WEBVTT - Draft Show: Show and Tell 0:00:03.720 --> 0:00:09.360 This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your 0:00:09.480 --> 0:00:13.240 war room for incenter news and draft analysis from deep 0:00:13.280 --> 0:00:17.160 within the confines of Cowboys Headquarters at the Star in Frisco, 0:00:17.480 --> 0:00:30.240 Dallas Cowboys and now your host, Kyle Yeomans. Today is Thursday, 0:00:30.360 --> 0:00:34.040 February ninth. We are now seventy one or seventy eight 0:00:34.120 --> 0:00:38.239 days away from the NFL Draft in Kansas City, and 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:41.279 welcome in to the Draft Show presented by Miller Light, 0:00:41.440 --> 0:00:45.000 live from the SWBC studios at the Star in Frisco. 0:00:45.440 --> 0:00:48.720 I'm here with Aisha Morrison. I'm Kyle Yeomans. We've got 0:00:48.760 --> 0:00:50.720 Chris Beam in the back and now on the phone 0:00:50.760 --> 0:00:54.720 lines wearing his Raesis Senior Bowl shirt because we saw 0:00:54.720 --> 0:00:56.480 it for as split second. You're not gonna see him 0:00:56.480 --> 0:00:57.840 on the video, but you're gonna hear him for the 0:00:57.840 --> 0:01:00.320 rest of the episode. Our very own Brian and brought 0:01:00.400 --> 0:01:03.280 us live from a radio row out at the Super Bowl. Brian, 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:06.520 glad to have you back. Buddy. How is Glendale? How's 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:09.240 it going up there? Well, it's going great, guys. It's 0:01:09.240 --> 0:01:11.960 good to be if my Scout buddies as always. Yeah, 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:13.800 it's been a lot of fun, a lot of really 0:01:13.800 --> 0:01:18.320 cool interviews. It could be very hectic, but you'll be 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:21.520 surprised how many people will walk up to you and 0:01:21.560 --> 0:01:25.360 start talking about the draft. I mean it's like, you know, 0:01:25.400 --> 0:01:27.920 you're They're like, hey, you're that guy that talks about 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:31.240 the draft. I'm like, yeah, yeah, so the next thing, 0:01:31.280 --> 0:01:34.000 you know, so, yeah, the draft shows known worldwide here 0:01:34.040 --> 0:01:36.200 and a lot of folks are very very interested in it. 0:01:36.280 --> 0:01:39.319 And I'm excited to be with you guys today. I'm 0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:41.600 looking forward to being with you guys in studio next week. 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:44.399 And you know, it's one of those things technology and 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:46.880 old people never seem to work very well together. So 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:49.280 we'll figure it out one day. Beam did a heck 0:01:49.280 --> 0:01:50.760 of a job trying to get me to you. I 0:01:50.800 --> 0:01:53.040 just couldn't quite make it. That's okay, Well, we've got 0:01:53.080 --> 0:01:54.600 you on the phone and that's going to be great 0:01:54.760 --> 0:01:57.640 throughout the rest of the episode. Now, you mentioned people 0:01:57.680 --> 0:02:00.720 coming up to you and talking draft. Of course your 0:02:00.800 --> 0:02:04.480 your world known as well. Who's the Who's the biggest 0:02:04.520 --> 0:02:06.400 person that's come up to you so far on Radio 0:02:06.480 --> 0:02:10.680 Row and wanted to talk draft? Who's well number one? Yeah, Well, 0:02:10.960 --> 0:02:13.920 you know it's funny. Michael Lombardi and I used to 0:02:13.960 --> 0:02:17.440 work together in Philadelphia and ran a draft together, and 0:02:17.560 --> 0:02:19.959 you know, we were kind of talking about Dallas philosophy 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:22.480 and stuff like that. He was he does a show 0:02:22.520 --> 0:02:24.720 on this and you know, and I do my stuff 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:27.800 on one to Fly three the fan Michael Silver, you know, 0:02:27.840 --> 0:02:31.320 who's a very well respected was NFL network guy and 0:02:31.480 --> 0:02:34.400 things like that. It's just it's funny, you you kind 0:02:34.400 --> 0:02:37.679 of um. I was even talking with Jim McMahon about 0:02:37.720 --> 0:02:40.079 it a little bit. I had a chance to reminisce 0:02:40.120 --> 0:02:42.079 with Jim who I was with in Green Bay, and 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:45.280 he was talking about the Bears and stuff and you know, 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:47.280 what do you do with the pick and things like that. 0:02:47.440 --> 0:02:51.079 So it's funny just people they know what your background 0:02:51.240 --> 0:02:53.880 is and they just feel like, well, yeah, I've seen 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:55.720 you do this before. I've seen you talk about this, 0:02:55.800 --> 0:03:00.400 sou But yeah, it's it never it never stops. You know, 0:03:00.440 --> 0:03:04.880 we're gonna break and somebody will wander over and you know, 0:03:05.000 --> 0:03:07.440 visit like the Raiders are here, that my buddies from 0:03:07.440 --> 0:03:09.000 the biggest Raiders are here. So I went down and 0:03:09.320 --> 0:03:11.280 they're already planning on, Hey, how can we get you 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:13.640 on to talk about the draft? So it's it just 0:03:13.720 --> 0:03:16.720 never stopped. No, it doesn't. It doesn't at all. So 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:19.200 this is your first year covering the draft with us. 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:22.320 But what's the biggest thing that's kind of stood out 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:24.560 to you to this point? I mean, because like Brian said, 0:03:24.560 --> 0:03:28.320 it never really stops up until April thirtieth, I mean, 0:03:28.520 --> 0:03:31.720 it's go, go go. But what's been your best impression 0:03:31.720 --> 0:03:34.480 of it so far? So far? I think my biggest 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:38.200 thing I'm taking away from the draft is just how 0:03:38.240 --> 0:03:42.080 different we all see the game. Like I can see 0:03:42.600 --> 0:03:45.400 I can look at a player and then I That's 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:47.440 why I'm really not active on Twitter right now. It's 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:50.480 just being straight up with y'all, like, because there's so 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:54.160 many different opinions about players that I don't want nothing 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:56.720 to sway me from what I'm seeing unless you know 0:03:56.800 --> 0:04:00.000 we're having that discussion about Like, but that's my big 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:03.040 this thing is that so many people see players differently, 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:06.960 and then also certain teams may see players differently because 0:04:06.960 --> 0:04:08.440 I might look at a guy and be like, oh, well, 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:11.000 he doesn't he doesn't separate well, but a team might 0:04:11.000 --> 0:04:13.840 be looking at a possession receiver. So that's just the 0:04:13.880 --> 0:04:16.440 biggest thing I'm noticing is like what I see is 0:04:16.480 --> 0:04:19.599 not what everyone else sees, and to be respectful of 0:04:19.680 --> 0:04:23.800 other people's thoughts and then to evaluate from there. I issue. 0:04:23.839 --> 0:04:26.000 What you gotta remind him about is that ice cream, 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:29.520 Buddy man. First thing, first thing you ask him me 0:04:29.560 --> 0:04:32.000 is hey, what's your favorite favorite flavor? And they tell 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:35.279 you chocolate, and you're a rocky road person. Just remind 0:04:35.360 --> 0:04:37.480 him to scout. He's a little bit like ice cream. 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:39.840 We all love ice creaming. We all love ice cream 0:04:39.880 --> 0:04:41.719 at the end of the day, we just have different 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:44.200 flavors that we love. If you like chocolate ice cream, no, 0:04:44.320 --> 0:04:47.920 I'm a little little worried you're not a chocolate ice 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:51.440 cream Listen something. Some things don't need to beat chocolate. 0:04:51.600 --> 0:04:54.160 And I think those ice cream really Okay, this is 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:59.360 a completely separate discussion. This is a whole different issue. 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:02.760 It's it's the offseason. I'm gonna come on like girls talk, 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:07.359 boys talk, and we're gonna know. Okay. So, speaking of 0:05:07.360 --> 0:05:10.719 different flavors of ice cream and speaking of these these players, 0:05:10.800 --> 0:05:14.400 this is this might be my favorite part of the 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:18.440 draft process because it's informational gathering. We're drinking from a 0:05:18.480 --> 0:05:21.320 fire hose. We're learning about these prospects. We're finally seeing 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:23.240 these all star games, We're seeing the Senior Bowl, in 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:26.160 the Shrine Game, and all of these different aspects that 0:05:26.279 --> 0:05:28.800 lead up to the combine. And then really once the 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:31.800 combine hits, that's when you're really ranking. That's when you're 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:34.520 starting to put players versus players and you're really starting 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:36.800 to hit it. Brian, based off of what you were 0:05:36.800 --> 0:05:39.520 able to look at from the Senior Bowl last week, 0:05:39.560 --> 0:05:41.240 I mean, this is probably the last time we'll hit 0:05:41.279 --> 0:05:43.239 on the Senior Bowl. But I wanted to get your thoughts. 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:47.000 What position groups stood out the most to you if 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:51.159 you had to pick one that evaluation wise, really jumped 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:53.839 off the chart to you. Yeah, I think that. To me, 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:56.560 I really like what I saw with this defensive lineman 0:05:56.600 --> 0:05:58.719 and stuff like God, I mean, that was something to me. 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:01.760 And that's just one of those hard positions to to 0:06:01.960 --> 0:06:04.120 kind of focus on, I mean, not to focus on, 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:07.440 but man, you can make a break your team when 0:06:07.440 --> 0:06:10.280 you start to talk about these defensive linemen. And you know, 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:12.800 and I really do like I think the Senior Ball 0:06:12.839 --> 0:06:15.440 I'm friends with Jim Naggi, the director of it. I 0:06:15.440 --> 0:06:19.000 think they do a tremendous job overall of bringing this 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:22.160 all and focus. I really really like the fact that 0:06:22.200 --> 0:06:24.479 you know, there's some of these quarterbacks too that you 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:27.720 know they're not really the top level guys, But what 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:30.000 you were doing was you were studying guys that were 0:06:30.040 --> 0:06:32.200 probably in the middle of this draft. I thought that 0:06:32.279 --> 0:06:35.279 was really a cool aspect about it as well. And 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:37.600 not to mention if you're the Cowboys, if you're going 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:40.800 to take a quarterback, it's gonna line up probably where 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:42.360 those guys were going to be taken, and we hit 0:06:42.400 --> 0:06:46.640 a couple of them yesterday with Clayton Tune and Max 0:06:46.760 --> 0:06:51.200 Duggan from TCAU. Tune from from Houston. You mentioned the 0:06:51.279 --> 0:06:55.400 defensive line and Aisha's pet Kat has been in that 0:06:55.400 --> 0:06:58.240 that conversation on the defensive line. Who were some of 0:06:58.240 --> 0:07:01.520 the names that that really popped off the chart for you? Well, 0:07:01.520 --> 0:07:03.839 that's the one I was really really focused on right 0:07:03.880 --> 0:07:06.320 there to me because again, Aisha was on that one 0:07:06.400 --> 0:07:08.920 really really really early. And what I've tried to look 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:11.320 at for the Cowboys aspect is, Okay, where are you 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:14.560 going to find that potential that defensive tackle. Where are 0:07:14.560 --> 0:07:17.600 you going to find that guy that maybe and you know, 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:19.880 like I said, she she was. I remember very early 0:07:19.960 --> 0:07:22.440 in this process, she says, you got to watch this guy. 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:24.680 And I'm like, ye'a'll get I'm getting to him. I'm 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:28.880 trying about you know, from Wisconsin. She said that name, 0:07:28.920 --> 0:07:30.840 and you and I were both like, what, We've got 0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:33.360 some homework to do. Yeah and so yeah, and I was, 0:07:33.400 --> 0:07:35.960 you know, and I just I think that Dallas to me, 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:38.040 you know, you're looking at that, You're looking at that 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:40.480 free technique and you're just kind of like going, or 0:07:40.480 --> 0:07:43.160 they know the one those inside players, and you're just saying, 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:45.720 who could be that guy? Because it looks like the Cowboys. 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:48.560 You know, we'll see with with OsO Diggi Zol. We 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:50.680 felt like that he was making some progress in there. 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:53.320 We've talked about Carlos Watkins a bunch, you know what 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:55.360 he was able to do. Aisha brought up something that 0:07:55.480 --> 0:07:58.640 was really really good about about Watkins's You know, his 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:01.640 mindset is one thing's changed when he got released to 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:04.800 when he came back. But yeah, you know that defensive 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:08.400 tackle spot, you're just watching that going, Okay, somebody show 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:11.320 me something here, Somebody show me what they can you know, 0:08:11.360 --> 0:08:13.360 how they can play in this thing. And h and 0:08:13.480 --> 0:08:16.440 be really really effective. And I I think that's the one. 0:08:16.480 --> 0:08:18.800 If you're if you're a fan of you know, looking 0:08:18.840 --> 0:08:20.800 for a guy looking for a tackle, that's a really 0:08:20.800 --> 0:08:25.520 good place to start. Yeah. Him um. I asked Dane yesterday, Brian, 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:29.920 I said, if you had to choose between Benton, Um, 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:33.120 if you had to choose from Keano Benton from Wisconsin, 0:08:34.080 --> 0:08:38.520 I don't want him at at at a tamawa at 0:08:38.559 --> 0:08:43.640 a barre yep, Addie Addie Bari Yes from Northwestern him 0:08:43.920 --> 0:08:49.680 and uh Carl Brooks from Bowling Green. Yeah, amazing who's 0:08:49.720 --> 0:08:52.600 out of those guys? And I agree with you on 0:08:52.679 --> 0:08:55.520 the DT thing is that you know, Carlos Watkins had 0:08:55.559 --> 0:08:59.040 a calf and in this last game, so you know 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:01.640 he was a key, key guy that they brought back. 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:04.800 But the DT position, even from what you saw from Hankins, 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:08.240 having that guy in there, a big true nose in there, 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:11.480 sure really helped their your linebackers, and I think it 0:09:11.520 --> 0:09:13.280 helped your edge players kind of be able to play 0:09:13.280 --> 0:09:15.640 a little bit more free as well. So I'm I'm 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:17.800 looking at DT because I really think that that could 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:19.960 be somewhere that they go. I think you're spot on 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:22.959 because you look at look at John Ridgeway's pick last year. 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:26.160 They're trying They're trying to find this big nose tackle. 0:09:26.360 --> 0:09:29.040 They're trying to find somebody to replace Quentin Bohannah at 0:09:29.080 --> 0:09:31.360 the same time, because they'd spent a draft pick on 0:09:31.440 --> 0:09:33.600 him a couple of years ago and he's been okay, 0:09:33.920 --> 0:09:37.040 he hasn't been necessarily that guy. They brought in Jonathan Hankins. 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:39.480 Hankins was probably the best out of the bunch in 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:42.560 terms of a space eater, multiple gap guy in the 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:46.240 middle of that defense. They haven't found that big nose 0:09:46.280 --> 0:09:49.720 tackle piece that can kind of be the early domino 0:09:49.800 --> 0:09:53.120 to fall for dan Quinn's system. And they might be 0:09:53.160 --> 0:09:55.240 able to find that in this draft. And I think 0:09:55.240 --> 0:09:57.640 there are guys it could even be a three technique 0:09:57.679 --> 0:10:00.760 if you really wanted to. But Brian, you're looking at 0:10:00.800 --> 0:10:03.800 the way that Dallas has drafted defensive tackles over these 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:07.240 last few years, does it deter you at all from 0:10:07.280 --> 0:10:10.600 the three technique? Because you mentioned Osa Digizua, he's starting 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:13.280 a pan out. You moved Chauncy Gholst into three technique. 0:10:13.600 --> 0:10:17.120 Then you also have Neville Gallimore, who hasn't necessarily voted 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:19.440 the way that he thought he would as a third 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:23.640 round pick. Do you maybe hesitate on working at three 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:27.760 technique if there's a really good nose tackle or vice versa. Well, 0:10:27.920 --> 0:10:30.040 I think a lot of it, guys. You know, as 0:10:30.080 --> 0:10:34.840 we watched this team through the years, was really dictated 0:10:34.920 --> 0:10:38.480 on what Rod Marinelli wanted from his defensive lineman. And 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:41.160 I think the way that I think with Dan Quinn, 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:45.520 who is a former defensive line coach himself, and then 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:48.120 with a D you know they're being as a line coach. 0:10:48.559 --> 0:10:51.079 I think that to me, that that focus for so 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:55.600 many years under the Jason Garrett administration, when Rod Marinelli 0:10:55.720 --> 0:10:58.319 was here. You know, Rod was always like, oh you 0:10:58.520 --> 0:11:01.120 you could go find that one techniq somewhere or somewhere 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:03.560 else or you know, you know whatever. You know, I 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:06.880 reminded him that like well Man Booker McFarland, I think 0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:08.840 was a first round pick, you know, I mean that 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:12.240 was your one technique with Warren Sapp playing the three, 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:15.560 so you know you did address that with a premium pick. 0:11:16.080 --> 0:11:18.240 You know, for the over those years, it was really 0:11:18.600 --> 0:11:22.680 you know, it was kind of a neglected position. And uh, 0:11:22.760 --> 0:11:25.360 you know, I think that's currently changed. You know, Dan, 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:27.880 I think Dan when you know, when Dan was out 0:11:27.920 --> 0:11:30.800 of the league for that year and had to reevaluate 0:11:30.840 --> 0:11:33.719 where his defense was, it was, you know, like, I 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:35.960 can't play with this guy. I can't play with that 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:38.120 type of guy. Can't. Well, I've got to include this guy, 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:41.559 you know. I think that's where we've involved to right now, 0:11:41.760 --> 0:11:44.319 is with the Cowboys. Is you know they went out 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:46.679 and made a trade for Hankins. You know, there's there's 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:49.680 a time a former administrations that wouldn't have done that. 0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:51.680 They wouldn't have gone out and got the three hundred 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:54.360 and thirty pound defensive lineman, just wouldn't have done it. 0:11:54.400 --> 0:11:56.839 And I think that the fact that you're more open 0:11:56.960 --> 0:12:01.080 now to take in those kinds of guys because there's 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:04.720 a lot of these defensive tackles that come into play, 0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:08.160 you know, especially with these one technique guys. You know, 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:10.840 a guy at Baylor three hundred and fifty eight pounds, 0:12:11.360 --> 0:12:13.440 you know that, you know those the kind of thing 0:12:13.920 --> 0:12:17.320 Smith from Michigan three hundred and thirty seven pounds. You know, 0:12:17.400 --> 0:12:19.640 these are these are big guys, and there used to 0:12:19.640 --> 0:12:23.760 be a time where you didn't really see the previous 0:12:23.800 --> 0:12:27.360 group really look at those those kind of players. And Brian, 0:12:27.480 --> 0:12:30.120 I want to ask you, with that being said, looking 0:12:30.160 --> 0:12:33.160 at how the Cowboys have drafted a DT this last 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:36.600 two three years, since since um dan quinn has been here, 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:38.880 one thing I've noticed is that a lot of the 0:12:38.920 --> 0:12:43.760 guys they've drafted had some pass rush ability. And so 0:12:45.040 --> 0:12:46.920 you know, when you look at Nevill Gallimore, I mean 0:12:46.920 --> 0:12:48.840 that kind of was something I saw with him, and 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:51.600 that was actually something you saw at Bohannah. So with 0:12:51.720 --> 0:12:54.920 that being said, do you think that that's something they 0:12:55.040 --> 0:12:58.840 maybe stray away from a little bit more saying that 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:01.880 you saw Hankins come in and not he did obviously 0:13:01.920 --> 0:13:05.160 have some past opportunities that he did a few things, 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:07.960 but he really was there to just eat up double 0:13:08.000 --> 0:13:10.600 teams and just make it easier because you have so 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:13.960 much depth on the edge. So I wonder if that 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:16.440 approach that they've had in the last couple of years, 0:13:16.520 --> 0:13:19.800 if it changes, given the Bohannah thing is not what 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:22.840 you thought it was going to be. The Neville Gallimore 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:24.320 things not what you thought it was going to be. 0:13:24.360 --> 0:13:27.920 Ohso Diggi Zuua, I think definitely is coming along. I 0:13:27.960 --> 0:13:29.920 felt like his rum fits were so much better towards 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:33.160 the end of the year, but he has pass rush 0:13:33.200 --> 0:13:36.320 ability and I think he's still great. But when you're 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:40.520 talking about, hey, a one tech, we've seen what a 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:43.760 one tech that's just the one tech we do for 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:46.040 this defense, I wonder if they stray away from what 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:48.320 they've been doing because it hasn't worked out the way 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:50.560 that maybe they looked at it. Man, you bring up 0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:54.000 a great point, because you know, drafting is all about 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:56.600 trying to eliminate the mistakes that you made in the 0:13:56.640 --> 0:13:59.760 past exactly, you know, I mean you're like, Okay, when 0:13:59.800 --> 0:14:02.160 we were looking at these one techniques, were we looking 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:04.880 for one techniques that were pass rushers that are that 0:14:05.000 --> 0:14:06.680 have the ability? I mean, you're not gonna get many 0:14:06.679 --> 0:14:09.520 one techniques that it's very very rare. I mean, you know, 0:14:09.880 --> 0:14:13.679 we know the guy down in Tampa the first one 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:15.959 that came to my mind too. Yeah, when you watched him, 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:17.800 come out of watching him, I mean you you saw 0:14:18.000 --> 0:14:21.440 like you were like, Okay, this guy gets I mentioned 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:23.720 and Kyle doing my last name on kid at Baylor. 0:14:23.760 --> 0:14:25.120 I want to make sure I pronounce it right to 0:14:25.160 --> 0:14:27.680 Beata's attach. What's his name? How do you say it's 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:31.640 last ye Eka? Okay Eca okay? I just want to 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:33.440 make sure I said it right, because I'll jack that 0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:36.000 up in a heart beat. But Ika, you know, he 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:38.360 was one of these guys that, you know, when you 0:14:38.360 --> 0:14:41.240 start to talk about again, three hundred and fifty eight pounds, 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:43.480 you could play him as a true nose. You could 0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:45.960 play him as a one. I mean, he's got speed, 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:49.280 he's got quickness, he's always on the move. He's never 0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:52.200 you know, you rarely see him slow down or you know, 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:55.360 you know, get stopped. And so you know, you kind 0:14:55.360 --> 0:14:58.080 of like you're like, man, this guy does enough of 0:14:58.120 --> 0:15:01.080 like getting rid of blockers and and kind of getting 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:05.640 into the backfield as a pass rusher. And so you know, 0:15:05.760 --> 0:15:07.760 that's the thing about it. If you're sitting there at 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:10.600 twenty six and I don't know, I mean this this 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:13.360 kid to me, when you're that big and you got 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:16.440 the trade, how you should that you're talking about? That's 0:15:16.480 --> 0:15:18.720 the that's the thing that you're like that that kind 0:15:18.720 --> 0:15:21.840 of lures you back into, Wow, maybe we can get 0:15:21.880 --> 0:15:24.360 this big one or this big nose. It actually has 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:27.760 some pass rush tendencies to him, and that that's a 0:15:27.920 --> 0:15:30.680 very very aviting thing when you see a player player 0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:34.280 like that. It kind of looks like, yeah, you'll look 0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:38.280 it out. And I've always been a fan of his. 0:15:38.400 --> 0:15:41.720 He was. He came on the scene very quickly with 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:45.520 Baylor as a freshman. He was seeing starter minutes and 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:48.080 he was a transfer from LSU initially Brown that I 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:50.200 know you had kept your eyes on as soon as 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:53.240 he transferred thee I know as soon as he was 0:15:53.280 --> 0:15:56.520 there from Baton Rouge to Waco, he was already a playmaker. 0:15:56.520 --> 0:15:59.720 And he's been the anchor of that Baylor defense, which 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:02.280 of course US under Dave Randa has done a phenomenal 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:05.000 job these last couple of years. He is a pass 0:16:05.120 --> 0:16:07.800 rushing type of nose tackle. He can kind of fit 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:11.000 into that mold. He's not Vita Vea, Don't get me wrong. 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:12.840 He's not going to come in and immediately be a 0:16:12.880 --> 0:16:16.320 game wrecker, but he has the traits to produce from 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:19.280 a nose tackle standpoint, and he may be a second 0:16:19.320 --> 0:16:20.960 round pick. He's probably not going to be a first 0:16:21.040 --> 0:16:23.560 round guy. He'll be a second to third round guy, 0:16:23.640 --> 0:16:27.120 which might fit where Cowboys Nation is looking. Well. Yeah, 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:29.240 and this is where you have to also be very 0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:32.880 mindful of your draft position because what happens is and 0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:35.960 we've learned this over the years of when we work 0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:38.680 on a draft is teamsit are at the bottom of 0:16:38.720 --> 0:16:41.040 the board or a little bit at the mercy of 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:43.400 the board, and some players that you think that you 0:16:43.480 --> 0:16:46.520 might get to the second round or third round, you 0:16:46.600 --> 0:16:49.480 have to consider maybe a round earlier because they're not 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:51.880 going to get to you. I mean people used to say, oh, 0:16:51.920 --> 0:16:54.160 well that was a reach. You know. People probably talked 0:16:54.200 --> 0:16:57.080 about Tyler Smith. Oh that's a reach. You know, I 0:16:57.120 --> 0:17:00.560 don't need to do whiney boys there, but it was yeah, 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:02.640 I remember, yeah, but yeah, that's what I'm saying. And 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:05.119 you're sitting at the bottom of a round and you 0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:07.880 take a player and it might be it might be 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:11.000 twenty twenty five picks earlier than everybody else has him. 0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:14.280 That's okay, because you're not going to get that player 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:16.239 when you're waiting. You sit there and wait for your 0:17:16.280 --> 0:17:18.280 picks to come to you like that, and you're like, oh, 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:20.000 we'll just wait for the second round. This guy would 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:22.480 be there. You know, sometimes it works out, but there's 0:17:22.480 --> 0:17:24.760 a lot of times it doesn't work out. So you 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:27.199 might have to grab a guy at twenty six a 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:30.760 little bit earlier than you thought you might oh good, sorry, 0:17:31.119 --> 0:17:32.719 what was that now? I was going to add that? 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:35.320 And we're talking about the DT position, and you talk 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:38.119 about like not just you know, you're waiting for the 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:40.399 board to fall to you, but you also do have 0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:43.120 to have some aggression, and I think from the DT position, 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:45.879 and I specifically think you got to do that because 0:17:46.200 --> 0:17:49.760 we saw this year the run game is bad in 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:53.040 these streets right in the NFL right like so you're 0:17:53.160 --> 0:17:54.720 a lot of teams you are going to be going 0:17:54.800 --> 0:17:57.440 into this draft to me with the intent like even 0:17:57.480 --> 0:17:59.400 some of these linebackers you see you're like, oh yeah, 0:17:59.440 --> 0:18:01.600 you got some power, rich ability, but can you defend 0:18:01.920 --> 0:18:04.440 the run? A lot of these edge players like can 0:18:04.480 --> 0:18:07.120 you defend the run? That was like a universal thing 0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:09.000 I felt like through the NFL, even some of the 0:18:09.040 --> 0:18:11.040 best teams in the NFL. You look at the forty 0:18:11.119 --> 0:18:12.800 nine ers and the Eagles, you can attack them on 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:14.800 the edges like you can attack a lot of play 0:18:14.840 --> 0:18:17.879 A teams right now on the edges. So and and 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:20.199 also to just running the ball. So I think that 0:18:20.320 --> 0:18:22.560 the DT position D line like they're going to be 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:25.240 looking for guys to stop the run. And I'm I 0:18:25.320 --> 0:18:28.159 think that you do have to be aggressive with getting 0:18:28.200 --> 0:18:30.880 some of these higher, these guys that are higher of well, 0:18:31.200 --> 0:18:33.240 let's yeah, let's be honest here though, And I think 0:18:33.280 --> 0:18:36.879 again she makes a great point. The first, the first 0:18:36.920 --> 0:18:39.840 player in the draft is likely to be a defensive tackle, 0:18:40.080 --> 0:18:42.640 you know, Chamlon Carter out out of Georgia. I mean 0:18:42.680 --> 0:18:45.280 that just shows you right there off the chump can 0:18:45.280 --> 0:18:46.760 ash you guys. Maybe I don't know if we're going 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:49.120 to break real quick. Have you guys seen the kid 0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:53.960 from pitt Kawai Chakansie, the kid from Pittsburgh that's six foot, 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:56.120 two hundred and seventy five pounds. I have not. Did 0:18:56.119 --> 0:18:58.920 you did you watch him? Yeah? I had you seen 0:18:59.000 --> 0:19:07.240 him at all? He's Pittsburgh. Yeah, so neither one of 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:09.679 us have seen her as seen Brian. But here I 0:19:09.720 --> 0:19:12.280 want to I got asked that in Twitter on the twenty. 0:19:12.440 --> 0:19:14.560 Let's answer that. When we come back, let's take a 0:19:14.640 --> 0:19:16.880 quick break. I want to hear your scouting report on him, 0:19:16.920 --> 0:19:19.080 because I mean, that's a guy that I marked as 0:19:19.119 --> 0:19:21.720 we need to probably talk about. Let's do that. Let's 0:19:21.760 --> 0:19:23.680 take our first break when we come back. We'll hit 0:19:24.200 --> 0:19:27.280 Kalijah Cancy and we will look ahead to some of 0:19:27.280 --> 0:19:29.840 the other position groups of value in the middle rounds 0:19:29.880 --> 0:19:32.159 with Twitter on the twenty with more draft show right 0:19:32.200 --> 0:19:36.359 after this. 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