1 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:16,319 Speaker 1: The show goes on. This is the official show on 2 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: the Fists Stripes podcast channel with me Eli Sussman, the 3 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 1: managing editor of Fitzstripes, where we cover your Miami Marlins 4 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 1: every day, every hour, every minute, every seconds counting down 5 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: to the MLB trade deadline in our own way. You 6 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: can find our full coverage on fisstripes dot com. 7 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 2: Go to Fishstripes dot. 8 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: Com exclusive angles and content bits from it on each 9 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:51,480 Speaker 1: of our social media platforms. 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This format for episode will be 19 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: different than our usual Monday stuff, not doing all the 20 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: granular reviews of the past three games, because all three 21 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: of those games against the Mets were pretty shitty, and frankly, 22 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: we're at a time of year where it's all small potatoes. 23 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: I think we're long time removed from understanding exactly where 24 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: this season was headed for the Marlins, and that these 25 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: individual games, I'm going to be clued into every single 26 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: one of them, but the actual results is not quite 27 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: as important as perhaps it was during the first three 28 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: plus months of the season. The trade deadline, as you're 29 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: listening to this, will be barely one day away, coming 30 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: up on Tuesday at six pm. A lot of different 31 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: things the Marlins can do. It's almost a guarantee that 32 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:13,920 Speaker 1: they will do something that we were not anticipating. But 33 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:16,639 Speaker 1: the one key name in the middle of all this, 34 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 1: perhaps the one biggest trade chip that could potentially actually 35 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: be moved by the Marlins during this trade deadline, is 36 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: Pablo Lopez, the number two pitcher in their rotation, one 37 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:32,519 Speaker 1: of the longest tenured players on this team, one of 38 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:36,519 Speaker 1: the most well liked guys by his teammates, by fans, 39 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: by the media. For what it's worth, and I was 40 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: thinking to make this episode a pros and cons debated 41 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 1: discussion about the idea of trading Pablo Lopez, why they 42 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 1: could do it and should do it, why they shouldn't 43 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: do it. And as I was putting it together, I 44 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 1: realized that one list was a lot longer than the other, 45 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: and the list that was longer was the cons to 46 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: not deal him, to hold onto him at least for 47 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: the remainder of the twenty twenty two season. On the 48 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: other side of this break, that's what we're going to do, 49 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 1: breaking down the Pablo Lopez situation, all the factors going 50 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,679 Speaker 1: into this decision that the Marlins are about to make. 51 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 1: Stay tuned. We start this off by asking simply, who 52 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: is Pablo Lopez as a baseball player for the Marlins. 53 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 3: That's an interesting question. 54 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 2: Been talked about a lot. 55 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 3: That's an interesting question. 56 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: In his fifth season with the team, been used exclusively 57 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: as a starter with the Marlins. For all the experience 58 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: he has in terms of ennings, pitch and games started, 59 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: he's top twenty in Marlin's history in the entire history 60 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: of the franchise, as well as in wins above replacement, 61 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: the actual value of his production over that time. And 62 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:56,119 Speaker 1: yet he is still just twenty six years old. That's 63 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: the kind of age where you can dream about players 64 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: even better. There are some players that are just getting 65 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 1: started at the majors at twenty six and continue to 66 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: grow and grow from here. But this season about very 67 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: similar to his previous two, if not a tick better 68 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 1: in certain ways, even after getting his ass kicked on Sunday, 69 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: and it really was, I think, by any measure, his 70 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 1: worst outing of the twenty twenty two season. Even after that, 71 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: a three point four to one er, a three point 72 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: six zero fielder, independent pitching in one hundred and eighteen 73 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: and two thirds endings pitched. Incorporating this really short outing, 74 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: he's still averaging about five and two thirds endings pitched 75 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:46,719 Speaker 1: per start this season, and he's been really effective by 76 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 1: every measure. He has been kind of, undoubtedly the number 77 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: two starter in this Marlins rotation here in twenty twenty two. 78 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: He's not Sandy. He doesn't need to be Sandy, because 79 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: you need at any given five game stretch, you need 80 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 1: five different starting pitchers, and he has been the number 81 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:09,919 Speaker 1: two for this Marlins team this season. 82 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 2: That's good. Not as good as the fastball from Pablo, 83 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 2: but still good. Oh two pitch he did frozen second 84 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 2: time tonight. He has struck out the side nine CA's. 85 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: What he does is it's not based too heavily on stuff. 86 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: You know. He has one thing I've noticed, especially as 87 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: this year has gone on and as people have noticed, 88 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: kind of a gradual slip in his performance after being 89 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 1: amazing in April, He's been for the most part more 90 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: average ish as a starting pitcher ever since then. But 91 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: I think one thing that for the most part, with 92 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: the exception of Sunday, that has kept him being really 93 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: good is well kept him being as I said, kind 94 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 1: of average ish, is the re emergence of this curveball 95 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 1: that he has his pit mix. It's a four seemer, 96 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 1: a sinker that signature change up as well. And the 97 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 1: other pitch that has been increasingly good for him in 98 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: recent starts has been this curveball, one that he throws 99 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: in the low eighties sometimes the high seventies. That used 100 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:21,919 Speaker 1: to be more of just a show me pitch, and 101 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: for a while it was a no show pitch. He 102 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: wouldn't even use it, And now he's getting some strikeouts 103 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 1: on it. He's getting some chases against both kind of 104 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: lefties and righties on this curveball of his, including throwing 105 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 1: it thirteen times on Sunday he had more swinging strikes 106 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: on his curveball than all his other pitches combined. So 107 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 1: this is a guy that makes adjustments. I think a 108 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: lot of people are aware of his backstory, but this 109 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 1: is a remarkably cerebral person, somebody that I guess, unlike 110 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: a lot of players, would have been just fine career 111 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: wise if baseball did not come into the picture. He 112 00:06:57,680 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: could have gone on to medical school. He could have 113 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 1: been a doctor. The way that he, as a Venezuelan 114 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: Spanish speaker, has learned English and becomes so fluent in 115 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: English that is not typical of a person. It is 116 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: hard to do at this stage of his life, and 117 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: he has done it brilliantly. He's a great communicator, and 118 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: he's a great analyst of his own pitching styles. 119 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 3: There's a lot of days that you're not going to 120 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 3: have your ay game, your best stuff, but you still 121 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 3: have to find a way to, you know, put up 122 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 3: zeros leading the damage. So even though a lot of 123 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 3: things were not feeling good today, I think Jacob and 124 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 3: I did a good job at just making pitches when 125 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 3: we needed to, keeping guys of balance. He threw our 126 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 3: guy on base trying to steal a base and that's 127 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 3: a huge help, you know. So I think you want 128 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 3: to be that. You want to be like the kind 129 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 3: of player that even when things are not going good, 130 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 3: you're still able to give results and give your team 131 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 3: a chance. So in that aspect, I think that never 132 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 3: goes away. You know, it's competing, competing, competing, and trying 133 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 3: to give you your team a chance. 134 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: As we have seen the way that he has evolved, 135 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: the way that he has improved the commands of his 136 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 1: four seemer with Sunday not being in, that's been a 137 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 1: bad example of it. In general, different things that we've 138 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: noticed the last few years. He hasn't been exactly the 139 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: same pitching profile over these three years. There's been like 140 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: more of an emphasis on throwing his four seamer up 141 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: in the zone and getting whiffs on it, and as 142 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 1: I said, the way that his curve ball has kind 143 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 1: of come in and out as a pitch that he 144 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,719 Speaker 1: could use. He's made a lot of interesting adjustments from 145 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 1: start to start and even from seasons to season in 146 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: order to sustain being a very good major league starting pitcher. 147 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 1: He is extraordinarily cheap. This year for the Marlins, they 148 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: took him to an arbitration hearing, which was very unpopular 149 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 1: and very disappointing in my eyes, that he wanted three 150 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 1: million dollars. They counter with two point four to five million, 151 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: and they couldn't bridge that gap, and they won the 152 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 1: arbitration case against Pablo in order to lock him into 153 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 1: that lower salary, which also impacts what he's going to 154 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: make over the next couple of seasons. So from the 155 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:17,079 Speaker 1: team perspective, why they should be no hurry to trade 156 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 1: him is because he's going to continue to be a 157 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 1: bargain next year as well. I would estimate that his 158 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 1: salary is going to easily double, potentially triple into like 159 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: the seven million dollar range, and that's probably the upper 160 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 1: limit for somebody that fell just short of All Star honors, 161 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: for someone that I don't know for sure if he's 162 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: going to make thirty one to thirty two starts or 163 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: whether they would be more careful with him, because these 164 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: are kind of these are endings that he hasn't thrown 165 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: before in a major league season, like he had it 166 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: all together, and he's good enough to like very noticeably 167 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: impact your team, and yet he is not quite enough 168 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: of a standout in order to get paid very well, 169 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 1: based on the kind of arcade system that we use 170 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 1: to compensate guys before they reach free agency, he's going 171 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: to be a bargain next year, and he's going to 172 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: be arbitration eligible the year after that, in all likelihood 173 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: going to be again somebody that earns well below their 174 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: market value before he's able to test the market two 175 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:21,719 Speaker 1: and a half years away from now. Something that I 176 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 1: don't think we talked about much is that Sandy Alcntra, 177 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 1: you know, the hard and soul of this team, I 178 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: guess the most essential piece of this team for the 179 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: firsteble future. Sandy considers Pablo his best friends on the 180 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: Marlins roster. Like he said that repeatedly. The relationship that 181 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:44,959 Speaker 1: they have, I think that has been covered more extensively 182 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 1: this year than it has in years past. Both of 183 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:48,959 Speaker 1: them broke through to the Majors, well, I should say 184 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: broke through to the Marlins in the Majors during the 185 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: same series. If you remember, in the middle of twenty eighteen, 186 00:10:56,160 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 1: they came up together, and they have been kind of 187 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 1: together throughout this entire thing. They understandably as guys that 188 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: are at the same stages of their careers, about the 189 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: same ages that play the same positions, that go through 190 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 1: a lot of shared experiences, it's not surprising that they 191 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: are very close with one another. If you want to 192 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: keep Sandy happy, I think it's not a small consideration 193 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 1: that having Pablo around for this team would be part 194 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: of that. So there's just another thing to just keep 195 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: in your minds when you're thinking about Pablo's availability. So 196 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 1: if you deal him, then where does that leave them 197 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: with the rotation, Because the people that are pushing hardest 198 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: for Pablo to get traded, they see the trade most. 199 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 1: I guess the most comparable situation was a couple of 200 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 1: days ago when Luis Castillo got traded from the Reds 201 00:11:56,440 --> 00:12:00,959 Speaker 1: to the Mariners for a package highlighted by Noel Marte, 202 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: who was who is a consensus elite prospect at the 203 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: very least a every day infielder in the majors and 204 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:15,079 Speaker 1: potentially in everyday shortstop in the majors with really great tools, 205 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 1: And he was just the headliner of that deal going 206 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:23,199 Speaker 1: to Cincinnati. Also Edwin Arroyo being another infielder whose stock 207 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 1: has exploded this year, and there were two other even 208 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 1: pieces in that as well that went to Cincinnati in 209 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: the deal for a pitcher that has one fewer years 210 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 1: of club control than Pablo, who is several years older 211 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: than Pablo is, and somebody that I think missed a 212 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 1: little bit of time on the injured list earlier this year. 213 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:45,679 Speaker 1: So the first place that my mind went, I'm sure 214 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: a lot of people were in the same way, is 215 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 1: seeing that return and lighting up, envisioning Pablo being able 216 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 1: to command something similar, if not slightly more, if not 217 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: maybe a little bit less, but something comparable to that. 218 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 1: I remind you that was a package of players that 219 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: have not been to the big leagues, and I think, 220 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 1: with one exception, guys that weren't even above double A 221 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: at this particular moment, Guys who aren't ready yet to 222 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: impact winning at the major league level. The expectation is 223 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: that a big incentive for trading Pablo right now is 224 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: not just to get young talent, but specifically to get 225 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: young position player talent with loud tools with high ceilings. 226 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: Right So, to get players like that, it wouldn't be 227 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: naturally you wouldn't really be getting rotation help in exchange 228 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: for Pablo. You'd be opening up a spot in your rotation. 229 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: So who fills that spot in the rotation right now. 230 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:51,199 Speaker 1: I mean because of just an avalanche of injuries. But 231 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: this Marlins team, there's it's not quite the same jam 232 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 1: we were anticipating even a couple of weeks ago. Most 233 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: most obviously Max My going down with an torn UCL 234 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 1: that will require Tommy John surgery. He's not pitching the 235 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 1: rest in this year and unlikely to pitch at all 236 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: even next year at the big league level, So he's 237 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: out of the picture. You could go to Cody Potit, 238 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: who show very exciting stuff out of the bullpend early 239 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: in the year, and he did some spot start duty. 240 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: He has an elbow issue that he aggravated. He's already 241 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: on the sixtyl. He's not going to be filling a 242 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: rotation spot in the near future either. Other guys Trevor 243 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: Rodgers should have gone to him. Second Trevor Rodgers. This 244 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: entire year has been almost a realistic worst case scenario 245 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 1: with Trevor. He has just not looked like himself at 246 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: any points during this entire year, especially over the last 247 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: two plus months. We could go on a whole podcast 248 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: episode trying to understand exactly what went wrong with Trevor, 249 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: and ultimately they've reached a breaking point just a few 250 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: days ago, allegedly experience backspasms during a bullpen session. I 251 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: think that the main motivation placing him on the injured 252 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: list is so that he can get some repetition, some 253 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 1: go through, some starts behind the scenes, you could say, 254 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: or out of the spotlight down in the minors on 255 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: a rehab assignment, because what he was doing in the majors, 256 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: one start after another after another, was not working, and 257 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 1: it was not the version of himself. It was not 258 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: really recognizable from the player that we saw last year, 259 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 1: at least in terms of results, you know, and a 260 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 1: lot of ways he did look familiar, and yet it 261 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: wasn't working. Pitching in many cases is just such a 262 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: difficult thing to prognosticate and to grasp, especially from year 263 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 1: to year. There's so much volatility there. So we have 264 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 1: Trevor Rodgers, who I think almost everybody entering this year 265 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 1: would have said that Trevor was ahead of Pablo in 266 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: the rotation hierarchy based on the All Star season he 267 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: had in twenty twenty one, and now you come to 268 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: this year where they very quietly demoted him. That's what 269 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 1: it was they put him. They said, it's on the 270 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 1: injured list and air quotes. But this is a demotion. 271 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 1: This is a demotion, and they do it out of 272 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: the way so that it's not quite as embarrassing for 273 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: the organization or the player. So that's another guy you 274 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: were counting on that could have really been fascinating to 275 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: watch down the stretch of this year, and it's just not. 276 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: He's in his own head and unable to contribute at 277 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 1: this time. So Lee's not filling any rotation spots either. 278 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 1: You have Sandy in the rotation, you have Braxing Garrett, 279 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: you have haesus Lozardo who is coming off the injured list, 280 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 1: Exciting to see him back in the mix based on 281 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: what he showed earlier this year. And then you have 282 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: a lot of question marks. You have Edward Cabrera who 283 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 1: is on the verge of returning from the IL as well. 284 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: But Edward, if you want to be fair to him, 285 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: in the big leagues the last two years, there's been 286 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: more bad than good to this point in his career, 287 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: so these are important reps for him. I am about 288 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: as intrigued to see him as anybody down the stretch 289 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: of this year, but it's not a foregone conclusion. That 290 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 1: he's going to pitch well enough to stick in the 291 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:09,880 Speaker 1: rotation these last couple of months of the year. He's 292 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: not somebody. He's a highly regarded prospect, but it's not 293 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 1: like we absolutely need to move heaven and Earth to 294 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 1: get him into the rotation right now. Like he's not 295 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: a reason why you should be going forcing yourself into 296 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: a pabolo trade at this particular time. Because even include 297 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 1: him and that's four, that's a four man rotation. Who else? 298 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 1: Who else? Maybe Nick Nidert who was dfaed by this 299 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 1: same organization less than four months ago. That does not 300 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:45,880 Speaker 1: scream a trustworthy, high priority starting pitcher to me, Daniel Costano, 301 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 1: we need to see what happens coming off this concussion, 302 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:50,879 Speaker 1: and he, in my opinion, should be even a lower 303 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 1: priority than Niger. It is. We could do this for 304 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:58,159 Speaker 1: a while now, but because of the injuries to guys 305 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 1: and also because of some other pitchers in the high 306 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,160 Speaker 1: miners that, let's face it, haven't been knocking down the door, 307 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 1: you know. Brian Hoeing showed some things that were pretty 308 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: interesting early in the year at double A and Triple A, 309 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: and he's been very meh for an extended period. Zach 310 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 1: mccamberley an early round drafting in twenty twenty. He's been 311 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,639 Speaker 1: very mediocre this year and has not forced the issue 312 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 1: either after entering this year as one of they're better 313 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:26,399 Speaker 1: pitching prospects. They could use somebody like Pablo down the 314 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 1: stretch of this season. Like they aren't exactly dealt with 315 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 1: hard decisions at this point when it comes to their rotation, 316 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 1: you know he still has in an obvious spot waiting 317 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: for him down the stretch. And as much as you 318 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 1: might be tempted to overreact to what happened on Sunday 319 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 1: allowing a career worst twelve hits in just two and 320 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 1: two theirs endings, if you've been watching this whole year, 321 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: he is He's good. He is good, and I think 322 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: he's a pretty safe bet to still be good the 323 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 1: remainder of this year, health permitting. Last thing on that 324 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 1: is based on all the names that I brought up, 325 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:07,159 Speaker 1: all the players that are already out with injuries and 326 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 1: those that had been out with injuries and are just 327 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:12,159 Speaker 1: coming back, like Cabrera and Lozardo, I mean to pretend 328 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 1: that we have any idea which of these guys are 329 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: truly durable or not to knock on Pablo just because 330 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,119 Speaker 1: you've seen him get hurt at the big league level. 331 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 1: That's nonsense. We don't really know. We don't really know 332 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: exactly what leads to pitching injuries. It's something that I've 333 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: mentioned on some of the other streams and Twitter spaces 334 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 1: we've done in recent days, is how disappointing this has 335 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:43,440 Speaker 1: been for the Marlins athletic training staff and medical team, 336 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 1: that all these injuries have piled up on them. They 337 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: made up plenty of personnel changes over the offseason, tweaked 338 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 1: some methodologies and philosophies and best practices on how to 339 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 1: keep guys healthy. At the end of the day, it 340 00:19:56,680 --> 00:20:01,400 Speaker 1: hasn't really worked. It's been a lot of critical players 341 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 1: suffering significant injuries in a variety of ways under careful watch, 342 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: even guys being treated with kid gloves. And yet it 343 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 1: is unable to stave off the unpredictable reality of injuries, 344 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 1: especially four pitchers in Major League Baseball. To think that 345 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 1: these next guys coming up are going to be more trustworthy, 346 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 1: more consistent health wise than Papolo is we have no idea. 347 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 1: We have no idea, and in the grand scheme of things, 348 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:32,639 Speaker 1: the fact that Pablo has made the majority of his 349 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 1: starts in one, two, three, four straight seasons, even in 350 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,639 Speaker 1: the years where he's missed time due to injury. The 351 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: fact that he has made the majority of his outings 352 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 1: that he hasn't required a single surgery. I don't think 353 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:48,119 Speaker 1: since undergoing Tommy John when he was a teenager in 354 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:53,160 Speaker 1: the Mariners system. Relative to what all these other guys 355 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:56,360 Speaker 1: go through, you know, Pablo isn't quite as fragile as 356 00:20:56,359 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: sometimes he has a reputation for being. One other thing 357 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:04,360 Speaker 1: I wanted to touch on was the importance of games over 358 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 1: the remainder of the season. So as I'm recording this, 359 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 1: heading into this new week, the Marlins are forty seven 360 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 1: and fifty five, awfully similar to where they were last year. 361 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:14,439 Speaker 1: It's just a couple games ahead where they were at 362 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 1: this stage last season. After the trade deadline. Last season, 363 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: the team went into sort of a soft tanking situation. 364 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:28,959 Speaker 1: They plummeted during that month of August. I remember that 365 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,639 Speaker 1: long losing streak. Yeah, I'm looking at it right now, 366 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 1: that losing streak in the second half of August as well, 367 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 1: and right near the end of the year in late September, 368 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:44,880 Speaker 1: they had a couple really really nauseating streaks of unwatchable 369 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,399 Speaker 1: baseball down the stretch for a team that was out 370 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: of contention and was in a situation where I think 371 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,239 Speaker 1: they could get away with being really bad and not 372 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 1: be totally destroyed because of it. This year is a 373 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 1: different story, I mean. And even if you're in a 374 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 1: similar situation at the deadline as year before, where I 375 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 1: think a lot of people hope to see them trading 376 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: some veteran players in order to replenish young talent with 377 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:15,439 Speaker 1: more complimentary pieces, as well, this team cannot lose ninety 378 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 1: five games again. They can't tank again for a top 379 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: ten draft pick that doesn't matter, that is not of 380 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 1: a high priority at this stage of the organization's rebuild. 381 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 1: The fact that they're still like in a rebuild five 382 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 1: years into this that itself is infuriating. They need to 383 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 1: win games down the stretch, because if they don't, then 384 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 1: you have to question, like everything, if they don't have 385 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:48,159 Speaker 1: enough homegrown talent at this point, well after making so 386 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: many of their most impactful trades, after a long time 387 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: into drafting their own players, having already made high draft 388 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: picks in twenty nineteen, and if none of those guys 389 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,719 Speaker 1: are contributing to this point in the year as well, 390 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: and they're losing games, then all of a sudden you 391 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 1: have to question, like almost all levels of this organization 392 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:14,879 Speaker 1: and whether anything they're doing is actually on the right track. 393 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 1: This is the way of saying they need to try 394 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: down the stretch, regardless of who's even on the roster, 395 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 1: with the combination of homegrown players and newly acquired players 396 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,439 Speaker 1: that they get on the deadline. It is important to 397 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 1: show the players on the team and of course to 398 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 1: show the fans that this team has taken a step 399 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: forward from last year. One reason why I myself was 400 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 1: very skeptical about their postseason chances this year is simply 401 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 1: looking at the history of teams that make a leap 402 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:47,639 Speaker 1: from ninety five losses to being in the postseason. It 403 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 1: is an anomaly when that happens for this Marlins team, 404 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 1: even one that went out of its way to make 405 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 1: some improvements. If they are in the same situation again, 406 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,159 Speaker 1: then you look forward to twenty twenty three when you 407 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:06,400 Speaker 1: see a team that unfortunately squandered away a good chunk 408 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 1: of their financial flexibility last offseason. They paid a good 409 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 1: amount of money for so lair and Garcia combined. Neither 410 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 1: one of those contracts are on its own debilitating combined 411 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: Garcia and so Lair. I don't think enough people will 412 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,640 Speaker 1: hammer this home. They're going to combine to earn twenty 413 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 1: seven million dollars next year for players that were not 414 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:33,199 Speaker 1: even confident make the team any better. That's twenty seven 415 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 1: million tied up in those two guys, who, by the way, 416 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:40,880 Speaker 1: also play positions that many of their homegrown top prospects 417 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:44,399 Speaker 1: play or former prospects, whether it be Haesus Sanchez and 418 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 1: JJ Blodey and paid in Verdick. If you're optimistic about Griffin, 419 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:52,359 Speaker 1: co nine, Jerar and Carnacion, they have a lot of 420 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 1: They let a lot internal options there that would have 421 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: been earning the league minimum. They invested instead in these 422 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:01,400 Speaker 1: two guys thinking they'd be substantially better than the homegrown options, 423 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 1: and at least this year and probably heading into next year, 424 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 1: you can't be confident that these guys are in a 425 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,399 Speaker 1: big way going to help yourself when they have a 426 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 1: good number of arbitration eligible players like Pablo and others 427 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 1: who are going to be earning raises next year based 428 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 1: on the salaries they had in twenty twenty two. There's 429 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:25,159 Speaker 1: just not a ton that I don't think ownership is 430 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,920 Speaker 1: going to sign off on them doing to go outside 431 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,719 Speaker 1: the organization to spend and improve. That way, it's going 432 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 1: to fall a lot on the players that they already 433 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 1: have in house because of the injuries that I mentioned 434 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,400 Speaker 1: to some of the young starters, and what I've seen 435 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: is kind of a stubbornness from this organization to not 436 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 1: spend much money on pitching whatsoever outside of extending Sandy like. 437 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: They have shown no appetite for signing free agents starting 438 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 1: pitchers at all at any point ever since this new 439 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 1: ownership took over. Believe in what they have internally, but 440 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 1: because of the injuries and because what we've seen some 441 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 1: mixed results when these young guys actually do reach the 442 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 1: big leagues, there are are there five starters in this 443 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: organization that are going to be as good as Pablo 444 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:20,360 Speaker 1: next year? I think that's extremely doubtful. That's the one 445 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,440 Speaker 1: thing that people take for granted is that even though 446 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,119 Speaker 1: they have a lot of prospects that do have the 447 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 1: potential themselves to be above average starting pitchers, when you 448 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,920 Speaker 1: look at the probability of the outcomes of them actually 449 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 1: reaching that level, I'd say the majority of them are 450 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:39,119 Speaker 1: going to sell in as something significantly less than that. 451 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: And even when you have five guys that you really love, 452 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: those not all five of those guys are going to 453 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 1: be healthy for the entire season. So Pablo, I believe, 454 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:57,120 Speaker 1: would be meaningfully better than whatever organizational do, whatever young 455 00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 1: guys they throw into the fire at the same stage 456 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 1: next year. So if there's any incentive to win games 457 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:05,879 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three, and I think we believe that 458 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 1: to be the case, all indications are that the team 459 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,120 Speaker 1: is not going into a new rebuild right now. They're 460 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 1: not like, they're not like starting over again. Like any 461 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:25,159 Speaker 1: concern about that is unjustified. Is that should not be 462 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 1: on your radar, like this team realizes that, or this 463 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 1: team feels that they should be making some sort of 464 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 1: competitive push heading into twenty twenty three, Which means that, 465 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 1: in my opinion, it's a fairly easy call to hold 466 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 1: on to Pablo. You need to figure out another way 467 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 1: to improve this organization. I have an article up on 468 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 1: fish stripes dot com that included six different trades I'd 469 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:52,880 Speaker 1: like to see at this deadline that I feel would 470 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 1: put together a roster and a hot levels of the 471 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 1: farm system that are more complimentary then they were previously 472 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 1: as well, Like there are little things they can do 473 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,400 Speaker 1: that would actually, when you put them in the aggregate, 474 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 1: I think, make a difference in terms of actually winning 475 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,880 Speaker 1: some games down the stretch in twenty twenty two and 476 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,399 Speaker 1: setting them up for next year as well in a 477 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 1: position where heading into the offseason that's when they can 478 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 1: make they're pretty big splashes. It's not they don't need 479 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 1: to trade Pablo in order to get something big in 480 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 1: return on the offensive side, especially somebody that could play 481 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 1: up the middle at either center field or shortstop. These 482 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 1: pitchers they have a lot of whom unfortunately are hurt 483 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: at this particular moment, and as well as some of 484 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 1: these young position players whose stocks may be slightly down 485 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: at the moments, like there are going to be exciting 486 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 1: possibilities that they can look at this offseason as well. 487 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 1: You know, if one of Lozardo or Cabrera pitch well 488 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 1: in the majors over these final couple months, if Khalil 489 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 1: Watson gets his head on straight again, if Yiddi Cape 490 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 1: continues what he's doing in the minors, I wanted to 491 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 1: shout out him as somebody that has very rapidly been 492 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 1: like rounding into form as a potential top prospect in 493 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,959 Speaker 1: this organization. If he continues to mash in full season 494 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 1: ball with Juper like, it's not gonna take all that many. 495 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 1: It's not gonna take too much in order for the Marlins, 496 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 1: who have like a really deep potential collection of tradeable 497 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 1: prospects to use in order to acquire somebody established at 498 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 1: one of those key positions up the middle. You don't 499 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 1: need to trade Pablo. I think he's more trustworthy than 500 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: people think, and I think the alternatives to Pablo are 501 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 1: not as safe as perhaps they're being made out to be. 502 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 1: So I hope that covered a lot of why I 503 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 1: feel it's important to hold on to him at this 504 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 1: particular time. As they're going they could get good talent 505 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 1: in return for him, but it's almost certainly going to 506 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 1: be good talent without any substantial major league performance under 507 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 1: their belt. You know, there's been I think this message 508 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 1: has been hammered home that if they do trade Pablo, 509 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 1: they absolutely need to get it right given the recent 510 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 1: history of the team trading controllable players earlier than they 511 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: needed to and ending up with hardly anything to show 512 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 1: for it at the major league level. I think there's 513 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 1: a certain scenario where they could trade him and the 514 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 1: return makes a lot of sense. And that I'm not 515 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 1: saying that it's black or white, that it's absolutely un 516 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 1: reasonable to consider moving him, but based on what I 517 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 1: think is realistically what they would get in return, and 518 00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 1: given the direction that the organization is headed in and 519 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 1: the context that we're in, I think they'd be better 520 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 1: off just holding onto Pablo, reassessing it in the off season, 521 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 1: and in the meantime, they do have a lot of 522 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 1: different directions that they can go at this deadline. This 523 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 1: podcast episode isn't long enough for me to go through 524 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 1: all the potential scenarios that they could explore at this deadline, 525 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 1: involving both major league veterans and as well as some prospects. 526 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 1: This forty roster crunch that they're facing the off season 527 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 1: is very real. They have some players on the pitching 528 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 1: side on the hitting side that are basically major league 529 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 1: ready and yet don't really have obvious roles on the 530 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 1: major league team, And come the off season, when these 531 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 1: injured guys get healthy and need to be injured, major 532 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 1: leaguers get healthy, need to be reinstated to the forty 533 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 1: man roster. It's going to be tough to find spots 534 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,200 Speaker 1: for all these players, so you can look into dealing 535 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 1: them right now and consolidating them into a very intriguing 536 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 1: piece in return that you trust a little more than 537 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 1: any of these prospects individually. I'm excited to see how 538 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 1: it goes. I have no idea exactly what this team 539 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 1: is going to do. I don't think anybody does. Like 540 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 1: that's been the one common refrain from Craigmish from the 541 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 1: national guys like John Hayman, is that the team is 542 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 1: listening on just about everybody that nothing is imminent as 543 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 1: of this recording on late Sunday nights. It's gonna be wild, 544 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 1: and when it happens, when the deals happen, it's gonna 545 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 1: go pretty close to the deadline days. We're not gonna 546 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 1: have a whole lot of time to make up our 547 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 1: minds about whether we like the moves that they make 548 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 1: or not. There for Kim Ang, as disappointing as this 549 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 1: year has been, there are a lot of different directions 550 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 1: that she can go to try to redeem herself. We'll 551 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 1: just have to wait and see. I'll finish off with 552 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 1: that on Kim Ang, because what I've noticed is that 553 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 1: the way that fan sentiment about her has flipped is 554 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 1: it's flipped pretty quickly. We're not yet two years to 555 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 1: her as a GM. This is a position where you 556 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 1: get a long leash to prove yourself, especially that first time, 557 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 1: and at a stage where she's not even close to 558 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 1: any sort of hot seat at this moment. There's just 559 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 1: been a lot of really justified criticism of the way 560 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 1: that she has gone about this job, from how she 561 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:28,480 Speaker 1: expresses herself publicly to how she manages her internal options 562 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 1: and decides when to promote demote different players, and of 563 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 1: course the transactions that she's made and what exactly she's 564 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:40,480 Speaker 1: trying to accomplish. When things have gone have been unorthodox 565 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:44,560 Speaker 1: by her and unconventional. The majority of them seem to 566 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,959 Speaker 1: be blowing up in their face. You know, a lot 567 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 1: of these deals seem to be going wrong, and naturally, 568 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 1: if you're doing something different and it's not working, then 569 00:33:55,200 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 1: it's going to draw a lot of suspicion and criticism 570 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 1: our naive audience from the outside looking in, at the 571 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 1: very least hoping for a more interesting month of August 572 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,760 Speaker 1: than the month of July one was, and I'm grateful 573 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 1: for everybody that follows along, even with the team that has, 574 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:15,839 Speaker 1: as of this moment like a one percent chance of 575 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,920 Speaker 1: making the postseason. I implore you to stick around and 576 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,720 Speaker 1: continue to follow our coverage these games down the stretch. 577 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 1: They really do matter. That they do matter for understanding 578 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 1: exactly where this organization is at in the big picture. 579 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,799 Speaker 1: These the performance of a lot of individual players, as 580 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,359 Speaker 1: well as the wins and losses. Even you know, they 581 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,719 Speaker 1: matter in a slightly different way than I think they 582 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,000 Speaker 1: have for the majority of this year. But I hope 583 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 1: you stick around. I hope you continue to bring good 584 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 1: questions and ideas for us to cover here on the 585 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 1: podcast on our website fishtrifs dot com. This has been 586 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 1: the official show with Eli Susman. Rate and review the 587 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:58,680 Speaker 1: pod wherever applicable. Go Fish and keep Pablo. Please keep 588 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 1: Pablo