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Speaker 4: Well, hello everyone, welcome back.
Speaker 5: You have me and Sophia today. Hi lays out of pocket.
Speaker 4: I think that's what that means, right out of pocket,
Speaker 4: I'm on my phone, out of the house.
Speaker 5: Is that what it used to mean?
Speaker 4: And now it just means I'm unavailable?
Speaker 3: Yeah, like you're Yeah, you're out out of pocket. It
Speaker 3: became I think, the sort of colloquialism for like out
Speaker 3: of ranger, out.
Speaker 4: Of office, right, But it didn't. It used to be
Speaker 4: like I'll be on my cell phone out of my pocket.
Speaker 4: My phone is in my pocket the office, I'll be out,
Speaker 4: But now it's something different, so I always get a
Speaker 4: little confused.
Speaker 3: But anyway, yeah, because now it's like you're actually unreachable.
Speaker 3: But no one's unreachable because we carry computers in our pockets,
Speaker 3: which is deeply stressful for all of us.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, let's talk about that. Okay, well, thanks, thanks
Speaker 4: everybody for joining us.
Speaker 5: So for do we have?
Speaker 4: What do we have today?
Speaker 5: Well, let me tell you joy.
Speaker 3: Today we have season six, Episode ten. Even fairy Tale
Speaker 3: characters would be jealous. This originally aired November tenth, two
Speaker 3: thousand and eight. Would you like me to tell you
Speaker 3: what the episode is about? Would you please tell me
Speaker 3: what the episode is about? Don Yes, yes, darlinge, I can,
Speaker 3: I can read the synops this foril. On the day
Speaker 3: of Peyton's USO concert, Haley battles stage fright, and Nathan
Speaker 3: is visited by an old friend, which makes him question
Speaker 3: a decision that could change his career. Brooke gets a
Speaker 3: call that threatens her relationship with Sam. Millicent confronts Marvin
Speaker 3: about his relationship with Gigi. Lucas tries to pull out
Speaker 3: of working with Julian after learning the news of Peyton
Speaker 3: and Julian's past. Angels and Airwaves makes a guest appearance,
Speaker 3: and this episode was directed by Sweetheart Janice.
Speaker 4: Cook Yes and written by Nikki Scheffelbain. We love both
Speaker 4: of them, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 4: First of all, Angels and airwaves was so great, and
Speaker 4: so it was really fun to see your face at
Speaker 4: the table when you're talking to Okay, So here's the thing.
Speaker 4: My daughter, who's thirteen, has a constant loop running in
Speaker 4: her mind that she never fails to remind me of,
Speaker 4: which is, Mom, you are not cool.
Speaker 5: Oh that's nice.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's great, great for the ego.
Speaker 4: So when you were sitting at that breakfast table looking
Speaker 4: at Sam and you said, are you so excited about
Speaker 4: angels and air rails, I don't know, that's it. You
Speaker 4: put your hands up, you made that face, and the
Speaker 4: way she looked at you was the way my daughter
Speaker 4: looks at me, reminding me that I'm not cool. Nevertheless,
Speaker 4: Angels and airwaves was really great.
Speaker 3: They were so great. It was also I just remember,
Speaker 3: I have such a sense memory. This is one of
Speaker 3: those episodes that I feel like in my bones, you know,
Speaker 3: I remember the way everything smelled, and like how windy
Speaker 3: it was. It was one of those nights when we
Speaker 3: were on the base where it was so warm but
Speaker 3: the wind was crazy, those like perfect nights you get
Speaker 3: in the South. But you know, I grew up in California,
Speaker 3: Like I was a hardcore blank one eighty two fan
Speaker 3: that was my era, and so Tom DeLong coming with
Speaker 3: his new band on our show.
Speaker 5: I was just like, oh my god.
Speaker 3: And he was the sweetest, just like such a genuinely
Speaker 3: kind man to all of us, to everyone on the base.
Speaker 3: I was really so impressed because he was like a
Speaker 3: larger than life, you know, famous figure to me when
Speaker 3: he showed up and he was just like great to everybody.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was cool.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the whole band was. Everybody was just super professional.
Speaker 4: And it's always I think it was always a little
Speaker 4: strange for bands coming in because it's a TV show
Speaker 4: and they did music videos and they did a lot
Speaker 4: of concerts, but they didn't do TV shows, and so
Speaker 4: this might have been a little easier for them than
Speaker 4: a trick kind of situation because it really was a
Speaker 4: full I mean, we really did a full concert for
Speaker 4: the entire base.
Speaker 5: It was Le June.
Speaker 3: Right in my head it was Jacksonville Air Force Base.
Speaker 3: But I'm like, oh, maybe we were just in Jacksonville
Speaker 3: on a different base. Like it all starts to mash together.
Speaker 4: They were like, did we go to a did we
Speaker 4: say it was the Marines, but we went somewhere else.
Speaker 3: I think so I'm not sure if it was an
Speaker 3: air Force base or an army base. But Derek, you know,
Speaker 3: the character Derek, Real Derek, was established as a marine,
Speaker 3: but I'm pretty sure I felt like it was a
Speaker 3: different base. Guys, I'm sorry this None of none of
Speaker 3: our muddy memories are like interesting to listen to us
Speaker 3: try to figure.
Speaker 5: Out at all. We're just like, what was it? Hold on?
Speaker 4: It was so long ago, quick read the phone book.
Speaker 3: But it was such a cool experience, and I remember
Speaker 3: how special it felt to go up there because Jacksonville's
Speaker 3: only forty five minutes from Wilmington, and it was the
Speaker 3: reason that you know, like on weekends if we went
Speaker 3: to shows at Level five or you know, out to
Speaker 3: the bars or whatever, there were always you know, people
Speaker 3: from the bases on their weekends off like partying in Wilmington,
Speaker 3: and so it was really cool to be able to
Speaker 3: go and do something personal for them. It was really
Speaker 3: really special, you know. I know Hillary mentioned last week,
Speaker 3: and obviously she's not here this week to talk about it,
Speaker 3: but her friend Scott had passed away and it really
Speaker 3: meant a lot to her to be able to do
Speaker 3: something with the USO. And so it was this thing
Speaker 3: where it felt like a way for us to give
Speaker 3: back to part of our local community, and it was
Speaker 3: so personal to her that I just remember even then
Speaker 3: knowing like this is really special.
Speaker 4: I had never been on a base before at all.
Speaker 4: Had you on a military base?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 3: No, my granddad was a Navy man, but you know
Speaker 3: that was obviously so long before I was born, So
Speaker 3: there's there's such like a deep respect for service.
Speaker 5: In my family. Yeah, me too.
Speaker 3: It really was getting to know folks at the USO
Speaker 3: thanks to Hill, that led me to eventually go on
Speaker 3: a USO tour and I visited a bunch of Air
Speaker 3: Force bases in Germany and Turkey Great which, Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: like always really fun when I when I'm around Air
Speaker 3: Force guys. Now we like trade stories and it's it's
Speaker 3: such a you know, it's such an incredible thing, I think,
Speaker 3: to devote your life to something like that. But it
Speaker 3: was neat that we got to do this like basically in.
Speaker 4: Our own backyard. Yeah, it was so close.
Speaker 3: And then the interesting thing of putting on a concert
Speaker 3: for everyone there, all the families on the base. It
Speaker 3: was also kind of a trip because to your point earlier,
Speaker 3: we had a TV show to shoot, so like we
Speaker 3: would do a take and then we'd have to do
Speaker 3: another one, and we were like, guys, bear with us.
Speaker 3: There's going to be like a bunch of weird repeated things.
Speaker 3: But then when the bands play, they will actually just play.
Speaker 5: That's right. They organized it very well that day.
Speaker 4: And I remember this because when we got there, we
Speaker 4: were filming all day long. We filmed all the scenes,
Speaker 4: all the backstage scenes, all all of this stuff that
Speaker 4: was happening, even that was supposed to be happening during
Speaker 4: the concert backstage. We shot all that ahead of time
Speaker 4: because we were only going to have the crowd for
Speaker 4: you know, certain a certain number of hours, and we
Speaker 4: didn't want to tell the crowd. The crowd wasn't part
Speaker 4: of our show.
Speaker 5: The crowd was. We were putting on a show for that, right, right.
Speaker 3: They weren't like normal extras who are used, who are like, yeah,
Speaker 3: we signed up for a sixteen hour day to day.
Speaker 4: It wasn't that yeah, yeah, especially since a lot of them,
Speaker 4: I mean most of them were military families and yeah,
Speaker 4: you know, we're not going to show up and go,
Speaker 4: you know, hey, please serve us more.
Speaker 5: Now we're here for you. So we did.
Speaker 4: We did get to shoot a lot of this stuff
Speaker 4: ahead of time, and then once the night started setting
Speaker 4: in and we really shot that concert, they had hurt.
Speaker 4: They been rehearsing with the cameras all day long. This
Speaker 4: is before drones were in action, so there were three
Speaker 4: or four giant, giant cranes with cameras attached to them.
Speaker 4: We brought in extra crew from Atlanta and possibly some
Speaker 4: guys down from New.
Speaker 5: York too, who were really.
Speaker 4: Adept at filming these big concert things that our directors
Speaker 4: just didn't have the experience with. And then Janis had
Speaker 4: the pleasure of practice, you know, rehearsing for that all
Speaker 4: week long, all prepping for that all month, and I
Speaker 4: was surprised it went really smoothly.
Speaker 5: I really I was.
Speaker 3: Really blown away. Yeah, it was a really cool thing
Speaker 3: to watch. And I think that was part of the
Speaker 3: luxury of being six years into our show. We had
Speaker 3: such a good rhythm and we functioned so well that
Speaker 3: they were able to take on this really big project
Speaker 3: and do this weird hybrid thing where it was a
Speaker 3: storyline for a show, but it was an actual event
Speaker 3: for the troops happening at the same time, and it
Speaker 3: was pretty wild.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was. It was nerve wracking. And also watching
Speaker 4: this was kind of cringey for me because it was
Speaker 4: I anytime I'm performing live is always a little cringey
Speaker 4: for me to watch back way. Why I just don't
Speaker 4: I'm too I just judgement. I'm too hard on myself.
Speaker 4: I'm too hard on myself in life anyway. So then
Speaker 4: to also have to watch my performances. I know there's
Speaker 4: some artists who really enjoy it, like they they they
Speaker 4: learned so much because they can glean what went wrong
Speaker 4: and what didn't. I haven't evolved to that state yet.
Speaker 4: I would like to working on it, but yeah, and
Speaker 4: it was weird. Is it's such a weird time in
Speaker 4: my life. And it just felt like, I mean a
Speaker 4: lot of the a lot of the band members were
Speaker 4: people that I was, you know, that I knew really
Speaker 4: well that I was like, you know, had relationships with
Speaker 4: outside of the show, but that weren't I wasn't in
Speaker 4: an actual band with. And it was just so strange.
Speaker 5: So it was hard.
Speaker 4: And that God, that red dress, I like it.
Speaker 3: It reminds me of the promo dress, the what that
Speaker 3: like red and white promo dress from earlier seasons when
Speaker 3: your hair was really blonde and curly and long like
Speaker 3: it gave me like flashbacks to earlier days of the show.
Speaker 4: I liked it, Thank you.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well yeah, anyway, the concert was fun. We had a
Speaker 4: good time. Also hilarious. Did you notice the scene where
Speaker 4: Peyton and Sam and Derek are yelling at each other.
Speaker 4: They're backstage and clearly somebody told them there's gonna be
Speaker 4: really loud music. Yeah, so you guys have to do
Speaker 4: all your things, yell over.
Speaker 3: The music, shout at each other, and no one is
Speaker 3: shouting in any other scene.
Speaker 5: No, but there also wasn't loud music.
Speaker 4: They walked off the stage to a section where there
Speaker 4: was no loud music, so it was just.
Speaker 5: People yelling at each other like community theater.
Speaker 3: It was so funny, it was so insane. That's one
Speaker 3: of those things that happens where you're really just trying
Speaker 3: your best to guess how things that you're filming on
Speaker 3: completely different days are gonna cut together. You have no
Speaker 3: idea what it's going to be, and in the in
Speaker 3: the sound mix, you're like, oh, it was really a shame.
Speaker 3: They didn't do any takes where they weren't all screaming
Speaker 3: over a concert that we've decided doesn't exist, is basically
Speaker 3: going to dim down to like background elevator music behind
Speaker 3: every scene.
Speaker 5: What are you going to do with that matting?
Speaker 3: That call from the adoption agency so bad?
Speaker 4: It is so bad?
Speaker 3: Okay, where do we go? Because obviously shooting the concert
Speaker 3: was wild. We've got a lot of technicalities, you know,
Speaker 3: that were first for us. Despite the fact that we'd
Speaker 3: shot so much music and trick, this was you know,
Speaker 3: a big undertaking and a big episode for all of
Speaker 3: these characters emotionally in their relationship. I loved when Lucas
Speaker 3: comes to tell Haley and Nathan about the Peyton and
Speaker 3: Julian history and you're like, oh, I just love when
Speaker 3: the drama's not about us, Like it was actually so funny.
Speaker 3: I felt it as an audience member. I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: they're having such a nice time encouraging each other to
Speaker 3: like pursue their dreams, and everyone else is having a
Speaker 3: nightmare of a situation.
Speaker 4: Yeah, low, low drama, Low drama, Haley, this is the
Speaker 4: season of low drama, Haley.
Speaker 5: It's so nice.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was funny. I really enjoyed the Lucas Let's
Speaker 4: start there. I'm like, I really enjoyed the lucas of
Speaker 4: it all because that was, first of all, I so
Speaker 4: deeply relate to Peyton saying stop saying okay okay. It
Speaker 4: was a fun gag, but it was so funny. That
Speaker 4: is one of my biggest pet peeves in a relationship
Speaker 4: when I communicate something and then the other person goes okay.
Speaker 5: I'm like, okay, okay, what okay? Okay? You have thoughts?
Speaker 4: Okay, I want to fight, so you're just saying okay
Speaker 4: to make it go away. Okay, you can't stand me
Speaker 4: and you don't want to listen to me anymore. Okay,
Speaker 4: you're gonna do it and you have no problem? Like
Speaker 4: what does that mean?
Speaker 5: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: The way I feel about it is, I'm like, I
Speaker 3: just poured my whole heart and soul out to you
Speaker 3: and gave you minutes of details of my innermost vulnerabilities,
Speaker 3: and the feedback is okay, hello. Like, if I've learned
Speaker 3: anything that is funny on camera in real life, probably
Speaker 3: very indicative that you're not actually a match.
Speaker 4: Hard to swallow in real life, although that is such
Speaker 4: an adhd thing to pour out every possible detail that
Speaker 4: you could ever give oh yeah, And then also on
Speaker 4: the other end, if someone is pouring all that out
Speaker 4: at me, often I get overwhelmed and so my response
Speaker 4: might be okay. But anyway, it was a fun gag,
Speaker 4: and I liked Lucas punching him at the door and
Speaker 4: then say okay, that's good, nice follow through.
Speaker 3: I really liked the turn as well, that he was
Speaker 3: just so even keel with Peyton that it freaked her out.
Speaker 3: And then he punches Julian. It's like, oh, there it is.
Speaker 3: There's the response that she's looking for, and I actually
Speaker 3: love that. As their storyline ran through the episode, in
Speaker 3: the end, she admits that she likes that he got jealous.
Speaker 4: Yes, you know, Julian is more dastardly than I expected
Speaker 4: him to be. I don't remember a lot of his
Speaker 4: storyline because we were in season six by now. We
Speaker 4: were at the point where a lot of us Aka
Speaker 4: and me were reading scripts and kind of going my line,
Speaker 4: my line, next page, next page, next page, my line.
Speaker 4: You know, you just glean what's yours. I was pulling
Speaker 4: the Antoine move because I wanted to be surprised by
Speaker 4: what was going to happen in the episode.
Speaker 5: Surprise. I didn't watch the episode, so I.
Speaker 4: Never knew a lot of what was going on, and
Speaker 4: I had no idea Julian was so dastardly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well that was I thought so funny last week
Speaker 3: when we had As on him saying that he didn't
Speaker 3: remember Julian being such a bad guy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I it's funny. I do.
Speaker 3: I remembered it really clearly because we'd known each other
Speaker 3: for so long, and I was like, why are they
Speaker 3: making this like sweet human be a bad dude on
Speaker 3: our show? This is so weird and it was really interesting,
Speaker 3: you know, to see the way that they had his
Speaker 3: character turn over the years.
Speaker 5: But I think that the.
Speaker 3: That dastardly energy, as you put it, works because it
Speaker 3: you just don't know what you're going to get from
Speaker 3: this guy. And remembering what it was like to watch
Speaker 3: these episodes before we knew where Julian was going to go,
Speaker 3: it's nice to be suspicious of someone in the Peyton
Speaker 3: and Lucas world. And it does give me something to
Speaker 3: do as Brook, like when I really sit down with him,
Speaker 3: to lay down a bound. And I love that both
Speaker 3: Brooke and Milica were just like throwing the gods down
Speaker 3: with these people. But I like that Brooke was able
Speaker 3: to Yeah. I like that I was able to use
Speaker 3: my own experience as a character to be like, yeah,
Speaker 3: you've read the book, so you know, being in this
Speaker 3: love triangles not a vibe enough, Like enough.
Speaker 4: Brooke was really handling this episode. She's not fire left
Speaker 4: and right, giving advice at every turn, every corner, with
Speaker 4: Lucas explaining to him why he was being irrational.
Speaker 3: Oh, I mean, what a thing for him to be
Speaker 3: so jealous, and it's like, bro you almost married someone else.
Speaker 3: And I love when she's like, you tried to hook
Speaker 3: up with me when Peyton broke up with you. I'm
Speaker 3: ever gonna tell her, but you're an idiot, you know.
Speaker 3: And I do love the way that she is in
Speaker 3: this era, like Haley's in her no drama era, and
Speaker 3: Brooke is really in her sassy mom era. Mom Like
Speaker 3: she's momming everyone. She's momming Lucas, and she's momming Julian
Speaker 3: and she's momming Sam And it's just like I love
Speaker 3: that energy for her of being like you all are
Speaker 3: being ridiculous, even with Millicent.
Speaker 4: Oh that I was crying, cry, ying at that scene.
Speaker 4: We're only eighteen minutes into this podcast. I can't even okay.
Speaker 5: This, there's been drama of it.
Speaker 3: And she's like, but wait, so she was in your bed.
Speaker 3: He was on the couch, Sophia, I rewound it three times.
Speaker 3: You're doing it so funny.
Speaker 4: And at one point I was like, should I type
Speaker 4: this out so we can just read these lines to
Speaker 4: each other in this podcast, because.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, we should be so brilliant that she
Speaker 5: comes in.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, guys, we're bouncing all over the place, but
Speaker 4: this is really funny. Millie comes into the apartment and
Speaker 4: she's like, there was a girl in my bed, and
Speaker 4: Brook says, are you coming out?
Speaker 5: Are you coming out? I'm happy, Okay, great.
Speaker 3: Millie's like, no, no, no, you know something about Gigi
Speaker 3: and Marvin had to sleep over and she and then
Speaker 3: my response is only you guys?
Speaker 5: That the three way? Like how amazing?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 5: And then and then no, it was just the two
Speaker 5: of that. It was just her.
Speaker 4: Okay, so she was with mouth. No, mouth is on
Speaker 4: the couch, so what's the problem.
Speaker 5: So he was a normous, good guy.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know why she was there, but
Speaker 3: clearly he was being like a good dude.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then to.
Speaker 3: Learn the thing that made me do a spit take
Speaker 3: was when it hits you know, when when what Milicent
Speaker 3: is saying to Brook like hits me and we go
Speaker 3: into like, wait a second, you're saying you're a virgin?
Speaker 3: What is that? Okay, but there's other you guys have,
Speaker 3: like other relationships things, and she goes to Jay's h
Speaker 3: or b no and just every single thing to come
Speaker 3: out of Lisa. She was so stone cold. No no,
Speaker 3: not that no, no, I was sobbing. Yeah, Like I
Speaker 3: want to go back and just do more of these scenes.
Speaker 3: Hilarious for the giggle.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we needed a lot, We needed a lot more
Speaker 4: of that. I hope we get more of that to come. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but it was super satisfying your even your face, the
Speaker 4: way that you were processing. Okay, it's like finding a unicorn,
Speaker 4: finding a virgin who's living with her boyfriend and sleeping
Speaker 4: in the same bed and you're not having sex. What
Speaker 4: But the look on your face was so fascinate. You
Speaker 4: were so fascinated.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well so.
Speaker 3: And something that I remember being really important and Lisa
Speaker 3: and I had so much fun building the comedy between
Speaker 3: Brooke and Millicent in our scenes, and it felt really
Speaker 3: important to us, particularly because a lot of the women
Speaker 3: on the show got poked.
Speaker 5: About yeah sex, Yeah.
Speaker 3: In weird ways. With what we had to do with
Speaker 3: our characters. It felt really important to have it be
Speaker 3: funny and not shameful.
Speaker 5: Yeah. No, there was no judgment at all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, to not have her be embarrassed and to not
Speaker 3: have me judge her, to have it be genuine fascination
Speaker 3: of like, I don't know anyone in this position.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Brooks on the opposite end of the spectrum, She's
Speaker 4: been so just free, you know, free with what she
Speaker 4: wanted to do with herself, with her body, with her
Speaker 4: partners since she was in high school. So to encounter
Speaker 4: a grown woman who was not doing those things doing
Speaker 4: she actually was doing what she wanted with her body
Speaker 4: and her partners, but in a different way. It's just
Speaker 4: so so opposite. It's really fun.
Speaker 5: I loved it.
Speaker 3: I really really loved it.
Speaker 4: Oh I'm still crying from it.
Speaker 3: I I also there was something about the sort of
Speaker 3: revolving door in this episode at brooks house, and then
Speaker 3: in the way that she had to sort of do
Speaker 3: the same thing and run around in a circle backstage
Speaker 3: at the concert, like everyone was just spinning through the
Speaker 3: advice chair with her, and I loved it.
Speaker 4: I wish you would have just sat down with a
Speaker 4: little a little poster next to you free advice.
Speaker 5: Yea, yeah, Brooks, really she is.
Speaker 4: She's momming everyone and she said to mom herself for
Speaker 4: so long. It feels like a really good well And
Speaker 4: I don't know if this is actually well thought out
Speaker 4: or if it just happened this way, probably because you
Speaker 4: were shepherding her character so well. But to see Brooke
Speaker 4: go through that arc of starting out as just a
Speaker 4: reckless teenager and then going through all the process of
Speaker 4: trying to reunite and connect with her mother and then
Speaker 4: realizing that was never going to happen, and now she's
Speaker 4: going to have to mother herself, and now she's figured
Speaker 4: out how to do that and she's ready to mother
Speaker 4: other people. I mean, it's a really brilliant slow burn arc.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: And it is interesting because it leaned into something that
Speaker 3: I very naturally do, Like I am often the person
Speaker 3: who my friends come to for the advice for the
Speaker 3: thing I want to I am very solutions oriented. I
Speaker 3: like to help, Like acts of service are my big
Speaker 3: love language, and it's funny to watch that get put
Speaker 3: into this character that I loved playing so much, with
Speaker 3: so much comedy.
Speaker 5: I just really enjoy it.
Speaker 3: And even to go from you know, her figuring all
Speaker 3: of this stuff out with Millicent, to then Lucas coming
Speaker 3: to her to be like, you know and finding out
Speaker 3: like you knew about Julian and she's like, I was
Speaker 3: the practice dummy, you know, like we're not doing this,
Speaker 3: And I love that while she sort of sasses him
Speaker 3: to like get him back on track and make him
Speaker 3: realize that this double standard is utterly ridiculous, that she also,
Speaker 3: like in her sassy way, gives him some really good
Speaker 3: advice and hopefully a way to feel less threatened with
Speaker 3: that whole story about what it means to rebound and
Speaker 3: to say, like, you always fall in love with your rebound,
Speaker 3: but it isn't real.
Speaker 5: Your brain's playing a trick on you. Yeah, how does
Speaker 5: he not know that?
Speaker 1: Though?
Speaker 3: And I was like, ooh, that it feels like something
Speaker 3: we should talk about on the podcast.
Speaker 4: Yes, falling in love with the rebound. It really is
Speaker 4: such a cliche, but it's true.
Speaker 3: Aren't cliches cliches because they're so universally true.
Speaker 4: Of course they are, and that's why there's nothing wrong
Speaker 4: with them, because it's just a pattern of human behavior.
Speaker 4: It means you're not alone. It means you're normal. You're
Speaker 4: just trying to figure out life like everybody else, and
Speaker 4: we all make mistakes, and there's no way to not
Speaker 4: make a mistake.
Speaker 5: There's just no way.
Speaker 3: But it makes me giggle thinking back. I mean, on
Speaker 3: all of our last two decades, I'm like, wow, we've
Speaker 3: really all looked at each other and been like no,
Speaker 3: but it's not a rebound. I really I'm so happy
Speaker 3: and you're like, okay, I'll be here either way.
Speaker 5: Man. I know.
Speaker 4: I think back on my first relationship after my divorce
Speaker 4: and the just the things that I said to people
Speaker 4: that how sure I was, you know, the manifesto, what
Speaker 4: it was written about, how this is just like the
Speaker 4: real thing forever and ever, and oh my gosh. Now
Speaker 4: looking back, it's the cliche after cliche, and you can
Speaker 4: see all the glaring problems and you can also see
Speaker 4: all the lovely, patient people around me who were just like.
Speaker 3: We okay, okay.
Speaker 5: Exactly okay.
Speaker 3: I also think, though, it's like, come on, we we
Speaker 3: had such a wild time. Not dissimilarly to our characters,
Speaker 3: we got catapulted into very grown up life very young,
Speaker 3: the normal sort of early twenties like growing pains and
Speaker 3: stumbling things that all of our friends got to do.
Speaker 3: We had to sort of leap frog over. Yeah, And
Speaker 3: I think in a lot of ways, I mean, I
Speaker 3: know we've talked about this, but I think in a
Speaker 3: lot of ways, we all sort of went through the
Speaker 3: normal early twenties stuff in our early thirties, like once
Speaker 3: we finally got out of our set because we were
Speaker 3: sort of Groundhog's Day. And it's not lost on me
Speaker 3: that I'm like, oh man, well of course you were
Speaker 3: so there at that age, because like in a way
Speaker 3: you were also like mentally twenty five. Yes, and no
Speaker 3: shade to twenty five year olds, You're wonderful. We were
Speaker 3: fun then too, but you know, learn, you learn a lot,
Speaker 3: and now, like from this vantage point us being in
Speaker 3: our forties, I look back and I'm just like, oh man,
Speaker 3: you know what I respect about us? We really when
Speaker 3: we say something, we commit.
Speaker 4: One hundred percent. Yep, also admitted go for it. I
Speaker 4: think that's so true that we just evolve, like every
Speaker 4: stage of life has to be had. It just doesn't
Speaker 4: always happen in the traditional order. I definitely lived out
Speaker 4: my twenties and my thirties, and I definitely have even
Speaker 4: found and maybe this is something that happens to a
Speaker 4: lot of women in their forties, but I found that
Speaker 4: I'm going back to my middle schoolish, elementary, middle schoolish
Speaker 4: years and sort of hashing out some of those things
Speaker 4: and re rehaving moments. You know, you know, you're raised
Speaker 4: with ideas about who you are, and we receive messages
Speaker 4: from whoever, parents, siblings, friends, the environment, and we just
Speaker 4: take it in. We don't necessarily tell anybody that we've
Speaker 4: decided this is information that is true about us, and
Speaker 4: then we just carry it, and we carry that for
Speaker 4: the next twenty thirty years until suddenly we go, wait
Speaker 4: a second, why do I believe this about myself?
Speaker 5: We're just saying it. Why do I believe this about
Speaker 5: other people?
Speaker 4: We have to go back and start unpacking all those things.
Speaker 4: And it's funny to go back and go through a
Speaker 4: stage that wasn't had properly because of whatever circumstances were
Speaker 4: in life. And I think we just do that. We
Speaker 4: were constantly cycling through all the phases, but not necessarily
Speaker 4: in order.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, I think it's also why you hear so many
Speaker 3: people talk about how free they feel when they turn forty,
Speaker 3: because you start to realize what you're carrying that you
Speaker 3: didn't decide to pick up.
Speaker 5: Like, the biggest shift.
Speaker 3: For me in the last year is to realize I've
Speaker 3: been walking around with my arms full of stuff people
Speaker 3: have handed to me and said this is who you are,
Speaker 3: and this is what you should be doing, and this
Speaker 3: is what you owe people, and this is what and
Speaker 3: it's like, okay, okay, okay, yeah, I got it, I
Speaker 3: got it. I can handle all of this.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then you look around one day and you go,
Speaker 3: but what do I want to carry? What do I
Speaker 3: want to do? How do I want to serve? What
Speaker 3: do I want to choose? Instead of accepting what's chosen
Speaker 3: for me, what do I want to choose for myself?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Why am I holding all this stuff? It's not mine?
Speaker 3: Yeah, It's like it's a wild and beautiful part of evolving.
Speaker 3: And all of the women in my life are like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: you're hitting that moment, And like all my friends in
Speaker 3: their fifties are like, ooh, this is when it gets good,
Speaker 3: and then they have all this advice about the next
Speaker 3: ten years and I'm like, I don't know, I love it.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 4: There is a not giving a shit in a really
Speaker 4: good way that feels it feels freeing. It's not callous
Speaker 4: or hard. I think that's what actually feels freeing about
Speaker 4: it is the freedom to you know, we've talked about
Speaker 4: lovingly detached frequently, but the feeling of like I don't
Speaker 4: have to close my heart off, which is kind of
Speaker 4: what I always thought I had to do in twenties
Speaker 4: and thirties, like if I'm gonna, if I'm gonna, I
Speaker 4: don't know, set a boundary, set something down, like not
Speaker 4: hold something it doesn't I used to just the only
Speaker 4: way I knew how to do it was to just
Speaker 4: put up a wall. And now it's like, I feel
Speaker 4: like I've got the freedom to be able to still
Speaker 4: have a soft heart and not have a wall, but
Speaker 4: also be okay with not holding the thing that's not mine.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not perfect at it, but I'm learning.
Speaker 4: And I think that's a thing in your forties that yeah,
Speaker 4: oh thank god.
Speaker 3: I think I think a softening is part of growing
Speaker 3: up for sure, and I think it's also it's part
Speaker 3: of why I appreciate some of what feels like ridiculous
Speaker 3: and funny on our show, because these characters are so young,
Speaker 3: so very often they're really like serious about things. I'm like,
Speaker 3: Brooke especially is you know, she's so intense, like you know,
Speaker 3: in the way that Austin was talking about watching some
Speaker 3: of these scenes and being like, what was I doing?
Speaker 3: Why did I seem like such a creep? As Julian
Speaker 3: I'm watching myself in this episode and I'm loving so.
Speaker 5: Much of it.
Speaker 3: I love the dialogue, I love the energy. And then
Speaker 3: I'm telling Sam she's going to be safe with me
Speaker 3: and I'm never going to kick her out of the house.
Speaker 3: And I was like, what was I doing? Why was
Speaker 3: I communicating with her? Like it was so serious? I
Speaker 3: was like, that is not how I would have said
Speaker 3: that now. None of those words would I have chosen
Speaker 3: to do in that way as the actor I am today?
Speaker 5: What would you have done differently? I don't know.
Speaker 3: I think at like twenty five, I was like, I
Speaker 3: don't know how to talk to a teenager about how
Speaker 3: they get to live with me, Like, I, what does
Speaker 3: that mean? And you know, I was so like no,
Speaker 3: And I don't know, I was like grimacing at her,
Speaker 3: maybe because it felt so serious, but I was like,
Speaker 3: oh man, I would now I would be like, come
Speaker 3: with me to a quiet spot and like look at
Speaker 3: me and tell me what you're afraid of, and let
Speaker 3: me tell you I'm here like I It would.
Speaker 5: Just be so different.
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, man, look at me as
Speaker 3: a little kid trying to pretend like I knew what
Speaker 3: grown ups.
Speaker 5: Did, right, isn't this how we do it? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Like like silly relationship advice among all of us tracked
Speaker 3: for me. Oh yeah, but like you are my child
Speaker 3: and you will live with me and you will never
Speaker 3: be kicked out on the street.
Speaker 4: I'm like, because Victoria never did that for her. Victoria
Speaker 4: was always so ambiguous and so noncommittal that, of course
Speaker 4: she went, we always do the opposite of whatever our
Speaker 4: mothers do, and then we turn out to be our
Speaker 4: mothers of course somehow, But of course she's doing exactly
Speaker 4: the opposite of what she received from Victoria. I actually
Speaker 4: think that scene really worked because I think Sam's character
Speaker 4: needed that she needed somebody.
Speaker 5: To fight for her.
Speaker 4: She sat across the table from so many social workers
Speaker 4: and therapists and probably a lot of foster parents who
Speaker 4: were you know, gentle and soft, and it didn't match her.
Speaker 4: She has a bubbling swamp of complication and anger and
Speaker 4: frustration and all of these things inside of her that
Speaker 4: to be met with someone that sees that and can
Speaker 4: combat it, and not just combat it, but hold space
Speaker 4: for it and even overpower it. That felt. Really.
Speaker 5: I think that's why she was crying. The look on
Speaker 5: her face.
Speaker 4: My god, she's such a good actress, and I know
Speaker 4: she's such a CUTEI Okay, fine, maybe I don't dislike
Speaker 4: it as much as I thought I did, but I
Speaker 4: would we would handle it differently now, for Yeah, for sure,
Speaker 4: that's why she needed the Brook though.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting to me that in the way that
Speaker 3: Brooke is being so firm with so many people I love,
Speaker 3: you know, especially like she's really firm with Sam lovingly,
Speaker 3: and then she lays down the law with Lucas and
Speaker 3: lays down the law with Julian, and like, is really
Speaker 3: doing all these things. I loved seeing Millie mirror that,
Speaker 3: because Milly and Brooke have been there for each other
Speaker 3: so much in this you know, business evolution of our
Speaker 3: of our show and close over Rose being what it is,
Speaker 3: and to see her go and then lay down the
Speaker 3: law with Gig, I.
Speaker 5: Was like, yes, Millie go, Yes, Yes, I loved it.
Speaker 4: That was a really interesting storyline.
Speaker 5: I have to say.
Speaker 4: I was looking forward to them coming back to see
Speaker 4: what was going to happen. I man, the Gigi thing
Speaker 4: is it bothers me a lot?
Speaker 5: Me too.
Speaker 4: As I said before, it doesn't read like a young
Speaker 4: woman in charge of her sexuality and who knows who
Speaker 4: she is and knows what she wants. It reads trauma
Speaker 4: to me, and.
Speaker 3: Well, and what it is is a grown man writing
Speaker 3: his fantasies for how women would approach him. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: essentially breadcrumbing that, like, well, what's a guy to do
Speaker 3: in these hot girls in short skirts? Just keep hitting
Speaker 3: on him. It's the same thing that they did with
Speaker 3: Uncle Cooper with the Rachel storyline years ago. Oh that's right,
Speaker 3: but she's she's in her cheerleading uniform and she's taking
Speaker 3: off her clothes and yeah, she's only seventeen, But what's
Speaker 3: he to do? It's like, it's so.
Speaker 4: For me, this is so the like it still reeks
Speaker 4: of that nineties purity culture that I particularly grew up
Speaker 4: in in the evandelical church of like, but you know,
Speaker 4: men are just like, Well, we get two messages. The
Speaker 4: first is the men are the most important and most powerful,
Speaker 4: but the second is men are weak and they just
Speaker 4: can't handle.
Speaker 3: What are they to do if you're wearing a tank
Speaker 3: top around them?
Speaker 5: Oh? No, God, the bit spaghetti straps.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the amount of times I got dress coded.
Speaker 5: But like, it's just so, it's so.
Speaker 4: Wrong. Offensive, all of the above, oppressive, all of the above,
Speaker 4: And so I felt like that's what I was watching,
Speaker 4: more of of that. Oh yeah, we're all just sirens. Wait,
Speaker 4: got god forbid? A shoulder happens to be seen or
Speaker 4: an ankle.
Speaker 5: And what it.
Speaker 3: Also does is like Gigi's entire job here is to
Speaker 3: be inappropriate and throw herself at this man. She has
Speaker 3: no input on work, no thoughts about.
Speaker 4: I wrote this in my notes. I wish we knew
Speaker 4: she was amazing at her job. Yeah, you know, just
Speaker 4: because it felt like that would give me some context
Speaker 4: for why she's still around. Yeah, because otherwise it really
Speaker 4: makes mouth look like genuinely weak, because why is he
Speaker 4: not just being like, go go home, I don't want
Speaker 4: you working for me. I don't want you in my life.
Speaker 4: I don't want you in my relationship. This is inappropriate.
Speaker 4: I'm calling hr go. But if she was exceptional at
Speaker 4: her job, now we have some complication and some drama,
Speaker 4: like I can't fire her, she's you know, she's the
Speaker 4: best out there, or she's like, I don't know, I
Speaker 4: ran out of things to say.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if she had the same sort of sports knowledge
Speaker 3: that Mouth does. Remember when he has his save the
Speaker 3: Day scene episodes ago, where you know, the announcer fails
Speaker 3: and so he's like, this is what happened, and you know,
Speaker 3: he becomes this incredible sports guy. If if Gigi knew
Speaker 3: more about sports than Mouth and was like a badass
Speaker 3: camera woman and together, it's like, let's pull the footage
Speaker 3: from the you know, nineteen ninety nine state championship and
Speaker 3: that you would love their working dynamic. And then if
Speaker 3: she said something inappropriate to him or whatever, it would
Speaker 3: it would slide in between their greater relationship in their
Speaker 3: work and it would actually be human and interesting. Yes exactly,
Speaker 3: But you know, I mean, what a credit to Kelsey
Speaker 3: because she's she's been given essentially one thing to say
Speaker 3: over and over and over again for months and she
Speaker 3: is so bubbly and dynamic and funny that she's still
Speaker 3: so enjoyable to watch. She is like, I hate this
Speaker 3: character now, yeah, I hate what they made her do,
Speaker 3: but I love watching her and I love her presence.
Speaker 3: And it was so nice to see her have a
Speaker 3: more human moment at the end of the episode and
Speaker 3: apologize and say I'm really not I don't want to
Speaker 3: get in the middle of your relationship. I'll try to
Speaker 3: be better. I was like, oh, I just want to
Speaker 3: see more of Kelsey growing and acting, like I want
Speaker 3: to just watch her.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we got to get her on the show. Yeah, guys,
Speaker 4: we have talked with her a little bit back and forth.
Speaker 4: She's always flying off to this and that.
Speaker 3: Well she's so busy shooting.
Speaker 4: I know she's so busy, but we're going to get
Speaker 4: her on because I do have a lot of questions
Speaker 4: for her about she was so young when she joined
Speaker 4: the show, and then even coming on a few years later,
Speaker 4: it was still I mean, was she probably nineteen or
Speaker 4: twenty there in today's episode, Yeah, I mean if that, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: I wonder what her thoughts were on that and her
Speaker 4: parents and if she had these discussions with her parents,
Speaker 4: or does she just like show up and say all
Speaker 4: these lines and wake up in boys' beds and be like.
Speaker 5: Okay, mom, be like sure.
Speaker 4: You know she was just so sweet and probably and
Speaker 4: you know who else we had back was Quentin.
Speaker 3: I was so happy to see Robbie.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Also, I really appreciate the way he and James played
Speaker 3: those scenes because they could have felt so weird, and
Speaker 3: and the way when Quentin pops up in front of Nathan,
Speaker 3: James does the startle thing. Yeah, and like they just
Speaker 3: they put just enough humor in it that it made
Speaker 3: it work instead of having it be the weirdest thing
Speaker 3: that could happen, you know, but they didn't take themselves
Speaker 3: too seriously to just the perfect, like little dial up
Speaker 3: of humor.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I wasn't quite sure where they landed with all
Speaker 4: of the with their conversation though, were you, Because it
Speaker 4: seemed like he was saying, no, it's good, I don't
Speaker 4: need to play slamball. I'm good. I like my family.
Speaker 4: Then Quenton was like, yeah, no, but you have more
Speaker 4: to offer them if you're following your dream And then
Speaker 4: Nathan says, hey to Haley, let's always follow our dreams. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but maybe he's still staying home.
Speaker 5: I don't know. I was confused. It felt to me.
Speaker 3: Like Quentin was pushing him to be his biggest self,
Speaker 3: you know, as you said, I thought it was really
Speaker 3: sweet that with Derek you spoke about your family being
Speaker 3: so central, and then with Quentin, Nathan spoke about his
Speaker 3: family being so central.
Speaker 5: But when he says, then you.
Speaker 3: Owe it to them to be the best version of yourself,
Speaker 3: and then you come home, and I felt like Nathan
Speaker 3: was beginning to travel down the road of you should
Speaker 3: be doing your music and I should be I should
Speaker 3: be chasing my dreams too. And we know it's not
Speaker 3: going to be Slamball because they just won the championship.
Speaker 3: But what will that mean? Will he try to play basketball?
Speaker 3: Will he try to be a coach? I mean, obviously
Speaker 3: we know where the show goes.
Speaker 4: Well, he couldn't go back and play Slamball in the
Speaker 4: next season.
Speaker 3: I don't actually know what happens immediately, but I just
Speaker 3: know where we'd wind up. And I'm like, well, he'll.
Speaker 5: Chase his dream too.
Speaker 3: But it is interesting to me that it feels like
Speaker 3: he's beginning to bread crum a conversation based on this,
Speaker 3: you know, experience he's had, you know, with this imagined
Speaker 3: or whatever conversation he's had to.
Speaker 4: Love the Quinton walking through the wall, the good old
Speaker 4: Highway to Heaven and walking on that was really funny. Great, Yeah,
Speaker 4: that is it's a he's starting the conversation. That's a
Speaker 4: very real thing. I don't know how well I can
Speaker 4: relate to it because I raised my daughter on my own,
Speaker 4: and I was working and raising her at the same time,
Speaker 4: and that was you know, really my only option was
Speaker 4: to work and also have help and be home with her.
Speaker 4: But there are a lot of people who who let
Speaker 4: go of dreams for the sake of, yeah, staying home
Speaker 4: with her family, because that becomes a bigger dream, or
Speaker 4: maybe it always has been, or maybe it's out of necessity.
Speaker 4: You know, not everybody gets the privilege of following their
Speaker 4: dreams the way that they want to.
Speaker 3: Well, and I think there is a practical reality that
Speaker 3: there is always a trade.
Speaker 4: Off, right, like, yeah, to everything you say yes to,
Speaker 4: you're saying no to something else.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: And you know, obviously it didn't land where I thought
Speaker 3: it would, but like I took a year off in
Speaker 3: pursuit of the family dream. Yeah, and it's a it's
Speaker 3: a very weird thing when you cross the bridge and
Speaker 3: you realize it's not the bridge you thought it was
Speaker 3: going to be and yeah, and you you don't get
Speaker 3: that time back. Yeah, And you know, no matter what
Speaker 3: it is, there's no way to hold everything you want
Speaker 3: to do at the same time. You can, It's like
Speaker 3: that adage, right, you can have it all, just not
Speaker 3: at the same time.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: The sort of.
Speaker 3: Seesaw of it, you know, as a single mom. You know,
Speaker 3: so many of our friends know as you know, either
Speaker 3: single parents or one half of like very of c
Speaker 3: who have to travel for work, Like in whatever way
Speaker 3: we experience it. The trade offs are big and it's
Speaker 3: a hard thing to do. And so it is very
Speaker 3: interesting to watch both Haley and Nathan in this drama
Speaker 3: free time in their relationship ponder their joy but also
Speaker 3: what more they might want for themselves.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what is this going to look like for us?
Speaker 4: How do we do we want more kids? Do we
Speaker 4: want to go off and pursue music and sports and yeah,
Speaker 4: all of these things that we want, you know, how
Speaker 4: how and also the idea of it is it all
Speaker 4: about just us and our dreams and my individual dream
Speaker 4: and your dream and is there is service involved, is
Speaker 4: community involved? It's it's such a Western ideal to think
Speaker 4: it's all about me and me accomplishing my dream and
Speaker 4: me fulfilling what I want. There's so many culture in
Speaker 4: the world where the community is the most important thing.
Speaker 4: Your family is the most centric thing, and you do
Speaker 4: what you can to sacrifice for them, and and fulfillment
Speaker 4: comes in so many different ways that yeah, it's funny.
Speaker 4: It's funny to go through the motions of chasing the
Speaker 4: thing that you think you want then getting it and
Speaker 4: being like this is not being like, uh oh what
Speaker 4: I wanted?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, whose life is this?
Speaker 4: Right? Right?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 3: Well, it's really interesting. You know, my best friend and
Speaker 3: I have this conversation a lot that one of the
Speaker 3: things we really love about each other and our friendship
Speaker 3: is that we are we said it earlier, you and
Speaker 3: I like we are all in kind of people. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and we've both learned to not be afraid to be like,
Speaker 3: I gave it my all and you know what, it's
Speaker 3: not for me? Yeah, okay, next, like, yeah, And I
Speaker 3: think there's something really interesting about that. And I think
Speaker 3: the tesselations of that experience.
Speaker 4: Ooh, what's that word mean like like remember.
Speaker 3: When we would do did you ever study esher tesselations
Speaker 3: in math? Like the shapes that repeat in every direction
Speaker 3: and so like no matter which way you look at them,
Speaker 3: they go on sort of forever. So this sort of
Speaker 3: like like there would be a chair and then it
Speaker 3: would rotate around and around and around. I'll send you
Speaker 3: a thing about it. But this is essentially the idea
Speaker 3: when you think about like you could have this experience
Speaker 3: where you get something and then you go, I thought
Speaker 3: I wanted this and I don't, or I thought this
Speaker 3: was really good for me, and I realized this is
Speaker 3: a toxic dynamic however you define it, not for me
Speaker 3: moving on or like one one tesselation over. It's the
Speaker 3: same life. But let's take Haley and Nathan for example.
Speaker 3: You're in this moment where your family life feels really good,
Speaker 3: your romance feels really good, your kid is doing great.
Speaker 3: You're both really happy, but maybe you're happier in the
Speaker 3: we than in the individual me and you go, I
Speaker 3: did like being on stage tonight. I did really miss it.
Speaker 3: I love that thing that I do. And he's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I do want to be here for my family, and
Speaker 3: I also love basketball, and you have to sort of
Speaker 3: figure out how you have what you love and also
Speaker 3: might want more. And like you were saying about community
Speaker 3: and sacrifice, and we were saying earlier about the sort
Speaker 3: of seesaw you can have it, but maybe not all
Speaker 3: at the same time. How do you start to figure
Speaker 3: out what side goes up and what side goes down,
Speaker 3: and how you can achieve your goals but also be
Speaker 3: in your family or you know whatever. And I like
Speaker 3: getting to see you guys do that. Yeah, because more
Speaker 3: often than not on our show, we just have these
Speaker 3: characters with these illogically phenomenal successful lives. Yes, And I
Speaker 3: just like seeing a family trying to figure out like
Speaker 3: what they want. Yeah it feels nice.
Speaker 4: It does nice and normal and no drama.
Speaker 5: Yeah it's good. That's what my not.
Speaker 4: It's a glimpse of two people fighting for each other
Speaker 4: and themselves.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Just we're just on the same page. We're gonna figure
Speaker 4: it out and just stay with me.
Speaker 3: Well, and what I like too, is that that idea,
Speaker 3: this nugget of don't give up on your dreams. If
Speaker 3: you're lucky enough to be alive and to have a chance,
Speaker 3: don't you throw it away and I like that. You
Speaker 3: see that breadcrumbing with Nathan and Hayley, and then it
Speaker 3: cuts to Peyton and she does the same thing for Lucas,
Speaker 3: and she's like, you cannot give up on this movie
Speaker 3: because you don't.
Speaker 5: Like this guy.
Speaker 3: No way. You have to go after your dream like
Speaker 3: you're lucky enough to be getting it. It's gonna come true.
Speaker 3: You have to be a part of it. And I
Speaker 3: really I like that.
Speaker 4: Yes, I'm excited this felt. I liked this episode because
Speaker 4: it felt like a good bridge there there was aside
Speaker 4: from just enjoying watching us and seeing Kate vogelback Mia.
Speaker 4: By the way, Mia and Sam, I loved that dynamic.
Speaker 3: That was so great.
Speaker 4: I don't know if we get more of that, but
Speaker 4: I hope we do.
Speaker 3: I'm just so bummed that the term boomer, like in
Speaker 3: the way we use it now, wasn't in the lexicon then,
Speaker 3: because I would have given anything for me to be like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean Brooke and Payton and Haley are cool, but
Speaker 3: like their boomers call me.
Speaker 5: You know, that would have been great. It would have
Speaker 5: been so great.
Speaker 4: I was a little like she said that, I know,
Speaker 4: but then but then I was like, no, she's right.
Speaker 4: She's right. Saman's a very cool girl to hang out with,
Speaker 4: good influence.
Speaker 5: But as much as it was, you know, we got
Speaker 5: to the.
Speaker 4: Fun of seeing Mia and then angels and airwaves and
Speaker 4: I loved that. But amidst all of it, just starting
Speaker 4: to piece together the things that are leading to whatever's
Speaker 4: coming next. I thought Nikki did a really nice job
Speaker 4: of weaving all that together in an interesting way. There
Speaker 4: was never a moment that I was bored, which sometimes
Speaker 4: these episodes can for me. If it's a bridge episode
Speaker 4: that's setting up new things, Yeah, it can start to
Speaker 4: feel a little expositional and boring.
Speaker 5: YE didn't feel that way.
Speaker 3: I didn't either. I really thought they did a good job.
Speaker 3: I actually even I had a note that earlier in
Speaker 3: the episode, in an early scene with you and James,
Speaker 3: when Nathan's encouraging you and you're talking about, you know,
Speaker 3: having had the nightmare, he brings you back to that,
Speaker 3: remember the first time you sang for me in the cafe. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and it's it is exposition. But it was so well done.
Speaker 3: It really just felt like a great story in a romance.
Speaker 3: And I literally was like, the cafe story is exposition
Speaker 3: done right.
Speaker 5: Exactly.
Speaker 4: Oh good, remember this?
Speaker 3: Remember? But yeah, it was a lovely It was just
Speaker 3: a lovely throwback. Nikki did such a great job making
Speaker 3: this all feel real.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, do we have fan questions?
Speaker 3: We sure do. And actually this is a good one
Speaker 3: for you. It's from Riley and it says, back in
Speaker 3: two thousand and eight, I remember hearing rumors in the
Speaker 3: media that Nathan and Haley were going to adopt a child.
Speaker 3: Was there ever going to be a storyline that Haley
Speaker 3: and Nathan adopted Sam? Or was it always meant to
Speaker 3: be Brooke who adopted Sam?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 3: Did you ever think Haley and Nathan were going to adopt?
Speaker 4: Okay, it sounds familiar, but I don't know if that's
Speaker 4: because I wanted to, Like I've always wanted to adopt
Speaker 4: at some point in my life, So I don't know
Speaker 4: if that was just a discussion that maybe I.
Speaker 5: Had with that. I don't know.
Speaker 4: Did you ever hear anything about this?
Speaker 3: Here's the thing this I do not ever remember hearing this,
Speaker 3: But I also earlier today on a call, was reminded
Speaker 3: of it speaking engagement that I did years ago where
Speaker 3: I interviewed like a very famous author. And when I
Speaker 3: tell you until I was reminded of it. I literally
Speaker 3: had no recollection. Like if you'd ask me if i'd
Speaker 3: met this man, I'd be like no, but he's.
Speaker 5: In like ever, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Like, I'd be like no, and then I was.
Speaker 4: Like, oh, yeah, I interviewed. I've got people I got
Speaker 4: in my life.
Speaker 3: But it was like such an out of context random
Speaker 3: thing to do that my brain forgot about it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: So as I'm reading Riley's question, I'm like, I don't
Speaker 3: ever remember hearing that rumor. But that doesn't mean that
Speaker 3: it didn't exist.
Speaker 4: Totally possible.
Speaker 3: I know that the Sam storyline was always in Brooks
Speaker 3: sort of vertical because Sam shoplifted from her and then
Speaker 3: we get where we get with Xavier later with the
Speaker 3: Sam overlap. It was always really wrapped up with her
Speaker 3: for me. Yeah, I think the you know, the thing
Speaker 3: that was a bummer for me was not being able
Speaker 3: to keep Ashley on the show with us, Like, I
Speaker 3: don't know, I think it would have been kind of
Speaker 3: cool if she'd always stuck around.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it definitely would, but she.
Speaker 3: Needed to go star on her own TV show, so good.
Speaker 4: For her, that's right. Yeah, that would have been really cool. No,
Speaker 4: I think Sam was always meant for Brooke. She had
Speaker 4: to have been. But it would have been cool if
Speaker 4: Nathan and Haley had adopted that, that would have been great.
Speaker 5: That would have been neat.
Speaker 4: Yeah, set a really great example. Actually an honorable mention?
Speaker 4: Oh gosh, what do you got?
Speaker 3: What was your honorable mention?
Speaker 4: I didn't think about that this episode. I mean, can
Speaker 4: I make the scene between you and Millie my honor moment?
Speaker 5: Honestly, it's fine.
Speaker 3: Yes, I want us to do a dramatic reading next week,
Speaker 3: so bad.
Speaker 4: I wish we had the script one hundred percent would
Speaker 4: read that with you right now. I was, I'm not
Speaker 4: kidding her, everywounded three times, crying, laughing.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, so good. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I thank god was wearing a black sweatsuit because I
Speaker 3: did a full, actual spit take with coffee and was like,
Speaker 3: here we go.
Speaker 4: Cut to sophiatur Anthony's cleaning coffee off the carpet in
Speaker 4: the hotel room.
Speaker 3: The fascination on my face and the absolute blank on Lisa's.
Speaker 3: I'll never forget it, I'll never feel wheel. Yeah, let's
Speaker 3: see what a're most likely to is this week? Is
Speaker 3: it going to be most likely to move in with
Speaker 3: their boyfriend and never sleep with them.
Speaker 4: Oh, speaking of Sam, most.
Speaker 3: Likely to get arrested for shoplifting, I mean, well, yeah,
Speaker 3: on the show, it would absolutely be Sam Roope just
Speaker 3: didn't call the cops.
Speaker 5: That's right, that's right.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, we enjoyed we got arrested for shoplifting.
Speaker 3: And really, you guys are the clothes over bros clothes?
Speaker 5: That's right.
Speaker 3: Like there's a famous photo of you and me and
Speaker 3: Hillary in jail on the show for that.
Speaker 4: Oh, that's right, that was funny. I forgot only time
Speaker 4: I've ever worn an orange jumpsuit. Yeah, I don't know
Speaker 4: who in real life, I don't know who. Well, who
Speaker 4: would shoplift and then also get arrested for it.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I'm too much of a chicken, no way. I can't
Speaker 4: even steal a pack of gum. I'd go home and
Speaker 4: not be able to fall asleep.
Speaker 3: I was like helping work at a fair at my
Speaker 3: school in the fourth grade, and I like picked up
Speaker 3: an eraser from one of the tables, and I don't
Speaker 3: know if I meant to or I just forgot her.
Speaker 3: I was walking around whatever two hours later, Like I
Speaker 3: realize I have an eraser in my pocket and I'm sobbing,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, I took this, I stole it. I
Speaker 3: hadn't even gone home. I was like sobbing hysterically, and
Speaker 3: I don't know like it. I think it scarred me.
Speaker 4: For like sobbing because you thought you were going to
Speaker 4: be in trouble or.
Speaker 3: You, I mean maybe or I felt bad because I
Speaker 3: had put something in my pocket that didn't belong to me.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know what my plan was, like, I don't
Speaker 3: remember obviously, the more my brain was thinking in the
Speaker 3: fourth fourth grade, just like the hysterical weeping at like
Speaker 3: the shame that I felt absolutely not I couldn't.
Speaker 4: It's not yeah me, no, no, I'm not a not
Speaker 4: a stealer. I don't know anyone on our show who is.
Speaker 4: I mean, the only thing I could think of is
Speaker 4: someone who was like maybe trying to do something sneaky
Speaker 4: for fun and then it was bad at it. I
Speaker 4: don't know even who that would be though, either who
Speaker 4: would be bad at shoplifting if they had to do it.
Speaker 3: We're not good at this question.
Speaker 5: Probably Hillary.
Speaker 4: I feel like she would try and be like sneaky
Speaker 4: superspy and would just be clumsy and I don't know.
Speaker 3: Well, maybe the moral of the story is we should
Speaker 3: just all like try to not steal.
Speaker 4: I think that's a good moral of the story. Don't steal.
Speaker 3: Probably what's good?
Speaker 5: All right?
Speaker 4: Next episode, Season six, Episode eleven, wee three, my echo,
Speaker 4: my shadow and me sounds email. Something's gonna happen. Well,
Speaker 4: thanks for joining us, everybody. This was fun. See you
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