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Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Katy Anthony breaking

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Speaker 1: her silence nearly nine years after her daughter's murder. In

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Speaker 1: a brand new interview, Anthony insists that she doesn't know

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Speaker 1: much about the last two hours of the two year

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Speaker 1: old Kayley's life. Do your understanding how did she do it?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. You know something about drowning. Possibly, everyone

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Speaker 1: else has their theories. I don't know. So your parents

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Speaker 1: had her. My dad did I right? I didn't play.

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Speaker 1: I did what I was told. I don't remember too

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Speaker 1: much of what happened. Casey Anthony's dad thinks that his

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Speaker 1: daughter druggs Kayley so she could just go off and party.

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Speaker 1: Gave too much to Canley. She fell asleep and didn't

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Speaker 1: wake up. That's what I feel right now. This is

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Speaker 1: the most agitated and frustrated that I've been, Even when

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Speaker 1: I sat with jose and I watched that episode of

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. We all know that toat mom, Casey Anthony

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Speaker 1: was accused, tried, and acquitted in the murder of her

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Speaker 1: little two year old girl, Kelly Anthony. But what about

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Speaker 1: tott Mom, Casey Anthony's other victims? How many people did

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Speaker 1: she hurt? How many hearts did she break? How many

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Speaker 1: victims does she really have? I Nancy Grace, this is

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. The words

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Speaker 1: my heart hurts and the last days taught Mom. Casey

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Speaker 1: Anthony's father, George Anthony, breaks his silence after his daughter

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Speaker 1: taught Mom. Casey Anthony says in her first interview since

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Speaker 1: she was acquitted, and that he George Anthony was watching

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Speaker 1: the tought when she went missing. Now you know she

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Speaker 1: has cast to blame in so many directions, but to

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Speaker 1: lash out yet again at her parents. You know, George

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Speaker 1: and Cindy Anthony are now back in the spotlight, painful

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Speaker 1: memories now being dredged up yet again, memories they were

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Speaker 1: trying to put behind them, trying to get over, trying

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Speaker 1: to heal. When out of the blue, taught mom Casey

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Speaker 1: Anthony just can't go away for Pete's sake, crashes back

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Speaker 1: onto the media scene and another interview, damning her father,

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Speaker 1: George Anthony. Now let me tell you the way I

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Speaker 1: recall the Anthony's were portrayed at the time that little

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Speaker 1: Kelly went missing. I remember one particular video clip. It

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Speaker 1: was of George screaming at the media and as I

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Speaker 1: recalled Cindy, his wife was right there with him to

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Speaker 1: get off of his yard. You know what, It was

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Speaker 1: played over and over and over and he he just

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Speaker 1: looked crazy. When I think about that clip, though, what

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Speaker 1: I think about the way George and Cindy were portrayed,

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Speaker 1: do you blame them? I mean, the thing they loved

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Speaker 1: the most in the world, two year old Kelly was

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Speaker 1: dead gone and their daughter, their only daughter, suspected of murder.

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Speaker 1: Then to have the media camping out, literally getting up

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Speaker 1: in their front yard. They couldn't come in or out

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Speaker 1: without being harassed and harangued. I guess they did yell.

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Speaker 1: And that was the little capsule, the snapshot of George

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Speaker 1: Anthony and Cindy Anthony that everyone saw. But I want

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Speaker 1: to tell you about the first time I met with them.

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Speaker 1: There were nothing like that at all. They were kind

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Speaker 1: and gracious and decent people, and they knew what I

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Speaker 1: thought about their daughter, and they defended their daughter. Yet

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Speaker 1: they were very, very kind to me. I remember we

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Speaker 1: sat down in a restaurant and they could not have

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Speaker 1: been more civil, more open. Their love for Kelly was

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Speaker 1: autmost and it was that love I believe that led

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Speaker 1: them alive. So what to first dispel to you the

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Speaker 1: way Cindy and George Anthony had been portrayed in the media.

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Speaker 1: It's crazy, trashy, volatile, redneck, not likable at all. They

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Speaker 1: were not like that at all. I promise you nothing

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Speaker 1: like that at all. I'm just thinking about to the

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Speaker 1: time of the trial of Top Mom and the way

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Speaker 1: everything went down. At the time Kelly disappeared and my

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Speaker 1: mind was killed, she was living off her mom and dad.

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Speaker 1: Now she was well up in her twenties. She had

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Speaker 1: had this baby. She wouldn't say who the father was,

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Speaker 1: and emotionally supported her. Now she had the baby, and

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Speaker 1: Cindy and George took care of the baby, took care

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Speaker 1: tod Mom would go out partying. Now listen to this.

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Speaker 1: She would tell them she was going to work at

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Speaker 1: Universal Studios. As I recall, she had a fake idea

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Speaker 1: but whether she had a badge or not, it's irrelevant.

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Speaker 1: She told them she had a job and would actually

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Speaker 1: a scenario that had been going on for a long time.

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Speaker 1: We know she wouldn't finish school and get a degree

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Speaker 1: or or go to work. For Pete's sake. You know,

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Speaker 1: I've been working at least two jobs since I was fifteen. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So to hear her, she'll acts and with their feet

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Speaker 1: the two of them work to support her and her baby.

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Speaker 1: That's not right, But that's a whole another can of worms.

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Speaker 1: So just get this mental image of top mom kicked

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Speaker 1: living at home. Now, the day that Kelly goes missing,

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Speaker 1: this is what happens. There was a horrible, horrible argument

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Speaker 1: And at the root of every argument it was about Kelly,

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Speaker 1: being a decent mom to Kelly. Cindy and George wanted

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Speaker 1: Kelly was never seen alive again after that volatile argument

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Speaker 1: with her mother. I mean, ungrateful. Oh gosh. I remember

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Speaker 1: when I was trying to go to law school. My parents,

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Speaker 1: And I remember going and taking out those loans and

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Speaker 1: in the bathrooms. And Top Mom did not have a

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Speaker 1: alive again, you know, Alan. Before I go any further

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Speaker 1: Todd Mom and her other victims. Todd Mom and the

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Speaker 1: baby Kelly are now gone, say a month, and then

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Speaker 1: suddenly Cindy Anthony at their home gets a notice that

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Speaker 1: So she goes to get it. When she opens it up,

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Speaker 1: she is just knocked out by the smell. And when

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Speaker 1: that triggers the entire investigation into where is Kelly. She

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Speaker 1: her lies about her brother, her father. She basically gets

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Speaker 1: arrested for not reporting Kelly missing. Now, remember she was arrested.

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Speaker 1: This is something Alan that I learned. There was a

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Speaker 1: What's for supper? What? Now? That That is what the

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Speaker 1: Now it's on the record, but it doesn't matter anymore

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Speaker 1: because she's been acquitted. But she walked in not one

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Speaker 1: Not one thing about Kelly. I just that just struck me.

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Speaker 1: her innocence. And I recall distinctly, Alan, do you remember

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Speaker 1: want to find out about where Kelly is, what could

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Speaker 1: possibly have happened? Hello, your daughter killed her? But they're

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Speaker 1: little girl, Nancy. I have that audio and in fact,

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Speaker 1: in this clip Casey Anthony tells her parents that she

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Speaker 1: is so angry at them for pressing her for more

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Speaker 1: information about what might have happened to Kaylee that she

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Speaker 1: says she was even more angry at them, her parents,

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Speaker 1: than she was at you, Nancy Grace, for things you

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Speaker 1: were saying about her on television. Mom, I know what

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Speaker 1: I'm honestly up against. Do you guys understand what I'm

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Speaker 1: out anyway, sweetheart, we don't. I understand that. But the

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