1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:23,080 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello, 4 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my 5 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:28,159 Speaker 1: name is Nolm, my name is Ben. You're you. You 6 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 1: have a name. The name of this show is stuff 7 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. Uh, welcome back. If 8 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:36,559 Speaker 1: it's uh. If you're a longtime listener, and if you're 9 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: listening for the first time, boy, we got a doozy 10 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: for you today. This is a real weird one. If 11 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 1: you're listening to this show, then the odds are you 12 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 1: are much more likely than the average person to already 13 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: know about something called operations. Stargate that movie with James Spader, yes, uh, 14 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: and the guy from the Crime Game and Move with 15 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: James Spader and the guy from the Crying Game, who 16 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: I thought did a great job, and both of those films. 17 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 1: Powerhouse Powerhouse Sam as much anymore these days, though he's 18 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: off counting money. I think it was also a long 19 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 1: running TV show. You guys come on with like seven 20 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: different iterations crying Game. Yes, so somebody would watch it, 21 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: and it has to have the breakdown in the shower 22 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:30,959 Speaker 1: every episode. Operation star Gate, which can be confused with 23 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 1: with the TV series and and a great film with 24 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: James Spader, was a name that the U. S. Army 25 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: employed for a secret initiative to investigate what's known as 26 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 1: remote viewing, clairvoyance, or astral travel, all kinds of different 27 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: paranormal phenomena. Very much theremony, Yeah, exactly, And I mean 28 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: it makes sense if you think about it, If we say, okay, 29 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 1: just what if what if people can travel outside of 30 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: their bodies, be aware of things without physically being in 31 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: the location or having some device that physically transmits that 32 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:12,359 Speaker 1: information to them, just like a feat on a camera. Well, 33 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: that would be great. You could see nuclear facilities from 34 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: enemy countries. You could find out where different resources are hidden. Uh. 35 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: Today most of the world considers these programs to be 36 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 1: examples of just huge financial mistakes, government boondoggles. They're held 37 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: up as evidence most of the time of just how 38 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: strange and weird and wasteful the Cold War became. There's 39 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 1: a film that really popularized operations Stargate for a lot 40 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: of people, and that was The Men Who Stare At Goats. 41 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: Did you guys ever see that one did, Yes, George Clooney, 42 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:50,239 Speaker 1: And it goes into some of the specifics, although it's 43 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 1: you know, it's based on the actual events, right, like 44 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 1: Texas chainsaw maskers based on actual events. I always wonder 45 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: if that's different. You know, sometimes you'll see something that's 46 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: based on a true story, and then when it gets 47 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 1: super wild, they have to say inspired by a true story, 48 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 1: which I always thought was a very It's a little 49 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: difference that you might not notice. It's like cheese versus 50 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: cheese food products, sort of like saying based on a 51 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 1: short story by Stephen King, right, and shout out to 52 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:22,519 Speaker 1: Stephen king You know, if you are a student and 53 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: you have an idea to turn one of his short 54 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 1: stories into a film, he will sell the rights to 55 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:31,359 Speaker 1: you for one dollar. Wow, just to fet anybody out 56 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:34,519 Speaker 1: there is putting off your next big magnum opus because 57 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 1: you thought you couldn't afford Stephen Kings the rights to 58 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: his work. Well, as you go time. So the reason 59 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: why there were so much spending on on this stuff 60 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: during cold Cold War times is because if your enemy 61 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: has the capability to do this and you do not, 62 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 1: you just don't spend any money because you think it's hogwash, 63 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: then you're going to be in serious trouble because your 64 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 1: enemies are looking at your nuclear basis. Yeah, they have 65 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: a gap, right, so you have to bet that even 66 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: though it's probably not real, it might be what if 67 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 1: it is? Right. In previous episodes, we'd covered Stargate as 68 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: well as earlier Soviet research into the paranormal, which was 69 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: one of the episodes I personally liked the most. Is 70 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:22,160 Speaker 1: that quest for Shambalah and seeking to control Eurasia. Uh. 71 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: The Nazis also had an esoteric experimentation ring that was 72 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 1: more focused on the occult rather than psychic powers. But 73 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 1: there's one country that gets weirdly skipped over in most 74 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: of these conversations. China. You think that it would be 75 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:42,479 Speaker 1: in the conversations, right, It's one of the biggest, at 76 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: least the most numerous humans in the world are there, 77 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: you'd think, you know, there's a lot of money that 78 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: goes into military there and a lot of innovation and 79 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: there you know, with superpower and militarily speaking as well. Yeah, 80 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: so one would think that of course they would be 81 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: participating in this too up and they were for decades. 82 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: The Chinese government has research psychic and paranormal phenomena, and 83 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 1: many of their focus areas differed from programs in the West. 84 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 1: So what do we know about China's Let's see if 85 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:21,160 Speaker 1: I say this right, China's psychic child warrior research. Awesome, 86 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,359 Speaker 1: it's a mouthful. Well, first of all, we have to 87 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:25,799 Speaker 1: throw caveat out here that none of us are fluent 88 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: in Chinese in any of the forms Mandarin or otherwise 89 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 1: been has a little bit of experiments experience in college. 90 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 1: But uh, you dabbled in college. Well, yeah, I still 91 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 1: I still study Mandarin, but I think it would be 92 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 1: ridiculous to say that, you know, we were, we were 93 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:46,799 Speaker 1: fluent a lot of the a lot of the information 94 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:50,159 Speaker 1: about this stuff and this phenomenon uh comes from you know, 95 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: as printed in Chinese and still isn't translated. Yeah. So, 96 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: but we do have some translated stuff that we found 97 00:05:56,320 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: via the c I a via couple writer from the eighties, 98 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: I believe, right, And there's some interviews as well. So 99 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 1: we we did some we did some digging, uh, and 100 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: we're gonna give it. We're going to give it the 101 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: old college try. If you happen to be fluent in 102 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: written Chinese, we would love to hear your thoughts on 103 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: a few things that I could send you so right 104 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:26,359 Speaker 1: to us. The Western public learned about these programs for 105 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 1: the most part in January of nineteen eight five, because 106 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 1: there was a magazine called Omni, which may have heard of, 107 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: and a journalist called Marcelo Truzi, and Truzi wrote an 108 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: essay about quote China's Psychic Savants, and he traces in 109 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: the says a traces the rise of modern interest in 110 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 1: psychic powers amongst Chinese children specifically, and there's an interesting 111 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 1: story about how this occurs. The story begins with an 112 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 1: eleven year old name Tang You, and one day Tang 113 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 1: You was walking and happened to brush against his friend's 114 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: coat pocket. He then received an immediate vision of two 115 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 1: Chinese characters, um written characters shining with stark clarity in 116 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: his mind. He discovered his friend's pocket contained a cigarette 117 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 1: back with two such characters printed on the package. Um. 118 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: He was intrigued, understandably, and began to play a guessing 119 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: game Yeah with the swishes um with his fellow villagers, 120 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: and he would ask them to write random Chinese characters 121 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: on pieces of paper. Crumpled the paper into balls and 122 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: let him hold the wads of paper next to his ear, 123 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: and then he would guess the message, apparently with one accuracy. 124 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: And we'll get to that a little more later. Yeah, 125 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 1: and that's that's absolutely it. So he was this is 126 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 1: something you don't really hear about when people in the 127 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: West talk about psychic powers or these sorts of abilities, 128 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: you know, being able to see I guess through your ear. 129 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 1: That was a focus point for him. Uh. Words spread. 130 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 1: The Regional Science Commission asked to examine this child, and 131 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: allegedly they were also convinced and also, hang on, you know, 132 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: I think we we should spend a second on this. 133 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: She has Notice this eleven year old and his friend 134 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 1: are smoking. At eleven years old. I didn't want to judge, 135 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 1: but I definitely felt like, come on, guys, let's not 136 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:41,959 Speaker 1: do that. Were they on the island of Lost children? Right? I? Yeah, 137 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: I just you know, I don't know how old the 138 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: friend is, right, maybe he's twenty three. Maybe maybe he's 139 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 1: twenty three. Maybe it's a big brothers, big sisters being 140 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:55,319 Speaker 1: his kids. Smoking is bad. Don't do it. And whether 141 00:08:55,320 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 1: you're eleven of fifty three and you know it, the 142 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 1: smoking is probably not the source of the guy's claimed powers. 143 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:09,679 Speaker 1: So don't don't smoke for superpowers either, just to be clear. Well, okay, 144 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:14,959 Speaker 1: So word spread and the science commission in the region 145 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: was also convinced. So the Sichuan Provincial Party Committee it's 146 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 1: like a local government organization, backed the results and the 147 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: story was published in a regional newspaper called the Sichuan 148 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 1: Daily in ninety nine on March eleventh, and this led 149 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: to more and more and more and more children across 150 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: China being identified as psychics, possessing some variation of what 151 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:43,319 Speaker 1: the state officials and scientists referred to as extraordinary functions 152 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 1: of the human body. That's very important. Yeah, yeah, what 153 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 1: is it e F HB Yeah, or e h F 154 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 1: e h B Yeah, extraordinary human functions, Yeah, instead of 155 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: e SP. So they have saw say, they have powers 156 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: that are similar to tangs, but not not quite the same. Yeah, 157 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 1: talking about deciphering hidden messages on from various places and 158 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 1: with various parts of their bodies, with their fingers, the 159 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 1: palms of their hands, their tops of their heads, their scalps, 160 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:20,199 Speaker 1: their abdomens, their feet, even try how about an armpit. 161 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: Throw something in your armpit. I can tell you exactly 162 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: what's hidden inside that container that's now um also the 163 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 1: but talk what a what ann inconvenient superpower? Like? Look, 164 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:37,679 Speaker 1: I can read secret messages or I can read through 165 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:39,599 Speaker 1: my butt. Yeah I could read through it. But I 166 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 1: just don't sit on anything sensitive and you'll be fine. 167 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: I mean, it's a weird one, but people were claiming that, 168 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: and other reports surface claiming the kids were capable of 169 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: telepathy or X ray vision, clairvoyance, and psychokinesis. So the 170 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 1: kids typically ranged from nine to fourteen, with some of 171 00:10:56,320 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 1: them actually as young as four and as old as five. 172 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: It was estimated by Feng Hua, a traditional Chinese physician, 173 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: that there were about two thousands such gifted kids within 174 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:14,719 Speaker 1: the Chinese population of a billion, which is, you know, 175 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:18,319 Speaker 1: a very very very small, minuscule ratio if you think 176 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 1: about it. So they weren't claiming that, you know, one 177 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: out of five or whatever children can read through their 178 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: armpits or can you know, move objects with their minds. 179 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: But this became a widespread belief in people examined it 180 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: in Night. This is when it gets national like countrywide attention, 181 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: because they're mentioned in what is thought to be one 182 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: of the more prestigious journals at the time, China's Nature Journal, 183 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: And we have a quote from the article in Omni 184 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: the trus you wrote, which I think sums it up 185 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: pretty well. That February, the surge of interest prompted Nature 186 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: Journal to sponsor a huge conference, the first Science Symposium 187 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: on the Extraordinary Function of the Human Body, for participants 188 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 1: from more than twenty colleges and medical schools. The proceedings 189 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 1: were filmed by the Shanghai Science and Education Studio, and 190 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 1: the film called Do You Believe It? Was shown over 191 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: national television two millions of Chinese people. And once that happened, 192 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: oh you thought that You thought those first two thousand 193 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 1: were it? No, sure, Bob, children with alleged psychic powers 194 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: came out of the figurative would work. So this is 195 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:37,079 Speaker 1: the beginning of the modern outbreak of interest in Chinese 196 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:41,119 Speaker 1: PSI or you know, as you say, the extraordinary human functions. 197 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 1: Then I just want to say that number that we're quoting, 198 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 1: what two thousand out of one billion, and then an 199 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,439 Speaker 1: increasing number after it became more and more popularized or 200 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 1: at least known. It's really as someone who watched and 201 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: read X Men growing up, it feels like an X 202 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 1: Men ratio. Uh and that's uh, that's before was it 203 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 1: detonation when all the people lose their powers? Or m 204 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 1: day excuse me? Spoilers? Oh man, this again? All right? No, 205 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: you're right, you're right, you're right, guys, I just ruined 206 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: the world of comics. It's okay, man, it's okay. I 207 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: guess that maybe that's our collective power is to be 208 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: spoil stories, spoilers, the spoilers that's probably already, and our 209 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 1: cat and our our rallying cry will be spoiler alert. Yeah, 210 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 1: it's that's not bad at all, you know, I'm worried though. 211 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 1: Does that make us sound more like, you know, if 212 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: there were a commercial for ziplock bags or something, would 213 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: we be the bad guys like the spoilers? Yeah, you know, 214 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 1: our tupperware or something. I don't know, we would be 215 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: like the Annoyed would be like three versions of Annoyed 216 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: really fast? That film? Do you believe it? I did 217 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:06,199 Speaker 1: some searching around trying to find even clips of it 218 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: or anything, and I was unsuccessful. And I think maybe 219 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:13,679 Speaker 1: it's a translation thing. I need to find the the 220 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 1: actual translation of Mandarin and not you know, a Google 221 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 1: version of the translation. But if you find it, any 222 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: of you out there, please send it our way. Conspiracy 223 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 1: at how stuff Works dot com. And so this interest 224 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 1: in extraordinary human functions or extraordinary functions of the human body, 225 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: excuse me, this comes out here in the eighties. And 226 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 1: before we go further into the modern outbreak of interest 227 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: in Chinese side or extraordinary functions, we have to look 228 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 1: at some of the context. So Operations Stargate remote viewing 229 00:14:57,600 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: it tended to, at least as we know, concentrate on 230 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: most exclusively on that and what we have to say 231 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: as far as we know, because we only know what 232 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 1: was declassified, and some of the people who I think 233 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 1: the program really worked, or claiming that Uncle Sam still 234 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: is holding back the stuff that works, Yeah, the stuff 235 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: that worked. Um, the Chinese programs took a wider, more 236 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: varied approach, and at least some part of the pursuit 237 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: was widely publicized. There was a TV show that's like 238 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 1: if Operations Stargate was occurring, and they had a television 239 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: show called Wade a Second. Uh yeah, So this the 240 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: thing is, though, this modern version is rooted in something 241 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 1: much much older, because research in the Middle Kingdom in 242 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: this area of energy, right, intangible energy and extraordinary functions 243 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: dates back to ancient times, long before the existence of 244 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: the People's Republic of China, Long before the USA or 245 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: what we recognize as many European countries, Chinese scholars and 246 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: holy figures researched the concept of CHI. So what what 247 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: what does we've discussed g before on this show. Well, 248 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: you may think of it as energy, which is the 249 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 1: way most people do. I think some kind of life force. 250 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: It's it's the thing. I'll tell you what it is. 251 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: What is it? It's Meddiclarean's good old George Lucas. Yeah, 252 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: he ripped that off from this, this Eastern idea of chi, 253 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 1: the no punch knockout right, yes, right, Because we've seen 254 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 1: ch um tested on different shows, right, television shows. Uh, 255 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: Darren Brown I think is one of the people who test. 256 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 1: She James Randy, the world famous skeptics, had people testing chi. 257 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 1: And while those examples we just named usually end up 258 00:16:57,400 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: with them saying nah, it might just be the power 259 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: of the gestion, people do believe it, and we have 260 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: seen um neurological changes like genuine mind over matter in 261 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:14,239 Speaker 1: people who meditate in certain ways. Over time, it's not 262 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 1: like eight minutes, but you know, yes, exactly or longer 263 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: or longer. Yeah, So if we look at it in 264 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: this ancient context, then it seems pretty understandable that someone 265 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 1: would tie culturally the idea of modern psychic powers or 266 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 1: extraordinary human abilities to uh, the pre existing ideas of 267 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: a person's energy which is capable of extraordinary feats. Right, 268 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: and it goes back to mythology, it goes back to medicine, 269 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 1: It goes way way way back. Yeah. Some of the 270 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:52,880 Speaker 1: earlier dates could be traced back as far as four 271 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 1: hundred BC in a book called the Yellow Emperor's Classic 272 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: on Internal Medicine. So the idea of using using chi 273 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 1: to produce some sort of otherwise supernatural or extraordinary effect 274 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 1: didn't seem quite as implausible to to some folks. And Matt, 275 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:17,439 Speaker 1: as you mentioned, we have a video on ch Uh, 276 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 1: check that out if you like more info in our defense. 277 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 1: I think that's one of our older ones. It's so 278 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 1: little old, there's not it's not too crazy old. It 279 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 1: ends up coming. That topic comes up a lot in 280 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:34,719 Speaker 1: various other wider things that we discuss, right right, Uh, 281 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 1: you know we see it here in fiction, even in 282 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 1: the modern day, right. The one thing that's coming out 283 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: as we record this, I believe pretty soon, Netflix is 284 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:51,440 Speaker 1: releasing another another Marvel show called Iron Fist, which is 285 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: controversial for some other reasons. The important part for it 286 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:58,919 Speaker 1: in this conversation is that he's basically a cheese superhero. Right, 287 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 1: It's kind of cool, you know. And that's that's not 288 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: that's not a spoilers. Is it a spoil that he's 289 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:10,880 Speaker 1: white done done Dune? I mean, that's the other controversial part, right, 290 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 1: But you know, cheat, it's it's a round, That's what 291 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,640 Speaker 1: we're saying. It's the thing it is. And since we're 292 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 1: talking about our YouTube channel, let's quickly jump in here. Guys. 293 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:23,879 Speaker 1: We've been making videos for a long time, way before 294 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:27,639 Speaker 1: we begin this podcast, and we switch it over to 295 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: our YouTube channel a while ago two thousand twelve, I think, 296 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 1: and we have not put anything out in several months, 297 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 1: and that is because we've been working on the Guide 298 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:41,400 Speaker 1: Stones video as a longer piece, and that is really 299 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:43,399 Speaker 1: where we've been focusing all of our attention. When I 300 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: say we, I mean us, But unfortunately I'm taking a 301 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: lot longer than I should be on it. Well, and 302 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:50,879 Speaker 1: let's not forget that it takes time and effort to 303 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 1: produce this podcast every week and we've been putting a 304 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 1: lot into that as well. And you know we we 305 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:57,920 Speaker 1: we all wear a lot of hats, like we say, 306 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: um and yeah. But look for some cool, longer form 307 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 1: deep dive videos instead of the usual um you know, 308 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 1: three and a half five six minute videos. We're gonna 309 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: really give you some stuff to chew on. But those 310 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:13,959 Speaker 1: are coming back. The the the chewy ones that are 311 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 1: the snack of all. Yes, the by size, the Halloween, 312 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: the fun size, like the Dunk Dunk a Ruse, the video. 313 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: We just really want to finish this big one. Yes, yeah, 314 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 1: we absolutely do. But thanks to everyone who asked, we 315 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 1: are we are alive. No one has forced us to 316 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: the like no one. I don't know about you, guys. 317 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 1: No one showed up in my life and you know, 318 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:40,159 Speaker 1: a dark suit and told me to stop. I just 319 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 1: get phone calls where there's just someone breathing. On the 320 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 1: other hand, still, I think it might be might be 321 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 1: me calling myself from the future and in a very 322 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: weird way. Huh. Well, hey, guys, I don't know if 323 00:20:58,640 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: this is a good time or not, but should we 324 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: take a commercial break. I mean, we've gone totally off 325 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: the rail as as good a time as any. We'll 326 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 1: be back, and we're back. They for join us. We're 327 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 1: back in the game here. So we said, there's this 328 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 1: vast and storied and beautiful cultural underpinnion of interest and 329 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 1: belief in in this concept. But there's also often in 330 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 1: this part of the world a very very controlling government. Uh. 331 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 1: Some cheer related practices were banned under the tenets of 332 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: the Cultural Revolution after the During the marchist takeover, authorities 333 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 1: put a clamp on belief in the supernatural, and they 334 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 1: had some pretty cross things to say about it. Yeah, 335 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 1: the the official critics thought parapsychology was superstitious, mystical nonsense, 336 00:21:55,520 --> 00:22:00,719 Speaker 1: labeling it religion without the cross. That's a rough one. Uh. 337 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:02,879 Speaker 1: They even accused the U S and the U S 338 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 1: s R so the Union of vigorously promoting psychic phenomenon 339 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 1: to distract citizens from essentially the world's real problems. So, 340 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: and you know, as as we know, a propaganda got 341 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 1: kind of weird in the in the Cold War era, 342 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 1: but it's even weirder today. You could argue it's harder 343 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: to even detect today. I think right. So when when 344 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:32,640 Speaker 1: did this change? This attitude of the government hating any 345 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 1: exploration of the supernatural. All of this finally changed in 346 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: nineteen eight, right around the time that psychic abilities were 347 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: given a little more credence, got some more attention, um, 348 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,439 Speaker 1: when the Beijing Review wrote that quote, so long as 349 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 1: these activities do not affect the political and productive activities 350 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: of the collective, the government will not prevent them by 351 00:22:55,720 --> 00:23:00,400 Speaker 1: administrative means. So essentially they're saying, look, if you don't 352 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 1: ness with what we consider the real stuff, we're not 353 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 1: going to make it illegal. And uh, you know in 354 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 1: in many cases, uh well we'll get we'll get to 355 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 1: the modern cases here too. So they didn't say we're 356 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 1: definitely gonna help you at first. We just made it 357 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 1: not illegal. And so Chinese journals would continue to publish 358 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:24,920 Speaker 1: papers on tigong or other you know, psychic related phenomenon. 359 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 1: They often did so without government support, you know, just 360 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:33,159 Speaker 1: sort of this implicit do as you will, um, but 361 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 1: don't ask us for money. And despite this occasional lack 362 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 1: of institutional support, the studies produced results that initially impressed 363 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 1: American scientists and frightened some other members. Some other members 364 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 1: of American institutions. Yeah. In nineteen one report came out 365 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,640 Speaker 1: by the Committee for the Study of Exceptional Human Functions 366 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 1: on experience with children, and this inspired US scientists to 367 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 1: visit China at the time, and they looked at children, 368 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: a group, big group of children that were aged seven 369 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 1: to twelve, all of whom had alleged psychic abilities, which 370 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 1: is kind of cool. They got to study them or 371 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:16,400 Speaker 1: again see some demonstrations or figure out ways to improve 372 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: the testing maybe one of the one of the main approaches. 373 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:23,639 Speaker 1: And then there were experiments relating acupuncture and ESP at 374 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:27,159 Speaker 1: the Institute of High Level Physics in Beijing, and they 375 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:32,640 Speaker 1: demonstrated that acupressure points you know when you stick the needle. Yeah, sure, 376 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 1: I've not have you guys ever done acupuncture. It was 377 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 1: done on my ear at our office. Actually, what was 378 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 1: it like? I felt like someone's put a needle in 379 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 1: my ear and it supposedly was supposed to make my 380 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 1: back feel better. And I swear to you my back 381 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: started feeling better. And I guarantee you it was my 382 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,399 Speaker 1: brain making it happen. Maybe that's how it works. The 383 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: needle makes your brains makes it happen. Psycho somatic addict insane. 384 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 1: So I mean that that is an interesting argument. And 385 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,879 Speaker 1: Josh and Chuck have uh, Josh and Chuck over stuff 386 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 1: you should know, have a a good episode on how 387 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:16,959 Speaker 1: acupuncture works. Which can you know it's a controversial thing 388 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: for a lot of people. Did you do it as 389 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 1: a demonstration for a video or no? No, we had 390 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 1: a health and wellness thing back when Discovery owned our 391 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 1: our website and they had some people come out. I 392 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: don't you guys don't remember this, Okay, I did not 393 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 1: opt for the acupuncture that that that stuff freaks me out. 394 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 1: I think I just went to the free stuff they had, 395 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 1: like bags of good Yeah, yeah, I got you. It 396 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: was a good day in March. I think I got 397 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,359 Speaker 1: a BackRub too for free. Pretty awesome. Right, Yeah, it 398 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,719 Speaker 1: doesn't have it very often at work, but you are 399 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:54,719 Speaker 1: persuaded somehow. You did notice a difference. Yes, I created 400 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 1: a difference, I believe. And the this Institute of High 401 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: Level Physics, Beijing, what they what they demonstrated was that 402 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 1: ACU pressure points show a lower skin resistance to electricity 403 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 1: and a high conductivity to electricity during periods of increased 404 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:19,159 Speaker 1: psychic activity. That's a quote because that last part is 405 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,920 Speaker 1: a little dodgy. What is increased psychic activity? Does that 406 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,680 Speaker 1: just mean you're thinking diligently? You know what part of 407 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 1: your brain are you using? What is the what is 408 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 1: the specific mechanism? Is it a choker thing? I mean, 409 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 1: we gotta get into this. I don't know. We should 410 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 1: do an episode on chokers. I'd like to UM interview 411 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 1: someone who is well versed in that these abilities we're 412 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,479 Speaker 1: not just limited to, you know, reading through the armpit 413 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 1: or moving stuff in the mind. There are specific examples. 414 00:26:55,680 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 1: They kept popping up over and over. Yes, and other 415 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 1: power was to influence the mind of someone else, UM, 416 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 1: either to like, let's say, focus on some decision maker, 417 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: someone at the top of either a company or a government, 418 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 1: maybe maybe a foreign diplomat, and you could focus on 419 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 1: them and through some kind of telepathic or subconscious means, 420 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 1: you could make them do what you wanted. Yeah. Like, 421 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 1: imagine for a comparison, if you had if you had 422 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 1: brothers and sisters and you were all little kids, and 423 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 1: your parents told you that you could not go to 424 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:42,120 Speaker 1: what's something fun? What's something fun that children knew? They Yeah, 425 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 1: you cannot go sledding? And yeah, yeah, and so, uh, 426 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:51,959 Speaker 1: you get your siblings together and go, well, you know what, talking, 427 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 1: it's gone past talking. We're gonna take it to the 428 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: next level. And you go to the room next to 429 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: wherever your parents are saying, You're sit in a circle, 430 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 1: hold hands, you focus your chat on the decision. And 431 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 1: then later mom and dad or whomever come out and 432 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 1: they go, guys, we're we're gonna go sledding Disneyland, disney 433 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 1: World World, go to Wally World. That's something that, as 434 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 1: the rumors go these the government was actually encouraging it 435 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 1: as as a test. And in that regard, this is 436 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 1: where I got past the point of interesting experiments with 437 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 1: kids and got to the point of the US government 438 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 1: starting to keep an eye on it. But there were 439 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 1: other things, um that we're not quite as disturbing, you know, 440 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: like the harnessing of cheat energy to accelerate healing and 441 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 1: plant growth, which always reminds me of that r M song. Uh, 442 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 1: there's some line in rum songers like I'm keeping flowers 443 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 1: in full blue Michael Stipe, all right, it's the one 444 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 1: from the anti Kaufman movie Man on the Moon. Yeah, 445 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 1: but it's not that one. It's like I'm pushing it 446 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 1: in a fan up the stairs. That's it. Yeah, that's it, 447 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 1: Good Savior and Encyclopedia. Yeah, it's I'm bending spoons, I'm 448 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 1: breaking through, I'm bending spoons. I'm keeping flowers in full 449 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 1: bloom beyond. There we go, There we go. Now, this 450 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 1: is just so satisfying to you know, when you have 451 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: something in the cusp of your mind like that. Yeah, 452 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 1: so that reminds me of are you. I don't want 453 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 1: to get two sidetrack, But people honestly have claimed that 454 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: they can use the same energy to read without their 455 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 1: eyes and too, you know, practice clairvoyance. They can also 456 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 1: accelerate healing, and they can make plants grow faster. Another 457 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 1: one that was really big was the ability to, under 458 00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 1: certain circumstances, break through physical arrears. So this is really cool. 459 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 1: It feels like something that could be tested pretty easily, 460 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 1: and it apparently was tested. The CIA has documents that 461 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 1: show how it was tested, or even screenshot. Well, if 462 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 1: they're not screenshots their photos of their at least rough 463 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 1: looking photos of thirty five millimeter canisters of film. Are 464 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 1: you guys, is anyone out there familiar with these? They're there, 465 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 1: They're usually gray or black their cylinders, and they've got 466 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 1: a top that goes on them, and then film would 467 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 1: go inside these things. And depending on what what age 468 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 1: you grew up in, what age of technology grew up in, 469 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 1: these were used to take film and take shots and 470 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 1: transport it or to like high drugs. Yes, that was 471 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 1: a huge thing, but the big the main thing was 472 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: to protect things because they're dark and the film wouldn't 473 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 1: get so any of They would put random things into 474 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 1: these thirty five millimeter canisters and then put them in 475 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 1: a box in a room that was separated from the 476 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 1: person they were testing, and they would have that person 477 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 1: use their abilities to pull objects out or put objects 478 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 1: into that canister that was separated. And apparently, according to 479 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 1: this it was shown over and over and over and 480 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 1: over to to work. They did it with some glass jars. Um, 481 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 1: I'm I'm looking at this thing from the CIA dot 482 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 1: gov website. That's literally where I am right now looking 483 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 1: at this, and there are tables here that are showing 484 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 1: how many times it got correct the dates of the 485 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 1: experiment in November. Um, I mean, it's crazy. It's crazy 486 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 1: because it shows that the it shows that the documentation 487 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 1: was taken seriously at high levels, you know, and the 488 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 1: spatial barrier thing it was, it's very specific. Okay, so 489 00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 1: the people are the people are moving relatively small objects 490 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 1: like the largest stuff would be maybe a film canister 491 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 1: again that we know of. But there's here's where we 492 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 1: start to see a divide, which may depend upon your 493 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 1: personal perspective. So you could argue that these experiments are 494 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 1: set up in this way because there's some kind of 495 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 1: easy cheat that's happening, you know what I mean, maybe 496 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 1: some way for an object to appear to be outside 497 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 1: of the thing when it's already in there in a 498 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 1: trick of perspective, or one of the people coming in 499 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 1: and saying, this is the only way I can do this, 500 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 1: not one of the persons that they're testing exactly. But 501 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 1: then on the other side, you could make the argument, 502 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 1: which pretty valid argument, that for something to be reproducible, 503 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,720 Speaker 1: for something to we have to be conducted with any 504 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 1: manner of rigor, it does have to be specific, and 505 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 1: everybody has to do it the same way. So everything 506 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 1: is the same except for the one effect we are 507 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 1: trying to find. So you can see why this would 508 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 1: already be something that people go back and forth about 509 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 1: and here's the big, big, big question. So we did 510 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 1: did it work? Did it actually? You know, is there 511 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 1: is there this cadre of children who are far far grown, 512 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 1: right older than us now? Is there is cadre of 513 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 1: I guess former child psychic stars who right now are 514 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 1: capable of doing things like this. Is there someone in 515 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:39,720 Speaker 1: the next studio sitting in a circle influencing our podcast? 516 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 1: Do you want me to go check? I don't know, 517 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 1: but they're certainly not doing us any favors. Guys, kid, 518 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 1: But no, I mean the journalist wasn't persuaded, right, I mean, 519 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 1: he and his whole team noted that until the experiments 520 00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 1: could actually be reproduced in the West, that it be 521 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 1: given a low evidential weight, which is a nice way 522 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 1: of saying, I want to be polite, but you know 523 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 1: there's no evidence for this. Well it was it's it's 524 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,799 Speaker 1: a bit of a call of of Shenanigans. Yeah, yeah, 525 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,439 Speaker 1: in a in a very polite way, it just said, 526 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 1: I'm not convinced. They went heat. The author went to 527 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,359 Speaker 1: China and saw several of these kids and said, all right, well, 528 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,879 Speaker 1: it seems like there are different opportunities where these kids 529 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 1: could cheat the system. You know what I mean. And 530 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 1: then also keep in mind these are these are kids. 531 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:36,719 Speaker 1: You know, how how long are you gonna expect uh, 532 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 1: six or seven year old to sit still and do 533 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,440 Speaker 1: the same weird thing over and over and over again 534 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:51,239 Speaker 1: and remain focused. I mean, it's it's tricky, you know. Now. 535 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 1: One thing we haven't mentioned that all this is eleven 536 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:59,880 Speaker 1: from stranger things and the experiments that she was subjected to. Uh, 537 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 1: that's what I picture. If you're dealing with a kid, 538 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:06,439 Speaker 1: kids through temper tantrums and eventually you poke them enough 539 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,239 Speaker 1: they're gonna throw a table at you with their mind. Yeah, 540 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:14,879 Speaker 1: who knows what happens. So I'm really interested in how 541 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:20,400 Speaker 1: much how much of these these psychic powers of these 542 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 1: kids are purported to have. How how does that match 543 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:28,359 Speaker 1: up with street art that that is was really big 544 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,919 Speaker 1: at the time, is still really big in places in China, 545 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 1: in places in the US where you're going to set um. 546 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:38,360 Speaker 1: Let's say you manipulate a newspaper that has some chemicals 547 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 1: wrapped up inside it, and then you put it on 548 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,840 Speaker 1: the ground and you use your g to set it 549 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,280 Speaker 1: on fire. Except what you're actually doing or combining chemicals 550 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,719 Speaker 1: that are in there what you're saying, you know, or 551 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:53,920 Speaker 1: um some parlor trick, right, or like mediums and spiritualists 552 00:35:54,120 --> 00:36:00,000 Speaker 1: in the UH eighteenth and nineteen centuries who would general 553 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:04,160 Speaker 1: right ectoplasm things like that. Right, Yeah, move a table. 554 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 1: I mean we're not saying, we're not saying all this 555 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,799 Speaker 1: is fake. We're saying that there are there are possibilities, 556 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,800 Speaker 1: there are ways that it could be faked unless it 557 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:17,680 Speaker 1: had really really methodical testing. Yeah, and it would. I 558 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 1: can imagine being a kid, especially and being excited to 559 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,279 Speaker 1: be a part of an experiment like that, even if 560 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:28,280 Speaker 1: even if I wasn't actually you know, showing off psychic powers. 561 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:32,040 Speaker 1: So the person wrote the article that brought this to 562 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:36,960 Speaker 1: the West wasn't persuaded, right, Members of the Chinese government 563 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 1: weren't always persuaded. People went back and forth and whether 564 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:46,920 Speaker 1: this was nonsense or not. But let's let's dive in 565 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:51,680 Speaker 1: to what Uncle Sam thought after a word from our sponsor, 566 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,840 Speaker 1: US government actually appeared to think all of this psychic 567 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:09,080 Speaker 1: children business was legit um. There are numerous documents under 568 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,400 Speaker 1: Freedom Information Act that you can obtain showing that Uncle 569 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:17,040 Speaker 1: Sam in fact had an eye on these programs and 570 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,680 Speaker 1: as far as they could tell the very minimum factions 571 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:24,440 Speaker 1: of the Chinese government and numerous scientists believe that this 572 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:28,799 Speaker 1: was a real and measurable phenomenon. So some examples here. Yeah, 573 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 1: so like even if their most skeptical they said, well, 574 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,920 Speaker 1: the other guys believed this. They were like, guys that 575 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:42,360 Speaker 1: Chinese government believes this. Do we need to get some kids? 576 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,439 Speaker 1: Do we need to grow some elevens just in case? 577 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 1: And yeah, specific examples as as you saidnal Uh. The 578 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:53,359 Speaker 1: CIA has reports on a fellow named Shong Bao Shing 579 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,320 Speaker 1: who was born in nineteen fifty eight, and he was 580 00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,840 Speaker 1: one of the most famous chigong grand masters during some 581 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,840 Speaker 1: thing called the chee Gong fever in China, and the 582 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,440 Speaker 1: chigun fever was a also known as the Cheegung boom, 583 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,760 Speaker 1: was a social phenomenon in China during the eighties and nineties. 584 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:16,200 Speaker 1: And that's where that's where practicing chigang became extraordinary popular, 585 00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,440 Speaker 1: extraordinarily popular. Like groups and groups of people, a lot 586 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:23,640 Speaker 1: of people would get together and practice in you know, 587 00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:28,320 Speaker 1: I guess uh in step with one another, right, and 588 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:34,560 Speaker 1: the popularity of this reached between like almost two hundred 589 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:40,560 Speaker 1: million and founded this this other subculture so this guy 590 00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:45,719 Speaker 1: was pretty famous already. People thought that he could check 591 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:50,320 Speaker 1: this out, read with his nose, see through people's bodies, 592 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,080 Speaker 1: and like Matt said earlier, place objects in closed containers 593 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:58,239 Speaker 1: without touching them, and you can read reports where in 594 00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:02,480 Speaker 1: the CIA is as skin? Is this like China's psychic Warrior? 595 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,560 Speaker 1: Are they have they taken these practices into adulthood? Is 596 00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:12,759 Speaker 1: it possible that certain techniques, certain cheegoing techniques, could give 597 00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:17,560 Speaker 1: almost anyone, any Joe Schmo these powers? What are they 598 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,520 Speaker 1: gonna do? I mean, reading with your eyes closed through 599 00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,359 Speaker 1: your nose. That doesn't sound I mean that's like how 600 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:28,480 Speaker 1: easy is it to peak? Right? But what strategic advantage 601 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,920 Speaker 1: does that offer? Right? Like, no one's gonna come in 602 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:36,480 Speaker 1: and say, uh, we need the American easy son, We 603 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,040 Speaker 1: need someone who can read with their But you know 604 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,880 Speaker 1: what I mean, which I know I keep harping on that. 605 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:47,040 Speaker 1: But the idea that you could sense information um without 606 00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:51,040 Speaker 1: your eyes that way is is fascinating clothes. Putting things 607 00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,040 Speaker 1: in close containers without touching them. That's a little different, right, 608 00:39:54,760 --> 00:40:00,160 Speaker 1: And Uh, while they sound like small subtle things, think 609 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,759 Speaker 1: about it. If you wanted a spy or an assassin 610 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:10,000 Speaker 1: that used telekinesis right. No weapons, no traceable um, no 611 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,160 Speaker 1: traceable thing to the target except like how close they 612 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:17,080 Speaker 1: had to be. You don't need somebody who throws a bus. 613 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,400 Speaker 1: You don't need somebody who collapses a school. You need 614 00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,560 Speaker 1: someone who has just enough force to close a windpipe, 615 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:28,759 Speaker 1: that's it. Or to stop a heartbeat, or even you know, 616 00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:33,000 Speaker 1: getting a small amount of poison into a closed container, 617 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:38,440 Speaker 1: like a closed soda or a close something like that. 618 00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,560 Speaker 1: It's in there now. I didn't even think about that. 619 00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,840 Speaker 1: That's a very good point. Um, it's maybe some Sam Pellegrino. 620 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:52,520 Speaker 1: I don't know. That's what no calls it the pelly. Uh. Then, 621 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,640 Speaker 1: on a lighter note, for an example of someone who 622 00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:59,360 Speaker 1: is pulling the Michael stipe and using their powers to 623 00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,759 Speaker 1: affect aunt's a study published in the American Journal of 624 00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,920 Speaker 1: Chinese Medicine and was also seen in the U. S 625 00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:10,520 Speaker 1: National Library of Medicine has A examines the case of 626 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:16,520 Speaker 1: someone named Chunlan's son who apparently is able to accelerate 627 00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:21,520 Speaker 1: the germination of seeds using your cheat. So she'll take 628 00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,439 Speaker 1: like a seed and then it will something that would 629 00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,840 Speaker 1: have taken you know, hours and hours just happens in 630 00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:31,040 Speaker 1: like twenty minutes. That's incredible. Well, it's you know, it's 631 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:36,279 Speaker 1: incredible if we I know, the stereotype of Americans is 632 00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,720 Speaker 1: we always want bigger and better stuff, right, isn't Dennis 633 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:41,760 Speaker 1: Leary the guy who said this is the only country 634 00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,400 Speaker 1: that would invent crack rock. You know, the people are 635 00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,360 Speaker 1: walking around going, you know, cocaine is great, but I 636 00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:50,000 Speaker 1: just I don't know, he's something a little more pep. 637 00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:54,719 Speaker 1: So like with that, I'll be the stereotypical American here. 638 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,360 Speaker 1: I would love to see, you know, an acorn or 639 00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,680 Speaker 1: something that turns into a tree. I'd like to see 640 00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,319 Speaker 1: someone touched one of those and then sprouted. True. We'll 641 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,680 Speaker 1: imagine if you could take Chinn's son and hook her 642 00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,279 Speaker 1: up to some kind of vertical farming operation where she 643 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:14,239 Speaker 1: channels her g throughout the entire system. WHOA, I think 644 00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:19,280 Speaker 1: we just made a really cool, uh sci fi idea. 645 00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,160 Speaker 1: I'm talking about saving humanity. Oh I was like feeding 646 00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,440 Speaker 1: everybody talk. I was talking about making a sci fi stuff. 647 00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:32,839 Speaker 1: I respect you. So we have we have to point 648 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,200 Speaker 1: out though that the C I it's not like the 649 00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,359 Speaker 1: CIA is right all the time. No one's right all 650 00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:42,600 Speaker 1: the time, they've they've made some missteps and for many 651 00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:46,520 Speaker 1: of the folks in our audience who are considering selves 652 00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:50,879 Speaker 1: a little more skeptical right than you might say. Well, 653 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:57,000 Speaker 1: the CIA also hired Uri Geller. Um Uri Geller, famous famous, 654 00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:04,000 Speaker 1: famous um mental list and U mentalist in person alleged 655 00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:10,160 Speaker 1: to have psychic powers, clairvoyance, the ability to bend spoons. Um. 656 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,320 Speaker 1: That's he's one of the most well known people for 657 00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,400 Speaker 1: this practice. He has also for a long time a 658 00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:24,759 Speaker 1: personal and bitter enemy of the arch arch skeptic James Randy. So, 659 00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:28,080 Speaker 1: you'y Geller actually convinced the CIA that he had extraordinary 660 00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:32,720 Speaker 1: abilities and in you know, this came out pretty recently, 661 00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:39,120 Speaker 1: uh in January, a set of declassified documents show that 662 00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:44,040 Speaker 1: after a week of experiments that conducted on Geller in 663 00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:48,800 Speaker 1: nine three as part of Stargate, UH, they thought, you 664 00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:53,719 Speaker 1: know what, there's something to this guy. Uh. They did 665 00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,360 Speaker 1: not ask him to stare down goats during this period, 666 00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,359 Speaker 1: but his handlers concluded this, I have the quotation and here, 667 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,040 Speaker 1: as a result of Geller's success in this experimental period, 668 00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:08,520 Speaker 1: we consider that he has demonstrated his paranormal perceptual ability 669 00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:14,120 Speaker 1: in a convincing and unambiguous manner. And of course now 670 00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:18,239 Speaker 1: the official stance of the US government is that that 671 00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:23,560 Speaker 1: stuff did not work. So now we are in the 672 00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:27,759 Speaker 1: modern age. What happened to all these Chinese programs when 673 00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:32,680 Speaker 1: your research continued and may continue in several universities and 674 00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,320 Speaker 1: factions of the government have gone back and forth on 675 00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,800 Speaker 1: whether or not these exercises should be considered nonsense, a 676 00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:43,080 Speaker 1: waste of money, or interesting research to conduct for researcher's sake. 677 00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,840 Speaker 1: We don't know too too much, you know, it's it 678 00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:51,759 Speaker 1: can be difficult to separate at times rumors. So we 679 00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:55,319 Speaker 1: looked at the stuff we know actually happened, as controversial 680 00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,040 Speaker 1: as it was. And I gotta ask you, guys, what 681 00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:01,200 Speaker 1: does this sound like? Does this sound like uh, a 682 00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,880 Speaker 1: real thing or does it sound like maybe an outbreak 683 00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,279 Speaker 1: of hysteria, a bunch of kids being excited to be 684 00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,840 Speaker 1: part of something bigger? To me, it sounds like the 685 00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:13,840 Speaker 1: mythology ancient ancient mythology in China. There were there are 686 00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,480 Speaker 1: numerous I mean, I can't give you a ton of examples, 687 00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:21,319 Speaker 1: but there's one named person named Kang gang Zy gung Zi. 688 00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,440 Speaker 1: I don't know how to say correctly, Ganji. Maybe he 689 00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:28,239 Speaker 1: was a mystic that could see, uh seeing here without 690 00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:32,520 Speaker 1: using his eyes or his ears. Um. And that's just 691 00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:36,839 Speaker 1: one example. There are a lot of examples of really 692 00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:42,439 Speaker 1: it's it's u parapsychological things that are occurring throughout their 693 00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,800 Speaker 1: history in like legend for yes, and we have to 694 00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:49,960 Speaker 1: remember the history of China dates back into legend. Yeah, 695 00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:53,480 Speaker 1: you know. And so I appreciate you saying that's a 696 00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:57,320 Speaker 1: good that's a good point. I I really like to 697 00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:03,680 Speaker 1: to think of it this way, that the idea of 698 00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:07,239 Speaker 1: people having psychic powers is presented in the movies. Is 699 00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:11,719 Speaker 1: it has it been conclusively proven? Nope, or at least 700 00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,719 Speaker 1: not so far as we know. But does that mean 701 00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:18,040 Speaker 1: it's impossible? Absolutely not. You know, it would be arrogant 702 00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:21,000 Speaker 1: to think that we know everything. Uh. There's a one 703 00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,400 Speaker 1: journalist who makes a great point where they say, you know, 704 00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:28,160 Speaker 1: we can't forget that as late as you know, the 705 00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,480 Speaker 1: eighteenth century, so people said there were no way meteorites 706 00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:35,839 Speaker 1: could come from space, right and uh, And that's that's 707 00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,120 Speaker 1: just the world we live. And we were constantly trying 708 00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:43,719 Speaker 1: to at least be a little bit less in the dark, 709 00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,279 Speaker 1: just a tiny bit and we don't always get it right. 710 00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,800 Speaker 1: But what do you think, Neil. You know, I certainly 711 00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:54,400 Speaker 1: don't believe it is beyond the realm of possibilities that 712 00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:59,520 Speaker 1: there are individuals with abilities like these. Um, as far 713 00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:03,800 Speaker 1: as government sanctioned harnessing of these abilities and sort of 714 00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:08,879 Speaker 1: rounding up of specimens individuals children specifically that exhibit these 715 00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,560 Speaker 1: kinds of powers. It it really does feel like something 716 00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:16,200 Speaker 1: out of at a graphic novel to me. Um. But 717 00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,959 Speaker 1: I know that, you know, there have been cases where 718 00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:23,320 Speaker 1: law enforcement agencies have employed psychics and you know, desperate 719 00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:28,080 Speaker 1: situations to use you know, remote viewing techniques to find 720 00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:31,200 Speaker 1: a body or you know, find a suspect that's on 721 00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,759 Speaker 1: the run or something like that. So you know, uh, 722 00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,160 Speaker 1: it's it's it's very hard to say. I am, as 723 00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,719 Speaker 1: as usual, a little skeptical, but I don't think it's 724 00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:45,600 Speaker 1: beyond the realm of possibility. Now, so we're all we're 725 00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:49,799 Speaker 1: all like cautiously optimistic that this could be this could 726 00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:53,480 Speaker 1: be something. There's that video. I'm trying to find the 727 00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,120 Speaker 1: video again. I was watching it yesterday. I was looking 728 00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:59,839 Speaker 1: at some of this stuff. It's it's a man who 729 00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:06,560 Speaker 1: was interviewed by British documentarians who allegedly could. He claimed 730 00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:10,560 Speaker 1: to be able to create an electrical current in his 731 00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:12,719 Speaker 1: body and in the lower part of his body, and 732 00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:17,680 Speaker 1: these documentarians, at least to their satisfaction, he was able 733 00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:20,920 Speaker 1: to demonstrate it. So they tested it. They tested in 734 00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,600 Speaker 1: multiple different multiple places. They did it while he was 735 00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:27,080 Speaker 1: almost completely naked. But at the same time, this same 736 00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:31,360 Speaker 1: guy showed off that he had piro he could do pyrachinesis, 737 00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:33,879 Speaker 1: and it was the same exact thing I was talking 738 00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:37,440 Speaker 1: about earlier, where it's mixing. I think he's mixing chemicals. 739 00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:41,040 Speaker 1: So yeah, But the fact of the matter is there 740 00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:47,200 Speaker 1: are extraordinary human abilities, right and you might be surprised, 741 00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,800 Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, what you find when you start digging 742 00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:58,839 Speaker 1: into the capabilities of certain practitioners of of metadative arts. 743 00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,960 Speaker 1: There's there's a lot more to it than just you know, 744 00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:05,320 Speaker 1: sitting and and humming. But we want to hear from you. 745 00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,440 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening. Let us know what 746 00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:12,880 Speaker 1: you think about, not not just this Chinese program and 747 00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,040 Speaker 1: this phenomenon, but let us know what you think about, 748 00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:20,279 Speaker 1: as Nol said, the interaction between governments and civilians when 749 00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:24,960 Speaker 1: they're seeking I guess like the outer limits would say 750 00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,600 Speaker 1: one step beyond. I might be quoting the wrong show. 751 00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:30,359 Speaker 1: It sounds good, but you know when the government gets 752 00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:35,680 Speaker 1: all Freman right, Uh, should should this research be pursued? 753 00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:39,200 Speaker 1: Is it a waste of money? Is there's something they 754 00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:42,200 Speaker 1: don't want you to know? So if you guys have 755 00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:45,640 Speaker 1: anything that you think they don't want you, or us 756 00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,040 Speaker 1: or anyone to know, hit hit us up on Facebook. 757 00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:52,080 Speaker 1: We are stuff they don't want you to know. On Facebook. 758 00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:55,880 Speaker 1: On Instagram we are Conspiracy Stuff Show. We're trying to 759 00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,600 Speaker 1: do a little bit more diligent work of keeping that 760 00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:01,839 Speaker 1: thing updated with some spooky picks here and there, um, 761 00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:05,480 Speaker 1: and we hope that you check it out. Also submit 762 00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:08,440 Speaker 1: pictures to us and maybe we'll screenshot and put them 763 00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:10,840 Speaker 1: up there. Oh that's a yeah, that's great. 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