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Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me.

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Speaker 2: We all about that high school drama, girl drama, girl,

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Speaker 3: High school queens.

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Speaker 2: We'll take you for a ride, and our comic girl

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Speaker 1: Girl Drama, Queens, Drama, Quise drama, Queens Drama Drama, Queens

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Speaker 1: Drama Queens.

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Speaker 4: Well, hello everyone, welcome back.

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Speaker 5: You have me and Sophia today. Hi lays out of pocket.

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Speaker 4: I think that's what that means, right out of pocket,

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Speaker 4: I'm on my phone, out of the house.

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Speaker 5: Is that what it used to mean?

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Speaker 4: And now it just means I'm unavailable?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like you're Yeah, you're out out of pocket. It

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Speaker 3: became I think, the sort of colloquialism for like out

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Speaker 4: Of office, right, But it didn't. It used to be

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Speaker 4: like I'll be on my cell phone out of my pocket.

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Speaker 4: But now it's something different, so I always get a

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Speaker 3: But anyway, yeah, because now it's like you're actually unreachable.

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Speaker 3: But no one's unreachable because we carry computers in our pockets,

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Speaker 3: which is deeply stressful for all of us.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, let's talk about that. Okay, well, thanks, thanks

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Speaker 5: So for do we have?

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Speaker 4: What do we have today?

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Speaker 5: Well, let me tell you joy.

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Speaker 3: Today we have season six, Episode ten. Even fairy Tale

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Speaker 3: characters would be jealous. This originally aired November tenth, two

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Speaker 3: thousand and eight. Would you like me to tell you

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Speaker 3: what the episode is about? Would you please tell me

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Speaker 3: what the episode is about? Don Yes, yes, darlinge, I can,

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Speaker 3: I can read the synops this foril. On the day

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Speaker 3: of Peyton's USO concert, Haley battles stage fright, and Nathan

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Speaker 3: is visited by an old friend, which makes him question

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Speaker 3: call that threatens her relationship with Sam. Millicent confronts Marvin

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Speaker 3: and Julian's past. Angels and Airwaves makes a guest appearance,

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Speaker 3: and this episode was directed by Sweetheart Janice.

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Speaker 4: Cook Yes and written by Nikki Scheffelbain. We love both

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Speaker 4: First of all, Angels and airwaves was so great, and

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Speaker 4: so it was really fun to see your face at

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Speaker 4: the table when you're talking to Okay, So here's the thing.

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Speaker 4: My daughter, who's thirteen, has a constant loop running in

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Speaker 5: Oh that's nice.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's great, great for the ego.

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Speaker 4: So when you were sitting at that breakfast table looking

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Speaker 4: Angels and airwaves was really great.

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Speaker 3: They were so great. It was also I just remember,

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Speaker 3: And he was the sweetest, just like such a genuinely

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Speaker 5: So it was hard.

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Speaker 4: And that God, that red dress, I like it.

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Speaker 5: This, there's been drama of it.

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Speaker 3: And she's like, but wait, so she was in your bed.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so she was with mouth. No, mouth is on

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Speaker 3: I very naturally do, Like I am often the person

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00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,639
Speaker 3: who my friends come to for the advice for the

442
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:58,040
Speaker 3: thing I want to I am very solutions oriented. I

443
00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:01,920
Speaker 3: like to help, Like acts of service are my big

444
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:06,360
Speaker 3: love language, and it's funny to watch that get put

445
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,600
Speaker 3: into this character that I loved playing so much, with

446
00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:09,520
Speaker 3: so much comedy.

447
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:12,159
Speaker 5: I just really enjoy it.

448
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:16,119
Speaker 3: And even to go from you know, her figuring all

449
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,760
Speaker 3: of this stuff out with Millicent, to then Lucas coming

450
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:20,480
Speaker 3: to her to be like, you know and finding out

451
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,240
Speaker 3: like you knew about Julian and she's like, I was

452
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:27,680
Speaker 3: the practice dummy, you know, like we're not doing this,

453
00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:33,560
Speaker 3: And I love that while she sort of sasses him

454
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,080
Speaker 3: to like get him back on track and make him

455
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:40,119
Speaker 3: realize that this double standard is utterly ridiculous, that she also,

456
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:44,320
Speaker 3: like in her sassy way, gives him some really good

457
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 3: advice and hopefully a way to feel less threatened with

458
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,119
Speaker 3: that whole story about what it means to rebound and

459
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,439
Speaker 3: to say, like, you always fall in love with your rebound,

460
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:55,080
Speaker 3: but it isn't real.

461
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:57,480
Speaker 5: Your brain's playing a trick on you. Yeah, how does

462
00:22:57,520 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 5: he not know that?

463
00:22:58,400 --> 00:22:58,680
Speaker 1: Though?

464
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:00,640
Speaker 3: And I was like, ooh, that it feels like something

465
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 3: we should talk about on the podcast.

466
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 4: Yes, falling in love with the rebound. It really is

467
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 4: such a cliche, but it's true.

468
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 3: Aren't cliches cliches because they're so universally true.

469
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 4: Of course they are, and that's why there's nothing wrong

470
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:18,160
Speaker 4: with them, because it's just a pattern of human behavior.

471
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,280
Speaker 4: It means you're not alone. It means you're normal. You're

472
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,879
Speaker 4: just trying to figure out life like everybody else, and

473
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 4: we all make mistakes, and there's no way to not

474
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:26,959
Speaker 4: make a mistake.

475
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 5: There's just no way.

476
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 3: But it makes me giggle thinking back. I mean, on

477
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 3: all of our last two decades, I'm like, wow, we've

478
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:37,399
Speaker 3: really all looked at each other and been like no,

479
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,640
Speaker 3: but it's not a rebound. I really I'm so happy

480
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 3: and you're like, okay, I'll be here either way.

481
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:46,879
Speaker 5: Man. I know.

482
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,920
Speaker 4: I think back on my first relationship after my divorce

483
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 4: and the just the things that I said to people

484
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 4: that how sure I was, you know, the manifesto, what

485
00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 4: it was written about, how this is just like the

486
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,440
Speaker 4: real thing forever and ever, and oh my gosh. Now

487
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 4: looking back, it's the cliche after cliche, and you can

488
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,719
Speaker 4: see all the glaring problems and you can also see

489
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 4: all the lovely, patient people around me who were just like.

490
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 3: We okay, okay.

491
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 5: Exactly okay.

492
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 3: I also think, though, it's like, come on, we we

493
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 3: had such a wild time. Not dissimilarly to our characters,

494
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:33,919
Speaker 3: we got catapulted into very grown up life very young,

495
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 3: the normal sort of early twenties like growing pains and

496
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,439
Speaker 3: stumbling things that all of our friends got to do.

497
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,440
Speaker 3: We had to sort of leap frog over. Yeah, And

498
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 3: I think in a lot of ways, I mean, I

499
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 3: know we've talked about this, but I think in a

500
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,679
Speaker 3: lot of ways, we all sort of went through the

501
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 3: normal early twenties stuff in our early thirties, like once

502
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 3: we finally got out of our set because we were

503
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 3: sort of Groundhog's Day. And it's not lost on me

504
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,920
Speaker 3: that I'm like, oh man, well of course you were

505
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 3: so there at that age, because like in a way

506
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 3: you were also like mentally twenty five. Yes, and no

507
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 3: shade to twenty five year olds, You're wonderful. We were

508
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 3: fun then too, but you know, learn, you learn a lot,

509
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 3: and now, like from this vantage point us being in

510
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 3: our forties, I look back and I'm just like, oh man,

511
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 3: you know what I respect about us? We really when

512
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 3: we say something, we commit.

513
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:36,399
Speaker 4: One hundred percent. Yep, also admitted go for it. I

514
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 4: think that's so true that we just evolve, like every

515
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:44,200
Speaker 4: stage of life has to be had. It just doesn't

516
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:48,160
Speaker 4: always happen in the traditional order. I definitely lived out

517
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,399
Speaker 4: my twenties and my thirties, and I definitely have even

518
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:56,359
Speaker 4: found and maybe this is something that happens to a

519
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 4: lot of women in their forties, but I found that

520
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 4: I'm going back to my middle schoolish, elementary, middle schoolish

521
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 4: years and sort of hashing out some of those things

522
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:11,119
Speaker 4: and re rehaving moments. You know, you know, you're raised

523
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:16,919
Speaker 4: with ideas about who you are, and we receive messages

524
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 4: from whoever, parents, siblings, friends, the environment, and we just

525
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 4: take it in. We don't necessarily tell anybody that we've

526
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,159
Speaker 4: decided this is information that is true about us, and

527
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 4: then we just carry it, and we carry that for

528
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 4: the next twenty thirty years until suddenly we go, wait

529
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 4: a second, why do I believe this about myself?

530
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:36,880
Speaker 5: We're just saying it. Why do I believe this about

531
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 5: other people?

532
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,439
Speaker 4: We have to go back and start unpacking all those things.

533
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 4: And it's funny to go back and go through a

534
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 4: stage that wasn't had properly because of whatever circumstances were

535
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 4: in life. And I think we just do that. We

536
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,439
Speaker 4: were constantly cycling through all the phases, but not necessarily

537
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 4: in order.

538
00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:58,400
Speaker 5: Yeah.

539
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 3: Well, I think it's also why you hear so many

540
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 3: people talk about how free they feel when they turn forty,

541
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 3: because you start to realize what you're carrying that you

542
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:12,360
Speaker 3: didn't decide to pick up.

543
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:14,880
Speaker 5: Like, the biggest shift.

544
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 3: For me in the last year is to realize I've

545
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,160
Speaker 3: been walking around with my arms full of stuff people

546
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 3: have handed to me and said this is who you are,

547
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 3: and this is what you should be doing, and this

548
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 3: is what you owe people, and this is what and

549
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 3: it's like, okay, okay, okay, yeah, I got it, I

550
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 3: got it. I can handle all of this.

551
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

552
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 3: And then you look around one day and you go,

553
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 3: but what do I want to carry? What do I

554
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 3: want to do? How do I want to serve? What

555
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,919
Speaker 3: do I want to choose? Instead of accepting what's chosen

556
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 3: for me, what do I want to choose for myself?

557
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 5: Yeah? Why am I holding all this stuff? It's not mine?

558
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, It's like it's a wild and beautiful part of evolving.

559
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,360
Speaker 3: And all of the women in my life are like, oh, yeah,

560
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,399
Speaker 3: you're hitting that moment, And like all my friends in

561
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 3: their fifties are like, ooh, this is when it gets good,

562
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,120
Speaker 3: and then they have all this advice about the next

563
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 3: ten years and I'm like, I don't know, I love it.

564
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 3: I love it.

565
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 4: There is a not giving a shit in a really

566
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 4: good way that feels it feels freeing. It's not callous

567
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 4: or hard. I think that's what actually feels freeing about

568
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 4: it is the freedom to you know, we've talked about

569
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 4: lovingly detached frequently, but the feeling of like I don't

570
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 4: have to close my heart off, which is kind of

571
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:39,959
Speaker 4: what I always thought I had to do in twenties

572
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 4: and thirties, like if I'm gonna, if I'm gonna, I

573
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 4: don't know, set a boundary, set something down, like not

574
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 4: hold something it doesn't I used to just the only

575
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 4: way I knew how to do it was to just

576
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 4: put up a wall. And now it's like, I feel

577
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 4: like I've got the freedom to be able to still

578
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 4: have a soft heart and not have a wall, but

579
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 4: also be okay with not holding the thing that's not mine.

580
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not perfect at it, but I'm learning.

581
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 4: And I think that's a thing in your forties that yeah,

582
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 4: oh thank god.

583
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 3: I think I think a softening is part of growing

584
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 3: up for sure, and I think it's also it's part

585
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 3: of why I appreciate some of what feels like ridiculous

586
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 3: and funny on our show, because these characters are so young,

587
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 3: so very often they're really like serious about things. I'm like,

588
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 3: Brooke especially is you know, she's so intense, like you know,

589
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 3: in the way that Austin was talking about watching some

590
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 3: of these scenes and being like, what was I doing?

591
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 3: Why did I seem like such a creep? As Julian

592
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 3: I'm watching myself in this episode and I'm loving so.

593
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:48,959
Speaker 5: Much of it.

594
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 3: I love the dialogue, I love the energy. And then

595
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 3: I'm telling Sam she's going to be safe with me

596
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 3: and I'm never going to kick her out of the house.

597
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 3: And I was like, what was I doing? Why was

598
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 3: I communicating with her? Like it was so serious? I

599
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 3: was like, that is not how I would have said

600
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 3: that now. None of those words would I have chosen

601
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 3: to do in that way as the actor I am today?

602
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 5: What would you have done differently? I don't know.

603
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 3: I think at like twenty five, I was like, I

604
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 3: don't know how to talk to a teenager about how

605
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 3: they get to live with me, Like, I, what does

606
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 3: that mean? And you know, I was so like no,

607
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 3: And I don't know, I was like grimacing at her,

608
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 3: maybe because it felt so serious, but I was like,

609
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 3: oh man, I would now I would be like, come

610
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 3: with me to a quiet spot and like look at

611
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 3: me and tell me what you're afraid of, and let

612
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 3: me tell you I'm here like I It would.

613
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 5: Just be so different.

614
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:45,479
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, man, look at me as

615
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 3: a little kid trying to pretend like I knew what

616
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 3: grown ups.

617
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 5: Did, right, isn't this how we do it? Yeah?

618
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 3: Like like silly relationship advice among all of us tracked

619
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 3: for me. Oh yeah, but like you are my child

620
00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 3: and you will live with me and you will never

621
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 3: be kicked out on the street.

622
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 4: I'm like, because Victoria never did that for her. Victoria

623
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 4: was always so ambiguous and so noncommittal that, of course

624
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 4: she went, we always do the opposite of whatever our

625
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 4: mothers do, and then we turn out to be our

626
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 4: mothers of course somehow, But of course she's doing exactly

627
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 4: the opposite of what she received from Victoria. I actually

628
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,719
Speaker 4: think that scene really worked because I think Sam's character

629
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 4: needed that she needed somebody.

630
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 5: To fight for her.

631
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 4: She sat across the table from so many social workers

632
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 4: and therapists and probably a lot of foster parents who

633
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 4: were you know, gentle and soft, and it didn't match her.

634
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 4: She has a bubbling swamp of complication and anger and

635
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 4: frustration and all of these things inside of her that

636
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 4: to be met with someone that sees that and can

637
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 4: combat it, and not just combat it, but hold space

638
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 4: for it and even overpower it. That felt. Really.

639
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 5: I think that's why she was crying. The look on

640
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 5: her face.

641
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 4: My god, she's such a good actress, and I know

642
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 4: she's such a CUTEI Okay, fine, maybe I don't dislike

643
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 4: it as much as I thought I did, but I

644
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,719
Speaker 4: would we would handle it differently now, for Yeah, for sure,

645
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 4: that's why she needed the Brook though.

646
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:35,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting to me that in the way that

647
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 3: Brooke is being so firm with so many people I love,

648
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 3: you know, especially like she's really firm with Sam lovingly,

649
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 3: and then she lays down the law with Lucas and

650
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 3: lays down the law with Julian, and like, is really

651
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 3: doing all these things. I loved seeing Millie mirror that,

652
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 3: because Milly and Brooke have been there for each other

653
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 3: so much in this you know, business evolution of our

654
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 3: of our show and close over Rose being what it is,

655
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 3: and to see her go and then lay down the

656
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 3: law with Gig, I.

657
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 5: Was like, yes, Millie go, Yes, Yes, I loved it.

658
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 4: That was a really interesting storyline.

659
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 5: I have to say.

660
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 4: I was looking forward to them coming back to see

661
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 4: what was going to happen. I man, the Gigi thing

662
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 4: is it bothers me a lot?

663
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 5: Me too.

664
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 4: As I said before, it doesn't read like a young

665
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,239
Speaker 4: woman in charge of her sexuality and who knows who

666
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 4: she is and knows what she wants. It reads trauma

667
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 4: to me, and.

668
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 3: Well, and what it is is a grown man writing

669
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 3: his fantasies for how women would approach him. Yeah, and

670
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 3: essentially breadcrumbing that, like, well, what's a guy to do

671
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 3: in these hot girls in short skirts? Just keep hitting

672
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 3: on him. It's the same thing that they did with

673
00:33:56,160 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 3: Uncle Cooper with the Rachel storyline years ago. Oh that's right,

674
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 3: but she's she's in her cheerleading uniform and she's taking

675
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 3: off her clothes and yeah, she's only seventeen, But what's

676
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 3: he to do? It's like, it's so.

677
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,760
Speaker 4: For me, this is so the like it still reeks

678
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 4: of that nineties purity culture that I particularly grew up

679
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 4: in in the evandelical church of like, but you know,

680
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 4: men are just like, Well, we get two messages. The

681
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 4: first is the men are the most important and most powerful,

682
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 4: but the second is men are weak and they just

683
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 4: can't handle.

684
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 3: What are they to do if you're wearing a tank

685
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 3: top around them?

686
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 5: Oh? No, God, the bit spaghetti straps.

687
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, the amount of times I got dress coded.

688
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 5: But like, it's just so, it's so.

689
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:51,280
Speaker 4: Wrong. Offensive, all of the above, oppressive, all of the above,

690
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 4: And so I felt like that's what I was watching,

691
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:58,399
Speaker 4: more of of that. Oh yeah, we're all just sirens. Wait,

692
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 4: got god forbid? A shoulder happens to be seen or

693
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 4: an ankle.

694
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 5: And what it.

695
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 3: Also does is like Gigi's entire job here is to

696
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 3: be inappropriate and throw herself at this man. She has

697
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:21,720
Speaker 3: no input on work, no thoughts about.

698
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 4: I wrote this in my notes. I wish we knew

699
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 4: she was amazing at her job. Yeah, you know, just

700
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 4: because it felt like that would give me some context

701
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 4: for why she's still around. Yeah, because otherwise it really

702
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 4: makes mouth look like genuinely weak, because why is he

703
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 4: not just being like, go go home, I don't want

704
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 4: you working for me. I don't want you in my life.

705
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 4: I don't want you in my relationship. This is inappropriate.

706
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 4: I'm calling hr go. But if she was exceptional at

707
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,760
Speaker 4: her job, now we have some complication and some drama,

708
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 4: like I can't fire her, she's you know, she's the

709
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 4: best out there, or she's like, I don't know, I

710
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 4: ran out of things to say.

711
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, if she had the same sort of sports knowledge

712
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 3: that Mouth does. Remember when he has his save the

713
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 3: Day scene episodes ago, where you know, the announcer fails

714
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 3: and so he's like, this is what happened, and you know,

715
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,439
Speaker 3: he becomes this incredible sports guy. If if Gigi knew

716
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 3: more about sports than Mouth and was like a badass

717
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 3: camera woman and together, it's like, let's pull the footage

718
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 3: from the you know, nineteen ninety nine state championship and

719
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 3: that you would love their working dynamic. And then if

720
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 3: she said something inappropriate to him or whatever, it would

721
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 3: it would slide in between their greater relationship in their

722
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 3: work and it would actually be human and interesting. Yes exactly,

723
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 3: But you know, I mean, what a credit to Kelsey

724
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:58,919
Speaker 3: because she's she's been given essentially one thing to say

725
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 3: over and over and over again for months and she

726
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:09,280
Speaker 3: is so bubbly and dynamic and funny that she's still

727
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 3: so enjoyable to watch. She is like, I hate this

728
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 3: character now, yeah, I hate what they made her do,

729
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 3: but I love watching her and I love her presence.

730
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 3: And it was so nice to see her have a

731
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 3: more human moment at the end of the episode and

732
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 3: apologize and say I'm really not I don't want to

733
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 3: get in the middle of your relationship. I'll try to

734
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 3: be better. I was like, oh, I just want to

735
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 3: see more of Kelsey growing and acting, like I want

736
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:40,439
Speaker 3: to just watch her.

737
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,959
Speaker 4: Yeah, we got to get her on the show. Yeah, guys,

738
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 4: we have talked with her a little bit back and forth.

739
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 4: She's always flying off to this and that.

740
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:51,800
Speaker 3: Well she's so busy shooting.

741
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 4: I know she's so busy, but we're going to get

742
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 4: her on because I do have a lot of questions

743
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 4: for her about she was so young when she joined

744
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 4: the show, and then even coming on a few years later,

745
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 4: it was still I mean, was she probably nineteen or

746
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 4: twenty there in today's episode, Yeah, I mean if that, yeah, yeah,

747
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 4: I wonder what her thoughts were on that and her

748
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 4: parents and if she had these discussions with her parents,

749
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 4: or does she just like show up and say all

750
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 4: these lines and wake up in boys' beds and be like.

751
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 5: Okay, mom, be like sure.

752
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 4: You know she was just so sweet and probably and

753
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 4: you know who else we had back was Quentin.

754
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 3: I was so happy to see Robbie.

755
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 5: Yeah.

756
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 3: Also, I really appreciate the way he and James played

757
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 3: those scenes because they could have felt so weird, and

758
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,800
Speaker 3: and the way when Quentin pops up in front of Nathan,

759
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 3: James does the startle thing. Yeah, and like they just

760
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:53,359
Speaker 3: they put just enough humor in it that it made

761
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 3: it work instead of having it be the weirdest thing

762
00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 3: that could happen, you know, but they didn't take themselves

763
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:06,399
Speaker 3: too seriously to just the perfect, like little dial up

764
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:07,240
Speaker 3: of humor.

765
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 4: Yeah. I wasn't quite sure where they landed with all

766
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 4: of the with their conversation though, were you, Because it

767
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,399
Speaker 4: seemed like he was saying, no, it's good, I don't

768
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 4: need to play slamball. I'm good. I like my family.

769
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 4: Then Quenton was like, yeah, no, but you have more

770
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 4: to offer them if you're following your dream And then

771
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 4: Nathan says, hey to Haley, let's always follow our dreams. Yeah,

772
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 4: but maybe he's still staying home.

773
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:41,399
Speaker 5: I don't know. I was confused. It felt to me.

774
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 3: Like Quentin was pushing him to be his biggest self,

775
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 3: you know, as you said, I thought it was really

776
00:39:53,560 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 3: sweet that with Derek you spoke about your family being

777
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 3: so central, and then with Quentin, Nathan spoke about his

778
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 3: family being so central.

779
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 5: But when he says, then you.

780
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 3: Owe it to them to be the best version of yourself,

781
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 3: and then you come home, and I felt like Nathan

782
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 3: was beginning to travel down the road of you should

783
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,800
Speaker 3: be doing your music and I should be I should

784
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 3: be chasing my dreams too. And we know it's not

785
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 3: going to be Slamball because they just won the championship.

786
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 3: But what will that mean? Will he try to play basketball?

787
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 3: Will he try to be a coach? I mean, obviously

788
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:35,879
Speaker 3: we know where the show goes.

789
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 4: Well, he couldn't go back and play Slamball in the

790
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 4: next season.

791
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 3: I don't actually know what happens immediately, but I just

792
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 3: know where we'd wind up. And I'm like, well, he'll.

793
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 5: Chase his dream too.

794
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,359
Speaker 3: But it is interesting to me that it feels like

795
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 3: he's beginning to bread crum a conversation based on this,

796
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 3: you know, experience he's had, you know, with this imagined

797
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 3: or whatever conversation he's had to.

798
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 4: Love the Quinton walking through the wall, the good old

799
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 4: Highway to Heaven and walking on that was really funny. Great, Yeah,

800
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 4: that is it's a he's starting the conversation. That's a

801
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 4: very real thing. I don't know how well I can

802
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 4: relate to it because I raised my daughter on my own,

803
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 4: and I was working and raising her at the same time,

804
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 4: and that was you know, really my only option was

805
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 4: to work and also have help and be home with her.

806
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 4: But there are a lot of people who who let

807
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,919
Speaker 4: go of dreams for the sake of, yeah, staying home

808
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 4: with her family, because that becomes a bigger dream, or

809
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 4: maybe it always has been, or maybe it's out of necessity.

810
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 4: You know, not everybody gets the privilege of following their

811
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 4: dreams the way that they want to.

812
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 3: Well, and I think there is a practical reality that

813
00:41:58,160 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 3: there is always a trade.

814
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 4: Off, right, like, yeah, to everything you say yes to,

815
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 4: you're saying no to something else.

816
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah.

817
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 3: And you know, obviously it didn't land where I thought

818
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 3: it would, but like I took a year off in

819
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 3: pursuit of the family dream. Yeah, and it's a it's

820
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:26,839
Speaker 3: a very weird thing when you cross the bridge and

821
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 3: you realize it's not the bridge you thought it was

822
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 3: going to be and yeah, and you you don't get

823
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 3: that time back. Yeah, And you know, no matter what

824
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:41,959
Speaker 3: it is, there's no way to hold everything you want

825
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 3: to do at the same time. You can, It's like

826
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 3: that adage, right, you can have it all, just not

827
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 3: at the same time.

828
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 4: Yeah.

829
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:49,879
Speaker 5: The sort of.

830
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 3: Seesaw of it, you know, as a single mom. You know,

831
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 3: so many of our friends know as you know, either

832
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 3: single parents or one half of like very of c

833
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 3: who have to travel for work, Like in whatever way

834
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 3: we experience it. The trade offs are big and it's

835
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,919
Speaker 3: a hard thing to do. And so it is very

836
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 3: interesting to watch both Haley and Nathan in this drama

837
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 3: free time in their relationship ponder their joy but also

838
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 3: what more they might want for themselves.

839
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, what is this going to look like for us?

840
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 4: How do we do we want more kids? Do we

841
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:36,240
Speaker 4: want to go off and pursue music and sports and yeah,

842
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:37,919
Speaker 4: all of these things that we want, you know, how

843
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 4: how and also the idea of it is it all

844
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 4: about just us and our dreams and my individual dream

845
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 4: and your dream and is there is service involved, is

846
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 4: community involved? It's it's such a Western ideal to think

847
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 4: it's all about me and me accomplishing my dream and

848
00:43:56,160 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 4: me fulfilling what I want. There's so many culture in

849
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,359
Speaker 4: the world where the community is the most important thing.

850
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 4: Your family is the most centric thing, and you do

851
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 4: what you can to sacrifice for them, and and fulfillment

852
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:14,240
Speaker 4: comes in so many different ways that yeah, it's funny.

853
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 4: It's funny to go through the motions of chasing the

854
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 4: thing that you think you want then getting it and

855
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 4: being like this is not being like, uh oh what

856
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:26,280
Speaker 4: I wanted?

857
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, whose life is this?

858
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 4: Right? Right?

859
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 5: Right?

860
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 3: Well, it's really interesting. You know, my best friend and

861
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 3: I have this conversation a lot that one of the

862
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 3: things we really love about each other and our friendship

863
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 3: is that we are we said it earlier, you and

864
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 3: I like we are all in kind of people. Yeah,

865
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 3: and we've both learned to not be afraid to be like,

866
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 3: I gave it my all and you know what, it's

867
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 3: not for me? Yeah, okay, next, like, yeah, And I

868
00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 3: think there's something really interesting about that. And I think

869
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 3: the tesselations of that experience.

870
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 4: Ooh, what's that word mean like like remember.

871
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 3: When we would do did you ever study esher tesselations

872
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 3: in math? Like the shapes that repeat in every direction

873
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 3: and so like no matter which way you look at them,

874
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 3: they go on sort of forever. So this sort of

875
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,800
Speaker 3: like like there would be a chair and then it

876
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 3: would rotate around and around and around. I'll send you

877
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 3: a thing about it. But this is essentially the idea

878
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 3: when you think about like you could have this experience

879
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 3: where you get something and then you go, I thought

880
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 3: I wanted this and I don't, or I thought this

881
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 3: was really good for me, and I realized this is

882
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 3: a toxic dynamic however you define it, not for me

883
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 3: moving on or like one one tesselation over. It's the

884
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 3: same life. But let's take Haley and Nathan for example.

885
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 3: You're in this moment where your family life feels really good,

886
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 3: your romance feels really good, your kid is doing great.

887
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 3: You're both really happy, but maybe you're happier in the

888
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 3: we than in the individual me and you go, I

889
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 3: did like being on stage tonight. I did really miss it.

890
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 3: I love that thing that I do. And he's like, yeah,

891
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 3: I do want to be here for my family, and

892
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 3: I also love basketball, and you have to sort of

893
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 3: figure out how you have what you love and also

894
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 3: might want more. And like you were saying about community

895
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 3: and sacrifice, and we were saying earlier about the sort

896
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 3: of seesaw you can have it, but maybe not all

897
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 3: at the same time. How do you start to figure

898
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 3: out what side goes up and what side goes down,

899
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 3: and how you can achieve your goals but also be

900
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 3: in your family or you know whatever. And I like

901
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 3: getting to see you guys do that. Yeah, because more

902
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 3: often than not on our show, we just have these

903
00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 3: characters with these illogically phenomenal successful lives. Yes, And I

904
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 3: just like seeing a family trying to figure out like

905
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 3: what they want. Yeah it feels nice.

906
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 4: It does nice and normal and no drama.

907
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 5: Yeah it's good. That's what my not.

908
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 4: It's a glimpse of two people fighting for each other

909
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 4: and themselves.

910
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 5: Yeah.

911
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:20,959
Speaker 4: Just we're just on the same page. We're gonna figure

912
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 4: it out and just stay with me.

913
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 3: Well, and what I like too, is that that idea,

914
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 3: this nugget of don't give up on your dreams. If

915
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 3: you're lucky enough to be alive and to have a chance,

916
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 3: don't you throw it away and I like that. You

917
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 3: see that breadcrumbing with Nathan and Hayley, and then it

918
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 3: cuts to Peyton and she does the same thing for Lucas,

919
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 3: and she's like, you cannot give up on this movie

920
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 3: because you don't.

921
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 5: Like this guy.

922
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 3: No way. You have to go after your dream like

923
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 3: you're lucky enough to be getting it. It's gonna come true.

924
00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 3: You have to be a part of it. And I

925
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 3: really I like that.

926
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:07,760
Speaker 4: Yes, I'm excited this felt. I liked this episode because

927
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 4: it felt like a good bridge there there was aside

928
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 4: from just enjoying watching us and seeing Kate vogelback Mia.

929
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 4: By the way, Mia and Sam, I loved that dynamic.

930
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 3: That was so great.

931
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 4: I don't know if we get more of that, but

932
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 4: I hope we do.

933
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 3: I'm just so bummed that the term boomer, like in

934
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 3: the way we use it now, wasn't in the lexicon then,

935
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,439
Speaker 3: because I would have given anything for me to be like, yeah,

936
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 3: I mean Brooke and Payton and Haley are cool, but

937
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 3: like their boomers call me.

938
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 5: You know, that would have been great. It would have

939
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:41,439
Speaker 5: been so great.

940
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 4: I was a little like she said that, I know,

941
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:46,839
Speaker 4: but then but then I was like, no, she's right.

942
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,839
Speaker 4: She's right. Saman's a very cool girl to hang out with,

943
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 4: good influence.

944
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 5: But as much as it was, you know, we got

945
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 5: to the.

946
00:48:55,040 --> 00:49:00,040
Speaker 4: Fun of seeing Mia and then angels and airwaves and

947
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 4: I loved that. But amidst all of it, just starting

948
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:07,240
Speaker 4: to piece together the things that are leading to whatever's

949
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 4: coming next. I thought Nikki did a really nice job

950
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 4: of weaving all that together in an interesting way. There

951
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 4: was never a moment that I was bored, which sometimes

952
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 4: these episodes can for me. If it's a bridge episode

953
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 4: that's setting up new things, Yeah, it can start to

954
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 4: feel a little expositional and boring.

955
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 5: YE didn't feel that way.

956
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 3: I didn't either. I really thought they did a good job.

957
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 3: I actually even I had a note that earlier in

958
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 3: the episode, in an early scene with you and James,

959
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 3: when Nathan's encouraging you and you're talking about, you know,

960
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 3: having had the nightmare, he brings you back to that,

961
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,839
Speaker 3: remember the first time you sang for me in the cafe. Yeah,

962
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 3: and it's it is exposition. But it was so well done.

963
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 3: It really just felt like a great story in a romance.

964
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 3: And I literally was like, the cafe story is exposition

965
00:49:57,800 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 3: done right.

966
00:49:59,120 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 5: Exactly.

967
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:02,359
Speaker 4: Oh good, remember this?

968
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 3: Remember? But yeah, it was a lovely It was just

969
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 3: a lovely throwback. Nikki did such a great job making

970
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 3: this all feel real.

971
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, do we have fan questions?

972
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,879
Speaker 3: We sure do. And actually this is a good one

973
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 3: for you. It's from Riley and it says, back in

974
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 3: two thousand and eight, I remember hearing rumors in the

975
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 3: media that Nathan and Haley were going to adopt a child.

976
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 3: Was there ever going to be a storyline that Haley

977
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 3: and Nathan adopted Sam? Or was it always meant to

978
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 3: be Brooke who adopted Sam?

979
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 5: Oh?

980
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 3: Did you ever think Haley and Nathan were going to adopt?

981
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,879
Speaker 4: Okay, it sounds familiar, but I don't know if that's

982
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 4: because I wanted to, Like I've always wanted to adopt

983
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 4: at some point in my life, So I don't know

984
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 4: if that was just a discussion that maybe I.

985
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 5: Had with that. I don't know.

986
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 4: Did you ever hear anything about this?

987
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 3: Here's the thing this I do not ever remember hearing this,

988
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 3: But I also earlier today on a call, was reminded

989
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 3: of it speaking engagement that I did years ago where

990
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 3: I interviewed like a very famous author. And when I

991
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,800
Speaker 3: tell you until I was reminded of it. I literally

992
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 3: had no recollection. Like if you'd ask me if i'd

993
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:36,240
Speaker 3: met this man, I'd be like no, but he's.

994
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 5: In like ever, you know what I mean.

995
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:38,840
Speaker 3: Like, I'd be like no, and then I was.

996
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 4: Like, oh, yeah, I interviewed. I've got people I got

997
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 4: in my life.

998
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 3: But it was like such an out of context random

999
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 3: thing to do that my brain forgot about it. Yeah,

1000
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 3: So as I'm reading Riley's question, I'm like, I don't

1001
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 3: ever remember hearing that rumor. But that doesn't mean that

1002
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 3: it didn't exist.

1003
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 4: Totally possible.

1004
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 3: I know that the Sam storyline was always in Brooks

1005
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 3: sort of vertical because Sam shoplifted from her and then

1006
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 3: we get where we get with Xavier later with the

1007
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 3: Sam overlap. It was always really wrapped up with her

1008
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:19,359
Speaker 3: for me. Yeah, I think the you know, the thing

1009
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:23,280
Speaker 3: that was a bummer for me was not being able

1010
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 3: to keep Ashley on the show with us, Like, I

1011
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:27,800
Speaker 3: don't know, I think it would have been kind of

1012
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 3: cool if she'd always stuck around.

1013
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, it definitely would, but she.

1014
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 3: Needed to go star on her own TV show, so good.

1015
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 4: For her, that's right. Yeah, that would have been really cool. No,

1016
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 4: I think Sam was always meant for Brooke. She had

1017
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 4: to have been. But it would have been cool if

1018
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 4: Nathan and Haley had adopted that, that would have been great.

1019
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 5: That would have been neat.

1020
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, set a really great example. Actually an honorable mention?

1021
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 4: Oh gosh, what do you got?

1022
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:56,879
Speaker 3: What was your honorable mention?

1023
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 4: I didn't think about that this episode. I mean, can

1024
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 4: I make the scene between you and Millie my honor moment?

1025
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 5: Honestly, it's fine.

1026
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 3: Yes, I want us to do a dramatic reading next week,

1027
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:11,319
Speaker 3: so bad.

1028
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 4: I wish we had the script one hundred percent would

1029
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 4: read that with you right now. I was, I'm not

1030
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,399
Speaker 4: kidding her, everywounded three times, crying, laughing.

1031
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 5: Oh my god, so good. Yeah.

1032
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 3: I thank god was wearing a black sweatsuit because I

1033
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 3: did a full, actual spit take with coffee and was like,

1034
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:29,359
Speaker 3: here we go.

1035
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 4: Cut to sophiatur Anthony's cleaning coffee off the carpet in

1036
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 4: the hotel room.

1037
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 3: The fascination on my face and the absolute blank on Lisa's.

1038
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:45,359
Speaker 3: I'll never forget it, I'll never feel wheel. Yeah, let's

1039
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 3: see what a're most likely to is this week? Is

1040
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 3: it going to be most likely to move in with

1041
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 3: their boyfriend and never sleep with them.

1042
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 4: Oh, speaking of Sam, most.

1043
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 3: Likely to get arrested for shoplifting, I mean, well, yeah,

1044
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 3: on the show, it would absolutely be Sam Roope just

1045
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 3: didn't call the cops.

1046
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 5: That's right, that's right.

1047
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 3: Oh my god, we enjoyed we got arrested for shoplifting.

1048
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:17,320
Speaker 3: And really, you guys are the clothes over bros clothes?

1049
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:18,280
Speaker 5: That's right.

1050
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 3: Like there's a famous photo of you and me and

1051
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 3: Hillary in jail on the show for that.

1052
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 4: Oh, that's right, that was funny. I forgot only time

1053
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 4: I've ever worn an orange jumpsuit. Yeah, I don't know

1054
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 4: who in real life, I don't know who. Well, who

1055
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 4: would shoplift and then also get arrested for it.

1056
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:39,399
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1057
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 4: I'm too much of a chicken, no way. I can't

1058
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 4: even steal a pack of gum. I'd go home and

1059
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 4: not be able to fall asleep.

1060
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 3: I was like helping work at a fair at my

1061
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 3: school in the fourth grade, and I like picked up

1062
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 3: an eraser from one of the tables, and I don't

1063
00:54:57,600 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 3: know if I meant to or I just forgot her.

1064
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 3: I was walking around whatever two hours later, Like I

1065
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 3: realize I have an eraser in my pocket and I'm sobbing,

1066
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:09,840
Speaker 3: and I'm like, I took this, I stole it. I

1067
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 3: hadn't even gone home. I was like sobbing hysterically, and

1068
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 3: I don't know like it. I think it scarred me.

1069
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 4: For like sobbing because you thought you were going to

1070
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 4: be in trouble or.

1071
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 3: You, I mean maybe or I felt bad because I

1072
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 3: had put something in my pocket that didn't belong to me.

1073
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1074
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 3: I don't know what my plan was, like, I don't

1075
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 3: remember obviously, the more my brain was thinking in the

1076
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 3: fourth fourth grade, just like the hysterical weeping at like

1077
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:38,760
Speaker 3: the shame that I felt absolutely not I couldn't.

1078
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 4: It's not yeah me, no, no, I'm not a not

1079
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 4: a stealer. I don't know anyone on our show who is.

1080
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 4: I mean, the only thing I could think of is

1081
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:50,320
Speaker 4: someone who was like maybe trying to do something sneaky

1082
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 4: for fun and then it was bad at it. I

1083
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 4: don't know even who that would be though, either who

1084
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 4: would be bad at shoplifting if they had to do it.

1085
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 3: We're not good at this question.

1086
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 5: Probably Hillary.

1087
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 4: I feel like she would try and be like sneaky

1088
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 4: superspy and would just be clumsy and I don't know.

1089
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 3: Well, maybe the moral of the story is we should

1090
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 3: just all like try to not steal.

1091
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:22,320
Speaker 4: I think that's a good moral of the story. Don't steal.

1092
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 3: Probably what's good?

1093
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:25,399
Speaker 5: All right?

1094
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:29,800
Speaker 4: Next episode, Season six, Episode eleven, wee three, my echo,

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