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Speaker 2: Man, I mean in the uh in the days.

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Speaker 1: That matchup in terms of time of year, like you,

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Speaker 1: like you can only help for a perfect perfect day.

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Speaker 1: I don't know where you are, but you're in Green Bay, Wisconsin. Wow,

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Speaker 1: what a day. What an absolute chamber of commerce type

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Speaker 1: of day. And we're so happy to have you in

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Speaker 1: yourd Bonci Bolanos, she's with us throughout the show. Of course,

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Speaker 1: you got our guy Dan Byer who's doing Bounce around

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Speaker 1: doing all these other shows. He'll be hosting for me tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: I'll be hosting the Hurt. You got Jason Stewart and

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Speaker 1: you got Big Apple Iowa Sam on the show. Let's

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Speaker 1: just go with the biggest news of the day. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's sort of slow news time, but again, I think

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Speaker 1: this is really interesting, right, the Lakers have signed DeAndre Ayton,

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Speaker 1: and I think it's pretty obvious what's taking place. You

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Speaker 1: heard Brian Windhorst earlier today on ESPN saying, look, I

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Speaker 1: started with the never and now it's Lebron James is

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Speaker 1: in an expiring contract. An expiring contract is something that's

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Speaker 1: very valuable to people in the trade market. And he's like,

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say never. Now is if it's ever

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Speaker 1: this is the time, and I don't know. The whole

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Speaker 1: and now you see what the Lakers are doing in

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Speaker 1: acquiring DeAndre Ayton. They need a big guy. Deandreton is

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Speaker 1: very good off pick and roll. Now, I don't actually

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Speaker 1: It doesn't mean he's not effective. But he also has

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Speaker 1: had his troubles defensively and in the playoffs, and some

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Speaker 1: attitude motivational things, but they're trying to find the right

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Speaker 1: fit for Luka Doncik, Luka Doncik. And this is a

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Speaker 1: little bit like why Cam Newton couldn't still be in

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Speaker 1: the NFL. This is a lot like why Alan Iverson

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Speaker 1: really really struggled when he went to the the Denver

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Speaker 1: Nuggets to play with Carmelo Anthony. You know, when you're

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Speaker 1: so used to being the guy for so long, when

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Speaker 2: You don't know what to you. Hear yourself.

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Speaker 1: Right, and remember you go back the last couple of years,

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Speaker 1: and Lebron James really smart in that he would let

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Speaker 1: Austin Reeves and others like go and try and get

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Speaker 2: Which he could he could rest. He seemed okay with that.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't seem okay with this because in order to

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Speaker 1: make Luca successful, Luca's got to have the ball a

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Speaker 1: ton and he's got to determine everything. And the only

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Speaker 1: the only conclusion you can come to is that Lebron

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Speaker 1: was cool with other guys taking shots, with other guys

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Speaker 1: asks him, and they're just doing things on their own and.

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Speaker 2: He's not okay with it. He's not okay with it.

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Speaker 1: I just it's a fascinating thing to watch where if

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Speaker 1: want to win a championship, you did not have to

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Speaker 1: pick up your player option. And you can tell me

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Speaker 1: all you want about, Wow, Lebron James should never play

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Speaker 1: for less money. Hey, you are what the market will bear.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: If you don't think Lebron James could have gotten fifty

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Speaker 1: three million dollars out in the olden market, then the

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Speaker 1: league is telling you what I'm telling you, which is

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Speaker 1: he's not a top ten, top fifteen, top twenty player.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying it. The league is, and frankly Lebron

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Speaker 1: and Rich Paul is and damn sure the LA Lakers are.

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Speaker 1: And I think the thing about it that I can

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Speaker 1: And then there's ultimately a breakup. Right, This is my

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Speaker 1: Some some of it comes through just having some perspective,

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Speaker 1: And all of those bad times seem to pop back

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Speaker 2: Memories and they're like, ah.

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Speaker 1: Again, I'll give you the Lakers for Lebron. He's sitting

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Speaker 1: I set the all time scoring mark. Place is full.

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Speaker 1: I'm still getting buckets and winning games with a myriad

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Speaker 1: of coaches. You know, we don't spend a ton of

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Speaker 1: even the Clippers do. We don't have a brand new arena,

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Speaker 1: not like state of the art. It's not like you

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Speaker 1: one who turned Anthony Davis into a championship player. Was

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Speaker 1: previously Anthony Davis always breaking down. You know, Lebron in

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Speaker 1: his mind, he's like, I'm Lebron James, I am the system.

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Speaker 1: When you're the Lakers, you sit there and go, well, okay,

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Speaker 1: you've gotten hurt five out of the seven years and

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Speaker 1: haven't finished the season. There was the time in which

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Speaker 1: that that relationship ended in terms of quality relationship, Like

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Speaker 1: Remember the time in which you made us draft Bronnie

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Speaker 1: Then we played him on the Big Club when there's

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Speaker 2: Remember that.

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Speaker 1: In and of itself, like, ah, you let guys get

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Speaker 1: it's Lebron. But then when Lebron no longer wants to

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Speaker 1: at the top of the org chart, now all those

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Speaker 1: other things come back into play, all those other little

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Speaker 1: things that you hold against Lebron James, which you know

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Speaker 1: are on some level. As you have no idea. This

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Speaker 1: is about the right things. He wants to study film,

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Speaker 1: he wants to know the answers to the questions before

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Speaker 1: they appear on the nightly game test. But now you

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Speaker 1: talk to those same people and they're like, dude, he

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Speaker 1: has this small circle that's getting smaller. No one can

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Speaker 1: You trade away Anthony Davis, and he freaks out his

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Speaker 2: Feels headed for divorce. It does, It does. Now.

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Speaker 1: The important thing about being headed for divorce in a

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Speaker 1: basketball sense is this. It doesn't mean they won't put

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Speaker 1: if you remember how Shaq's career as a Laker ended,

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Speaker 1: it was not well. You know, he's yelling at Jerry

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Speaker 1: sacrilege if you're a Laker, if you're a tried and

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Speaker 1: Three championships. Put a statue out in front. It doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean there won't be a statue in lebron It doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean they won't hang his number up in the rafters.

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Speaker 1: Why wouldn't they. But yeah, there's going to be a

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Speaker 1: period of like five years where it's not great between

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Speaker 1: and that divorce may happen before the season starts, it

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Speaker 2: Right, But this is a.

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Speaker 1: Fascinating end to a a relationship, which is it's like

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Speaker 1: anybody it's their third marriage, right, Lakers.

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Speaker 2: We've had a.

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Speaker 1: Bunch of superstars come here before, two mixed results. But

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Speaker 1: If you stay here for seven years. This will be

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Speaker 1: his eighth season. JAYC, what's your read on the Lakers.

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Speaker 1: You're a lifelong Southern Californian and what's been taking place

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Speaker 4: No, I you know, I was a child of the

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Speaker 4: a little bit, but I still obviously follow with very closely,

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Speaker 4: and I am very interested in how Lebron James has

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Speaker 4: completely refused to connect with Laker fans. It's it's a

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Speaker 4: merely transactional relationship. You get me, Lebron James, I'm famous,

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Speaker 4: you'll be more relevant, you might win a ring, and

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Speaker 4: you can come and pay to see me. But I'm

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Speaker 4: not going to try to make any emotional connection with you.

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Speaker 4: And he's brazen about it. Almost every decision that comes

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Speaker 4: out of Lebron's camp is about Lebron and his brand.

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Speaker 4: I don't I don't know if I've ever even heard

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Speaker 4: he goes out of his way to not embrace it.

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Speaker 4: So like this week, this last decision, this most recent

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Speaker 1: We talked about young pictures, and last night I'm watching

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Speaker 6: Because sabermetricians can't understand that getting the last three outs

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Speaker 6: because they're second and third and I need two punch

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Speaker 6: outs and whatever. But probably the biggest culprit in the

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Speaker 6: new phase of pitching our relievers. These guys are just

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Speaker 6: coming and thrown as hard as they want. And if

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Speaker 6: you doubt what I'm saying, just watch an inning. Watch

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Speaker 6: the catcher's glove on fastballs and the fact that you

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Speaker 6: almost have to be Jerry Rice to catch some of

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Speaker 6: these fastballs, as opposed to being a big league catcher.

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Speaker 6: Guys set up down and in the way to throw

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Speaker 6: the ball up and away. Guy sits up down in

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Speaker 6: a way, throws the ball in middle middle guy swings

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Speaker 6: and misses. There, it says, great pitch. It's just there's

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Speaker 6: metrics that aren't being measured, and they're they're meaningful from

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Speaker 6: a standpoint of pitching. But getting the last three I remember,

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Speaker 6: if you remember way back, the Red Sox tried that

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Speaker 6: whole bullpen by committee approach in the early two thousands

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Speaker 6: and failed miserably at it. It's just different. The human

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Speaker 6: psyche is different. And I'm on the mound in the

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Speaker 6: ninth inning. Hell, as a starter. When I was on

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Speaker 6: the mound in the ninth inning, I knew those three

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Speaker 6: outs were different than the first twenty four I've gotten

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Speaker 6: as a reliever. That's your whole life. Well, think about this.

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Speaker 6: If it was not that different, then there would be

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Speaker 6: a lot of Trevor Hopkins and Mariano Rivera's with six

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Speaker 6: hundred career stage right. Yeah, But there's not, and there

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Speaker 6: won't be there.

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Speaker 2: There is not. Kurt, you're the best man.

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Speaker 1: It's not just because you have credibility in your opinion,

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Speaker 1: but you also do the work to the research and

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Speaker 1: getting us ready for the upcoming MLB Draft. This is

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Speaker 1: awesome stuff. Can't wait talk with you next week again.

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Speaker 1: Allry body, It's the complete game, Kurt Chilling. Download it

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Speaker 1: and check it out on YouTube.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Kurt.

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Speaker 2: Welcome inn oh ah, hope you're having a great day.

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Speaker 1: You're getting ready for the fourth of July. You know

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Speaker 1: what that means? All right, that's sound of fireworks.

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Speaker 3: How are you doing that? That's actually pretty convincing.

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Speaker 1: I'm I have like, well, no, I h I don't

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Speaker 1: know Sam, I know you're older than you Like Sam

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Speaker 1: has a very youthful vibe. When Sam is a grandpa,

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Speaker 1: he'll be like the most beloved grandpa ever won because

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Speaker 1: like a grandpa, he has that Cliff Claven knows a

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Speaker 1: little bit about a lot of things. But two he

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Speaker 1: plays younger than he is, right, plays younger than he is,

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Speaker 1: like honestly, like Sam has the spirit of like twenty

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Speaker 1: five twenty six year old dude and he's in his thirties.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 7: Other people say I'm like the spirit of a seventy

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Speaker 7: five year old man. So I'm kind of like a

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Speaker 7: mix of all.

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Speaker 1: The dude, that's the Cliff Claven thing and when you

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Speaker 1: know these these interesting facts whatever. But I did you

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Speaker 1: police Academy movies? Did you ever watch any of them?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 7: I gotta be honest, I've seen a little clips of them,

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Speaker 7: but I've not watched him front to back, and there's like,

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Speaker 7: what nine of them or something?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, really everybody else stopped? Was it citizens

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Speaker 1: on patrol? Was that the last time that was a

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Speaker 1: police Academy three or four?

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Speaker 7: Jay stew No, I do so the last time Steve

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Speaker 7: Gutenberg got like a CD Sisberg.

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Speaker 1: Was Yes, that's that's exactly It's exactly it, right. But again,

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Speaker 1: part of it was there was a guy Michael Winslow,

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Speaker 1: and Michael Winslow had a little bit of a run there, right,

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Speaker 1: and he was running. He did all the sounds, which

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Speaker 1: I don't know what what is that? What is that called?

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Speaker 1: That's not called panamime?

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Speaker 2: Is it? Jase, don any idea what that's called.

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Speaker 3: Beatboxer, noise maker, beat boxer.

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Speaker 2: No, but he can also do the like the.

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Speaker 3: A Man of ten thousand sound effects. Yeah.

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Speaker 7: I think Covino and Rich actually interviewed him once and

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Speaker 7: he just started doing all those sound effects and they

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Speaker 7: were like, yeah.

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Speaker 3: This is a little weird but cool.

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Speaker 1: Right, So if you grew up in that era, you

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Speaker 1: had a special affinity for it and you did your

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Speaker 1: own to various different As you guys know, there are

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Speaker 1: voices I do which I don't think you can do

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Speaker 1: over radio because even if they're not intended to be offensive,

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Speaker 1: they could be offensive.

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Speaker 2: So so you know, I got I could do it.

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Speaker 2: Lou ho no, but you could be upsetting. Oh when

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Speaker 2: I do alu ho.

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Speaker 1: But I all go have a little bit of Michael

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Speaker 1: Winszow and me where I can.

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Speaker 7: I hope tomorrow we just hear the uh the dug

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Speaker 7: no no no no no no no no no. I

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Speaker 7: hope tomorrow we hear the Doug Gottlieb centric FSR promo

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Speaker 7: where it's just you going America boom.

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Speaker 1: That's that's actually pretty good. You know what it's at

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Speaker 1: the speak of a Boob. It's at Thursday. So Jay

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Speaker 1: Stu invented something we called don't call it a throwback Thursday.

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Speaker 5: Don't call it a throwback Thursday.

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Speaker 2: Say it, Jay Stu, say it.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: Take it from here on this date, on this date

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Speaker 4: in two thousand and ten.

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Speaker 3: Now, think about it.

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Speaker 7: We are exiting the Notts and we're entering very he

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Speaker 7: calls them the notts. They're called the ots. And think

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Speaker 7: of garlic knots. I call him the knots.

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Speaker 4: It makes it different than the very farm the thoughts.

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Speaker 1: Yes, think about what you were doing. You want talk

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Speaker 1: about old souls. That's Jay Stu being an old soul. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: also kind of being a history buff because back in eight,

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Speaker 1: which is nineteen oh eight, but go ahead.

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Speaker 4: No, I remember that year. Well, Teddy Roosevelt was exiting

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Speaker 4: the White House? Uh, was a William Taft? Was he

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Speaker 4: the next president?

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Speaker 3: Then Sam William Howard Taft? Uh look into that.

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Speaker 4: And then so think about what you were doing in

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Speaker 4: twenty ten. Just think of funny ten.

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Speaker 1: We were coming out of the we're starting to recover

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Speaker 1: from the housing crisis, right, yeah, in the midterms.

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Speaker 4: And don't get me started on Bayner taking over the Congress.

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Speaker 4: But anyway, John Bayner, who cried a lot, but he

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Speaker 4: was John Baynor. He just had these tears. He's always

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Speaker 4: just very emotional, loved smoking cigarettes, Shane smoking very emotional

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Speaker 4: and he had his face look like a catcher's met

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Speaker 4: crying and.

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Speaker 2: Basically it catches me because he smoked all those heaters.

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Speaker 4: Yes, this year, this date, what is it, the third

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Speaker 4: of July twenty ten, something incredible happened these Serena Williams

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Speaker 4: was winning her fourth Wimbledon, count them four Wimbledon titles.

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Speaker 4: I don't know how much she finished up with. Maybe

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Speaker 4: Aalancey could do her homework.

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Speaker 3: On that one.

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Speaker 2: Con I be the guy? Can I be that guy?

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Speaker 1: Since we've talked about this tournament a lot recently, it

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Speaker 1: is Wimbledon, there's a Dan out of ta.

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Speaker 2: I just want to be that. I'll be that guy.

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Speaker 3: It's not Wimbledon, Nope, Fortnite.

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Speaker 4: It's a Fortnite. You gotta wear white, you know what?

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Speaker 4: Since we're talking about kind of a lower level sports,

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Speaker 4: a niche sports. The Olympics were that year Olympics, and

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Speaker 4: you probably remember the name Sean White. That was twenty

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Speaker 4: ten in London. You probably remember the name oh Landon

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Speaker 4: Donovan was in the World Cup and he scored a

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Speaker 4: goal for USA.

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Speaker 2: By the way, By the way, did you guys watch

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Speaker 2: the Gold Cup last night? No? He didn't. Oh you

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Speaker 2: were at the game?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, Landon Donovan and look, as a guy who's

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Speaker 8: folliclely challenged on some level, I understand, I feel it,

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Speaker 8: but yeah, I don't know, well, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: He was dealt a tough hand.

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Speaker 2: Tough hand.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and because he's got the ball, he's got obviously

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Speaker 1: the bald in the middle, but it's like the hair

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Speaker 1: on the side. But do you go do you just

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Speaker 1: quit before it before it's called fire yet, before it

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Speaker 1: quits on you, because it's quit on him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a tough one.

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Speaker 2: Tough one. So again I have I understand, I understand.

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Speaker 4: So those were the lower tier sports of the year.

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Speaker 4: We got the Olympics, we got the World Cup. Exciting

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Speaker 4: your twenty ten and Wimbledon. Monsey, what do you remember

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Speaker 4: most about twenty ten? What were you.

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Speaker 3: Getting into college? Get in college? In college?

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Speaker 7: But that was the year that Blake Griffin actually played

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Speaker 7: for the Clippers because he was drafted in twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 7: but he got hurt and he didn't.

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Speaker 3: Play the entire season twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 2: Oh, twenty sorry, twenty on nine, Yes, sorry, sorry, sorry,

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Speaker 2: and such.

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Speaker 8: So twenty ten was, you know, the beginning of the

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Speaker 8: Clippers being cool?

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Speaker 3: Honestly, all things to Blay Griffin.

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Speaker 8: She's not wrong, right, it's the beginning of the of

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Speaker 8: us being cool.

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Speaker 2: She's not She's not lob city, She's not wrong. Twenty ten.

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Speaker 2: In college basketball, Oh the dookies.

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Speaker 9: Let me tell you, let me tell you they had

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Speaker 9: John Shia. John Shaya helped take the Dukies to a

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Speaker 9: national title. But that NCAA title is more known for

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Speaker 9: a missed shot than any of the main shots, right,

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Speaker 9: Duke be Butler, But Gordon Hayward heaving up a mid

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Speaker 9: court shot somehow is the one that draws people interest

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Speaker 9: more than all the shots that Duke made anyway. Twenty

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Speaker 9: ten the Duke Giso. It's also the Capital A won

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Speaker 9: the national championship.

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Speaker 3: Sam, what was Iowa football doing in twenty times? Let's

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Speaker 3: go back to let's actually go back. So we were

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Speaker 3: talking about.

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Speaker 2: Iowa football plays like it's the US.

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Speaker 7: They actually had a lot expected of them that year,

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Speaker 7: and they were an underwhelming eight and five, I believe.

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Speaker 7: But we were talking about pitchers. We would take like

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Speaker 7: to win a game in baseball all time. So you

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Speaker 7: go back to twenty ten, it was the San Francisco Giants,

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Speaker 7: first of three World Series titles in five years, and

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Speaker 7: they had that deep stable of pitchers, Tim Linscum, Matt

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Speaker 7: mad Bum, probably other studs.

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Speaker 3: Never forgetting Zito. Maybe Verry Zito was on that team,

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Speaker 3: I think.

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Speaker 7: And so you uh that that was the beginning of

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Speaker 7: sort of the Giants little mini dynasty there, winning three

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Speaker 7: out of five twenty ten, twenty twelve, twenty fourteen.

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Speaker 3: I believe ei was that right? You're right?

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Speaker 4: In a good year, Aaron Rodgers got his one and

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Speaker 4: only title. It was the twenty ten season. Now, I

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Speaker 4: know we get confused here. Twenty ten season was the

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Speaker 4: year of Aaron Rodgers. You got brought the Packers another title.

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Speaker 1: You know what's crazy about about that? But bringing up

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers in twenty ten? Do you know what I

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Speaker 1: played golf with this morning?

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Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 1: Well, Mark Murphy, who used the perfect word to describe

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 2: Do you remember what the word was?

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Speaker 3: Uh? Complicated?

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Speaker 1: Complicated Squidly We talked for about three three holes about

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Speaker 1: the word complicated.

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Speaker 2: What a great word, perfect word.

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Speaker 1: Because complicated has so many negative characteristics. But it's not

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Speaker 1: actually a negative word. It's a lot like mediocre mediocre

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Speaker 1: right where to anybody mediocre be like oh that bad

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Speaker 1: hots mediocre?

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Speaker 2: Like, no, mediocre is average, it's in the middle.

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Speaker 7: I would describe Rogers as complex because it's complicated a

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Speaker 7: little more negative. I think complex is like he needs

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Speaker 7: to be understood. You need to take him in over

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Speaker 7: a fifteen year period and understand all the different moves

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Speaker 7: he's made and things he said. But back in back

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Speaker 7: when he won that Super Bowl, he was like mister popular.

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Speaker 7: I mean he was in commercials. Then we're like, man,

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Speaker 7: this guy is.

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Speaker 2: A It was the discount double check.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he did a lot.

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Speaker 1: By the way, complicated is consisting of many interconnecting parts

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Speaker 1: or elements.

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Speaker 2: Intricate.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's from probably many different confusing aspects.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that sums him up. That does some of

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Speaker 3: them up. I will say this that was complicated.

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Speaker 4: Words evolve, and especially in our lexicon, so like mediocre

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Speaker 4: has become below average, yeah, just like literally has become figuratively, Uh,

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Speaker 4: what what word did you use last week? Theory? Theory

678
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Speaker 4: used to be like a scientific proven thing, but now

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Speaker 4: it's like conspiracy theory. Anyways, I saw an interview with

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Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers twenty ten. It was the strangest thing, and

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Speaker 4: he was he took his headphones off and they were like,

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Speaker 4: what are you listening to right now? This was a surprise.

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Speaker 4: It was kind of a ballad, but it was one

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Speaker 4: of the songs of the year.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I was on a plane sitting next dam once.

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Speaker 2: What's his name?

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Speaker 3: Well, this is train train right, yeah, so sister.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what's the leads here? Train's name?

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Speaker 7: Mmmm?

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Speaker 3: Pat Monaghan?

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Speaker 2: Is it really?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we were.

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Speaker 7: He came up on He came up on Coveno and

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Speaker 7: Rich because we were talking about Drops of Jupiter, the

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Speaker 7: song Drops of Jupiter being about his mother passing away,

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Speaker 7: very heartfelt.

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Speaker 3: So what about him, Doug.

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Speaker 2: He was just he was on a plane and I was.

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Speaker 1: I just remember that he had like a picture of

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Speaker 1: himself singing and.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't did. It was weird to me.

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Speaker 3: He looks like a guy who would just be reeking

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Speaker 3: of uh perfume cologne.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, colone, Yeah, he did. He had the It was

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Speaker 2: it was he definitely was. It was. I was sitting

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Speaker 2: in first classes back then. I was working for CBS Humble, Hey, whatever.

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Speaker 1: So and it's on a cross country flight from New

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Speaker 1: York to Los Angeles, and it was almost like a

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Speaker 1: red eye flight, you know, like red eye flights. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what you guys, I fly a lot of

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Speaker 1: red Eyes. Like the whole thing is be as comfortable

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Speaker 1: as possible. And I just remember like he had like

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Speaker 1: those rockstar boots on, which like looks like they could

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Speaker 1: be motorcycle boots, but he definitely never ridden a motorcycle,

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Speaker 1: and it made they made a lot of noise, and

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Speaker 1: they also make you look taller because I don't think

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Speaker 1: he was the biggest fella in the world.

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Speaker 2: And but the is like his hair was like peak

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Speaker 2: rock star hair.

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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, so he's so he's actually like six foot

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Speaker 7: seven when you add the boots and the hair and yeah,

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Speaker 7: I know you're talking about sort of those like but

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Speaker 7: black commando boots just.

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Speaker 1: Like yes, and he didn't have like long hair. It

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Speaker 1: was it was like, well is it coughed? Is waffed?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Right, But it was like he legit had spent some

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Speaker 1: time or had somebody do his hair, like dude, runner

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Speaker 1: red eye. Everybody's gonna look so miserable and ugly in

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Speaker 1: like four hours, like who cares. But he definitely had

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Speaker 1: the hey man, I'm the lead singer of Train, don't

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Speaker 1: believe me. It's on my phone sort of thing going.

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Speaker 3: Boom when he saw you. Was he like, hey, Doug gottlb,

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Speaker 3: what should take on? Jim Calhoun, I want it now? No,

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Speaker 3: I definitely think that happened.

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Speaker 7: That went down, okay, Dug Gottleibu.

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Speaker 3: So that was a that was a big song in

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Speaker 3: the year.

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Speaker 7: But actually the number one song of twenty ten would

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Speaker 7: be controversial, controversial by today's standards. It was Kesha's TikTok

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Speaker 7: and it started with a h an intro that she

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Speaker 7: has since re record. Did Let's give it a listen?

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Speaker 7: All right, that's enough of that. So I believe that,

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Speaker 7: you know, Pete Didty obviously had a big court day

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Speaker 7: yesterday getting off the hook on a lot of stuff

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Speaker 7: that he was charged with. Must have really good lawyers, So,

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Speaker 7: you know, Kesha, I think that I swear in the

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Speaker 7: last year or two couple of years, since Diddy's faced

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Speaker 7: all these allegations, she went and scrubbed that part of

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Speaker 7: the song. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure

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Speaker 7: she did that anduse she doesn't want to be associated

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Speaker 7: with P Didty or like an artist or I don't know.

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Speaker 7: I'd have to go and find a but I could

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Speaker 7: have sworn. I saw a headline about her wanting to

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Speaker 7: redo that song with a different intro because of the

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Speaker 7: infamous P.

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Speaker 3: Diddy allegations.

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Speaker 1: Real quick, we haven't talked to NBA. Lakers beat the

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Speaker 1: Celtics in Game seven the NBA Finals. Kobe couldn't throw

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Speaker 1: it into the broad I throw it in Uh couldn't

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Speaker 1: hit water from a little.

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Speaker 2: From a boat? And Ronartest kind of saved the day.

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Speaker 3: Did you just mix metaphors with broad and I did?

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Speaker 2: I did water from a boat? Yes, I did, Thank you.

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Speaker 2: We will clean it up and that.

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Speaker 3: Oh she sorry.

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Speaker 7: Going back to Kesha, she plans to re record her

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Speaker 7: song TikTok with a lyric change.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, plans to Hey, by the way, has anybody does

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Speaker 1: Kesha still exist in this world?

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Speaker 2: Does she record new songs?

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Speaker 3: I think so. I think she still exist, but I

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Speaker 3: do know she has like new songs.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm going down.

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Speaker 3: The decision with.

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Speaker 1: And of course, twenty ten was the year of Avatar

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Speaker 1: Avatar which what's his name, Jason Bourne apparently turned down, right.

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Speaker 3: Is that Matt Dylan, Matt Damon, Mat Damon.

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Speaker 2: Damon turned down Avatar Toy Story three, Iron Man two.

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Speaker 2: I was a big iron.

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Speaker 7: Avatar was And by the way, I saw it in

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Speaker 7: three D in theaters and it was like a religious experience.

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Speaker 3: It was like it was like being on a there's

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Speaker 3: two game changers.

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Speaker 2: There was two game Changers that year. Also, Inception was

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Speaker 2: that year.

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Speaker 7: I no, I know it's on the Yeah, is that

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Speaker 7: Leo right? Yeah, Yeah, everything's upside down and all around.

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Speaker 1: For Christopher Nolan film Despicable Me. It's a very it's

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Speaker 1: a favorite of my family. Oh we had it rolling.

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Speaker 1: Uh we had it rolling in the suv for like

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Speaker 1: a year and a half, two years straight. So every

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Speaker 1: member of my family can quote grow, do not do

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Speaker 1: not far, do not do do not do it.

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Speaker 3: Doug.

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Speaker 7: I was this is right when I first moved out here,

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Speaker 7: maybe like eight nine years ago. I've been out here

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Speaker 7: for about ten years. But I was at the local

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Speaker 7: movie theater and I was walking to a movie and.

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Speaker 3: Out of the theater.

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Speaker 7: I think it was one of the Despicable Me Sequels

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Speaker 7: was Steve Carell, his wife and his children. They had

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Speaker 7: all gone to see it, and they just sort of nonchalant.

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Speaker 7: He snuck out of there, and I was like, Oh,

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Speaker 7: just would have stopped him for an autograph, but you know,

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Speaker 7: he's with his family.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to bother him. But good thing I

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Speaker 3: didn't good thing I didn't so.

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Speaker 1: M and that is uh, don't call it a throwback Thursday.

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Speaker 3: Don't call it a throwback.

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Speaker 5: Throwback Thursday,