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Speaker 3: All right, gosh, welcome back, Yeah, Eyl, this is going
Speaker 3: to be a special episode, man, friend of ours.
Speaker 2: David long overdue man.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Before we even man, I want to tell you you
Speaker 2: guys how inspired I am by you all and how
Speaker 2: proud I am of you all and your business acumen,
Speaker 2: not just as thought leaders, but just as black people
Speaker 2: in the financial space. Man, I'm so proud of you
Speaker 2: all to be able to mobilize people the way that
Speaker 2: you all did, the way that you market, how you
Speaker 2: all put it.
Speaker 4: Together, and just just being all around, just trailblazers in
Speaker 4: that space man, because that was a space that was
Speaker 4: needed to be able to see a deficit and to
Speaker 4: be able to cover that man like I'm very.
Speaker 2: Very proud of you.
Speaker 3: Thank you, appreciate that man, Thank you, that man that
Speaker 3: means a lot, received a lot. And every time we
Speaker 3: see you, it's always been good energy. So you know, definitely,
Speaker 3: the feeling is mutual. Feeling is mutual. So, David, somebody
Speaker 3: that when most people heard of you, it was through music, right,
Speaker 3: But I've seen you transition in multiple different genres. So
Speaker 3: from a producer to a rapper, to an actor, to
Speaker 3: an activist on a certain level, to an entrepreneur to
Speaker 3: a variety of different things that you do. You're you're
Speaker 3: a renaissance man of sorts. So I want to start
Speaker 3: at the beginning. Mississippi. Right at that time, to my knowledge,
Speaker 3: there wasn't a major artist that rap artists that came
Speaker 3: out of Mississippi. Is that correct now? It was?
Speaker 2: It was some major artists. There was a group called
Speaker 2: Wildlife Society. I forgot the name of the record label.
Speaker 2: The record label almost popped really big. They had trying
Speaker 2: to think of a rapper. I know, y'all know his name,
Speaker 2: but they were they were signed to you know how
Speaker 2: Penalty back when I was on Penalty, when Nori was
Speaker 2: on Penalty. It was one of those labels, one of
Speaker 2: those subsidiary labels that was really really close to popping
Speaker 2: Life Penalty did.
Speaker 5: But there was a group called Wildlife Society that was.
Speaker 2: On I keep forgetting the name of the group that
Speaker 2: Hammer had. The Hammer MC Hammer had had a group
Speaker 2: that was out of Mississippi and they had a very,
Speaker 2: very big singer. There was the female rapper out of
Speaker 2: that group. Her name was Treasure. She actually ended up
Speaker 2: going solo and she saw some success too. So it's
Speaker 2: been you know, some groups that have been out. I
Speaker 2: think with me, it was just that I came at
Speaker 2: the right time. You know, SRC was just starting after
Speaker 2: Steve Rifkin, you know, it was coming off of his
Speaker 2: loud success, and I think it was just time spirit look,
Speaker 2: you know, me being prepared and ready for the moment,
Speaker 2: and it just all came together, bro, and it was
Speaker 2: it was.
Speaker 3: History, like a like a pimp. That's the song, Yes,
Speaker 3: were you on you on a little flip? Yes, that's
Speaker 3: that's the first time I said. It was like like
Speaker 3: a pimp and you had like a very big entry
Speaker 3: into the into the bad game. Right. So my question
Speaker 3: is coming from Mississippi where there wasn't a lot of trash,
Speaker 3: let's just say that, right, And it's not like Atlanta
Speaker 3: or New York or LA. But we always hear about
Speaker 3: like the southern hustle as far as like the stories
Speaker 3: of people selling music out of their trunks, of their
Speaker 3: CD stuff of that, like CDs out out the trunk
Speaker 3: at the car. Was that something that you you did
Speaker 3: from a grassroots level?
Speaker 2: Yes, So I'm going to tell you you are something
Speaker 2: just because you are who you are to me. So
Speaker 2: what happened was that nobody ever talks about is that
Speaker 2: we as independent artists because we don't talk to each
Speaker 2: other as black men. That's something that I like about
Speaker 2: our relationship. Bro. I've called you before when there was
Speaker 2: something that I didn't understand and was like, Bro, can
Speaker 2: you tell me what this means? Bro? How do I
Speaker 2: do this? Or I'm going into the tech industry? What
Speaker 2: would you suggest that I do. We've had that conversation
Speaker 2: both in person and on the phone. Right, we don't
Speaker 2: do that as artists, Bro, Like, what's happening was if
Speaker 2: you calculate the amount of money that independent are were making,
Speaker 2: especially in Texas and then the Bay Like, they were
Speaker 2: kicking the shit. Can I say shit?
Speaker 1: Okay, yes, yes, said shit.
Speaker 2: They was kicking the shit out of major labels. Bro.
Speaker 2: You got to think about like the South Park Mexicans. Bro,
Speaker 2: you gotta think broad.
Speaker 3: Thy, slim Thum and.
Speaker 2: Slim Thug little Flip. I think did eighty thousand or
Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty thousand or something like that, Bro,
Speaker 2: Think about what e forty and two short master p
Speaker 2: and all of them people. Now put all of them
Speaker 2: people together, bro, and think about the millions, and then
Speaker 2: you gotta think that's when you know we was getting
Speaker 2: ten ten dollars a record, Bro. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: And so what they ended up doing, Bro, is soaking
Speaker 2: up all of the independent artists, Bro and signing in
Speaker 2: the deals in a lot of cases, this is just
Speaker 2: my opinion, with not even the hopes of them being
Speaker 2: successful to move us out of the way of their
Speaker 2: major artists.
Speaker 4: Bro.
Speaker 5: And one of the only reasons.
Speaker 2: Why I didn't fail is because I produced my own music,
Speaker 2: I marketed my own music. I had enough good people
Speaker 2: around me to tell me, like, you know, and a
Speaker 2: lot of artists thought I was crazy because you know,
Speaker 2: University was still taking out of my budget to you know,
Speaker 2: get record promoters and radio promoters and video promoters. But
Speaker 2: I still out of my own money that I made.
Speaker 2: I had my own radio promoter. I had my own
Speaker 2: video promoter because I just knew. And I went to
Speaker 2: the president of Universal one time and he told me.
Speaker 2: He was like BANNERD, like, I know you a smart guy,
Speaker 2: and you're gonna figure this out, and he really gave
Speaker 2: me the game. So the thing was, it was like, man,
Speaker 2: why are you double spending your money because I know
Speaker 2: that them folks are not gonna do me right. They're
Speaker 2: not gonna at.
Speaker 3: Least they're not gonna do me like an independent artist,
Speaker 3: even though you salt.
Speaker 2: And every record that I didn't work myself failed. So
Speaker 2: what would usually happen is that if you even I
Speaker 2: don't know if people know this, but like I came
Speaker 2: into Universal with eight hundred spins on radio while I
Speaker 2: was sleeping in my van. I was homeless. You know,
Speaker 2: I don't know if y'all knew the story about my
Speaker 2: red van. Like I built the studio in my van
Speaker 2: like RV. Yeah, no, no, no, it was just a
Speaker 2: regular work van, and I went in got a what
Speaker 2: do you call those the things that you put into
Speaker 2: the lighter, You put it into a lighter and then
Speaker 2: you plug whatever into transitions.
Speaker 1: It's like an extension called on in a sense, but
Speaker 1: it's like you're using the power from the light.
Speaker 2: So I literally if you go back and listen to Mississippi,
Speaker 2: the album that had like a Pimp on it, if
Speaker 2: you listen to the interludes, you can hear the people
Speaker 2: passing in the van. And one of the things that
Speaker 2: also made me popular is like if a DJ wanted
Speaker 2: to drop, I tell them to come to my van.
Speaker 5: You know, I could even do verses in my van.
Speaker 5: That's why I tell these.
Speaker 2: Kids, there's never no excuse. Like people in the South
Speaker 2: know this story. And I was sleeping in that van, you.
Speaker 3: Know, so you you was homeless, Yes, so how'd you
Speaker 3: link up a little flip? He was already lit at
Speaker 3: that time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well what happened was is that What people don't
Speaker 2: know is that I produced the Holiday for Trick Daddy.
Speaker 2: So I never wanted to be a producer, but I
Speaker 2: come to find out a lot of people don't know that.
Speaker 2: People the person who I would never call him my stepfather,
Speaker 2: but the people who the person who people know as
Speaker 2: my father is actually not my biological father. He raised
Speaker 2: me from when I was three And come to find
Speaker 2: out that my biological father played thirteen instruments with the
Speaker 2: exception of you know, playing in the band or whatever
Speaker 2: in school.
Speaker 5: I've never been classically trained.
Speaker 2: And like Bro, I've co produced Quincy Jones before Maroon five,
Speaker 2: you know, Chris Brown, justin Bieber, like you know, I'm
Speaker 2: executive co executive producer Jill Scott's album right now. So
Speaker 2: like Bro, like I did it all man, you know.
Speaker 2: And that's one thing that I want to tell people
Speaker 2: that I'm learning about being a businessman. And if you
Speaker 2: all don't listen to nothing else I say, Man, it's
Speaker 2: like you have to have an extraordinary team. And regardless
Speaker 2: of whether you all tried to do it or not,
Speaker 2: one of the things that is very special about you
Speaker 2: all is that y'all did it as a group. Y'all
Speaker 2: did it as a family. And that's the power of
Speaker 2: America is family. And that's the reason why they want
Speaker 2: us in these boxes on these computers. That's the reason
Speaker 2: why I really think COVID happened is that we won't
Speaker 2: congregate with each other. True information is not just verbal,
Speaker 2: it's also a vibe. It's also getting together. It's sometimes
Speaker 2: it's envy. Sometimes it's competition. That's just being in the
Speaker 2: room competing with each other. Speaking to me and Little
Speaker 2: Flip Bro, people used to think that me and Little
Speaker 2: Flip was beefing because we were so competitive against each other.
Speaker 2: I remember Jim Jones was in the studio. That's one
Speaker 2: time when we was doing the song that's called it's
Speaker 2: called talk to Me Now. It's funny it's a white
Speaker 2: movie just licensed it licensed the song, and I can't
Speaker 2: wait to hear see an all white movie with a
Speaker 2: song that aggressive. Uh, if the boys won't wo talk
Speaker 2: to me now, if the boy won't wo to lay
Speaker 2: it down, motherfucker, lay it down, you bitch. And I
Speaker 2: was like to see the white boy but that record.
Speaker 2: But but, but what happened with me and Little Flip
Speaker 2: was that I was already a popping producer, like in
Speaker 2: the hood, like all over, I mean probably from Tosa, Oklahoma,
Speaker 2: the Florida and so Little Flip just told me him,
Speaker 2: being the business man that he is, he was like, Bro,
Speaker 2: you give me two beats, I give you a verse.
Speaker 2: And so I didn't even like the like of pimp beat.
Speaker 2: I'm being honest with you. It just had Pimp C.
Speaker 2: I had sample of Pimp C on the hook, and
Speaker 2: so I was like, well, I know, like little flipper
Speaker 2: like it because it got C on. I'll just get
Speaker 2: a little flip verse and then I'll go back and
Speaker 2: make the beat again. I was popping so much and
Speaker 2: moving so much because this is something that I think
Speaker 2: that will help you guys with the show that people
Speaker 2: don't know about. I ran a three state distribution company
Speaker 2: out of the back of my van. I may have
Speaker 2: been the first artist to ever put a store up online.
Speaker 3: People don't know that. And on your website you was
Speaker 3: selling stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 2: One of my friends worked at Xerox Wow, so he
Speaker 2: was in the tech before the average person was in
Speaker 2: the tech.
Speaker 5: So he set up a store.
Speaker 2: For me, right, and so anywhere within the three I
Speaker 2: said three state radius. If it was enough, I would
Speaker 2: actually take the CDs myself, especially if I was driving
Speaker 2: to go.
Speaker 3: Do beats to deliver yes himself.
Speaker 2: And if it was enough, if not, then I would
Speaker 2: just send it in a making the original Amazon prome exactly.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: That's another one we're not thinking of about.
Speaker 2: You know, I just saw I just saw something online
Speaker 2: that said that I may have been the.
Speaker 5: First person to do NFTs.
Speaker 2: I don't know about quite know about that one, but
Speaker 2: I know that I was, probably, if not the first one,
Speaker 2: one of the first people to do crowdfunded.
Speaker 3: Let's break this down. Yeah, okay, NFTs. How did you
Speaker 3: move your involvement with that?
Speaker 2: Well, what I don't see. The thing is is that
Speaker 2: when you are the first, you don't really know what
Speaker 2: you're doing. And the thing was is that I wasn't
Speaker 2: doing it to make stuff easier for other people. I
Speaker 2: was doing it because like in my company to this day,
Speaker 2: ask any of my staff when they come to me
Speaker 2: and ask me, is it good enough?
Speaker 5: Ask my staff, what is the first.
Speaker 2: Thing I tell them?
Speaker 5: I always tell them is it good enough?
Speaker 2: For Apple? Apple was always the company from their inception,
Speaker 2: that was the company that I always competed against because
Speaker 2: this shit was so clean, it was so easy. How
Speaker 2: did they get their phone down to just one button?
Speaker 2: Even think about the packaging? How do you hot everything,
Speaker 2: everything like if you look at my god, boxes that soul.
Speaker 2: And some people said it was one of the greatest marketing.
Speaker 2: They said it was a marketing scheme. I said, it
Speaker 2: wasn't marketing a marketing scheme because I meant what I
Speaker 2: was doing. It wasn't a scheme. It was a box
Speaker 2: of consciousness. I took all the things that helped me
Speaker 2: to become conscious and I put it in a box.
Speaker 2: And what I did is I said, I wanted to
Speaker 2: cater to every sense that a human being has, so
Speaker 2: the slickness of the box. Women always tell me how
Speaker 2: good I smelled. Didn't you smell me, baby when I
Speaker 2: walked in the room. I know you did. It was
Speaker 2: quite elegant. See the way that you're looking at me
Speaker 2: in the Oh, no, you weren't locked in, but no.
Speaker 2: Women would always talk about how good I smelled. So
Speaker 2: I would spray my cologne in the boxes literally, so
Speaker 2: when they open up the box, male or female, they
Speaker 2: when they smelled it, when they touched it, like, whether
Speaker 2: we know it or not, we represent culture. And I new,
Speaker 2: especially during that time in music, anytime you thought of
Speaker 2: black and independent, people would always try to make it
Speaker 2: feel like it was low quality. So I always wanted
Speaker 2: to represent us at a level where at a zenith
Speaker 2: level where people will always be proud of me. That's
Speaker 2: the reason why I'm enough of a man to come
Speaker 2: on here today and say the way that you all
Speaker 2: represent culture, it it transcends just business and music, like
Speaker 2: you all are doing something that inspire people all over
Speaker 2: the world. I'm in meetings all the time and y'all
Speaker 2: name come up.
Speaker 1: Appreciate man, I appreciate that. I mean, it says a lot.
Speaker 1: And you use the word transcend and transition in a
Speaker 1: certain step.
Speaker 2: Excuse me one second. Can you go back to this
Speaker 2: camera right here? Damn, I look good. I saw myself myself.
Speaker 1: Somebody called people okay, go ahead. As we were saying
Speaker 1: the moment, the transition from being into the artists to
Speaker 1: sign artists. What is it like when you're trying to,
Speaker 1: I guess infiltrate or into a new space in terms
Speaker 1: of business, how are people viewing you when you walk
Speaker 1: into the space. Is it like, Hey, this guy's an artists,
Speaker 1: he doesn't know much. You said that they had a
Speaker 1: universe realized that you're a smart guy. But how are
Speaker 1: the other people in other forms of business.
Speaker 2: Looking at you.
Speaker 1: Where they look like this is the artists who may
Speaker 1: not know or we're not taking them serious because he
Speaker 1: doesn't come from this background.
Speaker 2: So I'll say this. I want to answer this question
Speaker 2: in a very specific way. Because I'm pretty decent with
Speaker 2: my hands. I own several firearms, and I go to
Speaker 2: tactical gun training monthly. I can be a little bit
Speaker 2: more vulnerable than the average artist, and I think it's
Speaker 2: very important for us to be honest. It's really, really scary.
Speaker 2: It's scary because a lot of these spaces, unlike you guys,
Speaker 2: if anything, y'all can fail together, if anything, if something
Speaker 2: go down, it's more than just one of y'all in
Speaker 2: most of these spaces using only one, and even more
Speaker 2: than that. And I found this out in higher education.
Speaker 2: As I moved up and higher in education, I became
Speaker 2: not only the only black male, but in a lot
Speaker 2: of cases, the only black person in a lot of
Speaker 2: these spaces. You all know this because we've bumped into
Speaker 2: each other in tech spaces. That's lonely, especially not only
Speaker 2: when you're trying to navigate yourself through it, but you're
Speaker 2: trying to learn it at the same time. So I'm
Speaker 2: trying to continue to make hit records when none of
Speaker 2: us know the real equation to hit records. I'm trying
Speaker 2: to stay current. But then I got to learn accounting.
Speaker 2: I gotta you know, I'm going overseas, navigating myself in
Speaker 2: spaces that I've never been before. Then you know what
Speaker 2: they don't talk about is the music industry gets younger
Speaker 2: and younger, while the people who own the music industry
Speaker 2: get older and older and wiser and wiser. So master
Speaker 2: p may come up with a stellar contract that breaks
Speaker 2: down the walls, or Michael Jordan in the case of Shoes,
Speaker 2: may come up with a deal that's never been seen before.
Speaker 2: But then white folks are not gonna let that happen again.
Speaker 2: You're gonna have to find another way to do it.
Speaker 2: And every time we break through, the contracts get tighter
Speaker 2: and tighter. But we're getting younger and younger and younger,
Speaker 2: and your music business becoming more disposable and more disposable. So,
Speaker 2: to answer your question directly, in a lot of these spaces, bro,
Speaker 2: I don't even have anybody to go to and acting
Speaker 2: man like, I'm acting across from some of the greatest
Speaker 2: actors on this planet and I just got Samuel. I
Speaker 2: just got to the point where I.
Speaker 5: Can call Samuel L.
Speaker 2: Jackson. And although, yeah, I'm tough from I'm a street perspective,
Speaker 2: but I'm dealing in things and in rooms that I've
Speaker 2: never ever experienced before. And like you say, I am,
Speaker 2: I'm representing us whether I want to or not. But
Speaker 2: I'm just glad that my parents instill something in me.
Speaker 2: And hip hop from the standpoint of when I was
Speaker 2: growing up was intelligent, so I always learned to study.
Speaker 2: I'll give y'all an example. I actually my first Gatorade contract.
Speaker 2: I actually wrote the contract myself, and I wrote the
Speaker 2: contract because I went to legal Zoom.
Speaker 5: That's when legal Zoom first came out, and.
Speaker 2: I downloaded every contract that had something to do with marketing,
Speaker 2: that had to do anything with commercials and music, and
Speaker 2: I study watch what I did. Most lawyers charge you
Speaker 2: by what the hour?
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: Have you ever noticed in most cases you only really
Speaker 2: spend thirty minutes, but they always charge you by the what. Well,
Speaker 2: so every time I would read something in legal Zoom
Speaker 2: that I wouldn't that I didn't understand, when.
Speaker 5: My lawyer got his ass up.
Speaker 2: No shit, your ass back down. I got thirty more minutes.
Speaker 2: I got these lists of questions. So after about twenty
Speaker 2: times of doing this with my lawyer, I got that shit.
Speaker 2: And it got to the point where other rappers would
Speaker 2: call me and say, hey, bro, read over my contract.
Speaker 2: I could pick out what was wrong. I didn't know
Speaker 2: how to rewrite the contract, but I could pick out
Speaker 2: what was wrong. But it was because I had the
Speaker 2: internal fortitude to study and learn on my own.
Speaker 3: I hope that so you got you got your four
Speaker 3: hours worth? Oh shit, you ever get mad at you
Speaker 3: for like yeo, bro, yeah is over?
Speaker 2: Well no, I will tell you that that. Come to
Speaker 2: find out, that particular lawyer that I'm talking about ended
Speaker 2: up being a thief. But he told me to my face.
Speaker 2: He told me two things that were very powerful. Number One,
Speaker 2: when he read over the Gatorade contract, he said, I
Speaker 2: corrected a few grammatical errors and a few terms, he said,
Speaker 2: but for the most part, I can't charge you. He said,
Speaker 2: you did that. He really looked at me and was like, Bro,
Speaker 2: you did that. And what he did say about me
Speaker 2: that I thought was honorable. He said, David Banner, unlike
Speaker 2: most people, you handle business the.
Speaker 5: Same way you are in real life.
Speaker 2: Like, one of the hardest things for me is to
Speaker 2: negotiate with producers because I'm a producer. I say this
Speaker 2: all the time. Most Black people don't want to free
Speaker 2: the slaves. They want the opportunity to hold a whip.
Speaker 2: How am I gonna fuck over a young producer when
Speaker 2: I am a producer? That ain't God like to me?
Speaker 2: You feel me? So he was like, you're the same
Speaker 2: man in a contract that you are on the streets.
Speaker 2: And that's all I could ever ask in business, or
Speaker 2: in life or in the spiritual, real period. That's integrity
Speaker 2: right there.
Speaker 1: You brought up the word loneliness when we were talking
Speaker 1: about what it's like navigating through these spaces. What we
Speaker 1: don't talk about is the mental told that it takes
Speaker 1: when you're facing that by yourself, right, Like, we're going
Speaker 1: through something. Obviously we have each other, we have family
Speaker 1: around us. How are you navigating from a mental side
Speaker 1: because you're deep into consciousness? How was that for you
Speaker 1: navigating as you're trying to be strategic of where your
Speaker 1: next move's going to be.
Speaker 2: Oh man, it's hard for me to say because words
Speaker 2: are so powerful.
Speaker 5: I want to say, I want to say something.
Speaker 2: But when you say it, you manifested. You manifested. So
Speaker 2: it's sort of hard for me understanding that. You know,
Speaker 2: I navigated better, That's what I say. I didn't always
Speaker 2: navigate it well because in a lot of cases were
Speaker 2: the first people to do what we've done. Imagine how
Speaker 2: I felt in Mississippi going from being homeless. I literally
Speaker 2: went from being homeless to them announcing David Banner has
Speaker 2: a ten million dollar deal in the poor state and
Speaker 2: arguably the poor city in America. Jackson, Yeah, yeah, So
Speaker 2: for me to say that, you know, for people to
Speaker 2: say that, and for me to have to navigate, you know,
Speaker 2: not understanding taxes. But it's hard to explain to people.
Speaker 2: Just because you're intelligent, that doesn't mean that you know everything.
Speaker 2: You're intelligent in what you're great at. I didn't know
Speaker 2: nothing about taxes. And yes, I went to school in business,
Speaker 2: but name one place that they talk about taxes in
Speaker 2: business school. I went through the whole fucking curriculum. They
Speaker 2: don't teach you that, bro, And it's a game. So
Speaker 2: not only and bro, I'm glad that y'all asked me
Speaker 2: this question because I've never been able to say this before,
Speaker 2: and I feel comfortable enough to talk about here. And
Speaker 2: it also gives y'all something exclusive that I never said before.
Speaker 5: But like, Bro, I'm still a black man from the streets.
Speaker 5: I still gotta deal with street ship.
Speaker 2: So not only do I have to deal excuse me, Jordan,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna break I'm gonna break it for a second.
Speaker 2: Not only do I gotta deal with crackers, which is ignorant,
Speaker 2: I gotta deal with niggas too. So I gotta deal
Speaker 2: with racism. I gotta deal with street shit. I gotta
Speaker 2: deal with accountants. I gotta deal with lawyers. And then
Speaker 2: a lot of times the lawyers are incohoots with the accountants, Bro.
Speaker 2: And then your family and in the hood, you know,
Speaker 2: everybody feels ownership that's not even fair. And most and
Speaker 2: none of them bought a CD. That's the crazy thing.
Speaker 2: Say your music. You know, this is the text they
Speaker 2: don't talk about, Bro, and it's it's then and then
Speaker 2: watch this. Then you're blessed to a crude new information
Speaker 2: because now we're traveled. So, Bro, I'm in New York
Speaker 2: and I'm in college, and I'm all these different places
Speaker 2: getting knowledge yourself. I learned about Buddhism. And I'm from Mississippi,
Speaker 2: a Christian Christian Christian, and they tell you what you're
Speaker 2: going to hell forever ever ever, So imagine having to
Speaker 2: navigate through all of those spaces nine times out of
Speaker 2: tea and alone. I remember the women that I used
Speaker 2: to date. They used to always tell me this. Besides
Speaker 2: one young lady with two young ladies. It was one
Speaker 2: young lady from Saint Louis, from U City, and it
Speaker 2: was one lady, one young lady from here. She was
Speaker 2: from Hollis Queens. Those were the only two ladies that
Speaker 2: I ever ever dealt with that pushed my activism, the
Speaker 2: activism side of me. Most women will say, you got
Speaker 2: all this money, what you're worried about? That fun I'm always.
Speaker 5: Like, it's funny.
Speaker 2: I was telling those talking to my publicist team yesterday,
Speaker 2: we had a slight little tiff and I asked him.
Speaker 5: I was like, what's the only time did I act?
Speaker 2: The donkey? Tell me the only time I ever get
Speaker 2: upset is about the liberation of black people. You ain't
Speaker 2: never had no problems with me about nothing. So if
Speaker 2: people are treating my people right, you you never got
Speaker 2: to worry about me. So didn't think about that too,
Speaker 2: being an activist in Mississippi. Imagine hearing Brand Nubie and
Speaker 2: this to Do asked, I stopped eating pork and eleventh
Speaker 2: grade in Mississippi, thinking what my mom and dad they
Speaker 2: thought about me. Oh, you ain't gonna eat these pork
Speaker 2: chopp but you ain't gonna eat jack. But watch this though,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you all how much my mom and
Speaker 2: dad loved me. Once they found out that I was
Speaker 2: serious about not eating pork. My whole family stopped eating pork.
Speaker 2: I didn't notice that till I was a grown man.
Speaker 3: Bacon Mama cooked breakfast with no hall.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a moment even for us like that.
Speaker 1: I stopped too. That's crazy.
Speaker 3: So what made you stop being poor?
Speaker 1: I was listening to my brother stopped listening. He was
Speaker 1: listening to Brand Nubian. Obviously I'm listening to it because
Speaker 1: he listening to it. And I was like, all right,
Speaker 1: if he's gonna stop, then I'm gonnatop. Like this is
Speaker 1: like I'm like eighty nine years old.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you all what's amazing about hip hop? Man?
Speaker 2: Imagine this, bro. I was actually able to tell sadat
Speaker 2: because like a lot of times people still look at
Speaker 2: me as David Banner. A lot of people that I
Speaker 2: look up to actually look up to me, and I
Speaker 2: never thought that would ever be the case. Bro, Like
Speaker 2: I'm looking after them and they coming they asking me like,
Speaker 2: damn man, what did you learn this? What book? And
Speaker 2: how did you do this? But I was actually able
Speaker 2: to tell Sadat like, Bro, you the reason why I.
Speaker 5: Stopped eating poor Bro, you changed crazy.
Speaker 3: That's ill, that's fire. Let me ask you this. On
Speaker 3: the independent side, Snoop, I only met Snoop one time,
Speaker 3: and it was crazy because he gave a lot of
Speaker 3: game just in a very short period of time. One
Speaker 3: of the things that he said was is insightful. He
Speaker 3: was saying that we're talking about Beasts Ba Dre and
Speaker 3: you know everybody know that. I think Apple bord it
Speaker 3: for eight hundred million dollars something like that, and he
Speaker 3: was like, sometimes they'll buy you to shelf you, yeah,
Speaker 3: meaning like Beasts by Dre was lit. They had everybody,
Speaker 3: they had all the rappers, they had athletes there. You
Speaker 3: don't really see too much about beat by Dre now.
Speaker 3: So his Apple Apple Apple bought them. So he's his
Speaker 3: thing was like as soon as Apple buys Beats BA Dre,
Speaker 3: all you hear is iPod the AirPods. So they essentially
Speaker 3: brought the competition to kill the competition so they could
Speaker 3: push their products, which is AirPods as opposed to Beat
Speaker 3: by Dre.
Speaker 2: What have you heard that before?
Speaker 3: Though, Well, that's why I'm tying in with the music
Speaker 3: because like slim Thug is my guy, Like that's a
Speaker 3: personal friend of Austin. And he was saying, like how
Speaker 3: he kind of regretted going to a label because it's
Speaker 3: like the label, the allure of a label, like I
Speaker 3: got a deal, now I got to I got my
Speaker 3: own label under a label. But he was like, looking
Speaker 3: back on it, it was better to just stay the
Speaker 3: independent route. You think that that the music business has
Speaker 3: done that?
Speaker 2: Like of course that's what I was alluding to earlier.
Speaker 2: I even take it a step further. Okay, then all right,
Speaker 2: see y'all starting I'm trying to stay on business. All right,
Speaker 2: So peep this. Watch this. Watch this gonna blow your mind.
Speaker 2: It's funny because I saw part of it here. What
Speaker 2: was the big the Virgin megastore That was when I
Speaker 2: knew they won. Watched this so they sucked up all
Speaker 2: of the independent artists. First, gave us more money than
Speaker 2: we ever seen before. But what that is to them
Speaker 2: is a tax right off, right, because they make sure
Speaker 2: in most cases that we fail. And then the other
Speaker 2: rappers who were like me, unlike you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: If if if let's say many Fresh decided that he
Speaker 2: wanted to leave, right, I don't have to that problem
Speaker 2: because I produce. Also, if Baby decided to leave, then
Speaker 2: they don't have to worry about that because I run
Speaker 2: my business. I understand my business. If Wayne decided to leave,
Speaker 2: whether they rapper left or Julie decided to leave, a
Speaker 2: BG decided to leave, well I do the rappers. I
Speaker 2: do the rapping. So what ended up happening is is
Speaker 2: after they soaked, they gave all this money and we
Speaker 2: thought we had all of this money. And then the
Speaker 2: first thing that you all know, I didn't understand is
Speaker 2: what forty forty five percent of it is gone just
Speaker 2: in taxi Right, then you're catching up for all of
Speaker 2: the borrowing that you did and not having or getting
Speaker 2: your first house and car, getting your mom straight. What
Speaker 2: see long Green said that money be gone, So they
Speaker 2: did that. That was easy. Didn't watch what they did.
Speaker 2: I myself got a seventy thousand dollars check from Southwest Distribution.
Speaker 2: We didn't need the majors. We had Gonzales, we had Southwestern,
Speaker 2: We had distribution companies, real solid distribution companies. They soaked
Speaker 2: them up and bought them out. Then guess what they did.
Speaker 2: Black people learn how to get mom and pop stores,
Speaker 2: even though a lot of them was burning CDs in
Speaker 2: the back and bootlegging. But that was we even learned
Speaker 2: how to We actually learned how to press CDs the fact. Right,
Speaker 2: then they sucked up the mom and pop stores. I
Speaker 2: don't know if you'll remember when they would put the
Speaker 2: Feds started going to the mom and pop stores like
Speaker 2: they were really like they were selling drugs.
Speaker 5: Bro Right, So then they sucked up the mom and
Speaker 5: pop stores.
Speaker 2: Then after they sucked up the mom and pop stores,
Speaker 2: then they went for the major stores. Bro. We at
Speaker 2: Virgin all we got to doing, say the Virgin Mega
Speaker 2: Store bo literally and I know, I know, Jordan, but
Speaker 2: I gotta say it, bro Like the Virgin Mega Store
Speaker 2: was one of the few times besides walking into a
Speaker 2: strip club where I think I slightly had an orgasm
Speaker 2: when I would walking to the store leisurely, I mean
Speaker 2: just being a I mean just being up Bro. One
Speaker 2: thing that people don't understand about me, BRO, is I
Speaker 2: really loved hip hop. I really loved it. I really
Speaker 2: thought it was this real thing, Bro. I right like, BRO,
Speaker 2: and I peeped what they did to the game, BRO,
Speaker 2: and then we were okay with streaming after that. BRO.
Speaker 5: Like we It's just like, Bro, we are addicted to.
Speaker 2: Following our pressors, no matter how they treat us, no
Speaker 2: matter how bad they do us, we run behind them. BRO.
Speaker 2: I just left Forbes, and what I was telling them
Speaker 2: over there at Forbes was like, one of the sad
Speaker 2: things is that we get caught in the trends, no
Speaker 2: matter how detrimental those trends may beat us. Like I
Speaker 2: told them, there's nothing from a business standpoint that you
Speaker 2: can tell me that was positive about streaming. And you
Speaker 2: all are owned your business acumen, bro, at least at
Speaker 2: y'all age. BRO, I don't know too many people y'all
Speaker 2: ages that beat y'all on that side. Tell me one
Speaker 2: positive thing about streaming you were getting. I just told
Speaker 2: you I was getting ten dollars a CD two fractions
Speaker 2: of pennies to just allow somebody to play my music
Speaker 2: over and over again on their site. That's all streaming is.
Speaker 2: They just play up, perpetually play your shit over and
Speaker 2: over again, and then people tap into their site. What's
Speaker 2: smart about that?
Speaker 3: It's just psychological. Even Swiss Swiss Btest says something that
Speaker 3: was insightful off so with you know, he went to
Speaker 3: Harvard like that program that they have, and he was like,
Speaker 3: one thing that he picked up is that in business,
Speaker 3: you don't have to give somebody ownership, but you just
Speaker 3: make them feel like they have ownership in their work.
Speaker 3: So he equated that to labels. He's like, so when
Speaker 3: they started giving everybody a label, they felt empowered because
Speaker 3: now you're under a powered structure that you psychologically want
Speaker 3: to be under anyway, and they make you're still a worker,
Speaker 3: but you have a title of a CEO. So now
Speaker 3: all everybody got a label, but nobody has distribution, nobody
Speaker 3: has real ownership. But that's a way to keep everybody happy, satisfied.
Speaker 2: It's so crazy. Bro I wrote this thesis paper that
Speaker 2: directly correlated and connected slavery and the plantation two record labels,
Speaker 2: you know and and through me doing my and through
Speaker 2: me doing my research, I found that there was something
Speaker 2: that was called yard niggas. So you look at, well, no,
Speaker 2: the field niggas are the rappers, right, The yard niggas
Speaker 2: are the A and rs. The house niggas are the
Speaker 2: like the label execs right, and so bro, this you know,
Speaker 2: I had a partner that helped me in it, but
Speaker 2: it was genius and I may turn it into a
Speaker 2: book one day, bro, whether we know it or not. Bro,
Speaker 2: people act just like slaves and don't know it, like dude, Like,
Speaker 2: if you look at just getting a deal, usually when
Speaker 2: you look at getting hot in the hood as a
Speaker 2: rapper or as a beat producer, all that is is
Speaker 2: recruiting power, right, And what's the first thing you do
Speaker 2: when you go get power? You don't believe that you
Speaker 2: can wield that power, so you go find you a
Speaker 2: white dude to do it for you.
Speaker 5: Why couldn't a black person do it? Why couldn't you
Speaker 5: do it?
Speaker 2: Like? What is it? What is it? What is it
Speaker 2: about us that we can't create our own internet? Dog?
Speaker 2: Why you can't create your own store? Bro? And then
Speaker 2: as soon as we start figuring it out and be like, oh,
Speaker 2: we can do this shit.
Speaker 5: And I'll give y all a great example.
Speaker 2: And I blow people mind every time I tell them this.
Speaker 2: You remember when shooting a video a rap video was
Speaker 2: just like science, Like everybody was afraid to do it,
Speaker 2: and nobody thought it that it could be done. And
Speaker 2: somebody somewhere just went and got a fucking camera and
Speaker 2: shot that bitch. Everybody started shooting the music video. And
Speaker 2: it's starting to happen in movies now. Black folks are
Speaker 2: starting to say, like, oh damn, we can use this
Speaker 2: our phone and shoot a movie and put it up
Speaker 2: on tob what you can do to be yourself. So
Speaker 2: what ends up happening, bro, is like people won't admit
Speaker 2: that they still have slave mindsets. Bro. And the crazy
Speaker 2: thing is, I tell Black people this all the time,
Speaker 2: is we talk about Jesus all the time. Black folks
Speaker 2: get on they Jesus, kick Jesus, Jesus. But when anybody
Speaker 2: start acting like Jesus, we usually crucify ourselves. Anytime somebody said,
Speaker 2: well I'm gonna run this myself, well I'm gonna do this,
Speaker 2: or I'm gonna because I believe that, why would God
Speaker 2: allow us to be thinking beings thinking sentient beings. If
Speaker 2: it wasn't meant for us to challenge things, and so
Speaker 2: all of those people that ever challenged anything, they usually
Speaker 2: ended up dead or in jail. It's a fact. Language
Speaker 2: is important.
Speaker 1: And you use the word thought when you thought hip
Speaker 1: hop was it almost feels like you don't recognize it now?
Speaker 5: Or pop is imperialism? Have you fallen out of love
Speaker 5: with it?
Speaker 2: I have?
Speaker 5: I have, I have, Yes, I have. But let me
Speaker 5: tell you why I think God allowed me to.
Speaker 2: So watch this. Just like they created that feeling of
Speaker 2: hip hop that made us think that it was real,
Speaker 2: we can do that on the other end of spec
Speaker 2: on the other end of the spectrum. Me and Jordan.
Speaker 2: That's from my publishers team. We talked about it today.
Speaker 2: Imagine if I created a company that because all you
Speaker 2: got to do is create a company and get all
Speaker 2: our friends and all I thought about that, going to
Speaker 2: get Snoop, going to get Rahem Devn, getting all get
Speaker 2: krit and all of us. Put a company together and
Speaker 2: just make the splits equitable and then give other artists
Speaker 2: what they deserve. But we know that we want. Maybe
Speaker 2: God put us through what we were going through so
Speaker 2: we can be the person to do it. I don't
Speaker 2: think the story of Jesus was about a man coming
Speaker 2: down to bear a cross for you. I think it
Speaker 2: was about God coming in a physical form to show
Speaker 2: you how to bury your own cross. If I can
Speaker 2: come down here and be a man and do it,
Speaker 2: you can too. You remember the story of Jesus when
Speaker 2: he was walking on water and he had other people
Speaker 2: walking with him until they started doing what doubting. You
Speaker 2: are made out of the same stuff God has made
Speaker 2: out of. You think it, you do it. So why
Speaker 2: are we so scared? This is why it's the greatest
Speaker 2: time in history as business men. Because you all noticed.
Speaker 2: They thought we were crazy. They thought you all were
Speaker 2: crazy until you did it. Think about Bro, me doing
Speaker 2: hip hop in Mississippi. Bro, they thought I was crazy
Speaker 2: today sound like a pill, Bro. All God has to
Speaker 2: do is give you vision. People perish because of a
Speaker 2: lack of vision. Bro. We see it, and I want
Speaker 2: to tell you all this. This is very important.
Speaker 5: You must listen to me on this.
Speaker 2: Bro. Bro. We have to stop getting mad when people
Speaker 2: don't see our vision. If people see your vision, then
Speaker 2: it's general knowledge. Then you are no longer blessed. My
Speaker 2: mother always said, you are blessed. Being a visionary is
Speaker 2: a curse and a blessing. You're blessed to see other
Speaker 2: things that people can't see, but you're cursed to sit
Speaker 2: in them alone. I'm grateful for this deficit. I am
Speaker 2: grateful for this experience that we're having with Trump, because
Speaker 2: now we know that America cares nothing about the black
Speaker 2: man and woman. I was speaking at a female reproductive summit,
Speaker 2: and I think I scared a couple of people, but
Speaker 2: I told them the truth. I said, the first thing
Speaker 2: that you have to understand as a black woman is
Speaker 2: they don't want you to reproduce black kids anyway. So
Speaker 2: when you're wondering why we are dying at this rate,
Speaker 2: you gotta first understand that you keep going to their hospitals,
Speaker 2: you keep going to their mothers and fathers, and when
Speaker 2: they don't want you to have black children in the
Speaker 2: first place. So until you admit that, and I know
Speaker 2: it's scary, I know it's hard to digest, but until
Speaker 2: we understand that if we don't come back and save us,
Speaker 2: no one will Ain't nobody coming out the sky. Because
Speaker 2: if the way that I think about Jesus is true,
Speaker 2: Jesus already came down and showed you what to do.
Speaker 2: What he she or it got to come back for Bro.
Speaker 2: That's the reason why I want to be a billionaire.
Speaker 2: Most people want to be a billionaire so they can
Speaker 2: live in abundance. I want to be a billionaire because
Speaker 2: I want to free to people. Bro. I don't want
Speaker 2: nobody to have to go to Warner Brothers no more
Speaker 2: if they don't want to. I don't want kids to
Speaker 2: ever see a time where there's not a black Superman
Speaker 2: because they can come to a Banner vision And ain't
Speaker 2: it crazy speaking to Superman? How are you energized by
Speaker 2: the sun and you're actually practically you know, you're actually
Speaker 2: a battery incarnate? When white people they skin does what
Speaker 2: to the sun? It reached next the sun? They've run
Speaker 2: from the sun. How can Superman be white when it
Speaker 2: superpower is the Sun and y'all can't sit out in
Speaker 2: the sun five minutes without Dad thought, no, no, no, Actually,
Speaker 2: a white scientist I read an article a white scientist
Speaker 2: that there's no way possible that Superman is white. Knowing
Speaker 2: what you know, yeah, and what you study.
Speaker 1: We had this conversation with where I am the first
Speaker 1: thing we asked on was how do you sleep knowing
Speaker 1: that all of this but the other do you feel.
Speaker 2: As a threat to the opposition? All right, So I've
Speaker 2: grown spiritually where I don't hate anybody anymore. One thing
Speaker 2: that I realized is, first of all, you have to
Speaker 2: understand that these people came from Europe. It came from
Speaker 2: a cold climate where you know, there's not many resources,
Speaker 2: there's not much time. You know, if you don't if
Speaker 2: you don't plant at the right time in the right
Speaker 2: place and harvest and collect, it's cold seven you're like,
Speaker 2: what seven to eight nine months? So the scarcity martians, Yes,
Speaker 2: So like it's not just that the fact that they're biggest.
Speaker 2: So they're racists, are survival on this planet period, and
Speaker 2: they are the recessive gene. So I'm not emotional about it.
Speaker 2: So what I realized is, and be honest, guys, if
Speaker 2: it was a rattlesnake over there in that corner, you
Speaker 2: would and kiss that rattlesnake and there's.
Speaker 5: A rattlesnake bitch you in the mouth, would you be mad?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: Why not?
Speaker 3: You asked for it?
Speaker 2: Why would I be biting rattlesnake? And historically over and
Speaker 2: over again. You kiss a rattle snake in the mouth,
Speaker 2: it's gonna get bit right. So historically it's black people
Speaker 2: while we keep going over there by the rattle.
Speaker 3: So that brings up a good point because are you
Speaker 3: from Mississippi? So civil rights it's different. We all have
Speaker 3: different struggles in America. Racism no matter where you at happening.
Speaker 3: But the history of the South is different from the
Speaker 3: history of the North. I was just watching the movie
Speaker 3: Till for the first time, story of m Me tell
Speaker 3: if anybody hasn't seen it, to watch it. So being
Speaker 3: that you come from the South, right, you know, doctor CLAUDA. Anderson, Yes,
Speaker 3: So he brung up a good point where he was
Speaker 3: saying that he thought the civil rights movement was misguided
Speaker 3: because integration took out a lot of black businesses and
Speaker 3: it gave us an illusion of inclusion.
Speaker 2: Integration was worse than slavery. Talk about that, Okay, Well,
Speaker 2: if you look at slavery for what it is, we
Speaker 2: just lost the war that we didn't know that we
Speaker 2: were in. I mean, that just happens. Really, if you
Speaker 2: really look at it for what it is. It's just
Speaker 2: whether it would have been Native Americans, whether it would
Speaker 2: have been the Irish people. Whoever, it would have been
Speaker 2: the reason why we ended up being who we were.
Speaker 2: And the pecking order is because we survived and because
Speaker 2: we're children in the sun, so we are children of
Speaker 2: the sun, so we can last in the sun. We
Speaker 2: were more.
Speaker 5: Durable as just human beings in period.
Speaker 2: Right, So the problem is is that in the mechanism
Speaker 2: of slavery, if you have the chains on, you always
Speaker 2: know that you have to escape. Integration gave us the
Speaker 2: illusion of winning. It's the same way that I feel
Speaker 2: about the devil. People get mad at me because I said,
Speaker 2: I don't believe the devil exists. I believe that white
Speaker 2: people gave you the devil so that you won't realize
Speaker 2: that you are the problem. If you always think it's
Speaker 2: something outside of yourself, you will never correct yourself. You'll
Speaker 2: always put it on an external entity. And if you
Speaker 2: really do believe in God, in one God, why would
Speaker 2: you ever compare anything to the most high? Why would
Speaker 2: you even have it? In the same sentence, right, you
Speaker 2: are the problem. We are our own problems in business
Speaker 2: and spirituality, in everything. For me, I just realized, bro
Speaker 2: that this is so powerful.
Speaker 5: Watch this y'all gonna love this. What is the name
Speaker 5: of y'all company?
Speaker 2: Earn your leisure? You gotta fucking earn it. It ain't
Speaker 2: coming from nowhere. Unless you earn it, you will never
Speaker 2: have the leisure that you are looking for. Hold on
Speaker 2: for a second, let's pause.
Speaker 1: This is a message brought to you by that was
Speaker 1: dope as fucking numbers be in the movies with some
Speaker 1: black and white shit.
Speaker 2: Bro thought about that in my hand and I was like, Yo,
Speaker 2: that's dope as fuck. This is a message pro to you, Boden.
Speaker 3: David.
Speaker 2: But I'm serious though, Bro. I thought of like I
Speaker 2: was thinking about like that. Damn, that's dope. Like, we
Speaker 2: have to earn our leisure. We have to earn our freedom, Bro.
Speaker 2: And the thing is is, Bro, the real truth is
Speaker 2: that we're gonna have to suffer for a while. You know.
Speaker 2: If you think about most people that come to America, Bro,
Speaker 2: like they'll sleep ten twelve to a house. One person
Speaker 2: that get successful, he'll go buy a house, bring five
Speaker 2: people over there.
Speaker 3: And it's not integration. We a few blocks away from
Speaker 3: Chinatown right now. There's no integration in Chinatown. You go
Speaker 3: to Chinatown and it is only Mandarin that's spoken and
Speaker 3: you go to like different parts. They've integrated in the
Speaker 3: greater society of America, but they're very intentional about maintaining
Speaker 3: and they're not They're unapologized. It's crazy Indian culture. I went,
Speaker 3: we went to London. We stayed in the W Hotel
Speaker 3: in Soho. Now we didn't know that that was Chinatown.
Speaker 3: So the uber driver was taking us there and they
Speaker 3: was like, why are you staying in W, Like it's
Speaker 3: a W. They're like, well, only Chinese people stay there,
Speaker 3: but the W is not a Chinese hotel. So I'm like, well,
Speaker 3: he's like, well the owner of that W is Chinese,
Speaker 3: so that's not even a Chinese brand. But they they
Speaker 3: when they come to London, you know, and they don't
Speaker 3: they don't got to be told to do that. It's natural, right,
Speaker 3: So it's like that's something that we can't wait to
Speaker 3: go away from everything.
Speaker 5: Like I know some guys that are doing some work
Speaker 5: in Africa.
Speaker 2: That's I do my research too. We're not gonna go
Speaker 2: there this. Yeah, I appreciate the research, No bro, I
Speaker 2: appreciate that. Yes, no, no, I was actually doing some
Speaker 2: similar business and and just I was doing some similar business.
Speaker 2: And that's what I'm saying, Bro. People are looking to
Speaker 2: help us. We just have to find them. We just
Speaker 2: have to.
Speaker 5: Travel, bro.
Speaker 2: And when you start traveling and looking, Bro, I'm saying
Speaker 2: from a spiritual standpoint, you what they always say, like,
Speaker 2: you take a step to God.
Speaker 5: God take a you know, eight nine ten to you.
Speaker 3: But is that marketing to like, even with the label right,
Speaker 3: is that marketing where we just feel is that white
Speaker 3: supremacy where we feel like if we get included in
Speaker 3: white power structure, that's the ultimate goal. So we'll run
Speaker 3: away from black inclusion.
Speaker 2: So I'll tell you something, and I hope that by
Speaker 2: me giving you this example, it'll make it a little
Speaker 2: bit clearer. So have you all ever heard in football
Speaker 2: when they say that white quarterbacks are smarter? Okay, so
Speaker 2: white quarterbacks are not smarter, they just are not as
Speaker 2: physical as black people are. I think it was Bill Burr.
Speaker 2: He said it like if a white quarterback could jump
Speaker 2: over a linebacker, he would, but he can't. A white
Speaker 2: quarterback Like, as an animal, you're gonna run first, you're
Speaker 2: gonna jump first, you're gonna fight first. But if you
Speaker 2: can't run, you're gonna have to think so. I mean,
Speaker 2: it wasn't no need for Mike Vick to think about nothing.
Speaker 2: He would just outrun you. What animals? Do you understand
Speaker 2: what I'm saying? So, I think what ends up happening
Speaker 2: is because white people are not as a whole. I'm
Speaker 2: not saying that there's not individuals as talented as we are.
Speaker 2: They have to think of mechanisms. I watched the NBA
Speaker 2: do it all the time. Since they can't play the
Speaker 2: game no more, then they find a way to always
Speaker 2: change the rules. That's when the play in tournaments and
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff, because they have to find
Speaker 2: a way to be involved in the game because they
Speaker 2: can't jump or coach. Again. Yeah, but even now we're
Speaker 2: getting close, because there's no way that.
Speaker 5: Mark Jackson is not coaching somewhere.
Speaker 2: Bro. Come on. But for me, Bro, I realize that
Speaker 2: that is all well and fine, because I truly believe this, Bro.
Speaker 2: I believe that a very wise man from out of
Speaker 2: Philadelphia told me is Bro. He said that all these
Speaker 2: things that happened are just to bring us closer to God.
Speaker 2: That's all all this is for, is that if we
Speaker 2: would take the lesson and earn our leisure then at
Speaker 2: the end of the day, bro Like, with all of
Speaker 2: this stuff going on with Trump, and we would take
Speaker 2: the message that people are not going to help us.
Speaker 2: We keep looking for DEI like, why would you want
Speaker 2: to be around somebody that don't want to help you.
Speaker 5: I don't understand this, bro.
Speaker 2: Like.
Speaker 5: There's a restaurant in Atlanta that Tip and Ernestine.
Speaker 2: They boycotted. And I know for sure because my ex
Speaker 2: girlfriend spent seventy eight thousand dollars a year because when
Speaker 2: she didn't want to have meetings in her office, she
Speaker 2: would go there.
Speaker 5: I know the story.
Speaker 2: She told me as much money as as she spent
Speaker 2: in there. How racist those people were. I have not
Speaker 2: been in that restaurant in ten years. I'm never going back.
Speaker 2: When people show you who they are. If a company
Speaker 2: doesn't believe that DI is the thing that they're supposed
Speaker 2: to do because it's the right thing to do, I
Speaker 2: don't want you to do it because somebody is pressuring you.
Speaker 2: That means that we shouldn't buy them. And the thing
Speaker 2: about it is is whenever you remove your money and
Speaker 2: your attention, they'll get right. My opinion, you.
Speaker 1: Brought up a big grit and shout out to Big
Speaker 1: Crit Historic run Man legendary felt like that was a
Speaker 1: pathway for them, and it's kind of been like a
Speaker 1: hiatus form and music for the past few years. And
Speaker 1: you said something important. You've beverly intentionally did that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and helped you house.
Speaker 2: So Big Crit. When I was going through my depression,
Speaker 2: Big Crit was actually the person that told me, you know,
Speaker 2: to look at your environment sometimes in a spiritual way.
Speaker 2: It's the environment. Also the house that you're in. You
Speaker 2: don't know who lived in it before. You don't know
Speaker 2: if it's the people that you brought into your house,
Speaker 2: if their spirits are still lingering. Like it's all of
Speaker 2: these things that our grandmother's understand, and it's the things
Speaker 2: that I think they were trying to hint on in
Speaker 2: centers that because of conventional religion and one thing that
Speaker 2: I hate, I just got to say this, and Jordan,
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna go too far into this, but like
Speaker 2: we always jump on these spiritual boats about what other
Speaker 2: religions do, but we have not like really made people
Speaker 2: stand on what they did to us under the guise
Speaker 2: of the conventional religions that we believe in in America.
Speaker 2: If you look at the continent of Africa. It's not
Speaker 2: chopped up because of who believed in what God. It's
Speaker 2: chopped up because of the oppressors who won won the
Speaker 2: wars in those places. In most cases, people were not
Speaker 2: Christian because they wanted to be Christian. It was Christians
Speaker 2: because they're Christian conquerors conquered that land, or Muslim conquerors
Speaker 2: conquered that land. If they're if the if they're if
Speaker 2: they're not believing in the indigenous religion of that land.
Speaker 2: And it really wasn't a religion, it was a way
Speaker 2: of life. If you look at most African people, you
Speaker 2: look at most native people anywhere you go, they believed
Speaker 2: that God was in everything. And if you look at
Speaker 2: the indigenous Asian people, it was very similar to African people.
Speaker 2: You understand what I'm saying, bro, Like everywhere we go
Speaker 2: and so we get into these religious things, bro, and
Speaker 2: not understand how we are controlled. Bro. I love the
Speaker 2: implications of sinners, and I understood what they meant by
Speaker 2: us tapping back into what our grandmothers believe in. You know,
Speaker 2: I don't mind you know, you believing in the religion
Speaker 2: you believed in, but if you haven't tested it if
Speaker 2: you haven't done the research, if you haven't translated, because
Speaker 2: they've lied about everything on this planet, Bro, and how
Speaker 2: and how that transfers into business. I'll answer a question
Speaker 2: that you asked me earlier that I sort of got
Speaker 2: away from. I believe that the reason why black people
Speaker 2: continue to forgive people is because Jesus looked like them.
Speaker 2: If Jesus looked like us, maybe we would forgive us
Speaker 2: or the black bank that made one mistake, when the
Speaker 2: white bank make a thousand mistakes and you forget it
Speaker 2: them every day, Hines ketchup make for.
Speaker 3: The portrayal of Jesus, the white Jesus with blue eyes
Speaker 3: and blind headed. You're one of the most dangerous things
Speaker 3: that's ever happened on this planet.
Speaker 2: I had. I had a d We were building out
Speaker 2: in front of of a store in Atlanta, and dude
Speaker 2: said something so powerful to me, Bro that it still
Speaker 2: shakes me to this day.
Speaker 5: He says that he said that Jesus exists.
Speaker 2: Whether Jesus existed or not, the most powerful person on
Speaker 2: this planet, it's Jesus. The most powerful book on this
Speaker 2: planet is the Bible. Whether it's right or wrong. We're
Speaker 2: not gonna argue that that's not my place. So if
Speaker 2: you believe that they hold the key to God, then
Speaker 2: you're always gonna forget them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2: And you always don't think they water is weather.
Speaker 3: You're always going to think that you're they're superior. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's natural. Like I read a book one time. This
Speaker 3: guy who's a refugee from this Let me.
Speaker 2: Ask you a question about him real quick, bro, He says,
Speaker 2: the coldest ship in the world, right, and doesn't break
Speaker 2: face every No, bro, I just saw your mama principle
Speaker 2: at the school. Deal with that information.
Speaker 3: Do what you want.
Speaker 2: But he just said the coldest sitting looked me in mind,
Speaker 2: didn't break character. Use me when I say shit, I'd
Speaker 2: be like that shit, don't that'sh He was like, no, no,
Speaker 2: they control your mind. You think they're superior. Let's continue
Speaker 2: on five four three two.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 3: But so the guy was from the suit in and
Speaker 3: he had never saw a white person before ever, and
Speaker 3: so he was like ten years old and then like
Speaker 3: a missionary somebody from the un So a white person
Speaker 3: came into his village and he said when he saw
Speaker 3: him the first person, the first thing that he thought
Speaker 3: that he had died because he thought that this was
Speaker 3: God Jesus. And the only reason why he thought that
Speaker 3: is because up until that point, the only portrait that
Speaker 3: he's ever seen of white people was Jesus, a white Jesus.
Speaker 3: So he automatically connected the first white person where he
Speaker 3: that he saw to God. So imagine the grace that
Speaker 3: you're going to give somebody psychologically, right, the grace that
Speaker 3: you're gonna give somebody psychologically if you think that their
Speaker 3: God or the equivalent to God. And then imagine the
Speaker 3: disdain that you'll have for somebody who think is the
Speaker 3: direct opposite of that.
Speaker 2: And then the deep part to that is even when
Speaker 2: there when even though their book tells you his skin
Speaker 2: was like burnt copper hair, you know, like, yeah, good,
Speaker 2: that sounds like a Rastafarian to me. Bro, No, I'm
Speaker 2: that serious.
Speaker 3: But it also it also shows you how powerful art is.
Speaker 3: That's what that is is art, right, that's a portrait
Speaker 3: of SZR. Borgos Son. And so the art is more
Speaker 3: important than the text because, like you said, you can
Speaker 3: read the text, but that visual painting over overrides what's
Speaker 3: actually in the text.
Speaker 2: So we played one word game, just me and just me,
Speaker 2: and you do the counsel of Naicia. Yes, I can't
Speaker 2: even have that conversation Like, that's what I'm telling you
Speaker 2: about the stuff that I learned about. Bro, I can't
Speaker 2: even have these conversations with my friends with my mother.
Speaker 5: Bro, Like, you just got to sit on that, Bro.
Speaker 2: And that's where your relationship with God is so important, man,
Speaker 2: because Bro, my grandmother died thinking she was free. My
Speaker 2: grandma actually died happy and bro Like for me, Man Like,
Speaker 2: I am so grateful that if nothing else, Bro is
Speaker 2: that I know. And I'm also grateful that people consider me.
Speaker 2: That's one thing that I can say about my relationship
Speaker 2: with hip hop that I don't know if anybody else
Speaker 2: on hip hop had.
Speaker 5: People at least consider me.
Speaker 2: Bro. I don't know why. I don't know what I've
Speaker 2: done to earn that, man, but I am so grateful
Speaker 2: to God. Bro. I speak this in Christian churches in
Speaker 2: Mississippi and not get strung up and black people be like,
Speaker 2: you might not let you come back here no more,
Speaker 2: but at least you get to walk out. But no, Bro,
Speaker 2: get out of there. But I'm serious, Like, black people
Speaker 2: consider me, Bro, and I am so grateful man to
Speaker 2: be that. You know, I don't. I don't know what
Speaker 2: to do with it. I try, BRO, But like, I'll
Speaker 2: tell y'all something only because I'm enjoying this interview so much. Bro.
Speaker 5: But like, Bro, it's hard on me.
Speaker 2: Bro. I didn't lost over twelve million dollars Bro because
Speaker 2: of my activism, my opportunities.
Speaker 5: Not just opportunities.
Speaker 2: Bro. But you gotta think, man, Like, let's just be honest. BRO.
Speaker 2: I get my money from Disney. Bro, I give my
Speaker 2: money from PepsiCo.
Speaker 4: Bro.
Speaker 2: Like, I'm just being honest with you. And like, black people,
Speaker 2: for some reason, think that money comes from some imaginary place.
Speaker 2: When you're activist, it don't. Bro. If it don't come
Speaker 2: from you, it don't happen. That's why again, I am
Speaker 2: going to sing you all's praises.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 2: You found you all found a way to galvanize the
Speaker 2: people and make them excited about spending money with other
Speaker 2: black people. That's powerful, Gee, that is powerful.
Speaker 1: How have you responded when you're face being tested? I
Speaker 1: think that's when you really find out who you are spiritually, right,
Speaker 1: So like in the moments, especially dealing with the music
Speaker 1: industry and just dealing with life over the course of time,
Speaker 1: how has that been for you, Okay, ask the question.
Speaker 2: In a more direct way with one sentence, because this
Speaker 2: is very important and I want to make sure that
Speaker 2: I answer it in the right way. I'll say, like this,
Speaker 2: how about this? Have you always been this develot? Have
Speaker 2: you grown to it?
Speaker 1: And in times of questioning your faith or challenging your faith?
Speaker 2: How is that shape to you? All? That's actually worse? No,
Speaker 2: but I got it, man. So the amazing thing to
Speaker 2: me about God is sort of like your dad bro,
Speaker 2: like fathers bro, like you think about the teachers that
Speaker 2: really loved you. Now that we've grown, I had this
Speaker 2: new thing. You have to make a choice as a parent.
Speaker 2: And I'm not even a parent yet. Your children can
Speaker 2: like you when they're young and not respect you when
Speaker 2: they're grown, because they'd be like, that's some bullshit. You
Speaker 2: should have stayed on my ass, Like or you cannot
Speaker 2: spare the rod, they say, spare the rod quick in
Speaker 2: the child to the grave. Right, So your kids cannot
Speaker 2: like you when their children and then respect you when
Speaker 2: they grown. I remember beinging the Butcher saying that on
Speaker 2: my podcast. He said he went back to his hood
Speaker 2: and checked his OJ's. Can't I say nigga. He was like, nigga,
Speaker 2: how y'all had as selling dope at ten, y'all was
Speaker 2: supposed to be fathers. Bro, how y'all let us take
Speaker 2: those penitentiary chances at fourteen?
Speaker 5: Bro response, He didn't tell me what the response was.
Speaker 2: But I thought that was so brave. He said, he
Speaker 2: really went back and checked his OJZ BRO. So what
Speaker 2: I'm saying is is that since God loves us, sometimes
Speaker 2: I can equate my struggle to the amount of love
Speaker 2: and how much God trusts me with that mantle, bro,
Speaker 2: or with that responsibility. Excuse me. So, like what I'm
Speaker 2: learning now, and this is just my opinion, y'all, faith
Speaker 2: in God is not jumping off of the mountain, because
Speaker 2: you could just be a fucking food and jump off
Speaker 2: the mountain. The real test is you jumping off the mountain,
Speaker 2: God letting you fall face first on the concrete and
Speaker 2: number one, you didn't understand that you survived, number one,
Speaker 2: but waiting to see if you was gonna curse his
Speaker 2: or her or its name and then give you wings
Speaker 2: to fly. That's what I'm learning that real faith is
Speaker 2: not just jumping off the mountain. Now when stuff don't work,
Speaker 2: your way when you don't get it exactly when you
Speaker 2: want to, and then realize that when if you would
Speaker 2: have got it when you wanted to, you would have
Speaker 2: wrecked it anyway. So when I am learning about it
Speaker 2: is to stop asking God why and ask God What's
Speaker 2: I just while you said it, I mean, but did
Speaker 2: it click? Clicked?
Speaker 1: Because it made me think of when Lupe says struggle
Speaker 1: another sign that God loves you.
Speaker 2: That's a bar. That's his penitentiary. That ain't just a bar,
Speaker 2: that's the whole penitentiary. You can build a penitentiary off
Speaker 2: that one. Yeah, you was about to.
Speaker 3: Say something mental health, because you too.
Speaker 2: I'm a fucking wreck dog, I know, I just said.
Speaker 2: I didn't want to say it. I'm a fucking red.
Speaker 3: You spoke about work in progress.
Speaker 2: Language is important. I just wanted to let it go
Speaker 2: one time, bro.
Speaker 3: But you spoke about you spoke about, you know, depression.
Speaker 3: But there's a lot of people, especially men right that
Speaker 3: are going through things that they can't identify what it is,
Speaker 3: and b they're going through things and they don't know
Speaker 3: how to seek help. So my question is, how did
Speaker 3: you identify you was in that place and how did
Speaker 3: you seek the help to get out of that well one.
Speaker 2: Truthfully, I'm not a rape man. I'm actually very proud
Speaker 2: of the man that I am I'm becoming, and I
Speaker 2: am grateful also that the blessings that I did think
Speaker 2: that I wanted. Bro, If I would have got him earlier,
Speaker 2: I would have messed it up, bro. Like I honestly thinking,
Speaker 2: and I'm not just saying this because I'm on y'all show,
Speaker 2: I really believe it. I believe why should God bless
Speaker 2: me with the financial opulence that I leave that I
Speaker 2: deserve when I would have just gave it to them
Speaker 2: through not paying my taxes anyway, like some things we
Speaker 2: won't were not ready for him. Maybe God and then
Speaker 2: bless us with him because he share it, knew that
Speaker 2: it would be a nightmare, so that we have to
Speaker 2: be prepared to receive it, because if not, then you're
Speaker 2: just to conduit to bless your enemy because they just
Speaker 2: gonna take it away from you from not being prepared,
Speaker 2: not being well read, not understanding accounting, not understanding taxes,
Speaker 2: all of these things. We want all of this money, bro,
Speaker 2: but we don't do the things to earn our leisure. Damn.
Speaker 2: That's though but what was the question more directly, like.
Speaker 3: How did you know you was depressed? How did you
Speaker 3: seek help to get out of that the pressure?
Speaker 2: So I found out from my therapist that sometimes not
Speaker 2: all the time that your the brain protects you from
Speaker 2: all the trauma that we've been through. And you wonder why,
Speaker 2: because this is one of the things that I tripped on.
Speaker 2: And I never said this in public either, but I'm
Speaker 2: having such a great time. Bro, y'all doing a great job. Bro.
Speaker 2: I was tripping because I was depressed, and I was like, Bro,
Speaker 2: I've been in shootouts, I've been homeless and happy and
Speaker 2: all this stuff. Bro, Like, why am I tripping now? Bro?
Speaker 2: I gotta bent me outside? What I am I tripping? Like?
Speaker 2: I'm dating models? And bro, if I want to go
Speaker 2: to Japan right now? Matter of fact, I knew a
Speaker 2: way if I wanted to go out of space, I
Speaker 2: can afford to go out of space. Literally, maybe not
Speaker 2: twelve times, but I go out of space one time.
Speaker 2: I got that kind of bread right. But what I
Speaker 2: realized is that the human brain protected us until we
Speaker 2: got into space where we could handle it, and then
Speaker 2: the brain was like, okay, now you got a little
Speaker 2: bit of bread. Deal with that that happened to you
Speaker 2: when you were nine, Deal with your mama leaving you outside,
Speaker 2: you know, and you're being adopted. This didn't happen to me.
Speaker 2: But I'm just saying. And so I just started getting
Speaker 2: to the point, man, where I think I had the
Speaker 2: mental space when you in the streets, Bro, like we
Speaker 2: was in the streets, you didn't have no time to
Speaker 2: worry because other stuff was happening daily all the time,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. And so I started realizing, Man,
Speaker 2: that I was in the space. I had the means too.
Speaker 2: And then the other side of this, I have talked
Speaker 2: about this in other places. I am realizing. And I'm
Speaker 2: not a therapist, So y'all go and talk to your therapist.
Speaker 2: Don't put this on David Benner also found that one
Speaker 2: of the things that we think is depression, that's not
Speaker 2: always depressing. Depression is us breaking the programming. Like, Bro,
Speaker 2: we have been lied to, not just by white people,
Speaker 2: not just by America, but by parents who was giving
Speaker 2: us the best stuff that they possibly could. But a
Speaker 2: lot of that stuff is lies, Bro, And so a
Speaker 2: lot of times, Bro, if you have been and I
Speaker 2: talked about this today, movies and television are what television programming.
Speaker 2: We are being programmed every day. And this is one
Speaker 2: thing that as much knowledge itself, as much social and
Speaker 2: financial literacy that you all may be giving people, you
Speaker 2: can't beat Fox Network, not yet. We on our way,
Speaker 2: but they can program, they can tell but that Christopher
Speaker 2: Columbus discovering America. That's a damn lie. So a lot
Speaker 2: of times, bro, we are breaking. It's actually what we
Speaker 2: feel is depression is actually us healing. The same way
Speaker 2: I realized when I fast A lot of the times
Speaker 2: when I think I need to go eat, it's actually
Speaker 2: the impurities coming out of my body. I don't need
Speaker 2: to put any more in there. I just need to
Speaker 2: wait for a minute. So I started realizing, man, that
Speaker 2: you know, I had to break myself. I had to
Speaker 2: allow the most high to totally run his, her or
Speaker 2: its course with me. Bro, And then I'm all right,
Speaker 2: and that you all are doing a good job, bro,
Speaker 2: just for us to wake up every day and get
Speaker 2: at it again. Y'all doing a good job. You know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. Sweetye, As much as you peek over
Speaker 2: here and look at me, because I do smell good.
Speaker 2: And that I'm handsome, the fact that you can restrain
Speaker 2: yourself and not total.
Speaker 3: No'm just joking.
Speaker 2: That might be somebody, girlfriend, I'm just joking. But no,
Speaker 2: like we are surviving man. And to be honest with you, Bro,
Speaker 2: I don't know how I made it through. I had
Speaker 2: an assistant once he told me. He said, David, if
Speaker 2: I knew for a fact that I could make it
Speaker 2: and all of my dreams could come true, but I
Speaker 2: had to go through what you went through. He said,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't do it. Bro. I've been through it, dog,
Speaker 2: But I'm here. Bro. Bro, I look better than I
Speaker 2: did when I was twenty seven years old. Bro, I
Speaker 2: am stronger than I've ever been in my life. Brom
Speaker 2: making so much fucking money, dog, like it's coming to me. Bro.
Speaker 2: And it's so crazy, Bro, because a lot of people
Speaker 2: about finances and opulence and say that it's evil.
Speaker 5: It is not, Bro. It is what you allow it
Speaker 5: to be.
Speaker 2: And Bro, when I started vibrating on the right level,
Speaker 2: getting around the right people, reading the right information, and
Speaker 2: I just want to say this, I don't know if
Speaker 2: you all disagree with me or not, but as I'm
Speaker 2: moving to that next level of life, most people who
Speaker 2: deal in money at the level that we're dealing with now,
Speaker 2: then people will never give you the secrets, the real
Speaker 2: secrets to allow you to be their competition. They won't.
Speaker 2: If you look at other financial books, it's usually never
Speaker 2: written by the person that's on the cover. They will
Speaker 2: give you enough to be successful so you can can
Speaker 2: continue reading their books and consuming their information. But the
Speaker 2: real truth, BRO, you gotta get around people that know stuff,
Speaker 2: or you got to try and fail over and over
Speaker 2: again until you can piece the equation together. Bro. That's
Speaker 2: what I'm learning. BRO. You just you gotta get out
Speaker 2: there and make them mistakes or go and find people. BRO.
Speaker 5: I invested in a cold fusion company.
Speaker 2: And my friends were like, what the fuck? Give what
Speaker 2: you know about confusion? Nothing? But I add that did
Speaker 2: buy me the opportunity to get into our generation's Einstein.
Speaker 2: I met that guy, the people that I was around,
Speaker 2: and I'll tell you all this too a lot of times,
Speaker 2: because people will never tell you all this. When you're
Speaker 2: dealing with people who are in money at that level,
Speaker 2: they're usually going to try to make you do something,
Speaker 2: to sacrifice something to make sure that you're worthy of
Speaker 2: being around them. Bro.
Speaker 5: It's like dude told me.
Speaker 2: He was like, Bro, you got to get a ticket
Speaker 2: to Australia if you want this opportunity. And it's like
Speaker 2: a fourteen day turnaround. That had never been to Australia before,
Speaker 2: out straight out the hood. Bro, I can't lie. I
Speaker 2: was scared. I ain't know nobody over there. But what
Speaker 2: made me do it was I had thrown that amount
Speaker 2: of money that they were asking for the initial investment. Bro.
Speaker 2: I had thrown that.
Speaker 5: In the club in Magic City, and BRO, show enough.
Speaker 2: As soon as I made that sacrifice, Bro, they open up.
Speaker 2: That's why I learned about the law of attraction. That's
Speaker 2: why I learned. BRO. Like them people if you vibrate
Speaker 2: on the right level, you walk into like let's say
Speaker 2: if I brought you, they know how.
Speaker 5: They know that I know how they are about the circle.
Speaker 2: Right, and they'll come over there and they'll ask you.
Speaker 2: They'll be like, what you do for a living? You know,
Speaker 2: all in a company, they earn your leisure. We're trying
Speaker 2: to you know this. They'd be like, all right, next thing,
Speaker 2: you know, they'll hand your phone and it'll be the
Speaker 2: CEO or the biggest company in the world and what
Speaker 2: they told me is that they don't want it back
Speaker 2: from me. They get it back from the universe if
Speaker 2: you're a right person, like they they the only thing
Speaker 2: they didn't like about me was my music. It's like,
Speaker 2: you gotta stop doing that music. It's negative, Like we
Speaker 2: don't really do negative, but you're so special. And they
Speaker 2: were the ones that taught me that I came back
Speaker 2: to America and started doing my black friends the way
Speaker 2: that they taught me. Like, Bro, if you writing a movie,
Speaker 2: I got a house in Mississippi that I never go to. Bro,
Speaker 2: won't you go down there and just just go down
Speaker 2: there and write your movie? Here go my keys. The
Speaker 2: only thing I asked is whatever money that you was
Speaker 2: gonna pay to rent a car or whatever get at
Speaker 2: to this organization. That's the type of people that I
Speaker 2: started being around, Bro, And when I started living that
Speaker 2: kind of life, Bro, money and opportunity just came to me.
Speaker 2: That's probably we got to meet them. They hard to meet.
Speaker 2: But let me tell you one other thing that they
Speaker 2: do that I think is dope. Bro. They'll get together
Speaker 2: and we don't think like this. They'll all get together
Speaker 2: and be like, Yo, let's let's go to Europe. They'll
Speaker 2: be like that, all right, man, what you would have
Speaker 2: paid for the w Let's all put our money together
Speaker 2: and rent a castle. That's the kind of shit that
Speaker 2: is genius and in actuality when you really look at
Speaker 2: it and put it together. The castle would probably end
Speaker 2: up being cheaper if it's twelve of us and they
Speaker 2: when we're barling in the castle. Bro.
Speaker 5: But we want to keep it to ourselves, and that's slavery.
Speaker 2: Stunning is a habit. You like me?
Speaker 1: Well, there is one book that kind of debunks what
Speaker 1: you just said.
Speaker 2: You deserve to be rich, written.
Speaker 1: By Troy Millings and Rachell Blow you the town's bestseller
Speaker 1: for the record.
Speaker 3: You're going by it rich boys, for sure, but.
Speaker 2: Y'all the one that's doing it though. So you all
Speaker 2: are the exception to the rule. And that's the only
Speaker 2: reason why I'm here. Just love my brother.
Speaker 3: I appreciate you, David Banner. Ladies and gentlemen. Always a
Speaker 3: pleasure that any time we get to chop it. I mean,
Speaker 3: we got we gotta speak more often, man.
Speaker 2: But this is special. I can't wait to see this.
Speaker 2: Just one more question before we leave, one more because
Speaker 2: I don't know it's something that I'm missing. I feel
Speaker 2: like I'm missing.
Speaker 1: Well, I was trying to get the Krit story out.
Speaker 1: We kind of went around it. We really didn't answer
Speaker 1: none of the questions. But I brought it back up
Speaker 1: because we were having a conversation before we started, and
Speaker 1: I was like, stop, I want the people to hear that,
Speaker 1: because it was important for a couple of reasons. Number one, brotherhood,
Speaker 1: but the other one was introspection and retrospect, like, I'm
Speaker 1: looking at this differently because a contemporary has showed me
Speaker 1: something I didn't though.
Speaker 2: Well, Bro, I honestly think that Krick is one of
Speaker 2: the dopest artists on his planet. And I've told him
Speaker 2: this to his face so I can say it on camera.
Speaker 2: I had to tell Krit that you are a generational talent.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: He reminds me of BB King.
Speaker 2: He reminds me of just Bro. Just just some artists
Speaker 2: that take a minute, Bro, you know, but they're going
Speaker 2: to be here for the rest of their life. If
Speaker 2: Krick chose to rap at eighty, I think he would
Speaker 2: be just fine. Bro. And so I told Krick man, like,
Speaker 2: you gotta star competing, Bro, You ain't got to compete
Speaker 2: with them.
Speaker 5: They are not you.
Speaker 2: They'll had this moment think about all those artists that
Speaker 2: was so much more successful than me when I came out,
Speaker 2: but they couldn't give away an album. They would pay
Speaker 2: y'all to get on here and couldn't get on here. Bro.
Speaker 5: And so that's the type of artist that Krit is.
Speaker 2: And so me and Krit talk a lot, bro, and
Speaker 2: Krit told me he was like, I'll tell you the
Speaker 2: most important thing he told me. And I ain't even
Speaker 2: know that Chris thought about me this way. Krit was like, Banner,
Speaker 2: no matter what you do, you are a threat to America,
Speaker 2: he said. Whether you he said, whether you were revolutionary
Speaker 2: or not, whether you spoke your mind or not. You
Speaker 2: are six foot two, articulate, thoughtful black man. That's a problem,
Speaker 2: you know. And when I was going through my depression,
Speaker 2: Krit was the one that told me that I probably
Speaker 2: need to move out of my house.
Speaker 5: I probably would have still been in.
Speaker 2: That house depressed. He said, like, Bro, like it was
Speaker 2: a big house, Bro, like a big, beautiful house. And
Speaker 2: he was like, Bro, you don't know what spirits are
Speaker 2: in there, and it may be the house. And I
Speaker 2: think he was right because I went back to the
Speaker 2: house after I moved out of it.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 5: This house is clearly some people's dream house.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 5: It was in the North Georgia Mountains and it was
Speaker 5: on top of the mountain.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 5: And I've never seen this nowhere in the world. I've
Speaker 5: gone in the morning.
Speaker 2: Right at about five thirty six o'clock when the sun
Speaker 2: hits the top of the mountains, the whole sky turns
Speaker 2: red dog like it's Mars or something. Such a beautiful house,
Speaker 2: and it's just spiritually wasn't right. And Krit was like, Bro,
Speaker 2: you gotta you may have to get out of that house.
Speaker 2: And I moved out of that house because of Crit
Speaker 2: and between you know, some of the stuff Krit said,
Speaker 2: my mentor, and the stories I've told about method man Bro.
Speaker 2: And I like to give a shout out to to
Speaker 2: styles p Let's I'd like to give a shout out
Speaker 2: to Jazzy Jeff. Jazzy Jeff brought me to his house, y'all.
Speaker 2: I told him to his face, I ain't doing no
Speaker 2: fucking music. I ain't no artist, no mong fucking actor.
Speaker 2: I ain't doing no verses, I ain't doing no beats.
Speaker 2: And he just looked at me and like, yeah. I
Speaker 2: ended up doing two verses the beat.
Speaker 5: But jazz he told me something. I was so dope.
Speaker 2: He said, banner music hasn't done anything, but bless you.
Speaker 2: Now the business of music.
Speaker 3: Well, let me ask you this before because I know
Speaker 3: you gotta go. But my last question is Sinners. You
Speaker 3: talked about Sinners. One of the underlying themes in that,
Speaker 3: to me at least, was that the music attracted the devil,
Speaker 3: and that's why his father didn't want him to play music.
Speaker 3: Do you think that the music, especially the music that
Speaker 3: we're listening to now, is a gateway to negativity devil activity,
Speaker 3: or like you think that is a light for that.
Speaker 2: But no, but bro, it wasn't. But see, that's the
Speaker 2: thing about it. It wasn't the type of music he
Speaker 2: was doing. Because if you look at the dance when
Speaker 2: everybody came together, it was all types of music. It
Speaker 2: wasn't just rap music it was it was the Native
Speaker 2: American music. It was all of these different types of music.
Speaker 2: So what it is is that, first of all, people
Speaker 2: forget if you think if the devil existed in the
Speaker 2: way that they say that it did, what was the devil? No,
Speaker 2: in general, angel what music of music exactly?
Speaker 3: So that's some people say that.
Speaker 2: So not that music, it's music in general and the
Speaker 2: fact that in actuality, Bro, I don't like saying this
Speaker 2: a lot.
Speaker 5: But I will only because you asked me.
Speaker 4: Bro.
Speaker 2: If you go back and research music. Music was never
Speaker 2: meant for public consumption. Music was meant for spiritual, for communication,
Speaker 2: doing times of war, it was it was spiritual. And
Speaker 2: I have a friend who actually is a chiropractor and
Speaker 2: he can manipulate your bones by using certain frequencies. So
Speaker 2: what we got to understand, Bro, we don't even know
Speaker 2: because we don't study, Bro, the frequencies that we're dealing
Speaker 2: with a lot of times, Bro, and what it actually
Speaker 2: does to the human body.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: So I think when it came to centers, Bro, it
Speaker 2: wasn't the type of music that we do because honestly,
Speaker 2: we are at war and this is war music. The
Speaker 2: problem that I had with music is music was supposed
Speaker 2: to to represent the time that we're in. Like during
Speaker 2: the time when Bad Boy and Stuff was out, we
Speaker 2: were the first generation in America in recent times that
Speaker 2: had disposable money. We was their first generation. Our parents
Speaker 2: got the jobs, but they really hadn't got the residual
Speaker 2: effects of that brand yet so bad Boy at the
Speaker 2: time was necessary NWA saying fuck the police. Nobody else
Speaker 2: had ever done that. We needed that at the time.
Speaker 5: But when you see it being commercialized and it being
Speaker 5: used by the same system that.
Speaker 2: It was meant to, right, and it became and it
Speaker 2: was mechanized, I honestly think, and I don't say this much,
Speaker 2: that music is actually from the right hand of the government. Now, Bro,
Speaker 2: if you really think about it, bro, like, if you
Speaker 2: really look at it from because I know that you
Speaker 2: are men of numbers, right, bro, Niggas in bitches well,
Speaker 2: let's say, niggas in bitches are probably no just as important.
Speaker 2: It's important, Seriously, Niggas and bitches are only about at
Speaker 2: the most get in the twenty percent of our culture.
Speaker 2: Let's think about it seriously, right, But we talk about
Speaker 2: that form of people ninety percent of the time. Yeah, right,
Speaker 2: you understand what I'm saying. So the problem isn't that
Speaker 2: is the pact. It's the fact that it's been is
Speaker 2: being weaponized. And then the fact that people see that
Speaker 2: we can make money off off of the weaponization of
Speaker 2: our music, They're gonna go get the bread, bro, That's
Speaker 2: what I saw. So when I saw appreciable.
Speaker 1: This is a specific scene when they're like, just give
Speaker 1: us him and we'll leave everybody else. Because he had
Speaker 1: the purest form of music, even though it was perceived
Speaker 1: as secular to his parents. It was the purest form,
Speaker 1: which is one second and.
Speaker 2: Jordan, Just so you know, they're not worried about me
Speaker 2: saying niggas and bitches. They worried about me saying cracker,
Speaker 2: So you ain't got to worry about it. Who's that, No,
Speaker 2: just people in general. He ain't not worried about this,
Speaker 2: So don't worry about when I said niggas and bitches. Yeah,
Speaker 2: which is why at the end that scene where Michael B.
Speaker 2: Jordan's in the kouji, right, and it was very intentional
Speaker 2: how he was styled. It was like, oh, they've got that,
Speaker 2: they've got it. They took it from us, right because
Speaker 2: he's I left him alone. He's still pure, but he's
Speaker 2: been dumb down now to now he's just doing nightclubs, right,
Speaker 2: which isn't the most popular form. But the guy win
Speaker 2: the koochie. Oh wait, it's in hip hop. Well watch
Speaker 2: this the way you where I didn't see that, but
Speaker 2: I did see what do you call the things in
Speaker 2: the movies where you give away the secrets, what do
Speaker 2: you call those? Come on, bro, help me the little
Speaker 2: special things that said movies that's hidden the east, Yeah,
Speaker 2: the little easter b They said something that was so
Speaker 2: dope that I didn't realize, which makes your theory probably right.
Speaker 2: They said, if you look in the mirror on that scene,
Speaker 2: his reflection was gone too.
Speaker 3: Who's the reflection preacher boy?
Speaker 2: Because you remember it was him the white girl and
Speaker 2: preaching boy and they were sitting in front of the
Speaker 2: big long mirror in front of the bar, right if
Speaker 2: you look, everybody's But what they say happened was that
Speaker 2: you remember the scene after that we're giving away the movie.
Speaker 2: But but but you remember when he was in the church.
Speaker 2: You saw that if you remember, he looked up and
Speaker 2: they were saying that it was a spirit, that it
Speaker 2: was a spirit in the sky, and that was when
Speaker 2: he gave his spirit away. But what I'm saying is
Speaker 2: is that either way, what I'll tell you is that
Speaker 2: that same music that we're talking about can be what
Speaker 2: leads us to revolution, be helpful, it can be what
Speaker 2: leads somebody to God. That's all that they were saying.
Speaker 2: They want you, so we can use your music for
Speaker 2: what we want to use it for, and so it's
Speaker 2: powerful within itself. It's the same way that and I'm
Speaker 2: glad that we can end it like this. I believe
Speaker 2: it's the same thing with money. Money ain't ain't is
Speaker 2: it negative. It's the spirit and what you put into
Speaker 2: it and how you get it. It's a frequency, it's
Speaker 2: a currency, you know, and you have to earn your.
Speaker 3: Leisure and gentlemen. Another legendary episode David, Oh hey, you
Speaker 3: got from Rock and West for see next week.
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