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Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black

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Speaker 1: world champions. They happen to be twin brothers. Well the

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Speaker 1: Make sure thake sure, Mr Man, it's been a minute.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back Man, season two of all the Smoke. I'm

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Speaker 1: happy we're finally back. It's been a hiatus. The world

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Speaker 1: has changed since we last got together, so our laughs

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Speaker 1: is needed last, and our realness and maybe some cries

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Speaker 1: and some anger. It's gonna be all that this season.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited. So this is just our welcome back episode. Man.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna kick off with an amazing guest next week,

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Speaker 1: but right now you guys are just with us, so

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Speaker 1: sit back and enjoy. Man. Let's get right into it.

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Speaker 1: The world changed Memorial Day weekend. That was the weekend

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Speaker 1: that unfortunately, something very close to you lost his life

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Speaker 1: for the world to see. And I think what made

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Speaker 1: this particular incident different was normally, unfortunately, when there's police

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Speaker 1: like I said, that's unfortunate, but it's it is what

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Speaker 1: it is. I think for nine minutes, the world watched

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Speaker 1: this man suffer. The world watched this man babe for

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Speaker 1: his life. We watched him call for his dead mom,

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Speaker 1: NBA quarter changed the minds of some, not all, but

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Speaker 1: of hopefully in New America. Talk to me what it

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Speaker 1: was like, you know, obviously first and foremost knowing him,

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Speaker 1: It changed my life, of course. I mean, I'll just

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Speaker 1: go back to from the beginning. I was in high

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Speaker 1: when I got a friend named Floyd Man, y'all might

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Speaker 1: I'm just playing basketball. And I really listened to him.

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Speaker 1: You know, Tellor was doing this thing. I don't the court.

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Speaker 1: He was like, I'm gonna bring him back, I'm telling you,

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Speaker 1: But I was just going down there, man, to let

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Speaker 1: But I knew I had to be the face for him.

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Speaker 1: I sent it to Shaq too, so it was clear

429
00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:17,640
Speaker 1: what I was talking about, you know what I mean.

430
00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,160
Speaker 1: I wasn't even thinking about nothing else. I didn't even

431
00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,359
Speaker 1: know nothing about what he posted. So I told himsel,

432
00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:24,359
Speaker 1: I'm gonna defend you on that because they can't handle

433
00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:26,639
Speaker 1: Roley Cooper different than the way that they handled you.

434
00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:28,399
Speaker 1: That's not right. That's what I've been on. This is

435
00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:29,960
Speaker 1: what I've been marching for, and that's why I've been

436
00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:33,520
Speaker 1: in the streets every day up until this actually incident.

437
00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:37,600
Speaker 1: I was clear on what I said. Obviously, what he

438
00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:41,600
Speaker 1: said I should have read, But me personally, I don't

439
00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:43,320
Speaker 1: have a hate for bone in my body, you know

440
00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:46,000
Speaker 1: what I mean? Said to even think that I'm saying

441
00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:49,359
Speaker 1: something or defended somebody the meaning another race. Everybody knows me.

442
00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:51,440
Speaker 1: I don't think I regret about that. As I could have.

443
00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:53,639
Speaker 1: I could have made it clear what I was saying.

444
00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:56,120
Speaker 1: I've never had a history of race. Them to anybody.

445
00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:58,520
Speaker 1: You wouldn't even know Stephen Jackson if it wasn't for

446
00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:01,520
Speaker 1: a Jewish kid named Josh Pass who's actually the head

447
00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:04,320
Speaker 1: coach with Georgia Tech with the Arizona, right with the Arizona,

448
00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:08,000
Speaker 1: but he drove to my neighborhood drugs being sold. I

449
00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:10,359
Speaker 1: have no idea what my life going to give me

450
00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,480
Speaker 1: an opportunity to play on this AIRU team, which his

451
00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:15,040
Speaker 1: dad gave him a six team. So the picture that

452
00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,160
Speaker 1: was painting went away over my head. I didn't even

453
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:21,359
Speaker 1: think about it, but I understood how the hurt behind it,

454
00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:23,840
Speaker 1: and the people who I was cool with I had

455
00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:25,879
Speaker 1: conversation with him. They knew what I was saying, but

456
00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:27,399
Speaker 1: I still had to, you know what I'm saying, had

457
00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,320
Speaker 1: to had the conversation. So I understand. But hurt is

458
00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:35,119
Speaker 1: hurt regardless of where it comes from. You. So so

459
00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:37,040
Speaker 1: I didn't need I don't need to be taught to

460
00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,360
Speaker 1: love somebody or to treat everybody the same, because I've

461
00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:41,240
Speaker 1: been that person, just like I treat everybody the same.

462
00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,200
Speaker 1: This was just a situation where my words was twisted

463
00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,760
Speaker 1: and the people that knew me knew what I was saying,

464
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,680
Speaker 1: so that meant more to me. Josh called me and

465
00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,080
Speaker 1: he knew exactly what I was saying. That's who really

466
00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,760
Speaker 1: saved my life. So by him knowing that meant a

467
00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:55,639
Speaker 1: lot to me, and uh, I just moved forward. You

468
00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:57,199
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I can tell you being me,

469
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Speaker 1: I don't mind having conversations with anybody because at the

470
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,280
Speaker 1: end of the day, man, I want my emotions on

471
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,600
Speaker 1: my sleep and I don't have a pass history of

472
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:06,880
Speaker 1: hate nobody, so I just live by that. I think

473
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,720
Speaker 1: it's another situation to where, like you said, it as

474
00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,360
Speaker 1: good as the work you're doing in one field, there's

475
00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:16,640
Speaker 1: people who don't like that, so automatically you become a target.

476
00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:18,560
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've got death threats. When I started doing

477
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:20,879
Speaker 1: stuff on Clarkship and talking against the police, I started

478
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:22,800
Speaker 1: getting death threats. I'm sure you got the same thing.

479
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:26,720
Speaker 1: So every day it's a situation where now everything we

480
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:28,960
Speaker 1: both are in a situation now because obviously we have

481
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:30,760
Speaker 1: the show we have, like we really have to be

482
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:34,760
Speaker 1: calculated on and and and conscious of when we go

483
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:38,600
Speaker 1: into specific areas to really explain or just get our

484
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:40,719
Speaker 1: point across, because it can, like you said, it can

485
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,680
Speaker 1: be taken, it can be twisted. You know, you were

486
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,400
Speaker 1: combating a situation with the way the team treated him,

487
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,440
Speaker 1: but then you got pulled into because, like you said,

488
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 1: you didn't do your own work with you should have

489
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:53,439
Speaker 1: of what he actually said. You I mean, but like

490
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:55,600
Speaker 1: I said, the first thing I saw when I saw it,

491
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 1: just like first of all, like whoever knows Jack knows Jack.

492
00:22:58,119 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 1: It was a tornado for a minute. Man. But I'm

493
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:03,440
Speaker 1: glad you came out on another side over this whole process. Uh.

494
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,479
Speaker 1: You know, since you've kind of taken the front line

495
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:08,680
Speaker 1: with the George situation, who were some of the people

496
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 1: helped you get through it? Because I remember talking to you, man,

497
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 1: and I know you know, I mean, so I know

498
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 1: when I was saying some ship to you, I know

499
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 1: it's probably pissing you off, but I knew I had

500
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:18,359
Speaker 1: to say it. Who are some of the people you

501
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 1: leaned on and to just kind of get guys I

502
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 1: remember one time I knew you were tired. I knew

503
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,119
Speaker 1: you needed to get some sleep, but you were just

504
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 1: going you know, like, Bro, I'm tired. I can't even sleep,

505
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 1: that's how tired I am. And like you were smoking,

506
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 1: I was just like before you can help you win,

507
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 1: else you gotta take care of yourself, you know what

508
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 1: I mean. And this, like I said, this is a

509
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,400
Speaker 1: new process of new situation for you, a new role

510
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 1: in life for you. That that I think you've taken

511
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,720
Speaker 1: with tremendous honor. And it's been dope just to watch

512
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 1: and see. But who were the some of the people,

513
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,199
Speaker 1: because I know you had some low points. Who were

514
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 1: some of the people you leaned on during those low points?

515
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 1: I gotta thank you. I mean, you know, like you

516
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 1: said that, we got the relationship where we can tell

517
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,159
Speaker 1: each other what we don't want to hear when it's

518
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 1: been force. So I appreciate you during the whole time.

519
00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 1: I appreciate you, bro be lieve it and not boss

520
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 1: man Steve, that's the knows him. I talked to him

521
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,160
Speaker 1: a lot doing this during this time. But I really

522
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 1: relied on my normal people, al my part of Wheel,

523
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 1: my girl and Bumby I think Bumby stepped up. I

524
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 1: think when everything first came out, when and our first

525
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 1: when I went to Minnesota, he texts me, and you're

526
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 1: suiting up for the biggest game in your career, I

527
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 1: mean the biggest game of your life. And I really

528
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 1: didn't understand it. Then he came back with the next taste,

529
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 1: may say, everything you've been through in your life built

530
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:26,919
Speaker 1: you for this moment. I've been having great support and

531
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,120
Speaker 1: like I said, i've been I got invited to talk

532
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 1: to Trump Biden. I turned all that down because you

533
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 1: know that's that's not me, you know what I mean.

534
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 1: The people that you need to talk to the get equality,

535
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 1: you need to talk to them. I don't. I don't

536
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,199
Speaker 1: have those asses. I'm a regular guy, just like you

537
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I'm I just got a big heart.

538
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:47,639
Speaker 1: And but it's been it's been. Jamie Foxx, he was

539
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 1: real big. I think as soon as I was going

540
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,439
Speaker 1: to Minnesota, he came down and still with me, you know,

541
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 1: and um, but I had so many people reaching out

542
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 1: to me to make a man around love her man.

543
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,440
Speaker 1: That's my sister. She's stood tall with There's been a

544
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,160
Speaker 1: lot of people. But at the end of the day.

545
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 1: I still don't know what I'm doing that because I'm

546
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:06,439
Speaker 1: just leaving with my heart. I'm just trying to do

547
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 1: what's right, you know what I mean, and and not

548
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 1: not atten times when you're trying to do what's right

549
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 1: and you're letting your heart lead you, hopefully you're going

550
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 1: the right direction. Phil, I guess to tie all this

551
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 1: up from being thrust with the George Floyd situation coming

552
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 1: to your porch, and from the beginning it was peace, love,

553
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,639
Speaker 1: and to your own admission, still kind of finding out

554
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 1: what the funk you're doing. You're just leaving with your

555
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,920
Speaker 1: heart and love and you and you don't see color,

556
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 1: you see people, you see human beings to being thrown

557
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 1: right in the middle of um the anti Semitic quote

558
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 1: that was made, and then all of a sudden everyone

559
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,439
Speaker 1: thinks you have that you're hateful and you don't like

560
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 1: a certain community, when in actuality, the people who know

561
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,879
Speaker 1: and love you know you and know what you were

562
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,399
Speaker 1: about and what you meant. What have you learned and

563
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 1: how do you feel like we can come together as

564
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: these two communities? You know, I know you went and

565
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,679
Speaker 1: spoke to a rabbi and you and I talked about that.

566
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 1: Although it was a good idea, it's just like you're

567
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: talking to a complete stranger, you know what I mean.

568
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:09,679
Speaker 1: I think you kind of get more out of talking

569
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 1: to maybe some people of that ethnicity that you know,

570
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, So you can have a

571
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:21,400
Speaker 1: real deep down conversation, but you know, to never compare atrocities. Obviously,

572
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 1: the Black community has been through what we've been through.

573
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 1: The Jewish Committee has been through what they what they've

574
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:30,160
Speaker 1: been through. How do you feel like we can come

575
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,439
Speaker 1: together as people? The one thing that what things that

576
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 1: bothered me was that I was put in that position

577
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 1: where it set It seemed like I was standing on

578
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 1: the side of the the hate, you know, and it took

579
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 1: a lot. It's it made a lot for me to

580
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,239
Speaker 1: call the people that I knew, you know what I'm

581
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 1: saying to men those relationships and I understand people's hurt,

582
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,120
Speaker 1: you know, I understand the other people's pain. And that's

583
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,399
Speaker 1: really what we all need to do, sit down and

584
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 1: have a conversation and understand each other's pain. And I

585
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,159
Speaker 1: think that's where that's what we fall in line and

586
00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 1: try to make the next person's pain more hurtful. When

587
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,360
Speaker 1: pain is pain, you know what I mean. And and

588
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: to be honest, Matt, I've learned as Black Jews. It's

589
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 1: a lot I've learned. But I think this thing is

590
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 1: just all conversations, you know, and everybody that that that

591
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:18,199
Speaker 1: cares about loving the next person, understanding, you know, just

592
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 1: a conversation. I'm be having a conversation a lot of

593
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: people and I'm understanding people's pain and and it's helping

594
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,959
Speaker 1: me be a leader to understand other people. I think

595
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: you said something that's really important though, too, is we

596
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 1: will never experience the type of hate the Jewish community

597
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: has felt, but just like they'll never experience the type

598
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 1: of hate that we felt. Right So to be able

599
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 1: to take yourself out of your your particular situation, comfort zone,

600
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: lifestyle and try to at least have an understanding of

601
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 1: what someone else has been through. And I think not

602
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 1: even just those two communities, just overall period, the Asian

603
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,959
Speaker 1: community has had tragedy, the Latino community, I mean across

604
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,439
Speaker 1: the board, the White community has tragedy. But just to

605
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 1: understand that we may never understand exactly what they feel,

606
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: but we want to. We want to have that type

607
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: of understand We want to put ourselves in your shoes.

608
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 1: We want you to put yourself and our shoes just

609
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: the kind of see because before it was fuck it,

610
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 1: that's them, that's you know, we're us type. But but

611
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:15,919
Speaker 1: to move forward, like you said, for the progress we

612
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: want for our kids and their kids and their kids

613
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,239
Speaker 1: after that, it's gonna have to be you know, we're

614
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 1: gonna have to be more self aware. We're gonna have

615
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: to really put ourselves in uncomfortable situations to try to

616
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: understand what someone else is going through. Because you never

617
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 1: know what someone is going through on a particular day.

618
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 1: They can make them do that. You never know what's

619
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: behind the scenes. So I think it's more of an understanding.

620
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: I want to understand and love. You know. It was

621
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: crazy A quick story. When the George Floyd stuff happened,

622
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: Me and the twins were driving to practice one day.

623
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 1: I just got them back from their moms. I'm just like,

624
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: you guys hear about what happened. It's like, yeah, we

625
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: saw it, and Isaiah said, we saw you a cop

626
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 1: killed another black guy. Huh. I was like yeah, And

627
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: I was like, well, what did you guys think about it?

628
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 1: Just like they didn't have to Carters like they didn't

629
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 1: have to knee, they didn't have to have his knee

630
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 1: on his neck that long. Does he hate him? Do

631
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: all cops hate black people? I'm just like, no, not

632
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: all of them, some of them. But it's just the world.

633
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 1: Sometimes you have to understand that some people are gonna

634
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: hate you because, particularly because of color your skin is unfortunate.

635
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 1: But then I asked the twins, I'm like, do you

636
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: think you're born to hate or taught to hate? And

637
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: they take a second and think and then like, you're

638
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: taught to hate? Write them like exactly, So then I

639
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: don't remember what one of them is. One of them

640
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: just like, well, then we have to teach Ashton how

641
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: to love, you know, Ashton's my little man and that

642
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: and to me, it was it almost brought a tear

643
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 1: to mind because it's that simple. It's these are taught

644
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: actions to hate. Even no one is born to hate.

645
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: We feel babies up with whatever we want to teach them,

646
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: any kind of knowledge, hopefully more love than anything. But

647
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: it's just hate is a taught and if we we

648
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 1: all just take a step back and and realize that,

649
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I bet you you asked someone who hates

650
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 1: another race, Why why don't you like them? And they're

651
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 1: gonna give you a generic bullshit answer. They can't give

652
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: you no real reason why. You know, they can't give

653
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: you of real and really real reason why. I hope

654
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 1: that we can start getting past that and like I said,

655
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: be willing to put our make ourselves vulnerable and put

656
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 1: ourselves on other people shoes. I mean, even with me, Matt.

657
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Speaker 1: I like, you know, I used to my favorite stayings,

658
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 1: but like I don't care what people think about me,

659
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But I can honestly say

660
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Speaker 1: today I care because what I stand for and what

661
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: I'm out here doing is to show everybody that I

662
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: love to make care. So I want people to know

663
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Speaker 1: that I love everybody care. I do care now. You

664
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Speaker 1: know what I can actually say, I care what people

665
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: think about me now because I want people to know

666
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: my stand on love phone. We have love phone. I

667
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: knew that was gonna be hard to because, like I said,

668
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 1: knowing you for as long as I know, and you've

669
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Speaker 1: always been You've got in your ship, but it's always

670
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: because you have someone's backs. Real quick before we get

671
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: out of this, because I want to get to you know,

672
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: sports and kind of where we're at with that, because

673
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: that's all another conversation. Where are some of the cities

674
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Speaker 1: you've been to and plan on going moving forward? My

675
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 1: goal is to go to all fifty states. I even

676
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Speaker 1: want to go to all a t countries that that's

677
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: up for me because, like I said, Matt, I've talked

678
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 1: to people eighty seven years old. They tell me, whatever,

679
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: what you're doing, we've never seen We've never had this moment.

680
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 1: I just want to keep this going. I've been Philadelphia, Chicago,

681
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: I'm losing count Detroit, Calamazoo. I've been a lot of

682
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 1: places and I'm gonna continue going because as you go

683
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: from city city, like I said, you can tell you

684
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: to see how many people need and how many people

685
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 1: need to know that there's people that care about We

686
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,959
Speaker 1: talk about standing together, we talked about bringing everybody together,

687
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 1: but the people that need, the homeless people, they are

688
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: part of it too. They need help. They're all a

689
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: part of it too. So you know, I just it's

690
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 1: just a passion that grew inside of me. You know,

691
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:38,959
Speaker 1: Guard put me in this position for a reason. I'm

692
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: just embracing it. Bro. But I've been to a lot

693
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Speaker 1: of states and I'm trying to reach them all. In closing,

694
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Speaker 1: I think for the first time in four hundred years,

695
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 1: they hear us. Now we just have to understand we

696
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: have to come together and have a strateat you plan

697
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: and in hopes of what we would hope to see,

698
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: probably not for us before our kids, but it's gonna

699
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: take everyone and and something I'm excited to talk to

700
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: you about because we disagree on it. It's just sports

701
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: and shouldn't be played or not. But even sports is

702
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: going to be a part of the solution. But people

703
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 1: have to understand it's not just sports. It's gonna take

704
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: everybody to change something. Because sports didn't create yea. Sports

705
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: didn't tell people to hate you know what I mean.

706
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 1: Sports is gonna hopefully going to be a part of

707
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: the solution, but people have to stop looking at sports

708
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: is like you have to. It's gonna take all of

709
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: us to change this, and it's gonna It's not gonna

710
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: happen overnight. So I'm excited that we're gonna continue to

711
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: do our part for everybody and hopefully bring everybody together

712
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: and make a make a significant change. It was nice

713
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Speaker 1: com for details. Pivoting to sports, and as I mentioned,

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Speaker 1: we had completely different views on this whether we thought

738
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Speaker 1: that sports should be played. First of all, COVID hit

739
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: and kind of changed everything. And then we both are

740
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: right though, yeah, you're right, we both are. We both

741
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: have good reasons. You're right. Uh, Obviously, COVID hit and

742
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: change everything. And in the midst of COVID, George happens.

743
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: And now the NBA came into a situation where they

744
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,280
Speaker 1: wanted to try to bring sports back and created a bubble,

745
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: and there was a lot of back and forth that

746
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 1: should they play, should they not play? Talk to me

747
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: about your thoughts and your stance where it was. I

748
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: jumped out there probably like a month before they even

749
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: thought about going to the bubble, saying that they shouldn't

750
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: play because I knew how big the game of basketball

751
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 1: is to the world, and I knew the impact and

752
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,919
Speaker 1: the statement they can make. Me thinking, Okay, I'm Lebron James,

753
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,720
Speaker 1: I get Kyrie Irving, h k D five other players,

754
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: We're not going to the bubble and to these ten

755
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:49,240
Speaker 1: demands of these ten laws changed, are these ten policies changed,

756
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,439
Speaker 1: you get those changes, will play. I guarantee that would

757
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 1: have been done in the heartbeat before they went to

758
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 1: the bubble. That's just my thinking. And I felt like

759
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 1: Lebron had that power when you said that they can

760
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: go down air and and make a bigger impact by

761
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: being on cameras. I didn't think about at the time,

762
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: and they actually done that. But it got to a

763
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: point where I knew they were still murdering us. Regardless

764
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 1: of what was going on, They're still murdering us. So

765
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: I knew it was gonna be a point where something

766
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: was gonna happen. I don't know it's gonna be Milwaukee,

767
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: but I knew it was gonna be a point where

768
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: something else was gonna happen to make them want to

769
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: stop playing. That's why I was saying that. And the

770
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 1: fact that they did stop playing and went back to

771
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 1: stop playing again, they took the power right back that

772
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,439
Speaker 1: they had, they gave it away. So my my whole

773
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: thing was just understanding the power that they had at

774
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: the time, you know what I mean. And and like

775
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 1: I said, we ended up both being right. But I

776
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: just I just felt like they had the power to

777
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 1: put everything and everybody's eyes on the issue in hand

778
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: and not about basketball. So and I came from a

779
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: different point of view because you know that I am

780
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 1: into politics and eventually want to be um. You know,

781
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: the mayor will be thank you for knowing how policy

782
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 1: works and how bills are pas asked and how or

783
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: didn't our handled, knowing that it doesn't happen like that.

784
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: And I don't give a funk who wants it to happen.

785
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 1: I don't care if there's ten Lebrons that want this

786
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: to change. It's not gonna be a fast process. So

787
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: when I looked at the situation, I knew it was

788
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,240
Speaker 1: going to be a timely process and it was gonna

789
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 1: take you know, a lot of people to do. But

790
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,760
Speaker 1: my thing is Lebron. You're gonna hear from Lebron regardless

791
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,399
Speaker 1: because he has a tremendous platform to get to reach

792
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: the world. But do you hear from everyone else? You know?

793
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: I mean, do you hear from the George Hills? Do

794
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:29,919
Speaker 1: you hear from the Van Fleets? Do you hear from

795
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 1: do you hear DC Rivers plea? If they're not in

796
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 1: the bubble. You don't hear these individual police. And I

797
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 1: think when when you have the logo behind what these

798
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:42,280
Speaker 1: guys are saying, the world travels further. No, no, no, granted,

799
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 1: putting Black Lives Matter on the cord and putting names

800
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Speaker 1: on the back say that. I said, that's all that

801
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 1: was gonna do. Yeah, and we see that. Yeah, and

802
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: that's not that that's not enough. But after speaking to

803
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: Chris Paul, I know they're trying to make some real,

804
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: real significant change um with these things. But like I said,

805
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 1: it doesn't happen overnight. And that was my whole thing

806
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: that I wanted everyone to understand because what they have

807
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 1: and we do, we still do have the power. And

808
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 1: I think we showed how powerful we were when they

809
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: just decided not to play, and there was a domino effect,

810
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 1: not only the NBA, Major League Baseball. It was a

811
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: predominantly white sport MLS. I know they're not predominantly black.

812
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 1: You know, football practices were canceled. W n b A

813
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 1: didn't play, So I think it did not. I think

814
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:26,240
Speaker 1: it did. It showed one thing, It showed our power.

815
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: And I think everyone got mad with why just sit

816
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: out one game? Why not sit out longer. I think

817
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 1: we continue just to spread our message and we kind

818
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 1: of have to wait and see, and I'll give you

819
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: an example, and things have been done here and there.

820
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 1: But when people jump to conclusions, why is jay Z

821
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 1: doing what he's doing? And I still think what he's

822
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: doing with the NFL is being worked out and we're

823
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: gonna start seeing. But anything that happens is not gonna

824
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 1: happen fast. And I think that people think because we're

825
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,800
Speaker 1: in a new situation and we have a voice that

826
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: people are listening to, that we can just make demands

827
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Speaker 1: on it, like you said, the situation that's not broken,

828
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: that's working the way it's supposed to. But change a

829
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Speaker 1: fund up situation like we can't just say we want

830
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Speaker 1: this to check that it doesn't work like much like that,

831
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Speaker 1: you know, and say like so, That's why I've always

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Speaker 1: said it's gonna take all of us to do this

833
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 1: ship because athletes didn't create Although we have a lot

834
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: of power and we're willing to help take on former players,

835
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: current players this battle, we're gonna need everyone to do that.

836
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,720
Speaker 1: America shut down. I think about that, and I think

837
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,959
Speaker 1: because I'm aware of how I grew up it's gonna

838
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: be some losses, it's it's gonna be a lot of

839
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: but but to me, it's we can it's worth it,

840
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,720
Speaker 1: but we can have. But can a single mom afford

841
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 1: can we you know what I mean? I hear you.

842
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: But like I said, I think there's people in the

843
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 1: community that can handle it. But then there's gonna be

844
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 1: a lot of people who can't handle that, you know

845
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 1: what I mean. A lot of people can't afford to

846
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: miss a check. And that's why when people yell at well,

847
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 1: you guys, it's all about this. It's all about that.

848
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: You know firsthand, when we can the NBA, we're not

849
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: just taking care of our mom and dad and our

850
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,479
Speaker 1: brother and sister. Were take care of a whole village

851
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: of people city, you know what I mean. And I

852
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 1: know my first four or five years, I was broke

853
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 1: every summer, you know what I mean. So it just mean,

854
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So because Lebron and because

855
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: there's a certain you know, I don't mean to keep

856
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: bringing up names, but because a certain upper echelona player

857
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: can't afford the opportunity to miss a check or sit

858
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 1: out or protest, not everyone can. Yeah, you know what

859
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:23,839
Speaker 1: it means everybody cared the people they can care exactly

860
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,760
Speaker 1: feel That's what I go to say. Everybody don't quality,

861
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 1: Everybody don't want it quite. You can talk about it.

862
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 1: And there's there's more black people than anything. Bro. They

863
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: always talk about it. I know so many people that saying, Man,

864
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: if I was living back in the slave days, what

865
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 1: I do what I wanted. You've got the opportunity to

866
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: do a lot right now. But you at all more Xbox,

867
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So it's a fine line

868
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: right now. And what I'm happy is everybody's been here

869
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 1: to come, you know what I mean, even us, You

870
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: know what I mean. The only world we're gonna get

871
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: changes we all come together. I think one thing sports

872
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,240
Speaker 1: can continue to do though, Like it says, push the message,

873
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: but really get these owners to start giving back. But

874
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 1: that's who haven't been speaking up. None of them, I mean,

875
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: that's keeping none of them. Majority of them have not

876
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: haven't spoken, you know what I mean. And and for them,

877
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 1: and we look at the number they came together and

878
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 1: put three hundred million dollars together for thirty teams. Do

879
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 1: you think about for thirty billionaires three hundred million dollars,

880
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: not very much. You know, you're paying your two best

881
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 1: players more than that. Each team should maybe come up

882
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 1: with a hundred million and put it in this pot,

883
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,240
Speaker 1: and then have someone that oversights and helps these projects,

884
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 1: the programs that are already started. You know, there's a

885
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 1: lot of smoking mirrors out here, but there are some

886
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: groups of people who are on the ground and doing

887
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: this work. Man. You need people put up. You can

888
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:33,280
Speaker 1: put up affordable, nice four bedroom homes for thirty five thousand,

889
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: nice with some of my real nice houses, and get

890
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 1: people off the street, get people out the projects. They

891
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: want to do that. Though they don't want to do it.

892
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: They don't want to do it, it can be done.

893
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: You're right, we're gonna have to. Like I said, I

894
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: wish I had billions. Give me a billion dollars, and

895
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,479
Speaker 1: I guarantee I'll spend all of it. It's some proble

896
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 1: of million too. I was been missing myself. With the

897
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,359
Speaker 1: rest of it. I give away dog. I honestly will

898
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 1: a dog because I know I will sleep better, I'll

899
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: be happy. I would walk around this earth knowing that

900
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 1: I helped in poverty. It's a good feeling, man, You

901
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying who wouldn't want to feel that way?

902
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: And the people that in position to do it will

903
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 1: not do it. It's a long, deep conversation. What would

904
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 1: you like to see the NBA do more? You know,

905
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: I got a chance to talk to my son and

906
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 1: I saw Tamika and I see them out there and

907
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 1: we had a long He and I had a long conversation,

908
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 1: and you tapped in on Instagram. What would you like

909
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 1: to see not only the NBA because it's not just

910
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: our job, but what would you like to see from sports?

911
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: Because you know we do have a platform, you know,

912
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 1: we are do have powerful voices. I would want to

913
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,800
Speaker 1: see our guys actually out there in the streets touching

914
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 1: the people, you know, letting the people see them there.

915
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 1: You know us so many people got money that can

916
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,479
Speaker 1: just send money, but actually being there and physically letting

917
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: them see you and your your time has been spent

918
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: with talking to them and giving them a hug or

919
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,919
Speaker 1: just bringing them groceries. That means everything to them people.

920
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,919
Speaker 1: It gives them another life, Matt, knowing that somebody care,

921
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: knowing somebody that has success. It's taking their time to

922
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: come out and show them that they love them and

923
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 1: they care, but that means everything. I just want to

924
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: see them. I just want to see them more out

925
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: in the streets, you know it. Donating this good, and

926
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 1: money is good. We need that, they need donations, but

927
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 1: go I just go out. I wanted to see that, hope. Yeah.

928
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: The look you see when when you catch people off

929
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 1: guard and they see you the first time, and just

930
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: the looks on their faces. Kids, Yeah, just outside kids,

931
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 1: grandparents are just like they light up and people realize

932
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 1: how special that is, you know, because sometimes you know,

933
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 1: that's all someone needs to get through a day, or

934
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 1: get through an issue or get you know, just to

935
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: say I met so and so that spark. You know,

936
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,800
Speaker 1: my last time with your people came by before COVID

937
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 1: and you hit the joint, you know what I mean. Like,

938
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 1: it's just man, man, I'm going to start in podcasts anything.

939
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you, Hope. So, there's thirty teams. Obviously,

940
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: there's there's two l A teams. That's three Texas teams,

941
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. That's however, that's thirty different

942
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 1: communities or twenty nine communities, cities that can directly be

943
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: affected by these teams. And some of these cities have

944
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 1: NFL and NBA and then you know what I mean. So,

945
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: like I said, I really think for the owners to

946
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: step up and and really give back to these communities,

947
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 1: because you've got to think they're building these new arenas everywhere,

948
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 1: although they're affording jobs to people. At the same time,

949
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,800
Speaker 1: the cost you know, with gentrification and the cost of

950
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 1: everything to to a ticket, to the ticket to the game,

951
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: to bring your family, to feed them there, to get

952
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: some jerseys and some sweatshirts that ship is a lot

953
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: of money. So these are they're constantly taking people are

954
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 1: are planning their monthly budget around going to support a

955
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: football game or going to support of basketball game, and

956
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: these owners are soaking this money up, you know. So

957
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:39,479
Speaker 1: that to me, obviously players give back and get gotten

958
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,479
Speaker 1: these communities, but these owners that are in these most

959
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 1: of the time inner cities where their arenas are, and

960
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 1: they're making all this fucking money, that's to me, who

961
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 1: need to step up because we haven't heard them talk

962
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: very much. You know, they put some money together, but

963
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: like you said, sometimes it's it's it's more than money,

964
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 1: and it should be a lot of money because they

965
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: are making and then we're not here to tell anybody

966
00:43:58,040 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 1: what to do with their money because it's their money

967
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 1: and they own there. But at the same time, if

968
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 1: you really want to see change, there's things you can

969
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: directly do in your city to help bring that apart.

970
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:09,479
Speaker 1: Because one, high percentage of the playoffs on the team

971
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:13,479
Speaker 1: from these areas. And two, we got to know who

972
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 1: is directing the money. Yeah, they're giving money to certain words,

973
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: but yeah, where is it going? But who is in

974
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 1: control of it? You know what I mean? And that's

975
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 1: the biggest thing. You never know who's the controller, the man,

976
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 1: and that's why it's not getting to the right places.

977
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,240
Speaker 1: You gotta have somebody that's from these that know these people,

978
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 1: that know what, Yeah, that's been here, that know what

979
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 1: areas you need to start rebuilding to make it easier

980
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,280
Speaker 1: to change the whole area. But if you've got somebody

981
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: from the outside that's never been in this area to

982
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: know nobody that's never walked in the streets without their shoes,

983
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 1: they can't give you these answers, right. No, it's got

984
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: to be more transparent. There's gotta be more community outreach

985
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: to get the right people into the inner circles that

986
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: help try to fix the problem. That's even the same

987
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: thing with policing though, start getting police from these areas.

988
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,800
Speaker 1: So perfect example, if a kid get pulled, don't go

989
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: by cop that's grew up in the area that might

990
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: know his uncle or something. Say, man, I might not

991
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: take it the jail. If I take it a jail'm

992
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: gonna call your uncle. I know I can't handle them

993
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: because I know his whole family. So the contact and

994
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,839
Speaker 1: the conversation is gonna be different because I'm from here.

995
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: But when you bring somebody that's not from this area,

996
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: you're knowing nobody that never went to somebody's house and

997
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 1: got to play the food and just come in this area,

998
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,399
Speaker 1: it's it's gonna be a conversation. Fear what you don't know, right,

999
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,359
Speaker 1: we don't know them, they don't know us. It's fear.

1000
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 1: Crazy part. I know in l A. Particularly, I know

1001
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: someone that works, you know, in the l A. P D.

1002
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: And they told me, like, people don't want to work

1003
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills and in the rich areas. They want to

1004
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 1: go to the hood for some action, Like what kind

1005
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: of you want to go for somebody? I mean, So

1006
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 1: it's just like I think I think you've made a

1007
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 1: great point. I think there needs to be more programs

1008
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,399
Speaker 1: set up to where you know you're teaching these people

1009
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 1: because if they had an opportunity to go to the

1010
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: police academy, a lot of them will be become a

1011
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:53,439
Speaker 1: bee coup. And what it's only six months of training, really,

1012
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 1: I mean you got to train a lot longer than

1013
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 1: a lot of other fields to become a professional at

1014
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 1: what you do. Being a cop doesn't take that long

1015
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: to become. So they gave opportunities to these under previous

1016
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 1: communities where they can not police them. I mean they

1017
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 1: would obviously be police, but they know they're surroundings. They

1018
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 1: know if there's a fight down the street, who it

1019
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: is that, they know, if a couple of shots, they

1020
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 1: know who to talk, you know what I mean. So

1021
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: it's just people that have those existing relationships. But when

1022
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: you throw quote unquote a white man in Compton, he's

1023
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: gonna be he's I mean, that's a scary job. And

1024
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: what people don't know and and sometimes black neighborhood telling

1025
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: my mom is worse than taking me. I just want

1026
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 1: to let you know that as a teenage can you

1027
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: don't get your asking by your mom and your uncle

1028
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: gonna beat you, then you might come back home and

1029
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: get distintion call. So Mr Tom telling mom is sometimes

1030
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: worst of taking the gym. Like I said, it's gonna

1031
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 1: be an ongoing thing throughout this season. But let's get

1032
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 1: to a little bit of sports. Um, The Bubble, to

1033
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,800
Speaker 1: me has been great. I think it's far entertainment we

1034
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: can say that. I think as far as creating a

1035
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 1: station environment for these guys to come play still get

1036
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 1: their message off. But just the level of competition has

1037
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: been Two players forced me to watch the bubble Jimmy,

1038
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: Butlan Dame liar killers. They forced me, Bro. Did you

1039
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 1: see how hard Jimmy was working during the time they're

1040
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: trying to figure out if they're gonna go to the

1041
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: bubb and all that he was working and it's paying off.

1042
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,399
Speaker 1: But I knew, I knew Dame, you know, I knew

1043
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: Dame was gonna come out and play. But like you said, that,

1044
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 1: just the competition away guy's been playing. I think the

1045
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:26,439
Speaker 1: best part about it is they all in one spot,

1046
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 1: like saying, it's like a glorified a You tournament, but

1047
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 1: it's no fans, So the competition. I think that's why

1048
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 1: the competition has been because everybody is locked in. You

1049
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: know what it says, no outside life, there's no going

1050
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 1: to the club and no hanging out. Everybody's locked in.

1051
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 1: That's why you're gonna take Game seven. Even with the club.

1052
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: The run the Dame went on was legendary. The run

1053
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: of Luca went on. Lucas we were you know the

1054
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 1: funny part, we both said the same thing without even

1055
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:52,359
Speaker 1: know what's going on. I walked up the table. What's

1056
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 1: the first thing, Luca? And they need to get Luca

1057
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 1: net Year a motherfucking bodyguard. Yeah, I mean, I wish

1058
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: I could have been out that if I was five

1059
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 1: years younger. But they need to get one of the

1060
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: Moorst twins. But but but Lukey can't be fighting his own battles,

1061
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:04,959
Speaker 1: Mark Cuban, I hope you hear me. We can't be fighting.

1062
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: I talked to rig about that. I told Luca needs

1063
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 1: him a dog out there, because that's the only chance

1064
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: you had to stop that motherfucker. You gotta try to bully,

1065
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 1: and that's what we would have did. I mean, he's

1066
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 1: so cold, like he needs. When you can't stop him,

1067
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: you gotta start, you gotta try to do something. And

1068
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: that really good. But but but just to watch what Heat,

1069
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 1: What what Luca did, what Dame did? What Donovan? Mitchell

1070
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 1: and and Murray went back and forth and did on

1071
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 1: some Vincent and Ai dropping fifty after fifty type games

1072
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 1: to see what the Lakers and Lebron are doing, to

1073
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: see what Jimmy has been doing. I love what the Heat,

1074
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 1: but I picked the Heat to beat the Bucks because

1075
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,240
Speaker 1: I finally feel like Jimmy is in a real leadership

1076
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:49,360
Speaker 1: situation with guys that are young but not babies, that

1077
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 1: were really listening and understand what kind of work he's

1078
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: put it in the past and how hard he leaves

1079
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 1: by example. But he has all these kids playing bigger

1080
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 1: than themselves. You know how Kobe used to have us

1081
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 1: playing bigger than our else he has these young guns

1082
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 1: out there shooting and crowded out there doing he does

1083
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 1: and believe in Dragic and along down the line. So

1084
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: I've loved watching Miami. Boston was my sleeper team in

1085
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 1: the East and they still haven't let me down. I

1086
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 1: love Jayson Tatum and and Marcus Smart and what these

1087
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:19,760
Speaker 1: guys are doing. So in the Eastern Conference, we got

1088
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: Boston verse Miami. We gotta be even though you're wearing

1089
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: the Boston, Jersey. I know you're going for Jimmy el

1090
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: bizl Builds showed me a lot of love when I

1091
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: was in Indiana. Man one of the goats. Um, yeah,

1092
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: I'm I'm going with I'm going with j B. Man.

1093
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 1: I can't go on each other one. That's my boy

1094
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 1: one one. You know, I'm always roomed for the underdog.

1095
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 1: You gotta think my boyson living on the street at

1096
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 1: one point, so I'm always I'm always rooting for the underdog.

1097
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 1: But just the fact that he was in Philadelphia, he

1098
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,439
Speaker 1: was a big piece to today Postle and they would

1099
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 1: have been winning this year if people have still been there.

1100
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: But the fact that they tried to demean him when

1101
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 1: they cut it, I mean when I really cut him

1102
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 1: but didn't sign him back and I we talked. He

1103
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:04,399
Speaker 1: was really focused on just not really he wasn't really

1104
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,879
Speaker 1: focused on going out there and just being an all star.

1105
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 1: He was focused on winning and leading his team and

1106
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 1: bring it toughness to this team and to see everything

1107
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:13,840
Speaker 1: that he was working for doing the whole time, you know,

1108
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: come come to that. I think that was a situation

1109
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 1: for him because they're a blue collar, hard type working

1110
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 1: He's a blue collar superstar. You know what I mean?

1111
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 1: They you know I mean they were out there playing basketball,

1112
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. They have to fight. They

1113
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 1: they had to scratching like we used to play that.

1114
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:31,399
Speaker 1: That's that's scratching and doing everything to win the game.

1115
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 1: And that's what scares me too, because I'm I got Boston.

1116
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 1: They were my sleeper. I picked them at the beginning

1117
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:39,919
Speaker 1: to be my sleeper once the playoffs started. And that's

1118
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 1: the one thing because Miami is dogs and I know

1119
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 1: that I would try to dog Jason Tatum. I try

1120
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: to dog Brown. I would try to dog everyone out there.

1121
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:50,840
Speaker 1: Everyone talent to Kimba. Yeah, I don't know, but I

1122
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 1: don't know if they can. I think these boys are ready.

1123
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: They've been battle tested their first year with Lebron and

1124
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 1: them took a step back. The Kyrie experiment didn't work.

1125
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 1: Kimba in this year and that's been work. I think

1126
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 1: Gordon Hayward's coming back soon. I got Boston just like

1127
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 1: you said, they're more talented. Brown been killing, been killing.

1128
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 1: I like the young kid. Who's the young kid? Williams?

1129
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:14,840
Speaker 1: Robert Williams, And I'm sorry, bro, I didn't even know

1130
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,439
Speaker 1: who he was before the bubble hit because I hadn't

1131
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:20,280
Speaker 1: really been paying attention that that he's been very impressive.

1132
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: That a big active dog out there, running, jumping, rebound,

1133
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 1: blocking shots, and he could pass. They skilled, he could,

1134
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 1: he could, he could really play. Yeah, I think that's

1135
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:30,839
Speaker 1: a great pick up for them. But like I said,

1136
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,919
Speaker 1: I just think you know that that Tatum Brown, Kimba

1137
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 1: Walker and Marcus Smart as that wild cartus hellfunk around

1138
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 1: and he wanted us. He's going. I love Marcus Smart

1139
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:44,359
Speaker 1: a gang, He's a dog. So we gotta figure out

1140
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:46,439
Speaker 1: what we're betting on that series. What do you think

1141
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 1: the key to Miami winning is make the game grimy,

1142
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 1: make it physical, make it dirty type of game. We

1143
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 1: would have to make it. When you planning against the

1144
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 1: team that's so talented, when you have so many players

1145
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 1: that's unguardable, you gotta make it dirty. You got it.

1146
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 1: You gotta physical, scrappy, you know what I'm saying. You

1147
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 1: gotta you gotta get all the loose balls, all the

1148
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 1: little stuff. The NBA isn't that way anymore though, So

1149
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 1: if they let him play that way, well, you know,

1150
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 1: at this point when you get to the finals and

1151
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 1: go a little bit longer. Yeah, and let it go.

1152
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:15,800
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's been getting a little tight. You know,

1153
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:18,800
Speaker 1: guys been pushing like the last couple of games and

1154
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 1: back and forth. I think the key to Boston Boston,

1155
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 1: and I think they're big three Kimba, Tatum, and Brown

1156
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 1: have the average at least six together at least sixty

1157
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 1: five are higher and Marcus Smart to beat him and

1158
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 1: then everyone else to play their role. And that's why

1159
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 1: I like about Boston. Everyone plays a role, but Jimmy

1160
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: as does Miami. That's the one thing I like about

1161
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 1: Boston two is that everyone tries to guard. You see

1162
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 1: Tatum out there trying to guard. Brown is out there

1163
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 1: locking up. They all take on Mark. Marcus Smart is

1164
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: the hardest soul of that team, just like Jimmy is

1165
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 1: the hardest. Sold your Miami song. That's gonna be a blast.

1166
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 1: We gotta figure out what we're doing. Maybe some more,

1167
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 1: maybe some more cush ups. Um, all right. We're shooting

1168
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 1: this the day before the Big Game seven with Denver

1169
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 1: and the Clippers want to forecast and talk about the

1170
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:03,359
Speaker 1: Battle of l A. But we don't want to disrespect Denver.

1171
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:05,320
Speaker 1: You feel feel to stay They definitely still have a

1172
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 1: shot in game seven. You know, Clipper, Well, I've been

1173
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: part of the Clippers second round curse. I'm hoping this

1174
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 1: year it breaks. What do you feel like Denver needs

1175
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,839
Speaker 1: to do to get past the Clippers until you're playing

1176
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 1: the game and playing the way they've been playing, I

1177
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:19,439
Speaker 1: think Clippers got to figure out how they're gonna stop

1178
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:21,919
Speaker 1: all these damn lay ups from Denver. No I thought

1179
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,320
Speaker 1: I said, I'm saying they get into the paint and

1180
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 1: land the ball up every time. Every time. Bro tick

1181
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 1: and roll and yogis the best passer in the game,

1182
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 1: is a big man. He just picking them apart. Broy's

1183
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 1: been putting up some crazy numbers, dog ridiculous. He's been

1184
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 1: having some fifty point games. So if you come with

1185
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:43,359
Speaker 1: a point game, look out, Clipper, Daryl. Like you said,

1186
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 1: the bubble has everyone focused and something that the outside

1187
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:48,359
Speaker 1: fans may not realize that that home cours it is real.

1188
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,880
Speaker 1: And then big the big lights with the crowds screaming

1189
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:53,879
Speaker 1: at you, and you don't have that no more. That's

1190
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:57,800
Speaker 1: a huge matter. Usually it took the mental capacity of

1191
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 1: the Stars to kind of step up, but without that

1192
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:03,359
Speaker 1: real home court advantage, more like you're really seeing you're

1193
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:05,800
Speaker 1: getting the best of everybody. Some guys hit knee shots,

1194
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 1: wouldn't hit him in the when arenas no different. I

1195
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 1: love what's going on. I love it back and forth.

1196
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:16,760
Speaker 1: I love the scoring, but I don't think the common

1197
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:19,759
Speaker 1: fan understands how important those the home court and that

1198
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 1: screaming asked crowd is when you're trying to make a

1199
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:24,439
Speaker 1: free throw. You're trying to hit a corner three wide

1200
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 1: open with with the with the game on the line. Now,

1201
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 1: it's just like playing in the gym. So it's been fun.

1202
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:31,799
Speaker 1: But you know, Game seven, I gotta take my hat

1203
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 1: off to Denver man. Yo Kich has proven to me

1204
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:36,320
Speaker 1: to be the best big in the game. Jamal Murray

1205
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 1: is is putting, you know, putting his he's ten toes

1206
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 1: down to the league now. I think this was kind

1207
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 1: of his coming out party, and they have just a

1208
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 1: lot of solid pieces. Harri has been hurt. He just

1209
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 1: really gets going back. I heard a rumor if they

1210
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:50,959
Speaker 1: get passed that Will. I don't know if they're gonna

1211
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:52,800
Speaker 1: get past, but Will Barton could be coming back. But

1212
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 1: Michael Porter Jr. He's been out there hooping and been

1213
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 1: out spoken. Eve been out there saying they mock. Yeah,

1214
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: I feeling touch that. I'm not mad at it. It's

1215
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 1: different though, like because I think Jason William Front or

1216
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:07,320
Speaker 1: someone said something that this shouldn't have been something that

1217
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 1: came to me, and I completely agreed back on our

1218
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:11,360
Speaker 1: day wouldn't. But it's a new age and everyone everything

1219
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,840
Speaker 1: is for everybody now. I feel him. Bro, listen, you

1220
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 1: missed the whole year. Do back service. We want to

1221
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:19,359
Speaker 1: do it. You still got to pay your dudes. Bro,

1222
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 1: you can't. You can't just show up and when Yoki,

1223
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 1: Jim Irvyn and Har has been carrying his team all

1224
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:26,360
Speaker 1: the time. You when you show up because you have

1225
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 1: a game, when you don't on somebody one play bro,

1226
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 1: one shot, slow your own, young fella. You got a

1227
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 1: lot to prove because with nobody in the team telling you,

1228
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 1: the Clippers picking on him, whoever gain well we garden right,

1229
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 1: So so you gotta get your It's a lot. It's

1230
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 1: a lot that you don't see that your coaches seeing

1231
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 1: young Feller. Trust me, I've been there. Papa did the

1232
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 1: same thing to me. I like it. I like it though.

1233
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 1: I like his energy is enthusiasm, Like he said, it's

1234
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 1: definitely a lot more to learn. I think he's very talented,

1235
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 1: you know. The Clippers, on the other hand, and I

1236
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 1: said that it was not gonna be pretty. It was

1237
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 1: gonna be an ugly situation the whole way along grind.

1238
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 1: You know. Now we see Games seven. Another thing that

1239
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 1: I think people don't take consideration is, you know, Paul

1240
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 1: George came out and talked about his mental health in

1241
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:07,840
Speaker 1: the bubble, you know, being isolated from his family and

1242
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:10,879
Speaker 1: locked off from the world. I talked to Chris Paul,

1243
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 1: and he said he had trouble leaving the bubble and

1244
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 1: kind of getting back acclamated because they've been locked down

1245
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:17,760
Speaker 1: for you know, over sixty days now. It's it's obviously

1246
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: been longest since I talked to Chris, but he said

1247
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 1: he had problems sleeping. When he got home, he woke

1248
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:24,879
Speaker 1: up in a panic sweat. So like, I don't think

1249
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 1: we consider everything that's been going on in the world,

1250
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 1: and these guys have been doing what they can do

1251
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 1: to to to be a part of the society and

1252
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 1: the social justice push and still entertained and play basketball.

1253
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 1: But just that mental of just not being able to

1254
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 1: see I can imagine not being able seeing my son

1255
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 1: Ashton for two months, two and a half months, you're

1256
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:43,360
Speaker 1: not seeing your kids and kind of just being locked

1257
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:45,399
Speaker 1: out and isolated. I know a lot of people were

1258
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 1: rather being the bubble than be with that right now.

1259
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 1: So I don't feel sorry for none of them. I

1260
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 1: don't bro I don't feel for none of them. Y'all

1261
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 1: in the bubble, y'all in a nice place. I got food,

1262
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 1: y'all good. Some of y'all got tree in there, some

1263
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:01,320
Speaker 1: of y'all smoking tree and there. So y'all got everything

1264
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:03,919
Speaker 1: y'all need in there. It can't be that damn bad.

1265
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:05,800
Speaker 1: But it's just different like it. It's just that that

1266
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 1: mental approach, you know, how you have to be all

1267
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:09,720
Speaker 1: the way locked in to to be able to perform

1268
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 1: the best you could perform, you know what I mean.

1269
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:13,319
Speaker 1: So if you're not all the way locked in, because

1270
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:15,479
Speaker 1: I've never been, I mean, I've never been. You gotta

1271
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 1: think we have money, We always have been able to

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00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 1: move and do and do whatever we want. You can't

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00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 1: do that no more so, although it's still a lot

1274
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 1: better than the world's circumstances, I'm just staying for players.

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00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 1: It's just a different approach and mentality that kind of

1276
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 1: have to conquer me personally. If I'm in the bubble

1277
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 1: and I can't do nothing, knowing a lifestyle I live,

1278
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 1: I would have been way more focused. I wouldn't have

1279
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 1: been in another place because I'm sitting here focused on

1280
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 1: I can't do nothing else. And just like you in jail,

1281
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 1: why everybody gets sworn when they go to jail, Ain't

1282
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 1: nothing else to do with live weights. So if you're

1283
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 1: in the bubble, you shouldn't be focused about nothing nothing.

1284
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 1: You shouldn't be not focused the whole basketball because that's

1285
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 1: all you had to do. There's nothing else to do

1286
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 1: it here. So I didn't I didn't get that side

1287
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 1: of it. I mean, yeah, you're gonna miss your family ship,

1288
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:04,439
Speaker 1: You're gonna half the season, half the year traveling away

1289
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 1: from your family. So what're you talking about two months?

1290
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 1: I didn't get it. Sorry, five didn't get it. I'm

1291
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 1: looking ahead to the Clippers beat Denver. I hope this

1292
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 1: age as well, and we have the Battle of l

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00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 1: A in the Western Conference Finals. You you had the

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00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 1: Lakers winning it. I had the Clipping winning it. Yeah,

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00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 1: and you're gonna be some money in in a minute,

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00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 1: the Battle of l A. You still feel the same way.

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00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 1: I'm not changing. I told you that the dynamic of

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00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 1: Lebron and a Dve eve never seen. We've never seen.

1299
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 1: And look what we at. Who else has a step

1300
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 1: up for them? Don't moving forward? Well, that's just Round

1301
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 1: gonna playing well. But the supporting the supporting cast is

1302
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 1: so unpredictable. Danny Green, he's supposed to be a three

1303
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 1: point shooting, he's struggling. Round is really the third option

1304
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 1: right now. They're not playing Swiss and not playing Dion Waynas.

1305
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 1: So I don't know about that style against the Clippers,

1306
00:58:57,720 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 1: That's all I was asking. Yeah, I don't know y'all

1307
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 1: us in the bucks, what do you see there? I'm

1308
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 1: not surprised. Bro. We know this regular season in playoffs too,

1309
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 1: we don't let you do all that, all of the trap.

1310
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 1: We'll let you do all that in regular season in

1311
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 1: the playoffs, nine people right here and make you. You're

1312
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 1: not gonna shoot it. You couldn't in the house of

1313
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 1: us in the kitchen. So we're just gonna make you

1314
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 1: do the things that you don't want to do. And

1315
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 1: your teammates are not used to making shots and carrying

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00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 1: the team. So they're just not gonna pick up and

1317
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 1: carry the team in the playoffs. I knew that was

1318
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 1: gonna happen. He has to leave. He has to leave. Bro,

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00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 1: nobody's going to Milwaukee. I've been there. I played, and

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00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:40,360
Speaker 1: I was only played a couple of games. I was

1321
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 1: trying to get traded, actually, Matt I told him I was.

1322
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 1: I didn't stop going to games. I just stayed at

1323
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 1: home until they traded me. That's how bad it was there.

1324
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 1: And then I remember that's when me and Coke came

1325
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 1: out there. You wouldn't even know. You weren't even in

1326
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:57,920
Speaker 1: the arena. He had cold in the club. Yeah, but

1327
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:01,439
Speaker 1: in milwa on Milwaukee. But that's the one part about

1328
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 1: Milwaukee is they're not going to attract any major free agents.

1329
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 1: They're not gonna get a guy's not gonna say, hey,

1330
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:08,240
Speaker 1: I want to go play honest in Milwaukee. That's not

1331
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 1: gonna happen. So do you think he stays the least?

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01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 1: I think he leaves. I mean they can say that

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01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 1: he always follows unfollows his teammates, and I think he's

1334
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 1: going to leave because the opportunities that he has now

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01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:21,439
Speaker 1: has never been thrown at. It you know, I don't.

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01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:23,520
Speaker 1: I don't think he cares that much about being on

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01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 1: the same team with his bloods and like that. I

1338
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 1: think he wants to win. I think he honestly wants

1339
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 1: to win, and he has other situations that's gonna put

1340
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:32,280
Speaker 1: him in the better situation. Give me three teams, you

1341
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:38,439
Speaker 1: think go to State, Miami and Dallas. I want to see.

1342
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 1: I want to see Devin go to Dallas. Dallas has

1343
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 1: enough money, they can get another third. They can get

1344
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:47,600
Speaker 1: rid of some of them trumps they got over there

1345
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 1: Banks the Nets signs Steve Nash. Yeah, I'm head coach.

1346
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:57,600
Speaker 1: I think that there's some initial black lash about white

1347
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 1: privilege and opportunity, and this ties back into the political

1348
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 1: climate that we're in and mixed with sports. What do

1349
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 1: you feel about a Hall of famer taking that job

1350
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 1: with the Nets. I would rather it's been Steve Nash,

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01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:11,600
Speaker 1: a two time m v P. Then a guy that

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01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 1: they gonna find in the film room and just give

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01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 1: him a job like they've been doing so. You know,

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01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 1: obviously it was it's not it's a lot of black

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01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 1: guys that was qualified for the job that could have

1356
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 1: got it. But it's other teams. The same way. But

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01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 1: if a white guy had to get a job first

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01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 1: time coaching being in a great situation, because they don't

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01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 1: normally put black coaches in good situation like that. Now,

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01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:33,800
Speaker 1: I would rather be Steve Nash because he knows the game.

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01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:35,919
Speaker 1: And then every black person and everybody in the league

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01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:39,440
Speaker 1: love Steve Nash us, So if it had to be anybody,

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01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:41,640
Speaker 1: it had to be Steve Nash. It's not about what

1364
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 1: you know, it's about who you know. You know. Obviously

1365
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 1: he had times with kay d going back, he was,

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01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:48,440
Speaker 1: you know, a special assistant with Golden State. So I

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01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 1: think it's gonna be a great situation. I agree with you.

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01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 1: Normally a black coach wouldn't be given an opportunity like that,

1369
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 1: but I didn't. The only reason why I'm even saying

1370
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 1: that now is because I think everyone else brought it up.

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01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:01,479
Speaker 1: But to me, it's just about who who you feel

1372
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 1: is gonna comfortably run your organization, you know what I mean?

1373
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:07,200
Speaker 1: And like I said, Steve Nash had ties to Shawn Marks,

1374
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 1: who's the GM, and then off he ties with Kevin Durant.

1375
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 1: So I'm sure Kevin and and Kyrie had a stamp

1376
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:15,480
Speaker 1: in which they did and having like you said, a

1377
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:17,720
Speaker 1: two time Hall of Fame you know, two time MVP

1378
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:21,920
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame player, leading your team is always a

1379
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:24,720
Speaker 1: good movie. And Steven Ay Smith, you said I stayed

1380
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:27,760
Speaker 1: with Steve Nash. I get you. I've never lived with

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01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 1: Steve Nash in my life. Bro, what happened? I didn't

1382
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 1: here he was saying, Uh, he was trying to make

1383
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 1: a disclaimer before he came out with it was a

1384
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:36,920
Speaker 1: white privilege. And he said even he did a lot,

1385
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 1: even Stephen jack Stephen Jackson stayed with him. I've never

1386
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:43,360
Speaker 1: stayed with Steve Nash. Stephen A. Smith, get your facts right.

1387
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:45,400
Speaker 1: You do a lot of blabbord on TV. Make sure

1388
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:47,840
Speaker 1: you get it right. Bro. I've never stayed with Steve Nash.

1389
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 1: That's my big bro. He was there when I got drafted,

1390
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 1: but I never lived with him. I had to clear

1391
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 1: that up. Look like I'm going around living with motherfucker's everyone.

1392
01:02:56,480 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 1: I ain't homeless now. Your favorite coach in the NBA,

1393
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:04,960
Speaker 1: Mike D'Antoni and the ties to walk away from Houston.

1394
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:10,080
Speaker 1: Thoughts about that, man, Listen, it's best to walk away

1395
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:11,760
Speaker 1: some ties, you know what I'm saying. It's just to

1396
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:13,880
Speaker 1: walk away, so you won't get five. They can say

1397
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:15,440
Speaker 1: that it was gonna bring it back. Come on, man,

1398
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:18,920
Speaker 1: I said this, and from the last three years, even

1399
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:21,160
Speaker 1: when he first got the job. He's an offensive coach.

1400
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:24,960
Speaker 1: James hardenn't need to be coached on offense. He's the best,

1401
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:27,200
Speaker 1: one of the best for us ever. You need a deep,

1402
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:29,040
Speaker 1: instant coach. You need to coach. It's gonna hold these

1403
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:31,440
Speaker 1: guys accountable. They don't have that, and that's why they

1404
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:33,520
Speaker 1: still in the position there. So I'm happy he's gone

1405
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 1: because now James can probably get somebody in there that's

1406
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 1: not patting him on the back all the time. It's

1407
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:40,920
Speaker 1: gonna hold him accountable, making play deepens, making play harder,

1408
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:43,280
Speaker 1: making him like he cared more about the game, just

1409
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:45,880
Speaker 1: caring about scoring. Now do you think a new coach

1410
01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:49,880
Speaker 1: can handle that type of roster From a standpoint, it's

1411
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 1: built to play a certain type of basketball, right coach

1412
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 1: Van Gundy, right the right coach where you're gonna force

1413
01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:59,480
Speaker 1: these plays like a Paplovitch. I don't care who on

1414
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 1: the team or I could be on that team. We're

1415
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:03,040
Speaker 1: not coming in. If you don't buy into what this

1416
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 1: team is doing, you're gone. You know what I'm saying,

1417
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 1: that's the type of coach they need. And James is

1418
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 1: gonna respect that too, because he want to win when

1419
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:11,600
Speaker 1: he wants somebody to hold him Occonna and you let

1420
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 1: him walking up with him the small show I've been

1421
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:15,240
Speaker 1: walking in like he don't care about the game and

1422
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:17,160
Speaker 1: just going and scoring and not caring about He's gonna

1423
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:18,920
Speaker 1: continue to do that. But when you pull him in

1424
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:20,720
Speaker 1: the locker room saying, look, bro, this is where we're at.

1425
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:23,640
Speaker 1: You need to be the same for some deepest your

1426
01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 1: attitude need to change to pick up your atta, you

1427
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:27,400
Speaker 1: know what, I need to show you care more when

1428
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 1: you come at him like that and let him know

1429
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:31,080
Speaker 1: you're behind him a hunting for temper cent. Hopefully they'll

1430
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:33,080
Speaker 1: transferred through the team. You ain't gotta say that, but Russ,

1431
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:35,439
Speaker 1: you just gotta calm Rust down, you know what I'm saying.

1432
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 1: You gotta just work on the little things with Russ game.

1433
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 1: But you need rushing the Rust to be the energy.

1434
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:41,600
Speaker 1: You need them to be balking, You need them to

1435
01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 1: be more coachable, you know what I mean. And I

1436
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:45,640
Speaker 1: think that that would change the team. But Dantone is

1437
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:47,640
Speaker 1: definitely getting them out of there's definitely a great step,

1438
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 1: good job. Who would you see? Who do you see?

1439
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 1: And you mentioned Van Gundy? Now I just I just

1440
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 1: do his name out there. Mark Jackson is out there, TYLW.

1441
01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:00,600
Speaker 1: Mike Brown. Still, you know that's my I'm always throwing

1442
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:02,160
Speaker 1: him out there. But like I said to me, I

1443
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:09,160
Speaker 1: think that's obviously you're inheriting Johnson. He just said recent coach.

1444
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:12,120
Speaker 1: He just said. It came with with this thing that

1445
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 1: if Steve Nash get a job that is and I

1446
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:17,120
Speaker 1: might as well tropic that's what he said. You might

1447
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:18,920
Speaker 1: gonna come out that. That's the article said. I'm not

1448
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 1: mad at it. You know, we touched on obviously during

1449
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:24,440
Speaker 1: this this process of what we feel like the NBA

1450
01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:28,400
Speaker 1: can and hopefully will do um post bubble, and one

1451
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:30,320
Speaker 1: thing you touched on and we thought was important to

1452
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:34,080
Speaker 1: just be out there and about show your face. You know,

1453
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:36,600
Speaker 1: obviously everyone is doing just because it's not publicizing and

1454
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 1: men people aren't doing doing stuff. People are definitely out

1455
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:42,480
Speaker 1: there doing stuff. But just be touchable, you know. I mean,

1456
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:44,240
Speaker 1: like I said, put ourselves. We were we were lucky

1457
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:45,960
Speaker 1: to make it out when we come from these same

1458
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:49,560
Speaker 1: areas and and could have been these same statistics if

1459
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:52,040
Speaker 1: it wasn't for you know, someone helping us out, you

1460
01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:53,600
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So I think, you know, being

1461
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:56,600
Speaker 1: in these communities giving people hope because in your community,

1462
01:05:56,600 --> 01:05:58,840
Speaker 1: you look up to the people in the corner because

1463
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:00,320
Speaker 1: that's all you ever see, you know us. So to

1464
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:02,080
Speaker 1: be able to get these athletes to come in and

1465
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 1: business people to come in and be touchable, be accessible,

1466
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:07,000
Speaker 1: I think that's that's going to be a huge step.

1467
01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:08,600
Speaker 1: But overall, like I said, I think it's important for

1468
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:10,800
Speaker 1: the NBA owners to really put some money where their

1469
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:13,960
Speaker 1: mouth is because they're not using their mouth. Put some

1470
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:17,080
Speaker 1: money in that ship and healthy cities out. I agree.

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Speaker 1: That's a wrap for episode forty four. It's going to

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Speaker 1: be back bro always man. Stay tuned season two. We

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01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:28,360
Speaker 1: promise you will be even more exciting and amazing guests,

1474
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:31,640
Speaker 1: a wide variety of topics. But this is the welcome

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Speaker 1: back episode, so we hope you enjoyed it. You can

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01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:37,440
Speaker 1: find all the smoke on Showtime Basketball YouTube and we

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Speaker 1: have a new audio partner. Thank you to my Heart

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Speaker 1: for jumping on board. We're excited. Fasten your seatbelts. Season

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Speaker 1: two's coming at you. All of it two world champions

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Speaker 1: happened to be twin brothers. Well, the ingredients are there.

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Speaker 1: Two guys who love to sit down to their punctures

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Speaker 1: and throw that firepower. I'm not scared of nobody, and

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Speaker 1: I'm definitely not scared of someone. We're talking. There's no

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Speaker 1: one in the division that can beat me. There's no

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Speaker 1: one in the division that strong as me. It would

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Speaker 1: definitely deliver a statement the powers for real. They would

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Speaker 1: getting a chance to let everyone in the world see

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Speaker 1: the great things that me and my twin brother has

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Speaker 1: a dreamt of a s quarter boxing just you know,

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Speaker 1: the same card gives us an energy. We we want

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Speaker 1: to be sharp, we want to be at our best.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna both meet in the middle of the ring

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna let our hands go. Let the best

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Speaker 1: man win. They are boxing and they pound for pound.

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Speaker 1: This is all a smoke. A production of The Black

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