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Speaker 1: to talk about Lebron James so and yeah, yeah, go ahead, Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I said on my show today, I said the
Speaker 1: Lakers loss wasn't the worst loss in the NBA. Last
Speaker 1: night the Clippers faced Denver without Jokich, Murray, and Gordon.
Speaker 1: They sat all four of their stars and in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter they were doubled at home.
Speaker 2: Is the worst loss of the year though, that's the
Speaker 2: Clippers are not going to work, and I feel, I
Speaker 2: legit feel badly for Westbrook.
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 2: He was he actually Colin was playing well for the Clippers,
Speaker 2: played well for them at the end of last year,
Speaker 2: played well for them in the postseason, was playing well
Speaker 2: this year. It's very very clear he can still amazingly.
Speaker 2: I didn't think he could be a positive, not a superstar,
Speaker 2: but a positive under very specific circumstances, and he had
Speaker 2: it with the Clippers. Then they got hardened. It went
Speaker 2: exactly back to what he was asked to do as
Speaker 2: a Laker, and that player is borderline unplayable. So I
Speaker 2: feel bad for USS. The Clippers did this to themselves.
Speaker 2: I don't think they're going to be a playoff team,
Speaker 2: but the Lakers. Here's the Lebron thing I want to talk.
Speaker 2: You ever look at like the old baseball records and
Speaker 2: it's like, oh, who has the most complete games in
Speaker 2: the season, And it's like, oh, this guy had thirty
Speaker 2: eight complete games in one year. You look at some
Speaker 2: of these old records and you're like, oh, like Cy
Speaker 2: Young had he had five hundred and sixteen wins. It's like, okay, well,
Speaker 2: so that's no one's probably getting that. Nobody has. Nobody's
Speaker 2: done the very simple math yet. But Lebron last night
Speaker 2: passed Kareem for most minutes ever playoffs, regular season combined.
Speaker 2: It's over sixty six thousand. His points record and his
Speaker 2: minutes record are going to be looked at the way
Speaker 2: we look at the nineteen twenties baseball records. They are
Speaker 2: going to be so far untouchable. Like I want this
Speaker 2: is this and this isn't an opinion. So let's talk
Speaker 2: about the points for a second, okay, And the reason
Speaker 2: it is is because Lebron checked three boxes as an
Speaker 2: ten out of ten of Okay, how old were you
Speaker 2: you came into the league? Well, he was basically as
Speaker 2: young as anybody possibly can be, So that's a check
Speaker 2: mark in his favor. How healthy have you been, Well,
Speaker 2: he's been as healthy as any player ever, that's a
Speaker 2: check mark. And good, how good were you immediately? As
Speaker 2: good as any rookie's ever been? And then by year
Speaker 2: two one of the five best players in the league.
Speaker 2: So he he's at thirty nine thousand points in change. Okay,
Speaker 2: so let's just call it forty thousand for the simplicity
Speaker 2: of math, all right. And let's say someone walks into
Speaker 2: the league, walks into the league and averages thirty five
Speaker 2: points per game from day one of their rookie year. Okay,
Speaker 2: And let's say they are incredibly healthy and they play
Speaker 2: seventy five games a year without ever missing time. So, okay,
Speaker 2: how many years would they have to play if from
Speaker 2: day one of a rookie you average thirty five a game.
Speaker 2: If you play seventy five games a year. Well, forty
Speaker 2: thousand divided by thirty five divided by seventy five equals. Oh,
Speaker 2: all you would have to do to pass Lebron jameson
Speaker 2: scoring is average thirty five points per game your entire career,
Speaker 2: never get hurt, play all every season and play for it.
Speaker 2: Let me check fifteen and a half years, it's in
Speaker 2: fucking possible, and that it's not even as untouchable as
Speaker 2: the minutes after last night he is. It's sixty seven
Speaker 2: thousand minutes. Okay, So let's think about that, sixty seven
Speaker 2: thousand minutes. Let's say your team made the playoffs every year.
Speaker 2: You played deep into the playoffs every year and never
Speaker 2: saw So let's say you averaged ninety games a season.
Speaker 2: Ninety games a season. All right, let's say you played
Speaker 2: did ninety games a season. Let's say you played forty
Speaker 2: minutes a night. Ninety games a season, forty minutes a night.
Speaker 2: How many years would you have to play? Oh, only
Speaker 2: eighteen and a half years of ninety game seasons, forty
Speaker 2: minutes a night, never getting hurt. So like, I'm not
Speaker 2: even I'm not even right now that interested in the
Speaker 2: goat debate anymore. I just know that like some of
Speaker 2: these records Lebron is setting, and he set one of
Speaker 2: them last night, are going to they're gonna look like
Speaker 2: some of Wilt's scoring records, like oh no, no one can
Speaker 2: even approach that, Like yeah, And so I mean I
Speaker 2: looked at Janis Yannis is forty thousand minutes shy of Lebron, Like, well,
Speaker 2: that's then if you added Michael Jordan's career to Jannis's career,
Speaker 2: that would give you slightly more minutes than Lebron. Like,
Speaker 2: nobody's going to approach these records. Nobody's gonna approach.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's reasonable. So one of the things
Speaker 1: that as I look at this NFL season, you know
Speaker 1: a lot of people are talking about, oh, the officiating
Speaker 1: is the worst ever. No, it's not. That's a complaint
Speaker 1: every year. Uh, the game's getting worse. No, it's not.
Speaker 1: The ratings are higher than ever, totally. I like Tom Brady.
Speaker 1: But Brady came out and said the game's getting worse.
Speaker 1: And I said, and this was my take, and I
Speaker 1: want you to react to it. I said, the reason
Speaker 1: you think the game is getting worse because almost as
Speaker 1: a general rule, young people need support more than middle
Speaker 1: aged or older people. Their brain doesn't develop Tiller twenty
Speaker 1: four to twenty five. Their confidence levels. They're more affected
Speaker 1: by criticism when you're seventeen twenty twenty three than you are.
Speaker 1: You get to my age, you don't give a shit.
Speaker 1: And I said, what's happened? The global wealth has actually
Speaker 1: hurt quarterback play. And here's my rationale. So we were
Speaker 1: growing up, when you were When we were growing up,
Speaker 1: you could be a car dealer. Larry Miller owned the
Speaker 1: Utah Jazz, a car dealer with a net worth of
Speaker 1: one hundred million dollars. The poorest NFL owners worth like
Speaker 1: the McCaskey, Virginia McCaskey over two billion dollars. And by
Speaker 1: the way, if she owns the Bears, that's not it
Speaker 1: because the Bears would sell tomorrow for probably seven five
Speaker 1: half billion dollars or yeah more. Yeah, sure, yeah. So
Speaker 1: what has happened? Is it used to be you would
Speaker 1: never fire Frank Reich in year one if your net
Speaker 1: worth was three hundred million. I'm not gonna write a
Speaker 1: twelve million dollar check, Frank, right, But when I'm worth
Speaker 1: thirty two billion, I'll easily write a forty million dollar check.
Speaker 1: So who's the loser in the frank right firing? It's
Speaker 1: bryce new coach, new quarterback coach, new staff by year two.
Speaker 1: So what has happened? Increasingly, as the owners have gotten wealthier,
Speaker 1: all these firings are rounding errors. The richer they get,
Speaker 1: the more the more secluded they are, the more insulated
Speaker 1: they are from criticism or punitive action. A bad marketing campaign.
Speaker 1: If you owned a car dealership thirty years ago, could
Speaker 1: half your net worth. Jeff Bezos gets no publicity, that's positive.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. He's worth sixty billion. And so owners
Speaker 1: fire quicker coach is knowing it's coming. Quicker fire coordinators,
Speaker 1: quicker quarterbacks have to win by Thanksgiving of year two
Speaker 1: or they get rid of him. Justin fields in the
Speaker 1: seventies would get another year. You can't even that's not
Speaker 1: even a debate. Now you have to move off him.
Speaker 1: And so the reason quarterback play is perceived is worse.
Speaker 1: It doesn't make any sense. It's counterintuitive. There's more camps,
Speaker 1: there's more coaching. Yeah, there's better quarterbacks. What's happening is
Speaker 1: global wealth his created from the ownership down. This domino
Speaker 1: effect of absolute impatience. And the loser isn't the coach
Speaker 1: because he gets the money when he gets Frank Wright
Speaker 1: gets the money and goes to the beach. It's not
Speaker 1: the owner. It's not the GMO gets fired. He gets
Speaker 1: money and goes to the beach.
Speaker 3: The loser is the twenty three year old quarterback who's
Speaker 3: got to play with the seventh Justin Herbert's on his
Speaker 3: third coordinator and second coach and his third art So.
Speaker 2: I have, actually I'm not a very different theory, but
Speaker 2: in line with what you're talking about, an experiment I
Speaker 2: always wanted to see and I've talked with me In
Speaker 2: Jennie about this and we'll never get to see it.
Speaker 2: But what would the result be if you took a
Speaker 2: like well known media like not god awful, terrible, but
Speaker 2: we know he's not a star coach, well known definition
Speaker 2: of mediocre head coach. I don't know the example, and
Speaker 2: I don't want to name a name. It seems me
Speaker 2: but just say whatever the slightly beneath league average while
Speaker 2: his career was and an owner said, I am signing
Speaker 2: this contract that says you will be my head coach
Speaker 2: with full control of your own staff for six years
Speaker 2: at a minimum if at any point between now and
Speaker 2: six years you get fired. I signed the team over
Speaker 2: to you. I'm telling you you you have absolute job secure.
Speaker 2: Would that create by a inertia and by the fact
Speaker 2: that you can make every decision be forward long term,
Speaker 2: thinking all of it instantly, by the by year three,
Speaker 2: much less year six, a top six, top eight coaching
Speaker 2: staff coach in the league where you're not doing anything impulsively,
Speaker 2: you're not doing anything that's that's you know, robbing tomorrow
Speaker 2: to pay today because you're worried you're gonna get canned,
Speaker 2: and while everyone else is on the treadmill of oh shit,
Speaker 2: I gotta save my job. You can have the long
Speaker 2: term view and install a culture and a system and
Speaker 2: all of it. I really believe that would be better
Speaker 2: than what ninety percent of these teams do.
Speaker 1: Yes. And what the benefit of that is that you
Speaker 1: could hire a bit better staff. I mean, Carolina, ninety
Speaker 1: percent of the good candidates will not even They'll tell
Speaker 1: their agent don't call, right.
Speaker 2: Ben Johnson's not going there any no no chance but
Speaker 2: the flip. And in addition, you could.
Speaker 1: Build a better staff. I guess you can build a
Speaker 1: better staff with your line of thinking, and over the
Speaker 1: course of time, the best staff, not just Andy Reid
Speaker 1: wins bags is a big part of that staff, right,
Speaker 1: So the better staff.
Speaker 2: But also guys that can whatever their culture is going
Speaker 2: to be, Like I don't know for certain, I think it,
Speaker 2: but I don't know for certain. John Harbaugh and Mike
Speaker 2: Tomlin are in a vacuum. Tomlin's pretty damn impressive, let
Speaker 2: me use Harball, but in a vacuum a great coach.
Speaker 2: But what both of them had was nearly instant Super
Speaker 2: Bowl wins, which gave them, at least for the next
Speaker 2: half decade, one hundred percent job security, which allowed them
Speaker 2: to install one hundred percent of their system and their
Speaker 2: culture and whatever learning on the job they needed to
Speaker 2: do they could do with safety and security. And now
Speaker 2: we look at them as unquestioned great coaches, Like there
Speaker 2: is a level of what if you know you're gonna
Speaker 2: have the gig and you can do things right or
Speaker 2: wrong the way you want to do it and not
Speaker 2: have these teams that just massively go back and forth.
Speaker 2: The Chargers with Justin Irbay, they have an offensive coach
Speaker 2: and Anthony Lynn he's not good enough to hire Brandon
Speaker 2: Staley he's about to get run out of town. They're
Speaker 2: gonna do everything they can to hire Ben John like
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, just the back and forth everything.
Speaker 2: So I think, yeah, I do think the the lack
Speaker 2: of patience on NFL coaching staffs is bad for everybody.
Speaker 2: But my theory on quarterbacks is different one. And this
Speaker 2: is where I think Brady got it wrong. I don't
Speaker 2: think it's that the play's gotten worse. I think that
Speaker 2: the top level play is now so fucking good that
Speaker 2: teams are like like in the nineties, Kenny Pickett would
Speaker 2: be the Pittsburgh Steelers starter for twelve to fifteen years.
Speaker 2: I watched Neil O'donnald play there. You can't tell me
Speaker 2: that this guy's not as good as him. They went
Speaker 2: to a super Bowl.
Speaker 1: Okay, listen to this. Aaron Rodgers was in his prime,
Speaker 1: Matt Stafford close to it. Trubisky made the playoffs twice.
Speaker 2: Yes, in the seventies.
Speaker 1: He would be Brian's site for the Brown Yeah, and
Speaker 1: start for a decade.
Speaker 2: Right. And So what I think is the top level
Speaker 2: quarterbacks now that you have some of the best athletes
Speaker 2: also playing quarterback, whether it be Josh Allen, or Lamar
Speaker 2: or Mahomes who could have played a bunch of sports.
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson when he was in his prime. These guys
Speaker 2: that teams that have he's fine are always looking for
Speaker 2: the next guy and the guy who it's like, ah,
Speaker 2: he's fine. If he somehow gets to year seven, is
Speaker 2: gonna be pretty good, but you don't want to. They
Speaker 2: don't get there, Like golf didn't all of a sudden
Speaker 2: get better, worse, whatever it is. He's been the same guy.
Speaker 2: He's super accurate. If he's protected, he's not gonna be
Speaker 2: able to horn on the ball because he has small hands,
Speaker 2: and if you get a pass rusher on him, it's
Speaker 2: not gonna work out. But he now has seen so
Speaker 2: much more football, done all these things that those weaknesses
Speaker 2: are still there, but the strengths are accentuated. Those things
Speaker 2: are better. But he almost never got another chance, like
Speaker 2: when you have when you have these aliens playing quarterback,
Speaker 2: if you have a guy who's average, you're gonna get
Speaker 2: rid of him to draft the next guy, and that's
Speaker 2: a lottery ticket, which then leads to a lot of young,
Speaker 2: raw quarterbacks, which leads to a bad quarterback play.
Speaker 1: Finally, there are certain things in sports in business that
Speaker 1: are just hard and they're imperfect and there's just no
Speaker 1: way to generate perfection. And I think in sports one
Speaker 1: of those in the NFL is game clock management. So
Speaker 1: when you get to the end of the game, you've
Speaker 1: got certain units. Over the course of a game, players
Speaker 1: get injured, so you know players you would have used
Speaker 1: in sets earlier now can't play. So as games evolve
Speaker 1: in the NFL, the later they go, the harder they
Speaker 1: are to manage. Analytics Now wasn't really an issue ten
Speaker 1: years ago. Now you have to consider analytics. There's the clock.
Speaker 1: If you have a young quarterback, they're not as strong
Speaker 1: at managing the clock, and so you tend to be
Speaker 1: I agreed with you on John Harbaugh against the Chargers,
Speaker 1: go for it. In that situation, I would have gone
Speaker 1: for it. But it does bring up an interesting because
Speaker 1: I think you're too hard on people for game clock management.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think it's one of those things that unless you've
Speaker 1: played football or you've coached, you don't understand. It's like
Speaker 1: play by play, how effing hard it is. Andy Reid
Speaker 1: was I mean debased for years in Philadelphia, and then
Speaker 1: he got Mahomes and nobody talks about it. McVeigh gets clobber. YEP,
Speaker 1: when you acknowledge, and there's probably several analogous options here,
Speaker 1: that it is one of those things that is probably
Speaker 1: much harder than people understand.
Speaker 2: I yes, I acknowledge that. I think that is correct,
Speaker 2: which is why it just should be farmed out. And
Speaker 2: I'm not talking about choosing to go for it all
Speaker 2: fourth or not that I do. Listen, I think coaches
Speaker 2: are far too conservative in large part on that, and
Speaker 2: I understand our broadcasters very often will be like, well,
Speaker 2: or the coaches after the game will say, well, yes,
Speaker 2: we knew the analytics, but given the circumstances of the game,
Speaker 2: blah blah, blah blah. My issue with that is, here's
Speaker 2: if that's really what's happening. Oh we know the numbers,
Speaker 2: but because this guy was out or this or that,
Speaker 2: we went the other way? How come this My entire
Speaker 2: football life has never happened. Oh yeah, we knew the numbers,
Speaker 2: said we have to punt here, but given the circumstances
Speaker 2: of the game, we've said, f're fucking going for it.
Speaker 2: That never happens, and never in my life has it
Speaker 2: been like, oh yeah, all the numbers say do the
Speaker 2: conservative thing, but we're gonna be extra aggressive because it circumstances.
Speaker 2: So to me, coaches are far too conservative. But that
Speaker 2: has to be the decision the head coach. I do
Speaker 2: believe you can't farm that out. You can give them
Speaker 2: the information. You can talk to him when it's not
Speaker 2: during the week. That needs to be your general on
Speaker 2: the battlefield making that call. The timeout stuff, Colin, the
Speaker 2: clock management stuff, Colin is blackjack, and there's only one
Speaker 2: right way to play it. Let me give you a
Speaker 2: four instance that I bet, I honestly believe twenty nine
Speaker 2: of thirty two NFL head coaches would fail this test.
Speaker 2: There is a very specific and it might only come
Speaker 2: up once a year if ever, scenario where if you
Speaker 2: are trailing and you are trying to stop the clock
Speaker 2: and the other team's trying to run it out, you
Speaker 2: do not want to call timeout on the north side
Speaker 2: of the two minute warning. When is it and why?
Speaker 2: And the answer to that question is and people listening
Speaker 2: thinking they're like, well, let me think, Papa, it's very
Speaker 2: very specific. If there is between about two forty two
Speaker 2: and two forty seven exactly that much time left in
Speaker 2: the half and you only have one timeout, you one
Speaker 2: hundred percent should not use it because the average play
Speaker 2: is going to take between two to five seconds, and
Speaker 2: whether you call your time out there or not, that
Speaker 2: the two plays later is going to happen on the
Speaker 2: other side of the two minute warning. So if you
Speaker 2: save it, you can then save thirty nine seconds on
Speaker 2: the other side of the two minute warning if you
Speaker 2: have multiple and if people are like, that's confusing, and
Speaker 2: get out a piece of paper and write it down
Speaker 2: and track it out. I promise I'm right. It's a
Speaker 2: very unique spot, but you got to know it. You've
Speaker 2: got to know the ways that to give yourself the
Speaker 2: best option. A thing that super sharp coaches started to
Speaker 2: do a couple years ago was, oh, shit, if the
Speaker 2: other team we have two timeouts and it is second
Speaker 2: and one, we're going and we're trying to stop them.
Speaker 2: We're going to pretend to jump off sides and hope
Speaker 2: they accept the penalty because the odds are they're getting
Speaker 2: this first down on one of the next two plays anyway,
Speaker 2: and we just want it to be untimed like Vrabel
Speaker 2: did that, Belichick did that, and now coaches have called
Speaker 2: into it. There are certain things that if in the
Speaker 2: fog of war, the head coach can't handle all of it,
Speaker 2: then hires some kid that played Madden their whole life
Speaker 2: and figured it out when they were high and seventeen
Speaker 2: years old, like I did. I'm listen. I do happen
Speaker 2: to be brilliant, but this is not part of my brilliance.
Speaker 2: This is part of me gambling on Madden in a
Speaker 2: dorm four years and just understanding these little quirks. And
Speaker 2: so I've joked forever before I hired an NFL head coach, like,
Speaker 2: We're going to a casino and I'm gonna watch you
Speaker 2: play blackjack for two hours, and if you make one mistake,
Speaker 2: I'm not hiring you. If there's one time where you're like, eh,
Speaker 2: I know you have a seven and I have a sixteen,
Speaker 2: but I'm gonna stay Okay, you're not gonna be my guy.
Speaker 2: Fourth downs are not that black and white. Clock management
Speaker 2: is so that stuff. I won't give any quarter on
Speaker 2: fourth down stuff. I like the harball thing. Sorry I'm ranting.
Speaker 2: You touch on a passionate point for me. I think
Speaker 2: coaches super overvalue going up six points. I actually don't
Speaker 2: know that in the final ninety seconds. I'd rather be
Speaker 2: up six than three. And I know that sounds ridiculous,
Speaker 2: But if you're up six, the other team has to
Speaker 2: score a touchdown. Is in four down territory four down
Speaker 2: all the whole time, You know what I mean. They
Speaker 2: are going perma aggression. Up three, they're gonna be a
Speaker 2: little more conservative, They're gonna once they getting field goal range,
Speaker 2: they're definitely kicking it. All of that, and either way,
Speaker 2: up three or six, a touchdown beat you. So the
Speaker 2: harball thing I thought was insane. I'm like, you're up three,
Speaker 2: a first down wins the game, if you need one yard,
Speaker 2: if you kick a field goal, a touchdown beat you
Speaker 2: either way. Like that one killed me. Like I do
Speaker 2: think coaches far too often don't just ask themselves the
Speaker 2: question I would always be asking myself, which is, if
Speaker 2: I were coaching the other team, what am I rooting for?
Speaker 2: And if I'm playing Lamar Jackson and I have Justin Herbert,
Speaker 2: no matter how he's been playing, am I rooting for
Speaker 2: them to be able to make it to where Justin
Speaker 2: Herbert never touches the ball again? Or am I rooting
Speaker 2: for them to put a kicker on the field? And
Speaker 2: guarantee justin Herbert touches the ball again. Of course I'm
Speaker 2: rooting for that to do the opposite. Harball's usually pretty
Speaker 2: good about that. I thought he screwed it up Sunday,
Speaker 2: but it didn't matter.
Speaker 1: It didn't actually agree with you on that, all right, Buddy,
Speaker 1: Good Show, Mark Cuban, Jim Harball, Lebron James, Melika andrews Uh.
Speaker 2: Milika andrews Man and like, you know what, hold on.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say one last thing on that and the
Speaker 2: Melika thing. I and I want to be Christian respectful
Speaker 2: here because I don't know Melika at all and she
Speaker 2: doesn't need me defending her. But the amount of of
Speaker 2: shit that women in our field take from these creeps
Speaker 2: on the internet, and then you add to it the
Speaker 2: amount of like part of the stuff with Milika has
Speaker 2: a really really that I'm not going to get into,
Speaker 2: like dark racial connotation about her, her life and her
Speaker 2: upbringing that touches close to home for me that I feel,
Speaker 2: really really is really cruel. Well, I listen. I don't
Speaker 2: know if she listens to the volume. Everyone should listen
Speaker 2: to the volume, but if she doesn't, if someone who's
Speaker 2: listening to this or seeing this is in her circle.
Speaker 2: Please let her know that those of us, her colleagues
Speaker 2: that maybe haven't said anything because you're not trying to
Speaker 2: draw more attention to these creeps on the internet have
Speaker 2: her back. She's a star and from all accounts, incredibly
Speaker 2: hard worker. And all these people coming after her for
Speaker 2: some old nonsense. I think it is really really really gross.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 1: Social media can be really really really gross. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's the truth of it.
Speaker 2: Not to me, man, Everybody loves me so believable. I
Speaker 2: can't believe it. Nobody's ever sent a mean tweet about me,
Speaker 2: Nobody ever makes fun of my hair, my nose, anything.
Speaker 2: It just universally approved, just like you, Colin, thank you
Speaker 2: for having me. I'll talk to you.
Speaker 1: So the volume