WEBVTT - The OTHER rookie running backs 0:00:01.080 --> 0:00:04.800 Welcome to Fantasy Football Weekly, a production of I Heart Radio. 0:00:07.160 --> 0:00:10.880 Time now for Fantasy Football Weekly from I Heart Radio, 0:00:11.280 --> 0:00:15.160 your weekly source for the nation's best fantasy speculation and advice. 0:00:15.560 --> 0:00:19.000 Now along with the guys from fanball dot com. Here's 0:00:19.079 --> 0:00:25.440 the host for Fantasy Football Weekly. Welcome to Fantasy Football Weekly. 0:00:25.760 --> 0:00:29.720 A coronavirus version. Man, it is uh, it is different. 0:00:29.840 --> 0:00:32.360 It's a whole different landscape. It's weird out there. It's 0:00:32.400 --> 0:00:34.800 not weird here though. Although it's been a long time 0:00:34.840 --> 0:00:37.360 since Brian Johnson has been on Welcome back a charge. 0:00:37.360 --> 0:00:39.080 It is great to be back. And it is strange 0:00:39.080 --> 0:00:42.320 podcasting in a has Matt suit that we're wearing right now. 0:00:42.320 --> 0:00:45.800 I know, um the big yellow has Matt the helmet 0:00:45.800 --> 0:00:49.520 makes it really really weird. But better safe than sorry, right. 0:00:50.760 --> 0:00:52.960 It reminds me of what was the Dustin Hoffman movie, 0:00:53.240 --> 0:00:59.560 uh Renee Russo. Yeah, it's like it was like contagion, 0:00:59.680 --> 0:01:01.960 but it isn't that. It was Hot Zone, remember Red 0:01:02.000 --> 0:01:05.440 Hot Demmick or No. But I should play the board 0:01:06.400 --> 0:01:08.759 right now where the monkey brings the disease over. Yeah, 0:01:08.800 --> 0:01:11.240 we're living that. Yeah, that was that was a movie. 0:01:11.360 --> 0:01:13.840 You're right, and I just can't remember the name. Uh, 0:01:13.920 --> 0:01:16.560 somebody on Twitter will no doubt, we'll no doubt tweeted 0:01:16.640 --> 0:01:18.600 to us. Uh, speaking of which, people can follow you 0:01:18.640 --> 0:01:20.920 a Twitter at b t x J. Yeah, I'm still 0:01:20.959 --> 0:01:23.360 on Twitter. Absolutely, you're still on Twitter, And of course 0:01:23.440 --> 0:01:26.480 I am too. At Paul Charchi and last week myself 0:01:27.440 --> 0:01:29.400 our good friend Matt Harrison. We broke down the top 0:01:29.440 --> 0:01:33.200 six rookie running backs. But then I've charged you with 0:01:33.240 --> 0:01:35.880 a more difficult task. Give me the next tier running backs, 0:01:35.920 --> 0:01:38.440 I said, Brian, And you gave me five more guys. 0:01:39.080 --> 0:01:42.800 Some of these players are better than the guys we 0:01:42.880 --> 0:01:45.320 discussed last week. I was about to say, it's not 0:01:45.600 --> 0:01:48.120 it wasn't a difficult task to start. At least when 0:01:48.160 --> 0:01:50.080 we get into the first guy, she just dive right 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:52.720 in because yeah, Matt, Matt left me a little too 0:01:52.800 --> 0:01:56.640 much meat on the boone. Uh, specifically two forty seven 0:01:56.640 --> 0:02:00.240 pounds of meat the form of a J. Dillon from 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:04.680 Boston College six ft seven. Uh. Of course it's foot 0:02:04.840 --> 0:02:07.920 you mean. Running backs are not normally six ft tall, 0:02:08.000 --> 0:02:10.920 nor are they normally two hundred fifty pounds, And normally 0:02:10.960 --> 0:02:13.160 they don't go to the combine and record the highest 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:16.120 vertical leap, weighing in at two forty seven among among 0:02:16.200 --> 0:02:19.959 running backs, of course the highest. That's that's that's insane. Yeah, 0:02:20.000 --> 0:02:22.440 it's insane. And by the way, you'd think that all 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:24.440 of that would call that Matt body mass would cost 0:02:24.520 --> 0:02:28.440 him speed. He ran a four five three. A J. 0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:33.320 Dylon is a freak. Yeah, Clyde Edwards Hilaire who we 0:02:33.400 --> 0:02:40.000 also like six. So yeah, of course, landing spot matters 0:02:40.040 --> 0:02:43.080 for every rookie in draft capital, but yeah, Dylan's got 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:46.919 top five rookie running back. I think he's almost a 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:48.560 lock to be a top five rookie running back with 0:02:48.600 --> 0:02:51.440 top three upside. Yeah, depending on where class and depending 0:02:51.480 --> 0:02:52.920 where he lands is always the thing that we end 0:02:52.960 --> 0:02:54.720 up saying about all of these guys, so you almost 0:02:54.720 --> 0:02:57.200 shouldn't say it. It's almost like saying, well, if he 0:02:57.320 --> 0:03:00.560 stays healthy, dot dot dot um. You know, landing spot 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:02.120 is as a factor for all of these guys. But 0:03:02.639 --> 0:03:09.360 A J. Dillon has got three down workhorse potential that 0:03:09.440 --> 0:03:11.760 a lot of other backs in this draft do not have. 0:03:12.080 --> 0:03:14.680 His easiest comp is Derrick Henry right now. He looks 0:03:14.720 --> 0:03:17.520 like the next Derrick Henry basically, and he does have 0:03:17.600 --> 0:03:21.320 bell coal potential. Only caught thirteen passes last year, but 0:03:21.320 --> 0:03:24.200 he did turn those thirteen catches into a hundred yards. 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:27.480 That just tells me he's tough to bring down, whether running, 0:03:27.880 --> 0:03:29.520 running the ball, or catching the ball. Yeah, I love 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:32.160 a J. Dillon and uh yeah, I think he's like 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:33.919 I said, easily top five backs should have been in 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:36.400 the top six. But oh well. The part about a J. 0:03:36.520 --> 0:03:39.240 Dillon from Boston College that I like is from a 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:42.880 fantasy perspective, hundred percent chance he's getting the ball to stripe, 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:45.920 so you will get touchdown carries for sure. You mentioned 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:47.800 that he can catch. He's much more of a north 0:03:47.800 --> 0:03:50.440 south south runner like a lot of the heavier, bigger 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:55.600 guys are. But he's not a disaster laterally, um, and 0:03:56.000 --> 0:03:58.360 there are some other knocks in him. He's he's you know, 0:03:58.440 --> 0:04:00.960 getting that body that much body mass up to speed 0:04:01.000 --> 0:04:04.120 can take him a little while, but ultimately, as a 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:09.520 four five three forty showed, a J. Dylan can He's 0:04:09.600 --> 0:04:13.600 not slow by any means, and the balance is pretty good, 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:16.920 the footwork is pretty good. It's you know, he's got 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:18.880 the big, thick body that makes him a tough tackle. 0:04:19.400 --> 0:04:22.760 He can compress that body despite that size through smaller 0:04:22.880 --> 0:04:26.919 spaces and smaller running lanes. You know, Boston College had 0:04:26.960 --> 0:04:29.159 a good offensive line and they opened up some big 0:04:29.160 --> 0:04:33.040 holes for him. But it wasn't just him running through 0:04:33.120 --> 0:04:35.640 big lanes. But he can and I think the Derrick 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:38.359 Henry comp is is similar that way. Yeah, when it 0:04:38.360 --> 0:04:41.960 comes to Dynasty Empire leagues, I don't think he's gonna 0:04:42.040 --> 0:04:47.160 top the cam Akers, the Swifts, the Dobbins of the toft. 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:50.520 When it comes to redraft, Dylan could be the top 0:04:50.600 --> 0:04:52.920 rookie running back. I don't think he'd be the top. 0:04:53.080 --> 0:04:55.240 He won't be. He won't be any anywhere. He won't 0:04:55.240 --> 0:04:59.320 be at a tailor. It would take something remarkable. I think, 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:01.520 not a lock. But there's a chance. There's a chance. 0:05:02.360 --> 0:05:04.520 Um A J. Dillon is going to be a fantasy factor, 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:06.680 and I think sooner than later. Put him in your 0:05:06.720 --> 0:05:10.000 queue right now, Adam, I would take him over Zack 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:14.039 Moss for sure. I would take him over J. K. Dobbins. 0:05:14.120 --> 0:05:17.880 I believe maybe cam Acres. I think he's in. I 0:05:17.920 --> 0:05:22.080 think he's a top five fantasy runner for this season. 0:05:22.120 --> 0:05:24.760 A J. Dillon from Boston College. Let's go to your 0:05:24.760 --> 0:05:27.680 next running back. I believe you've got Keyshawn Vaughan from 0:05:27.760 --> 0:05:31.200 Vanderbilt next Shawn Vaughn, who uh is already getting a 0:05:31.240 --> 0:05:34.440 knock from being getting knocked for being too old year senior. 0:05:35.640 --> 0:05:39.119 That's not, that's not. Let's talk about that for a second. 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:42.640 With Keyshawn Vaughn, he started at Illinois and he couldn't 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:45.480 get enough playing time. So then he goes to Vanderbilt, 0:05:45.520 --> 0:05:48.920 which is not exactly a football powerhouse. Couldn't beat out 0:05:48.960 --> 0:05:53.320 a guy named Ralph Webb there, and then after Webb left, 0:05:53.360 --> 0:05:56.560 he put together back to back thousand yards seasons the 0:05:56.640 --> 0:05:59.520 last two years. So that's a little bit of the 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:03.880 drama that is surrounded Keishawn Vaughan, and that kind of 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:06.200 worries me a little bit. I'll be honest. When when 0:06:06.200 --> 0:06:10.280 you can't beat out Ralph Webb for playing time at Vanderbilt, 0:06:10.520 --> 0:06:13.320 I wonder how you're going to do in the NFL. Yeah. 0:06:13.360 --> 0:06:16.800 On the flip side, I'll play a good cop here. 0:06:16.920 --> 0:06:20.000 Nine carries over a thousand yards average five point two 0:06:20.040 --> 0:06:23.760 yards per carry, nine rushing touchdowns. According to Pro Football Focus, 0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:27.080 Vanderbilt finished with the lowest run blocking grade in the 0:06:27.120 --> 0:06:30.080 NC double A wow. So there's that, but the fact 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:31.839 that he wasn't a clear cut number one back on 0:06:31.920 --> 0:06:35.080 his own team, it's a little alarming. Uh yeah, I'm 0:06:35.080 --> 0:06:37.280 not nearly as excited about Keyshn Vaughan as I am 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:39.680 about A J. Dillon. To put it that way. Ran 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:42.080 a four or five one in the forty. Uh. Pretty 0:06:42.080 --> 0:06:45.120 good speed for running back, a little faster than Dylan. Uh. Yep, 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:47.600 he's got good size oh two five ten to fourteen. 0:06:47.640 --> 0:06:52.160 That's that's bellcal potential size two. So he's a easily 0:06:52.200 --> 0:06:54.520 inside the top ten. Of course our number eight running 0:06:54.520 --> 0:06:57.520 back here, but again, not nearly as exciting a J. Dillon. No, 0:06:57.640 --> 0:07:00.400 I don't think so either. Um, And to his credit, 0:07:00.800 --> 0:07:04.400 the Vanderbilt offensive lines awful and much like everything else 0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:06.880 in Vanderbilt football, not good. Good school, by the way, 0:07:06.920 --> 0:07:11.120 beautiful school, beautiful campus Vanderbilt, but lousy offensive line. He 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:14.160 overcame that a little bit and um rarely got caught 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:18.040 in the open field. He's pretty fast. Forty is not bad. 0:07:18.120 --> 0:07:21.280 And I think there's I just when I watched this guy, 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:24.320 when I watched Keishawn Vaughan, Brian, I'm trying to find 0:07:24.440 --> 0:07:28.040 something that there's some element to his game that says 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:30.800 success at the NFL level, and I just I couldn't 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:34.080 find it. So I'm not I'm just not I'm not 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:37.040 embracing Keishawn Vaughan yet, and I'm not ruling I'm not 0:07:37.040 --> 0:07:38.880 not ruling them out, but I'm not seeing it yet. 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:43.400 Catches not bad to last year, so he's you know, 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:45.920 that's been the thing that I found in almost every 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:48.080 all of the you know, will have gone through eleven 0:07:48.080 --> 0:07:50.800 backs when we're done between today's show and last week's show, 0:07:52.040 --> 0:07:54.920 they can all catch. None of them are Christian McCaffrey, 0:07:54.960 --> 0:07:58.160 but none of them none of them are stone handed either, 0:07:58.320 --> 0:08:00.440 which is kind of nice. All of these guys have 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:04.920 got room to expand upon the receiving skills that they 0:08:05.000 --> 0:08:07.520 showed in college, which I like. Um, I want to 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:09.560 take a quick break here and come back, and I 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:12.360 want to talk about the remaining three running backs, one 0:08:12.400 --> 0:08:16.920 of which well, one of which I'm really really fascinated by, 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:20.000 and to others that I'm intrigued by. We'll talk about 0:08:20.080 --> 0:08:24.760 Joshua Kelly, Eno, Benjamin and la Michael p Ryan when 0:08:24.800 --> 0:08:29.760 we return. Welcome back Fantasy Football Weekly offseason edition, looking 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:31.920 at rookies. Who thinks is gonna splash at the running 0:08:31.920 --> 0:08:35.400 back position. Who's gonna splash for fantasy owners in particular? 0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:39.120 Your next runner up is Joshua Kelly. Let's let's talk 0:08:39.160 --> 0:08:41.199 about the u c l A kid who ran behind 0:08:41.240 --> 0:08:44.200 a really bad U c l A offensive line and 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:47.160 was able to be productive anyway. Josh Kelly U c 0:08:47.320 --> 0:08:49.960 l A five eleven to twelve, ran a four four 0:08:50.120 --> 0:08:53.280 nine forty for reference, Uh, Cam Akers ran a four 0:08:53.360 --> 0:08:55.480 four seven and DeAndre Swift ran at four or four eight. 0:08:55.480 --> 0:08:58.000 So he's right right with those guys when it comes 0:08:58.040 --> 0:09:02.200 to flat out speed, has good hands, can pass protect, 0:09:02.360 --> 0:09:04.880 so he can play all three downs as well, played 0:09:04.920 --> 0:09:06.439 really well in the Senior Bowl, had a hundred and 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:08.560 five rushing yards, made a good case for himself there. 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:12.120 And uh, Matt Waldman, who runs the Rookie scouting portfolio, 0:09:12.559 --> 0:09:15.079 a lot of respect for as well. I really praises 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:18.320 Kelly for his diagnostic skills. Basically he's a good decision 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:21.600 maker out there. And well, that's that's a big factor definitely, 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:25.240 especially in the NFL. So, uh, last year at U 0:09:25.240 --> 0:09:28.360 c l A only average four point six yards per carry, 0:09:28.400 --> 0:09:30.480 did it have twelve touchdowns? Like you said? Not a 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:33.320 great line for the Bruins. And uh, he can catch 0:09:33.360 --> 0:09:35.680 the ball too, So yeah, I'm a big fan of Kelly. 0:09:35.840 --> 0:09:37.480 I'm already kind of want to move him ahead of 0:09:37.520 --> 0:09:41.319 Keyshawn Vaughan. I do, yeah, let's do. Let's do that, alright, done, alright, 0:09:41.320 --> 0:09:45.440 we're officially making that move. Um. I like Kelly. Uh, 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:49.080 I like that. He's a shifty north south runner with 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:52.760 good footwork that gives defenders a lot of bad angles 0:09:52.800 --> 0:09:55.079 for tackles. And I think you know, these are the 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:58.520 little things when you can just when your footwork can 0:09:58.600 --> 0:10:02.360 generate a a bit of a cut or a stutter 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:04.640 step that gives a defender a bad tackle. And then 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:06.880 you're big enough, like he is at five eleven to twelve, 0:10:07.920 --> 0:10:11.360 you're big enough to make that tackle not be precise. 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:13.920 Now you've just now you've broken tackle. And then here 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:15.960 comes the Jets because he's fast in the open field. 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:19.400 You mentioned the four four nine for dr dash time 0:10:19.960 --> 0:10:22.679 um at makes him for a guy his size and 0:10:22.760 --> 0:10:26.920 he's not gigantic, but he's big. Um, there are there's 0:10:26.920 --> 0:10:29.840 just there aren't a lot of there's not a lot 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:31.600 of weaknesses for him, and he's gonna break a bunch 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:34.679 of tackles. Um, I thought, I think he could. I 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:36.840 don't think he's elusive, but I do think he's a 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:40.760 tough tackle that makes sense upright running style, which can 0:10:40.800 --> 0:10:43.320 be good and bad some you know, some players can 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:46.680 handle that upright running style. For other players, it gives 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:51.439 defenders a big target to hit on the body. Joshua Kelly, 0:10:51.800 --> 0:10:55.360 I think I think there's again right placement for a 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:57.439 team that um that and he can be a three 0:10:57.480 --> 0:10:59.320 down back, which like so many of the backs in 0:10:59.320 --> 0:11:01.480 this draft, can be read down backs. UM. I think 0:11:01.520 --> 0:11:03.079 there's a lot to there's a lot to like in 0:11:03.160 --> 0:11:05.600 Kelley and somebody that's gonna go into Ultimately, in the 0:11:05.679 --> 0:11:08.200 right fit, he could be Tampa Bays starting running back 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:09.920 week one. And for what it's worth, I hear he 0:11:09.920 --> 0:11:12.720 gets praised for his character and stuff like that, so 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:16.080 that hopefully you won't get any did not plays because 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:18.760 suspensions or anything like that is there. And I don't 0:11:18.760 --> 0:11:21.240 think there's a bad character guy that I've run into 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:25.719 in this draft really so there always has been in 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:27.480 the past, even though I can't pinpoint one, but there's 0:11:27.520 --> 0:11:29.680 always like well, like Randy Moss was like one of 0:11:29.679 --> 0:11:32.839 the most famous bad character guys does does Briant too? 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:35.720 He fell pretty far in the draft. These are wide receivers, 0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:38.560 of course, but it's like Josh Kelly, let's go to 0:11:38.600 --> 0:11:41.120 the next running back. It will stay in the pack twelve. 0:11:41.200 --> 0:11:43.480 And Uh, I really like this guy, you know, Benjamin 0:11:43.480 --> 0:11:46.319 from Arizona State. I love him in Dynasty. He's only 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:50.400 twenty years old, doesn't turn twenty one until April five nine. 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:55.360 Two oh seven. I know must have been not the 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:57.360 Senior Bowl because he's not a senior. But he waited 0:11:57.360 --> 0:11:59.400 in it like one a couple of weeks before the 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:01.800 combine had everyone freaking out like, oh, he's not gonna 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:04.000 last in the NFL. Waiting at two oh seven. That 0:12:04.040 --> 0:12:06.520 was good to see. And outside of DeAndre Swift, I 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:10.000 think he's the best past catching back in this class. 0:12:10.800 --> 0:12:15.400 I'm calling for Swift an immediate PPR Impactevertino Lands Uh 0:12:15.440 --> 0:12:18.320 come draft day. Uh ran a four or five seven 0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:20.439 in the forty which is kind of map but uh 0:12:20.679 --> 0:12:23.200 mat I mean, but he impressed with his vertical jump 0:12:23.240 --> 0:12:27.960 and three cone time. Those events highlight athleticist athleticism, and uh, 0:12:28.120 --> 0:12:29.400 you had to put a lot of stock into those 0:12:29.400 --> 0:12:33.200 for running backs and in you know, rush for over 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:35.880 sixt dred yards and had five and a half yards 0:12:35.880 --> 0:12:40.880 per carry. But last year Arizona State like lost all 0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:44.320 their players through graduation basically, and you know, they had 0:12:44.320 --> 0:12:48.200 a freshman quarterback, a very green offensive line, and you know, 0:12:48.320 --> 0:12:51.040 really struggled for for those reasons. But it wasn't his fault. 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:54.200 And um, he's the guy I really like, and especially 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:56.440 in PPR, I think it will be an immediate factor 0:12:56.559 --> 0:12:59.559 fantasy football. Edo Benjamin is one of the best tackle 0:12:59.640 --> 0:13:02.120 break is in this draft. And when I was talking 0:13:02.160 --> 0:13:04.720 earlier about trying to find I couldn't find something that 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:07.640 I thought was really special about Keyshawn Vaughan at the 0:13:07.720 --> 0:13:10.760 NFL level, I Kennedy. No, you know, Benjamin, I can 0:13:10.760 --> 0:13:14.080 say to myself, this guy's tackle breaking ability is next 0:13:14.120 --> 0:13:17.040 level stuff. And I think that's the case. The elusiveness 0:13:17.120 --> 0:13:20.280 that the cutbacks that he makes, I love that part 0:13:20.280 --> 0:13:22.559 of his game. Some really nice footwork of time again 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:25.040 that makes them a tough tackle. Those are things that 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:26.640 I think we really translate for him. And you know, 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:30.440 Benjamin is um is somebody that's got I think next 0:13:30.559 --> 0:13:32.880 level skills. He can catch, he can be a three 0:13:32.880 --> 0:13:35.960 down back. I love the burst that he's got um. 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:38.199 And you know, I've seen some people not that the 0:13:38.240 --> 0:13:40.960 Arizona States spread offense might not translate for his skills 0:13:40.960 --> 0:13:43.240 in the NFL, But I I think I think running 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:46.080 back so instinctive. If you can break tackles in the 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:48.800 open field in college the way he can, I think 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:51.120 most of that translates. I am showing a little bit 0:13:51.120 --> 0:13:53.760 of favoritism towards, you know, because he was my very 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:56.880 first and only Devy player that I did a Devvy 0:13:57.000 --> 0:13:59.600 Dynasty league. You did okay? In the draft was last 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:01.599 summer for those who don't know. In debute leagues you 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:05.920 can draft college players. Wait on him from high school school. 0:14:06.440 --> 0:14:08.240 You didn't go that hardcore, but I drafted, you know. 0:14:08.240 --> 0:14:10.320 So he's my very first debut player. So all right, 0:14:10.360 --> 0:14:12.160 I'm pulling for him. I was wondering why you were 0:14:12.200 --> 0:14:15.760 talking up you know, Benjamin, like in December or on 0:14:15.840 --> 0:14:19.760 the office. Why do we care about him yet? But 0:14:19.840 --> 0:14:22.720 that explains it, you know, Benjamin Arizona State. I mean, 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:27.840 you think of Arizona State and you think of alcohol poisoning. 0:14:28.480 --> 0:14:31.200 You don't really think of like a great football heritage here. 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:33.640 But he might be the one that that breaks the mold. 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:38.480 Did Jake Plumber go to y Yeah? Was there anybody else? 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:41.600 I can't think of anybody else. I'm almost positive Jake 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:45.680 Plumber went to Arizona State. I love Jake Plumber. I 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:47.880 thought he was going to be a Hall of Fame 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:51.560 caliber quarterback when he was in college. And then he 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:55.600 went to the Cardinals, right, and it didn't do much. 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:57.240 And then he went to the Broncos, and I think 0:14:57.240 --> 0:14:59.880 he played better for the Broncos and played for a while, right. 0:15:00.400 --> 0:15:03.600 I remember it Madden O for Jake Plumber and Clinton Portist. 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:07.080 You can't stop me back in those days. I think 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:10.920 Jake Plumer is like he's he's up in like Oregon 0:15:11.200 --> 0:15:12.680 getting high every day. But I think he's like a 0:15:12.720 --> 0:15:16.520 really good disc golfer. He's in one. He's like professional 0:15:16.640 --> 0:15:20.000 disc golfer right now, professional off sport like something. Are 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:23.360 you suggesting there's a there is a crossover between people 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:25.280 who like to get high and people who play disc golf? 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:28.320 Is that way? Is that the controversial stand that you're 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:31.760 taking right now? A bit of correlation there? Okay, I'm 0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:33.520 very curious about Jake Plumber, but I'll look it up, 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:35.600 you know, you know, look it up now. I'm kind 0:15:35.600 --> 0:15:39.120 of curious. And meanwhile, I'll give the introduction to La 0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:42.520 Michael p Rhyan. Yes, this is the same family that 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:46.480 generated Somaj p Ryan. And if you're the kind of 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:49.640 parent that will name your child Somaj, then you're probably 0:15:49.680 --> 0:15:54.040 the kind of parent that will spell La Michael as 0:15:55.040 --> 0:16:02.160 L a apostrophe capital M. I see a L. There's 0:16:02.240 --> 0:16:05.200 nothing about that that really feels like La Michael. And 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:08.040 you're trying too hard, but you're the same brain power 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:11.720 that that put gave us Somaj. So okay, at least 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:14.320 I can at least you can pronounce it. La Michael 0:16:14.480 --> 0:16:16.680 is pretty easy when you hear it. It's just you. 0:16:16.720 --> 0:16:20.080 When you see it, you're like, whoa L m P 0:16:20.600 --> 0:16:22.720 l m P. I kind of like that, Uh he 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:26.120 went to Florida. Um. I think he's got some special 0:16:26.160 --> 0:16:28.880 traits too. I think right now I'm gonna tell you 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:31.360 he's gonna a better career than Somaj did, which isn't 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:34.880 saying much, I realize, but I think La Michael looks 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:37.560 like a better play to me player to me. I 0:16:37.560 --> 0:16:40.840 saw I see a guy with who played fast, but 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:44.240 he only ran a four six two at the combine, 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:46.400 I'm like four. I'm looking at him, and I'm like, 0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:49.520 there's nothing about his tape game tape that says four 0:16:49.640 --> 0:16:52.280 six two. No, he's way more of a downhill runner 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:53.840 and that that speaks to his forty times. He's like 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:55.640 a one cut and go kind of guy. He's not 0:16:55.880 --> 0:16:59.320 super super fast, super elusive, but uh and you may 0:16:59.360 --> 0:17:01.360 you mentioned you one to Florida. They also had an 0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:04.440 awful offensive line last year, which did him no favors. 0:17:04.440 --> 0:17:06.640 He had forty catches too, so you gotta like pin 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:10.840 in a PPR format. Um. Yeah, not a ton to 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:13.880 say about him. He's like a lot of poor Man's 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:16.639 Eno Benjamin, but he's right ball park with him. To me, 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:18.760 I don't know, but I mean, you know, I I 0:17:18.800 --> 0:17:22.119 saw stuff. I I like that he was a strong 0:17:22.240 --> 0:17:24.760 runner um, although they tended to not use them on 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:26.720 inside runs a lot. But I like that about the 0:17:26.840 --> 0:17:29.879 Michael p. Ryan Um. He's north south. He does not 0:17:29.960 --> 0:17:31.919 have a ton of lateral speed, which worries me a 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:34.879 little bit. Mostly runs at one speed, but it's pretty 0:17:34.880 --> 0:17:38.200 fast and you'll see him just breaking away from defenders. 0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:42.800 And again when you when you watch him run, he 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:45.640 runs fast. It just I just doesn't see it didn't 0:17:45.640 --> 0:17:48.320 translate at the combine. Nimble at the first level, you'll 0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:50.080 see make a lot of moves at the line of 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:53.200 scrimmage to give himself some extra space. And then he's 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:56.480 got this zippiness to him, and the Michael preyn looks 0:17:56.520 --> 0:17:59.640 like he's often running, and oftentimes he is. So there 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:01.720 were a lot of things that I liked about p Ryan, 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:04.159 and I think I think he can translate to the 0:18:04.160 --> 0:18:06.800 next level. I'm not as confident about him. Is like 0:18:06.880 --> 0:18:09.680 a j Dillon and Eno Benjamin who I think looked, 0:18:09.720 --> 0:18:12.760 you know, to me stronger. Joshua Kelly too, But I 0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:14.679 think there's a spot for the Michael p Ryan to 0:18:15.040 --> 0:18:17.800 help fantasy owners at some point down the road. Agreed 0:18:19.119 --> 0:18:21.800 one more right, I can't find what I'm looking for 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:24.320 on Jake Plumber. I'm bummed. Just I just like to 0:18:24.359 --> 0:18:26.679 know what the career trajectory was. I mean, it was 0:18:26.720 --> 0:18:30.560 Arizona for how long? Denver? How long? Um I should 0:18:30.560 --> 0:18:35.080 have had my laptop open. I didn't. By Arizona Arizona 0:18:36.240 --> 0:18:39.400 six years and then four with Denver and he retired 0:18:39.400 --> 0:18:41.080 at thirty two. He was young. He just didn't want 0:18:41.080 --> 0:18:43.199 to play anymore really from what I recall, and I 0:18:43.200 --> 0:18:45.879 think you might be right about that. Let's see if 0:18:47.440 --> 0:18:49.600 a little Jake Locker to him, maybe we're just the 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:51.840 love of the game, wasn't there. Yeah, he only had 0:18:52.480 --> 0:18:58.920 went for over twenty passing touchdowns once. That's it. I mean, 0:18:58.960 --> 0:19:01.080 even though there wasn't even though the game was not 0:19:01.200 --> 0:19:03.320 the same then it was there by the way it was, 0:19:03.400 --> 0:19:06.440 it was Arizona State, right, We weren't totally win totally 0:19:06.520 --> 0:19:10.159 whiff on that did wes Pro Football Reference really not 0:19:10.240 --> 0:19:12.280 tell you where they went to college? Now, it's in there. 0:19:12.359 --> 0:19:15.000 You might have to hit the more bio right under there. 0:19:15.440 --> 0:19:18.240 It's got to be in there. Plumber Zona State, Okay, 0:19:18.240 --> 0:19:20.880 good plumber You know he always had he had kid 0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:24.520 good wheels, and fantast was kept hoping he was going 0:19:24.600 --> 0:19:28.680 to ultimately style them with a lot of rushing touchdowns 0:19:28.720 --> 0:19:31.159 and rushing yards. But that never happened either. Really, he 0:19:31.240 --> 0:19:33.920 was more just a scrambler. He was, you know, I'm 0:19:33.920 --> 0:19:37.040 not calling him Fran Tarkington, but he was a scrambling 0:19:37.080 --> 0:19:40.160 quarterback who never really generated a bunch of like rushing 0:19:40.440 --> 0:19:42.800 notable rushing yards. In fact, I'm gonna I'm gonna go 0:19:42.800 --> 0:19:44.639 and lib and say that the most rushing touchdowns he 0:19:44.680 --> 0:19:46.600 had in a season, if you can look there would 0:19:46.880 --> 0:19:52.880 his season high for Jake Plumber and rushing touchdowns three two. 0:19:53.240 --> 0:19:56.480 It's gonna be two or three in anyone given season. Yeah, 0:19:56.480 --> 0:20:01.320 four and four to zero, zero to three, one to one. 0:20:01.480 --> 0:20:05.440 Never never over three yards either. They just that part 0:20:05.520 --> 0:20:07.720 never really came together. But you know, if you were 0:20:07.760 --> 0:20:12.360 drafted today in the U, in the Lamar Jackson era, 0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:15.840 Jake Plumber, they probably be running him like crazy. Why not. 0:20:16.320 --> 0:20:18.080 I just can't believe how much you' talking about Jake Plumber. 0:20:18.600 --> 0:20:21.440 Who saw it coming? Yeah, you didn't know. Crazy things 0:20:21.480 --> 0:20:24.080 happened when you're quarantined. It's also the off season. Yeah, 0:20:24.080 --> 0:20:27.120 that's right. We're quarantined at a house. So the quarantine League. 0:20:27.119 --> 0:20:30.160 I told you about this, right, Yeah, tell me about 0:20:30.160 --> 0:20:33.000 the quarantine League. It's you know, it's ever evolving and 0:20:33.080 --> 0:20:36.480 just thought of it like the other day. But quarantine league. 0:20:36.560 --> 0:20:39.760 So we're playing each other right in fancy football standard head, 0:20:39.760 --> 0:20:41.439 You and I are in this in the league, and 0:20:41.600 --> 0:20:45.120