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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, It's Matt and I'm very excited to let

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Speaker 1: you know that my debut album, Have You Heard Of Christmas?

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Speaker 1: Is out Friday, November three. Stream it everywhere in anywhere

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Speaker 1: also got new merch and tickets to my tour at

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Speaker 1: www Dot Matt Rogersofficial dot com. I'm starting with six

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Speaker 1: shows at the Soho Theater in London from November thirteenth

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Speaker 1: through eighteenth, and then I'm all over the States and

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Speaker 1: Toronto starting December first in Philly and wrapping up December

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Speaker 1: twenty third in New York City. Again, check out www

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Speaker 1: Dot Matt Rogersofficial dot com for all the new music,

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Speaker 1: merch and tour info. Very exciting. It's officially Christmas and

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Speaker 1: now my gift to you a podcast. Look Marire, oh,

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Speaker 1: I see you my own go and look over there

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Speaker 1: is that culture? Yes? Goodnow lost lost, just calling.

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Speaker 2: I've had an acts of violence committed in my own home.

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Speaker 1: I knocked over with reckless abandon a glass of water.

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Speaker 2: I didn't offer to poor you new glass.

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Speaker 1: You didn't I do well because because you said something

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Speaker 1: as you What did I say? Was that water?

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Speaker 2: Do you remember you said you drank that water that

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Speaker 2: I poured you earlier, and you said this is the

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Speaker 2: best water.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I said, this is the best water I've ever drank.

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Speaker 1: So is that a new Britta?

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Speaker 2: No, I've had that for many many moments.

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Speaker 1: Now do you clean it a lot? Do you let it?

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Speaker 2: I clean it a lot. I get really scared about mold.

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Speaker 2: I get really diligent.

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Speaker 1: About it because you know, one time I really got

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Speaker 1: sick from my own Britta filter. You think it was

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Speaker 1: the mold because I actually was under the impression. And

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Speaker 1: this is sort of hashtag how I be. But I

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Speaker 1: thought that because it was a Britta, you didn't have

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Speaker 1: to clean it. No, girl, Well, clearly no. My own

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Speaker 1: body was telling me that. Over months, I became weaker.

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Speaker 1: I became a shell of myself from the Britta.

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Speaker 2: Isn't it crazy how everything in this world needs to

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Speaker 2: be cleaned? Mm hm, there is not a single.

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Speaker 1: Thin bitch that is so macro what you said every

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Speaker 2: I mean, on so many levels that statement should resonate.

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Speaker 2: But I think you have to wipe every single thing

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Speaker 2: you own.

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Speaker 1: It is so much more important than you ever know.

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Speaker 1: There was years of my life. I was living in Squalor, Squalor,

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Speaker 1: my own filter. You could compare it to grey gardens,

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Speaker 1: but it was like an unseen gray garden's atmosphere. What

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Speaker 1: was going on in my apartments for years because I

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Speaker 1: just didn't know how to change filters? I just didn't.

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Speaker 1: And I'm talking about both britta and air. Yes, I'm

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Speaker 1: talking about filters and every good.

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Speaker 2: Luck getting me to change the air filters and anything.

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Speaker 1: My mother will be texting me every five and a

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Speaker 1: half months. You know it's almost time to change the filters.

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Speaker 1: Your parents, I don't know keep track of this shit.

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Speaker 1: I don't get I feel like you and I have both.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to use this word in the jair.

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Speaker 1: We've both become adults. What I was not going to say? Adulting?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Seriously? Yes, yes, So a jerand is just anything

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Speaker 1: like a cultural jaren. That's true. I don't know a

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Speaker 2: Jarened a form that is derived from a verb, but

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Speaker 1: Thank you for letting Jaren right, thank you for your

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Speaker 1: letting me know. Does that make sense? Doesn't make any

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Speaker 2: Not in that use, because it's just a verb. You

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Speaker 1: In instructing me, you've done something, You've really done something

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Speaker 2: I was like very like personnikity. And I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: And you know what else is happening right now, You're

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Speaker 1: there's some things I do with punctuation. No, and you

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Speaker 2: Occasions no, and I actually think you're right.

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Speaker 2: The punctuation should be either in some cases it's within

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Speaker 1: And I think that it's so difficult for me to

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Speaker 2: I know what you mean, but try to explain and

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Speaker 1: It's okay. So say this was the sentence Britney Spears

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Speaker 1: Wait, here's it in a sentence Britney Spears was one

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Speaker 2: Here's an example. In Britney's book, she says, quote, oh,

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Speaker 2: Jamie Lynn lied to me comma end quote, before she

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Speaker 2: went on to accuse her father Jamie Spears, like, does

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Speaker 2: that make sense? Like the quote the comma is in

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Speaker 2: If it's Britney Spears's book quote the woman in me

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Speaker 1: No, because the book would not be in quotation because

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Speaker 1: what we have to know everyone is that we were

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Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about. You a punctuation, Yes you do.

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Speaker 1: And while that's not coming across here, because I don't

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Speaker 1: You don't know your words that you do know your ma,

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Speaker 1: my mechanics. When I'm typing out, it's a different beast

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Speaker 2: Can I say, But when you are typing or when

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Speaker 2: you were guiding a typing session, huh, you have the authority.

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Speaker 2: Something happens where you become the queen.

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Speaker 1: Something happens when I become the queen. When someone is typing,

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Speaker 1: Sudie would say, why don't you just type? And I

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Speaker 1: I think the apostrophe goes over here, I think the

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Speaker 1: colon here, No, that's a semi colon. What we need

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Speaker 1: is a call it. I think I should just type,

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Speaker 1: because then, like I wouldn't feel like I was patronizing.

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Speaker 1: This is a very specific conversation that we're having, But

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people can relate to this

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Speaker 1: because I don't find moments like that to be micromanagy.

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Speaker 1: I don't mean to be. I just want punctuation to

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Speaker 2: Also, I don't mind being micromanaged.

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Speaker 1: I really don't. I really don't unless the person's wrong.

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Speaker 2: Unless the person's wrong, and I'm like, but then I,

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Speaker 2: hopefully in a very respectful way, say I disagree, yeah,

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Speaker 2: on this document, I'll be like, tell me what to do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But I guess I'd rather just take it then

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Speaker 1: I don't want anyone to think, uh huh, I don't

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Speaker 1: don't know. It's I think such a talented writer. I

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Speaker 1: And maybe you can relate to this. When I was younger, yes,

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Speaker 2: And more often than that, you were right. I don't

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Speaker 1: I was the only student in my senior year of

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Speaker 1: It's proud of you. And here's the thing. You think

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Speaker 1: But inside you know that you were one of those

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Speaker 1: standardized girls. No, but that means nothing. I say that

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Speaker 2: Because I'm like, it really says nothing about the person.

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Speaker 2: And this is a critique on modern educational system.

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Speaker 1: I think that that's so far what this episode has

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Speaker 1: been one thousand percent.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, our schools has failed us. Man and I are

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Speaker 2: both products of the public.

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Speaker 1: Schools which we support, which we support, but on some

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Speaker 1: level we feel filed. You know. We were talking the

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Speaker 1: about like just how you learned things in high school? Yes,

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Speaker 1: tell me if this rings true for you. Would a

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Speaker 1: down notes. Yeah, And the teachers would say repetition is

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Speaker 2: One thousand percent. Yeah, and it's repetition is not the

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Speaker 2: key to learning. And actually this is a perfect story

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Speaker 2: and example about when a teacher, fully we could all

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Speaker 2: I say because it's always right. And we really hated

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Speaker 1: the Delorian girl. We're going back. I have to go

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Speaker 1: two thousand and one, Mason, Oh shit, what do you mean?

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Speaker 2: No, was this after September eleventh or before?

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Speaker 1: This is my question.

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Speaker 1: Does that ever happen to you? It's happened to me.

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Speaker 1: there's no way, lo and behold, no, you weren't even on. No,

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Speaker 2: At like nine in the morning. Honey, that's when they

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Speaker 1: No, sweetie, sweetiere, you just and Kelly. Well really, Regis

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Speaker 2: We can announce, we can talk now, we can announce,

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Speaker 2: we can announce that, my girl. First of all, have

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Speaker 2: you heard of Christmas is out this Friday?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Number third featuring Bowen Yang on the track

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Speaker 1: Rockefeller Santa.

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Speaker 2: Very very honored and privileged one of my professional peaks.

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Speaker 1: You and side I'm on side A, Oh my god,

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Speaker 2: You are also featuring Vincent and Leland and Moon as

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Speaker 2: we know. But now we'll be on Kelly Clerkson on Thursday. Kelly,

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Speaker 2: this is you going on Kelly your friends. Now, this

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Speaker 1: I don't feel that nervous to go on because can

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Speaker 1: The more people have gone up to her about our

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna see her Thursday you were on. Isn't that funny?

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Speaker 1: Our friend Kelly, Our friend Kelly wait as a Lily lawyer.

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Speaker 2: You hated to give her recommendations for New York. She

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Speaker 1: I actually like I am an arsenal of information. Unill

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Speaker 1: I guess I don't really know like what she likes

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Speaker 1: Like she's a single lady in New York. She looking good,

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Speaker 1: she's got a new stylist on fair. She's like really

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Speaker 1: I'm seeing a man in there. Okay, lucky fella, I've

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Speaker 2: I love to hear that speaking of women in pop Yes,

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Speaker 2: we must. I mean, there's no way we don't talk

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Speaker 1: Well, it's allegedly the best selling memoir of all time,

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Speaker 1: and this is Britney Spears The Woman in Me. Of course,

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Speaker 1: the Woman in Me is itolicized. It being the title

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Speaker 2: Being the title book. We're holding a hard copy in

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Speaker 2: our hands.

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Speaker 1: We are, indeed, but we can confirm our method of

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Speaker 2: And miss Michelle Williams must win some series of accolades

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Speaker 1: It's the Grammy for sure for her. Yes, and can

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Speaker 1: I say she just became a serious egot contender. Michelle's

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Speaker 1: it's coming from Brittany one thousand. It's a channeling moment.

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Speaker 2: It fully channels her. And I will say, like, this

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Speaker 1: It's very clear, and it's clear, it's almost instructional about

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Speaker 2: There's no mistaking it, there's no like interpreting it a

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Speaker 2: Michelle reads it is so so like watery is not

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Speaker 2: It flows like water. It's delicate like water. I don't know,

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Speaker 2: I may, Bruce leebagg I.

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Speaker 1: Think that like something that I can pull from what

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Speaker 1: And you can tell this was like an intimate piece

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Speaker 1: horrible that it's like if it were to be indulged

433
00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,000
Speaker 1: in by the person who went through it. I don't

434
00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:23,919
Speaker 1: even know if she could have permanence on this. It's

435
00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,360
Speaker 1: almost better because she might want to throw a lot

436
00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,200
Speaker 1: of this away or like rush through this or get

437
00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:32,400
Speaker 1: nervous the whole thing and just like that, yeah, wow,

438
00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:34,000
Speaker 1: who knew? Who knew?

439
00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,920
Speaker 2: And just like that would be prescient in that way.

440
00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:39,440
Speaker 1: I just did such a word salad, but like no, no, no,

441
00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:41,560
Speaker 1: in such a.

442
00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:43,560
Speaker 2: I just called her performance watery what do you mean,

443
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:47,040
Speaker 2: I'm in the word salad. But Michelle, I was so

444
00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:50,520
Speaker 2: struck by like the moment she chose to dial it back,

445
00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:52,960
Speaker 2: dial it up, Like when they get to the part

446
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,840
Speaker 2: where she shaves her head, there's such a shift in

447
00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,439
Speaker 2: the performance where Michelle, like and Thomas both know to

448
00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:03,120
Speaker 2: like give this most gravity there can be, Like this

449
00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:06,639
Speaker 2: was her one of her lowest moments where she was

450
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,840
Speaker 2: denied access to her own children when they were only

451
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:14,320
Speaker 2: like a year or less, And God like that whole moment.

452
00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:16,439
Speaker 2: The way that that is narrated, the way it's written

453
00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:18,000
Speaker 2: is phenomenal.

454
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:21,000
Speaker 1: What I love too is like she doesn't let anyone

455
00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:24,560
Speaker 1: off the hook, but she also gives context for what

456
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 1: she's kind. She's very kind. She actually does something here,

457
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,560
Speaker 1: which is she gives the backstory of the way her

458
00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:35,440
Speaker 1: father grew up. And I think something that's a compliment

459
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,320
Speaker 1: to her kindness and the fact that she really actually

460
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:42,640
Speaker 1: gave her family some humanity here is that she illustrated

461
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:44,560
Speaker 1: the cycle of abuse, you know what I mean, Like,

462
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:48,360
Speaker 1: her grandfather was very very abusive to her father, who

463
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 1: because of that, was you know, nasty to her mother.

464
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:54,160
Speaker 1: Her mother did not have it easy her mother was

465
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:58,119
Speaker 1: you know, very very complicit in Britney's treatment and like

466
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:02,240
Speaker 1: cruel in her own right, but she goes out of

467
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 1: her way to explain why these people might have treated

468
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 1: her this way. And what I thought was the really,

469
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,200
Speaker 1: if there's anything like beautiful to come out of this,

470
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 1: it's that at least Britney's children seem happy and taken

471
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 1: care of, you know what I mean, Like, so at

472
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 1: least the cycle of abuse seems to have been broken,

473
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 1: because it seems like she has happy children, and that

474
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 1: is something that I left the book with, which was

475
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:32,679
Speaker 1: this is someone who, by all intents and purposes, could

476
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,679
Speaker 1: have become a monster in her own course. And she

477
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:37,640
Speaker 1: says that, you know, she wasn't perfect. There were times

478
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 1: she was weird, there were times she made mistakes, but

479
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,480
Speaker 1: she's got happy kids, and it seems like to this

480
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,639
Speaker 1: day that's what she cares about the most, and that

481
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 1: almost feels like reason for the book existing.

482
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 2: Well, and the kids are now like seventeen sixteen, Yeah,

483
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,400
Speaker 2: they're older. They're older now, you know when she describes

484
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,399
Speaker 2: like lockdown or whatever and then just like being together,

485
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 2: I was like, well, at least there's that, like at

486
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,639
Speaker 2: least and even that was the conservatorship technically, but it

487
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,200
Speaker 2: was like the kids showing her like what they painted,

488
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 2: or like, yeah, the music or whatever that they would

489
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 2: like play. And it's just it's so difficult to close

490
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 2: out a book like this, the memoir like this, and

491
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 2: end it on a hopeful note, right, because it is

492
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 2: one of the great American tragedies period totally.

493
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,120
Speaker 1: But the thing is, like I almost feel like in

494
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,920
Speaker 1: ending the book, she would want us to think less

495
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 1: of her as a tragedy and more as like someone

496
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 1: who even though we might not get it, and we

497
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:36,199
Speaker 1: might as people that are looking at the phones like

498
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 1: see what she's posting and think how sad, Like she

499
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 1: at least takes ownership and accountability over what we might

500
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,880
Speaker 1: deem as like weird or crazy, because even if it's

501
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 1: not anything we would post her we would do, at

502
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 1: least it's autonomy. Yes, well, no, she explains it in

503
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:54,879
Speaker 1: a way that like changed my whole perspective on it,

504
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 1: where like I was one of those people who in

505
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 1: recent months or whatever, has been like, oh, Britney is

506
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 1: really doing the knife dance whatever. But like I think

507
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 1: she says specifically like people might think I'm being strained,

508
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 1: and I post these videos of myself just posing and closed.

509
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 1: But like, if you think of it, I've had my body. Yeah,

510
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 1: I've been photographed my entire life by other people and

511
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 1: evaluated by other people. Like if this is me actually

512
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 1: feeling really sexy and pretty and nice and like wanting

513
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 1: to show people the way that I want to. Yeah,

514
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,879
Speaker 1: and honestly, like, even if she doesn't quote unquote like

515
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 1: the way she looks, like that's always been for other

516
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:34,360
Speaker 1: people anyway. Like, it's like it's been really interesting literally

517
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,639
Speaker 1: hearing from her the stuff about you know, when she

518
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 1: famously like shaved her head, It's like she literally turned

519
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,199
Speaker 1: herself into a monster because that's what the gaze of

520
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 1: society and the male gaze had done to her. They

521
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,160
Speaker 1: were like, she was like, you know what, I understand,

522
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,120
Speaker 1: this is why you're looking. So I'm going to make

523
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 1: myself unattractive to you. And then she did so, and

524
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 1: even her own family was treating her like she was

525
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 1: the way she looked, which to them was disgusting.

526
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, like it is deeply kind to her family, the

527
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 2: way she even like includes her mother in and obviously,

528
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 2: like Jean Spears was affected by Jamie's alcoholism in a

529
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 2: very direct way. But like the way that like Brittany

530
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 2: would write about her and her mom having to like

531
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 2: withstand these nights where her dad would just be on

532
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 2: a rampage like that is terrifying or not Jean Spears,

533
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,640
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, lind spin lind Spears is her mom. Sorry

534
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 2: Jeane is the grandmother. But the way that well, they

535
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 2: be naming each other after each other, it's crazy. The

536
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 2: Jamie the Lynn, the Jamie Lynn y shit. Listen, I

537
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 2: started talking. I'm not started to get a little bit.

538
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 1: Can't would, honey, can't would? I said Brentwood. We got

539
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,479
Speaker 1: Jamie Lynn and Jamie Lynn party of three. Brittany's at

540
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 1: home like slaving away on the VMAs.

541
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 2: But like the way that Brittany writes about Jamie Lynn,

542
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 2: like behaving in these kind of incompassionate ways, lack of

543
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,160
Speaker 2: a better word, like that's also very generous.

544
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,719
Speaker 1: I think here's the thing. It feels like this is

545
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: so weird, but like she has nothing to lose, so

546
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 1: this is all her honest account and therefore it's just

547
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: like taking it at face value. Like I don't know

548
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 1: what it was. But there was a couple moments where

549
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 1: like I was listening to this and I was just

550
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: so fearing me too, because I just feel like, had

551
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 1: the public because I understand the public is complicent in

552
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,239
Speaker 1: a lot of this, I really do, but had we

553
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 1: actually had an understanding of what her reality was that

554
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 1: she couldn't pick out what food she wanted to eat,

555
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,400
Speaker 1: that she had to write down when she was going

556
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 1: to the bathroom, that she was forced to have a pain,

557
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:42,159
Speaker 1: forget about the conservatorship, that abortion she was I'm sorry,

558
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 1: but forced to endure. My shoulders were in my ears,

559
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: and I was just like, God, I just wish that

560
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: it was made clear this person was suffering, like because

561
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,400
Speaker 1: you have to imagine that we all would have been

562
00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 1: like hey stop, But also would we have I don't know.

563
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 1: It's like one of those hard when it's hard.

564
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 2: When you have a journalist and I'm sorry to bring

565
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 2: her into this, when you have a journalists like Diane Sawyer,

566
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 2: like one of the top journalists in this country interviewing

567
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 2: room and literally asking her what did you do to him?

568
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 1: Yeah?

569
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 2: Like that says it all. It's like you must have

570
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 2: done something to upset this amazing boy that America loves

571
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 2: and we don't care if you're going to burst out

572
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 2: into tears in the next two seconds, Like I didn't.

573
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 2: The whole thing being in her own house, like on

574
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,120
Speaker 2: her couch, when she describes that couch that she still has,

575
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 2: and like that couch was like her sanctuary. Yeah, in

576
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 2: her house in New York. I think, or was it

577
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 2: all right? It doesn't matter, but that felt. So that's

578
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 2: a detail that like really drives home how invasive that

579
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 2: specific interview was, where like Jamie spears the dad being like,

580
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 2: you're doing this interview.

581
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:48,719
Speaker 1: No one's heard from you.

582
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 2: You're doing this interview, and then fully is blindsided and

583
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 2: then is humiliated.

584
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: And I guess, like what makes it even worse is

585
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: I think I didn't realize just how devastated and heartbroken

586
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: she by that relationship. Yeah, for some reason, the reveal

587
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: that they had lived together was a surprise to me.

588
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: That they lived together in Orlando, so understanding just how

589
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 1: badly she was doing it, she truly had like a

590
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 1: heartbreak related full blown depression, like she describes not being

591
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: able to get out of better eat and like, you know,

592
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 1: every day was a struggle. And then for her, you

593
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: have to think, like it's almost been a plan from

594
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: the beginning on her father's part to just keep this

595
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: grow as fucking weak as possible so he could control

596
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 1: her every move, so he could control her every dollar. Otherwise,

597
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 1: why would you make your daughter do that? Why would

598
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: you want to break her? That's I guess the really

599
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 1: tough thing is, it's just what makes a parent it's

600
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: capable of wanting to break your child? Like, what makes

601
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: a parent capable of that? Yeah, I don't get it.

602
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 2: And look, we have talked about how she like gives

603
00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 2: some lineage to like his totally or whatever. But like

604
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 2: I was at various points, I was like, no, what

605
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 2: it really is, like, how dare you, mister Spears, you had.

606
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 1: How dare you you had me fooled? Then you too,

607
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 1: miss Spears? Death to all of them. It's hard not

608
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: to agree.

609
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 2: Sometimes you are like death to all of them.

610
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: And here's the thing, actually, though, this is interesting because

611
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: I was thinking to myself, like, so this book comes

612
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 1: out obviously justin Timberlake is getting absolutely dragged. My thing

613
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 1: is like.

614
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 2: He's turned his comments off.

615
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't even know if he's like I

616
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: don't think he's ever trying again, guys, I mean like

617
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: I think he's a rap And I was thinking to myself,

618
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: like how much forgiveness is he do? And I think

619
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: the answer is he is due forgiveness, because I mean,

620
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: that's what she says. But the fact is, like she

621
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: also has to tell her story. I think it's really

622
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 1: important that we hear this. And I think it's one

623
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 1: of those things where it's like even if in the

624
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: years past and I don't know this, and I don't

625
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: I don't ever really hear anything about justin any way,

626
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: like even if in the years past he's totally changed,

627
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: Like this story has to get fucking told one thousand persons,

628
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: like and it's rough to see because of course the

629
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,959
Speaker 1: internet like reads something and then it's just like a

630
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: full on like I can't even imagine what's going on

631
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: in the minds of like people that are in this book,

632
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: Like right, imagine being Christina Aguilera and you're barely mentioned

633
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: the two lines about her in this star. I could

634
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 1: tell she was pretty messed up.

635
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 2: Oh no, but I messed up asn't like she was drunk.

636
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like I mean, just like there was me

637
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: and a girl in Christina Aguilera. Christina Aguilera did some

638
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: weird shit with Justin on the cover of a magazine.

639
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: I thought that was weird. Christina Aguilera seems very comfortable

640
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 1: on television and one time my stow Christina Aguilera at

641
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 1: a party and she was messed up. That's so interesting.

642
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: I thought that the mentions of Christina were like, okay,

643
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: like we've acknowledged that, like she was in the circle

644
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: or whatever, not in the circle, but she was like

645
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: had made appearances or whatever.

646
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, the years, I thought it was fine.

647
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: I thought it was you know what. I just thought

648
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: it was funny that she was like glazed over. I'm

649
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 1: sure she doesn't care. I'm sure she's thankful. Yeah, yes,

650
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: but Justin has to be feeling some type of way.

651
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: And it's like, yeah, but I mean, but there's for

652
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: years your karma was it was such a bent thing,

653
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: like he was flying high for such a long time,

654
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: and the fact is he caused a lot of harm

655
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: and she needs to be able to tell her story

656
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: because of what was taken from her one.

657
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 2: I mean, my blood went cold when when she describes

658
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 2: kissing him for the first time and they were young

659
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 2: and a Janet Jacksonson was playing in the background.

660
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: You missed that part. I guess I didn't.

661
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like when they were in the Nickmause club.

662
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: And whoa, he was her first kiss and a Janet

663
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: Jacksonson was playing like that is out of a fucking movie.

664
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: Twilight's on tower, Twilight's on Tower of Terror and the

665
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: second we're gonna drop that gives me the hegb's pressure.

666
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:45,959
Speaker 1: And then yeah, you bring up the Janet thing too,

667
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 1: and it's just like, you know what, take a break, dude,

668
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: like you've gotten away with murder.

669
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 2: I think you don't think he's gonna try again. I think, like,

670
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 2: isn't the whole en Sync thing still happening? Like they're

671
00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 2: gonna like care, does anyone care? Do no one cares?

672
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: I think no one cares.

673
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 2: They can't even go on hot ones and like make

674
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 2: any noise. You know what I'm saying, Babe. I watch

675
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 2: every hot ones. I did not watch hot hot ones.

676
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 2: I've watched the Cardi b one probably six times.

677
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: Oh that's a good one. I have not watched the

678
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: Instinct hot ones, and I won't be I don't want

679
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: to watch them try hot wings. Here's the thing. When

680
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: InSync goes on hot ones, it becomes these dudes trying

681
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: hot wings. When Cardi B goes on hot ones, it

682
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: becomes Cardi B on hot ones.

683
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 2: Well it's just there's something so not watching them eat

684
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 2: dissonant and scary about like this new thing hot ones

685
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 2: trying to bend itself to Like I guess give a

686
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 2: tiny two second platform to these five guys who, like

687
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 2: we were all obsessed with back in the day, sure,

688
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 2: but like who were literally a flash in the pan,

689
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 2: like as soon.

690
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 1: As it was done, it was done, done done. But boo,

691
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 1: it's like what we say, like after every ten to

692
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: fifteen years, like rotate out, no more fame, just like

693
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: get new famous people after ten fifteen years, because guess what,

694
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: you become fucking dated and you become not helpful. And

695
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: I almost don't want to say this. Before we got

696
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,879
Speaker 1: on the mic, Bowen and I got information and I'm

697
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 1: not saying anyone's names, and I would never do this,

698
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: but we got information that a certain actor is gay,

699
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, have we learned nothing? Can I

700
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 1: say this? I'm just what I think everyone in Hollywood

701
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: is gay except bad Affleck. Ben Affleck is the only

702
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 1: straight man in Hollywood. The rest of you, including us

703
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 1: are gay, and I feel like the fact that you

704
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 1: don't say it is weak shit. Just say it, and

705
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 1: it's not even just say it like everyone has to

706
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 1: come out with their sexuality. It's not like that. It's

707
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:50,280
Speaker 1: just like people that are actively playing in our face

708
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:55,479
Speaker 1: with these sham marriages. You are a problem. Don't say

709
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 1: anything at all or be real, but don't play in

710
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: our face. Don't come out with a fake relationship. And also,

711
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,760
Speaker 1: you know what, you guys know who I'm talking about,

712
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,399
Speaker 1: Like I'll never say it, but intrinsically, even if it's

713
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 1: not the person I'm thinking of, you know who I'm.

714
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 2: You know, and it might not even be the peron. Yeah,

715
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 2: it might not even be the person that you are

716
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 2: actually talking.

717
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: Whoever it is to you, you know who I'm talking about.

718
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: And you're right, and you're right, and they are playing

719
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: in your face. You're all gay except Ben Affleck. Ben Affleck,

720
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 1: I think that you definitely are straight, dude. I think

721
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: you are nailing Jennifer Lopez. I actually applaud you guys

722
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: for how straight you are.

723
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 2: No, that's yeah, they are one thousand percent.

724
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,720
Speaker 1: They are so straight. I'm like, they are so straight.

725
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 1: Him powering up on his duncan going home to his

726
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: absolutely stunning wife and she says, Babe, fuck me again

727
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: like you did this morning. He says, yes, Jennifer Lopez,

728
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:57,320
Speaker 1: I will and they never have a problem.

729
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 2: That's beautiful. I celebrate every part of that. That is

730
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,879
Speaker 2: something that I cannot turn my nose at that.

731
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? And the rest of

732
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: them are getting it into, but they're getting it in

733
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: with each other. Yes, and they're queers and it will

734
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 1: be fine. And it almost feels like we came out

735
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 1: and we did it, and we have to have this

736
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 1: thing of like, oh, they're gay actors. I meanwhile, they're

737
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: all gay. They're just liars and we're not. They just

738
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 1: never had to play assistance exactly. That's it. They have

739
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: to live with some amount of torture. Though I would

740
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: never want to be them. I would never want to

741
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: be And this is the thing, is like I'm not

742
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: even angry at them. I'm frustrated with them, and I'm

743
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: frustrated with the system because I think they are unhappy

744
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 1: for no fucking reasons. Exactly, for no fucking reason I have.

745
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: Can I be honesty zone? Honesty zone?

746
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 2: Sure, of course, no one should come out of the

747
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 2: closet until it's safe and they feel empowered to do so.

748
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,399
Speaker 2: And maybe I say this to someone who was kind

749
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 2: of dragged out of the closet, But I'm like, we

750
00:36:56,080 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 2: can promise you with almost full certainty that like you'll

751
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 2: just be happier, yet one hundred percent, you know, I'm

752
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:05,720
Speaker 2: not willing to go so far as to generalize for everybody,

753
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,359
Speaker 2: but like, that's just how I feel about the whole

754
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,399
Speaker 2: thing in journal. It doesn't matter if you're an alist star,

755
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 2: as long as with the second you feel safe and

756
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 2: that your fears are actually you realize that your fears

757
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 2: about it are irrational.

758
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: Just do it. I think that they think that they

759
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 1: maybe they're the kind of person that thinks this actually

760
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 1: is what's going to make me happy, and maybe it does,

761
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Maybe it's fine for them

762
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: to be like playing off a certain image to the

763
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 1: world so they can succeed, or like certain like images

764
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 1: of what is successful and masculine can be upheld. I

765
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 1: get that, and I want to be like, they'll be

766
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 1: so much happier. No, maybe they are the kind of

767
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: person that this actually fulfills them, And I don't really

768
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: want to know those people, and I don't really want

769
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 1: to like be one of those people, but it could

770
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: just be that this works for them, and that makes

771
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 1: me feel crazy. That's why when we had our ninety

772
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: second Street why, I was like, it's so weird to

773
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 1: be in an industry and want to succeed in an

774
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 1: industry have so much, so many problems.

775
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 2: With you know, what, are you trying to uphold masculinity?

776
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 2: There is no real version of that. The version of

777
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 2: masculinity in the weird like the index of masculinity and

778
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 2: the year twenty twenty three is like Joe Rogan, It's like,

779
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 2: it's never going to be like an A List actor

780
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 2: right anymore?

781
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: Dirrec exactly. I feel like the bubbles burst on that, right.

782
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: So when you are in full makeup and we're to

783
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:36,800
Speaker 1: believe that you're actually married to Xyz actress, it's like, dude,

784
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 1: it's just kind of pathetic. And again I understand. I

785
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: get it because like a lot of these people are

786
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: like I mean, even in our generation, I feel like

787
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 1: those people that still like struggle with this, and I

788
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 1: feel like I'm coming down hard on me and I'm

789
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,240
Speaker 1: trying to like for communic effect to be like Lol.

790
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 1: Fuck these guys like I get it. I'm just saying

791
00:38:55,880 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 1: we get it. It's frustrating to see that image projected

792
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: out into America and the world because it's just like

793
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: that's not healthy. Like no one thinks it's healthy. No,

794
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 1: No one's like, God, keep it up. Yeah, and this

795
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: is gonna actually connect my thoughts to the Bravo thing

796
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 1: that came out. I just hate like when we pretend

797
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: this industry is not what it is, you know what

798
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 1: I mean, Like, it's not honest, it's not something where

799
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 1: images aren't distorted.

800
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 2: It's I just feel like your image gets distorted in

801
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 2: any medium. There is a refractive index to any single

802
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 2: means of transmission period. You get distorted on Instagram, yes,

803
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 2: like on your own social media. It's like there's something

804
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 2: exploitative about any broadcasting channel.

805
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,879
Speaker 1: And so I was reading this article, and for those

806
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 1: of you who may not know, I was reading this

807
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: article in Vanity Fair, which we had been told was coming.

808
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: Like for full disclosure, I have not read it yet. Yeah,

809
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: I read it, Okay, So basically like it's Bethany Frankel's

810
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,720
Speaker 1: Big Swing at Bravo, and it's basically broken into three parts.

811
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: One is Bethany, one is Leah, and one is Ebany K. Williams,

812
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: And I actually think the article has a lot of

813
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: interesting things to say, and to hear the perspective of

814
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 1: Ebony K. Williams, I think is important.

815
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,800
Speaker 2: I've read the big takeaways about Ebane's whole journey with

816
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 2: Bravo and it's really upsetting, right.

817
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 1: And so basically I think that there should have been

818
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: a completely separate article which was this story, because there's

819
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 1: something to say here. And I think that by the way,

820
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 1: Ebony K. Williams in this article is quoted as saying,

821
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 1: fuck Bethany Frankel, like she I think is probably going

822
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,320
Speaker 1: to be disappointed, or maybe not disappointed, maybe she's just

823
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 1: used to this shit, but it will be disappointing for

824
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: me if I were Ebony and I had told my

825
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 1: story and what I experienced and trying to deal with Ramona,

826
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: and I was in the Vanity Fair piece and it

827
00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: was the fucking Bethany Frankel Housewives play book Inside Baseball

828
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: engineered puff piece for her, which by the way, is

829
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,879
Speaker 1: written by an admitted fan of the franchise. And I'm

830
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: going to assume it's New York because only New York

831
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 1: How's Wives went on record for this, but basically, it's

832
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: like Ebanie has real things to say about the way

833
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: that the situation with Ramona's racism went down, about the

834
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: way it was communicated, about the fact that Ramona still

835
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 1: has a job on Ultimate Girl's Trip, and I think

836
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: that there's a lot in that story which is important

837
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: and should be heard. And it includes a black female

838
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: producer saying that she experienced Ramona using the N word,

839
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: not at her, but around her, and it's very frustrating

840
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: the fact that Ramona is still working there for these

841
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 1: people like that there's something really important there, and I

842
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: think it diminishes that story to have it couched with

843
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 1: these accounts by Bethany and Leah Bethany which seems very

844
00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 1: baldly personal against Andy Cohen. I feel that she for

845
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,800
Speaker 1: some reason has like a personal vendetta against him, and

846
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 1: like it really feels that way, and it reeks of

847
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: that because there's nothing really to be said about her

848
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 1: experience outside of her saying that it's her penance to

849
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:16,399
Speaker 1: do this now, which feels convenient. And then Leah, who

850
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: I like personally. I've talked to Leah before, but she

851
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 1: just seems like someone who should not have been on

852
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 1: reality television and was not well suited to that medium.

853
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: She admittedly relapsed right before she started filming and told

854
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 1: the producers that it was fine that she was drinking

855
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: and that when alcohol was around, she participated in it.

856
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 1: And she basically had that a continued relapse on television,

857
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 1: and then when it finally ended, what she's saying is

858
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: like the viewers and the producers felt she was more

859
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 1: boring and they didn't have as much use for her. Meanwhile,

860
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 1: it's like, we see these housewives go on sober journeys

861
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:58,879
Speaker 1: all the time on these shows. I really started reading

862
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,800
Speaker 1: it with the intent to keep checking myself. I was like,

863
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: I know, I'm a fan of the show. I'm gonna

864
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: try to go in with an open mind to see

865
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: if there's anything these women have to really say. I'm sorry,

866
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 1: but where is the misconduct in Bethany and Lea's stories.

867
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 1: I'm not seeing it. Well, what was like the the

868
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 1: union angle on the piece? To be honest with you,

869
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: it's kind of unclear. It's like, and that's what I

870
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: mean when I say it feels like it's more personal

871
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 1: because it's like there's not really in the article this

872
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,919
Speaker 1: like spelling out of ways in which they want things

873
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: to change. There's there's no like collective action there, because

874
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously you and I are pro union. But

875
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 1: anytime I've read things about what Bethany's trying to accomplish,

876
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: I go, I'm not connecting to like what about like

877
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 1: collective power and bargaining like play into this whole Bravo world.

878
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,959
Speaker 1: I have never bought about Bethany Frankel that her next

879
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 1: act is like Champion of the People. I've just never

880
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 1: bought that about her, Like, I don't. I think maybe

881
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 1: that's what she thinks will work for her, or what

882
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 1: she thinks that we want to see from her. But like,

883
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: I've just never bought that there was anything in the

884
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:12,240
Speaker 1: stuff that she does that wasn't personally motivated. I just don't.

885
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: I think that she's a stunt queen. I think she

886
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: wanted this out before Bravo Khan and before all these

887
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: premieres this week because Bravos having like a big week

888
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 1: right now, and I think that like there's a lot

889
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 1: of eyes on reality because script it has to come

890
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:26,320
Speaker 1: to a standstill, and she knows she can get a

891
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: lot of attention for this, but she's not really saying

892
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 1: anything because they try to frame like, for example, when

893
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 1: they go on vacation and the house is stocked with alcohol,

894
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:42,359
Speaker 1: they try to frame that like the producers and Andy

895
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 1: Cohen are somehow applying these women with alcohol. I'm sorry,

896
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: but like that's what a vacation is. You go to

897
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: the house and there's alcohol there. You then make your

898
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 1: decisions about how you behave and what you can handle.

899
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 1: If you cannot be in control of those decisions, not

900
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,800
Speaker 1: only should you in that environment, but you certainly shouldn't

901
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 1: be televised in that environment. These women need better lawyers

902
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: and better people around them to help them make decisions

903
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 1: if they are not equipped to be in these circumstances.

904
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 2: What was there anything in the article about how like

905
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:15,320
Speaker 2: there was pressure from producers.

906
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: To get them to drink. There's these vague allusions to

907
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 1: like Leah talks about how Andy I suppose asked did

908
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: you have a relapse on camera and she said no,

909
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: I relapsed shortly before. And then she claims that he

910
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: looked disappointed, And I'm thinking, Okay, the assumption here is

911
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: that he looked disappointed because you didn't relapse on camera.

912
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: Is it possible he's disappointed that you really at all.

913
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 1: It's just these like very vague, open ended assertions in

914
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: the article and no real statement of misconduct outside of

915
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: the ebony stuff, which I think sucks because the ebony

916
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 1: stuff holds something. There's something there, yeah, yeah, whereas like

917
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 1: there's they're there with the Bethany thing. The way this

918
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 1: is being gone about.

919
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 2: I'm sorry I'm using the passive voice here, but like

920
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 2: Bethany's involvement and this is complicated because it can only

921
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:12,479
Speaker 2: be perceived as personal against Dandy.

922
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's true.

923
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 2: I don't know, and there's nothing wrong with that in

924
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 2: terms of like a union effort. But it's just like I,

925
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 2: as a reader of this piece in the future, will

926
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 2: I'll have to like parse that out and separate that

927
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 2: from this narrative that's already been like worked into the

928
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 2: medium that is reality television, which is platformed on Bravo,

929
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 2: which is like that's the delivery system, and it's so

930
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 2: it's like, well, how do we fix that system while

931
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 2: also trying to make this better for it?

932
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 1: Like let's get so tangled up. And I think the

933
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 1: reason that that's also true is because it's also become

934
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: part of this other macro thing in our culture, which

935
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 1: is capital T, capital P, the takedown piece, you know

936
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's like I know if this was

937
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 1: gonna come out, and I, like I said, I started

938
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,760
Speaker 1: reading this being like, let's see, is there something harmful

939
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 1: about this? Because if there is, we should know. And

940
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 1: what I'm seeing when I read the piece is yeah,

941
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: alcoholism is really rough. It is tough. It is a disease.

942
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 1: It's tough. But I almost feel like, where is the

943
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 1: piece about the NFL and the fact that how that

944
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 1: is like alcohol culture and like you know, if you

945
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 1: macro zoom out and you look at that, like you

946
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 1: could take it apart. Where is the piece about like

947
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 1: any part of this business that like is actually fucked up.

948
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 2: We're not discussing this in terms of like, oh, like

949
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 2: these shouldn't exist, like they should have done a better job,

950
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 2: Like they didn't do what they sit out to do.

951
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 2: We're just saying that, like it diminishes this impact overall,

952
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 2: and it makes it hard for us as an audience,

953
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 2: as a readership to like have an expectation for like

954
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 2: what should happen next?

955
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,800
Speaker 1: Right, because the way that Bethany is like posed on

956
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:02,240
Speaker 1: the cover of Vanity Fail, this science can be saying nothing.

957
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, this actually takes the wind out of other pieces,

958
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 1: sales and other journalists who actually have things to say

959
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 1: about people who are actually in trouble in places in

960
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 1: this business. And when the journalism is this soft and

961
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,959
Speaker 1: this shitty, it makes it harder for people who really

962
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:23,320
Speaker 1: need voices heard to be heard. Because if I'm to

963
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 1: read this piece, then like there's a lot going on

964
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 1: in in the ebony aspect, and like there's just not enough.

965
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 1: And I really I think it's frustrating because it's like

966
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: it to me reeks, like it's so playbook to have

967
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 1: just come out before BRAVOCN and like it's just I

968
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: just don't at all.

969
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 2: It's like these deadlines are probably they're not helping, you

970
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 2: know what I mean. It's like they needed this to

971
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 2: go out before bravocon, which meant that like it was

972
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 2: maybe under reported, under researched or something, yeah, or like

973
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 2: under evaluated on an editorial level where they go, what

974
00:48:58,719 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 2: are we trying to say here?

975
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 1: Right? Yeah, because it did seem confused to me at

976
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,359
Speaker 1: the end. It also felt confusing to me for them

977
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 1: to admittedly say the writer of the piece was a

978
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: fan of the show. So that's that's a huge red flash,

979
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 1: right right, Like it just feels like that doesn't feel

980
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 1: objective to me, and it shouldn't that be the point.

981
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 2: I feel like Bradley Jackson an episode one of The

982
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 2: Morning Show exactly, or I feel like Alex Levy to

983
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,240
Speaker 2: be honest, like, well, why are you the story?

984
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: Let's talk t s TV one nine eight nine, Okay,

985
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: let's do it. You scared?

986
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 2: I'm not scared. I actually think there's a pretty general

987
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:47,320
Speaker 2: consensus about ts TV, which is which is there's some

988
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 2: confusion about the vault tracks. One To me personally, I've

989
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 2: only given them one listen yeah wow, and everything except slut.

990
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, this was written for midnights? Do you think so?

991
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: I think that you could be right about that. I

992
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: think that if it was written back then, I think

993
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 1: it's certainly produced in a very midnight sy way. I'm

994
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: sure sure then I will grant that. I think I'm

995
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 1: in the majority here when I say and also, I

996
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:16,360
Speaker 1: don't want to hear it because every single time she

997
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: releases an album, I praise up and down, like, yes,

998
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 1: I think I've been I've always aired on the side.

999
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: It is extremely enthusiastic about everything she's been releasing.

1000
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:26,959
Speaker 2: When do you get to talk about Speaking Now TV?

1001
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 2: I think that is hugely underrated.

1002
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 1: Great. The Vault tracks are spectacular and they feel like

1003
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 1: Speak Now valltracks? Do they feel like Speak Now Vault tracks? Undeniably.

1004
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 2: I think her vocal choices on the re Records are

1005
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 2: very interesting, and I like that she's leaning into how

1006
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 2: she's aged, you know, as a vocalist, aged as in

1007
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 2: like texturized herself vocully in the year since were you

1008
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 2: about to say something about, Well, what I.

1009
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,439
Speaker 1: Think is that some of these Vault tracks are really

1010
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: really good. Yes, I love it over yet I actually

1011
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 1: think for me, I think the standout is now that

1012
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:03,879
Speaker 1: we Don't Talk. I love now that we don't talk.

1013
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:07,320
Speaker 1: It slut is good. I mean, say Don't Go is

1014
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. It's very Diane Warren. I love

1015
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:12,760
Speaker 1: hearing that on Taylor like I feel like arranged differently,

1016
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 1: it could be a really fun song sung by a

1017
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 1: different vocalist, too, fun song the re Records mm hmmm.

1018
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 1: And it brings us no pleasure to say that it

1019
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 1: feels that didn't it feels like she chopped it up.

1020
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 1: I don't think she gave a shit or I just

1021
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 1: don't think she likes this producer that did a lot

1022
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 1: of it. I know. I think the Jack tracks fare

1023
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 1: a lot better. The Jack tracks sound great. Out of

1024
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 1: the Wood sounds great. Yeah, I think she does some

1025
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 1: interesting things on Out of the Woods for sure. I

1026
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 1: wish you would. I like to wish you would a lot.

1027
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 1: I like I wish you it a lot. And like

1028
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 1: if you were to look at the tweets about the

1029
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 1: Style rerecord, you would think they were hyperbolic. Whoa, I

1030
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:57,320
Speaker 1: think this is like hyperbolically harsh. They are not. I

1031
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: think I think the Style rerecord is that bad. She

1032
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:03,839
Speaker 1: sounds like she's not even thinking about the words when

1033
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 1: she sings it. And all I have had to say

1034
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 1: about her recently as a vocalist is how great I

1035
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,760
Speaker 1: think she is. That is, without question, she's so amazing

1036
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 1: in concert. Just something didn't happen on the nineteen eighty

1037
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 1: nine Vault tracks like Whoo, the wild tracks of the records, No,

1038
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 1: the re records, I mean sorry, blank space again, there's

1039
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 1: none of the personality in it. Maybe she was just

1040
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 1: really in this specific bag when she was recording the

1041
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty nine originally, but she sounded like she had

1042
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 1: other things on her mind. Yeah, on this on these

1043
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 1: new rerecorded versions, largely it's usually the track that this guy,

1044
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:41,919
Speaker 1: Christopher Rowe produced. I don't think they did great work

1045
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 1: together on this.

1046
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 2: It's funny because on I think This Love and Wiless Dreams,

1047
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 2: if we're the ones that she released like way in advance,

1048
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 2: like years ago, she really is Wildless Dreams TV in

1049
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 2: This Love. I was like, these sound very promising. I

1050
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 2: mean while this Dream slaps compared to the other ones.

1051
00:52:58,320 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.

1052
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 2: Like I wonder what the timeline was for the re

1053
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 2: records and all this stuff. There is something that's not

1054
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 2: There's no connective tissue here in terms of like where

1055
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 2: she was at whatever that means. Yeah, Like as she

1056
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:15,359
Speaker 2: was doing this like I would speak now with Red

1057
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 2: with Fearless, like it's like there is this nice cohesion

1058
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:22,800
Speaker 2: there throughout each album, going into the VALLT tracks especially,

1059
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 2: and I feel like there's such a distinct break after

1060
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 2: after New Romantics. You're just like this is a different

1061
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 2: thing sonically, which is fine. Problem of course, these are

1062
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 2: like cutting room floor tracks. Yeah, but I can't help

1063
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:39,800
Speaker 2: it be like this was written in twenty ye twenty

1064
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 2: one for Midnight.

1065
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? Yes, I totally get

1066
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 1: what you mean, whether or not that's true. Certainly, it

1067
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 1: felt like they didn't care as much about making it

1068
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: feel like nineteen eighty nine as much as they did

1069
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 1: on Certainly Fearless, Uh huh, definitely Red. Definitely read and

1070
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 1: Speak Now. That's what I really enjoyed about all those

1071
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 1: vaultracks because I was like, Wow, this feels like she's

1072
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 1: making a song like I can see you Like. I

1073
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 1: don't know if I listen to it every single day

1074
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 1: for the rest of my life, but it feels like

1075
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 1: I speak now track.

1076
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 2: When mfol is in love. Yes, definitely speak down track,

1077
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 2: and it's so lovely. I mean, there's nothing bad about

1078
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 2: these Vault tracks on nineteen eighty nine. It's just I,

1079
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 2: for some reason, I'm not sold on them being originally

1080
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 2: written for this album. That's my conspiracy.

1081
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I feel like I do agree with you.

1082
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:29,759
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm less hard on that because to me,

1083
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 1: what I'm like struggling are the re records, and because ostensibly,

1084
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 1: if they's supposed to be the versions that we're supposed

1085
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 1: to listen to now instead of the old ones. I

1086
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:42,400
Speaker 1: don't want to listen to this new version of style.

1087
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 1: I want the old version of style. I want the

1088
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 1: old like space, And I feel like most people are

1089
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 1: going to listen to both and be like, you guys

1090
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 1: are fucking crazy. They sound the same.

1091
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 2: But there's something I'm sure I'm sure people. I'm sure

1092
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 2: a decent amount of people will actually agree with that.

1093
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 1: Yeh, she just sounds she doesn't sound in it on

1094
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 1: these rerecords, and I'm fucking obsessed with I saw the

1095
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:03,359
Speaker 1: show four times. I've seen the movie twice. You let

1096
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 1: a movie this weekend. I saw the movie on Halloween

1097
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 1: instead of doing Halloween. Like That's that's who I am

1098
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 1: and where I'm at, Like, I don't want to come

1099
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 1: on here and be like the nineteen eighty nine re

1100
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 1: record didn't give.

1101
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 2: If you heard the rumor what that Ari's working with

1102
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 2: Max on her on Agy.

1103
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,839
Speaker 1: Seven, babe? Is that a rumor? Or? Are you spelling tea?

1104
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 1: I'm not spelling tea. I'm just reading what pop Crave

1105
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 1: is being. So you so you're telling me that you

1106
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:27,879
Speaker 1: went on pop Crave. You Boning went on pop Crave

1107
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 1: and thought there was a report from pop Grave and

1108
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:33,280
Speaker 1: you didn't text your girl. I am not gonna bother

1109
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 1: her with trifling things such as this triveling things.

1110
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 2: It's not trifling things. I'm just like, I respect what

1111
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,479
Speaker 2: she has with the way she engages with her music

1112
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 2: and her songwriting process, and I'm like, I'm not gonna

1113
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 2: be like a stand and be like so like, yeah,

1114
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 2: when's this coming? Like I like that is she She

1115
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 2: is in such an exploratory phase right now where I

1116
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 2: don't need to be like, oh, that's exciting, do you

1117
00:55:57,719 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 2: know what I mean. I'm like, I'm not gonna like

1118
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:02,959
Speaker 2: bother you about this, Like whatever you like, You're gonna

1119
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 2: go splunking into the cave, and then whatever you come

1120
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:09,840
Speaker 2: out with, we will pop carnage, we will gag, do

1121
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 2: you know what i mean? Like, this is a very

1122
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 2: exciting thing for me personally. I'm just like, whatever this

1123
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 2: girl is gonna is about to give with Max Martin,

1124
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:21,280
Speaker 2: I'm like, it will be fucking amazing.

1125
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 1: I mean, even just hearing Brittany you talk about Max

1126
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:26,800
Speaker 1: Martin and you realize how long this has been the

1127
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 1: dep of the doll.

1128
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 2: What else does a cultural topic. Well, Wicked twenty to all,

1129
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 2: everybody's been in Alphabe and Glenda, haven't they? But you

1130
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:49,399
Speaker 2: know what, it is one of those things where you think,

1131
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 2: like Wicked really gagged the girls literally because it was

1132
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:57,400
Speaker 2: like everyone before the show is like, there's no reason

1133
00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:00,399
Speaker 2: why a Broadway show with two female leads should go up. Wow,

1134
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 2: isn't that insane? And before like that wasn't a thing.

1135
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 1: M crazy? Yeah, I mean it like it really has

1136
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 1: launched so many careers. Oh absolutely, I mean I'm gonna

1137
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 1: go back on my thing about the DeLorean. I would

1138
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 1: love to DeLorean go back in time and see Adina

1139
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 1: and Kristen. And now you know what I would not do.

1140
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 1: I would not yell at that teacher thank you, because

1141
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to. She's my lot, just because she

1142
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 1: was giving you some adversity. I think you grew from

1143
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 1: the adversity. I think I grew, grew and grew. Wait

1144
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 1: what you forgot? Something rest than piece? Matthew Perry. This

1145
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 1: was awful. This was awful. And this is that also

1146
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 1: had me thinking about like alcoholism and how difficult it is,

1147
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 1: because it seemed like he really fucking struggled and they

1148
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 1: haven't announced, you know, the cause of death or anything,

1149
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 1: but I just know how difficult he had it, and

1150
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 1: my heart just goes out so funny.

1151
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 2: I ran into someone on the train and I was

1152
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 2: listening to the Brittany audio book Finally Enough, and he

1153
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 2: was like, are you listening to it? I was like yeah,

1154
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 2: and he goes no, like I've been on a celebrity

1155
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 2: memoir kick. This was on like Tuesday, so it was

1156
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 2: like essentially hours before, not hours before, like days, but

1157
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 2: like still, it was so such a strange thing. He's

1158
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 2: like the Matthew Perry book.

1159
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:14,440
Speaker 1: I was like, oh really.

1160
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 2: He was like I knew he was struggling, but like,

1161
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 2: I guess I haven't like looked into like how intense

1162
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 2: that was. He was like, no, it's like he talks

1163
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 2: about how like season three of Your Friends he was

1164
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 2: on like twenty vik it in a day, Like it

1165
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 2: was really hard for him and it's so tragic and

1166
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 2: and look shout out to Mindy Tucker, who today on

1167
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 2: Instagram went on a really well informed thing about how

1168
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 2: like let's just really be careful going into the water

1169
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 2: at all alone.

1170
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, at any age.

1171
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 2: But especially as you're older. But like especially in hot tubs.

1172
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 2: Hot tubs are actually high key kind of dangerous, especially

1173
00:58:57,680 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 2: if you're alone, especially if you have a heart prop

1174
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 2: that you don't know about. Just if you're alone, it's

1175
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 2: just like it's not the safest place to be in correct.

1176
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 2: So that's that's really important that I feel like we

1177
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 2: often think that we we take for granted, I think

1178
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 2: are like vulnerability and humanity. Sometimes it's like, you know,

1179
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 2: we're human beings. We get into situations where our bodies

1180
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 2: get overwhelmed sometimes like we can't handle certain things.

1181
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 1: Like it just it is a reminder to be even

1182
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 1: more careful. That is so useful and true, And unfortunately,

1183
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 1: I wish it didn't have to take tragedies like this

1184
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:38,440
Speaker 1: for us to tell each other to like take care

1185
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 1: of ourselves. And you know, obviously I feel badly even

1186
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 1: jumping into the narrative that like there must have been

1187
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 1: something that went wrong, but he was so public about

1188
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 1: his struggles with alcoholism that like, unfortunately, like the mention

1189
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 1: of his death at an early age just bring up

1190
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 1: questions about this and it is really fucking hard. And

1191
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 1: what I thought was at least a comfort in the

1192
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 1: last day or so, was there was a quote that

1193
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 1: was resurfacing that he said, which was, I might be

1194
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 1: a lot of things, but I am absolutely, one hundred

1195
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 1: percent a person who helps someone when they say they're

1196
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 1: struggling with what I'm struggling with. Like, even if I

1197
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 1: can't help myself, which I often can't, I am the

1198
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 1: person who every single time someone reaches out to me

1199
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 1: and they have a problem or they have something I'm

1200
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 1: going through related to alcohol or drugs, I point them

1201
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 1: in the right direction. So that is something I can

1202
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 1: say about myself. And I'm sure I'll be best known

1203
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 1: for Friends and this television show and this character that

1204
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 1: I played, but it would be nice if people could

1205
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 1: also remember that too. And he said something like, I

1206
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 1: know that won't happen, but that would be my wish.

1207
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 1: So I saw a bunch of people sharing that I

1208
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 1: shared that, and you know, he obviously was an incredibly

1209
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 1: talented and charismatic actor and a part of TV history,

1210
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:54,920
Speaker 1: but he was also like a human being who struggled,

1211
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 1: and the fact that he wanted that to be true,

1212
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 1: I think is something that we can all help him accomplish.

1213
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:07,240
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I just can't believe we've hit the point where,

1214
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 2: like someone on the Friends cast has pass.

1215
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 1: Isn't that fucking crazy? Obviously, like they only played that

1216
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 1: close to friends on TV, But I did think of them.

1217
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 1: I thought, like, I wonder how they're all, you know,

1218
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 1: feeling and it's just so difficult then obviously triggering when

1219
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 1: anyone is publicly struggling with something that I think we

1220
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:30,919
Speaker 1: all know someone who has been, especially as we get older,

1221
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, I think that we're

1222
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:33,720
Speaker 1: all realizing, like.

1223
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 2: Well, just how it is you and I are hearting

1224
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 2: an age now where it's like, oh, this is when

1225
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:42,200
Speaker 2: people that we know who are around our age start

1226
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:43,200
Speaker 2: to realize stuff.

1227
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, isn't that interesting. It's that actually, you know what.

1228
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:50,000
Speaker 1: I even had therapy today and I talked about it today,

1229
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 1: like I not necessarily in the context of anyone, but

1230
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 1: it's just in the context of myself. I was like,

1231
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 1: I was thinking, like, you know, I was in the

1232
01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 1: shower earlier, and I think I was thinking about maths,

1233
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 1: you know, some other people in my life, and I

1234
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:05,240
Speaker 1: was thinking it would be hard for me to just

1235
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:09,000
Speaker 1: stop drinking. And I don't even have that thing within

1236
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:12,080
Speaker 1: me that begs me to drink again. Like I'm just

1237
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 1: saying socially, like in terms of how we live our lives.

1238
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:16,560
Speaker 1: It would be hard for me to say I'm not

1239
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:19,640
Speaker 1: drinking anymore, and I'm not. I'm not even someone who's sick.

1240
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 1: So I can't even imagine.

1241
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:25,360
Speaker 2: That's why I like, I never it never surprises me

1242
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:28,280
Speaker 2: or it never like shocks me when people like take

1243
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 2: a long time to understand that they have a problem

1244
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:33,640
Speaker 2: with it, right, because alcohol specifically is so baked into

1245
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:38,800
Speaker 2: everything in the culture. Everywhere you look, it's there, it's mentioned,

1246
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 2: people talk about it. Caunsula. It's like Sarah Sherman was

1247
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:43,960
Speaker 2: saying this at work. It's like alcohol is capitalism. It's

1248
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:47,840
Speaker 2: like it is just it is the big market, you

1249
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 2: know what I mean.

1250
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 1: It's like thinking about like the ad dollars, like any

1251
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 1: like ad offers you get for alcohol, Like that is

1252
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:56,800
Speaker 1: the highest paying market period. Yeah, Like alcohol ad money

1253
01:02:57,000 --> 01:03:00,920
Speaker 1: is the richest ad money out there. Absolutely, you know.

1254
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:03,160
Speaker 2: It's like it's that for a reason. It's like there

1255
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:05,520
Speaker 2: is a deep investment in making sure this thing gets

1256
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 2: distributed and that people consume it.

1257
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's a lot. And I guess that's why

1258
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:14,919
Speaker 1: the Housewives thing with the alcohol it bothered me even

1259
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:18,479
Speaker 1: more because I was like, we're pretending like this isn't

1260
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 1: a part a symptom of culture. Like that's why I

1261
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:25,480
Speaker 1: run up the football things because I'm like, this basically

1262
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:28,920
Speaker 1: is a game that lives and dies on like this

1263
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 1: masculine thing. And like the alcohol, the selling of alcohol,

1264
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:34,840
Speaker 1: the drinking of alcohol, the consumption of alcohol. I know

1265
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:37,760
Speaker 1: from growing up in a culture that was football driven,

1266
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:40,320
Speaker 1: that like it goes hand and hand. And it is

1267
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:44,200
Speaker 1: really sad, as you said, to see people come up

1268
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 1: in environments where it's just a given and then discover

1269
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:51,240
Speaker 1: they have real issues later. But they didn't really stand

1270
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:54,280
Speaker 1: a chance because, as you said, it's baked in, especially

1271
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:57,919
Speaker 1: when you're talking about capitalism, especially when you're talking about

1272
01:03:58,040 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 1: like eventized culture.

1273
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:02,000
Speaker 2: But you know what I mean, Like it's if it's

1274
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 2: an event, it's assumed that it's there.

1275
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:07,000
Speaker 1: Absolutely. I'm planning a party on Thursday, and what's been

1276
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 1: one of the number one things, how much alcohol do

1277
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:10,960
Speaker 1: we need? In fact, it was the first thing.

1278
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:13,520
Speaker 2: Girl, are you making a non alcoholic cocktail?

1279
01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:17,400
Speaker 1: Baby? You better I'm doing one for my housewarming. That's

1280
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 1: good that you won't be out. I'm very sad now

1281
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:21,560
Speaker 1: I am sad I'm gonna be missing that. I would

1282
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:23,320
Speaker 1: really want to come to that. It's that's so shitty,

1283
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:25,640
Speaker 1: Like I should be here for your housewarming, but I

1284
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:26,920
Speaker 1: literally can't be well.

1285
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:28,800
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm not failing you as a friend

1286
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:30,400
Speaker 2: because I'm not present for your album release.

1287
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:34,320
Speaker 1: It's okay, I mean, like, here we are, we're celebrating

1288
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:37,320
Speaker 1: each other. We don't need it to be Christmas at all.

1289
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:40,520
Speaker 1: Hint at one of my songs anyway, not to be

1290
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:43,640
Speaker 1: bleak on this episode, with all these topics we've talked about, like,

1291
01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:45,240
Speaker 1: I feel like we couldn't even get it up for

1292
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:48,480
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty nine tailors or wait, hold on, let me

1293
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 1: look at my notes. Was anything good? I liked the

1294
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:54,160
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills premiere, Yeah, it was fun. I like that

1295
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:59,720
Speaker 1: Drey is activated, Derey is activated, Erica is learning about empathy. Yeah.

1296
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:03,000
Speaker 1: When she was being explained empathy and she was like

1297
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:06,320
Speaker 1: under her breath, how they feel, how they feel, I

1298
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:09,720
Speaker 1: was like, this is it's actually I don't find that

1299
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 1: endearing at all. Erica is like, you're not pro Erica.

1300
01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:16,760
Speaker 1: I've never really been. Pat Reagan and I have both

1301
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:19,480
Speaker 1: worn it as bad as of honor. Yes, You're right,

1302
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:22,120
Speaker 1: he was never. You would never. I was never pro Erica.

1303
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:24,360
Speaker 1: I used to love Erica, and I feel like I

1304
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:25,240
Speaker 1: get it.

1305
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:28,000
Speaker 2: She's like a shiny bobble of the thing, but like

1306
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 2: a rotten person to her core. And what lights me

1307
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:35,840
Speaker 2: up now watching Beverly Hills is and I never thought

1308
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:37,080
Speaker 2: I would say this in a million years.

1309
01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:39,480
Speaker 1: You know what I'm about to say, Sutton. I'm like,

1310
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:42,960
Speaker 1: get Sutton back on the television. You have said this before,

1311
01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:44,480
Speaker 1: like you are a slut.

1312
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:47,960
Speaker 2: I'm a sluttin now I'm a full sluton like she is. Look,

1313
01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:51,480
Speaker 2: she has the capacity to grow more than anyone else

1314
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:53,320
Speaker 2: on the show, like a.

1315
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:55,080
Speaker 1: Huge part of it.

1316
01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:57,720
Speaker 2: She's a huge part of it. She's so compelling. She

1317
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:03,040
Speaker 2: is always funny, always interesting, can go from being light

1318
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:05,439
Speaker 2: to also being very heavy when she wants.

1319
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:08,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, she is very good at this. Yeah, she's a

1320
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:11,400
Speaker 1: good housewife. And I will say the Garcelle stuff. This

1321
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:13,960
Speaker 1: week I was upset for her because I actually think

1322
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:17,800
Speaker 1: it's tough because the Erica thing with Jack's when she

1323
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:20,040
Speaker 1: was mean to him on television and asking him at

1324
01:06:20,040 --> 01:06:21,919
Speaker 1: the party, I think that may have affected him more

1325
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:25,720
Speaker 1: than we realized. Fucking sucks that was not good. But

1326
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:27,919
Speaker 1: I thought the way he was talking to his mother,

1327
01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:31,080
Speaker 1: I was really upset for her because he was like,

1328
01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:33,080
Speaker 1: I needed a mom two years ago and you weren't

1329
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 1: there and now I'm fine, so whatever, And then she

1330
01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:37,520
Speaker 1: for her to say to camera that she felt like

1331
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:39,520
Speaker 1: she'd failed as a mom. I was like, I just

1332
01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:41,520
Speaker 1: thought about talking to my own mom like that, And

1333
01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:43,640
Speaker 1: I was like, you're gonna really regret saying that to

1334
01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 1: your mom on television because I don't know if he

1335
01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:49,480
Speaker 1: says that to his father. And also, let's be real,

1336
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 1: like she didn't ask to be a single mom. No,

1337
01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:55,440
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but you're sitting on the beach in Malibu

1338
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:58,920
Speaker 1: in your Like, I just didn't like the way you

1339
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:01,200
Speaker 1: talked to his mom, who's really hard.

1340
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:03,560
Speaker 2: To give him a life where he can sit on

1341
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:04,280
Speaker 2: the beach of Mailivis.

1342
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:06,080
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna have regrets about the way he

1343
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:08,160
Speaker 1: talked to her on television because I think that she

1344
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:10,160
Speaker 1: didn't deserve to have her feelings hurt like that. I

1345
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 1: understand like.

1346
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:14,080
Speaker 2: That that was a traumatic moment that he had. That

1347
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:17,919
Speaker 2: moment televised YEA when Erica was being horrible, But yeah, yeah,

1348
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:19,560
Speaker 2: it's it's not Garcel's fault.

1349
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:21,320
Speaker 1: That just made me feel bad because A I don't

1350
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:24,760
Speaker 1: think it's true that she's been anywhere near a failiurism mom.

1351
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:26,760
Speaker 1: I think she works hard and loves her kids a

1352
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:30,120
Speaker 1: lot and has an opportunity now, like to really hit

1353
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:32,000
Speaker 1: the pavement and like make a lot of money for

1354
01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:34,360
Speaker 1: them and like really support them and herself, and she

1355
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:37,520
Speaker 1: should have that opportunity and be I just think he's

1356
01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:41,360
Speaker 1: gonna regret it. I would not want to be on television. Yeah,

1357
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:43,720
Speaker 1: as a fourteen year old saying that to my mother.

1358
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:47,200
Speaker 1: It actually it really shook me, and I just I

1359
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:50,120
Speaker 1: don't know. And how real do you think this Kyle

1360
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:50,960
Speaker 1: Richard stuff is.

1361
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:53,040
Speaker 2: I don't know what to make of it. I am

1362
01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:56,520
Speaker 2: like so done with Kyle being the de facto protagonist

1363
01:07:56,600 --> 01:07:58,560
Speaker 2: of this show. I'm like, am I supposed to get?

1364
01:07:58,560 --> 01:07:59,680
Speaker 2: You know, I'm supposed to care?

1365
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:02,200
Speaker 1: But do why? I can't put my finger on it.

1366
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:05,680
Speaker 1: Something about it is not landing with me. I think

1367
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:09,360
Speaker 1: that they probably are having a transition in their marriage.

1368
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 1: I get that, but there's something about the tattoos and

1369
01:08:13,240 --> 01:08:17,160
Speaker 1: the being hanging out with Morgan Wade. There's something about

1370
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:19,519
Speaker 1: it there's something about it which doesn't pass the smell

1371
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:20,000
Speaker 1: test to me.

1372
01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:23,280
Speaker 2: Well, like so many things about Kyle in recent seasons

1373
01:08:23,360 --> 01:08:26,719
Speaker 2: have been like wait what like wait, what is this about?

1374
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:29,640
Speaker 2: Like the whole the whole Kathy thing. Like I'm just

1375
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:34,519
Speaker 2: like we lack context. There's something off, something's off. But

1376
01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:37,640
Speaker 2: something has been off with her. I can't tell when

1377
01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:39,800
Speaker 2: she's acting. Something's not authentic.

1378
01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:44,360
Speaker 1: About it period. Yeah, and I guess we'll see Potomac soon. Oh.

1379
01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:47,200
Speaker 2: I have also lol Erica being like, I'm on hormones.

1380
01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:49,519
Speaker 2: It's it's hormones. My hormones are amazing. It's not ozempic.

1381
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:52,400
Speaker 2: Ozempic is a hormone. Essentially, that's her way around it.

1382
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:55,120
Speaker 2: I mean, look, no judgment, no judgment there, but it's

1383
01:08:55,160 --> 01:08:58,320
Speaker 2: like just say it, yeah, no judgment. But again, like

1384
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 2: it's like the thing with these actors being like I'm

1385
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:04,639
Speaker 2: married to this woman. What are you trying to protect?

1386
01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:09,280
Speaker 1: What are you? Who's who? Like okay whatever, And if

1387
01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:12,160
Speaker 1: it is just hormones, like slag go on, it's just

1388
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:15,280
Speaker 1: that like it's convenient that it happens concurrently with the

1389
01:09:16,280 --> 01:09:20,840
Speaker 1: very publicized rise of Rose Epic. If the Potomac taglines

1390
01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:25,120
Speaker 1: were RuPaul's drag race challenge. Who is the top of

1391
01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:26,880
Speaker 1: the week and who's in the bottom two? I mean

1392
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:29,639
Speaker 1: we both know Canvas is the winner, Candas is the winner,

1393
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:34,799
Speaker 1: and the bottom is I'm gonna say, Robin Dixon, Robin Dixon,

1394
01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:38,240
Speaker 1: you are in the bottom. The seven are doing bottom

1395
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:43,200
Speaker 1: two hundred percent. That bitch and she did the whole

1396
01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:48,080
Speaker 1: DNA test and it turns out don't care. But the

1397
01:09:48,120 --> 01:09:51,120
Speaker 1: way she goes, the way she says care is so shocking.

1398
01:09:51,400 --> 01:09:54,640
Speaker 1: I one percent don't care, but she goes down a

1399
01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:58,439
Speaker 1: full optave. She's definitely bottom two.

1400
01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:02,320
Speaker 2: She fucking so he has always actually know has not always.

1401
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:03,719
Speaker 1: This is the thing that we were talking about.

1402
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:06,519
Speaker 2: I used to love these women, and it's so sad

1403
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:07,200
Speaker 2: how now I don't.

1404
01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:11,360
Speaker 1: Every season I go in trying, but Robin has set

1405
01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:14,040
Speaker 1: a low bar, and I will say, girl, if you

1406
01:10:14,160 --> 01:10:16,479
Speaker 1: really don't care, why are you crying on the street, Wait.

1407
01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:17,920
Speaker 2: Crying on the street. Why are you hiding shit from

1408
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:18,240
Speaker 2: the show?

1409
01:10:18,439 --> 01:10:20,120
Speaker 1: Why are you crying on the street on the side

1410
01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:22,080
Speaker 1: of the road. If you don't care, you care, It's okay.

1411
01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:25,240
Speaker 1: It's okay to care, be activated, be upset that your

1412
01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:26,519
Speaker 1: husband keeps cheating on you.

1413
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:30,720
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, like, Wow, it's like we

1414
01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:33,440
Speaker 2: need to shake her into like being.

1415
01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:36,160
Speaker 1: Wake up Robin and then who else is bottom? Two?

1416
01:10:36,439 --> 01:10:40,280
Speaker 1: What did Ashley say? I don't even remember, Mia. Oh,

1417
01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:42,360
Speaker 1: I might live in a small house, but it's small.

1418
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:43,640
Speaker 1: That's something like that.

1419
01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:46,519
Speaker 2: I'm starting not and I'm not saying that, like the

1420
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:50,320
Speaker 2: square footage of your house determines anything about you. But

1421
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:52,640
Speaker 2: for me a Thornton, to say that and use that

1422
01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:54,760
Speaker 2: as our tagline is that.

1423
01:10:55,320 --> 01:10:59,880
Speaker 1: Anyway, we so look forward to it. We're gonna watch

1424
01:10:59,920 --> 01:11:01,639
Speaker 1: my right after this. I'm gonna eat more water soon.

1425
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:06,200
Speaker 1: But speaking of water and re energizing, let's re energize

1426
01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:08,720
Speaker 1: our audience because I know they're thirsty little piglets for

1427
01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:09,679
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey.

1428
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:11,640
Speaker 2: Yes, this is I don't think so honey. This is

1429
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:15,200
Speaker 2: where we take one minute to rail against something in culture. Matt,

1430
01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:15,920
Speaker 2: do you have a topic?

1431
01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:16,840
Speaker 1: I do have a topic.

1432
01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:19,200
Speaker 2: Okay, this is Matt Rogers. I don't think so, honey.

1433
01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:20,439
Speaker 2: As time starts now.

1434
01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:23,280
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey. Anyone's saying the wrestling singlet

1435
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:26,160
Speaker 1: is played as a Halloween costume. Hi, boys, I say

1436
01:11:26,280 --> 01:11:29,400
Speaker 1: keep going. You got good, You got those thunder thighs.

1437
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:32,000
Speaker 1: You can fill it out. You push the dick to

1438
01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:35,000
Speaker 1: the side, push to the side. I keep rocking those

1439
01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:38,120
Speaker 1: wrestling singlets. Girls. That is a costume? Yes? Is it

1440
01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:40,240
Speaker 1: like Madonna and iight on Rupel's drag race with some

1441
01:11:40,360 --> 01:11:42,600
Speaker 1: of you? Yes? I keep seeing too many singlets. But

1442
01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:46,080
Speaker 1: it's fine because guess what they work. You boys look good.

1443
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:49,760
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. You just al seem to be really

1444
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:53,559
Speaker 1: pulling it off, and someday soon, you know, maybe it's

1445
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:56,160
Speaker 1: not gonna look like that. I know the power of

1446
01:11:56,240 --> 01:11:58,560
Speaker 1: walking around in the wrestling singlet at your best. I

1447
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:00,920
Speaker 1: wore one in the film Fire Island, and I'm so

1448
01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:04,120
Speaker 1: happy that it's on camera. So so you would want

1449
01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:06,040
Speaker 1: on camera too, So you know, when's a really good

1450
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:09,439
Speaker 1: opportunity to get photographed and videoed on Halloween, honey. And

1451
01:12:09,479 --> 01:12:12,000
Speaker 1: it's an excuse because you can't just go out walking everywhere.

1452
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:15,120
Speaker 1: We're in a wrestling singlet. So I support you boys

1453
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:18,280
Speaker 1: and ladies and all my nb's out there who want

1454
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:20,960
Speaker 1: to wear a wrestling singlet. You look amazing, and that's

1455
01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:22,320
Speaker 1: one minute. You're so right.

1456
01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:25,160
Speaker 2: Let the girls wear the singlet.

1457
01:12:25,439 --> 01:12:27,960
Speaker 1: I say, and it's just so tired, because really, what

1458
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:30,120
Speaker 1: you're saying when you see a wrestling single and you're like,

1459
01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:33,160
Speaker 1: h her real original is you're like you you're scared

1460
01:12:33,160 --> 01:12:35,479
Speaker 1: to admit how horny you are a wrestling singlet? Does

1461
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:37,000
Speaker 1: it every time? Does it every time?

1462
01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:39,360
Speaker 2: This is not my I don't think somebody is Halloween

1463
01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:42,679
Speaker 2: related as well, but it's not this but like low effort,

1464
01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:46,200
Speaker 2: Halloween is actually okay, it's the only way to go.

1465
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:49,760
Speaker 2: It's actually like the smarter way to go. And we're

1466
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:51,240
Speaker 2: afraid to say it. But if you're putting in a

1467
01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:52,640
Speaker 2: lot of f and well, actually this is this is

1468
01:12:52,720 --> 01:12:54,000
Speaker 2: about to be mad. I don't think somebody said, put

1469
01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:54,360
Speaker 2: me in the clock.

1470
01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:56,240
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Okay, so we're going all right to

1471
01:12:56,320 --> 01:12:58,479
Speaker 1: the clock. But when's transitioning right into his? I don't

1472
01:12:58,479 --> 01:13:00,639
Speaker 1: think so, honey, this is his. I don't think so, honey.

1473
01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:02,439
Speaker 1: As time starts now, I don't think so, honey.

1474
01:13:02,680 --> 01:13:06,000
Speaker 2: If you are hiring prostheticians to put shit on you

1475
01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:11,120
Speaker 2: for your Halloween costume, girl, that is peacocking a little

1476
01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:13,800
Speaker 2: too much. Don't you think the only person who is

1477
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:16,160
Speaker 2: maybe allowed to do that as Mattie Majakamo for his

1478
01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:19,479
Speaker 2: peloton walk classes because he looks. He goes all in

1479
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:21,840
Speaker 2: and he looks amazing and he commits to the damn look.

1480
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:23,800
Speaker 2: But if you're out there going to Horseman Disco and

1481
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:25,960
Speaker 2: you're you have little prosthetic things like your fucking gaga

1482
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:28,840
Speaker 2: during the Born in This Way era, honey stop, it's

1483
01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:30,880
Speaker 2: a waste of time, a waste of money. You cannot

1484
01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:33,479
Speaker 2: possibly be sumfortable with all that shit on you. You

1485
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:36,000
Speaker 2: can put liquid latex on your face, if you want

1486
01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:38,200
Speaker 2: to look like you're mangled. Fine, you can go all

1487
01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:41,599
Speaker 2: out with the horror makeup. Yes, please go off, my queen.

1488
01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:44,439
Speaker 2: But if you are hiring people, I've seen some of

1489
01:13:44,479 --> 01:13:47,759
Speaker 2: you girls with your little time lap studios of hiring

1490
01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:50,240
Speaker 2: makeup artists to put shit on you for the damn night,

1491
01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:53,160
Speaker 2: and it's like, I don't think this is worthwhile.

1492
01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:55,479
Speaker 1: It's Halloween. Just take it easy.

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01:13:56,360 --> 01:14:01,080
Speaker 2: We cannot be like wealth brandish sha about this way.

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01:14:01,240 --> 01:14:03,280
Speaker 1: And that's one minute. You don't think there's something to

1495
01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:07,240
Speaker 1: be said about them helping the economy, girl, because makeup

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01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:10,760
Speaker 1: boards are making a coin on every Halloween. If your

1497
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:14,320
Speaker 1: Heidi clume, if your thing is I go all fun

1498
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:16,479
Speaker 1: but don't go to horse go with it. I'm saying,

1499
01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:19,200
Speaker 1: don't go to a fucking party with that shit. Yeah.

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01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:23,439
Speaker 2: Sometimes I'm like, you, guys, maybe I'm speaking from a

1501
01:14:23,479 --> 01:14:24,720
Speaker 2: privileged place because like.

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01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:27,519
Speaker 1: Oh, I played dross up every weekend. Yeah, you get

1503
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:30,200
Speaker 1: this opportunity all the time to look like a crazy creature.

1504
01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:33,439
Speaker 1: But I on a costume.

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01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:37,600
Speaker 2: I just think this is another area in which we

1506
01:14:37,720 --> 01:14:42,080
Speaker 2: get to like, mmm, kind of like flex a little bit.

1507
01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:44,479
Speaker 2: And there's that's fine, there's nothing wrong with that. I

1508
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:47,320
Speaker 2: just am like, it can be a lot. It's the

1509
01:14:47,439 --> 01:14:49,680
Speaker 2: trip wire is low, you know.

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01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:52,880
Speaker 1: I just worry. And here's the thing, Like for me,

1511
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:54,600
Speaker 1: it's no big deal. If anyone else wants to go

1512
01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:58,440
Speaker 1: all the way off, please, I just it's so uncomfortable.

1513
01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:01,360
Speaker 1: Even if I put a wig on. Oh my god,

1514
01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:05,559
Speaker 1: I'm absolutely dying dying under this wig. Forget about makeup

1515
01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:10,200
Speaker 1: and all the things. And sometimes these like cumbersome costumes. Girl,

1516
01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:15,360
Speaker 1: I just feel like crazy crazy. But people can do

1517
01:15:15,439 --> 01:15:17,080
Speaker 1: whatever they want to do. But you're taking a stand.

1518
01:15:17,160 --> 01:15:19,400
Speaker 1: You're saying no, I'm saying I don't think so, honey,

1519
01:15:19,479 --> 01:15:22,320
Speaker 1: which is oh yeah, we all know, is not you know,

1520
01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:25,680
Speaker 1: to be taken not to be sick and serious. Oh

1521
01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:28,160
Speaker 1: my god, girl girl, we.

1522
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:30,400
Speaker 2: Went heavy this episode. We talked about Brittany, we talked

1523
01:15:30,439 --> 01:15:34,960
Speaker 2: about the Housewives, thing, talked about Matthew, and we talked

1524
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:36,200
Speaker 2: about nineteen eighty ninet TV.

1525
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:37,719
Speaker 1: This was the takedown episode.

1526
01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:41,000
Speaker 2: We weren't taking things down and we were taking down

1527
01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:41,519
Speaker 2: her family.

1528
01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:44,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. What should we call this episode? Hmmm?

1529
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:50,680
Speaker 2: Interesting, vicious jerending, vicious jerending.

1530
01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:53,960
Speaker 1: Vicious jarending. Do you think that says? Click me? I

1531
01:15:54,040 --> 01:15:54,680
Speaker 1: think so? That's it.

1532
01:15:54,840 --> 01:15:56,639
Speaker 2: I want to be What are these boys talking about?

1533
01:15:58,000 --> 01:15:59,559
Speaker 1: You don't think so? You want to coll something better?

1534
01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:05,719
Speaker 1: Was something juicy? Okay? Hmmm? The Britney episode, the Brittany

1535
01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:11,200
Speaker 1: Episode two, The Britney Episode two Brittany and Moore Perfect,

1536
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:17,320
Speaker 1: The Britney Episode two Brittany and More perfect to me? Wow,

1537
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:17,720
Speaker 1: we did.

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01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:21,400
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us. As always, Readers, keyse public Is finalists,

1539
01:16:21,439 --> 01:16:23,360
Speaker 2: be sure to stream. Have you heard of Christmas This?

1540
01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:27,200
Speaker 1: Wow? It's coming out. I cannot wait for my sister.

1541
01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:30,679
Speaker 1: This is a ten out of ten no Skips album.

1542
01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:34,120
Speaker 1: I'm so proud of you. Two Kinds of mea Quina.

1543
01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:38,080
Speaker 1: We end a three episode with a song them might

1544
01:16:38,439 --> 01:16:42,160
Speaker 1: be a little wayne because I've leave been saying in

1545
01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:49,800
Speaker 1: chances you don't know what I do say in my life.

1546
01:16:50,040 --> 01:16:52,960
Speaker 1: If you get oh, I guess I lost the words.

1547
01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:55,479
Speaker 1: It's fine. All I know is action. Wait, you know

1548
01:16:55,560 --> 01:16:58,400
Speaker 1: what I wanted to say before we end. She was

1549
01:16:58,479 --> 01:17:01,679
Speaker 1: an unbelievable recording artist. If you listen to your songs,

1550
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:04,600
Speaker 1: what she does on me against the music, there's a

1551
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:09,960
Speaker 1: vocal which is like rab take it down, Like with

1552
01:17:10,040 --> 01:17:12,360
Speaker 1: the sounds she was making vocal fruh, She's like fuck,

1553
01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:14,360
Speaker 1: I don't care the sounds she was making to like

1554
01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:18,240
Speaker 1: create her lead vocal. Brittany was an amazing singer.

1555
01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:22,160
Speaker 2: She was an incredible singer. And in the Zone is

1556
01:17:22,439 --> 01:17:23,920
Speaker 2: it's for me. It's always been a time between in

1557
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:24,599
Speaker 2: the Zone and Blackout.

1558
01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:27,439
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean she really loves Blackout and.

1559
01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:29,639
Speaker 2: She really lives in the Zone, and she really loves Glory.

1560
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:30,920
Speaker 1: I love the Glory.

1561
01:17:31,080 --> 01:17:33,280
Speaker 2: Glory is an amazing I need to listen to Glory

1562
01:17:33,320 --> 01:17:33,800
Speaker 2: all the way through.

1563
01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:36,080
Speaker 1: When it starts and you listen to Invitation, just like

1564
01:17:36,160 --> 01:17:37,920
Speaker 1: put your earphones in and like close your eyes and

1565
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:40,439
Speaker 1: lay on your back, girl, because Brady will thank you

1566
01:17:40,479 --> 01:17:43,800
Speaker 1: for a ride, she's inviting, she is, and then you

1567
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:46,720
Speaker 1: know you also get on that album. Do you look

1568
01:17:46,760 --> 01:17:48,719
Speaker 1: at her? Bye Bye,