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Speaker 1: The world changed Memorial Day weekend. That was the weekend
Speaker 1: that unfortunately, something very close to you lost his life
Speaker 1: for the world to see. And I think what made
Speaker 1: this particular incident different was normally, unfortunately, when there's police
Speaker 1: brutality against blacks, they're shot and it's a quick death. Now,
Speaker 1: like I said, that's unfortunate, but it's it is what
Speaker 1: it is. I think for nine minutes, the world watched
Speaker 1: this man suffer. The world watched this man babe for
Speaker 1: his life. We watched him call for his dead mom,
Speaker 1: like my mom is dead. I couldn't imagine what kind
Speaker 1: of paint he had to be into, call for something
Speaker 1: he knew that wasn't there. And I think the fact
Speaker 1: that we saw this for nearly the length of an
Speaker 1: NBA quarter changed the minds of some, not all, but
Speaker 1: changed the minds of some. And that was the beginning
Speaker 1: of hopefully in New America. Talk to me what it
Speaker 1: was like, you know, obviously first and foremost knowing him,
Speaker 1: but then getting out to Minnesota and you kind of
Speaker 1: taking the role you took, because I know it's very unexpected.
Speaker 1: It changed my life, of course. I mean, I'll just
Speaker 1: go back to from the beginning. I was in high
Speaker 1: school and a friend of mine name Telly, he was
Speaker 1: back and forth in Houston and UH in my hometown
Speaker 1: Port Arthur, was like an hour away, and he was like,
Speaker 1: when I got a friend named Floyd Man, y'all might
Speaker 1: have the same daddy man, y'all motherfucker's look like, huh,
Speaker 1: I'm just playing basketball. And I really listened to him.
Speaker 1: You know, Tellor was doing this thing. I don't the court.
Speaker 1: He was like, I'm gonna bring him back, I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: and he brings him down as soon as I see him.
Speaker 1: Our first words to each other was you know. And
Speaker 1: from that moment we called each other twin and and
Speaker 1: and doing the course of time, you know, we lived
Speaker 1: two different lives. He definitely lived the street life, but
Speaker 1: at the same time, that could have been you if
Speaker 1: it wasn't exactly See as I said, I was blessed
Speaker 1: to have more opportunity. I said it all the time.
Speaker 1: That's the only difference between me and him. I had.
Speaker 1: I had opportunities, and trust me, you know, just like everybody,
Speaker 1: I was going down that same path. When I get
Speaker 1: to talk about Josh Paston is the reason why I
Speaker 1: didn't go down there. But we end up becoming close.
Speaker 1: Every off season I go to Houston, he the first
Speaker 1: person I pick up. We hang out, shop, do everything together.
Speaker 1: Me playing basketball. We kind of lost contact of times,
Speaker 1: but we spoke at least once or twice a year.
Speaker 1: I had talked to him right before he moved to Minnesota,
Speaker 1: you know, he had we had went this some time,
Speaker 1: came home and uh wanted wanted to change his life.
Speaker 1: And we have daughters the same age. It's got the
Speaker 1: same age, so we should always talk about our kids.
Speaker 1: He was going to Minnesota because he wanted to get
Speaker 1: out of the environment. You know, sometimes you just got
Speaker 1: to change the environment to change your life. And his
Speaker 1: heart was always in the right place. He just could
Speaker 1: never could get his environment to match his heart, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So he felt like going to
Speaker 1: Minnesota was the change, fresh start. While he meant so
Speaker 1: much to me, is because you have a lot of
Speaker 1: people we have success, that call you for the wrong reasons,
Speaker 1: that abuse our friendship, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: with him going to Minnesota, he could have called me
Speaker 1: for anything, because you know I would have done it
Speaker 1: for him. This is the only person I could set
Speaker 1: on my twin. He called me and asked me for
Speaker 1: clothes for job interviews. But it blew my mind, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I saw the change in it
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, because we talked about so
Speaker 1: much stuff. He wanted to be flying, he wanted to
Speaker 1: flost and all that him to call me and say
Speaker 1: all I need is clothes for job interviews. I knew
Speaker 1: his mind was different. I knew he was thinking. If
Speaker 1: I knew, he went to Jarn rehabilitated himself. So to
Speaker 1: see how it ended up, how did you find out?
Speaker 1: I was actually sleep on the on the couch with
Speaker 1: Sky and my girl and Tammy, her mom, my girlfriend.
Speaker 1: She's from Minnesota. Her family lives in Minneso. She sent
Speaker 1: me the video and I'm you know, I'm half sleep
Speaker 1: and I look at it. I kind of just like
Speaker 1: breathe through it. Because we talked about all the time.
Speaker 1: I didn't not realize that who it was, didn't I
Speaker 1: didn't even look at it like that, and I thought
Speaker 1: it was just another black meget killed by police, you know.
Speaker 1: I kind of laid back down next to the sky
Speaker 1: and I just my eyes was over. So I just
Speaker 1: started scrolling through my phone and I got like fifty
Speaker 1: something messages and I hid the message from my homeboard.
Speaker 1: Mike den It says, you see what they did your
Speaker 1: twin in Minnesota, and uh, when I saw the message,
Speaker 1: it just correlated the message that I grew up, my
Speaker 1: mama had something, and it just sucked me up because
Speaker 1: I've seen myself down, you know. It just I didn't
Speaker 1: expect it to be him, and I I was I
Speaker 1: got mad, you know me. I started throwing stuff and uh,
Speaker 1: I just had to get myself together. Bro, it's tough.
Speaker 1: It's tough. It was a situation, I mean, similar to
Speaker 1: the way you looked at it. I didn't look at
Speaker 1: the message. I didn't look at the video for like
Speaker 1: two days because I just I saw it from the
Speaker 1: beginning and I'm just like, damn, like another one, Like
Speaker 1: I don't even feel like like I don't want to
Speaker 1: suck my whole day up because you and I are
Speaker 1: very similar. Like I'm gonna post it, I'm gonna say something,
Speaker 1: You're gonna do the same thing. So I avoided the
Speaker 1: situation for two days and then I looked at the
Speaker 1: video and like I said, the one thing that stuck
Speaker 1: to me was the length that it happened. And then
Speaker 1: knowing that my mom is dead and another man's mother
Speaker 1: it's dead and he called out to her like damn
Speaker 1: like that to what people don't know is as a man,
Speaker 1: especially a black man, you're not screaming your for your
Speaker 1: mother unless you know you at your last breath. Are
Speaker 1: you helpless? Are you helpless? I remember as a kid
Speaker 1: when I I got into a fight and I've never
Speaker 1: been arrested, but being a police handcuffs scared me so
Speaker 1: much that I was screaming for my mom and she
Speaker 1: couldn't do nothing, But I was screaming for because I
Speaker 1: was so terrified because I've never been arrested. We only
Speaker 1: do that. We have no On top of that, to
Speaker 1: know she's dead too. One thing that really has bothered me,
Speaker 1: and I think it really was highlighted in the George
Speaker 1: Floyd situation. But all these because he was not the first.
Speaker 1: He wasn't He hasn't even been the last. Unfortunately, there's
Speaker 1: been several since him is the first thing they want
Speaker 1: to do is find the reason why it's okay, well
Speaker 1: he did this or he did that, and like you
Speaker 1: just touched on, he had been down. You know that
Speaker 1: ship happened to people, but he was trying to rehabilitate itself.
Speaker 1: He called you, not for money, but for some suits
Speaker 1: for job interviews. You know what I mean, but the
Speaker 1: first thing people want to do to justify this bullshit
Speaker 1: is in second grade, he did this, he did that,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Just because at the time
Speaker 1: these cops acuting these people, they don't know these people's
Speaker 1: track record, right, that could be church go words, they
Speaker 1: could be getting yoga people, or they could have some
Speaker 1: criminal background. But at this stuff like, you don't know that.
Speaker 1: But tell me how you ended up being front line
Speaker 1: because next thing I know, I'm seeing you literally front
Speaker 1: line and I'm just like, okay, shift, here we go.
Speaker 1: You know, as basketball players go, it's not too much
Speaker 1: that we don't feel we can control. I felt helpless, dog,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I felt helpless. I was mad,
Speaker 1: I was angry. I want to hurt somebody. I just
Speaker 1: wanted to do something. Having coming sense, I knew I
Speaker 1: couldn't do nothing stupid. So what could I do to
Speaker 1: to make an impact? You know what I mean? What
Speaker 1: could I do to show people my frustration and show
Speaker 1: that this has to stop. In the midst of my tears, man,
Speaker 1: I just feel like, you know what, I gotta go
Speaker 1: down there and make my presence known and stand for
Speaker 1: Georgia and That's what I did, man. I got with
Speaker 1: my publishists, set up a press conference. I had some
Speaker 1: powerful people with me to make them matter, and so
Speaker 1: many other people trade my song and be had a
Speaker 1: lot of people with me. I didn't know the magnitude
Speaker 1: what was gonna stem out from it, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. I had no no clue what was gonna happen.
Speaker 1: But I was just going down there, man, to let
Speaker 1: people know that Georgie has somebody that's gonna speak up
Speaker 1: for him. You know, in so many cases what people
Speaker 1: didn't have anybody's what they do. They just don't have
Speaker 1: the platform. And that's the thing. The media would demean
Speaker 1: this character and and something else will happened and they'll
Speaker 1: get swept under the rug. But this didn't you know
Speaker 1: when you spoke, that was my whole point from going
Speaker 1: down there, you know, because I knew, like you said,
Speaker 1: I knew it was gonna try to demean his character.
Speaker 1: But I knew I had to be the face for him.
Speaker 1: And not only that, I knew we looked at like
Speaker 1: so you literally got the face for you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And that's why I said, when when you
Speaker 1: see me, I want you to see him. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean, And like I said, a lot of
Speaker 1: things them from real quick. How did you guys get
Speaker 1: the same size and shape nose though, I don't know.
Speaker 1: You guys picked them ships out of something I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. We got to say,
Speaker 1: I don't know how that happened. Man, Rest in peace, George, Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: Mr Georgie. But the people in Minnesota was happy to
Speaker 1: see me there because not only was out there crying
Speaker 1: for my brother, but I did inherited so many other
Speaker 1: mother's pain man who don't have a Stephen Jackson to
Speaker 1: speak up, speak up for them. Cardell Charell a kid
Speaker 1: that had a preexistent pre existent condition. They arrested and
Speaker 1: put him in on itself for eight hours. Now. He
Speaker 1: told him he needed to see a doctorm before they
Speaker 1: put him in the sale. They left him in the
Speaker 1: eight hours. It's on camera, you can see him going
Speaker 1: through it. They just let him die. The mom finds
Speaker 1: out she has nobody to speak for him. She caused
Speaker 1: the police station. They won't even answer the cause or
Speaker 1: give up. She got the footage, but they won't even
Speaker 1: give give no explanation of what happened as we were
Speaker 1: walking out the press conference match. She's on the corner
Speaker 1: by herself, this old lady with a signed crying for
Speaker 1: her son. I have to be the voice far right,
Speaker 1: you know. So this is all the stuff that's coming
Speaker 1: from me going down there and speak for him. And
Speaker 1: I've never thought I'll see an actual ride. I never
Speaker 1: thought i'd get out of a car and people go
Speaker 1: crazy and just want to stand there and fight with me,
Speaker 1: like I've never seen nothing like what I've seen in Minnesota.
Speaker 1: But I think Minnesota had to respond that way because
Speaker 1: the guy who actually murdered my brother has sixteen other
Speaker 1: citations that he that he was up for. So it's
Speaker 1: been other murders and other and and a whole bunch
Speaker 1: stuff done by police in Minnesota way before Georgie that
Speaker 1: they upset about. So I'm glad they responded like that,
Speaker 1: and they have been leading it and making change. Maybe
Speaker 1: there there's a lot of changes happened in Minnesota, and
Speaker 1: I hope a lot of states, you know, follow suit.
Speaker 1: But if you think about it, I mean this was
Speaker 1: a protest. I mean protests happened normally in in certain cities,
Speaker 1: urban cities this is something that that that went across
Speaker 1: the whole United States and how many countries sixteen like
Speaker 1: this was the one and for you to be frontline, uh,
Speaker 1: the leading face, the leading voice in it. Obviously, like
Speaker 1: you mentioned, there's other people who were there, and and
Speaker 1: and but but for an athlete to be that and
Speaker 1: do that, what was it like to really be out?
Speaker 1: Like you mentioned the moms sharing her story, But what
Speaker 1: was it like being in the streets and and and
Speaker 1: obviously Minnesota hasn't been the only like you've been on
Speaker 1: more of what you've been traveling like, you're back in
Speaker 1: the NBA. You're from city to city, march to march,
Speaker 1: charity to charity. What's that love like? Because I felt
Speaker 1: it before and I know how special it is. I'm
Speaker 1: marching with these people or I'm talking to a bunch
Speaker 1: of people. It's good because they really are leaning on
Speaker 1: you and feel you and looking for guidance. What was
Speaker 1: it like for you, because, like I said, you led
Speaker 1: one of the biggest protests or the biggest protests in
Speaker 1: the history of the United States. Well, I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: this broke. It's it's good and bad because you put
Speaker 1: a lot of smiles on people's faces when they see
Speaker 1: as you know, when they actually see you, Matt, and
Speaker 1: make them believe that somebody cares. But then again, just
Speaker 1: like weeks ago, I fear four thousand families in my
Speaker 1: hometowns and this is where it hurt come you realize
Speaker 1: how many people need. And that's what really tears me
Speaker 1: down the whole time. Like y'all, I love doing it
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna keep doing it, but you realize how
Speaker 1: many people need, how many people are without, and it's
Speaker 1: all races. It ain't just black people, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Especially when I go on these ghettos and
Speaker 1: they was all racists in these ghettos. That's suffering. They're
Speaker 1: struggle and that need help and they need to know
Speaker 1: that people care about them, don't. So as I've been
Speaker 1: doing it, I've become more and more passionate because I
Speaker 1: see it and they face when they actually see us
Speaker 1: me and Chhime. It gives them hope, like they really
Speaker 1: care about this, like we're just not being swept under
Speaker 1: the road. And and and that passion is just growing
Speaker 1: in me. Bro, you know what I mean, because I
Speaker 1: know I'm helping people and I'm doing guards work. What
Speaker 1: have you learned being out there and on the front
Speaker 1: line about equality and systematic racism and everything that we knew,
Speaker 1: but actually being in the middle of it and feeling it.
Speaker 1: What did you take and what did you learn from that?
Speaker 1: A couple of things, don't um. I learned that everything
Speaker 1: that's going on, it was set up to go this way.
Speaker 1: It's not broken. This is the way it was me
Speaker 1: and I understand too now too. You know how people
Speaker 1: are used to were saying, well Obama didn't do this,
Speaker 1: Obama and do that. Well, I understand why he didn't.
Speaker 1: He couldn't because the system wouldn't let him do. His
Speaker 1: hands were tied, even though Obamacare was a water down
Speaker 1: version of what he wanted to do. And that's what
Speaker 1: people don't understand. Man, It's way bigger. There's godless who
Speaker 1: wanted the president is still behind the scenes, and you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, still a system. But I also
Speaker 1: learned this too, Matt all to learn this too. It's
Speaker 1: a lot of us that don't want equality. It's a
Speaker 1: lot of black people that don't want equality, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's more it's it's a lot of
Speaker 1: other races that stand with us. And it's more we're
Speaker 1: fighting our own people too, and we've been doing that
Speaker 1: for us be our biggest weakness. Well, that's just making
Speaker 1: it harder. That's the first thing that people want to
Speaker 1: bring up. Or Black lives Matter, with black lives matters
Speaker 1: against police brutality towards black people and black lives matter.
Speaker 1: Why you guys killing each other? And that's definitely an
Speaker 1: issue too, but it's an answer to But we know
Speaker 1: the answer to that. Somebody's proximity. It's not black on black,
Speaker 1: it's white on white. It's baby, it's the systems. The system.
Speaker 1: If you get all these men in here and leave
Speaker 1: us in this room for a month and one piece
Speaker 1: of chicken, we're gonna get into it. But with then,
Speaker 1: with the windows open, you can see just a buffet
Speaker 1: of everything out in front of you. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean. It's it's the way the system is set up.
Speaker 1: Like you said, it's not broken, it's working how it
Speaker 1: should be. And that's what we have to try to
Speaker 1: help change is you know those answers. Yeah, we have
Speaker 1: those answers. Spend the same money spending this suburbs where
Speaker 1: it ain't no more ghettos where it ain't no more projects,
Speaker 1: where the ain't no more slums, where when they walk
Speaker 1: out their houses, they don't have to go stand on
Speaker 1: the corner and fight over ten dollars, where they both
Speaker 1: have businesses in that same neighborhood and the money is
Speaker 1: circulated in their neighborhood. I guarantee you they're killing the stop,
Speaker 1: there's no question. But they know that we want to understand.
Speaker 1: They want us to take each other out, But that's
Speaker 1: what we have to realize that as a community, as
Speaker 1: a people, and like when we tell people to put
Speaker 1: the guns down, then what you know. I'm working with
Speaker 1: a group in Sacramento called Advanced Peace and we work
Speaker 1: with frontline shooters, Like we work with the people who
Speaker 1: are doing the shootings, are the people that are most
Speaker 1: likely to be shot, and we try to bring them
Speaker 1: with this program eighteen month program. For nine months, you
Speaker 1: set goals and try to accomplish your goals, and then
Speaker 1: once you get to that tenth month, you can earn
Speaker 1: money up until the eighteen program till you graduate. So
Speaker 1: we're directly on the front line with people who are
Speaker 1: doing what we're doing. You know, obviously black lives matters
Speaker 1: is something, but you know, crime against killing each other
Speaker 1: or something that needs to change too. But my whole
Speaker 1: thing is like, we can't expect. We can't tell people
Speaker 1: to put down guns or stop doing this because that's
Speaker 1: all they know and that's their only means. So if
Speaker 1: we're telling them put these guns down, what are we
Speaker 1: put in their hands other than that? Are we putting computers?
Speaker 1: Are we giving them job opportunity, were giving them skills
Speaker 1: to make some money so they don't have they don't
Speaker 1: want to have to kill people. And you've got a
Speaker 1: deep program them from the streets. You can't just take
Speaker 1: them on the streets and give them something that you
Speaker 1: gotta slowly deep programmed them and plot them away from
Speaker 1: what they've been doing their whole life first, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, And that's the only way they can
Speaker 1: go forward. But knowing our power to if we could
Speaker 1: ever come together blacks and browns, and then like you said,
Speaker 1: we have plenty of other allies from other colors that
Speaker 1: are going to jump on board. We can change the world.
Speaker 1: But there's too many of this instead of this, and
Speaker 1: hopefully you know now we can be a part of
Speaker 1: that change. We have been a part of that change.
Speaker 1: Hope we will continue to make progress in that. I
Speaker 1: think what will be five or six weeks out from voting,
Speaker 1: So that's going to be very important, not just only
Speaker 1: on the federal level, but your local and state level,
Speaker 1: because we control the mayor, the d A council members
Speaker 1: for your local cities. Um, So voting on all levels matters.
Speaker 1: But now is the time. And what I tell people too,
Speaker 1: is it this ship didn't happen overnight. This has been
Speaker 1: four hundred plus years of this. So change we try
Speaker 1: to make today is that we aren't going to directly
Speaker 1: see the effect of the work we're putting in, but
Speaker 1: our children will and their children real because like I said,
Speaker 1: that ship didn't change. It didn't happen overnight, and it's
Speaker 1: not gonna change overnight. So we got some work to do. Man,
Speaker 1: But I'm up for it. I know you're up for
Speaker 1: and I'm excited to move forward with it. Probab, you've
Speaker 1: been doing some great work, you two. Man. You too
Speaker 1: pivoting to a situation that hit in the midst of this.
Speaker 1: You got caught up in somewhat of a scandal with
Speaker 1: some anti Semitic When I first seen the situation. Knowing you,
Speaker 1: I knew a percent all you were doing was backing
Speaker 1: up your people, not necessarily knowing what the magnitude of
Speaker 1: it was. But you saw one of your brothers against
Speaker 1: the world, and you were with them, and I knew
Speaker 1: from the without even talking to you, I knew that's
Speaker 1: what you were on. But obviously that turned into a situation,
Speaker 1: and you were in right in the middle with all
Speaker 1: the work, you amazing work you were done, like you
Speaker 1: came to almost a crossroads, work that could all been
Speaker 1: wiped away, you know what I mean. So what did
Speaker 1: you learn in the process of having to show people
Speaker 1: who you really are? When I started doing all the
Speaker 1: work in the streets and doing everything, when I stepped
Speaker 1: up with Georgie and eighteen Countrees and Pitchy State all protested,
Speaker 1: I was sworn that a lot of things are gonna
Speaker 1: come at you. They're gonna your words gonna be twisted
Speaker 1: many different ways because you're standing for something that a
Speaker 1: lot of people don't want. I understood that. I was
Speaker 1: fine with that. What I've been doing before this situation
Speaker 1: was fighting for equality the whole time. I get a
Speaker 1: call from d Jack what text message saying, bro called me,
Speaker 1: called me. I was half sleep, so I didn't reply back,
Speaker 1: and he sends me by four or five messages and
Speaker 1: this is this was the actually what he poked when
Speaker 1: he uh the quote posted, didn't even read the half
Speaker 1: sleep wake up brick Bro called me back. He sends me,
Speaker 1: I think I sent you the text mansion. He sends
Speaker 1: me the picture of what the Eagles posted. My reply
Speaker 1: right back to me was I'm gonna say I saw
Speaker 1: this and reply on this right in my text. Man.
Speaker 1: I sent it to Shaq too, so it was clear
Speaker 1: what I was talking about, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I wasn't even thinking about nothing else. I didn't even
Speaker 1: know nothing about what he posted. So I told himsel,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna defend you on that because they can't handle
Speaker 1: Roley Cooper different than the way that they handled you.
Speaker 1: That's not right. That's what I've been on. This is
Speaker 1: what I've been marching for, and that's why I've been
Speaker 1: in the streets every day up until this actually incident.
Speaker 1: I was clear on what I said. Obviously, what he
Speaker 1: said I should have read, But me personally, I don't
Speaker 1: have a hate for bone in my body, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Said to even think that I'm saying
Speaker 1: something or defended somebody the meaning another race. Everybody knows me.
Speaker 1: I don't think I regret about that. As I could have.
Speaker 1: I could have made it clear what I was saying.
Speaker 1: I've never had a history of race. Them to anybody.
Speaker 1: You wouldn't even know Stephen Jackson if it wasn't for
Speaker 1: a Jewish kid named Josh Pass who's actually the head
Speaker 1: coach with Georgia Tech with the Arizona, right with the Arizona,
Speaker 1: but he drove to my neighborhood drugs being sold. I
Speaker 1: have no idea what my life going to give me
Speaker 1: an opportunity to play on this AIRU team, which his
Speaker 1: dad gave him a six team. So the picture that
Speaker 1: was painting went away over my head. I didn't even
Speaker 1: think about it, but I understood how the hurt behind it,
Speaker 1: and the people who I was cool with I had
Speaker 1: conversation with him. They knew what I was saying, but
Speaker 1: I still had to, you know what I'm saying, had
Speaker 1: to had the conversation. So I understand. But hurt is
Speaker 1: hurt regardless of where it comes from. You. So so
Speaker 1: I didn't need I don't need to be taught to
Speaker 1: love somebody or to treat everybody the same, because I've
Speaker 1: been that person, just like I treat everybody the same.
Speaker 1: This was just a situation where my words was twisted
Speaker 1: and the people that knew me knew what I was saying,
Speaker 1: so that meant more to me. Josh called me and
Speaker 1: he knew exactly what I was saying. That's who really
Speaker 1: saved my life. So by him knowing that meant a
Speaker 1: lot to me, and uh, I just moved forward. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I can tell you being me,
Speaker 1: I don't mind having conversations with anybody because at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, man, I want my emotions on
Speaker 1: my sleep and I don't have a pass history of
Speaker 1: hate nobody, so I just live by that. I think
Speaker 1: it's another situation to where, like you said, it as
Speaker 1: good as the work you're doing in one field, there's
Speaker 1: people who don't like that, so automatically you become a target.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've got death threats. When I started doing
Speaker 1: stuff on Clarkship and talking against the police, I started
Speaker 1: getting death threats. I'm sure you got the same thing.
Speaker 1: So every day it's a situation where now everything we
Speaker 1: both are in a situation now because obviously we have
Speaker 1: the show we have, like we really have to be
Speaker 1: calculated on and and and conscious of when we go
Speaker 1: into specific areas to really explain or just get our
Speaker 1: point across, because it can, like you said, it can
Speaker 1: be taken, it can be twisted. You know, you were
Speaker 1: combating a situation with the way the team treated him,
Speaker 1: but then you got pulled into because, like you said,
Speaker 1: you didn't do your own work with you should have
Speaker 1: of what he actually said. You I mean, but like
Speaker 1: I said, the first thing I saw when I saw it,
Speaker 1: just like first of all, like whoever knows Jack knows Jack.
Speaker 1: It was a tornado for a minute. Man. But I'm
Speaker 1: glad you came out on another side over this whole process. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, since you've kind of taken the front line
Speaker 1: with the George situation, who were some of the people
Speaker 1: helped you get through it? Because I remember talking to you, man,
Speaker 1: and I know you know, I mean, so I know
Speaker 1: when I was saying some ship to you, I know
Speaker 1: it's probably pissing you off, but I knew I had
Speaker 1: to say it. Who are some of the people you
Speaker 1: leaned on and to just kind of get guys I
Speaker 1: remember one time I knew you were tired. I knew
Speaker 1: you needed to get some sleep, but you were just
Speaker 1: going you know, like, Bro, I'm tired. I can't even sleep,
Speaker 1: that's how tired I am. And like you were smoking,
Speaker 1: I was just like before you can help you win,
Speaker 1: else you gotta take care of yourself, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. And this, like I said, this is a
Speaker 1: new process of new situation for you, a new role
Speaker 1: in life for you. That that I think you've taken
Speaker 1: with tremendous honor. And it's been dope just to watch
Speaker 1: and see. But who were the some of the people,
Speaker 1: because I know you had some low points. Who were
Speaker 1: some of the people you leaned on during those low points?
Speaker 1: I gotta thank you. I mean, you know, like you
Speaker 1: said that, we got the relationship where we can tell
Speaker 1: each other what we don't want to hear when it's
Speaker 1: been force. So I appreciate you during the whole time.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you, bro be lieve it and not boss
Speaker 1: man Steve, that's the knows him. I talked to him
Speaker 1: a lot doing this during this time. But I really
Speaker 1: relied on my normal people, al my part of Wheel,
Speaker 1: my girl and Bumby I think Bumby stepped up. I
Speaker 1: think when everything first came out, when and our first
Speaker 1: when I went to Minnesota, he texts me, and you're
Speaker 1: suiting up for the biggest game in your career, I
Speaker 1: mean the biggest game of your life. And I really
Speaker 1: didn't understand it. Then he came back with the next taste,
Speaker 1: may say, everything you've been through in your life built
Speaker 1: you for this moment. I've been having great support and
Speaker 1: like I said, i've been I got invited to talk
Speaker 1: to Trump Biden. I turned all that down because you
Speaker 1: know that's that's not me, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: The people that you need to talk to the get equality,
Speaker 1: you need to talk to them. I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: have those asses. I'm a regular guy, just like you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I'm I just got a big heart.
Speaker 1: And but it's been it's been. Jamie Foxx, he was
Speaker 1: real big. I think as soon as I was going
Speaker 1: to Minnesota, he came down and still with me, you know,
Speaker 1: and um, but I had so many people reaching out
Speaker 1: to me to make a man around love her man.
Speaker 1: That's my sister. She's stood tall with There's been a
Speaker 1: lot of people. But at the end of the day.
Speaker 1: I still don't know what I'm doing that because I'm
Speaker 1: just leaving with my heart. I'm just trying to do
Speaker 1: what's right, you know what I mean, and and not
Speaker 1: not atten times when you're trying to do what's right
Speaker 1: and you're letting your heart lead you, hopefully you're going
Speaker 1: the right direction. Phil, I guess to tie all this
Speaker 1: up from being thrust with the George Floyd situation coming
Speaker 1: to your porch, and from the beginning it was peace, love,
Speaker 1: and to your own admission, still kind of finding out
Speaker 1: what the funk you're doing. You're just leaving with your
Speaker 1: heart and love and you and you don't see color,
Speaker 1: you see people, you see human beings to being thrown
Speaker 1: right in the middle of um the anti Semitic quote
Speaker 1: that was made, and then all of a sudden everyone
Speaker 1: thinks you have that you're hateful and you don't like
Speaker 1: a certain community, when in actuality, the people who know
Speaker 1: and love you know you and know what you were
Speaker 1: about and what you meant. What have you learned and
Speaker 1: how do you feel like we can come together as
Speaker 1: these two communities? You know, I know you went and
Speaker 1: spoke to a rabbi and you and I talked about that.
Speaker 1: Although it was a good idea, it's just like you're
Speaker 1: talking to a complete stranger, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I think you kind of get more out of talking
Speaker 1: to maybe some people of that ethnicity that you know,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, So you can have a
Speaker 1: real deep down conversation, but you know, to never compare atrocities. Obviously,
Speaker 1: the Black community has been through what we've been through.
Speaker 1: The Jewish Committee has been through what they what they've
Speaker 1: been through. How do you feel like we can come
Speaker 1: together as people? The one thing that what things that
Speaker 1: bothered me was that I was put in that position
Speaker 1: where it set It seemed like I was standing on
Speaker 1: the side of the the hate, you know, and it took
Speaker 1: a lot. It's it made a lot for me to
Speaker 1: call the people that I knew, you know what I'm
Speaker 1: saying to men those relationships and I understand people's hurt,
Speaker 1: you know, I understand the other people's pain. And that's
Speaker 1: really what we all need to do, sit down and
Speaker 1: have a conversation and understand each other's pain. And I
Speaker 1: think that's where that's what we fall in line and
Speaker 1: try to make the next person's pain more hurtful. When
Speaker 1: pain is pain, you know what I mean. And and
Speaker 1: to be honest, Matt, I've learned as Black Jews. It's
Speaker 1: a lot I've learned. But I think this thing is
Speaker 1: just all conversations, you know, and everybody that that that
Speaker 1: cares about loving the next person, understanding, you know, just
Speaker 1: a conversation. I'm be having a conversation a lot of
Speaker 1: people and I'm understanding people's pain and and it's helping
Speaker 1: me be a leader to understand other people. I think
Speaker 1: you said something that's really important though, too, is we
Speaker 1: will never experience the type of hate the Jewish community
Speaker 1: has felt, but just like they'll never experience the type
Speaker 1: of hate that we felt. Right So to be able
Speaker 1: to take yourself out of your your particular situation, comfort zone,
Speaker 1: lifestyle and try to at least have an understanding of
Speaker 1: what someone else has been through. And I think not
Speaker 1: even just those two communities, just overall period, the Asian
Speaker 1: community has had tragedy, the Latino community, I mean across
Speaker 1: the board, the White community has tragedy. But just to
Speaker 1: understand that we may never understand exactly what they feel,
Speaker 1: but we want to. We want to have that type
Speaker 1: of understand We want to put ourselves in your shoes.
Speaker 1: We want you to put yourself and our shoes just
Speaker 1: the kind of see because before it was fuck it,
Speaker 1: that's them, that's you know, we're us type. But but
Speaker 1: to move forward, like you said, for the progress we
Speaker 1: want for our kids and their kids and their kids
Speaker 1: after that, it's gonna have to be you know, we're
Speaker 1: gonna have to be more self aware. We're gonna have
Speaker 1: to really put ourselves in uncomfortable situations to try to
Speaker 1: understand what someone else is going through. Because you never
Speaker 1: know what someone is going through on a particular day.
Speaker 1: They can make them do that. You never know what's
Speaker 1: behind the scenes. So I think it's more of an understanding.
Speaker 1: I want to understand and love. You know. It was
Speaker 1: crazy A quick story. When the George Floyd stuff happened,
Speaker 1: Me and the twins were driving to practice one day.
Speaker 1: I just got them back from their moms. I'm just like,
Speaker 1: you guys hear about what happened. It's like, yeah, we
Speaker 1: saw it, and Isaiah said, we saw you a cop
Speaker 1: killed another black guy. Huh. I was like yeah, And
Speaker 1: I was like, well, what did you guys think about it?
Speaker 1: Just like they didn't have to Carters like they didn't
Speaker 1: have to knee, they didn't have to have his knee
Speaker 1: on his neck that long. Does he hate him? Do
Speaker 1: all cops hate black people? I'm just like, no, not
Speaker 1: all of them, some of them. But it's just the world.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you have to understand that some people are gonna
Speaker 1: hate you because, particularly because of color your skin is unfortunate.
Speaker 1: But then I asked the twins, I'm like, do you
Speaker 1: think you're born to hate or taught to hate? And
Speaker 1: they take a second and think and then like, you're
Speaker 1: taught to hate? Write them like exactly, So then I
Speaker 1: don't remember what one of them is. One of them
Speaker 1: just like, well, then we have to teach Ashton how
Speaker 1: to love, you know, Ashton's my little man and that
Speaker 1: and to me, it was it almost brought a tear
Speaker 1: to mind because it's that simple. It's these are taught
Speaker 1: actions to hate. Even no one is born to hate.
Speaker 1: We feel babies up with whatever we want to teach them,
Speaker 1: any kind of knowledge, hopefully more love than anything. But
Speaker 1: it's just hate is a taught and if we we
Speaker 1: all just take a step back and and realize that,
Speaker 1: I mean, I bet you you asked someone who hates
Speaker 1: another race, Why why don't you like them? And they're
Speaker 1: gonna give you a generic bullshit answer. They can't give
Speaker 1: you no real reason why. You know, they can't give
Speaker 1: you of real and really real reason why. I hope
Speaker 1: that we can start getting past that and like I said,
Speaker 1: be willing to put our make ourselves vulnerable and put
Speaker 1: ourselves on other people shoes. I mean, even with me, Matt.
Speaker 1: I like, you know, I used to my favorite stayings,
Speaker 1: but like I don't care what people think about me,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But I can honestly say
Speaker 1: today I care because what I stand for and what
Speaker 1: I'm out here doing is to show everybody that I
Speaker 1: love to make care. So I want people to know
Speaker 1: that I love everybody care. I do care now. You
Speaker 1: know what I can actually say, I care what people
Speaker 1: think about me now because I want people to know
Speaker 1: my stand on love phone. We have love phone. I
Speaker 1: knew that was gonna be hard to because, like I said,
Speaker 1: knowing you for as long as I know, and you've
Speaker 1: always been You've got in your ship, but it's always
Speaker 1: because you have someone's backs. Real quick before we get
Speaker 1: out of this, because I want to get to you know,
Speaker 1: sports and kind of where we're at with that, because
Speaker 1: that's all another conversation. Where are some of the cities
Speaker 1: you've been to and plan on going moving forward? My
Speaker 1: goal is to go to all fifty states. I even
Speaker 1: want to go to all a t countries that that's
Speaker 1: up for me because, like I said, Matt, I've talked
Speaker 1: to people eighty seven years old. They tell me, whatever,
Speaker 1: what you're doing, we've never seen We've never had this moment.
Speaker 1: I just want to keep this going. I've been Philadelphia, Chicago,
Speaker 1: I'm losing count Detroit, Calamazoo. I've been a lot of
Speaker 1: places and I'm gonna continue going because as you go
Speaker 1: from city city, like I said, you can tell you
Speaker 1: to see how many people need and how many people
Speaker 1: need to know that there's people that care about We
Speaker 1: talk about standing together, we talked about bringing everybody together,
Speaker 1: but the people that need, the homeless people, they are
Speaker 1: part of it too. They need help. They're all a
Speaker 1: part of it too. So you know, I just it's
Speaker 1: just a passion that grew inside of me. You know,
Speaker 1: Guard put me in this position for a reason. I'm
Speaker 1: just embracing it. Bro. But I've been to a lot
Speaker 1: of states and I'm trying to reach them all. In closing,
Speaker 1: I think for the first time in four hundred years,
Speaker 1: they hear us. Now we just have to understand we
Speaker 1: have to come together and have a strateat you plan
Speaker 1: and in hopes of what we would hope to see,
Speaker 1: probably not for us before our kids, but it's gonna
Speaker 1: take everyone and and something I'm excited to talk to
Speaker 1: you about because we disagree on it. It's just sports
Speaker 1: and shouldn't be played or not. But even sports is
Speaker 1: going to be a part of the solution. But people
Speaker 1: have to understand it's not just sports. It's gonna take
Speaker 1: everybody to change something. Because sports didn't create yea. Sports
Speaker 1: didn't tell people to hate you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Sports is gonna hopefully going to be a part of
Speaker 1: the solution, but people have to stop looking at sports
Speaker 1: is like you have to. It's gonna take all of
Speaker 1: us to change this, and it's gonna It's not gonna
Speaker 1: happen overnight. So I'm excited that we're gonna continue to
Speaker 1: do our part for everybody and hopefully bring everybody together
Speaker 1: and make a make a significant change. It was nice
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Speaker 1: we had completely different views on this whether we thought
Speaker 1: that sports should be played. First of all, COVID hit
Speaker 1: and kind of changed everything. And then we both are
Speaker 1: right though, yeah, you're right, we both are. We both
Speaker 1: have good reasons. You're right. Uh, Obviously, COVID hit and
Speaker 1: change everything. And in the midst of COVID, George happens.
Speaker 1: And now the NBA came into a situation where they
Speaker 1: wanted to try to bring sports back and created a bubble,
Speaker 1: and there was a lot of back and forth that
Speaker 1: should they play, should they not play? Talk to me
Speaker 1: about your thoughts and your stance where it was. I
Speaker 1: jumped out there probably like a month before they even
Speaker 1: thought about going to the bubble, saying that they shouldn't
Speaker 1: play because I knew how big the game of basketball
Speaker 1: is to the world, and I knew the impact and
Speaker 1: the statement they can make. Me thinking, Okay, I'm Lebron James,
Speaker 1: I get Kyrie Irving, h k D five other players,
Speaker 1: We're not going to the bubble and to these ten
Speaker 1: demands of these ten laws changed, are these ten policies changed,
Speaker 1: you get those changes, will play. I guarantee that would
Speaker 1: have been done in the heartbeat before they went to
Speaker 1: the bubble. That's just my thinking. And I felt like
Speaker 1: Lebron had that power when you said that they can
Speaker 1: go down air and and make a bigger impact by
Speaker 1: being on cameras. I didn't think about at the time,
Speaker 1: and they actually done that. But it got to a
Speaker 1: point where I knew they were still murdering us. Regardless
Speaker 1: of what was going on, They're still murdering us. So
Speaker 1: I knew it was gonna be a point where something
Speaker 1: was gonna happen. I don't know it's gonna be Milwaukee,
Speaker 1: but I knew it was gonna be a point where
Speaker 1: something else was gonna happen to make them want to
Speaker 1: stop playing. That's why I was saying that. And the
Speaker 1: fact that they did stop playing and went back to
Speaker 1: stop playing again, they took the power right back that
Speaker 1: they had, they gave it away. So my my whole
Speaker 1: thing was just understanding the power that they had at
Speaker 1: the time, you know what I mean. And and like
Speaker 1: I said, we ended up both being right. But I
Speaker 1: just I just felt like they had the power to
Speaker 1: put everything and everybody's eyes on the issue in hand
Speaker 1: and not about basketball. So and I came from a
Speaker 1: different point of view because you know that I am
Speaker 1: into politics and eventually want to be um. You know,
Speaker 1: the mayor will be thank you for knowing how policy
Speaker 1: works and how bills are pas asked and how or
Speaker 1: didn't our handled, knowing that it doesn't happen like that.
Speaker 1: And I don't give a funk who wants it to happen.
Speaker 1: I don't care if there's ten Lebrons that want this
Speaker 1: to change. It's not gonna be a fast process. So
Speaker 1: when I looked at the situation, I knew it was
Speaker 1: going to be a timely process and it was gonna
Speaker 1: take you know, a lot of people to do. But
Speaker 1: my thing is Lebron. You're gonna hear from Lebron regardless
Speaker 1: because he has a tremendous platform to get to reach
Speaker 1: the world. But do you hear from everyone else? You know?
Speaker 1: I mean, do you hear from the George Hills? Do
Speaker 1: you hear from the Van Fleets? Do you hear from
Speaker 1: do you hear DC Rivers plea? If they're not in
Speaker 1: the bubble. You don't hear these individual police. And I
Speaker 1: think when when you have the logo behind what these
Speaker 1: guys are saying, the world travels further. No, no, no, granted,
Speaker 1: putting Black Lives Matter on the cord and putting names
Speaker 1: on the back say that. I said, that's all that
Speaker 1: was gonna do. Yeah, and we see that. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: that's not that that's not enough. But after speaking to
Speaker 1: Chris Paul, I know they're trying to make some real,
Speaker 1: real significant change um with these things. But like I said,
Speaker 1: it doesn't happen overnight. And that was my whole thing
Speaker 1: that I wanted everyone to understand because what they have
Speaker 1: and we do, we still do have the power. And
Speaker 1: I think we showed how powerful we were when they
Speaker 1: just decided not to play, and there was a domino effect,
Speaker 1: not only the NBA, Major League Baseball. It was a
Speaker 1: predominantly white sport MLS. I know they're not predominantly black.
Speaker 1: You know, football practices were canceled. W n b A
Speaker 1: didn't play, So I think it did not. I think
Speaker 1: it did. It showed one thing, It showed our power.
Speaker 1: And I think everyone got mad with why just sit
Speaker 1: out one game? Why not sit out longer. I think
Speaker 1: we continue just to spread our message and we kind
Speaker 1: of have to wait and see, and I'll give you
Speaker 1: an example, and things have been done here and there.
Speaker 1: But when people jump to conclusions, why is jay Z
Speaker 1: doing what he's doing? And I still think what he's
Speaker 1: doing with the NFL is being worked out and we're
Speaker 1: gonna start seeing. But anything that happens is not gonna
Speaker 1: happen fast. And I think that people think because we're
Speaker 1: in a new situation and we have a voice that
Speaker 1: people are listening to, that we can just make demands
Speaker 1: on it, like you said, the situation that's not broken,
Speaker 1: that's working the way it's supposed to. But change a
Speaker 1: fund up situation like we can't just say we want
Speaker 1: this to check that it doesn't work like much like that,
Speaker 1: you know, and say like so, That's why I've always
Speaker 1: said it's gonna take all of us to do this
Speaker 1: ship because athletes didn't create Although we have a lot
Speaker 1: of power and we're willing to help take on former players,
Speaker 1: current players this battle, we're gonna need everyone to do that.
Speaker 1: America shut down. I think about that, and I think
Speaker 1: because I'm aware of how I grew up it's gonna
Speaker 1: be some losses, it's it's gonna be a lot of
Speaker 1: but but to me, it's we can it's worth it,
Speaker 1: but we can have. But can a single mom afford
Speaker 1: can we you know what I mean? I hear you.
Speaker 1: But like I said, I think there's people in the
Speaker 1: community that can handle it. But then there's gonna be
Speaker 1: a lot of people who can't handle that, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. A lot of people can't afford to
Speaker 1: miss a check. And that's why when people yell at well,
Speaker 1: you guys, it's all about this. It's all about that.
Speaker 1: You know firsthand, when we can the NBA, we're not
Speaker 1: just taking care of our mom and dad and our
Speaker 1: brother and sister. Were take care of a whole village
Speaker 1: of people city, you know what I mean. And I
Speaker 1: know my first four or five years, I was broke
Speaker 1: every summer, you know what I mean. So it just mean,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So because Lebron and because
Speaker 1: there's a certain you know, I don't mean to keep
Speaker 1: bringing up names, but because a certain upper echelona player
Speaker 1: can't afford the opportunity to miss a check or sit
Speaker 1: out or protest, not everyone can. Yeah, you know what
Speaker 1: it means everybody cared the people they can care exactly
Speaker 1: feel That's what I go to say. Everybody don't quality,
Speaker 1: Everybody don't want it quite. You can talk about it.
Speaker 1: And there's there's more black people than anything. Bro. They
Speaker 1: always talk about it. I know so many people that saying, Man,
Speaker 1: if I was living back in the slave days, what
Speaker 1: I do what I wanted. You've got the opportunity to
Speaker 1: do a lot right now. But you at all more Xbox,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So it's a fine line
Speaker 1: right now. And what I'm happy is everybody's been here
Speaker 1: to come, you know what I mean, even us, You
Speaker 1: know what I mean. The only world we're gonna get
Speaker 1: changes we all come together. I think one thing sports
Speaker 1: can continue to do though, Like it says, push the message,
Speaker 1: but really get these owners to start giving back. But
Speaker 1: that's who haven't been speaking up. None of them, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's keeping none of them. Majority of them have not
Speaker 1: haven't spoken, you know what I mean. And and for them,
Speaker 1: and we look at the number they came together and
Speaker 1: put three hundred million dollars together for thirty teams. Do
Speaker 1: you think about for thirty billionaires three hundred million dollars,
Speaker 1: not very much. You know, you're paying your two best
Speaker 1: players more than that. Each team should maybe come up
Speaker 1: with a hundred million and put it in this pot,
Speaker 1: and then have someone that oversights and helps these projects,
Speaker 1: the programs that are already started. You know, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of smoking mirrors out here, but there are some
Speaker 1: groups of people who are on the ground and doing
Speaker 1: this work. Man. You need people put up. You can
Speaker 1: put up affordable, nice four bedroom homes for thirty five thousand,
Speaker 1: nice with some of my real nice houses, and get
Speaker 1: people off the street, get people out the projects. They
Speaker 1: want to do that. Though they don't want to do it.
Speaker 1: They don't want to do it, it can be done.
Speaker 1: You're right, we're gonna have to. Like I said, I
Speaker 1: wish I had billions. Give me a billion dollars, and
Speaker 1: I guarantee I'll spend all of it. It's some proble
Speaker 1: of million too. I was been missing myself. With the
Speaker 1: rest of it. I give away dog. I honestly will
Speaker 1: a dog because I know I will sleep better, I'll
Speaker 1: be happy. I would walk around this earth knowing that
Speaker 1: I helped in poverty. It's a good feeling, man, You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying who wouldn't want to feel that way?
Speaker 1: And the people that in position to do it will
Speaker 1: not do it. It's a long, deep conversation. What would
Speaker 1: you like to see the NBA do more? You know,
Speaker 1: I got a chance to talk to my son and
Speaker 1: I saw Tamika and I see them out there and
Speaker 1: we had a long He and I had a long conversation,
Speaker 1: and you tapped in on Instagram. What would you like
Speaker 1: to see not only the NBA because it's not just
Speaker 1: our job, but what would you like to see from sports?
Speaker 1: Because you know we do have a platform, you know,
Speaker 1: we are do have powerful voices. I would want to
Speaker 1: see our guys actually out there in the streets touching
Speaker 1: the people, you know, letting the people see them there.
Speaker 1: You know us so many people got money that can
Speaker 1: just send money, but actually being there and physically letting
Speaker 1: them see you and your your time has been spent
Speaker 1: with talking to them and giving them a hug or
Speaker 1: just bringing them groceries. That means everything to them people.
Speaker 1: It gives them another life, Matt, knowing that somebody care,
Speaker 1: knowing somebody that has success. It's taking their time to
Speaker 1: come out and show them that they love them and
Speaker 1: they care, but that means everything. I just want to
Speaker 1: see them. I just want to see them more out
Speaker 1: in the streets, you know it. Donating this good, and
Speaker 1: money is good. We need that, they need donations, but
Speaker 1: go I just go out. I wanted to see that, hope. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The look you see when when you catch people off
Speaker 1: guard and they see you the first time, and just
Speaker 1: the looks on their faces. Kids, Yeah, just outside kids,
Speaker 1: grandparents are just like they light up and people realize
Speaker 1: how special that is, you know, because sometimes you know,
Speaker 1: that's all someone needs to get through a day, or
Speaker 1: get through an issue or get you know, just to
Speaker 1: say I met so and so that spark. You know,
Speaker 1: my last time with your people came by before COVID
Speaker 1: and you hit the joint, you know what I mean. Like,
Speaker 1: it's just man, man, I'm going to start in podcasts anything.
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you, Hope. So, there's thirty teams. Obviously,
Speaker 1: there's there's two l A teams. That's three Texas teams,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. That's however, that's thirty different
Speaker 1: communities or twenty nine communities, cities that can directly be
Speaker 1: affected by these teams. And some of these cities have
Speaker 1: NFL and NBA and then you know what I mean. So,
Speaker 1: like I said, I really think for the owners to
Speaker 1: step up and and really give back to these communities,
Speaker 1: because you've got to think they're building these new arenas everywhere,
Speaker 1: although they're affording jobs to people. At the same time,
Speaker 1: the cost you know, with gentrification and the cost of
Speaker 1: everything to to a ticket, to the ticket to the game,
Speaker 1: to bring your family, to feed them there, to get
Speaker 1: some jerseys and some sweatshirts that ship is a lot
Speaker 1: of money. So these are they're constantly taking people are
Speaker 1: are planning their monthly budget around going to support a
Speaker 1: football game or going to support of basketball game, and
Speaker 1: these owners are soaking this money up, you know. So
Speaker 1: that to me, obviously players give back and get gotten
Speaker 1: these communities, but these owners that are in these most
Speaker 1: of the time inner cities where their arenas are, and
Speaker 1: they're making all this fucking money, that's to me, who
Speaker 1: need to step up because we haven't heard them talk
Speaker 1: very much. You know, they put some money together, but
Speaker 1: like you said, sometimes it's it's it's more than money,
Speaker 1: and it should be a lot of money because they
Speaker 1: are making and then we're not here to tell anybody
Speaker 1: what to do with their money because it's their money
Speaker 1: and they own there. But at the same time, if
Speaker 1: you really want to see change, there's things you can
Speaker 1: directly do in your city to help bring that apart.
Speaker 1: Because one, high percentage of the playoffs on the team
Speaker 1: from these areas. And two, we got to know who
Speaker 1: is directing the money. Yeah, they're giving money to certain words,
Speaker 1: but yeah, where is it going? But who is in
Speaker 1: control of it? You know what I mean? And that's
Speaker 1: the biggest thing. You never know who's the controller, the man,
Speaker 1: and that's why it's not getting to the right places.
Speaker 1: You gotta have somebody that's from these that know these people,
Speaker 1: that know what, Yeah, that's been here, that know what
Speaker 1: areas you need to start rebuilding to make it easier
Speaker 1: to change the whole area. But if you've got somebody
Speaker 1: from the outside that's never been in this area to
Speaker 1: know nobody that's never walked in the streets without their shoes,
Speaker 1: they can't give you these answers, right. No, it's got
Speaker 1: to be more transparent. There's gotta be more community outreach
Speaker 1: to get the right people into the inner circles that
Speaker 1: help try to fix the problem. That's even the same
Speaker 1: thing with policing though, start getting police from these areas.
Speaker 1: So perfect example, if a kid get pulled, don't go
Speaker 1: by cop that's grew up in the area that might
Speaker 1: know his uncle or something. Say, man, I might not
Speaker 1: take it the jail. If I take it a jail'm
Speaker 1: gonna call your uncle. I know I can't handle them
Speaker 1: because I know his whole family. So the contact and
Speaker 1: the conversation is gonna be different because I'm from here.
Speaker 1: But when you bring somebody that's not from this area,
Speaker 1: you're knowing nobody that never went to somebody's house and
Speaker 1: got to play the food and just come in this area,
Speaker 1: it's it's gonna be a conversation. Fear what you don't know, right,
Speaker 1: we don't know them, they don't know us. It's fear.
Speaker 1: Crazy part. I know in l A. Particularly, I know
Speaker 1: someone that works, you know, in the l A. P D.
Speaker 1: And they told me, like, people don't want to work
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills and in the rich areas. They want to
Speaker 1: go to the hood for some action, Like what kind
Speaker 1: of you want to go for somebody? I mean, So
Speaker 1: it's just like I think I think you've made a
Speaker 1: great point. I think there needs to be more programs
Speaker 1: set up to where you know you're teaching these people
Speaker 1: because if they had an opportunity to go to the
Speaker 1: police academy, a lot of them will be become a
Speaker 1: bee coup. And what it's only six months of training, really,
Speaker 1: I mean you got to train a lot longer than
Speaker 1: a lot of other fields to become a professional at
Speaker 1: what you do. Being a cop doesn't take that long
Speaker 1: to become. So they gave opportunities to these under previous
Speaker 1: communities where they can not police them. I mean they
Speaker 1: would obviously be police, but they know they're surroundings. They
Speaker 1: know if there's a fight down the street, who it
Speaker 1: is that, they know, if a couple of shots, they
Speaker 1: know who to talk, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: it's just people that have those existing relationships. But when
Speaker 1: you throw quote unquote a white man in Compton, he's
Speaker 1: gonna be he's I mean, that's a scary job. And
Speaker 1: what people don't know and and sometimes black neighborhood telling
Speaker 1: my mom is worse than taking me. I just want
Speaker 1: to let you know that as a teenage can you
Speaker 1: don't get your asking by your mom and your uncle
Speaker 1: gonna beat you, then you might come back home and
Speaker 1: get distintion call. So Mr Tom telling mom is sometimes
Speaker 1: worst of taking the gym. Like I said, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be an ongoing thing throughout this season. But let's get
Speaker 1: to a little bit of sports. Um, The Bubble, to
Speaker 1: me has been great. I think it's far entertainment we
Speaker 1: can say that. I think as far as creating a
Speaker 1: station environment for these guys to come play still get
Speaker 1: their message off. But just the level of competition has
Speaker 1: been Two players forced me to watch the bubble Jimmy,
Speaker 1: Butlan Dame liar killers. They forced me, Bro. Did you
Speaker 1: see how hard Jimmy was working during the time they're
Speaker 1: trying to figure out if they're gonna go to the
Speaker 1: bubb and all that he was working and it's paying off.
Speaker 1: But I knew, I knew Dame, you know, I knew
Speaker 1: Dame was gonna come out and play. But like you said, that,
Speaker 1: just the competition away guy's been playing. I think the
Speaker 1: best part about it is they all in one spot,
Speaker 1: like saying, it's like a glorified a You tournament, but
Speaker 1: it's no fans, So the competition. I think that's why
Speaker 1: the competition has been because everybody is locked in. You
Speaker 1: know what it says, no outside life, there's no going
Speaker 1: to the club and no hanging out. Everybody's locked in.
Speaker 1: That's why you're gonna take Game seven. Even with the club.
Speaker 1: The run the Dame went on was legendary. The run
Speaker 1: of Luca went on. Lucas we were you know the
Speaker 1: funny part, we both said the same thing without even
Speaker 1: know what's going on. I walked up the table. What's
Speaker 1: the first thing, Luca? And they need to get Luca
Speaker 1: net Year a motherfucking bodyguard. Yeah, I mean, I wish
Speaker 1: I could have been out that if I was five
Speaker 1: years younger. But they need to get one of the
Speaker 1: Moorst twins. But but but Lukey can't be fighting his own battles,
Speaker 1: Mark Cuban, I hope you hear me. We can't be fighting.
Speaker 1: I talked to rig about that. I told Luca needs
Speaker 1: him a dog out there, because that's the only chance
Speaker 1: you had to stop that motherfucker. You gotta try to bully,
Speaker 1: and that's what we would have did. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: so cold, like he needs. When you can't stop him,
Speaker 1: you gotta start, you gotta try to do something. And
Speaker 1: that really good. But but but just to watch what Heat,
Speaker 1: What what Luca did, what Dame did? What Donovan? Mitchell
Speaker 1: and and Murray went back and forth and did on
Speaker 1: some Vincent and Ai dropping fifty after fifty type games
Speaker 1: to see what the Lakers and Lebron are doing, to
Speaker 1: see what Jimmy has been doing. I love what the Heat,
Speaker 1: but I picked the Heat to beat the Bucks because
Speaker 1: I finally feel like Jimmy is in a real leadership
Speaker 1: situation with guys that are young but not babies, that
Speaker 1: were really listening and understand what kind of work he's
Speaker 1: put it in the past and how hard he leaves
Speaker 1: by example. But he has all these kids playing bigger
Speaker 1: than themselves. You know how Kobe used to have us
Speaker 1: playing bigger than our else he has these young guns
Speaker 1: out there shooting and crowded out there doing he does
Speaker 1: and believe in Dragic and along down the line. So
Speaker 1: I've loved watching Miami. Boston was my sleeper team in
Speaker 1: the East and they still haven't let me down. I
Speaker 1: love Jayson Tatum and and Marcus Smart and what these
Speaker 1: guys are doing. So in the Eastern Conference, we got
Speaker 1: Boston verse Miami. We gotta be even though you're wearing
Speaker 1: the Boston, Jersey. I know you're going for Jimmy el
Speaker 1: bizl Builds showed me a lot of love when I
Speaker 1: was in Indiana. Man one of the goats. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm going with I'm going with j B. Man.
Speaker 1: I can't go on each other one. That's my boy
Speaker 1: one one. You know, I'm always roomed for the underdog.
Speaker 1: You gotta think my boyson living on the street at
Speaker 1: one point, so I'm always I'm always rooting for the underdog.
Speaker 1: But just the fact that he was in Philadelphia, he
Speaker 1: was a big piece to today Postle and they would
Speaker 1: have been winning this year if people have still been there.
Speaker 1: But the fact that they tried to demean him when
Speaker 1: they cut it, I mean when I really cut him
Speaker 1: but didn't sign him back and I we talked. He
Speaker 1: was really focused on just not really he wasn't really
Speaker 1: focused on going out there and just being an all star.
Speaker 1: He was focused on winning and leading his team and
Speaker 1: bring it toughness to this team and to see everything
Speaker 1: that he was working for doing the whole time, you know,
Speaker 1: come come to that. I think that was a situation
Speaker 1: for him because they're a blue collar, hard type working
Speaker 1: He's a blue collar superstar. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: They you know I mean they were out there playing basketball,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. They have to fight. They
Speaker 1: they had to scratching like we used to play that.
Speaker 1: That's that's scratching and doing everything to win the game.
Speaker 1: And that's what scares me too, because I'm I got Boston.
Speaker 1: They were my sleeper. I picked them at the beginning
Speaker 1: to be my sleeper once the playoffs started. And that's
Speaker 1: the one thing because Miami is dogs and I know
Speaker 1: that I would try to dog Jason Tatum. I try
Speaker 1: to dog Brown. I would try to dog everyone out there.
Speaker 1: Everyone talent to Kimba. Yeah, I don't know, but I
Speaker 1: don't know if they can. I think these boys are ready.
Speaker 1: They've been battle tested their first year with Lebron and
Speaker 1: them took a step back. The Kyrie experiment didn't work.
Speaker 1: Kimba in this year and that's been work. I think
Speaker 1: Gordon Hayward's coming back soon. I got Boston just like
Speaker 1: you said, they're more talented. Brown been killing, been killing.
Speaker 1: I like the young kid. Who's the young kid? Williams?
Speaker 1: Robert Williams, And I'm sorry, bro, I didn't even know
Speaker 1: who he was before the bubble hit because I hadn't
Speaker 1: really been paying attention that that he's been very impressive.
Speaker 1: That a big active dog out there, running, jumping, rebound,
Speaker 1: blocking shots, and he could pass. They skilled, he could,
Speaker 1: he could, he could really play. Yeah, I think that's
Speaker 1: a great pick up for them. But like I said,
Speaker 1: I just think you know that that Tatum Brown, Kimba
Speaker 1: Walker and Marcus Smart as that wild cartus hellfunk around
Speaker 1: and he wanted us. He's going. I love Marcus Smart
Speaker 1: a gang, He's a dog. So we gotta figure out
Speaker 1: what we're betting on that series. What do you think
Speaker 1: the key to Miami winning is make the game grimy,
Speaker 1: make it physical, make it dirty type of game. We
Speaker 1: would have to make it. When you planning against the
Speaker 1: team that's so talented, when you have so many players
Speaker 1: that's unguardable, you gotta make it dirty. You got it.
Speaker 1: You gotta physical, scrappy, you know what I'm saying. You
Speaker 1: gotta you gotta get all the loose balls, all the
Speaker 1: little stuff. The NBA isn't that way anymore though, So
Speaker 1: if they let him play that way, well, you know,
Speaker 1: at this point when you get to the finals and
Speaker 1: go a little bit longer. Yeah, and let it go.
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's been getting a little tight. You know,
Speaker 1: guys been pushing like the last couple of games and
Speaker 1: back and forth. I think the key to Boston Boston,
Speaker 1: and I think they're big three Kimba, Tatum, and Brown
Speaker 1: have the average at least six together at least sixty
Speaker 1: five are higher and Marcus Smart to beat him and
Speaker 1: then everyone else to play their role. And that's why
Speaker 1: I like about Boston. Everyone plays a role, but Jimmy
Speaker 1: as does Miami. That's the one thing I like about
Speaker 1: Boston two is that everyone tries to guard. You see
Speaker 1: Tatum out there trying to guard. Brown is out there
Speaker 1: locking up. They all take on Mark. Marcus Smart is
Speaker 1: the hardest soul of that team, just like Jimmy is
Speaker 1: the hardest. Sold your Miami song. That's gonna be a blast.
Speaker 1: We gotta figure out what we're doing. Maybe some more,
Speaker 1: maybe some more cush ups. Um, all right. We're shooting
Speaker 1: this the day before the Big Game seven with Denver
Speaker 1: and the Clippers want to forecast and talk about the
Speaker 1: Battle of l A. But we don't want to disrespect Denver.
Speaker 1: You feel feel to stay They definitely still have a
Speaker 1: shot in game seven. You know, Clipper, Well, I've been
Speaker 1: part of the Clippers second round curse. I'm hoping this
Speaker 1: year it breaks. What do you feel like Denver needs
Speaker 1: to do to get past the Clippers until you're playing
Speaker 1: the game and playing the way they've been playing, I
Speaker 1: think Clippers got to figure out how they're gonna stop
Speaker 1: all these damn lay ups from Denver. No I thought
Speaker 1: I said, I'm saying they get into the paint and
Speaker 1: land the ball up every time. Every time. Bro tick
Speaker 1: and roll and yogis the best passer in the game,
Speaker 1: is a big man. He just picking them apart. Broy's
Speaker 1: been putting up some crazy numbers, dog ridiculous. He's been
Speaker 1: having some fifty point games. So if you come with
Speaker 1: a point game, look out, Clipper, Daryl. Like you said,
Speaker 1: the bubble has everyone focused and something that the outside
Speaker 1: fans may not realize that that home cours it is real.
Speaker 1: And then big the big lights with the crowds screaming
Speaker 1: at you, and you don't have that no more. That's
Speaker 1: a huge matter. Usually it took the mental capacity of
Speaker 1: the Stars to kind of step up, but without that
Speaker 1: real home court advantage, more like you're really seeing you're
Speaker 1: getting the best of everybody. Some guys hit knee shots,
Speaker 1: wouldn't hit him in the when arenas no different. I
Speaker 1: love what's going on. I love it back and forth.
Speaker 1: I love the scoring, but I don't think the common
Speaker 1: fan understands how important those the home court and that
Speaker 1: screaming asked crowd is when you're trying to make a
Speaker 1: free throw. You're trying to hit a corner three wide
Speaker 1: open with with the with the game on the line. Now,
Speaker 1: it's just like playing in the gym. So it's been fun.
Speaker 1: But you know, Game seven, I gotta take my hat
Speaker 1: off to Denver man. Yo Kich has proven to me
Speaker 1: to be the best big in the game. Jamal Murray
Speaker 1: is is putting, you know, putting his he's ten toes
Speaker 1: down to the league now. I think this was kind
Speaker 1: of his coming out party, and they have just a
Speaker 1: lot of solid pieces. Harri has been hurt. He just
Speaker 1: really gets going back. I heard a rumor if they
Speaker 1: get passed that Will. I don't know if they're gonna
Speaker 1: get past, but Will Barton could be coming back. But
Speaker 1: Michael Porter Jr. He's been out there hooping and been
Speaker 1: out spoken. Eve been out there saying they mock. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feeling touch that. I'm not mad at it. It's
Speaker 1: different though, like because I think Jason William Front or
Speaker 1: someone said something that this shouldn't have been something that
Speaker 1: came to me, and I completely agreed back on our
Speaker 1: day wouldn't. But it's a new age and everyone everything
Speaker 1: is for everybody now. I feel him. Bro, listen, you
Speaker 1: missed the whole year. Do back service. We want to
Speaker 1: do it. You still got to pay your dudes. Bro,
Speaker 1: you can't. You can't just show up and when Yoki,
Speaker 1: Jim Irvyn and Har has been carrying his team all
Speaker 1: the time. You when you show up because you have
Speaker 1: a game, when you don't on somebody one play bro,
Speaker 1: one shot, slow your own, young fella. You got a
Speaker 1: lot to prove because with nobody in the team telling you,
Speaker 1: the Clippers picking on him, whoever gain well we garden right,
Speaker 1: So so you gotta get your It's a lot. It's
Speaker 1: a lot that you don't see that your coaches seeing
Speaker 1: young Feller. Trust me, I've been there. Papa did the
Speaker 1: same thing to me. I like it. I like it though.
Speaker 1: I like his energy is enthusiasm, Like he said, it's
Speaker 1: definitely a lot more to learn. I think he's very talented,
Speaker 1: you know. The Clippers, on the other hand, and I
Speaker 1: said that it was not gonna be pretty. It was
Speaker 1: gonna be an ugly situation the whole way along grind.
Speaker 1: You know. Now we see Games seven. Another thing that
Speaker 1: I think people don't take consideration is, you know, Paul
Speaker 1: George came out and talked about his mental health in
Speaker 1: the bubble, you know, being isolated from his family and
Speaker 1: locked off from the world. I talked to Chris Paul,
Speaker 1: and he said he had trouble leaving the bubble and
Speaker 1: kind of getting back acclamated because they've been locked down
Speaker 1: for you know, over sixty days now. It's it's obviously
Speaker 1: been longest since I talked to Chris, but he said
Speaker 1: he had problems sleeping. When he got home, he woke
Speaker 1: up in a panic sweat. So like, I don't think
Speaker 1: we consider everything that's been going on in the world,
Speaker 1: and these guys have been doing what they can do
Speaker 1: to to to be a part of the society and
Speaker 1: the social justice push and still entertained and play basketball.
Speaker 1: But just that mental of just not being able to
Speaker 1: see I can imagine not being able seeing my son
Speaker 1: Ashton for two months, two and a half months, you're
Speaker 1: not seeing your kids and kind of just being locked
Speaker 1: out and isolated. I know a lot of people were
Speaker 1: rather being the bubble than be with that right now.
Speaker 1: So I don't feel sorry for none of them. I
Speaker 1: don't bro I don't feel for none of them. Y'all
Speaker 1: in the bubble, y'all in a nice place. I got food,
Speaker 1: y'all good. Some of y'all got tree in there, some
Speaker 1: of y'all smoking tree and there. So y'all got everything
Speaker 1: y'all need in there. It can't be that damn bad.
Speaker 1: But it's just different like it. It's just that that
Speaker 1: mental approach, you know, how you have to be all
Speaker 1: the way locked in to to be able to perform
Speaker 1: the best you could perform, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So if you're not all the way locked in, because
Speaker 1: I've never been, I mean, I've never been. You gotta
Speaker 1: think we have money, We always have been able to
Speaker 1: move and do and do whatever we want. You can't
Speaker 1: do that no more so, although it's still a lot
Speaker 1: better than the world's circumstances, I'm just staying for players.
Speaker 1: It's just a different approach and mentality that kind of
Speaker 1: have to conquer me personally. If I'm in the bubble
Speaker 1: and I can't do nothing, knowing a lifestyle I live,
Speaker 1: I would have been way more focused. I wouldn't have
Speaker 1: been in another place because I'm sitting here focused on
Speaker 1: I can't do nothing else. And just like you in jail,
Speaker 1: why everybody gets sworn when they go to jail, Ain't
Speaker 1: nothing else to do with live weights. So if you're
Speaker 1: in the bubble, you shouldn't be focused about nothing nothing.
Speaker 1: You shouldn't be not focused the whole basketball because that's
Speaker 1: all you had to do. There's nothing else to do
Speaker 1: it here. So I didn't I didn't get that side
Speaker 1: of it. I mean, yeah, you're gonna miss your family ship,
Speaker 1: You're gonna half the season, half the year traveling away
Speaker 1: from your family. So what're you talking about two months?
Speaker 1: I didn't get it. Sorry, five didn't get it. I'm
Speaker 1: looking ahead to the Clippers beat Denver. I hope this
Speaker 1: age as well, and we have the Battle of l
Speaker 1: A in the Western Conference Finals. You you had the
Speaker 1: Lakers winning it. I had the Clipping winning it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you're gonna be some money in in a minute,
Speaker 1: the Battle of l A. You still feel the same way.
Speaker 1: I'm not changing. I told you that the dynamic of
Speaker 1: Lebron and a Dve eve never seen. We've never seen.
Speaker 1: And look what we at. Who else has a step
Speaker 1: up for them? Don't moving forward? Well, that's just Round
Speaker 1: gonna playing well. But the supporting the supporting cast is
Speaker 1: so unpredictable. Danny Green, he's supposed to be a three
Speaker 1: point shooting, he's struggling. Round is really the third option
Speaker 1: right now. They're not playing Swiss and not playing Dion Waynas.
Speaker 1: So I don't know about that style against the Clippers,
Speaker 1: That's all I was asking. Yeah, I don't know y'all
Speaker 1: us in the bucks, what do you see there? I'm
Speaker 1: not surprised. Bro. We know this regular season in playoffs too,
Speaker 1: we don't let you do all that, all of the trap.
Speaker 1: We'll let you do all that in regular season in
Speaker 1: the playoffs, nine people right here and make you. You're
Speaker 1: not gonna shoot it. You couldn't in the house of
Speaker 1: us in the kitchen. So we're just gonna make you
Speaker 1: do the things that you don't want to do. And
Speaker 1: your teammates are not used to making shots and carrying
Speaker 1: the team. So they're just not gonna pick up and
Speaker 1: carry the team in the playoffs. I knew that was
Speaker 1: gonna happen. He has to leave. He has to leave. Bro,
Speaker 1: nobody's going to Milwaukee. I've been there. I played, and
Speaker 1: I was only played a couple of games. I was
Speaker 1: trying to get traded, actually, Matt I told him I was.
Speaker 1: I didn't stop going to games. I just stayed at
Speaker 1: home until they traded me. That's how bad it was there.
Speaker 1: And then I remember that's when me and Coke came
Speaker 1: out there. You wouldn't even know. You weren't even in
Speaker 1: the arena. He had cold in the club. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: in milwa on Milwaukee. But that's the one part about
Speaker 1: Milwaukee is they're not going to attract any major free agents.
Speaker 1: They're not gonna get a guy's not gonna say, hey,
Speaker 1: I want to go play honest in Milwaukee. That's not
Speaker 1: gonna happen. So do you think he stays the least?
Speaker 1: I think he leaves. I mean they can say that
Speaker 1: he always follows unfollows his teammates, and I think he's
Speaker 1: going to leave because the opportunities that he has now
Speaker 1: has never been thrown at. It you know, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think he cares that much about being on
Speaker 1: the same team with his bloods and like that. I
Speaker 1: think he wants to win. I think he honestly wants
Speaker 1: to win, and he has other situations that's gonna put
Speaker 1: him in the better situation. Give me three teams, you
Speaker 1: think go to State, Miami and Dallas. I want to see.
Speaker 1: I want to see Devin go to Dallas. Dallas has
Speaker 1: enough money, they can get another third. They can get
Speaker 1: rid of some of them trumps they got over there
Speaker 1: Banks the Nets signs Steve Nash. Yeah, I'm head coach.
Speaker 1: I think that there's some initial black lash about white
Speaker 1: privilege and opportunity, and this ties back into the political
Speaker 1: climate that we're in and mixed with sports. What do
Speaker 1: you feel about a Hall of famer taking that job
Speaker 1: with the Nets. I would rather it's been Steve Nash,
Speaker 1: a two time m v P. Then a guy that
Speaker 1: they gonna find in the film room and just give
Speaker 1: him a job like they've been doing so. You know,
Speaker 1: obviously it was it's not it's a lot of black
Speaker 1: guys that was qualified for the job that could have
Speaker 1: got it. But it's other teams. The same way. But
Speaker 1: if a white guy had to get a job first
Speaker 1: time coaching being in a great situation, because they don't
Speaker 1: normally put black coaches in good situation like that. Now,
Speaker 1: I would rather be Steve Nash because he knows the game.
Speaker 1: And then every black person and everybody in the league
Speaker 1: love Steve Nash us, So if it had to be anybody,
Speaker 1: it had to be Steve Nash. It's not about what
Speaker 1: you know, it's about who you know. You know. Obviously
Speaker 1: he had times with kay d going back, he was,
Speaker 1: you know, a special assistant with Golden State. So I
Speaker 1: think it's gonna be a great situation. I agree with you.
Speaker 1: Normally a black coach wouldn't be given an opportunity like that,
Speaker 1: but I didn't. The only reason why I'm even saying
Speaker 1: that now is because I think everyone else brought it up.
Speaker 1: But to me, it's just about who who you feel
Speaker 1: is gonna comfortably run your organization, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And like I said, Steve Nash had ties to Shawn Marks,
Speaker 1: who's the GM, and then off he ties with Kevin Durant.
Speaker 1: So I'm sure Kevin and and Kyrie had a stamp
Speaker 1: in which they did and having like you said, a
Speaker 1: two time Hall of Fame you know, two time MVP
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame player, leading your team is always a
Speaker 1: good movie. And Steven Ay Smith, you said I stayed
Speaker 1: with Steve Nash. I get you. I've never lived with
Speaker 1: Steve Nash in my life. Bro, what happened? I didn't
Speaker 1: here he was saying, Uh, he was trying to make
Speaker 1: a disclaimer before he came out with it was a
Speaker 1: white privilege. And he said even he did a lot,
Speaker 1: even Stephen jack Stephen Jackson stayed with him. I've never
Speaker 1: stayed with Steve Nash. Stephen A. Smith, get your facts right.
Speaker 1: You do a lot of blabbord on TV. Make sure
Speaker 1: you get it right. Bro. I've never stayed with Steve Nash.
Speaker 1: That's my big bro. He was there when I got drafted,
Speaker 1: but I never lived with him. I had to clear
Speaker 1: that up. Look like I'm going around living with motherfucker's everyone.
Speaker 1: I ain't homeless now. Your favorite coach in the NBA,
Speaker 1: Mike D'Antoni and the ties to walk away from Houston.
Speaker 1: Thoughts about that, man, Listen, it's best to walk away
Speaker 1: some ties, you know what I'm saying. It's just to
Speaker 1: walk away, so you won't get five. They can say
Speaker 1: that it was gonna bring it back. Come on, man,
Speaker 1: I said this, and from the last three years, even
Speaker 1: when he first got the job. He's an offensive coach.
Speaker 1: James hardenn't need to be coached on offense. He's the best,
Speaker 1: one of the best for us ever. You need a deep,
Speaker 1: instant coach. You need to coach. It's gonna hold these
Speaker 1: guys accountable. They don't have that, and that's why they
Speaker 1: still in the position there. So I'm happy he's gone
Speaker 1: because now James can probably get somebody in there that's
Speaker 1: not patting him on the back all the time. It's
Speaker 1: gonna hold him accountable, making play deepens, making play harder,
Speaker 1: making him like he cared more about the game, just
Speaker 1: caring about scoring. Now do you think a new coach
Speaker 1: can handle that type of roster From a standpoint, it's
Speaker 1: built to play a certain type of basketball, right coach
Speaker 1: Van Gundy, right the right coach where you're gonna force
Speaker 1: these plays like a Paplovitch. I don't care who on
Speaker 1: the team or I could be on that team. We're
Speaker 1: not coming in. If you don't buy into what this
Speaker 1: team is doing, you're gone. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: that's the type of coach they need. And James is
Speaker 1: gonna respect that too, because he want to win when
Speaker 1: he wants somebody to hold him Occonna and you let
Speaker 1: him walking up with him the small show I've been
Speaker 1: walking in like he don't care about the game and
Speaker 1: just going and scoring and not caring about He's gonna
Speaker 1: continue to do that. But when you pull him in
Speaker 1: the locker room saying, look, bro, this is where we're at.
Speaker 1: You need to be the same for some deepest your
Speaker 1: attitude need to change to pick up your atta, you
Speaker 1: know what, I need to show you care more when
Speaker 1: you come at him like that and let him know
Speaker 1: you're behind him a hunting for temper cent. Hopefully they'll
Speaker 1: transferred through the team. You ain't gotta say that, but Russ,
Speaker 1: you just gotta calm Rust down, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You gotta just work on the little things with Russ game.
Speaker 1: But you need rushing the Rust to be the energy.
Speaker 1: You need them to be balking, You need them to
Speaker 1: be more coachable, you know what I mean. And I
Speaker 1: think that that would change the team. But Dantone is
Speaker 1: definitely getting them out of there's definitely a great step,
Speaker 1: good job. Who would you see? Who do you see?
Speaker 1: And you mentioned Van Gundy? Now I just I just
Speaker 1: do his name out there. Mark Jackson is out there, TYLW.
Speaker 1: Mike Brown. Still, you know that's my I'm always throwing
Speaker 1: him out there. But like I said to me, I
Speaker 1: think that's obviously you're inheriting Johnson. He just said recent coach.
Speaker 1: He just said. It came with with this thing that
Speaker 1: if Steve Nash get a job that is and I
Speaker 1: might as well tropic that's what he said. You might
Speaker 1: gonna come out that. That's the article said. I'm not
Speaker 1: mad at it. You know, we touched on obviously during
Speaker 1: this this process of what we feel like the NBA
Speaker 1: can and hopefully will do um post bubble, and one
Speaker 1: thing you touched on and we thought was important to
Speaker 1: just be out there and about show your face. You know,
Speaker 1: obviously everyone is doing just because it's not publicizing and
Speaker 1: men people aren't doing doing stuff. People are definitely out
Speaker 1: there doing stuff. But just be touchable, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: like I said, put ourselves. We were we were lucky
Speaker 1: to make it out when we come from these same
Speaker 1: areas and and could have been these same statistics if
Speaker 1: it wasn't for you know, someone helping us out, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So I think, you know, being
Speaker 1: in these communities giving people hope because in your community,
Speaker 1: you look up to the people in the corner because
Speaker 1: that's all you ever see, you know us. So to
Speaker 1: be able to get these athletes to come in and
Speaker 1: business people to come in and be touchable, be accessible,
Speaker 1: I think that's that's going to be a huge step.
Speaker 1: But overall, like I said, I think it's important for
Speaker 1: the NBA owners to really put some money where their
Speaker 1: mouth is because they're not using their mouth. Put some
Speaker 1: money in that ship and healthy cities out. I agree.
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