WEBVTT - Draft Show: Realistically Looking at Wide Receiver? 0:00:04.240 --> 0:00:09.559 This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your 0:00:09.640 --> 0:00:13.320 war room for incenter news and draft analysis from deep 0:00:13.360 --> 0:00:17.160 within the confines of Cowboys Headquarters at the Star in Frisco. 0:00:17.440 --> 0:00:23.200 Dallas Cowboys like T. D. Lamb and now your hosts 0:00:23.480 --> 0:00:32.040 Dane Brugler, Jeff Kavanaugh, Kevin Turner and Kyle Yeomans go. 0:00:32.680 --> 0:00:36.080 We are just sixty three days away from the NFL 0:00:36.200 --> 0:00:39.720 Draft in Cleveland, Ohio. As it is time now for 0:00:40.080 --> 0:00:43.760 the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, presented by Miller 0:00:43.800 --> 0:00:47.640 Lite as always from the s WBC Mortgage Studios at 0:00:47.680 --> 0:00:50.800 the Star in Frisco. Glad you're with us, Kyle Yeoman's 0:00:51.000 --> 0:00:53.880 Jeff Kavanaugh, We've got Dame Brugler from the Athletic and 0:00:53.960 --> 0:00:56.560 Kevin Kate T. Turner ready to break down some guys. 0:00:56.560 --> 0:00:59.400 We're gonna talk a lot of defensive line, answer a 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:02.400 ton of Twitter on the twenty questions coming up here 0:01:02.400 --> 0:01:05.280 in the next twenty minutes or so, because well there's 0:01:05.280 --> 0:01:07.120 a lot of them. I may I put out a 0:01:07.200 --> 0:01:09.959 question last night, a tweet real quickly about it, and 0:01:10.040 --> 0:01:14.080 we had over forty questions asked. So we've got to 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:16.080 hit a bunch of those today. And maybe even more 0:01:16.200 --> 0:01:17.959 next week. We'll have to just kind of carry them 0:01:17.959 --> 0:01:20.680 over day by Dave, Glad you're with us, Chris being 0:01:20.680 --> 0:01:23.600 back in the studio as always running things, and Dane, 0:01:23.640 --> 0:01:26.559 you had some wide receivers that you wanted to talk about. 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:29.119 You just put it out your top twenty wide receivers 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:32.399 on the Athletic. Highly encourage you guys to talk about that. 0:01:32.480 --> 0:01:35.960 But Katie and Jeff, are we really looking at wide 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:38.160 receivers whenever it comes to the Cowboys? Is that a 0:01:38.200 --> 0:01:40.760 realistic need or is this something that may just be 0:01:40.920 --> 0:01:43.559 kind of a late round thing. Whenever you have ten 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:46.760 plus draft picks, they could pick one. I mean, I 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:48.840 guess that question could go two different ways. I wouldn't 0:01:48.880 --> 0:01:50.440 be opposed to picking one at number ten if you 0:01:50.440 --> 0:01:52.320 think he's the best player available, and then you just 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:55.320 make your roster work from there. But I met realistically 0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:59.920 for the Cowboys, you know you still have Noah Brown 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:05.080 and Cedric Wilson. But teams pick wide receivers, and you 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:07.680 could I could pick one to just have him on 0:02:07.840 --> 0:02:10.720 standby and maybe to make the roster and maybe to 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:14.280 be a next year factor on the roster, so they 0:02:14.320 --> 0:02:16.359 can definitely use a pick on a wide receiver, I'd 0:02:16.360 --> 0:02:20.320 be really surprised if it was early. Yeah. Actually, I 0:02:20.360 --> 0:02:24.520 think it's kind of foolish to A think that Michael 0:02:24.560 --> 0:02:29.040 Gallop will be here long term and B and not 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:31.880 not because of anything Michael's done. It's just if money 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:35.679 goes to DAK like it might, then Michael Gallop is 0:02:35.720 --> 0:02:37.959 probably not going to be signing an extension. And B 0:02:38.080 --> 0:02:40.280 I think it's foolish to be like, well, Mary Cooper 0:02:40.360 --> 0:02:42.800 is a beacon of health. So I mean honestly, if 0:02:42.800 --> 0:02:44.560 you're sitting there at ten and Kyle Pitts is there, 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:47.639 you probably consider it. And I know everyone's maybe I'm 0:02:47.639 --> 0:02:49.800 going to freak out about that, but you consider it. 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:52.000 If you're gonna talk wide receiver, you might as well 0:02:52.040 --> 0:02:55.280 do it with Kyle Pitts the tight end wide receiver 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:59.120 at ten. But day three, I know there's a lot 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:00.919 of people who want to go all defense on the draft, 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:02.960 and I'm not opposed to that, but if there's someone 0:03:03.000 --> 0:03:06.040 you like there on Day three. As wide receivers in 0:03:06.080 --> 0:03:10.160 this draft keep falling and falling and falling because the 0:03:10.240 --> 0:03:14.040 depth of that position is outstanding. As Dane's list can 0:03:14.080 --> 0:03:16.240 attest too, and it's I think our rankings will attest 0:03:16.280 --> 0:03:19.080 to I nothing wrong with taking a wide receiver in 0:03:19.080 --> 0:03:20.960 this year's draft. In fact, I think it's a wise 0:03:21.040 --> 0:03:26.320 thing to do. I think it can be something there. Yeah. No, 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:29.480 to Katie's point, that's his wide receiver class is so 0:03:29.680 --> 0:03:33.880 unique because it's there's so the volume of talent at 0:03:33.880 --> 0:03:37.440 the position is just so impressive and it's been that's 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:40.160 saying something compared to last year as a group, when 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:41.960 we set a record for the most draft pick at 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:44.400 the position in the first two rounds. But I think 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:46.080 this year we could have more draft picks in the 0:03:46.080 --> 0:03:49.200 top one hundred picks at wide receiver than we did 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:52.400 last year. So you know, and if we don't, that 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:55.040 means there's gonna be some pretty darn good receivers available 0:03:55.160 --> 0:03:58.400 into Day three, which you know, there's gonna be some teams, 0:03:58.480 --> 0:04:02.240 maybe the Cowboys included, who could be sitting tight and saying, 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:05.240 all right, let's you know, let's see who falls to us. 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:08.320 And if one of these guys, whether that's you know, 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:12.960 a Josh Palmer from Tennessee or you know, Frank Darby 0:04:13.160 --> 0:04:16.200 from Arizona State, one of these really talented receivers that 0:04:16.240 --> 0:04:18.640 in most years is going in the first three rounds. 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:21.159 If they're available in the fourth or fifth, the value 0:04:21.240 --> 0:04:25.000 might be too good to pass up. It's pretty impressive, 0:04:25.360 --> 0:04:27.760 I mean, back to back years like we've had with 0:04:27.839 --> 0:04:31.400 these wide receivers in total, because I mean in the past, 0:04:31.600 --> 0:04:34.320 you look at the wide receiver group, it's always been strong. 0:04:34.400 --> 0:04:36.960 But even twenty twenty one, you look at those top 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:40.200 three receivers, Ceedee Lamb. Then you follow that up with 0:04:40.240 --> 0:04:43.920 Henry Ruggs and of course Jerry Judy. Now you move 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:46.239 on and you have kind of that big three again, 0:04:46.320 --> 0:04:48.080 and that's what we kind of want to talk about 0:04:48.120 --> 0:04:52.680 initially is Jamar Chase, Jalin Waddle, and Davante Smith of 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:55.320 course the Heisman winner out of Alabama. I mean, there 0:04:55.320 --> 0:04:57.880 are plenty of wide receivers there up at the top 0:04:57.920 --> 0:05:00.600 of the draft, but Dane, you just mentioned it. I mean, 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:03.080 it might be just as deep of a draft as 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:06.520 we've seen at the position ever. And that's impressive to 0:05:06.600 --> 0:05:08.279 me and its own right, just based off of the 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:12.479 fact that, well, you haven't necessarily seen that from a 0:05:12.480 --> 0:05:15.560 position like the wide receiver group in the past. Yea, 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:17.839 And honestly, this might be the new norm for the 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:22.080 position when you factor in, uh, you know how how 0:05:22.160 --> 0:05:26.480 colleges college offenses are evolving. You know, we're seeing a 0:05:26.480 --> 0:05:28.920 lot more it's just a lot of spread, a lot 0:05:28.960 --> 0:05:31.799 of wide open, a lot of just let your quarterback 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:35.080 get the ball to athletes on the perimeter. Uh. You know, 0:05:35.080 --> 0:05:38.160 you're looking for matchups, you're looking for explosive plays. Who's 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:41.359 gonna make that happen. It's the receivers. And so as 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:45.040 you know, NFL offense offenses start to really really mirror that, 0:05:45.839 --> 0:05:47.680 we're gonna see a lot of turnover at the receiver 0:05:47.760 --> 0:05:49.800 position these next few years, and it's going to be 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:52.560 a very crowded group and it's gonna make it for 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:55.400 some really interesting evaluations because we have to go even 0:05:55.480 --> 0:05:59.360 further in depth on these guys to really you know, 0:05:59.760 --> 0:06:02.000 to term in you know, okay, what's the how did 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:04.479 these guys stack up? And it's tough. I had I 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:07.200 had a tough time doing this top twenty. Um, you 0:06:07.200 --> 0:06:09.240 know it's I feel good about my top three, and 0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:11.279 then I feel good about four. And then that's where 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:14.120 it starts to get really uh you know about preference, 0:06:14.240 --> 0:06:16.600 and you know you're splitting hairs on some of these guys, 0:06:16.920 --> 0:06:19.360 you know, what can you You really have to start 0:06:19.360 --> 0:06:22.120 focusing on not what they can't do, but what they 0:06:22.120 --> 0:06:25.599 can do and how does that impact your game at 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:27.720 the game at the next level, and who it can 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:31.240 impact it greater, or maybe who's more polished, who's got 0:06:31.279 --> 0:06:35.040 a you know, it's a ceiling verse floor argument. So 0:06:35.080 --> 0:06:37.480 there's so many different ways you can look at these receivers. 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:40.880 I don't expect everybody to agree with one through twenty. 0:06:41.080 --> 0:06:44.520 I think everybody, you know, team to team, evaluator to evaluator, 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:46.320 they're going to have their own order and it's going 0:06:46.320 --> 0:06:49.480 to differ. So it's just a really interesting exercise to 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:53.720 try to stack all these guys. Katie, you mentioned Kyle Pitts, 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:58.000 and I think certainly he's one of the most talented, 0:06:58.000 --> 0:07:00.719 if not the most talented position play in the draft 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:04.600 outside of quarterback. And I mean, whenever we talked about 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:07.400 the top three receivers like a Jamar Chase and DeVante 0:07:07.480 --> 0:07:11.080 Smith and a Jalin Waddle, where does Kyle Pitts rank 0:07:11.120 --> 0:07:14.240 among those three And is there a chance that any 0:07:14.280 --> 0:07:16.400 of those three guys if they're there at ten, Because 0:07:16.600 --> 0:07:18.560 chances are there will be one of those three at 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:21.440 ten that the Cowboys at least look that direction, But 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:24.840 is that still even a realistic possibility with the needs 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:29.200 they have on defense? I mean I still would have personally, 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:31.840 I mean, Kyle Pitts is such a matchup maker. It 0:07:31.840 --> 0:07:34.680 almost matters what you have on your team. And I know, 0:07:34.760 --> 0:07:37.160 like I should give like a salacious answer that he 0:07:37.160 --> 0:07:39.440 would be my number one wide receiver, but he would 0:07:39.440 --> 0:07:41.800 not be for me. Though my list is a little 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:44.560 different than Danes a little bit. I mean, the top 0:07:44.680 --> 0:07:47.560 three guys, but I still have Davante Smith is my 0:07:47.640 --> 0:07:51.280 number one wide receiver, and then Chase and then Waddle 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:56.200 and love them all. I would probably be Smith, Chase Waddle, 0:07:56.480 --> 0:07:59.760 and then Kyle Pitts, depending on what you're asking me 0:07:59.800 --> 0:08:01.520 to do. Though, you know, it's it's just a little 0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:03.880 different what you have on your roster, because I do 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:07.520 think supplementing what you have is important. I think if 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:11.080 you have the same types of wide receivers, that's fine, 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:13.480 but I think it's a lot more dangerous if you 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:18.000 have a home run threat, a clear separator, a physical guy, 0:08:18.000 --> 0:08:19.600 and you can have them all and piece them together. 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:21.880 You know, That's that's where I kind of looks So 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:24.600 from a Cowboys perspective, you know, we know Ceedee Lamp 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:26.600 can kind of do it all. You know how Mary 0:08:26.640 --> 0:08:29.239 Cooper is kind of your separator guy. We know Michael 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:31.320 Gallup's kind of your physical and deep ball type of 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:34.040 threat most of the time. And that's not saying that 0:08:34.080 --> 0:08:35.800 none of these guys can't do some of those other things. 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:39.360 You know, how does Kyle Pitts fit into that? They 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:43.280 don't need that right now. Looks good next year, though, 0:08:43.280 --> 0:08:45.360 doesn't it if Michael Gallup is gone. So that's what 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:47.480 things kind of change for me. So I would still 0:08:47.480 --> 0:08:50.959 have those three wide receivers over Pitts, just for like 0:08:51.480 --> 0:08:54.360 that if you're drafting a wide receiver. But because if 0:08:54.400 --> 0:08:56.360 I'm drafting Kyle Pitts, I'm using him as a tight 0:08:56.480 --> 0:08:58.920 end as well. I will put him in line every 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:00.960 now and then just to throw off formations and things 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:06.720 like that. Dane, why do you have Davante Smith third 0:09:06.800 --> 0:09:09.600 on that list behind his teammate Jalelen Waddle and then 0:09:09.640 --> 0:09:12.120 of course Jamar Chase, who was your number one wide receiver, 0:09:12.280 --> 0:09:15.000 Because I mean, of course the historic seas that Davante 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:17.720 Smith ended up having, You're still not necessarily convinced he 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:20.400 could translate to the to the next level at least 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:23.559 better than those two guys. No, I mean, I wouldn't 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:25.880 phrase it like that because I mean, I'm convinced he'll 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:28.280 be fine at the next level. It's just you got 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:31.840 to separate these guys somehow. And you know, to me, 0:09:32.000 --> 0:09:35.280 Jamar Chase, Uh, you know, I think there's a lot 0:09:35.360 --> 0:09:38.880 of people, not a lot of people. Some people are 0:09:39.040 --> 0:09:42.280 you know, just they've they've kind of forgotten how dominant 0:09:42.320 --> 0:09:44.920 he was last year. Um. You know, he's he's not 0:09:45.040 --> 0:09:47.480 six four, he's more like six foot. He's not a 0:09:47.520 --> 0:09:49.719 fourth three athlete. He's more of a you know, four 0:09:49.840 --> 0:09:54.079 four eight type of athlete. But his ability to get open, 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:58.000 his ball skills down the field are just you know, 0:09:58.320 --> 0:10:02.600 it's Larry fitzgerald s And uh, to me, with what 0:10:02.679 --> 0:10:05.320 he did last year, that that just sold me. Um, 0:10:05.679 --> 0:10:07.880 he's the top receiver in this draft in my opinion. 0:10:08.320 --> 0:10:09.920 And then it comes to the Alabama guys, and this 0:10:10.000 --> 0:10:12.240 is what it gets difficult because Davante Smith, I mean, 0:10:12.280 --> 0:10:14.600 how do you look at what he did this year 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:17.679 and not be impressed and you know he will translate 0:10:17.720 --> 0:10:19.920 to the next level. Um, the one hundred and seventy 0:10:19.920 --> 0:10:22.880 five pounds does it doesn't scare me? Yeah, sure, I 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:25.439 think you'd be you know, you can't just look at 0:10:25.440 --> 0:10:27.280 his career and say, oh, well he stayed healthy, so 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:29.880 he'll be healthy his entire NFL career. That's not really 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:32.120 how it works. Yeah, he's avoided injury to this point, 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:34.360 and that's great, and I hopefully he does uh and 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:37.040 he continues to be healthy. But at one hundred and 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:40.240 seventy one hundred and seventy five pounds that it's just tougher. 0:10:40.559 --> 0:10:43.160 It's tougher to stay healthy when you're you know, bigger 0:10:43.160 --> 0:10:47.480 guys are hitting you at uh, you know, much faster speeds. So, 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:49.960 you know, I think at the end of the day, 0:10:50.840 --> 0:10:54.640 Jalen Waddle his continued maturation as a route runner and 0:10:54.800 --> 0:10:58.520 as being more than just an athlete. Um, he's his 0:10:58.520 --> 0:11:01.440 his ability to create those big plays, four plays at 0:11:01.440 --> 0:11:04.520 seventy five plus yards the last two years. That ability 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:06.600 to create big plays is kind of what gave him 0:11:06.640 --> 0:11:09.319 the edge over Tavante Smith for me, but again, Tavante, 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:12.080 I mean these guys are so close. I mean it's 0:11:12.080 --> 0:11:15.080 not like there's a gap between these two players. I 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:20.160 think both are worthy of top ten consideration. Jeff, where 0:11:20.160 --> 0:11:22.600 do you have those top three guys ranked with Jase 0:11:23.080 --> 0:11:25.439 Smith and Waddle? And even if you wanted to throw 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:29.560 Kyle Pits in there as well. Oh man, I'm excuse me. 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:32.080 I'm a coward when it comes to all of those 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:34.800 guys at the moment, because I think they're all monsters. 0:11:34.960 --> 0:11:37.280 But I did know. I came into today wanting to 0:11:37.320 --> 0:11:40.520 fight Dane and so I'm excited to have my first 0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:44.840 opening here because I hate. I hate the weight thing 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:48.320 like it's been I've seen a study on it from 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:51.319 football outsiders where people who are lighter at any given 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:54.200 position group do not get hurt more than people who 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:57.160 are heavier. The little guys don't get hurt more often 0:11:57.160 --> 0:11:59.880 than the big guys. It's never it's not borne out 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:03.640 in an actual injuries and data. I think that's just 0:12:03.679 --> 0:12:05.520 something we look at him and we assume, like oop, man, 0:12:05.559 --> 0:12:07.560 it's really gonna hurt when that big guy hurt hits you. 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:10.400 And it's like it's never been born out to be 0:12:10.679 --> 0:12:14.280 factual in the NFL. So like, wait, won't bother me 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:18.920 unless it functionally affects you on the football field, So 0:12:19.000 --> 0:12:22.679 like the Smith. Wait. Thing doesn't bother me, but I 0:12:23.240 --> 0:12:25.400 go back and forth with all three of them. I'm 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:28.320 just like, they're all studs. What do you want? Like? 0:12:28.400 --> 0:12:33.240 I think DeVante Smith is a Marvin Harrison type, the 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:38.559 explosive route runner, the change of speed and direction. Jamar 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:42.280 Chase will manhandle like people trying to press cover Jamar 0:12:42.360 --> 0:12:44.520 Chase and he just tosses them around and then catches 0:12:44.520 --> 0:12:46.120 the football on top of their head and moves on 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:49.000 with his day and then waddle. I think is the 0:12:49.080 --> 0:12:53.280 best chance to be a Tyreek Hill type. He's not 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:57.040 as thick, so he wouldn't be as explosive like after 0:12:57.080 --> 0:12:59.840 the catch. But he's the sort of guy that when 0:12:59.840 --> 0:13:01.520 you watch him, he just moves at a different speed 0:13:01.520 --> 0:13:06.319 than literally everyone else on the field. It's February, so 0:13:06.440 --> 0:13:09.760 I'm a coward and I don't have an order yet 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:13.320 I want all of them. And Kyle Pitts, you just 0:13:13.400 --> 0:13:15.480 double up on your cowardice and you say he's a 0:13:15.520 --> 0:13:18.559 tight end, not a receiver, so you will have your 0:13:18.679 --> 0:13:24.960 order within around. I would put Pits and I feel 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:27.640 bad about it, but I would put Pits behind the 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:33.200 wide receivers just to cover my butt from a historical 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:37.040 perspective of tight ends, the NFL has done a worse 0:13:37.200 --> 0:13:39.480 job of finding them in the first and a better 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:42.440 job of finding them later. And at receiver it's the opposite. 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:44.760 They do do a good job of finding them early 0:13:45.280 --> 0:13:48.880 and it's not hard later, but it's harder than tight end. 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:51.160 So I think I would just use the positions to 0:13:51.200 --> 0:13:54.960 sort of break that tie, because it's just it's a 0:13:55.000 --> 0:13:58.280 bad history of picking tight ends that early. And I 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:01.400 love Pits. So if the Cowboys took him at ten, 0:14:01.440 --> 0:14:03.319 would I be excited and fired up for it? Yeah? 0:14:03.360 --> 0:14:06.440 Actually I would. I would like the pick. I'd be like, shoot, yeah, 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:08.480 you think he's the best player, but I would be 0:14:08.520 --> 0:14:12.520 wary because of the history of it and the positional 0:14:12.600 --> 0:14:18.440 value in the league. Dang rebuttal. So you're saying if 0:14:18.480 --> 0:14:20.480 you list them as a receiver, he's a better chance 0:14:20.480 --> 0:14:24.560 of hitting. No, I'm saying, no, no, no, I'm saying 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:26.000 he's a tight end. I'm saying if I had to 0:14:26.120 --> 0:14:30.320 order those four guys, I would order Kyle Pitt's fourth 0:14:30.640 --> 0:14:35.320 in my rankings, just because he does play tight end 0:14:35.320 --> 0:14:37.920 and he doesn't play wide receiver, and the tight end 0:14:38.000 --> 0:14:41.880 history is much much scarier than the wide receiver history 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:44.840 when you're using a pick that high on that position. 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:49.320 So I would you're not punishing receivers. Yeah, I'm punishing 0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:51.720 Pits for being a tight end and putting him behind 0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:54.640 the top three receivers because he's a tight end, gotcha. Yeah, 0:14:54.680 --> 0:14:56.360 And I mean he is a tight end. He lines 0:14:56.440 --> 0:14:58.960 up in line, and even if he's a new age 0:14:59.000 --> 0:15:01.840 tight end, which you know he'll you know, look at 0:15:01.920 --> 0:15:03.920 Travis Kelsey and how the Chiefs use him. He's not 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:06.400 you know a lot of times he's he's out wide, 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:09.240 he's detached. So you know, I don't think that, you know, 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:11.560 he has to be a guy that spends most of 0:15:11.560 --> 0:15:13.240 his time with his hand on the ground to be 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:15.640 considered a tight end. That's just not how the NFL works. 0:15:15.680 --> 0:15:17.920 So he is absolutely a tight end. Um. I mean, 0:15:18.000 --> 0:15:20.200 my rebuttal to what you said about the weight, I mean, 0:15:20.720 --> 0:15:24.640 if you had two receivers that had the same exact speed, 0:15:24.840 --> 0:15:28.680 skill sets, everything, height, but one it was one hundred 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:30.720 and seventy pounds, the other was two hundred pounds, which 0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:33.640 one are you taken? You're taking the two hundred pounder? Why? 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:36.720 I Well, I think that's unrealistic though I'd to say 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:39.480 that they're gonna be. Why is that realistic? I'm saying 0:15:39.520 --> 0:15:41.560 if they were, if there's a scenario where there's the 0:15:41.600 --> 0:15:45.320 same speed, same skill set, the same strengths weaknesses, they're 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:48.480 the exact same player, except one's two hundred pounds one 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:51.480 one hundred seventy pounds. Which one are you taking? Theoretically, 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:54.320 you are going to take the two hundred pounder because 0:15:54.920 --> 0:15:58.600 there's just I mean, you can, you can cite the study, 0:15:58.720 --> 0:16:01.800 but I mean just using common sense of and how 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:06.120 science works. Having better bulk on your body, you're gonna 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:08.280 have a better chance of uh you know that that's 0:16:08.320 --> 0:16:10.320 body armor, You're gonna have a better chance to staying healthy. 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:12.400 I mean, that's just I don't know. To me, that's 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:15.760 common sense. But I think that's the problem. I think 0:16:15.800 --> 0:16:18.760 so many things we perceive as common sense aren't actually 0:16:18.880 --> 0:16:21.840 common sense. It's just our initial reaction. Like Kyler Murray 0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:24.440 is much less likely to get hurt than Ben Roethlisberger. 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:29.160 Ben Roethlisberger has quote body armor, he gets hurt. Andrew Luck, 0:16:29.200 --> 0:16:31.680 Carson Wentz, the big guys, those are the guys that 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:34.240 are getting destroyed. The little guys get hurt. They get 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:37.280 hit a lot more. I mean, and I think part 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:40.440 of they gets hit more than Kyler oh yeah, oh 0:16:40.560 --> 0:16:43.600 yeah easily. And how many I honestly, how many hundred 0:16:43.600 --> 0:16:45.800 and seventy pound receivers are there in the league, you know, 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:48.240 like I think, not size, well, that that's what, like 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:51.920 the sample size isn't really there when you start comparing 0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:54.760 them to others. I mean, I don't know, I don't personally, 0:16:54.960 --> 0:16:57.720 I don't buy that for a second that uh, you know, 0:16:57.800 --> 0:17:01.560 weight does not matter that and part of it, part 0:17:01.560 --> 0:17:02.920 of it is is you know, there's a reason we 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:04.560 don't see a lot of one hundred and seventy five 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:07.199 one hundred and seventy pound receivers in the league or 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:10.160 just players in the league period. And you know, part 0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:12.480 of it is because you know, it's hard to make 0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:15.840 it at that size. Um, And so I mean the 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:18.800 guys that do make it are you know, tougher than heck. 0:17:18.840 --> 0:17:21.280 And that's part of it. So and again this is 0:17:21.320 --> 0:17:23.199 not to say I don't want this to you know, 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:25.600 listeners to come away from this to saying they're thinking 0:17:25.640 --> 0:17:28.520 that I don't believe Dante Smith's an NFL player. I 0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:31.520 absolutely think he is. I would absolutely draft him in 0:17:31.600 --> 0:17:35.199 the top ten. But is there a little bit of 0:17:35.200 --> 0:17:38.760 concern there because of his of his size. Absolutely, I 0:17:38.800 --> 0:17:41.879 think I think you'd be crazy not to at least 0:17:42.160 --> 0:17:45.360 think about that, how his size might affect him at 0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:48.639 the next level, and you know, not just brushing it 0:17:48.680 --> 0:17:50.880 away and saying, oh, he'll be fine, he's he's just 0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:53.080 just as likely to get hurt as you know, a 0:17:53.080 --> 0:17:55.119 guy that's two hundred and fifteen pounds, or you know 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:58.320 Calvin Johnson or any one of these guys. I do 0:17:58.400 --> 0:18:00.680 want to point out dating that my act argument would 0:18:00.680 --> 0:18:03.639 be technically that Calvin Johnson would be more likely to 0:18:03.680 --> 0:18:06.440 get hurt just by a little bit. But that's what 0:18:06.560 --> 0:18:10.800 evidence tells us at every position, not just receiver, the 0:18:10.880 --> 0:18:14.520 heavier guys get hurt a little more. But that's just data. 0:18:14.640 --> 0:18:16.560 You don't get to throw away data. Why would you 0:18:16.600 --> 0:18:20.240 do that because you think it's I don't I don't 0:18:20.240 --> 0:18:24.880 buy that for a second, because again, sample size matters here. Uh. 0:18:25.119 --> 0:18:28.240 You know, we're talking about how many receivers are there 0:18:28.240 --> 0:18:30.240 in the league one hundred and seventy pounds. I mean 0:18:30.280 --> 0:18:32.520 you're talking about a handful. There's not many and why 0:18:32.520 --> 0:18:34.600 are we talking about a handful because those guys don't 0:18:34.600 --> 0:18:37.600 make it. Yeah, but you can do the same thing 0:18:37.600 --> 0:18:40.480 with quarterback. How many sub six foot quarterbacks are there? 0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:42.600 And why didn't they make it? Because of opportunity? Because 0:18:42.640 --> 0:18:46.080 people perceive them that way, And as you stop perceiving 0:18:46.119 --> 0:18:48.920 them that way and people get opportunities, you're assuming more 0:18:48.960 --> 0:18:51.479 guys perceived. You're you're assuming that's perceived and it's not. 0:18:51.600 --> 0:18:53.600 They just they couldn't make it because of the size. 0:18:53.840 --> 0:18:58.159 I mean, yeah, is there a stigma against shorter, smaller quarterbacks. Sure, absolutely, 0:18:58.160 --> 0:19:00.919 that's a thing. But to say that that's the reason 0:19:01.000 --> 0:19:04.159 and not that they couldn't stay healthy or you know 0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:09.240 that they couldn't overcome the size, that's an assumption. And also, Jeff, 0:19:09.240 --> 0:19:12.000 you were talking about throwing away data. Isn't throwing away 0:19:12.119 --> 0:19:14.119 data exactly what you're doing when you're talking about a 0:19:14.119 --> 0:19:16.480 two hundred pound receiver versus one hundred and seventy five 0:19:16.520 --> 0:19:21.000 pound receiver. How you're throwing out the weight, which has 0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:24.440 been a piece of data that teams have relied on 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:28.000 and scouts in front offices have relied on for the past. However, 0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:31.560 a hundred years or so, whenever it comes to evaluating prospects, 0:19:31.800 --> 0:19:34.280 and sure, yeah, there's data outside of that that kind 0:19:34.280 --> 0:19:38.200 of puts some context to it, but ultimately, the weight 0:19:38.320 --> 0:19:40.560 is a piece of data as well. You can't necessarily 0:19:40.760 --> 0:19:43.639 not take that into context whenever you're looking at prospects. 0:19:44.000 --> 0:19:46.640 I don't I guess, I don't understand what you mean. Like, yes, 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:49.119 they weigh a certain amount, but what am I throwing 0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:52.440 out I'm telling you what that amount means really just 0:19:52.480 --> 0:19:54.959 saying positions and getting hurt. You're just saying it. You 0:19:55.040 --> 0:19:58.800 don't think it matters as much as it should. Ultimately, 0:20:00.200 --> 0:20:01.720 I don't know. I don't think. Let me, I'll be 0:20:01.840 --> 0:20:05.440 very clear. I don't think your weight matters at all. Oh, okay, 0:20:05.800 --> 0:20:09.680 at all except for in the way that it affects 0:20:09.680 --> 0:20:12.880 your play on the field. Like in terms of he's 0:20:12.920 --> 0:20:16.560 going to get hurt because he's small. That's factually inaccurate, 0:20:16.800 --> 0:20:19.600 so that I don't believe in any way. I'm not 0:20:19.680 --> 0:20:22.679 scared off by your weight unless your weight means you 0:20:22.720 --> 0:20:24.719 can't get off the line of scrimmage, you get bullied, 0:20:24.720 --> 0:20:27.560 you get thrown off the sideline. If your weight affects 0:20:27.560 --> 0:20:30.800