Speaker 1: Hey everybody, It's Matt and I'm very excited to let
Speaker 1: you know that my debut album, Have You Heard Of Christmas?
Speaker 1: Is out Friday, November three. Stream it everywhere in anywhere
Speaker 1: you do that and order the vinyl online now. I've
Speaker 1: also got new merch and tickets to my tour at
Speaker 1: www Dot Matt Rogersofficial dot com. I'm starting with six
Speaker 1: shows at the Soho Theater in London from November thirteenth
Speaker 1: through eighteenth, and then I'm all over the States and
Speaker 1: Toronto starting December first in Philly and wrapping up December
Speaker 1: twenty third in New York City. Again, check out www
Speaker 1: Dot Matt Rogersofficial dot com for all the new music,
Speaker 1: merch and tour info. Very exciting. It's officially Christmas and
Speaker 1: now my gift to you a podcast. Look Marire, oh,
Speaker 1: I see you my own go and look over there
Speaker 1: is that culture? Yes? Goodnow lost lost, just calling.
Speaker 2: I've had an acts of violence committed in my own home.
Speaker 1: I knocked over with reckless abandon a glass of water.
Speaker 2: I didn't offer to poor you new glass.
Speaker 1: You didn't I do well because because you said something
Speaker 1: as you What did I say? Was that water?
Speaker 2: Do you remember you said you drank that water that
Speaker 2: I poured you earlier, and you said this is the
Speaker 2: best water.
Speaker 1: Oh, I said, this is the best water I've ever drank.
Speaker 1: So is that a new Britta?
Speaker 2: No, I've had that for many many moments.
Speaker 1: Now do you clean it a lot? Do you let it?
Speaker 2: I clean it a lot. I get really scared about mold.
Speaker 2: I get really diligent.
Speaker 1: About it because you know, one time I really got
Speaker 1: sick from my own Britta filter. You think it was
Speaker 1: the mold because I actually was under the impression. And
Speaker 1: this is sort of hashtag how I be. But I
Speaker 1: thought that because it was a Britta, you didn't have
Speaker 1: to clean it. No, girl, Well, clearly no. My own
Speaker 1: body was telling me that. Over months, I became weaker.
Speaker 1: I became a shell of myself from the Britta.
Speaker 2: Isn't it crazy how everything in this world needs to
Speaker 2: be cleaned? Mm hm, there is not a single.
Speaker 1: Thin bitch that is so macro what you said every
Speaker 1: day probably needs to be cleaned.
Speaker 2: I mean, on so many levels that statement should resonate.
Speaker 2: But I think you have to wipe every single thing
Speaker 2: you own.
Speaker 1: It is so much more important than you ever know.
Speaker 1: There was years of my life. I was living in Squalor, Squalor,
Speaker 1: my own filter. You could compare it to grey gardens,
Speaker 1: but it was like an unseen gray garden's atmosphere. What
Speaker 1: was going on in my apartments for years because I
Speaker 1: just didn't know how to change filters? I just didn't.
Speaker 1: And I'm talking about both britta and air. Yes, I'm
Speaker 1: talking about filters and every good.
Speaker 2: Luck getting me to change the air filters and anything.
Speaker 1: My mother will be texting me every five and a
Speaker 1: half months. You know it's almost time to change the filters.
Speaker 1: Your parents, I don't know keep track of this shit.
Speaker 1: I don't get I feel like you and I have both.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to use this word in the jair.
Speaker 1: We've both become adults. What I was not going to say? Adulting?
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay. So what's a jerond like an I
Speaker 2: G word?
Speaker 1: Oh? Seriously? Yes, yes, So a jerand is just anything
Speaker 1: that ends an I in g. Basically, holy shit? What
Speaker 1: did you think it meant? You? Jarond meant a type
Speaker 1: of word like it's a popular gerond that is used
Speaker 1: like a cultural jaren. That's true. I don't know a
Speaker 1: type of word, yes, but I thought it meant like
Speaker 1: like a jareded would be like a type of noun
Speaker 1: or something.
Speaker 2: Jarened a form that is derived from a verb, but
Speaker 2: that function is a noun in English ending I g
Speaker 2: asking in do you mind my asking you? That's a
Speaker 2: d Jared is a noun verb basically, got it. It's
Speaker 2: used as a noun, but it's verbified. It's a verbed
Speaker 2: way of.
Speaker 1: Thank you for letting Jaren right, thank you for your
Speaker 1: letting me know. Does that make sense? Doesn't make any
Speaker 1: sense at all? Thank you for instructing me on that.
Speaker 1: Instructing Jaren, well.
Speaker 2: Not in that use, because it's just a verb. You
Speaker 2: need to use it as a noun. Thank you for
Speaker 2: you instructing me. Thank you for your instructing me. Does
Speaker 2: that make sense?
Speaker 1: In instructing me, you've done something, You've really done something
Speaker 1: right there. I don't think I'm gonna get it. And
Speaker 1: you know what's crazy is we were on a Google doctum.
Speaker 2: I was just gonna say yeah, and the authority with
Speaker 2: which Matt commands the mechanical things on a document, I thought,
Speaker 2: I was like very like personnikity. And I'm not saying
Speaker 2: you're persnikity, but I'm saying, you have the eye for
Speaker 2: it in a way that is very powerful.
Speaker 1: And you know what else is happening right now, You're
Speaker 1: saying powerful and you're not saying correct because I guarantee
Speaker 1: there's some things I do with punctuation. No, and you
Speaker 1: gently let me know about this, because I was saying
Speaker 1: there are some.
Speaker 2: Occasions no, and I actually think you're right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So what I was saying was, there are occasions
Speaker 1: when you're, say, typing out a sentence where a quoted
Speaker 1: word or section of words, the comma.
Speaker 2: The punctuation should be either in some cases it's within
Speaker 2: the quotations, in some cases it's out.
Speaker 1: And I think that it's so difficult for me to
Speaker 1: explain what I mean by that.
Speaker 2: I know what you mean, but try to explain and
Speaker 2: I'll support you.
Speaker 1: It's okay. So say this was the sentence Britney Spears
Speaker 1: took to task.
Speaker 2: In her book. In her book, oh wait, sorry, sorry
Speaker 2: now I'm.
Speaker 1: Wait, here's it in a sentence Britney Spears was one
Speaker 1: of the Mouseketeers. I don't think this is gonna work. Here.
Speaker 2: Here's an example. In Britney's book, she says, quote, oh,
Speaker 2: Jamie Lynn lied to me comma end quote, before she
Speaker 2: went on to accuse her father Jamie Spears, like, does
Speaker 2: that make sense? Like the quote the comma is in
Speaker 2: is in the quotation. I think we may be in
Speaker 2: the week, but then the comma is out of the quotation.
Speaker 2: If it's Britney Spears's book quote the woman in me
Speaker 2: end quote comma, yes.
Speaker 1: No, because the book would not be in quotation because
Speaker 1: it would be italicized because it's a It's okay. So
Speaker 1: what we have to know everyone is that we were
Speaker 1: on a Google doc together and I think I really
Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about. You a punctuation, Yes you do.
Speaker 1: And while that's not coming across here, because I don't
Speaker 1: know my words, but I do know my heart in this.
Speaker 1: You don't know your words that you do know your ma,
Speaker 1: my mechanics. When I'm typing out, it's a different beast
Speaker 1: than when I'm speaking. When i'm speaking, I feel like
Speaker 1: it is some sort of like you know, swamp of words.
Speaker 2: Can I say, But when you are typing or when
Speaker 2: you were guiding a typing session, huh, you have the authority.
Speaker 2: Something happens where you become the queen.
Speaker 1: Something happens when I become the queen. When someone is typing,
Speaker 1: you know what I really should when you know what
Speaker 1: Sudie would say, why don't you just type? And I
Speaker 1: really probably should just start just typing instead of being like,
Speaker 1: I think the apostrophe goes over here, I think the
Speaker 1: colon here, No, that's a semi colon. What we need
Speaker 1: is a call it. I think I should just type,
Speaker 1: because then, like I wouldn't feel like I was patronizing.
Speaker 1: This is a very specific conversation that we're having, But
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people can relate to this
Speaker 1: because I don't find moments like that to be micromanagy.
Speaker 1: I don't mean to be. I just want punctuation to
Speaker 1: be clear and correct.
Speaker 2: Also, I don't mind being micromanaged.
Speaker 1: I really don't. I really don't unless the person's wrong.
Speaker 2: Unless the person's wrong, and I'm like, but then I,
Speaker 2: hopefully in a very respectful way, say I disagree, yeah,
Speaker 2: or maybe not. But if it's for like a common
Speaker 2: goal of like, let's get the mechanics the punctuation right
Speaker 2: on this document, I'll be like, tell me what to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I guess I'd rather just take it then
Speaker 1: and correct it than say to someone over their soldier,
Speaker 1: because there's something vulnerable about when you expose the fact
Speaker 1: that maybe you don't know how to spell things or
Speaker 1: use punctuation, or like, I don't know, like I never
Speaker 1: want to, I don't know. Why what is this therapy?
Speaker 1: I don't want anyone to think, uh huh, I don't
Speaker 1: have a control over the written word. Why not? I
Speaker 1: don't know. It's I think such a talented writer. I
Speaker 1: think that. To prove it to anybody, I think that,
Speaker 1: And maybe you can relate to this. When I was younger, yes,
Speaker 1: one of the things I could control was that I
Speaker 1: was good at types of school and English was one
Speaker 1: of them. In writing was one of them. Yes, And
Speaker 1: I was like, don't tell me that I'm wrong on this,
Speaker 1: because I know I'm right. Wow. And I had very
Speaker 1: little control over like other things, like I was absolutely.
Speaker 2: And more often than that, you were right. I don't
Speaker 2: throw this around to tell me.
Speaker 1: I was the only student in my senior year of
Speaker 1: high school to get one hundred on the regions, which
Speaker 1: was the big test in English, and the five on
Speaker 1: ap COMP and a five on ap LID. I was
Speaker 1: the only one, and so I thought, if I know something.
Speaker 1: It's proud of you. And here's the thing. You think
Speaker 1: about those accomplishments and you scoff, because I don't scoff.
Speaker 1: I'm so proud of you, know, and I thank you, sister,
Speaker 1: But inside you know that you were one of those
Speaker 1: standardized girls. No, but that means nothing. I say that
Speaker 1: I'm a standardized girl now.
Speaker 2: Because I'm like, it really says nothing about the person.
Speaker 2: And this is a critique on modern educational system.
Speaker 1: I think that that's so far what this episode has
Speaker 1: been one thousand percent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, our schools has failed us. Man and I are
Speaker 2: both products of the public.
Speaker 1: Schools which we support, which we support, but on some
Speaker 1: level we feel filed. You know. We were talking the
Speaker 1: other day. I was in a group. We were talking
Speaker 1: about like just how you learned things in high school? Yes,
Speaker 1: tell me if this rings true for you. Would a
Speaker 1: teacher ever go to like the whiteboard or whatever and
Speaker 1: just put something up there and you'd have to just
Speaker 1: take down notes copiously and you would never actually be
Speaker 1: instructed about a certain topic, but you would just take
Speaker 1: down notes. Yeah, And the teachers would say repetition is
Speaker 1: the key to learning, so they wouldn't teach. They would
Speaker 1: just put notes up on the board. You would take
Speaker 1: the notes down again and again and again and again
Speaker 1: and again, to the point where at the end of
Speaker 1: the year or whenever you had a test, it was
Speaker 1: essentially muscle memory of the answers.
Speaker 2: One thousand percent. Yeah, and it's repetition is not the
Speaker 2: key to learning. And actually this is a perfect story
Speaker 2: and example about when a teacher, fully we could all
Speaker 2: tell she did not give a shit. But she was
Speaker 2: one of those teachers who was like, listen to what
Speaker 2: I say because it's always right. And we really hated
Speaker 2: her for it. I forget her name, but this was
Speaker 2: the seventh grade. We had a crazy year in the
Speaker 2: seventh grade. Our middle school decided to give us two
Speaker 2: English classes. We had a composition, composition and reading. So
Speaker 2: for the composition class, this teacher would put down. She
Speaker 2: was like in her early thirties, didn't want to do it,
Speaker 2: didn't want to be there, was above the job, hated
Speaker 2: us like she sucked bad vibes. But she would put
Speaker 2: on a transparency like a list of vocabulary words. Right,
Speaker 2: and then there's the word chicanery.
Speaker 1: C h I C A n E R y chicanery.
Speaker 1: My girl is this if I knew something, it was
Speaker 1: how to spell.
Speaker 2: Well, keep listening. Okay, we go miss Williamson, whatever her
Speaker 2: name was, how do you pronounce that word?
Speaker 1: And she we go.
Speaker 2: Stumped and like there's a heavy silence as this room
Speaker 2: full of fourteen year old students, eager students, wanting to learn.
Speaker 1: Your students, ready to learn knowledge.
Speaker 2: Rabbits pronolage. But we had all turned on her, like
Speaker 2: months ago, I were stinkers, but we weren't stinkers.
Speaker 1: Okay, I take it back.
Speaker 2: We weren't stinkers. We were actually like wanting to learn.
Speaker 2: And then we were like, miss Williamson, how do you
Speaker 2: pronounce that word? She looks at it, pregnant pause, chicken.
Speaker 1: Airy And then all of us burst out laughing, laughed
Speaker 1: at this woman. I already say it, chic canary, canary,
Speaker 1: chicken airy is better beautiful. There's no like. That is
Speaker 1: the definite. That's the definition of chic canery is pronouncing
Speaker 1: a chicken airy? Is this seventh grade teacher who talked
Speaker 1: down her students all year long, eating fucking shit.
Speaker 2: Beefing it in front of us with this word what
Speaker 2: she's supposed.
Speaker 1: To tricken airy? All this laughter at her, and we
Speaker 1: were like, that can't be how you say, and she
Speaker 1: kind of chuckled and was clearly embarrassed and then looked
Speaker 1: it up later. But chicken airy chiculary, that is too good.
Speaker 1: But I do you know what though, at least there
Speaker 1: was a moment right there where there could be the
Speaker 1: release of girl that's not right and also fuck you
Speaker 1: a little bit, yes, because sometimes I remember this happened
Speaker 1: to me and my family when we were actually in
Speaker 1: New York. We came for Christmas, okay, and we were
Speaker 1: in Macy's, yes, and I wish I could go back
Speaker 1: and tell this woman who treated my mother some kind
Speaker 1: of way that she was wrong because she made my
Speaker 1: mom feel bad and my dad was upset. No, So
Speaker 1: what happened was my mom, we come in from Long Island.
Speaker 1: It's me and my dad, my mom, my sister. I'm
Speaker 1: probably eleven, okay, Chelsea's tender age. So we had just
Speaker 1: seen like a show or something. We maybe shopped at Macy's,
Speaker 1: like it was crowded, bustley holiday, like maybe this girl
Speaker 1: behind the counter at Donna Karen was maybe she was
Speaker 1: tired or something as the holidays. So my mom hits
Speaker 1: the scene at Macy's and she wants to try some perfumes. Yes,
Speaker 1: so she goes up to the girl at the counter
Speaker 1: and she says, do you have Donna Kuran? And my
Speaker 1: mom says Koran, which.
Speaker 2: I thought was Koran as well in the beginning, common mistake.
Speaker 1: She also has a regional accents. Yes, Donna Kuran. This
Speaker 1: woman turned her face to my mother and she said,
Speaker 1: you mean Donna Karan and my family was frozen and
Speaker 1: my dad I could feel steamed, and she's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that one, that one, and she's like, we actually I
Speaker 1: have to you know. And the conversation ended and my
Speaker 1: dad didn't say anything, but we left and she was like.
Speaker 1: My dad was like, I didn't like the way she
Speaker 1: corrected you snooty, Like it was not right. Come to
Speaker 1: find out it's Donna Karen. So my mom was actually closer.
Speaker 1: She wasn't right, Koran was not the way you say it.
Speaker 1: But Donna can funny. And when this woman was like
Speaker 1: you mean Donna Karan, like, ew, don't I want to
Speaker 1: go back in time? Get me the DeLorean, Now, get
Speaker 1: the Delorian girl. We're going back. I have to go
Speaker 1: back to two thousand and one. Macy two thousand and one, Mate,
Speaker 1: two thousand and one, Mason, Oh shit, what do you mean?
Speaker 2: No, was this after September eleventh or before?
Speaker 1: I mean if it was Christmas, hun but then you
Speaker 1: would have been three months after September December you would
Speaker 1: have been twelve. Look, I'm not dating it necessarily exactly.
Speaker 1: I'm not pinpointing it in time. I'm saying the energy
Speaker 1: was I was eleven. Does that make sense? It's like
Speaker 1: the question of the Big Mac. This is the question, though,
Speaker 1: we'll get back to the Big Mac. Okay.
Speaker 2: If the Delorian was taking you to December, November, whatever,
Speaker 2: two thousand and one, your only responsibility is to go
Speaker 2: to that woman and say it's pronounced to Karen.
Speaker 1: I would make two stops. If I could go back
Speaker 1: in time on the DeLorean, I would make two stops. One,
Speaker 1: I would go back to your high school and your
Speaker 1: high school theater teacher that was treating you badly and
Speaker 1: interrogating you. I would actually get in her face and
Speaker 1: I would scare her. I would like scare her in
Speaker 1: a parking lot. She was fearless. She was fearless, Well
Speaker 1: not until I'm done with her, because I'm I'm going
Speaker 1: to scare the woman. I'm going to go back in
Speaker 1: time and I'm going to punk a horn in her
Speaker 1: or something, and I'm going to frighten her. And I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say bowen Yang stays unscathed because I gotta get her.
Speaker 1: She has hers coming. Then I would go back in
Speaker 1: time and I would tell this one. I would say,
Speaker 1: I would go up behind this woman and I would say, Hi,
Speaker 1: I just want to let you know it's not a
Speaker 1: Karen idiot. And then I would disappear. Don't treat people
Speaker 1: like that. That is I would go back in time
Speaker 1: and my deloreate and I would use it. If I
Speaker 1: had to correct two things, I'd be nasty to those women.
Speaker 1: I know would be mean and nasty to those women.
Speaker 1: This is my question.
Speaker 2: If it was November two thousand, Yeah, do you tell
Speaker 2: people what's happening in nine months?
Speaker 1: I don't know if I can answer this question, because
Speaker 1: that's a very big topic. It's a huge addition. The
Speaker 1: YouTube all of a sudden for no nine to eleven footage?
Speaker 1: Does that ever happen to you? It's happened to me.
Speaker 2: And then I fall down the hole and then I
Speaker 2: for like at least a few weeks. I keep getting
Speaker 2: nine to eleven stuff.
Speaker 1: It's so bizarre. All of a sudden, I think I
Speaker 1: watched one video, which was because I couldn't believe this existed.
Speaker 1: It was the YouTube video was live footage of Regis
Speaker 1: and Kelly show during nine to eleven, and I was like,
Speaker 1: there's no way, lo and behold, no, you weren't even on. No,
Speaker 1: yes they were. They were on when the second tower
Speaker 1: was hit.
Speaker 2: At like nine in the morning. Honey, that's when they
Speaker 2: go on. I thought they were on a like eleven.
Speaker 1: No, sweetie, sweetiere, you just and Kelly. Well really, Regis
Speaker 1: justly departed. Now Kelly and Water on at nine am,
Speaker 1: and they've been on at nine am. I know that
Speaker 1: seems early, but that's sort of what morning TV will
Speaker 1: do to you. Start early. Girl.
Speaker 2: We can announce, we can talk now, we can announce,
Speaker 2: we can announce that, my girl. First of all, have
Speaker 2: you heard of Christmas is out this Friday?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Number third featuring Bowen Yang on the track
Speaker 1: Rockefeller Santa.
Speaker 2: Very very honored and privileged one of my professional peaks.
Speaker 1: You and side I'm on side A, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I'm on the vinyl.
Speaker 2: You are also featuring Vincent and Leland and Moon as
Speaker 2: we know. But now we'll be on Kelly Clerkson on Thursday. Kelly,
Speaker 2: this is you going on Kelly your friends. Now, this
Speaker 2: is a new era.
Speaker 1: I don't feel that nervous to go on because can
Speaker 1: I tell you something, not to center myself. But when
Speaker 1: I went on last week, it was like my old
Speaker 1: friend yeah, right exactly, just like hey you yeah.
Speaker 2: And then she will say, she said, my last Culture
Speaker 2: is disinterview was the piece of press for the Chemistry
Speaker 2: press cycle that got the most impact.
Speaker 1: The more people have gone up to her about our
Speaker 1: interview with her than anything else you did on she said,
Speaker 1: you have to talk to her about that. I'm just
Speaker 1: so excited that that went so well and that she
Speaker 1: feels that way and she looks back on positively. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna see her Thursday you were on. Isn't that funny?
Speaker 1: Our friend Kelly, Our friend Kelly wait as a Lily lawyer.
Speaker 2: You hated to give her recommendations for New York. She
Speaker 2: wants me rex Oh.
Speaker 1: I actually like I am an arsenal of information. Unill
Speaker 1: I guess I don't really know like what she likes
Speaker 1: to do, right, I guess like that would be a
Speaker 1: question I'd have to ask her, is like, what do
Speaker 1: you want this girl? That's what I was thinking that
Speaker 1: I was peak behind the curtain. I was doing my
Speaker 1: pre interview earlier, and we got to talking about like
Speaker 1: dating in New York, and I was like, Oh, that's
Speaker 1: like something I guess I could connect with her over
Speaker 1: Like she's a single lady in New York. She looking good,
Speaker 1: she's got a new stylist on fair. She's like really
Speaker 1: feels excited and happy. There's a special Kelly energy in
Speaker 1: the air. And you know, I've been hitting the streets myself.
Speaker 1: I'm seeing a man in there. Okay, lucky fella, I've
Speaker 1: been playing the field.
Speaker 2: I love to hear that speaking of women in pop Yes,
Speaker 2: we must. I mean, there's no way we don't talk
Speaker 2: about this, No, I think that.
Speaker 1: Well, it's allegedly the best selling memoir of all time,
Speaker 1: and this is Britney Spears The Woman in Me. Of course,
Speaker 1: the Woman in Me is itolicized. It being the title
Speaker 1: of a book.
Speaker 2: Being the title book. We're holding a hard copy in
Speaker 2: our hands.
Speaker 1: We are, indeed, but we can confirm our method of
Speaker 1: consumption was audiobook.
Speaker 2: And miss Michelle Williams must win some series of accolades
Speaker 2: for that.
Speaker 1: It's the Grammy for sure for her. Yes, and can
Speaker 1: I say she just became a serious egot contender. Michelle's
Speaker 1: performance in this is really good. You really feel like
Speaker 1: it's coming from Brittany one thousand. It's a channeling moment.
Speaker 2: It fully channels her. And I will say, like, this
Speaker 2: is a total compliment, Like the writing is so beautifully simple.
Speaker 1: It's very clear, and it's clear, it's almost instructional about
Speaker 1: the ways in which she suffered.
Speaker 2: There's no mistaking it, there's no like interpreting it a
Speaker 2: certain way, there's nobody between the lines. But the way
Speaker 2: Michelle reads it is so so like watery is not
Speaker 2: the right word for it, but it just it just
Speaker 2: kind of flows so beautifully and it's powerful like water.
Speaker 2: It flows like water. It's delicate like water. I don't know,
Speaker 2: I may, Bruce leebagg I.
Speaker 1: Think that like something that I can pull from what
Speaker 1: you're saying is that there is a beautiful intention that
Speaker 1: feels very like natural to her. What she's saying almost
Speaker 1: it's like, you really like this voice. It's almost as
Speaker 1: if she went through it because she really gets Britney's
Speaker 1: sense of humor. She really throws out the like turn
Speaker 1: of phrases very naturally. This was directed by Thomas kel
Speaker 1: by the way, Yes, if you don't know, that's Michelle
Speaker 1: Williams's partner who directed Hamilton, and he directed the Sweety
Speaker 1: Todd Revival. And this is like a really talented theater artist.
Speaker 1: And you can tell this was like an intimate piece
Speaker 1: that was really worked on like almost between three people
Speaker 1: like him, Michelle and then Brittain. And then in terms
Speaker 1: of like the way that the material is laid out,
Speaker 1: it almost needs that like patience in reading it. Yes,
Speaker 1: because the truth is a lot of this is so
Speaker 1: horrible that it's like if it were to be indulged
Speaker 1: in by the person who went through it. I don't
Speaker 1: even know if she could have permanence on this. It's
Speaker 1: almost better because she might want to throw a lot
Speaker 1: of this away or like rush through this or get
Speaker 1: nervous the whole thing and just like that, yeah, wow,
Speaker 1: who knew? Who knew?
Speaker 2: And just like that would be prescient in that way.
Speaker 1: I just did such a word salad, but like no, no, no,
Speaker 1: in such a.
Speaker 2: I just called her performance watery what do you mean,
Speaker 2: I'm in the word salad. But Michelle, I was so
Speaker 2: struck by like the moment she chose to dial it back,
Speaker 2: dial it up, Like when they get to the part
Speaker 2: where she shaves her head, there's such a shift in
Speaker 2: the performance where Michelle, like and Thomas both know to
Speaker 2: like give this most gravity there can be, Like this
Speaker 2: was her one of her lowest moments where she was
Speaker 2: denied access to her own children when they were only
Speaker 2: like a year or less, And God like that whole moment.
Speaker 2: The way that that is narrated, the way it's written
Speaker 2: is phenomenal.
Speaker 1: What I love too is like she doesn't let anyone
Speaker 1: off the hook, but she also gives context for what
Speaker 1: she's kind. She's very kind. She actually does something here,
Speaker 1: which is she gives the backstory of the way her
Speaker 1: father grew up. And I think something that's a compliment
Speaker 1: to her kindness and the fact that she really actually
Speaker 1: gave her family some humanity here is that she illustrated
Speaker 1: the cycle of abuse, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 1: her grandfather was very very abusive to her father, who
Speaker 1: because of that, was you know, nasty to her mother.
Speaker 1: Her mother did not have it easy her mother was
Speaker 1: you know, very very complicit in Britney's treatment and like
Speaker 1: cruel in her own right, but she goes out of
Speaker 1: her way to explain why these people might have treated
Speaker 1: her this way. And what I thought was the really,
Speaker 1: if there's anything like beautiful to come out of this,
Speaker 1: it's that at least Britney's children seem happy and taken
Speaker 1: care of, you know what I mean, Like, so at
Speaker 1: least the cycle of abuse seems to have been broken,
Speaker 1: because it seems like she has happy children, and that
Speaker 1: is something that I left the book with, which was
Speaker 1: this is someone who, by all intents and purposes, could
Speaker 1: have become a monster in her own course. And she
Speaker 1: says that, you know, she wasn't perfect. There were times
Speaker 1: she was weird, there were times she made mistakes, but
Speaker 1: she's got happy kids, and it seems like to this
Speaker 1: day that's what she cares about the most, and that
Speaker 1: almost feels like reason for the book existing.
Speaker 2: Well, and the kids are now like seventeen sixteen, Yeah,
Speaker 2: they're older. They're older now, you know when she describes
Speaker 2: like lockdown or whatever and then just like being together,
Speaker 2: I was like, well, at least there's that, like at
Speaker 2: least and even that was the conservatorship technically, but it
Speaker 2: was like the kids showing her like what they painted,
Speaker 2: or like, yeah, the music or whatever that they would
Speaker 2: like play. And it's just it's so difficult to close
Speaker 2: out a book like this, the memoir like this, and
Speaker 2: end it on a hopeful note, right, because it is
Speaker 2: one of the great American tragedies period totally.
Speaker 1: But the thing is, like I almost feel like in
Speaker 1: ending the book, she would want us to think less
Speaker 1: of her as a tragedy and more as like someone
Speaker 1: who even though we might not get it, and we
Speaker 1: might as people that are looking at the phones like
Speaker 1: see what she's posting and think how sad, Like she
Speaker 1: at least takes ownership and accountability over what we might
Speaker 1: deem as like weird or crazy, because even if it's
Speaker 1: not anything we would post her we would do, at
Speaker 1: least it's autonomy. Yes, well, no, she explains it in
Speaker 1: a way that like changed my whole perspective on it,
Speaker 1: where like I was one of those people who in
Speaker 1: recent months or whatever, has been like, oh, Britney is
Speaker 1: really doing the knife dance whatever. But like I think
Speaker 1: she says specifically like people might think I'm being strained,
Speaker 1: and I post these videos of myself just posing and closed.
Speaker 1: But like, if you think of it, I've had my body. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've been photographed my entire life by other people and
Speaker 1: evaluated by other people. Like if this is me actually
Speaker 1: feeling really sexy and pretty and nice and like wanting
Speaker 1: to show people the way that I want to. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and honestly, like, even if she doesn't quote unquote like
Speaker 1: the way she looks, like that's always been for other
Speaker 1: people anyway. Like, it's like it's been really interesting literally
Speaker 1: hearing from her the stuff about you know, when she
Speaker 1: famously like shaved her head, It's like she literally turned
Speaker 1: herself into a monster because that's what the gaze of
Speaker 1: society and the male gaze had done to her. They
Speaker 1: were like, she was like, you know what, I understand,
Speaker 1: this is why you're looking. So I'm going to make
Speaker 1: myself unattractive to you. And then she did so, and
Speaker 1: even her own family was treating her like she was
Speaker 1: the way she looked, which to them was disgusting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like it is deeply kind to her family, the
Speaker 2: way she even like includes her mother in and obviously,
Speaker 2: like Jean Spears was affected by Jamie's alcoholism in a
Speaker 2: very direct way. But like the way that like Brittany
Speaker 2: would write about her and her mom having to like
Speaker 2: withstand these nights where her dad would just be on
Speaker 2: a rampage like that is terrifying or not Jean Spears,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, lind spin lind Spears is her mom. Sorry
Speaker 2: Jeane is the grandmother. But the way that well, they
Speaker 2: be naming each other after each other, it's crazy. The
Speaker 2: Jamie the Lynn, the Jamie Lynn y shit. Listen, I
Speaker 2: started talking. I'm not started to get a little bit.
Speaker 1: Can't would, honey, can't would? I said Brentwood. We got
Speaker 1: Jamie Lynn and Jamie Lynn party of three. Brittany's at
Speaker 1: home like slaving away on the VMAs.
Speaker 2: But like the way that Brittany writes about Jamie Lynn,
Speaker 2: like behaving in these kind of incompassionate ways, lack of
Speaker 2: a better word, like that's also very generous.
Speaker 1: I think here's the thing. It feels like this is
Speaker 1: so weird, but like she has nothing to lose, so
Speaker 1: this is all her honest account and therefore it's just
Speaker 1: like taking it at face value. Like I don't know
Speaker 1: what it was. But there was a couple moments where
Speaker 1: like I was listening to this and I was just
Speaker 1: so fearing me too, because I just feel like, had
Speaker 1: the public because I understand the public is complicent in
Speaker 1: a lot of this, I really do, but had we
Speaker 1: actually had an understanding of what her reality was that
Speaker 1: she couldn't pick out what food she wanted to eat,
Speaker 1: that she had to write down when she was going
Speaker 1: to the bathroom, that she was forced to have a pain,
Speaker 1: forget about the conservatorship, that abortion she was I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: but forced to endure. My shoulders were in my ears,
Speaker 1: and I was just like, God, I just wish that
Speaker 1: it was made clear this person was suffering, like because
Speaker 1: you have to imagine that we all would have been
Speaker 1: like hey stop, But also would we have I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's like one of those hard when it's hard.
Speaker 2: When you have a journalist and I'm sorry to bring
Speaker 2: her into this, when you have a journalists like Diane Sawyer,
Speaker 2: like one of the top journalists in this country interviewing
Speaker 2: room and literally asking her what did you do to him?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Like that says it all. It's like you must have
Speaker 2: done something to upset this amazing boy that America loves
Speaker 2: and we don't care if you're going to burst out
Speaker 2: into tears in the next two seconds, Like I didn't.
Speaker 2: The whole thing being in her own house, like on
Speaker 2: her couch, when she describes that couch that she still has,
Speaker 2: and like that couch was like her sanctuary. Yeah, in
Speaker 2: her house in New York. I think, or was it
Speaker 2: all right? It doesn't matter, but that felt. So that's
Speaker 2: a detail that like really drives home how invasive that
Speaker 2: specific interview was, where like Jamie spears the dad being like,
Speaker 2: you're doing this interview.
Speaker 1: No one's heard from you.
Speaker 2: You're doing this interview, and then fully is blindsided and
Speaker 2: then is humiliated.
Speaker 1: And I guess, like what makes it even worse is
Speaker 1: I think I didn't realize just how devastated and heartbroken
Speaker 1: she by that relationship. Yeah, for some reason, the reveal
Speaker 1: that they had lived together was a surprise to me.
Speaker 1: That they lived together in Orlando, so understanding just how
Speaker 1: badly she was doing it, she truly had like a
Speaker 1: heartbreak related full blown depression, like she describes not being
Speaker 1: able to get out of better eat and like, you know,
Speaker 1: every day was a struggle. And then for her, you
Speaker 1: have to think, like it's almost been a plan from
Speaker 1: the beginning on her father's part to just keep this
Speaker 1: grow as fucking weak as possible so he could control
Speaker 1: her every move, so he could control her every dollar. Otherwise,
Speaker 1: why would you make your daughter do that? Why would
Speaker 1: you want to break her? That's I guess the really
Speaker 1: tough thing is, it's just what makes a parent it's
Speaker 1: capable of wanting to break your child? Like, what makes
Speaker 1: a parent capable of that? Yeah, I don't get it.
Speaker 2: And look, we have talked about how she like gives
Speaker 2: some lineage to like his totally or whatever. But like
Speaker 2: I was at various points, I was like, no, what
Speaker 2: it really is, like, how dare you, mister Spears, you had.
Speaker 1: How dare you you had me fooled? Then you too,
Speaker 1: miss Spears? Death to all of them. It's hard not
Speaker 1: to agree.
Speaker 2: Sometimes you are like death to all of them.
Speaker 1: And here's the thing, actually, though, this is interesting because
Speaker 1: I was thinking to myself, like, so this book comes
Speaker 1: out obviously justin Timberlake is getting absolutely dragged. My thing
Speaker 1: is like.
Speaker 2: He's turned his comments off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't even know if he's like I
Speaker 1: don't think he's ever trying again, guys, I mean like
Speaker 1: I think he's a rap And I was thinking to myself,
Speaker 1: like how much forgiveness is he do? And I think
Speaker 1: the answer is he is due forgiveness, because I mean,
Speaker 1: that's what she says. But the fact is, like she
Speaker 1: also has to tell her story. I think it's really
Speaker 1: important that we hear this. And I think it's one
Speaker 1: of those things where it's like even if in the
Speaker 1: years past and I don't know this, and I don't
Speaker 1: I don't ever really hear anything about justin any way,
Speaker 1: like even if in the years past he's totally changed,
Speaker 1: Like this story has to get fucking told one thousand persons,
Speaker 1: like and it's rough to see because of course the
Speaker 1: internet like reads something and then it's just like a
Speaker 1: full on like I can't even imagine what's going on
Speaker 1: in the minds of like people that are in this book,
Speaker 1: Like right, imagine being Christina Aguilera and you're barely mentioned
Speaker 1: the two lines about her in this star. I could
Speaker 1: tell she was pretty messed up.
Speaker 2: Oh no, but I messed up asn't like she was drunk.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like I mean, just like there was me
Speaker 1: and a girl in Christina Aguilera. Christina Aguilera did some
Speaker 1: weird shit with Justin on the cover of a magazine.
Speaker 1: I thought that was weird. Christina Aguilera seems very comfortable
Speaker 1: on television and one time my stow Christina Aguilera at
Speaker 1: a party and she was messed up. That's so interesting.
Speaker 1: I thought that the mentions of Christina were like, okay,
Speaker 1: like we've acknowledged that, like she was in the circle
Speaker 1: or whatever, not in the circle, but she was like
Speaker 1: had made appearances or whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the years, I thought it was fine.
Speaker 1: I thought it was you know what. I just thought
Speaker 1: it was funny that she was like glazed over. I'm
Speaker 1: sure she doesn't care. I'm sure she's thankful. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: but Justin has to be feeling some type of way.
Speaker 1: And it's like, yeah, but I mean, but there's for
Speaker 1: years your karma was it was such a bent thing,
Speaker 1: like he was flying high for such a long time,
Speaker 1: and the fact is he caused a lot of harm
Speaker 1: and she needs to be able to tell her story
Speaker 1: because of what was taken from her one.
Speaker 2: I mean, my blood went cold when when she describes
Speaker 2: kissing him for the first time and they were young
Speaker 2: and a Janet Jacksonson was playing in the background.
Speaker 1: You missed that part. I guess I didn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like when they were in the Nickmause club.
Speaker 1: And whoa, he was her first kiss and a Janet
Speaker 1: Jacksonson was playing like that is out of a fucking movie.
Speaker 1: Twilight's on tower, Twilight's on Tower of Terror and the
Speaker 1: second we're gonna drop that gives me the hegb's pressure.
Speaker 1: And then yeah, you bring up the Janet thing too,
Speaker 1: and it's just like, you know what, take a break, dude,
Speaker 1: like you've gotten away with murder.
Speaker 2: I think you don't think he's gonna try again. I think, like,
Speaker 2: isn't the whole en Sync thing still happening? Like they're
Speaker 2: gonna like care, does anyone care? Do no one cares?
Speaker 1: I think no one cares.
Speaker 2: They can't even go on hot ones and like make
Speaker 2: any noise. You know what I'm saying, Babe. I watch
Speaker 2: every hot ones. I did not watch hot hot ones.
Speaker 2: I've watched the Cardi b one probably six times.
Speaker 1: Oh that's a good one. I have not watched the
Speaker 1: Instinct hot ones, and I won't be I don't want
Speaker 1: to watch them try hot wings. Here's the thing. When
Speaker 1: InSync goes on hot ones, it becomes these dudes trying
Speaker 1: hot wings. When Cardi B goes on hot ones, it
Speaker 1: becomes Cardi B on hot ones.
Speaker 2: Well it's just there's something so not watching them eat
Speaker 2: dissonant and scary about like this new thing hot ones
Speaker 2: trying to bend itself to Like I guess give a
Speaker 2: tiny two second platform to these five guys who, like
Speaker 2: we were all obsessed with back in the day, sure,
Speaker 2: but like who were literally a flash in the pan,
Speaker 2: like as soon.
Speaker 1: As it was done, it was done, done done. But boo,
Speaker 1: it's like what we say, like after every ten to
Speaker 1: fifteen years, like rotate out, no more fame, just like
Speaker 1: get new famous people after ten fifteen years, because guess what,
Speaker 1: you become fucking dated and you become not helpful. And
Speaker 1: I almost don't want to say this. Before we got
Speaker 1: on the mic, Bowen and I got information and I'm
Speaker 1: not saying anyone's names, and I would never do this,
Speaker 1: but we got information that a certain actor is gay,
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, have we learned nothing? Can I
Speaker 1: say this? I'm just what I think everyone in Hollywood
Speaker 1: is gay except bad Affleck. Ben Affleck is the only
Speaker 1: straight man in Hollywood. The rest of you, including us
Speaker 1: are gay, and I feel like the fact that you
Speaker 1: don't say it is weak shit. Just say it, and
Speaker 1: it's not even just say it like everyone has to
Speaker 1: come out with their sexuality. It's not like that. It's
Speaker 1: just like people that are actively playing in our face
Speaker 1: with these sham marriages. You are a problem. Don't say
Speaker 1: anything at all or be real, but don't play in
Speaker 1: our face. Don't come out with a fake relationship. And also,
Speaker 1: you know what, you guys know who I'm talking about,
Speaker 1: Like I'll never say it, but intrinsically, even if it's
Speaker 1: not the person I'm thinking of, you know who I'm.
Speaker 2: You know, and it might not even be the peron. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it might not even be the person that you are
Speaker 2: actually talking.
Speaker 1: Whoever it is to you, you know who I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: And you're right, and you're right, and they are playing
Speaker 1: in your face. You're all gay except Ben Affleck. Ben Affleck,
Speaker 1: I think that you definitely are straight, dude. I think
Speaker 1: you are nailing Jennifer Lopez. I actually applaud you guys
Speaker 1: for how straight you are.
Speaker 2: No, that's yeah, they are one thousand percent.
Speaker 1: They are so straight. I'm like, they are so straight.
Speaker 1: Him powering up on his duncan going home to his
Speaker 1: absolutely stunning wife and she says, Babe, fuck me again
Speaker 1: like you did this morning. He says, yes, Jennifer Lopez,
Speaker 1: I will and they never have a problem.
Speaker 2: That's beautiful. I celebrate every part of that. That is
Speaker 2: something that I cannot turn my nose at that.
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? And the rest of
Speaker 1: them are getting it into, but they're getting it in
Speaker 1: with each other. Yes, and they're queers and it will
Speaker 1: be fine. And it almost feels like we came out
Speaker 1: and we did it, and we have to have this
Speaker 1: thing of like, oh, they're gay actors. I meanwhile, they're
Speaker 1: all gay. They're just liars and we're not. They just
Speaker 1: never had to play assistance exactly. That's it. They have
Speaker 1: to live with some amount of torture. Though I would
Speaker 1: never want to be them. I would never want to
Speaker 1: be And this is the thing, is like I'm not
Speaker 1: even angry at them. I'm frustrated with them, and I'm
Speaker 1: frustrated with the system because I think they are unhappy
Speaker 1: for no fucking reasons. Exactly, for no fucking reason I have.
Speaker 1: Can I be honesty zone? Honesty zone?
Speaker 2: Sure, of course, no one should come out of the
Speaker 2: closet until it's safe and they feel empowered to do so.
Speaker 2: And maybe I say this to someone who was kind
Speaker 2: of dragged out of the closet, But I'm like, we
Speaker 2: can promise you with almost full certainty that like you'll
Speaker 2: just be happier, yet one hundred percent, you know, I'm
Speaker 2: not willing to go so far as to generalize for everybody,
Speaker 2: but like, that's just how I feel about the whole
Speaker 2: thing in journal. It doesn't matter if you're an alist star,
Speaker 2: as long as with the second you feel safe and
Speaker 2: that your fears are actually you realize that your fears
Speaker 2: about it are irrational.
Speaker 1: Just do it. I think that they think that they
Speaker 1: maybe they're the kind of person that thinks this actually
Speaker 1: is what's going to make me happy, and maybe it does,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Maybe it's fine for them
Speaker 1: to be like playing off a certain image to the
Speaker 1: world so they can succeed, or like certain like images
Speaker 1: of what is successful and masculine can be upheld. I
Speaker 1: get that, and I want to be like, they'll be
Speaker 1: so much happier. No, maybe they are the kind of
Speaker 1: person that this actually fulfills them, And I don't really
Speaker 1: want to know those people, and I don't really want
Speaker 1: to like be one of those people, but it could
Speaker 1: just be that this works for them, and that makes
Speaker 1: me feel crazy. That's why when we had our ninety
Speaker 1: second Street why, I was like, it's so weird to
Speaker 1: be in an industry and want to succeed in an
Speaker 1: industry have so much, so many problems.
Speaker 2: With you know, what, are you trying to uphold masculinity?
Speaker 2: There is no real version of that. The version of
Speaker 2: masculinity in the weird like the index of masculinity and
Speaker 2: the year twenty twenty three is like Joe Rogan, It's like,
Speaker 2: it's never going to be like an A List actor
Speaker 2: right anymore?
Speaker 1: Dirrec exactly. I feel like the bubbles burst on that, right.
Speaker 1: So when you are in full makeup and we're to
Speaker 1: believe that you're actually married to Xyz actress, it's like, dude,
Speaker 1: it's just kind of pathetic. And again I understand. I
Speaker 1: get it because like a lot of these people are
Speaker 1: like I mean, even in our generation, I feel like
Speaker 1: those people that still like struggle with this, and I
Speaker 1: feel like I'm coming down hard on me and I'm
Speaker 1: trying to like for communic effect to be like Lol.
Speaker 1: Fuck these guys like I get it. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: we get it. It's frustrating to see that image projected
Speaker 1: out into America and the world because it's just like
Speaker 1: that's not healthy. Like no one thinks it's healthy. No,
Speaker 1: No one's like, God, keep it up. Yeah, and this
Speaker 1: is gonna actually connect my thoughts to the Bravo thing
Speaker 1: that came out. I just hate like when we pretend
Speaker 1: this industry is not what it is, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like, it's not honest, it's not something where
Speaker 1: images aren't distorted.
Speaker 2: It's I just feel like your image gets distorted in
Speaker 2: any medium. There is a refractive index to any single
Speaker 2: means of transmission period. You get distorted on Instagram, yes,
Speaker 2: like on your own social media. It's like there's something
Speaker 2: exploitative about any broadcasting channel.
Speaker 1: And so I was reading this article, and for those
Speaker 1: of you who may not know, I was reading this
Speaker 1: article in Vanity Fair, which we had been told was coming.
Speaker 1: Like for full disclosure, I have not read it yet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I read it, Okay, So basically like it's Bethany Frankel's
Speaker 1: Big Swing at Bravo, and it's basically broken into three parts.
Speaker 1: One is Bethany, one is Leah, and one is Ebany K. Williams,
Speaker 1: And I actually think the article has a lot of
Speaker 1: interesting things to say, and to hear the perspective of
Speaker 1: Ebony K. Williams, I think is important.
Speaker 2: I've read the big takeaways about Ebane's whole journey with
Speaker 2: Bravo and it's really upsetting, right.
Speaker 1: And so basically I think that there should have been
Speaker 1: a completely separate article which was this story, because there's
Speaker 1: something to say here. And I think that by the way,
Speaker 1: Ebony K. Williams in this article is quoted as saying,
Speaker 1: fuck Bethany Frankel, like she I think is probably going
Speaker 1: to be disappointed, or maybe not disappointed, maybe she's just
Speaker 1: used to this shit, but it will be disappointing for
Speaker 1: me if I were Ebony and I had told my
Speaker 1: story and what I experienced and trying to deal with Ramona,
Speaker 1: and I was in the Vanity Fair piece and it
Speaker 1: was the fucking Bethany Frankel Housewives play book Inside Baseball
Speaker 1: engineered puff piece for her, which by the way, is
Speaker 1: written by an admitted fan of the franchise. And I'm
Speaker 1: going to assume it's New York because only New York
Speaker 1: How's Wives went on record for this, but basically, it's
Speaker 1: like Ebanie has real things to say about the way
Speaker 1: that the situation with Ramona's racism went down, about the
Speaker 1: way it was communicated, about the fact that Ramona still
Speaker 1: has a job on Ultimate Girl's Trip, and I think
Speaker 1: that there's a lot in that story which is important
Speaker 1: and should be heard. And it includes a black female
Speaker 1: producer saying that she experienced Ramona using the N word,
Speaker 1: not at her, but around her, and it's very frustrating
Speaker 1: the fact that Ramona is still working there for these
Speaker 1: people like that there's something really important there, and I
Speaker 1: think it diminishes that story to have it couched with
Speaker 1: these accounts by Bethany and Leah Bethany which seems very
Speaker 1: baldly personal against Andy Cohen. I feel that she for
Speaker 1: some reason has like a personal vendetta against him, and
Speaker 1: like it really feels that way, and it reeks of
Speaker 1: that because there's nothing really to be said about her
Speaker 1: experience outside of her saying that it's her penance to
Speaker 1: do this now, which feels convenient. And then Leah, who
Speaker 1: I like personally. I've talked to Leah before, but she
Speaker 1: just seems like someone who should not have been on
Speaker 1: reality television and was not well suited to that medium.
Speaker 1: She admittedly relapsed right before she started filming and told
Speaker 1: the producers that it was fine that she was drinking
Speaker 1: and that when alcohol was around, she participated in it.
Speaker 1: And she basically had that a continued relapse on television,
Speaker 1: and then when it finally ended, what she's saying is
Speaker 1: like the viewers and the producers felt she was more
Speaker 1: boring and they didn't have as much use for her. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: it's like, we see these housewives go on sober journeys
Speaker 1: all the time on these shows. I really started reading
Speaker 1: it with the intent to keep checking myself. I was like,
Speaker 1: I know, I'm a fan of the show. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: try to go in with an open mind to see
Speaker 1: if there's anything these women have to really say. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: but where is the misconduct in Bethany and Lea's stories.
Speaker 1: I'm not seeing it. Well, what was like the the
Speaker 1: union angle on the piece? To be honest with you,
Speaker 1: it's kind of unclear. It's like, and that's what I
Speaker 1: mean when I say it feels like it's more personal
Speaker 1: because it's like there's not really in the article this
Speaker 1: like spelling out of ways in which they want things
Speaker 1: to change. There's there's no like collective action there, because
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously you and I are pro union. But
Speaker 1: anytime I've read things about what Bethany's trying to accomplish,
Speaker 1: I go, I'm not connecting to like what about like
Speaker 1: collective power and bargaining like play into this whole Bravo world.
Speaker 1: I have never bought about Bethany Frankel that her next
Speaker 1: act is like Champion of the People. I've just never
Speaker 1: bought that about her, Like, I don't. I think maybe
Speaker 1: that's what she thinks will work for her, or what
Speaker 1: she thinks that we want to see from her. But like,
Speaker 1: I've just never bought that there was anything in the
Speaker 1: stuff that she does that wasn't personally motivated. I just don't.
Speaker 1: I think that she's a stunt queen. I think she
Speaker 1: wanted this out before Bravo Khan and before all these
Speaker 1: premieres this week because Bravos having like a big week
Speaker 1: right now, and I think that like there's a lot
Speaker 1: of eyes on reality because script it has to come
Speaker 1: to a standstill, and she knows she can get a
Speaker 1: lot of attention for this, but she's not really saying
Speaker 1: anything because they try to frame like, for example, when
Speaker 1: they go on vacation and the house is stocked with alcohol,
Speaker 1: they try to frame that like the producers and Andy
Speaker 1: Cohen are somehow applying these women with alcohol. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: but like that's what a vacation is. You go to
Speaker 1: the house and there's alcohol there. You then make your
Speaker 1: decisions about how you behave and what you can handle.
Speaker 1: If you cannot be in control of those decisions, not
Speaker 1: only should you in that environment, but you certainly shouldn't
Speaker 1: be televised in that environment. These women need better lawyers
Speaker 1: and better people around them to help them make decisions
Speaker 1: if they are not equipped to be in these circumstances.
Speaker 2: What was there anything in the article about how like
Speaker 2: there was pressure from producers.
Speaker 1: To get them to drink. There's these vague allusions to
Speaker 1: like Leah talks about how Andy I suppose asked did
Speaker 1: you have a relapse on camera and she said no,
Speaker 1: I relapsed shortly before. And then she claims that he
Speaker 1: looked disappointed, And I'm thinking, Okay, the assumption here is
Speaker 1: that he looked disappointed because you didn't relapse on camera.
Speaker 1: Is it possible he's disappointed that you really at all.
Speaker 1: It's just these like very vague, open ended assertions in
Speaker 1: the article and no real statement of misconduct outside of
Speaker 1: the ebony stuff, which I think sucks because the ebony
Speaker 1: stuff holds something. There's something there, yeah, yeah, whereas like
Speaker 1: there's they're there with the Bethany thing. The way this
Speaker 1: is being gone about.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry I'm using the passive voice here, but like
Speaker 2: Bethany's involvement and this is complicated because it can only
Speaker 2: be perceived as personal against Dandy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's true.
Speaker 2: I don't know, and there's nothing wrong with that in
Speaker 2: terms of like a union effort. But it's just like I,
Speaker 2: as a reader of this piece in the future, will
Speaker 2: I'll have to like parse that out and separate that
Speaker 2: from this narrative that's already been like worked into the
Speaker 2: medium that is reality television, which is platformed on Bravo,
Speaker 2: which is like that's the delivery system, and it's so
Speaker 2: it's like, well, how do we fix that system while
Speaker 2: also trying to make this better for it?
Speaker 1: Like let's get so tangled up. And I think the
Speaker 1: reason that that's also true is because it's also become
Speaker 1: part of this other macro thing in our culture, which
Speaker 1: is capital T, capital P, the takedown piece, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's like I know if this was
Speaker 1: gonna come out, and I, like I said, I started
Speaker 1: reading this being like, let's see, is there something harmful
Speaker 1: about this? Because if there is, we should know. And
Speaker 1: what I'm seeing when I read the piece is yeah,
Speaker 1: alcoholism is really rough. It is tough. It is a disease.
Speaker 1: It's tough. But I almost feel like, where is the
Speaker 1: piece about the NFL and the fact that how that
Speaker 1: is like alcohol culture and like you know, if you
Speaker 1: macro zoom out and you look at that, like you
Speaker 1: could take it apart. Where is the piece about like
Speaker 1: any part of this business that like is actually fucked up.
Speaker 2: We're not discussing this in terms of like, oh, like
Speaker 2: these shouldn't exist, like they should have done a better job,
Speaker 2: Like they didn't do what they sit out to do.
Speaker 2: We're just saying that, like it diminishes this impact overall,
Speaker 2: and it makes it hard for us as an audience,
Speaker 2: as a readership to like have an expectation for like
Speaker 2: what should happen next?
Speaker 1: Right, because the way that Bethany is like posed on
Speaker 1: the cover of Vanity Fail, this science can be saying nothing.
Speaker 1: I'm like, this actually takes the wind out of other pieces,
Speaker 1: sales and other journalists who actually have things to say
Speaker 1: about people who are actually in trouble in places in
Speaker 1: this business. And when the journalism is this soft and
Speaker 1: this shitty, it makes it harder for people who really
Speaker 1: need voices heard to be heard. Because if I'm to
Speaker 1: read this piece, then like there's a lot going on
Speaker 1: in in the ebony aspect, and like there's just not enough.
Speaker 1: And I really I think it's frustrating because it's like
Speaker 1: it to me reeks, like it's so playbook to have
Speaker 1: just come out before BRAVOCN and like it's just I
Speaker 1: just don't at all.
Speaker 2: It's like these deadlines are probably they're not helping, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. It's like they needed this to
Speaker 2: go out before bravocon, which meant that like it was
Speaker 2: maybe under reported, under researched or something, yeah, or like
Speaker 2: under evaluated on an editorial level where they go, what
Speaker 2: are we trying to say here?
Speaker 1: Right? Yeah, because it did seem confused to me at
Speaker 1: the end. It also felt confusing to me for them
Speaker 1: to admittedly say the writer of the piece was a
Speaker 1: fan of the show. So that's that's a huge red flash,
Speaker 1: right right, Like it just feels like that doesn't feel
Speaker 1: objective to me, and it shouldn't that be the point.
Speaker 2: I feel like Bradley Jackson an episode one of The
Speaker 2: Morning Show exactly, or I feel like Alex Levy to
Speaker 2: be honest, like, well, why are you the story?
Speaker 1: Let's talk t s TV one nine eight nine, Okay,
Speaker 1: let's do it. You scared?
Speaker 2: I'm not scared. I actually think there's a pretty general
Speaker 2: consensus about ts TV, which is which is there's some
Speaker 2: confusion about the vault tracks. One To me personally, I've
Speaker 2: only given them one listen yeah wow, and everything except slut.
Speaker 1: I'm like, this was written for midnights? Do you think so?
Speaker 1: I think that you could be right about that. I
Speaker 1: think that if it was written back then, I think
Speaker 1: it's certainly produced in a very midnight sy way. I'm
Speaker 1: sure sure then I will grant that. I think I'm
Speaker 1: in the majority here when I say and also, I
Speaker 1: don't want to hear it because every single time she
Speaker 1: releases an album, I praise up and down, like, yes,
Speaker 1: I think I've been I've always aired on the side.
Speaker 1: It is extremely enthusiastic about everything she's been releasing.
Speaker 2: When do you get to talk about Speaking Now TV?
Speaker 2: I think that is hugely underrated.
Speaker 1: Great. The Vault tracks are spectacular and they feel like
Speaker 1: Speak Now valltracks? Do they feel like Speak Now Vault tracks? Undeniably.
Speaker 2: I think her vocal choices on the re Records are
Speaker 2: very interesting, and I like that she's leaning into how
Speaker 2: she's aged, you know, as a vocalist, aged as in
Speaker 2: like texturized herself vocully in the year since were you
Speaker 2: about to say something about, Well, what I.
Speaker 1: Think is that some of these Vault tracks are really
Speaker 1: really good. Yes, I love it over yet I actually
Speaker 1: think for me, I think the standout is now that
Speaker 1: we Don't Talk. I love now that we don't talk.
Speaker 1: It slut is good. I mean, say Don't Go is
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. It's very Diane Warren. I love
Speaker 1: hearing that on Taylor like I feel like arranged differently,
Speaker 1: it could be a really fun song sung by a
Speaker 1: different vocalist, too, fun song the re Records mm hmmm.
Speaker 1: And it brings us no pleasure to say that it
Speaker 1: feels that didn't it feels like she chopped it up.
Speaker 1: I don't think she gave a shit or I just
Speaker 1: don't think she likes this producer that did a lot
Speaker 1: of it. I know. I think the Jack tracks fare
Speaker 1: a lot better. The Jack tracks sound great. Out of
Speaker 1: the Wood sounds great. Yeah, I think she does some
Speaker 1: interesting things on Out of the Woods for sure. I
Speaker 1: wish you would. I like to wish you would a lot.
Speaker 1: I like I wish you it a lot. And like
Speaker 1: if you were to look at the tweets about the
Speaker 1: Style rerecord, you would think they were hyperbolic. Whoa, I
Speaker 1: think this is like hyperbolically harsh. They are not. I
Speaker 1: think I think the Style rerecord is that bad. She
Speaker 1: sounds like she's not even thinking about the words when
Speaker 1: she sings it. And all I have had to say
Speaker 1: about her recently as a vocalist is how great I
Speaker 1: think she is. That is, without question, she's so amazing
Speaker 1: in concert. Just something didn't happen on the nineteen eighty
Speaker 1: nine Vault tracks like Whoo, the wild tracks of the records, No,
Speaker 1: the re records, I mean sorry, blank space again, there's
Speaker 1: none of the personality in it. Maybe she was just
Speaker 1: really in this specific bag when she was recording the
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty nine originally, but she sounded like she had
Speaker 1: other things on her mind. Yeah, on this on these
Speaker 1: new rerecorded versions, largely it's usually the track that this guy,
Speaker 1: Christopher Rowe produced. I don't think they did great work
Speaker 1: together on this.
Speaker 2: It's funny because on I think This Love and Wiless Dreams,
Speaker 2: if we're the ones that she released like way in advance,
Speaker 2: like years ago, she really is Wildless Dreams TV in
Speaker 2: This Love. I was like, these sound very promising. I
Speaker 2: mean while this Dream slaps compared to the other ones.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Like I wonder what the timeline was for the re
Speaker 2: records and all this stuff. There is something that's not
Speaker 2: There's no connective tissue here in terms of like where
Speaker 2: she was at whatever that means. Yeah, Like as she
Speaker 2: was doing this like I would speak now with Red
Speaker 2: with Fearless, like it's like there is this nice cohesion
Speaker 2: there throughout each album, going into the VALLT tracks especially,
Speaker 2: and I feel like there's such a distinct break after
Speaker 2: after New Romantics. You're just like this is a different
Speaker 2: thing sonically, which is fine. Problem of course, these are
Speaker 2: like cutting room floor tracks. Yeah, but I can't help
Speaker 2: it be like this was written in twenty ye twenty
Speaker 2: one for Midnight.
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? Yes, I totally get
Speaker 1: what you mean, whether or not that's true. Certainly, it
Speaker 1: felt like they didn't care as much about making it
Speaker 1: feel like nineteen eighty nine as much as they did
Speaker 1: on Certainly Fearless, Uh huh, definitely Red. Definitely read and
Speaker 1: Speak Now. That's what I really enjoyed about all those
Speaker 1: vaultracks because I was like, Wow, this feels like she's
Speaker 1: making a song like I can see you Like. I
Speaker 1: don't know if I listen to it every single day
Speaker 1: for the rest of my life, but it feels like
Speaker 1: I speak now track.
Speaker 2: When mfol is in love. Yes, definitely speak down track,
Speaker 2: and it's so lovely. I mean, there's nothing bad about
Speaker 2: these Vault tracks on nineteen eighty nine. It's just I,
Speaker 2: for some reason, I'm not sold on them being originally
Speaker 2: written for this album. That's my conspiracy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I feel like I do agree with you.
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm less hard on that because to me,
Speaker 1: what I'm like struggling are the re records, and because ostensibly,
Speaker 1: if they's supposed to be the versions that we're supposed
Speaker 1: to listen to now instead of the old ones. I
Speaker 1: don't want to listen to this new version of style.
Speaker 1: I want the old version of style. I want the
Speaker 1: old like space, And I feel like most people are
Speaker 1: going to listen to both and be like, you guys
Speaker 1: are fucking crazy. They sound the same.
Speaker 2: But there's something I'm sure I'm sure people. I'm sure
Speaker 2: a decent amount of people will actually agree with that.
Speaker 1: Yeh, she just sounds she doesn't sound in it on
Speaker 1: these rerecords, and I'm fucking obsessed with I saw the
Speaker 1: show four times. I've seen the movie twice. You let
Speaker 1: a movie this weekend. I saw the movie on Halloween
Speaker 1: instead of doing Halloween. Like That's that's who I am
Speaker 1: and where I'm at, Like, I don't want to come
Speaker 1: on here and be like the nineteen eighty nine re
Speaker 1: record didn't give.
Speaker 2: If you heard the rumor what that Ari's working with
Speaker 2: Max on her on Agy.
Speaker 1: Seven, babe? Is that a rumor? Or? Are you spelling tea?
Speaker 1: I'm not spelling tea. I'm just reading what pop Crave
Speaker 1: is being. So you so you're telling me that you
Speaker 1: went on pop Crave. You Boning went on pop Crave
Speaker 1: and thought there was a report from pop Grave and
Speaker 1: you didn't text your girl. I am not gonna bother
Speaker 1: her with trifling things such as this triveling things.
Speaker 2: It's not trifling things. I'm just like, I respect what
Speaker 2: she has with the way she engages with her music
Speaker 2: and her songwriting process, and I'm like, I'm not gonna
Speaker 2: be like a stand and be like so like, yeah,
Speaker 2: when's this coming? Like I like that is she She
Speaker 2: is in such an exploratory phase right now where I
Speaker 2: don't need to be like, oh, that's exciting, do you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. I'm like, I'm not gonna like
Speaker 2: bother you about this, Like whatever you like, You're gonna
Speaker 2: go splunking into the cave, and then whatever you come
Speaker 2: out with, we will pop carnage, we will gag, do
Speaker 2: you know what i mean? Like, this is a very
Speaker 2: exciting thing for me personally. I'm just like, whatever this
Speaker 2: girl is gonna is about to give with Max Martin,
Speaker 2: I'm like, it will be fucking amazing.
Speaker 1: I mean, even just hearing Brittany you talk about Max
Speaker 1: Martin and you realize how long this has been the
Speaker 1: dep of the doll.
Speaker 2: What else does a cultural topic. Well, Wicked twenty to all,
Speaker 2: everybody's been in Alphabe and Glenda, haven't they? But you
Speaker 2: know what, it is one of those things where you think,
Speaker 2: like Wicked really gagged the girls literally because it was
Speaker 2: like everyone before the show is like, there's no reason
Speaker 2: why a Broadway show with two female leads should go up. Wow,
Speaker 2: isn't that insane? And before like that wasn't a thing.
Speaker 1: M crazy? Yeah, I mean it like it really has
Speaker 1: launched so many careers. Oh absolutely, I mean I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go back on my thing about the DeLorean. I would
Speaker 1: love to DeLorean go back in time and see Adina
Speaker 1: and Kristen. And now you know what I would not do.
Speaker 1: I would not yell at that teacher thank you, because
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to. She's my lot, just because she
Speaker 1: was giving you some adversity. I think you grew from
Speaker 1: the adversity. I think I grew, grew and grew. Wait
Speaker 1: what you forgot? Something rest than piece? Matthew Perry. This
Speaker 1: was awful. This was awful. And this is that also
Speaker 1: had me thinking about like alcoholism and how difficult it is,
Speaker 1: because it seemed like he really fucking struggled and they
Speaker 1: haven't announced, you know, the cause of death or anything,
Speaker 1: but I just know how difficult he had it, and
Speaker 1: my heart just goes out so funny.
Speaker 2: I ran into someone on the train and I was
Speaker 2: listening to the Brittany audio book Finally Enough, and he
Speaker 2: was like, are you listening to it? I was like yeah,
Speaker 2: and he goes no, like I've been on a celebrity
Speaker 2: memoir kick. This was on like Tuesday, so it was
Speaker 2: like essentially hours before, not hours before, like days, but
Speaker 2: like still, it was so such a strange thing. He's
Speaker 2: like the Matthew Perry book.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh really.
Speaker 2: He was like I knew he was struggling, but like,
Speaker 2: I guess I haven't like looked into like how intense
Speaker 2: that was. He was like, no, it's like he talks
Speaker 2: about how like season three of Your Friends he was
Speaker 2: on like twenty vik it in a day, Like it
Speaker 2: was really hard for him and it's so tragic and
Speaker 2: and look shout out to Mindy Tucker, who today on
Speaker 2: Instagram went on a really well informed thing about how
Speaker 2: like let's just really be careful going into the water
Speaker 2: at all alone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, at any age.
Speaker 2: But especially as you're older. But like especially in hot tubs.
Speaker 2: Hot tubs are actually high key kind of dangerous, especially
Speaker 2: if you're alone, especially if you have a heart prop
Speaker 2: that you don't know about. Just if you're alone, it's
Speaker 2: just like it's not the safest place to be in correct.
Speaker 2: So that's that's really important that I feel like we
Speaker 2: often think that we we take for granted, I think
Speaker 2: are like vulnerability and humanity. Sometimes it's like, you know,
Speaker 2: we're human beings. We get into situations where our bodies
Speaker 2: get overwhelmed sometimes like we can't handle certain things.
Speaker 1: Like it just it is a reminder to be even
Speaker 1: more careful. That is so useful and true, And unfortunately,
Speaker 1: I wish it didn't have to take tragedies like this
Speaker 1: for us to tell each other to like take care
Speaker 1: of ourselves. And you know, obviously I feel badly even
Speaker 1: jumping into the narrative that like there must have been
Speaker 1: something that went wrong, but he was so public about
Speaker 1: his struggles with alcoholism that like, unfortunately, like the mention
Speaker 1: of his death at an early age just bring up
Speaker 1: questions about this and it is really fucking hard. And
Speaker 1: what I thought was at least a comfort in the
Speaker 1: last day or so, was there was a quote that
Speaker 1: was resurfacing that he said, which was, I might be
Speaker 1: a lot of things, but I am absolutely, one hundred
Speaker 1: percent a person who helps someone when they say they're
Speaker 1: struggling with what I'm struggling with. Like, even if I
Speaker 1: can't help myself, which I often can't, I am the
Speaker 1: person who every single time someone reaches out to me
Speaker 1: and they have a problem or they have something I'm
Speaker 1: going through related to alcohol or drugs, I point them
Speaker 1: in the right direction. So that is something I can
Speaker 1: say about myself. And I'm sure I'll be best known
Speaker 1: for Friends and this television show and this character that
Speaker 1: I played, but it would be nice if people could
Speaker 1: also remember that too. And he said something like, I
Speaker 1: know that won't happen, but that would be my wish.
Speaker 1: So I saw a bunch of people sharing that I
Speaker 1: shared that, and you know, he obviously was an incredibly
Speaker 1: talented and charismatic actor and a part of TV history,
Speaker 1: but he was also like a human being who struggled,
Speaker 1: and the fact that he wanted that to be true,
Speaker 1: I think is something that we can all help him accomplish.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I just can't believe we've hit the point where,
Speaker 2: like someone on the Friends cast has pass.
Speaker 1: Isn't that fucking crazy? Obviously, like they only played that
Speaker 1: close to friends on TV, But I did think of them.
Speaker 1: I thought, like, I wonder how they're all, you know,
Speaker 1: feeling and it's just so difficult then obviously triggering when
Speaker 1: anyone is publicly struggling with something that I think we
Speaker 1: all know someone who has been, especially as we get older,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, I think that we're
Speaker 1: all realizing, like.
Speaker 2: Well, just how it is you and I are hearting
Speaker 2: an age now where it's like, oh, this is when
Speaker 2: people that we know who are around our age start
Speaker 2: to realize stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, isn't that interesting. It's that actually, you know what.
Speaker 1: I even had therapy today and I talked about it today,
Speaker 1: like I not necessarily in the context of anyone, but
Speaker 1: it's just in the context of myself. I was like,
Speaker 1: I was thinking, like, you know, I was in the
Speaker 1: shower earlier, and I think I was thinking about maths,
Speaker 1: you know, some other people in my life, and I
Speaker 1: was thinking it would be hard for me to just
Speaker 1: stop drinking. And I don't even have that thing within
Speaker 1: me that begs me to drink again. Like I'm just
Speaker 1: saying socially, like in terms of how we live our lives.
Speaker 1: It would be hard for me to say I'm not
Speaker 1: drinking anymore, and I'm not. I'm not even someone who's sick.
Speaker 1: So I can't even imagine.
Speaker 2: That's why I like, I never it never surprises me
Speaker 2: or it never like shocks me when people like take
Speaker 2: a long time to understand that they have a problem
Speaker 2: with it, right, because alcohol specifically is so baked into
Speaker 2: everything in the culture. Everywhere you look, it's there, it's mentioned,
Speaker 2: people talk about it. Caunsula. It's like Sarah Sherman was
Speaker 2: saying this at work. It's like alcohol is capitalism. It's
Speaker 2: like it is just it is the big market, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's like thinking about like the ad dollars, like any
Speaker 1: like ad offers you get for alcohol, Like that is
Speaker 1: the highest paying market period. Yeah, Like alcohol ad money
Speaker 1: is the richest ad money out there. Absolutely, you know.
Speaker 2: It's like it's that for a reason. It's like there
Speaker 2: is a deep investment in making sure this thing gets
Speaker 2: distributed and that people consume it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's a lot. And I guess that's why
Speaker 1: the Housewives thing with the alcohol it bothered me even
Speaker 1: more because I was like, we're pretending like this isn't
Speaker 1: a part a symptom of culture. Like that's why I
Speaker 1: run up the football things because I'm like, this basically
Speaker 1: is a game that lives and dies on like this
Speaker 1: masculine thing. And like the alcohol, the selling of alcohol,
Speaker 1: the drinking of alcohol, the consumption of alcohol. I know
Speaker 1: from growing up in a culture that was football driven,
Speaker 1: that like it goes hand and hand. And it is
Speaker 1: really sad, as you said, to see people come up
Speaker 1: in environments where it's just a given and then discover
Speaker 1: they have real issues later. But they didn't really stand
Speaker 1: a chance because, as you said, it's baked in, especially
Speaker 1: when you're talking about capitalism, especially when you're talking about
Speaker 1: like eventized culture.
Speaker 2: But you know what I mean, Like it's if it's
Speaker 2: an event, it's assumed that it's there.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. I'm planning a party on Thursday, and what's been
Speaker 1: one of the number one things, how much alcohol do
Speaker 1: we need? In fact, it was the first thing.
Speaker 2: Girl, are you making a non alcoholic cocktail?
Speaker 1: Baby? You better I'm doing one for my housewarming. That's
Speaker 1: good that you won't be out. I'm very sad now
Speaker 1: I am sad I'm gonna be missing that. I would
Speaker 1: really want to come to that. It's that's so shitty,
Speaker 1: Like I should be here for your housewarming, but I
Speaker 1: literally can't be well.
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm not failing you as a friend
Speaker 2: because I'm not present for your album release.
Speaker 1: It's okay, I mean, like, here we are, we're celebrating
Speaker 1: each other. We don't need it to be Christmas at all.
Speaker 1: Hint at one of my songs anyway, not to be
Speaker 1: bleak on this episode, with all these topics we've talked about, like,
Speaker 1: I feel like we couldn't even get it up for
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty nine tailors or wait, hold on, let me
Speaker 1: look at my notes. Was anything good? I liked the
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills premiere, Yeah, it was fun. I like that
Speaker 1: Drey is activated, Derey is activated, Erica is learning about empathy. Yeah.
Speaker 1: When she was being explained empathy and she was like
Speaker 1: under her breath, how they feel, how they feel, I
Speaker 1: was like, this is it's actually I don't find that
Speaker 1: endearing at all. Erica is like, you're not pro Erica.
Speaker 1: I've never really been. Pat Reagan and I have both
Speaker 1: worn it as bad as of honor. Yes, You're right,
Speaker 1: he was never. You would never. I was never pro Erica.
Speaker 1: I used to love Erica, and I feel like I
Speaker 1: get it.
Speaker 2: She's like a shiny bobble of the thing, but like
Speaker 2: a rotten person to her core. And what lights me
Speaker 2: up now watching Beverly Hills is and I never thought
Speaker 2: I would say this in a million years.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm about to say, Sutton. I'm like,
Speaker 1: get Sutton back on the television. You have said this before,
Speaker 1: like you are a slut.
Speaker 2: I'm a sluttin now I'm a full sluton like she is. Look,
Speaker 2: she has the capacity to grow more than anyone else
Speaker 2: on the show, like a.
Speaker 1: Huge part of it.
Speaker 2: She's a huge part of it. She's so compelling. She
Speaker 2: is always funny, always interesting, can go from being light
Speaker 2: to also being very heavy when she wants.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she is very good at this. Yeah, she's a
Speaker 1: good housewife. And I will say the Garcelle stuff. This
Speaker 1: week I was upset for her because I actually think
Speaker 1: it's tough because the Erica thing with Jack's when she
Speaker 1: was mean to him on television and asking him at
Speaker 1: the party, I think that may have affected him more
Speaker 1: than we realized. Fucking sucks that was not good. But
Speaker 1: I thought the way he was talking to his mother,
Speaker 1: I was really upset for her because he was like,
Speaker 1: I needed a mom two years ago and you weren't
Speaker 1: there and now I'm fine, so whatever, And then she
Speaker 1: for her to say to camera that she felt like
Speaker 1: she'd failed as a mom. I was like, I just
Speaker 1: thought about talking to my own mom like that, And
Speaker 1: I was like, you're gonna really regret saying that to
Speaker 1: your mom on television because I don't know if he
Speaker 1: says that to his father. And also, let's be real,
Speaker 1: like she didn't ask to be a single mom. No,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but you're sitting on the beach in Malibu
Speaker 1: in your Like, I just didn't like the way you
Speaker 1: talked to his mom, who's really hard.
Speaker 2: To give him a life where he can sit on
Speaker 2: the beach of Mailivis.
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna have regrets about the way he
Speaker 1: talked to her on television because I think that she
Speaker 1: didn't deserve to have her feelings hurt like that. I
Speaker 1: understand like.
Speaker 2: That that was a traumatic moment that he had. That
Speaker 2: moment televised YEA when Erica was being horrible, But yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's it's not Garcel's fault.
Speaker 1: That just made me feel bad because A I don't
Speaker 1: think it's true that she's been anywhere near a failiurism mom.
Speaker 1: I think she works hard and loves her kids a
Speaker 1: lot and has an opportunity now, like to really hit
Speaker 1: the pavement and like make a lot of money for
Speaker 1: them and like really support them and herself, and she
Speaker 1: should have that opportunity and be I just think he's
Speaker 1: gonna regret it. I would not want to be on television. Yeah,
Speaker 1: as a fourteen year old saying that to my mother.
Speaker 1: It actually it really shook me, and I just I
Speaker 1: don't know. And how real do you think this Kyle
Speaker 1: Richard stuff is.
Speaker 2: I don't know what to make of it. I am
Speaker 2: like so done with Kyle being the de facto protagonist
Speaker 2: of this show. I'm like, am I supposed to get?
Speaker 2: You know, I'm supposed to care?
Speaker 1: But do why? I can't put my finger on it.
Speaker 1: Something about it is not landing with me. I think
Speaker 1: that they probably are having a transition in their marriage.
Speaker 1: I get that, but there's something about the tattoos and
Speaker 1: the being hanging out with Morgan Wade. There's something about
Speaker 1: it there's something about it which doesn't pass the smell
Speaker 1: test to me.
Speaker 2: Well, like so many things about Kyle in recent seasons
Speaker 2: have been like wait what like wait, what is this about?
Speaker 2: Like the whole the whole Kathy thing. Like I'm just
Speaker 2: like we lack context. There's something off, something's off. But
Speaker 2: something has been off with her. I can't tell when
Speaker 2: she's acting. Something's not authentic.
Speaker 1: About it period. Yeah, and I guess we'll see Potomac soon. Oh.
Speaker 2: I have also lol Erica being like, I'm on hormones.
Speaker 2: It's it's hormones. My hormones are amazing. It's not ozempic.
Speaker 2: Ozempic is a hormone. Essentially, that's her way around it.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, no judgment, no judgment there, but it's
Speaker 2: like just say it, yeah, no judgment. But again, like
Speaker 2: it's like the thing with these actors being like I'm
Speaker 2: married to this woman. What are you trying to protect?
Speaker 1: What are you? Who's who? Like okay whatever, And if
Speaker 1: it is just hormones, like slag go on, it's just
Speaker 1: that like it's convenient that it happens concurrently with the
Speaker 1: very publicized rise of Rose Epic. If the Potomac taglines
Speaker 1: were RuPaul's drag race challenge. Who is the top of
Speaker 1: the week and who's in the bottom two? I mean
Speaker 1: we both know Canvas is the winner, Candas is the winner,
Speaker 1: and the bottom is I'm gonna say, Robin Dixon, Robin Dixon,
Speaker 1: you are in the bottom. The seven are doing bottom
Speaker 1: two hundred percent. That bitch and she did the whole
Speaker 1: DNA test and it turns out don't care. But the
Speaker 1: way she goes, the way she says care is so shocking.
Speaker 1: I one percent don't care, but she goes down a
Speaker 1: full optave. She's definitely bottom two.
Speaker 2: She fucking so he has always actually know has not always.
Speaker 1: This is the thing that we were talking about.
Speaker 2: I used to love these women, and it's so sad
Speaker 2: how now I don't.
Speaker 1: Every season I go in trying, but Robin has set
Speaker 1: a low bar, and I will say, girl, if you
Speaker 1: really don't care, why are you crying on the street, Wait.
Speaker 2: Crying on the street. Why are you hiding shit from
Speaker 2: the show?
Speaker 1: Why are you crying on the street on the side
Speaker 1: of the road. If you don't care, you care, It's okay.
Speaker 1: It's okay to care, be activated, be upset that your
Speaker 1: husband keeps cheating on you.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, like, Wow, it's like we
Speaker 2: need to shake her into like being.
Speaker 1: Wake up Robin and then who else is bottom? Two?
Speaker 1: What did Ashley say? I don't even remember, Mia. Oh,
Speaker 1: I might live in a small house, but it's small.
Speaker 1: That's something like that.
Speaker 2: I'm starting not and I'm not saying that, like the
Speaker 2: square footage of your house determines anything about you. But
Speaker 2: for me a Thornton, to say that and use that
Speaker 2: as our tagline is that.
Speaker 1: Anyway, we so look forward to it. We're gonna watch
Speaker 1: my right after this. I'm gonna eat more water soon.
Speaker 1: But speaking of water and re energizing, let's re energize
Speaker 1: our audience because I know they're thirsty little piglets for
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 2: Yes, this is I don't think so honey. This is
Speaker 2: where we take one minute to rail against something in culture. Matt,
Speaker 2: do you have a topic?
Speaker 1: I do have a topic.
Speaker 2: Okay, this is Matt Rogers. I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 2: As time starts now.
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey. Anyone's saying the wrestling singlet
Speaker 1: is played as a Halloween costume. Hi, boys, I say
Speaker 1: keep going. You got good, You got those thunder thighs.
Speaker 1: You can fill it out. You push the dick to
Speaker 1: the side, push to the side. I keep rocking those
Speaker 1: wrestling singlets. Girls. That is a costume? Yes? Is it
Speaker 1: like Madonna and iight on Rupel's drag race with some
Speaker 1: of you? Yes? I keep seeing too many singlets. But
Speaker 1: it's fine because guess what they work. You boys look good.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. You just al seem to be really
Speaker 1: pulling it off, and someday soon, you know, maybe it's
Speaker 1: not gonna look like that. I know the power of
Speaker 1: walking around in the wrestling singlet at your best. I
Speaker 1: wore one in the film Fire Island, and I'm so
Speaker 1: happy that it's on camera. So so you would want
Speaker 1: on camera too, So you know, when's a really good
Speaker 1: opportunity to get photographed and videoed on Halloween, honey. And
Speaker 1: it's an excuse because you can't just go out walking everywhere.
Speaker 1: We're in a wrestling singlet. So I support you boys
Speaker 1: and ladies and all my nb's out there who want
Speaker 1: to wear a wrestling singlet. You look amazing, and that's
Speaker 1: one minute. You're so right.
Speaker 2: Let the girls wear the singlet.
Speaker 1: I say, and it's just so tired, because really, what
Speaker 1: you're saying when you see a wrestling single and you're like,
Speaker 1: h her real original is you're like you you're scared
Speaker 1: to admit how horny you are a wrestling singlet? Does
Speaker 1: it every time? Does it every time?
Speaker 2: This is not my I don't think somebody is Halloween
Speaker 2: related as well, but it's not this but like low effort,
Speaker 2: Halloween is actually okay, it's the only way to go.
Speaker 2: It's actually like the smarter way to go. And we're
Speaker 2: afraid to say it. But if you're putting in a
Speaker 2: lot of f and well, actually this is this is
Speaker 2: about to be mad. I don't think somebody said, put
Speaker 2: me in the clock.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Okay, so we're going all right to
Speaker 1: the clock. But when's transitioning right into his? I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey, this is his. I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: As time starts now, I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 2: If you are hiring prostheticians to put shit on you
Speaker 2: for your Halloween costume, girl, that is peacocking a little
Speaker 2: too much. Don't you think the only person who is
Speaker 2: maybe allowed to do that as Mattie Majakamo for his
Speaker 2: peloton walk classes because he looks. He goes all in
Speaker 2: and he looks amazing and he commits to the damn look.
Speaker 2: But if you're out there going to Horseman Disco and
Speaker 2: you're you have little prosthetic things like your fucking gaga
Speaker 2: during the Born in This Way era, honey stop, it's
Speaker 2: a waste of time, a waste of money. You cannot
Speaker 2: possibly be sumfortable with all that shit on you. You
Speaker 2: can put liquid latex on your face, if you want
Speaker 2: to look like you're mangled. Fine, you can go all
Speaker 2: out with the horror makeup. Yes, please go off, my queen.
Speaker 2: But if you are hiring people, I've seen some of
Speaker 2: you girls with your little time lap studios of hiring
Speaker 2: makeup artists to put shit on you for the damn night,
Speaker 2: and it's like, I don't think this is worthwhile.
Speaker 1: It's Halloween. Just take it easy.
Speaker 2: We cannot be like wealth brandish sha about this way.
Speaker 1: And that's one minute. You don't think there's something to
Speaker 1: be said about them helping the economy, girl, because makeup
Speaker 1: boards are making a coin on every Halloween. If your
Speaker 1: Heidi clume, if your thing is I go all fun
Speaker 1: but don't go to horse go with it. I'm saying,
Speaker 1: don't go to a fucking party with that shit. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I'm like, you, guys, maybe I'm speaking from a
Speaker 2: privileged place because like.
Speaker 1: Oh, I played dross up every weekend. Yeah, you get
Speaker 1: this opportunity all the time to look like a crazy creature.
Speaker 1: But I on a costume.
Speaker 2: I just think this is another area in which we
Speaker 2: get to like, mmm, kind of like flex a little bit.
Speaker 2: And there's that's fine, there's nothing wrong with that. I
Speaker 2: just am like, it can be a lot. It's the
Speaker 2: trip wire is low, you know.
Speaker 1: I just worry. And here's the thing, Like for me,
Speaker 1: it's no big deal. If anyone else wants to go
Speaker 1: all the way off, please, I just it's so uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: Even if I put a wig on. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I'm absolutely dying dying under this wig. Forget about makeup
Speaker 1: and all the things. And sometimes these like cumbersome costumes. Girl,
Speaker 1: I just feel like crazy crazy. But people can do
Speaker 1: whatever they want to do. But you're taking a stand.
Speaker 1: You're saying no, I'm saying I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: which is oh yeah, we all know, is not you know,
Speaker 1: to be taken not to be sick and serious. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, girl girl, we.
Speaker 2: Went heavy this episode. We talked about Brittany, we talked
Speaker 2: about the Housewives, thing, talked about Matthew, and we talked
Speaker 2: about nineteen eighty ninet TV.
Speaker 1: This was the takedown episode.
Speaker 2: We weren't taking things down and we were taking down
Speaker 2: her family.
Speaker 1: Yeah. What should we call this episode? Hmmm?
Speaker 2: Interesting, vicious jerending, vicious jerending.
Speaker 1: Vicious jarending. Do you think that says? Click me? I
Speaker 1: think so? That's it.
Speaker 2: I want to be What are these boys talking about?
Speaker 1: You don't think so? You want to coll something better?
Speaker 1: Was something juicy? Okay? Hmmm? The Britney episode, the Brittany
Speaker 1: Episode two, The Britney Episode two Brittany and Moore Perfect,
Speaker 1: The Britney Episode two Brittany and More perfect to me? Wow,
Speaker 1: we did.
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us. As always, Readers, keyse public Is finalists,
Speaker 2: be sure to stream. Have you heard of Christmas This?
Speaker 1: Wow? It's coming out. I cannot wait for my sister.
Speaker 1: This is a ten out of ten no Skips album.
Speaker 1: I'm so proud of you. Two Kinds of mea Quina.
Speaker 1: We end a three episode with a song them might
Speaker 1: be a little wayne because I've leave been saying in
Speaker 1: chances you don't know what I do say in my life.
Speaker 1: If you get oh, I guess I lost the words.
Speaker 1: It's fine. All I know is action. Wait, you know
Speaker 1: what I wanted to say before we end. She was
Speaker 1: an unbelievable recording artist. If you listen to your songs,
Speaker 1: what she does on me against the music, there's a
Speaker 1: vocal which is like rab take it down, Like with
Speaker 1: the sounds she was making vocal fruh, She's like fuck,
Speaker 1: I don't care the sounds she was making to like
Speaker 1: create her lead vocal. Brittany was an amazing singer.
Speaker 2: She was an incredible singer. And in the Zone is
Speaker 2: it's for me. It's always been a time between in
Speaker 2: the Zone and Blackout.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean she really loves Blackout and.
Speaker 2: She really lives in the Zone, and she really loves Glory.
Speaker 1: I love the Glory.
Speaker 2: Glory is an amazing I need to listen to Glory
Speaker 2: all the way through.
Speaker 1: When it starts and you listen to Invitation, just like
Speaker 1: put your earphones in and like close your eyes and
Speaker 1: lay on your back, girl, because Brady will thank you
Speaker 1: for a ride, she's inviting, she is, and then you
Speaker 1: know you also get on that album. Do you look
Speaker 1: at her? Bye Bye,