call it amusing.

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Speaker 4: Put D two up on the screen.

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Speaker 2: Element of this is it's possible that with Trump's very

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Speaker 2: broad pardoning of the J six rioters, that he may

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Speaker 2: have accidentally also pardoned this guy. So this says mister Trump,

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Speaker 2: in one of his first official acts after returning to

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Speaker 2: the nearly sixteen hundred rioters charging connection with the Capitol attack.

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Speaker 2: His clemency proclamation was extraordinarily broad, covering all defendants accused

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Speaker 2: will ultimately try to argue that the placing of the

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Speaker 2: pipe bombs should also be covered by mister Trump's proclamation.

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Speaker 2: I'm not a lawyer, but I mean it seems like

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Speaker 2: I mean, it was certainly related to the events. It

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Speaker 2: certainly occurred at or near the US capital. It was

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Speaker 2: did he actually place the bombs on January fifth.

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Speaker 5: Yes, but I think that might still be covered because

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Speaker 5: it's add or neared. I mean, they were discovered on

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Speaker 5: January six with timers that I bet are going to

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Speaker 5: be argued. I mean, that's another very strange part of this.

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Speaker 5: It looks like one hour. I mean, if people haven't

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Speaker 5: of the pipe bombs. I keep telling people to google

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Speaker 5: them because they are the most cartoonish, looking like looney

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Speaker 5: tunes as devices, where they had kitchen timers strapped like

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Speaker 5: literal oven timers strapped to these pipes, and with like

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Speaker 5: so these look like one hour timers. So are the

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Speaker 5: timers being controlled remotely to detonate on January sixth. That

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Speaker 5: could be a pretty crucial question because if the administration

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Speaker 5: wants to put screws to this guy, they're going to

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Speaker 5: want to say that these devices were created, were viable.

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Speaker 5: We've already seen them hinting at that for January sixth,

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Speaker 5: so it might not be a wiggle room on the date. Actually,

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Speaker 5: if the date is the problem, because it seems like

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Speaker 5: what they're trying to insist is that January six these

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I don't know, that's an interesting one. We'll

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Speaker 2: definitely continue to follow those developments.

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Speaker 4: Emily.

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Speaker 2: Can you talk a little bit about some of the

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Speaker 2: theories that have been percolating on the right and how

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Speaker 2: the right is responding to these developments.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, let's put D three on the screen. So this

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Speaker 5: is from an account called at four five nine Crimes,

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Speaker 5: and this is where you're definitely starting to see the

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Speaker 5: anti deep state right split into two. So on the

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Speaker 5: one hand, you have people like Julie Kelly who have

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Speaker 5: covered this story really closely from the MAGA perspective for

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Speaker 5: a long time, and does seem to think that Cash

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Speaker 5: and Dan have the right guy. Then, on the other hand,

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Speaker 5: you have some other more skeptical folks. I mean, Thomas

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Speaker 5: Massey has already insisted he's not buying the story. This

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Speaker 3: And that Cole is a patsy. So that's where this

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Speaker 5: I mean, Christal, I honestly have trying to reserve my

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Speaker 5: They don't want to taint Jerry Pools or whatever, and

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Speaker 3: It sounds like Cole is cooperating.

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Speaker 5: I mean, what I've soft theory, I think somebody definitely

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Speaker 3: It zeems to me planted that story with the Blaze,

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Speaker 5: Obviously to name a specific person who also, by the way,

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Speaker 5: which again just it could mean a million different things,

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Speaker 5: but it does seem to me that there's something very

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Speaker 5: And I also think we should be open to the possibility.

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Speaker 4: Video of me playing with buppies on that day. I

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Speaker 4: guess it wasn't.

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Speaker 5: Well that I really was not me so sorry, but

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Speaker 5: I like, that's another part of the story to me

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Speaker 5: that I'm just like, what the they this? You name

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Speaker 5: a person who has this who works at the CIA

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Speaker 5: and has a literal video at the exact time of

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Speaker 5: the bomb plant being planted of her with her dog. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: what the like, it's a it's a lot they're asking

446
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Speaker 5: us so far by not filling in the gaps, they're

447
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Speaker 5: asking us to believe a lot. So uh hey, I'm

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Speaker 5: open to it. I want to see the information. It's

449
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Speaker 5: a crazy story.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to know who's out to get the

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Speaker 2: Blaze and I just administration.

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Speaker 5: One of the what I think one of the benefits

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Speaker 5: of the last like ten plus years is the right

454
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Speaker 5: developing this deep skepticism of uh the like intelligence agencies,

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Speaker 5: the intelligence community, which seems to be like not unsurprisingly

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Speaker 5: lapsing as they have retaken.

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Speaker 3: The intelligence community.

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Speaker 5: But I feel like this is just a great surprising

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Speaker 5: not I mean, it's a great reminder of why that skepticism. Uh,

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Speaker 5: those seeds were planted during Trump one that should be

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Speaker 5: continuing to blossom, to blossom into like permanent skepticism of

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Speaker 5: these agencies.

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Speaker 4: All right, shall we check in with our friend Hillary

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Speaker 4: Clinton here?

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Speaker 3: Why would we not?

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Speaker 4: So? What was this conference? She was that? Some like

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Speaker 4: a do security comp security conference.

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Speaker 2: Tucker Carlson was also there for reasons I don't really know.

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Speaker 5: But in any case, Well, the Global Security Forum in Doha.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so she's re emerging the Doha Forum. Okay, sorry,

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Speaker 2: Doha Forum. She has re emerged because she wants us

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Speaker 2: all to know that we just don't understand what's going

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Speaker 2: on with Israel Palestine and that the real problem is

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Speaker 2: not Israel murdering mass murdering babies with our support. The

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Speaker 2: real problem is TikTok. So she said this, We covered

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Speaker 2: it last week. Now she was sort of questioned more

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Speaker 2: aggressively questioned on these comments and asked to defend them,

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Speaker 2: which she did. Let's take a listen to that.

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Speaker 6: I want to talk about you now. You've been in

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Speaker 6: the news this past week for some comments you made

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Speaker 6: at an event in New York organized by the newspaper

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Speaker 6: Israel High m And I'm going to paraphrase here, but

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Speaker 6: you said that smart, well educated young Americans are getting

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Speaker 6: their news from social media and from TikTok and you

485
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Speaker 6: went on to say that this is how they're learning

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Speaker 6: about what happened on October seventh, and then what happened

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Speaker 6: in Gaza in the months that followed. And it appears

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Speaker 6: that this was a broader lament on your part about

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Speaker 6: declining support among Americans for Israel. That comment has generated

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Speaker 6: a lot of controversy, and it's led Congressman Rocanna, for example,

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Speaker 6: to point out that I don't think the answer is

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Speaker 6: to disparage the intelligence of young people. It's been a

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Speaker 6: few days now since you've said that. How are you

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Speaker 6: reflecting on your words and the controversy around it.

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Speaker 7: Well, I think it is a provable fact that most

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Speaker 7: Americans and an even bigger percentage of young Americans, get

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Speaker 7: their news from social media. If that is controversial, then

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Speaker 7: people are not paying attention.

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Speaker 6: To How is that a bad thing?

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Speaker 7: I don't know if it's a bad thing, but I

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Speaker 7: think it's an incomplete We are not going to implement

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Speaker 7: the twenty point piece plan or any other piece plan

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Speaker 7: unless people come with some sense of historical perspective and

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Speaker 7: empathy about how we're going to move people toward what

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Speaker 7: I still believe is the only realistic outcome, a two

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Speaker 7: state solution. And we're not going to get there if

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Speaker 7: people you know, why when they say from the river

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Speaker 7: to the sea, and you say what river and what

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Speaker 7: sea and they don't know which have personally happened in

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Speaker 7: conversations that I've had.

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Speaker 6: And I can't gauge how well young people grapple with history,

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Speaker 6: but what I can speak to is they're grappling with

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Speaker 6: the here and now, and they they are witnessing images

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Speaker 6: that are life streamed, that are coming out every day,

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Speaker 6: you know. And yes, there is misinformation and disinformation, but

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Speaker 6: a lot of it is real. And I think there's

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Speaker 6: a genuine anger in the United States and around the

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Speaker 6: world that some of that anger is deflected.

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Speaker 7: But Robbie, I'm angry about all of the human rights abuses.

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Speaker 7: I'm angry about all of the excessive use of force.

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Speaker 7: I'm angry about you know, what happened on October seventh

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Speaker 7: in Israel and what happened in Gaza. I'm angry about

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Speaker 7: what Russia is doing in Ukraine. I'm angry about Sudan.

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Speaker 7: I'm angry about the Eastern Congo. I mean, I think

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Speaker 7: we should be all looking at the tragedies and the

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Speaker 7: conflicts that are bringing about so much suffering and be

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Speaker 7: dealing with them. That's why the National Security Strategy is

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Speaker 7: not to my liking, because I think the United States

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Speaker 7: has an important role in trying to resolve these conflicts

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Speaker 7: and alleviate the suffering and give people a chance to

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Speaker 7: have peaceful, prosperous lives. That should be our goal, that

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Speaker 7: is in America's interests. I don't care where in the

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Speaker 7: world you are, so of course, the suffering in Gaza

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Speaker 7: is horrific, full stop suffering everywhere is horrific.

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Speaker 2: Suffering everywhere is horrific. And I mean she uses a

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Speaker 2: lot of tactics there that we've seen deployed before. I mean,

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Speaker 2: first of all, just suffering in Gaza. No attribution of blame,

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Speaker 2: of course, no attribution of blame on the United States,

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Speaker 2: no attribution of blame on Israel's if this is just

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Speaker 2: like a natural disaster that occurred in Oh my gosh,

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Speaker 2: these poor children, if only someone would do something, but

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Speaker 2: no direct assignment of blame. That's one thing, and then

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Speaker 2: the other where the other one of well, suffering everywhere

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Speaker 2: is horrific with the suggestion, the suggestion always, the subtext

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Speaker 2: there always is that, well, you only care about this

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Speaker 2: one because you're anti Semitic is basically the subtext there.

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Speaker 2: And if you aren't as focused on, you know, other

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Speaker 2: suffering other places in the world, it can only be

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Speaker 2: because you're anti Semitic. And also an attempt to sort

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Speaker 2: of like diffuse and deflect of like, well, of course

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Speaker 2: they care about that, but I care about other things

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Speaker 2: as well, So let's talk about those other things and

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Speaker 2: not so much talk about this one.

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Speaker 4: So classic sort of liberal.

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Speaker 2: Zionist I would say, deflection tactics. Not to mention the

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Speaker 2: you know, original assertion from her in the original comments

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Speaker 2: and reasserted here as well that well, it's just complicated.

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Speaker 4: You just don't really understand.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I mean there's a little bit of an

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Speaker 5: irony here in that people who make the argument Clinton

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Speaker 5: was just laying out about this being rooted in anti Semitism,

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Speaker 5: and the tell being that people are obsessed with this

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Speaker 5: particular conflict. You know, people right now are who make

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Speaker 5: the argument are very upset about this forum being in

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Speaker 5: Doha and Tucker Carlson going and all of these other

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Speaker 5: people taking money from Cutter, the United States supporting Cutter.

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Speaker 3: Why well, because the United States is involved with Cutter.

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Speaker 5: That is the same reason that people are upset, particularly

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Speaker 5: about Israel Palestine. It's that they don't like they believe

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Speaker 5: as Americans they have a responsibility to have an obligation

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Speaker 5: to follow this particular conflict so closely because it is

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Speaker 5: so heavily dependent on US involvement. Yeah uh, you know,

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Speaker 5: a fifth of you of Israel's annual military budget. That

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Speaker 5: might even be an understatement. You know, the the permission

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Speaker 5: structure that Yahoo was reliant on, whether it was Biden

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Speaker 5: or Trump to continue prosecuting the war like that is

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Speaker 5: the reason for the level of attention. And I remember,

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Speaker 5: you know, obviously, as somebody who is Christian, the treatment

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Speaker 5: of Christians in Nigeria is like horrifying to me. But

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Speaker 5: a lot of times that is used by people on

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Speaker 5: the right to say, see the anti Semits they don't

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Speaker 5: care what's happening to the Christians in Nigeria. It's like

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Speaker 5: a couple of months ago, I was like, I'm looking

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Speaker 5: it up. I'm going to see how much money, how

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Speaker 5: much aid is in one place versus the other.

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Speaker 3: It's not close.

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Speaker 5: I mean in terms of like percentage of even if

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Speaker 5: you look at percentage of animal budgets, what does USAID constitute?

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Speaker 5: So it's obvious. I mean, it's just it's that line

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Speaker 5: drives me up a wall. Because, of course it's true

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Speaker 5: that some anti some anti Semites are completely obsessed with

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Speaker 5: Israel and will find any reason to criticize Israel at

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Speaker 5: every turn because they're anti Semitic.

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Speaker 3: Of course that's true, but to.

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Speaker 5: Impugne the motives of people who care about this particular

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Speaker 5: conflict because the US has a heavy level of involvement,

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Speaker 5: it's the same reason people make the arguments about you.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's just Ukraine, Like.

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Speaker 5: It's just all it's sophistry dressed up as a sophistication.

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Speaker 5: And by the way, the guy who's doing that interview,

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Speaker 5: I was like, wow, I need to look up who

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Speaker 5: that was because it was.

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Speaker 3: Really well handled.

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Speaker 5: That was rabb Agra Wall of foreign politary. I was

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Speaker 5: actually just on his podcast and his voice was familiar.

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Speaker 3: I was like, I don't that is.

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Speaker 5: Fantastic job sticking it to her and saying this is

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Speaker 5: different than what you're saying it is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you said one thing.

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Speaker 5: I mean, even asking her about that I thought was

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Speaker 5: pretty bold, because she's the type of person that's now

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Speaker 5: seen as like an August states.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's sort of unimpeachable character. Yeah, right, sorts of things.

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Speaker 5: Right, people use these opportunities to sort of fawn over her, Yes,

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Speaker 5: very deferential.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I thought that was actually really impressive.

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Speaker 2: You know what I've witnessed too, is I mean, first

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Speaker 2: of all, to your point, there is just no other

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Speaker 2: country that we have a comparable relationship to as Israel. No, like,

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Speaker 2: there is just no other country. That is part of

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Speaker 2: what makes the Somali memes so funny.

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Speaker 4: Yes, right, it's.

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Speaker 2: Because they're they're postularly like they have all this influence,

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Speaker 2: all this money behind them and a packed back. Of

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Speaker 2: course they don't, right, not nearly on the scale. If

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Speaker 2: they do nothing like the scale of what Israel has

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Speaker 2: in terms of their influence operation here, in terms of

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Speaker 2: what has been lockstep bipartisan support for decades that is

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Speaker 2: only now coming unraveled. And so there's just nothing comparable

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Speaker 2: that you could point to of another country that has

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Speaker 2: similar level of influence, similar type relationship as we do

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Speaker 2: with this one nation.

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Speaker 4: So that's one thing too.

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Speaker 2: But you know, I'll tell you as someone on the left,

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Speaker 2: what I've witnessed is as people have had their eyes

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Speaker 2: open to our malign influence in.

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Speaker 4: Terms of, you know, the horrors that are being perpetrated.

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Speaker 2: In Gaza, it has made them more open to, Okay, well,

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Speaker 2: what is what's going on in Sudan? Because you know,

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Speaker 2: with URSAF and this horrific massacres that they're perpetrating, and

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Speaker 2: we aren't the ones directly sending those bombs, but our ally,

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Speaker 2: the UAE is backing them, and we are certainly in

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Speaker 2: a position to put pressure on them to end their

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Speaker 2: support of OURSAF. We are certainly in a position to

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Speaker 2: use our influencer. And so what I've witnessed isn't that

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Speaker 2: people are like, oh, I only care about Gaza the

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Speaker 2: exclusion of everything else. In fact, what I've witnessed is

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Speaker 2: people sort of that being one area where they go

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Speaker 2: in really deep, and that opens their eyes to other

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Speaker 2: ways that we're impacting events around the world, and yes,

651
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Speaker 2: other horrors that are being perpetrated as well, and to

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Speaker 2: sort of expand their horizons rather than narrowing their focus

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Speaker 2: just to this one place.

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Speaker 3: What was it?

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Speaker 5: I mean, of course, it wasn't anti Semitism that made

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Speaker 5: people mad about what was happening in Nicaragua and Al Salvador.

657
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Speaker 5: It was US support, right like in the nineteen eighties,

658
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 5: it was US support the seventies, the eighties, it was

659
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 5: literally the very obvious issue of US support for backing death.

660
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Speaker 3: Squads all that sort of thing.

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Speaker 5: And again that does I think as far as like that,

662
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Speaker 5: it was a pretty similar side by side of people

663
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Speaker 5: who were furious at this at the US, not because

664
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Speaker 5: they really in every case, it wasn't that people were

665
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Speaker 5: sympathetic to the Sandinistas.

666
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 3: They were like average Americans.

667
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 5: Congress said that we could no longer fund it because

668
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 5: average Americans were like, hey, this is pretty bad, Like,

669
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Speaker 5: you know, they are priests that are being killed by

670
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Speaker 5: people using US weapons and US money and getting US backing.

671
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 5: So it wasn't just like sand Anista's sympathists who were

672
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:10,720
Speaker 5: like upset about that. It was people who were upset

673
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 5: about cruelty backed by US support.

674
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Speaker 4: Yeah, the US past dollar is going to that evil.

675
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,760
Speaker 5: Yes, and so argue against the actual argument. Stop making

676
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 5: suit up. It's not helping anyone.

677
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 4: What about this? What about that?

678
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Speaker 2: You don't get it, It's complicated, the problems TikTok, like

679
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 2: all of this. It just feels so tired at this point,

680
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,479
Speaker 2: I know too and out of at this late date,

681
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 2: so on a touch, so tired and just really quite pathetic.

682
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 2: I mean, I think if the biggest thing is, you know,

683
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 2: Hillary Clinton is not a person without knowledge and skill.

684
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 2: He's been in the political arena for a lot of

685
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 2: years at this point. And for her for this to

686
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 2: be the best that she can do on behalf of

687
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 2: the Zionist cause, I think shows you how much all

688
00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 2: of their arguments have just been thoroughly discredited, a really destroyed.

689
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 2: And that's why you see, you know, within the Democratic

690
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 2: Party support for Israel. I mean, it's dead, it's done,

691
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 2: it's over, and you're going to see that. You're already

692
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 2: seeing this playing out in a lot of Democratic primaries

693
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 2: right now. It is an earthquake within the Democratic Party.

694
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Speaker 2: It's an earthquake among young people in a really bipartisan manner.

695
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 5: Well, I was just going to say, I mean Hillary

696
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 5: Clinton is like a seen as a leading figure in

697
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 5: the Democratic Party, not without reason. I mean, she's the

698
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 5: presidential nominee ten years ago, and she is so like

699
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 5: clearly out of touch with where the party is. I mean,

700
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Speaker 5: has she talked to a significant number of young Democrats

701
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 5: because she's calling them anti Semitic right here, Like she's

702
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 5: she's calling them anti Semitic.

703
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,439
Speaker 4: Or stupid and stupid yea, yeah, yeah, And.

704
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 5: It's just such a giant cope rather than actually grappling

705
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 5: with it's not making their It's not making the situation

706
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 5: any easier at all. It's like how Republicans use we

707
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 5: were talking about this earlier in the show Obamacare to

708
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 5: not cope with healthcare problem. Like people actually want a

709
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 5: better healthcare system.

710
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 6: Right.

711
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 5: You can't just keep saying repeal Obamacare, repeal Obamaca. You

712
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,720
Speaker 5: have to actually deal with their argument.

713
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,280
Speaker 2: Mainstream Democrats are used to these sorts of arguments coming

714
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 2: at them from like a fringe group.

715
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Speaker 4: And her husband code pink.

716
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, her husband, you know, really like pioneered the strategy

717
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 2: of like punching left right and using that as a

718
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 2: way to bolster his credibility, and they just have this

719
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:31,280
Speaker 2: instinct for always doing that, and they haven't realized the way,

720
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 2: or she hasn't anyway realize the way the ground has

721
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 2: shifted where it's like, no, this isn't just you know, this.

722
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 4: Isn't just Bernie supporters or Bernie bros.

723
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 2: Or fringe lefts or democratics like this is this is

724
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 2: the entire Democratic Party at this point that agrees with

725
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 2: this position. And you are in line with maybe maybe

726
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 2: like ten percent of where the Democratic Party base is

727
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 2: at this point. So when you're punching left right now,

728
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,240
Speaker 2: you're punching like ninety percent of the party.

729
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 5: Another good exempt of why that Agrowell question was important

730
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 5: because if people don't publicly push her on that, she

731
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 5: doesn't even know. Yeah, I mean like she just attributes

732
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 5: it all the anti semitis right, idiocy? Right when you

733
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 5: have like the editor in chief of Foreign Policy doing

734
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 5: it on stage and it's going to.

735
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Speaker 4: Go viral, Yeah, patronizing.

736
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, you have to cope with that, all right.

737
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 4: Shall we get to Sidney Sweeney here excited about this, Let's.

738
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Speaker 2: F three up on the screen, and then we'll get

739
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Speaker 2: to what is actually a bigger story, but the Sidney

740
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 2: Sweeney one we're gonna start with because it's more fun.

741
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 4: In any case, You're.

742
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 3: Use Sidney Sweeney to talk about anti trust.

743
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all right, that's right, and Tim Dillon I

744
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 2: made that connection earlier as well.

745
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Speaker 4: With the vibe shift.

746
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, So you guys will remember she did this

747
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 2: interview who was what was the outlet? It was like

748
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 2: uh gq right that she sat down with the reason

749
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 2: of this interview that went super viral, especially on the

750
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 2: right because she got asked about the eugenics adjacent nature

751
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 2: of the American Eagle ad that she cut, and she

752
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 2: said at that point she was like, when I have

753
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 2: something to say on an issue, you'll hear from me,

754
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,720
Speaker 2: and sort of like shut her down in that moment.

755
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Speaker 4: So I was like, oh, this is amazing, blah blah blah.

756
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Speaker 3: Okay.

757
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 2: Then her movie that came out totally bombed at the

758
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Speaker 2: box office, the one about a like queer boxer that

759
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 2: she put on a bunch of weight for.

760
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Speaker 4: It was very sort of like artsy film. Hemsen.

761
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Speaker 2: I don't know if it was good or bad, but

762
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Speaker 2: I know it did very poorly at the box office

763
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Speaker 2: in any case, Now she's talking to People magazine, and

764
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Speaker 2: her tone is a little bit different here, Emily, she says,

765
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Speaker 2: I was honestly surprised by the reaction. I did it

766
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Speaker 2: because I love the genes and love the brand. I

767
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 2: don't support the views some people chose to connect to

768
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Speaker 2: the campaign. Me being one of those people, I have

769
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Speaker 2: a sign motives and labels.

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Speaker 4: To me that just aren't true.

771
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Speaker 2: So she keeps a veg right. She doesn't directly disavow

772
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Speaker 2: like eugenics or MAGA or white nationalism or any of that,

773
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Speaker 2: any of the sort of like broad groups that have

774
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 2: embraced her. She doesn't directly disavow them, but clearly very

775
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 2: different tone being struck here and her wanting to, you know,

776
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Speaker 2: sort of clean up what I guess she's she and

777
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 2: her pr team because all these these actors, like you

778
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 2: really shouldn't think of them as individual people, you know,

779
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 2: you should think of.

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Speaker 4: Them as like a whole team and a brand. It's

781
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 4: a business, it's a corporation.

782
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Speaker 3: It's Sidney Sweeney Inc. Exactly.

783
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 4: And so clearly Sidney Sweeney Inc.

784
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 2: Decided that this direction was not going all that particularly

785
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,879
Speaker 2: well for her, and there needed to be a recalibration.

786
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 5: It's so funny because this is given as a statement

787
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 5: to People magazine. Yes, right, so it's not like she

788
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 5: put this on Instagram or anything. This is a complete

789
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 5: like why does it sound like it's not Sidney Sweeney

790
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 5: because it's not Sydney's.

791
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Speaker 4: Sweet workshopped r yeah statement.

792
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 5: She goes on to say, this might even be chatchepute.

793
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Speaker 5: Anyone who knows me knows that I'm trying to bring

794
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Speaker 5: people together. I'm against hate and divisiveness. In the past,

795
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 5: my stance has been to never respond to negative or

796
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 5: positive press, But recently I have come to realize that

797
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,280
Speaker 5: my silent regarding this issue has only widened the divide,

798
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Speaker 5: not closed it.

799
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Speaker 3: Not yet. Yeah, actually not all.

800
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Speaker 5: Then she goes say, so, I hope this new year

801
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Speaker 5: brings more focus on what connects us instead of what

802
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Speaker 5: divides us.

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Speaker 3: I mean, go on a statement to People magazine.

804
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Speaker 5: I don't even know, Like if this were in politics,

805
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 5: you know, you wouldn't run with the statement as news

806
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 5: because it's so it's such a pr It's like running

807
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:27,760
Speaker 5: a press release for Sidney Sweeney.

808
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 3: Basically to just go with this as a quote exclusive,

809
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 3: which is what People magazine.

810
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 5: Did I get it, it's entertainment news, But yes, clearly

811
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Speaker 5: somebody on the team was like Sidney Sweeney with gen Z,

812
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Speaker 5: which is true. Gen Z girls are kind of her

813
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 5: should be I would imagine her target demo, but.

814
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Speaker 4: I don't think they are.

815
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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I'm sure it's men.

816
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Speaker 5: But like for selling genes, you would want your value

817
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 5: to American Eagle is that you're selling women's genes. And

818
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 5: so if she wants to keep getting deals like the

819
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Speaker 5: American Eagle one, she has to have some appeal with

820
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 5: younger women, and younger women are like liberal, like increasingly liberal.

821
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Speaker 4: There outside was then die in that fight?

822
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Speaker 3: Oh my god ten times out of ten.

823
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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, Like I literally was just writing a piece

824
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 5: about this, like young women are They're accelerating to the left,

825
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 5: and so the vibe shift did not.

826
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Speaker 3: Come for young women. The vibe shift came for young men,

827
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Speaker 3: not young women.

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Speaker 5: And so clearly Sidney Sweeney's teams like and I wonder,

829
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Speaker 5: actually if this is influenced at all by American Eagle.

830
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 5: Middle of Christmas season, Christmas shopping season, people should be asking.

831
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 3: For the American Egle jeans.

832
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 5: I definitely got American Egle jeans for Christmas twenty years ago,

833
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 5: so that I wonder if it has something to do

834
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Speaker 5: with American Eagle sales too.

835
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Speaker 4: Could be, could be?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I am curious what kind of factored into this.

837
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Speaker 2: And you know, I mean in terms of her personal views,

838
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 2: it almost doesn't really matter. Like she did she registered

839
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 2: as a Republican in Florida, so we know she has

840
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 2: and recently so like during you know, Trump two point

841
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 2: zero and mad and the Vibe Shift and whatever, she

842
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 2: registers as a Republican in Florida, which is a choice.

843
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 2: So you know, I mean think we have a general

844
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 2: sense of what her political leanings are. She comes from

845
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 2: a conservative family whatever. I do not buy that she

846
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:15,399
Speaker 2: and her whole team because again we're not just talking

847
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 2: about Sidney Sweeney. We're talking about a whole team that

848
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 2: they did not realize what they were flirting with in

849
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 2: that American Eagle at I think they knew.

850
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Speaker 4: I think they were fully in.

851
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Speaker 2: With the Vibe Shift, thought she could be a sort

852
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,399
Speaker 2: of pin up for the right and was by the way,

853
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,919
Speaker 2: and already was occupying that space. So they thought, okay,

854
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 2: this is a good way to lean into this. This

855
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 2: is where the culture is going this will help us,

856
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 2: like this is where we are now, and so we're

857
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 2: going to play with these concepts that are in the air,

858
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 2: that are a little edgy and controversial for fun and profit.

859
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 2: And so she did that, and you know, thought that

860
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Speaker 2: that was like the lane for her to occupy up

861
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 2: until recently, when you have you have a political vibe shift,

862
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 2: which is why I connected us to Tim Dillon and

863
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,240
Speaker 2: his comments. You have a very clear political vibe shift.

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Speaker 2: Whatever vibe shift young men had been caught up that

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Speaker 2: in that is also dissipated. I mean, the numbers for

866
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 2: Trump among young men are almost as devastating as they

867
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Speaker 2: are among young women.

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Speaker 5: So on cultural issues, young men are still like attracted

869
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Speaker 5: to certain things that young women aren't, like certain cultural questions.

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Speaker 4: They're still more liberal than every other generation.

871
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 5: They absolutely are, just meaning that there's a golf culturally

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Speaker 5: between young men and young women. Like young men have

873
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:31,800
Speaker 5: different opinions on like trans immigration, like they tend to

874
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Speaker 5: still be polarized from women.

875
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 2: On those maybe the case, but in terms of affirmative

876
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 2: support for MAGA, no, that's totally different.

877
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 4: Dead and gone right.

878
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 2: And if you're doing an American Eagle brand I mean,

879
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,720
Speaker 2: she really created a brand that wasn't really pitching herself

880
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 2: to young women. It really was leaning hard into the

881
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 2: male case. The problem with that is, number one, there's

882
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 2: no loyalty there. Right the minute you put on some

883
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 2: weight and do an artsy film, they're like, oh my god,

884
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:57,439
Speaker 2: it's like, what are you doing.

885
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 4: That's not what I'm here for.

886
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 3: Right, You're an athlete, Like.

887
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,439
Speaker 2: The minute you you know, you hit a certain age,

888
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 2: it's over for you, or show any sign of aging,

889
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 2: like it's over. You know, if that's what you're catering

890
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 2: towards you, there's not gonna be any loyalty or longevity there.

891
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 2: And if you're trying air American Eagle carries, you know,

892
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 2: genes for men and women or you know, young people

893
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 2: of any gender, so the male audience matters there. But yeah,

894
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 2: if you are wanting to sell to women, you're really

895
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 2: sort of isolating yourself and ostracizing yourself from that part

896
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 2: of the market. So, you know, I don't know that

897
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,479
Speaker 2: the box office bomb, and this wasn't her first box

898
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,760
Speaker 2: office bomb, by the way, that that really had anything

899
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 2: directly to do with like the magaflirtation and all these

900
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 2: sorts of things. But maybe her team feels like it did,

901
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 2: maybe she feels like it did. Maybe the dynamics was

902
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 2: Zundaya were also like personally taxing for her. I don't know,

903
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:54,720
Speaker 2: but to me, it's sort of emblematic of a movement

904
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 2: in the culture that we see in other you know,

905
00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 2: in other spaces as well.

906
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean gets into our next story, because Hollywood

907
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 5: is still not like an easy place to be seen

908
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 5: as quote pro Trump and I bet people were uncomfortable

909
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 5: working for Sidney Sweeney with this new reputation that she

910
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 5: was getting as someone who's like hardcore Maga and is

911
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 5: like a almost a mascot for Maga.

912
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Speaker 3: So I'm sure some of that was uncomfortable.

913
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 5: But just to get into the anti trust component, we

914
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 5: can but f two on the screen.

915
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:30,760
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, we can. We can. One second.

916
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Speaker 5: We actually have a clip of Donald Trump, who was

917
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 5: on the red carpet of the Kennedy Center Honors last night.

918
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Speaker 3: Which he hosted.

919
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:39,280
Speaker 5: We should know Donald Trump hosted the Kennedy Center Honors.

920
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 3: Maybe that'll be a presidential tradition. So glad that Joe

921
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 3: Biden didn't do that.

922
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 5: Actually, we could have gotten some great moments out of

923
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 5: Joe Biden attempting a late night Kennedy Center honors.

924
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

925
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 5: So Trump is asked about this attempted merger between Netflix

926
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 5: and Warner Brothers and says something very interesting on the

927
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 5: red carpet last night at the Kennedy Center.

928
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Speaker 3: Let's roll this pretty allowed to buy Warner Brothers.

929
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Speaker 8: Should Well, that's a question. They have a very big

930
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Speaker 8: market share, and when they have Warner Brothers, you know

931
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 8: that chair goes up a lot. So I don't know

932
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Speaker 8: that's going to be for some economists to tell. And

933
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Speaker 8: also and I'll be involved in that decision too, but

934
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:17,479
Speaker 8: they have a very big market share.

935
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Speaker 5: Did he make any guarantees to you about the merger

936
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Speaker 5: if they do merge? Now, No, not at all.

937
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 8: He came up. He was in the Oval office last week.

938
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Speaker 8: I have a lot of respect for him. He's a

939
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 8: great he's a great person. But he's done one of

940
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 8: the greatest jobs in the history of movies and other things.

941
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Speaker 8: And he's got a lot of interesting things happening aside

942
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Speaker 8: from what you're talking about. But it is a big

943
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 8: market share. Here's a question, though.

944
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Speaker 5: So that is I mean, he said I'll be involved

945
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 5: in that decision. There you go now we can put

946
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 5: F two on the screen. This is the Netflix CEO.

947
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 5: Not a surprising story at all, but this is Ted

948
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 5: Strandos meeting with According to Bloomberg, Donald Trump in the

949
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 5: Oval Office just mentioned actually in the clip, and so

950
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 5: the connection was any sweety crystal. Basically is that the

951
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 5: vibe shift sort of came last year. Will remember, like

952
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 5: this exact time last year, it looked like Hollywood, Silicon Valley,

953
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 5: We're all getting swept up in kind of reckoning with

954
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,320
Speaker 5: the reality that they'd alienated a lot of the country

955
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 5: and that Donald Trump was going to be mercurial and

956
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 5: was going to wield his power where he wanted you

957
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 5: to kind of come kiss the ring in an aggressive

958
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 5: way and then.

959
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 3: He would reward you in reward you back.

960
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 5: Now, this deal, this attempt a merger, which looks like

961
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,439
Speaker 5: a pretty clear cut violation of the Clayton Act, although

962
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 5: another that stuff is super clear cutcuse it depends on

963
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 5: how you define market share.

964
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Speaker 3: And all of that.

965
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 5: It's already getting criticism from Mike Lee and Republicans and

966
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 5: it's getting absolutely panned across Hollywood. There is no love

967
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 5: in Hollywood for this. I mean, it's predicted to absolutely

968
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 5: decimate theaters. You could under and why. But people are

969
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 5: pissed about this. It is not going well for Netflix.

970
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 2: So far well, and we've got a new factor to

971
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 2: add in as well. I think we can add this

972
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Speaker 2: and post this New York Times tearshet because we're just

973
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 2: learning now. Paramount, headed by David Ellison, is making a

974
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 2: hostile bid for Warner Brothers Discovery.

975
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 4: I'll just read from this tear sheet.

976
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 2: Paramount on Monday mounted a hostile takeover bid for Warner

977
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 2: Brothers Discovery, a brazen attempt to secure a Hollywood prize

978
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 2: snatched away by Netflix. Last week, Netflix announced an eighty

979
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 2: three billion dollar deal to buy a big part of

980
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,359
Speaker 2: Warner Brothers Discovery and Friday, in an agreement approved by

981
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 2: the boards of both companies. In a news release on Monday,

982
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 2: Paramount went around the Warner Brothers Discovery board and straight

983
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 2: to shareholders with what it called a superior offer. Paramount

984
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 2: said it would pay thirty dollars per share in cash,

985
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 2: valuing the company around one hundred and eight billion dollars

986
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 2: including debt. Said it was going to shareholders because the

987
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 2: board of Warner Brothers Discovery is pursuing an inferior proposal

988
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:01,760
Speaker 2: that would lead to a challenging regulatory approval process. Paramount

989
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,280
Speaker 2: has offered to buy all of Warner Brothers Discovery, including

990
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 2: the Warner Brothers Movie Studio, the HBO Max streaming service,

991
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,720
Speaker 2: in a portfolio of cable channels, including CNN. The cable

992
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 2: channels are not part of the Netflix deal. We believe

993
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 2: our offer will create a stronger Hollywood. David Ellison, the

994
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 2: chief executive Paramount, CID a press release.

995
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 4: It is in the best.

996
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 2: Interests of the creative community, consumers, and the movie theater industry.

997
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:29,879
Speaker 2: Warner Brothers Discovery had no immediate comment. How about none

998
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 2: of these would be in the.

999
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 4: Best interest of creating a stronger Hollywood.

1000
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 3: How ants stopped mergers?

1001
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this is this was expected from David Ellison,

1002
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 2: and this has been a concern both because obviously of

1003
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 2: the corporate consolidation, but also because of Ellison's ideological leanings.

1004
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 2: So he is pro Trump's quotes, Trump ally very zionist,

1005
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 2: pro Israel. You know, we've seen what's going on at CBS.

1006
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,439
Speaker 2: I mean, he's you know, so we're the idea here

1007
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 2: is you have a consolidation of all these media properties.

1008
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 2: Now under and like affirmative avowed Trump supporter, and so

1009
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 2: more sort of like state influence on media bleeding over

1010
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 2: into these other outlets, including HBO, Max, including CNN, So

1011
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 2: obviously really significant there.

1012
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:15,240
Speaker 4: So now you, I guess, have these.

1013
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 2: Two rival bids and even more uncertainty about what may

1014
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 2: ultimately happen here, right, And what's the goal?

1015
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 5: I mean, that's Matt stolar over a big which is

1016
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 5: the essential newsletter to read if you don't on these questions,

1017
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 5: and he's been following the Hollywood stuff a lot, absolutely

1018
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 5: open question as to what the goal of Netflix is

1019
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 5: with this merger. You have to basically freeze the assets

1020
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 5: of the competitor that you're trying to merge with. In

1021
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,359
Speaker 5: a case like this is what does David Ellison think

1022
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:47,799
Speaker 5: is going to come of this? Is he trying to

1023
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 5: block Netflix from hurting the competitiveness of Warner like this is?

1024
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 5: This is succession level drama, obviously, And I wonder what

1025
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 5: we're seeing a little bit is somebody like Sarandos And

1026
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 5: maybe you could argue even Ellison, who, by the way,

1027
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 5: Trump did get to green light the new rush Hour movie,

1028
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:10,240
Speaker 5: So something good will.

1029
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 3: Come of this that actually happened. I don't know if

1030
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 3: you get did you guys cover that like we did it?

1031
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 4: But I did see that it happened yet like.

1032
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 5: Just the perfect Trump story in every level, but it did.

1033
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 5: It was there an overreach that has spawned serious backlash

1034
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 5: that ends up actually hurting them more than it helps

1035
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 5: them because they've overreached.

1036
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1037
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 5: That's I think an open question right now. And I

1038
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 5: think the sort of way that we can make this

1039
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 5: full circle with Sidney Sweety is that none of what

1040
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 5: everyone was feeling this time last year was permanent, and

1041
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 5: could the Trump administration have come in a second time

1042
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 5: around and maintained that cultural momentum. I don't know, but

1043
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 5: it's kind of an interesting counterfactual to ponder.

1044
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1045
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 2: Well, and they also came in with a lot of

1046
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 2: you know, gestures towards the anti Tross movement and some

1047
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 2: you know, even personnel decisions that were like oh maybe

1048
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 2: you know, and some of the anti trust moments started

1049
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 2: under the first Trump administration and now that's just been

1050
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:13,720
Speaker 2: basically completely abandoned. And certainly where tech world is concerned,

1051
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 2: I mean, they're just given whatever whatever they want, and

1052
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 2: if you can get in with good with Trump, you're

1053
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 2: going to get your deals approved, and that's pretty much

1054
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 2: how he operates. Now, they can use it as a

1055
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 2: weapon against you if they hate you, then I'm you know,

1056
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 2: I don't think anyone would be surprised to see them

1057
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 2: using it as a weapon instead of just using it

1058
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 2: as like a neutral enforcement mechanism. And that's really one

1059
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:36,319
Speaker 2: of the things that Trump has completely not to say

1060
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 2: that the government's been perfect in terms of being neutral,

1061
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:44,359
Speaker 2: but the general expectation was that the government bureaucracy would

1062
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:48,479
Speaker 2: be neutral in its adjudication of these questions. And Trump

1063
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:51,360
Speaker 2: doesn't even pretend that that's a goal, like that's just

1064
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 2: out the window.

1065
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 5: So and he says he's going to be involved in

1066
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 5: the decision. So there's another component of it. If you

1067
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 5: want to keep getting in Donald Trump's good graces, you

1068
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:00,399
Speaker 5: know how to do it.

1069
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 3: Apparently the Oval office is open.

1070
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, not hard to figure that one out, all right, guys, Well,

1071
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:07,320
Speaker 2: thank you so much for watching, Emily, Thank you for

1072
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 2: filling in today.

1073
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:11,800
Speaker 5: I'm always happy to happy to help pick up Sager

1074
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 5: slack and then to call him out for slacking. I'll

1075
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 5: never just do it out of the goodness of my own.

1076
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 4: I know he appreciates that about you.

1077
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 3: I'll do it to roast him. That's my real motivation.

1078
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Speaker 2: I enjoy that aspect of your personality as well. I

1079
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,760
Speaker 2: think it should be we'll see how Sager's doing tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Should be me and Sager tomorrow, but we'll see. In

1081
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Speaker 2: any case, you guys have a great day.

1082
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Speaker 4: We're going to do.

1083
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 2: I'm going to do the AMA with producer Mac I

1084
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 2: think because Emily has to jump. But if you want

1085
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:42,000
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Speaker 4: See you guys soon,