Speaker 1: This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your
Speaker 1: war room for incenter news and draft analysis from deep
Speaker 1: within the confines of Cowboys Headquarters at the Star in Frisco,
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys and now your host, Kyle Yeomans. Today is Thursday,
Speaker 1: February ninth. We are now seventy one or seventy eight
Speaker 1: days away from the NFL Draft in Kansas City, and
Speaker 1: welcome in to the Draft Show presented by Miller Light,
Speaker 1: live from the SWBC studios at the Star in Frisco.
Speaker 1: I'm here with Aisha Morrison. I'm Kyle Yeomans. We've got
Speaker 1: Chris Beam in the back and now on the phone
Speaker 1: lines wearing his Raesis Senior Bowl shirt because we saw
Speaker 1: it for as split second. You're not gonna see him
Speaker 1: on the video, but you're gonna hear him for the
Speaker 1: rest of the episode. Our very own Brian and brought
Speaker 1: us live from a radio row out at the Super Bowl. Brian,
Speaker 1: glad to have you back. Buddy. How is Glendale? How's
Speaker 1: it going up there? Well, it's going great, guys. It's
Speaker 1: good to be if my Scout buddies as always. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's been a lot of fun, a lot of really
Speaker 1: cool interviews. It could be very hectic, but you'll be
Speaker 1: surprised how many people will walk up to you and
Speaker 1: start talking about the draft. I mean it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: you're They're like, hey, you're that guy that talks about
Speaker 1: the draft. I'm like, yeah, yeah, so the next thing,
Speaker 1: you know, so, yeah, the draft shows known worldwide here
Speaker 1: and a lot of folks are very very interested in it.
Speaker 1: And I'm excited to be with you guys today. I'm
Speaker 1: looking forward to being with you guys in studio next week.
Speaker 1: And you know, it's one of those things technology and
Speaker 1: old people never seem to work very well together. So
Speaker 1: we'll figure it out one day. Beam did a heck
Speaker 1: of a job trying to get me to you. I
Speaker 1: just couldn't quite make it. That's okay, Well, we've got
Speaker 1: you on the phone and that's going to be great
Speaker 1: throughout the rest of the episode. Now, you mentioned people
Speaker 1: coming up to you and talking draft. Of course your
Speaker 1: your world known as well. Who's the Who's the biggest
Speaker 1: person that's come up to you so far on Radio
Speaker 1: Row and wanted to talk draft? Who's well number one? Yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: you know it's funny. Michael Lombardi and I used to
Speaker 1: work together in Philadelphia and ran a draft together, and
Speaker 1: you know, we were kind of talking about Dallas philosophy
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. He was he does a show
Speaker 1: on this and you know, and I do my stuff
Speaker 1: on one to Fly three the fan Michael Silver, you know,
Speaker 1: who's a very well respected was NFL network guy and
Speaker 1: things like that. It's just it's funny, you you kind
Speaker 1: of um. I was even talking with Jim McMahon about
Speaker 1: it a little bit. I had a chance to reminisce
Speaker 1: with Jim who I was with in Green Bay, and
Speaker 1: he was talking about the Bears and stuff and you know,
Speaker 1: what do you do with the pick and things like that.
Speaker 1: So it's funny just people they know what your background
Speaker 1: is and they just feel like, well, yeah, I've seen
Speaker 1: you do this before. I've seen you talk about this,
Speaker 1: sou But yeah, it's it never it never stops. You know,
Speaker 1: we're gonna break and somebody will wander over and you know,
Speaker 1: visit like the Raiders are here, that my buddies from
Speaker 1: the biggest Raiders are here. So I went down and
Speaker 1: they're already planning on, Hey, how can we get you
Speaker 1: on to talk about the draft? So it's it just
Speaker 1: never stopped. No, it doesn't. It doesn't at all. So
Speaker 1: this is your first year covering the draft with us.
Speaker 1: But what's the biggest thing that's kind of stood out
Speaker 1: to you to this point? I mean, because like Brian said,
Speaker 1: it never really stops up until April thirtieth, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's go, go go. But what's been your best impression
Speaker 1: of it so far? So far? I think my biggest
Speaker 1: thing I'm taking away from the draft is just how
Speaker 1: different we all see the game. Like I can see
Speaker 1: I can look at a player and then I That's
Speaker 1: why I'm really not active on Twitter right now. It's
Speaker 1: just being straight up with y'all, like, because there's so
Speaker 1: many different opinions about players that I don't want nothing
Speaker 1: to sway me from what I'm seeing unless you know
Speaker 1: we're having that discussion about Like, but that's my big
Speaker 1: this thing is that so many people see players differently,
Speaker 1: and then also certain teams may see players differently because
Speaker 1: I might look at a guy and be like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: he doesn't he doesn't separate well, but a team might
Speaker 1: be looking at a possession receiver. So that's just the
Speaker 1: biggest thing I'm noticing is like what I see is
Speaker 1: not what everyone else sees, and to be respectful of
Speaker 1: other people's thoughts and then to evaluate from there. I issue.
Speaker 1: What you gotta remind him about is that ice cream,
Speaker 1: Buddy man. First thing, first thing you ask him me
Speaker 1: is hey, what's your favorite favorite flavor? And they tell
Speaker 1: you chocolate, and you're a rocky road person. Just remind
Speaker 1: him to scout. He's a little bit like ice cream.
Speaker 1: We all love ice creaming. We all love ice cream
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, we just have different
Speaker 1: flavors that we love. If you like chocolate ice cream, no,
Speaker 1: I'm a little little worried you're not a chocolate ice
Speaker 1: cream Listen something. Some things don't need to beat chocolate.
Speaker 1: And I think those ice cream really Okay, this is
Speaker 1: a completely separate discussion. This is a whole different issue.
Speaker 1: It's it's the offseason. I'm gonna come on like girls talk,
Speaker 1: boys talk, and we're gonna know. Okay. So, speaking of
Speaker 1: different flavors of ice cream and speaking of these these players,
Speaker 1: this is this might be my favorite part of the
Speaker 1: draft process because it's informational gathering. We're drinking from a
Speaker 1: fire hose. We're learning about these prospects. We're finally seeing
Speaker 1: these all star games, We're seeing the Senior Bowl, in
Speaker 1: the Shrine Game, and all of these different aspects that
Speaker 1: lead up to the combine. And then really once the
Speaker 1: combine hits, that's when you're really ranking. That's when you're
Speaker 1: starting to put players versus players and you're really starting
Speaker 1: to hit it. Brian, based off of what you were
Speaker 1: able to look at from the Senior Bowl last week,
Speaker 1: I mean, this is probably the last time we'll hit
Speaker 1: on the Senior Bowl. But I wanted to get your thoughts.
Speaker 1: What position groups stood out the most to you if
Speaker 1: you had to pick one that evaluation wise, really jumped
Speaker 1: off the chart to you. Yeah, I think that. To me,
Speaker 1: I really like what I saw with this defensive lineman
Speaker 1: and stuff like God, I mean, that was something to me.
Speaker 1: And that's just one of those hard positions to to
Speaker 1: kind of focus on, I mean, not to focus on,
Speaker 1: but man, you can make a break your team when
Speaker 1: you start to talk about these defensive linemen. And you know,
Speaker 1: and I really do like I think the Senior Ball
Speaker 1: I'm friends with Jim Naggi, the director of it. I
Speaker 1: think they do a tremendous job overall of bringing this
Speaker 1: all and focus. I really really like the fact that
Speaker 1: you know, there's some of these quarterbacks too that you
Speaker 1: know they're not really the top level guys, But what
Speaker 1: you were doing was you were studying guys that were
Speaker 1: probably in the middle of this draft. I thought that
Speaker 1: was really a cool aspect about it as well. And
Speaker 1: not to mention if you're the Cowboys, if you're going
Speaker 1: to take a quarterback, it's gonna line up probably where
Speaker 1: those guys were going to be taken, and we hit
Speaker 1: a couple of them yesterday with Clayton Tune and Max
Speaker 1: Duggan from TCAU. Tune from from Houston. You mentioned the
Speaker 1: defensive line and Aisha's pet Kat has been in that
Speaker 1: that conversation on the defensive line. Who were some of
Speaker 1: the names that that really popped off the chart for you? Well,
Speaker 1: that's the one I was really really focused on right
Speaker 1: there to me because again, Aisha was on that one
Speaker 1: really really really early. And what I've tried to look
Speaker 1: at for the Cowboys aspect is, Okay, where are you
Speaker 1: going to find that potential that defensive tackle. Where are
Speaker 1: you going to find that guy that maybe and you know,
Speaker 1: like I said, she she was. I remember very early
Speaker 1: in this process, she says, you got to watch this guy.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, ye'a'll get I'm getting to him. I'm
Speaker 1: trying about you know, from Wisconsin. She said that name,
Speaker 1: and you and I were both like, what, We've got
Speaker 1: some homework to do. Yeah and so yeah, and I was,
Speaker 1: you know, and I just I think that Dallas to me,
Speaker 1: you know, you're looking at that, You're looking at that
Speaker 1: free technique and you're just kind of like going, or
Speaker 1: they know the one those inside players, and you're just saying,
Speaker 1: who could be that guy? Because it looks like the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: You know, we'll see with with OsO Diggi Zol. We
Speaker 1: felt like that he was making some progress in there.
Speaker 1: We've talked about Carlos Watkins a bunch, you know what
Speaker 1: he was able to do. Aisha brought up something that
Speaker 1: was really really good about about Watkins's You know, his
Speaker 1: mindset is one thing's changed when he got released to
Speaker 1: when he came back. But yeah, you know that defensive
Speaker 1: tackle spot, you're just watching that going, Okay, somebody show
Speaker 1: me something here, Somebody show me what they can you know,
Speaker 1: how they can play in this thing. And h and
Speaker 1: be really really effective. And I I think that's the one.
Speaker 1: If you're if you're a fan of you know, looking
Speaker 1: for a guy looking for a tackle, that's a really
Speaker 1: good place to start. Yeah. Him um. I asked Dane yesterday, Brian,
Speaker 1: I said, if you had to choose between Benton, Um,
Speaker 1: if you had to choose from Keano Benton from Wisconsin,
Speaker 1: I don't want him at at at a tamawa at
Speaker 1: a barre yep, Addie Addie Bari Yes from Northwestern him
Speaker 1: and uh Carl Brooks from Bowling Green. Yeah, amazing who's
Speaker 1: out of those guys? And I agree with you on
Speaker 1: the DT thing is that you know, Carlos Watkins had
Speaker 1: a calf and in this last game, so you know
Speaker 1: he was a key, key guy that they brought back.
Speaker 1: But the DT position, even from what you saw from Hankins,
Speaker 1: having that guy in there, a big true nose in there,
Speaker 1: sure really helped their your linebackers, and I think it
Speaker 1: helped your edge players kind of be able to play
Speaker 1: a little bit more free as well. So I'm I'm
Speaker 1: looking at DT because I really think that that could
Speaker 1: be somewhere that they go. I think you're spot on
Speaker 1: because you look at look at John Ridgeway's pick last year.
Speaker 1: They're trying They're trying to find this big nose tackle.
Speaker 1: They're trying to find somebody to replace Quentin Bohannah at
Speaker 1: the same time, because they'd spent a draft pick on
Speaker 1: him a couple of years ago and he's been okay,
Speaker 1: he hasn't been necessarily that guy. They brought in Jonathan Hankins.
Speaker 1: Hankins was probably the best out of the bunch in
Speaker 1: terms of a space eater, multiple gap guy in the
Speaker 1: middle of that defense. They haven't found that big nose
Speaker 1: tackle piece that can kind of be the early domino
Speaker 1: to fall for dan Quinn's system. And they might be
Speaker 1: able to find that in this draft. And I think
Speaker 1: there are guys it could even be a three technique
Speaker 1: if you really wanted to. But Brian, you're looking at
Speaker 1: the way that Dallas has drafted defensive tackles over these
Speaker 1: last few years, does it deter you at all from
Speaker 1: the three technique? Because you mentioned Osa Digizua, he's starting
Speaker 1: a pan out. You moved Chauncy Gholst into three technique.
Speaker 1: Then you also have Neville Gallimore, who hasn't necessarily voted
Speaker 1: the way that he thought he would as a third
Speaker 1: round pick. Do you maybe hesitate on working at three
Speaker 1: technique if there's a really good nose tackle or vice versa. Well,
Speaker 1: I think a lot of it, guys. You know, as
Speaker 1: we watched this team through the years, was really dictated
Speaker 1: on what Rod Marinelli wanted from his defensive lineman. And
Speaker 1: I think the way that I think with Dan Quinn,
Speaker 1: who is a former defensive line coach himself, and then
Speaker 1: with a D you know they're being as a line coach.
Speaker 1: I think that to me, that that focus for so
Speaker 1: many years under the Jason Garrett administration, when Rod Marinelli
Speaker 1: was here. You know, Rod was always like, oh you
Speaker 1: you could go find that one techniq somewhere or somewhere
Speaker 1: else or you know, you know whatever. You know, I
Speaker 1: reminded him that like well Man Booker McFarland, I think
Speaker 1: was a first round pick, you know, I mean that
Speaker 1: was your one technique with Warren Sapp playing the three,
Speaker 1: so you know you did address that with a premium pick.
Speaker 1: You know, for the over those years, it was really
Speaker 1: you know, it was kind of a neglected position. And uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I think that's currently changed. You know, Dan,
Speaker 1: I think Dan when you know, when Dan was out
Speaker 1: of the league for that year and had to reevaluate
Speaker 1: where his defense was, it was, you know, like, I
Speaker 1: can't play with this guy. I can't play with that
Speaker 1: type of guy. Can't. Well, I've got to include this guy,
Speaker 1: you know. I think that's where we've involved to right now,
Speaker 1: is with the Cowboys. Is you know they went out
Speaker 1: and made a trade for Hankins. You know, there's there's
Speaker 1: a time a former administrations that wouldn't have done that.
Speaker 1: They wouldn't have gone out and got the three hundred
Speaker 1: and thirty pound defensive lineman, just wouldn't have done it.
Speaker 1: And I think that the fact that you're more open
Speaker 1: now to take in those kinds of guys because there's
Speaker 1: a lot of these defensive tackles that come into play,
Speaker 1: you know, especially with these one technique guys. You know,
Speaker 1: a guy at Baylor three hundred and fifty eight pounds,
Speaker 1: you know that, you know those the kind of thing
Speaker 1: Smith from Michigan three hundred and thirty seven pounds. You know,
Speaker 1: these are these are big guys, and there used to
Speaker 1: be a time where you didn't really see the previous
Speaker 1: group really look at those those kind of players. And Brian,
Speaker 1: I want to ask you, with that being said, looking
Speaker 1: at how the Cowboys have drafted a DT this last
Speaker 1: two three years, since since um dan quinn has been here,
Speaker 1: one thing I've noticed is that a lot of the
Speaker 1: guys they've drafted had some pass rush ability. And so
Speaker 1: you know, when you look at Nevill Gallimore, I mean
Speaker 1: that kind of was something I saw with him, and
Speaker 1: that was actually something you saw at Bohannah. So with
Speaker 1: that being said, do you think that that's something they
Speaker 1: maybe stray away from a little bit more saying that
Speaker 1: you saw Hankins come in and not he did obviously
Speaker 1: have some past opportunities that he did a few things,
Speaker 1: but he really was there to just eat up double
Speaker 1: teams and just make it easier because you have so
Speaker 1: much depth on the edge. So I wonder if that
Speaker 1: approach that they've had in the last couple of years,
Speaker 1: if it changes, given the Bohannah thing is not what
Speaker 1: you thought it was going to be. The Neville Gallimore
Speaker 1: things not what you thought it was going to be.
Speaker 1: Ohso Diggi Zuua, I think definitely is coming along. I
Speaker 1: felt like his rum fits were so much better towards
Speaker 1: the end of the year, but he has pass rush
Speaker 1: ability and I think he's still great. But when you're
Speaker 1: talking about, hey, a one tech, we've seen what a
Speaker 1: one tech that's just the one tech we do for
Speaker 1: this defense, I wonder if they stray away from what
Speaker 1: they've been doing because it hasn't worked out the way
Speaker 1: that maybe they looked at it. Man, you bring up
Speaker 1: a great point, because you know, drafting is all about
Speaker 1: trying to eliminate the mistakes that you made in the
Speaker 1: past exactly, you know, I mean you're like, Okay, when
Speaker 1: we were looking at these one techniques, were we looking
Speaker 1: for one techniques that were pass rushers that are that
Speaker 1: have the ability? I mean, you're not gonna get many
Speaker 1: one techniques that it's very very rare. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: we know the guy down in Tampa the first one
Speaker 1: that came to my mind too. Yeah, when you watched him,
Speaker 1: come out of watching him, I mean you you saw
Speaker 1: like you were like, Okay, this guy gets I mentioned
Speaker 1: and Kyle doing my last name on kid at Baylor.
Speaker 1: I want to make sure I pronounce it right to
Speaker 1: Beata's attach. What's his name? How do you say it's
Speaker 1: last ye Eka? Okay Eca okay? I just want to
Speaker 1: make sure I said it right, because I'll jack that
Speaker 1: up in a heart beat. But Ika, you know, he
Speaker 1: was one of these guys that, you know, when you
Speaker 1: start to talk about again, three hundred and fifty eight pounds,
Speaker 1: you could play him as a true nose. You could
Speaker 1: play him as a one. I mean, he's got speed,
Speaker 1: he's got quickness, he's always on the move. He's never
Speaker 1: you know, you rarely see him slow down or you know,
Speaker 1: you know, get stopped. And so you know, you kind
Speaker 1: of like you're like, man, this guy does enough of
Speaker 1: like getting rid of blockers and and kind of getting
Speaker 1: into the backfield as a pass rusher. And so you know,
Speaker 1: that's the thing about it. If you're sitting there at
Speaker 1: twenty six and I don't know, I mean this this
Speaker 1: kid to me, when you're that big and you got
Speaker 1: the trade, how you should that you're talking about? That's
Speaker 1: the that's the thing that you're like that that kind
Speaker 1: of lures you back into, Wow, maybe we can get
Speaker 1: this big one or this big nose. It actually has
Speaker 1: some pass rush tendencies to him, and that that's a
Speaker 1: very very aviting thing when you see a player player
Speaker 1: like that. It kind of looks like, yeah, you'll look
Speaker 1: it out. And I've always been a fan of his.
Speaker 1: He was. He came on the scene very quickly with
Speaker 1: Baylor as a freshman. He was seeing starter minutes and
Speaker 1: he was a transfer from LSU initially Brown that I
Speaker 1: know you had kept your eyes on as soon as
Speaker 1: he transferred thee I know as soon as he was
Speaker 1: there from Baton Rouge to Waco, he was already a playmaker.
Speaker 1: And he's been the anchor of that Baylor defense, which
Speaker 1: of course US under Dave Randa has done a phenomenal
Speaker 1: job these last couple of years. He is a pass
Speaker 1: rushing type of nose tackle. He can kind of fit
Speaker 1: into that mold. He's not Vita Vea, Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 1: He's not going to come in and immediately be a
Speaker 1: game wrecker, but he has the traits to produce from
Speaker 1: a nose tackle standpoint, and he may be a second
Speaker 1: round pick. He's probably not going to be a first
Speaker 1: round guy. He'll be a second to third round guy,
Speaker 1: which might fit where Cowboys Nation is looking. Well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and this is where you have to also be very
Speaker 1: mindful of your draft position because what happens is and
Speaker 1: we've learned this over the years of when we work
Speaker 1: on a draft is teamsit are at the bottom of
Speaker 1: the board or a little bit at the mercy of
Speaker 1: the board, and some players that you think that you
Speaker 1: might get to the second round or third round, you
Speaker 1: have to consider maybe a round earlier because they're not
Speaker 1: going to get to you. I mean people used to say, oh,
Speaker 1: well that was a reach. You know. People probably talked
Speaker 1: about Tyler Smith. Oh that's a reach. You know, I
Speaker 1: don't need to do whiney boys there, but it was yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember, yeah, but yeah, that's what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: you're sitting at the bottom of a round and you
Speaker 1: take a player and it might be it might be
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five picks earlier than everybody else has him.
Speaker 1: That's okay, because you're not going to get that player
Speaker 1: when you're waiting. You sit there and wait for your
Speaker 1: picks to come to you like that, and you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: we'll just wait for the second round. This guy would
Speaker 1: be there. You know, sometimes it works out, but there's
Speaker 1: a lot of times it doesn't work out. So you
Speaker 1: might have to grab a guy at twenty six a
Speaker 1: little bit earlier than you thought you might oh good, sorry,
Speaker 1: what was that now? I was going to add that?
Speaker 1: And we're talking about the DT position, and you talk
Speaker 1: about like not just you know, you're waiting for the
Speaker 1: board to fall to you, but you also do have
Speaker 1: to have some aggression, and I think from the DT position,
Speaker 1: and I specifically think you got to do that because
Speaker 1: we saw this year the run game is bad in
Speaker 1: these streets right in the NFL right like so you're
Speaker 1: a lot of teams you are going to be going
Speaker 1: into this draft to me with the intent like even
Speaker 1: some of these linebackers you see you're like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: you got some power, rich ability, but can you defend
Speaker 1: the run? A lot of these edge players like can
Speaker 1: you defend the run? That was like a universal thing
Speaker 1: I felt like through the NFL, even some of the
Speaker 1: best teams in the NFL. You look at the forty
Speaker 1: nine ers and the Eagles, you can attack them on
Speaker 1: the edges like you can attack a lot of play
Speaker 1: A teams right now on the edges. So and and
Speaker 1: also to just running the ball. So I think that
Speaker 1: the DT position D line like they're going to be
Speaker 1: looking for guys to stop the run. And I'm I
Speaker 1: think that you do have to be aggressive with getting
Speaker 1: some of these higher, these guys that are higher of well,
Speaker 1: let's yeah, let's be honest here though, And I think
Speaker 1: again she makes a great point. The first, the first
Speaker 1: player in the draft is likely to be a defensive tackle,
Speaker 1: you know, Chamlon Carter out out of Georgia. I mean
Speaker 1: that just shows you right there off the chump can
Speaker 1: ash you guys. Maybe I don't know if we're going
Speaker 1: to break real quick. Have you guys seen the kid
Speaker 1: from pitt Kawai Chakansie, the kid from Pittsburgh that's six foot,
Speaker 1: two hundred and seventy five pounds. I have not. Did
Speaker 1: you did you watch him? Yeah? I had you seen
Speaker 1: him at all? He's Pittsburgh. Yeah, so neither one of
Speaker 1: us have seen her as seen Brian. But here I
Speaker 1: want to I got asked that in Twitter on the twenty.
Speaker 1: Let's answer that. When we come back, let's take a
Speaker 1: quick break. I want to hear your scouting report on him,
Speaker 1: because I mean, that's a guy that I marked as
Speaker 1: we need to probably talk about. Let's do that. Let's
Speaker 1: take our first break when we come back. We'll hit
Speaker 1: Kalijah Cancy and we will look ahead to some of
Speaker 1: the other position groups of value in the middle rounds
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Speaker 1: things off with Brian's guy. He was just talking about
Speaker 1: him a moment ago. Elijah Cancy. I said his name
Speaker 1: wrong butchered it in the first segment. That's okay, I
Speaker 1: got it right this time out of Pittsburgh, kind of
Speaker 1: a tweener type. But we had candy Man two one
Speaker 1: four that's his Twitter name and that is also his
Speaker 1: handle on Twitter. What round would you snag? Elijah Cancy
Speaker 1: ed rusher from pitt is what he described it as,
Speaker 1: but he says he could be a Dan Quinn type. Brian,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. This is a really interesting kid.
Speaker 1: And the reason I brought it up because he goes
Speaker 1: to a school that got Aaron Donald into the league,
Speaker 1: which was Pittsburgh. And Aaron Donald, if we all remember,
Speaker 1: is shorter and you know, is white, and that kind
Speaker 1: of thing with the weight and but super quick, super
Speaker 1: active plays with leverage and all that. This kid's got
Speaker 1: some of those traits. And it's scary. And you're looking
Speaker 1: at the uniform and you're going, wait a minute, I've
Speaker 1: seen this before somewhere, you know, and you had several
Speaker 1: years ago, and I just, man, I don't some teams
Speaker 1: are not gonna are not gonna like him. And I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell you because he's six foot and he's two
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy five pounds. I mean, that's the high
Speaker 1: I was working with right now. Hyden Way, you we're
Speaker 1: working with right now. But man, this guy is super disruptive.
Speaker 1: He does a great job at getting to the ball
Speaker 1: and can finish. He's got some strength, he's always on
Speaker 1: the move, relentless desire, all that stuff. He could just
Speaker 1: attack some gaps and he works well to the edges too,
Speaker 1: you see, you know, like him, Chase, he makes a
Speaker 1: lot of plays on the outside, the lateral quickness, the agility,
Speaker 1: redirect I mean, when he gets too far up the field,
Speaker 1: he could push the pocket. I mean he just wins
Speaker 1: right off the jump. And again, it was just like
Speaker 1: it was watching Aaron Donald all over again. And you know,
Speaker 1: I'm this kid very well could be a second round pick.
Speaker 1: And I say that with you know that people are
Speaker 1: gonna like they're going to evaluate him is And this
Speaker 1: is a great thing about what the draft has become
Speaker 1: and not when the krusty guy you're talking to on
Speaker 1: the phone right now was drafted twenty years ago kind
Speaker 1: of thing. You know that we now see players that
Speaker 1: are undersized that are getting picked, you know, quarterbacks. I
Speaker 1: would have never in my life think a thought of
Speaker 1: player like Kyler Murray at his height would have got
Speaker 1: picked first overall or you know, Baker Mayfield. I mean,
Speaker 1: the draft is evolving to if you could play, you
Speaker 1: can play, and no matter how tall or how small,
Speaker 1: or how heavy or whatever, you could play. And so
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised to evolve this guy as we
Speaker 1: get through this process, that more people start to to
Speaker 1: generate a buzz about him. And again you'll you'll see
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald comparisons just because they both went to the
Speaker 1: same school. But there's some traits there if you follow
Speaker 1: him a little bit closely. I'm watching them right now
Speaker 1: and I'm watching Louisville or he's playing Louisville and he's
Speaker 1: playing Duke. Duke had some really big upfront interior offensive lineman,
Speaker 1: and it feels like when he's going up against these big,
Speaker 1: physical guys, he's having trouble. But then against Louisville a
Speaker 1: smaller offensive line, and he's able to kind of use
Speaker 1: his speed and fit through gaps he's got. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: got some pop to him. Probably, yeah, watching if you
Speaker 1: can watch him play Clemson, watch him play game. Okay, wait,
Speaker 1: forward stalls teams like that. You're right. I mean again,
Speaker 1: he's probably not for everybody, but there's somebody that's going
Speaker 1: to see those traits, the quickness, the agility, the outside.
Speaker 1: I mean, you could probably move him around a couple
Speaker 1: of spots. But like I said, hey, he wore the
Speaker 1: same uniform of a guy that was there. But you know,
Speaker 1: Eric Donald was like when you watched him play, You're like, wow,
Speaker 1: but hey, look what the rams did I mean you
Speaker 1: take a chance on some of these guys, and let's
Speaker 1: say his kids a first round pick. But I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what he's gonna He's gonna draw some attention from
Speaker 1: some of these teams. Yeah, if you put a big
Speaker 1: body next to him, it's gonna be over. But then
Speaker 1: also too, when you look at I mean just I
Speaker 1: feel like interior pressure is uh is something. With how
Speaker 1: many mobile quarterbacks there are in the league, now I
Speaker 1: feels here your pressure might be the thing. Like, obviously
Speaker 1: you getting edge pressure is fantastic, but with the escapability
Speaker 1: of all these mobile quarterbacks, now are you trying to like, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's rush up the middle. Let's get more pressure up
Speaker 1: the A and B gap to really throw off their vision.
Speaker 1: Because you do see a lot of these mobile quarterbacks
Speaker 1: like they're they're trying to become pocket pastors. They're trying
Speaker 1: to sit there and deal with that. And so with
Speaker 1: the edges, I'm like, yeah, you can attack these guys
Speaker 1: from the edges with the escapability and stuff, but a
Speaker 1: lot of guys are escaping up the middle. Like even
Speaker 1: with Jalen Hurts, I remember when we were watching film
Speaker 1: on him, that was one of the main things he
Speaker 1: wasn't just running to the edges. He was a right
Speaker 1: up the middle. Daniel Films right up the middle those guys,
Speaker 1: and then you got to see Sam Howell and he's
Speaker 1: a bit of a gamer moving forward. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: just being honest with you. Is like, the mobile quarterback
Speaker 1: is kind of like the jam now, and if you
Speaker 1: want to attack a mobile quarterback, in my opinion, is
Speaker 1: to really get in their face in the middle and
Speaker 1: throw off their vision there because mobile quarterbacks they can
Speaker 1: figure out how to, you know, escape the edges. And
Speaker 1: so I'm also looking at um if a lot of
Speaker 1: guys do have pass rush ability. A lot of these
Speaker 1: dts do, and I don't feel like maybe it's so
Speaker 1: much of a bad thing anymore if you do have
Speaker 1: another gentleman next to him to be able to, you know,
Speaker 1: take on some of those double teams or just take
Speaker 1: on more of that power, be that bigger guy. So yeah, Brian,
Speaker 1: I mean, if you ask any quarterback in the NFL
Speaker 1: which type of pressure is more of a nuisance to
Speaker 1: deal with, They're all going to say interior pressure. So
Speaker 1: I think you're spot at the eye level. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: used this absolutely right the eye level because I was
Speaker 1: talking to Michael Lombardi about this yesterday and he brought
Speaker 1: up the point it's like when he was in Cleveland
Speaker 1: with Bernie Cosar. Hey, Bernie Cosar would come to the
Speaker 1: sidelines and he would say, hey, you know, we gotta
Speaker 1: be better at the right guard. We gotta be better
Speaker 1: at you know, left tackle, we gotta be better at
Speaker 1: you know, or excuse you gotta be better at the center.
Speaker 1: You know. It's like, you know, the question becomes, Okay,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, your eyes are supposed to be down
Speaker 1: the field. Why are you telling me? Why do we
Speaker 1: need be better at right guard or left guard or center?
Speaker 1: You know that that you know, if you're telling me
Speaker 1: where the pressure is coming from, that's affecting your eye level,
Speaker 1: you know. And if your eye levels not downfield, you're
Speaker 1: not seeing the receivers. If you could tell me what's
Speaker 1: going on with the pocket and the guys that are
Speaker 1: having trouble, your eye level is in a really, really
Speaker 1: bad spot. Yeah, it's just so tough because you can
Speaker 1: feel the pressure coming from the edge, you can step
Speaker 1: up and you can then try and navigate from there.
Speaker 1: You can't do anything coming right at you. You can't
Speaker 1: do anything about it, all right. Second question of Twitter
Speaker 1: on the twenty, Justin Richards asked, could you see the
Speaker 1: Cowboys trading up in this draft? And who could you
Speaker 1: see them trying to move up for if they were
Speaker 1: going to do it? Of course, captain trade down are
Speaker 1: very good friend, Jeff Cavanaugh probably rolling over right now
Speaker 1: listening to this. But trading up is that a possibility?
Speaker 1: And is there anybody that would be valuable enough Brian
Speaker 1: that they would just go get them? Man, I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what this team. I mean, they've got contents or
Speaker 1: they're you're gonna get content satory picks, which trade They're
Speaker 1: going to have enough to move and be aggressive and
Speaker 1: all that. I wonder you know the pitch position that's
Speaker 1: stretching for me right now. And I don't know about
Speaker 1: you guys, so you tell me what you think. I
Speaker 1: kind of feel like this team would look at a
Speaker 1: corner and I don't know if the if the right
Speaker 1: corner would get to you, that you would maybe make
Speaker 1: a move to get there. I mean, everybody's got these guys,
Speaker 1: these corners all different. Gonzales, I love the kids. Joey
Speaker 1: Porter from Penn State. Yeah, I don't I don't see
Speaker 1: how you. I mean to me, can you going up?
Speaker 1: But if you're gonna move, I just feel like there's
Speaker 1: just enough corners where you don't have to move. That's
Speaker 1: kind of where I'm at. I don't I just don't
Speaker 1: think I think they're gonna I think they learned their lessons,
Speaker 1: not lessons or do you mean they sat there and
Speaker 1: let the board come to them and some you know
Speaker 1: last year and they you know, they had Tyler Smith
Speaker 1: where he was. I just don't see them going up
Speaker 1: and getting, you know, because the positions I think are
Speaker 1: gonna stretch for him, the they're looking at. So we've
Speaker 1: talked about the defensive tackles. We've kind of talked about
Speaker 1: a little bit. These edge rushers. I don't know about
Speaker 1: you guys. I've looked fourteen edge rushers so far. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'm not hating you know, probably there's a couple
Speaker 1: of them I really really wouldn't want to deal with.
Speaker 1: But I feel like that position will stretch for you
Speaker 1: a little bit, you know, that offensive line, you know,
Speaker 1: the guard position if you're looking to grab a guard.
Speaker 1: I think they're a good spot just to sit there
Speaker 1: and see where this thing's coming. To you, and you know,
Speaker 1: even though they do have the compensatories. Yeah, if you
Speaker 1: want to make a small move to flip a five
Speaker 1: or something like that, hey, I'm all for it. But
Speaker 1: I just don't see this team right now. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm going to stack this board when I get done,
Speaker 1: and I'll figure out, Okay, this is a guy I
Speaker 1: would go for, the guy I would go forwards one
Speaker 1: of those quarters. Like I said, I really do like
Speaker 1: the Porter kid if he got to where you can
Speaker 1: get him. Yeah, I'm only so. I'm seventy players in now,
Speaker 1: so I'm getting to the point where I can kind
Speaker 1: of see where this class is going to end up.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to find where the values are. It looks
Speaker 1: a lot and it reminds me a lot of last
Speaker 1: year's draft class, where there are these top heavy guys.
Speaker 1: There's about ten guys that are locks to be first
Speaker 1: round picks, top fifteen picks, and once those guys go,
Speaker 1: then there's a significant amount of guys that are good
Speaker 1: enough to be taken in the first round, but they
Speaker 1: won't be. There's gonna be about thirty of those guys
Speaker 1: that are right in that that same category. And I'm
Speaker 1: right there with you, I think edge rusher. You've got
Speaker 1: two guys right up at the top with Will Anderson,
Speaker 1: Miles Murphy. Tyree Wilson the probably the third one in
Speaker 1: that list. I really like Tyree Wilson out of Texas Tech.
Speaker 1: I like him a lot. Corner, it's Christian Gonzalez out
Speaker 1: of Oregon. At first it was Keiley Ringo out of Georgia,
Speaker 1: but all of a sudden, he's starting to drop off
Speaker 1: the face of the planet. People are taking him, mocks
Speaker 1: are starting to show him go in the early second round,
Speaker 1: maybe even late second round. And then there's Joey Porter Jr.
Speaker 1: Who is my second best corner, but he's probably gonna
Speaker 1: be a top fifteen pick. Outside of that, you're gonna
Speaker 1: probably get a really good defensive tackle. You're gonna get
Speaker 1: a good shot at linebacker. You're gonna get a great
Speaker 1: look at wide receiver. Unless you just fall in love
Speaker 1: with one of these early wide receivers. You want to go,
Speaker 1: try and get up, go up and get a Jackson
Speaker 1: Smith and Jake buff you don't think he'll fall to
Speaker 1: twenty six, or if you want to go, get a
Speaker 1: Jordan Addison out of usc If you don't think he'll fall.
Speaker 1: That's the only way I could see them trading up.
Speaker 1: So for me, I look at this class and while
Speaker 1: look at what the Cowboys have going on right now,
Speaker 1: and I feel like one of the only places that,
Speaker 1: especially on offensive line, Like, who are your guards? Because
Speaker 1: McGovern's a free agent? Yeah right, I mean Zack Martin
Speaker 1: is here. Probably Tyler Smith is your guard. But isn't
Speaker 1: he left tackle? Yeah, depending on what happens with Tyrn
Speaker 1: that's you don't know. So really, I mean, I feel
Speaker 1: like tackle is kind of they have enough guys at
Speaker 1: tackle now. The Cowboys have seen success drafting offensive lineman
Speaker 1: in the first round. I guard feels like a knee
Speaker 1: to me, Like it does. It feels like a knee
Speaker 1: because we don't know what they're gonna do with McGovern.
Speaker 1: Say what you want to say, Zach Martin is fantastic,
Speaker 1: but he's still getting He's still he's becoming a senior
Speaker 1: in this game, no like, and that's we have to
Speaker 1: be realistic about that. Tyler Smith, are you gonna keep
Speaker 1: moving him from guard to tackle or you want him
Speaker 1: to be stationed there? You got Tearn still coming back,
Speaker 1: You got Tyler to be honest there, you could really
Speaker 1: solidify this line if you get a top guard or
Speaker 1: a guard that is gonna come in and be able
Speaker 1: to play for you day one, maybe even have some
Speaker 1: swing ability. So with that being said, I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's likely, but I do feel like with the
Speaker 1: Cowboys knowing themselves, like we've seen success drafting in the
Speaker 1: offensive line in the first round, we know we hit there.
Speaker 1: We know we hit there. If you needed to go
Speaker 1: get a guy, if you wanted to go get a guy,
Speaker 1: that's like one of the only positions Like well you
Speaker 1: mentioned corner two, but offensive line, if you want to
Speaker 1: go get a guard to solidify this line, I mean
Speaker 1: you got Tyler Beadors, you got you know. Maybe who's
Speaker 1: your top guard right now? Uh Um. I feel like
Speaker 1: the easy answer is Osiris Torrance from Florida. I feel
Speaker 1: like that's the easy He's my top guard right now.
Speaker 1: I've only seen seven guards. But what I wanted to
Speaker 1: ask you and Brian, is is there any tackles and
Speaker 1: I was just talking about on our last show, are
Speaker 1: there any tackles that you think have flex that you
Speaker 1: could sure that you could turn into a guard and
Speaker 1: how successful? And I'm ask you. That's a question like,
Speaker 1: are there any tackles that you guys see that you
Speaker 1: think could come in day one be a thumping guard
Speaker 1: and can make a difference. He's probably not a first
Speaker 1: round pick, Brian, but your pet cat Cody Mock might
Speaker 1: fit that description. Yeah, North Dakota State. Yeah, he's a
Speaker 1: he's a tackle. I know that to me, Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta think about the kid at l
Speaker 1: Now he's a straight he's a straight guard. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's a six four, three hundred and thirty pound guy
Speaker 1: that plays with balance and all the things that we
Speaker 1: all like about that. The other guys that I issue
Speaker 1: you're bringing up Warren McClendon, who's a he's the start
Speaker 1: at right tackle for Georgia. Yeah, Yeah, there's a guy.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's kind of a guy that mentioned us,
Speaker 1: A long limbed kind of player, a little bit thinly
Speaker 1: built for me, you know, at three hundred pounds. Jordan
Speaker 1: McFadden is another one who was a start at left
Speaker 1: tackle for Clemson six two, three oh five. See there's
Speaker 1: a now you talk about like you know, we were
Speaker 1: we were mentioning our kid at pitt you know, with
Speaker 1: being you know undersized, but here's you know, mc McFadden
Speaker 1: is a six two, three hundred and five pounds tackle
Speaker 1: who's could play guard. But I you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: I have problems with all these guys, the towards kids
Speaker 1: from Florida. I know people are starting to mock him
Speaker 1: to Dallas and I'm kind of I'm struggling with him
Speaker 1: a little bit because again, I see a massive guy,
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't call him nimble, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I think he's a little top heavy. I think his
Speaker 1: weight gets a little bit forward on him sometimes. I
Speaker 1: think defenders tend to kind of move him around and
Speaker 1: it's a problem for him. I just, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: interested to see as we get further along, is there
Speaker 1: somebody Is there somebody in this draft that you would
Speaker 1: you would say, because I'm kind of struggling other than
Speaker 1: the TCU kid at guard right now, I'm just kind
Speaker 1: of a kind of a little bit of a loss.
Speaker 1: If that's the direction I would go, Yeah, there's some
Speaker 1: guys who when you when you talked to you talked
Speaker 1: about Alia. Yeah. The thing I have down for him
Speaker 1: is like he might not be perfect at this point
Speaker 1: of attack. But his technique is so good, it really is.
Speaker 1: You got a lot of these offensive linemen, you know,
Speaker 1: I mentioned it yesterday. We got some. They're not long
Speaker 1: in the tooth, but they are. It's quite a few
Speaker 1: guys who have just stayed and played the extra year,
Speaker 1: you know, and got and you can tell I personally
Speaker 1: want a guy that's technically sound like, I really, I
Speaker 1: really feel like there's value in having someone technically something.
Speaker 1: But even looking at the Cowboys, you start looking at, Okay,
Speaker 1: well Solari, how he likes to, you know, call run place.
Speaker 1: He does a lot of combo blocking and stuff. So
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm really I think guard is a thing
Speaker 1: I really do in my heart. I'm like, hey, I
Speaker 1: know they're gonna drop offensive line, but I wonder if
Speaker 1: you go go and get a premium garden. Yes, why not? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I get one. I mean we see that what a
Speaker 1: dominant offensive line can do. Look at literally, look at
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers. Look at Philly that, like, with
Speaker 1: all due respect, their quarterbacks been playing semi injured and
Speaker 1: they're still running that they still move in like and
Speaker 1: they're so dominant that they don't have to try that hard.
Speaker 1: You know what, I'm saying they don't have to try
Speaker 1: super hard. So I'm really like, let's try to get
Speaker 1: this offensive line back to being dominant and being able
Speaker 1: to just take the ball out the air. And I
Speaker 1: think a guard can do that for you real quickly, Brian,
Speaker 1: just to elaborate on Osirius Torrance before we go to
Speaker 1: our second break with him, you were talking about the
Speaker 1: some of the technique and cleaning that up. Do you
Speaker 1: think maybe cleaning up his body type and getting into
Speaker 1: a professional strength room could potentially help that. He's six
Speaker 1: foot right under six foot five, He's at six o
Speaker 1: four seven three hundred and thirty seven pounds, So if
Speaker 1: you clean that up a little bit, Yeah, yeah, if
Speaker 1: you play that up a little bit, maybe that fixes
Speaker 1: some of those problems. But I know, for a first
Speaker 1: round pick, you're you're not looking for that. You're looking
Speaker 1: for a guy that's going to come in immediately ready
Speaker 1: to play significant snaps. Well, yeah, these offers of Lyne
Speaker 1: and the Cowboys had picked in the first round had
Speaker 1: been plug and play. Guys have a great history with that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I think you know, I was looking at
Speaker 1: the three hundred and forty seven pound man and if
Speaker 1: he's three hundred thirty seven, he's maybe the right direction.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, see. But the thing that is, I think
Speaker 1: his weight causes him to be a little like a
Speaker 1: tick slow coming off the ball, and that puts him
Speaker 1: in some rough spots, it really does. That's interesting because
Speaker 1: you're right, he's kind of been a name that's started
Speaker 1: slowly creeping up there in terms of the needs for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys because of what Aisha just talked about. But
Speaker 1: he might fit that mold as a maybe a second
Speaker 1: round grade, but a first round prospect because he's gonna
Speaker 1: get picked at twenty six, but he may not be
Speaker 1: one of those first round guys that ends up slipping.
Speaker 1: So keep an eye on other Cyrus Torrens out of Florida.
Speaker 1: Let's take our second break. When we come back, I
Speaker 1: want to do a little tell me More. We did
Speaker 1: that yesterday with Dane Brian. I want to pick a
Speaker 1: couple of guys that you've had your eyes on, and
Speaker 1: we'll get your thoughts on it as well. We'll hit
Speaker 1: some with Ayisha as well that she's been waiting and
Speaker 1: chopping at the bit to talk about. Let's do some
Speaker 1: tell Me More again when we come back with more
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Speaker 1: on this Thursday, as we are seventy eight days away
Speaker 1: from the NFL Draft. Alongside Ayesha Morrison, I'm Kyle Yeoman's
Speaker 1: with Brian brought it on the phone. We will get
Speaker 1: Bobby Belt back in studio coming up next week. We've
Speaker 1: got plenty of time. We've got two shows. We're gonna
Speaker 1: be back to normal next week and then we're gonna
Speaker 1: start ramping up quickly heading into the NFL Combine. But
Speaker 1: it's time now for a little bit more of tell
Speaker 1: me more. We did this yesterday with Dane. If you
Speaker 1: missed it, go online Dallas Cowboys dot com the Draft Show.
Speaker 1: It was phenomenal. Just rattled off players as Dane does,
Speaker 1: and he did a great job of it. We're gonna
Speaker 1: do the same with Brian and Aisha. I'm gonna start
Speaker 1: with Aisha. There's a Cincinnati, Cincinnati cat, a Bearcat specifically,
Speaker 1: that you wanted to talk about. His name is Ivan
Speaker 1: Pace Junior. What did he do in mobile that impressed
Speaker 1: you the most? I liked Well, obviously, he shows that
Speaker 1: he has some pass rush ability. He's super hard to
Speaker 1: get hands on. I just what I have down. He
Speaker 1: had nine solo tackles in the Senior Bowl game hisself.
Speaker 1: But he diagnoses. He diagnosed as well. But I really
Speaker 1: do think that his ability to be a pass rusher
Speaker 1: and also be able to play the middle of the
Speaker 1: field is going to be something that people look at.
Speaker 1: I say what you want to say, but Michael really
Speaker 1: has changed kind of how people are looking at this
Speaker 1: linebacker position and in size and what can you do
Speaker 1: and can you rush the passers sometimes situationally and stuff.
Speaker 1: And this guy does have the hybrid ability and he
Speaker 1: flashed a lot at the Senior Bowl. So I I
Speaker 1: just love how how he is at the point of
Speaker 1: attack and how slippery is and how he can read
Speaker 1: and get to his gaps. I was impressed with him. Brian.
Speaker 1: I know you said you haven't checked him out yet,
Speaker 1: but um I liked him story too. At Yeah, he
Speaker 1: was a two star prospect getting picked up. I mean
Speaker 1: barely even had like a twenty four to seven page.
Speaker 1: Was really not even a high level recruit. Went to Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: played well, earned a scholarship, and then now is continuously
Speaker 1: working his way up the draft board. Initially he was
Speaker 1: in like the like bottom half of this linebacker class,
Speaker 1: and his weekend mobile I think really elevated him quite
Speaker 1: a bit. Now, Brian, you've got a wide receiver from
Speaker 1: Penn State. Different type of cat. This is a nickney
Speaker 1: lyon that you're looking at a wide receiver, Parker Washington.
Speaker 1: You like him a lot, don't you? Absolutely? This is
Speaker 1: this is Steve Smith to me from the old Carolina
Speaker 1: Panther Ravens days. So I'm looking at here so prime
Speaker 1: Steve Smith. Yeah, I love this kid. You know, he's
Speaker 1: a shorter guy. He's really really thick. He's compact, he's explosive.
Speaker 1: He does a lot of work out of the slots.
Speaker 1: He's fun to study because he's able to just the
Speaker 1: plays that he makes. He's one of those guys it
Speaker 1: catches the ball over the field. He doesn't have great lenks,
Speaker 1: but man, you see him extend to his fullest to
Speaker 1: make some plays. Hands are supernatural on him. He operates
Speaker 1: in traffic. He just he again, he remind me everything
Speaker 1: of like a shorter, like a compact Steve Smith. And
Speaker 1: he used to play coming out of Utah and just
Speaker 1: made every single play show toughness. You could rely on
Speaker 1: him to make a lot of place. He's from Sugarland, Texas,
Speaker 1: so he's a Texas Texas guy playing up in the
Speaker 1: Big ten. How about that? Now, you also had a
Speaker 1: Tulane prospect you wanted to get in there as well. Brian, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was. I'll tell you what Tulane I think did
Speaker 1: a tremendous job this year. And then I used she
Speaker 1: was talking about linebackers. I want to talk about a
Speaker 1: kid named Dorian Williams from Tulane, and I think this
Speaker 1: kid's one of the best tacklers in the draft. The
Speaker 1: bigger the play, the better he has to make a stop.
Speaker 1: Super active in the way he plays. He could really
Speaker 1: cover some ground with his speed. He could get to
Speaker 1: the ball carry when you think he's got no chance,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, he's got the play. He's run
Speaker 1: down to play. He had a tackle in the in
Speaker 1: the Central Florida game that just was that was just
Speaker 1: unbelievable that you know, it's a fourth down, you're thinking
Speaker 1: like quarterback is going to get the first down, and
Speaker 1: he just fetches him from behind there. Kick can really
Speaker 1: really run. You can use him as a spy watching
Speaker 1: the quarterback. You know, he's not much of a pass defender,
Speaker 1: but his ordinary kind of dropping cover guy. But man,
Speaker 1: he makes a ton of plays. He's got legitimate four
Speaker 1: or five speed in an eighty inch wingspan on this kid.
Speaker 1: So you're talking about a guy that could go make
Speaker 1: some plays. Dorian Williams, linebacker, two lane. Take a peek
Speaker 1: at MP can he was kind of the he was
Speaker 1: like the anchor of the middle of that two lane
Speaker 1: defense that really flew to the football and he was
Speaker 1: probably the one that did so. He played in the
Speaker 1: Cotton Bowl kind of wackles. Yeah, he had seventeen cackle Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know in the Cotton Bowl for the MVP. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's pretty impressive because he had Yeah. Yeah, Taj Spears,
Speaker 1: who we talked about yesterday with Dane running back out
Speaker 1: of Tulane, who was the offensive MVP at that game,
Speaker 1: was really all over the field as a running back.
Speaker 1: And then on the other side of the ball, you
Speaker 1: had a guy like like Williams, Dorian Williams who was
Speaker 1: a linebacker who was the defensive MVP. And both of
Speaker 1: those guys our Senior Bowl prospects, so very fun to watch,
Speaker 1: and they were both impressive in Mobile. You had another
Speaker 1: mobile prospect too that you wanted to hit, dude, h
Speaker 1: Sydney Brown. Sidney Brown. It's fun to me, man, He's
Speaker 1: fun to me because I watching him. The coverage ability Illinois,
Speaker 1: Illinois two hundred eleven pounds from what I know and
Speaker 1: UM watching him. They were in one on one drills
Speaker 1: and for a safety you already know, like well, number
Speaker 1: one one on one drills are not made for dbs.
Speaker 1: Let's let's keep it a buck. But he was so
Speaker 1: good in coverage. But he also he's just his motor
Speaker 1: for for a dB. His motor is crazy. He's so twitchy,
Speaker 1: he look crazy, little crazy, always run around. I think
Speaker 1: he's getting camped to the gentleman that plays for the
Speaker 1: forty nine ers who funga. How do you say, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's getting compared to that guy. But I honestly think
Speaker 1: he's better and coverage than him. And because because of
Speaker 1: how he plays, he's a nuisance to me in the
Speaker 1: passing game. I feel like if you put him in
Speaker 1: the dime or you can almost hide him and he
Speaker 1: could be a Swiss Army knife and in your defense
Speaker 1: and how you use him, because I do think that
Speaker 1: his coverage ability is good enough to do some corner things.
Speaker 1: I mean, I was impressed with Um. I was just
Speaker 1: impressed with how he moved around. And like I said,
Speaker 1: due to his side, I feel like you could hide
Speaker 1: him in a way and not hide him in a
Speaker 1: bad way. It's just like I think quarterbacks might not
Speaker 1: see him like I feel like they might not see
Speaker 1: him coming. And just the way he plays, he's I
Speaker 1: call him swiper. Yeah, I call him swiper because I
Speaker 1: just think he can sneak up on you. So Okay,
Speaker 1: definitely not wanting to make sure it's not because he's
Speaker 1: but his birst is great, the effort is great. He's
Speaker 1: just such an active player in the secondary. And I
Speaker 1: think you can deploy You could deploy him to spy,
Speaker 1: you could deploy him to do so many different things.
Speaker 1: This guy has some versatility and I think what he's showing,
Speaker 1: what he could do in coverage UM in the Senior Bowl,
Speaker 1: I think really changes things. And what you could do
Speaker 1: with him in a defense. Four different guys to keep
Speaker 1: an eye on, a little bit of tell me more
Speaker 1: to wrap up the draft show today, Brian, anything you
Speaker 1: want to add before we let you go and get
Speaker 1: out of here. I can't wait to watch Brian, I know,
Speaker 1: but I'll leave you one more guy real quick if
Speaker 1: I should. Of course, you know, I always like well,
Speaker 1: I issue was giving me a great scouting reporter. Watch
Speaker 1: a kid from albur named Tank Digsby. If you're looking
Speaker 1: at running backs. This kid's six foot, two hundred and
Speaker 1: fifteen pounds. I know there's everybody's talking about all the
Speaker 1: top guys. Take a peek at Tank Bigsby. Like I say,
Speaker 1: this kid has got lower body power. He's a really
Speaker 1: physical runner. He catches the ball really really well out
Speaker 1: of the backfield. Super dependable in that way. If you know,
Speaker 1: we'll see with you know, with Mike, with Mike mccurthy
Speaker 1: now calling the plays, we'll see what happened with the
Speaker 1: running back situations. You got to get a guy that
Speaker 1: literally that can make plays out of nothing, and this
Speaker 1: guy does. I mean he's kind of an elusive slasher.
Speaker 1: But lateral quickness, I mean, this guy can finish. But
Speaker 1: like to say, the one thing he does really well
Speaker 1: have catched the football. And so Cowboys are gonna be
Speaker 1: looking for those multi multi use guys. I think again,
Speaker 1: if we'll see what happens. We had Michael Lombardi on yesterday,
Speaker 1: he said, by all means they the Cowboys needed to
Speaker 1: tag Tony Pollard in this thing because he was the
Speaker 1: He is the ultimate weapon to have. But name to
Speaker 1: keep in mind, Tank Biggsby, Auburn running back for those
Speaker 1: that are watching on the stream or on the podcast post,
Speaker 1: we're actually showing some highlights of Bigsby at the moment,
Speaker 1: and yeah, he's he's kind of a lateral runner. He
Speaker 1: goes side to side well, has a little bit of
Speaker 1: explosiveness to him. Three years starter at tailback, Brian, He's
Speaker 1: got a little bit of tread on the tires. He's
Speaker 1: been experienced, which is a good thing. And he went
Speaker 1: through the SEC gauntlet and at six foot two thirteen,
Speaker 1: I mean he's got some cowards up to his name. No,
Speaker 1: he lives up to his name. Yeah, yeah, he lives
Speaker 1: up to his name. And like I said, you're gonna
Speaker 1: like this kid the more that you study him, you
Speaker 1: really really are. I like it a lot. Yeah, I've
Speaker 1: already marked him down. He looks good on these highlights
Speaker 1: that we're showing him. These are up against San Jose
Speaker 1: State and here he is against Missouri, so lots of
Speaker 1: fun to be had. We are still in the informational
Speaker 1: gathering side of things, but this is getting good. We
Speaker 1: are getting into the nitty gritty of the twenty twenty
Speaker 1: three draft class. But that's going to do it for
Speaker 1: us here on this Thursday, edition of the Draft Show.
Speaker 1: Thank goodness as the last time we're apart. We will
Speaker 1: be back together on Wednesday, all four of us, Brian Bobby, Ayesha,
Speaker 1: myself and then Chris Beam who goes out and finds Tank,
Speaker 1: Bigsby b Role throughout the week who's doing a great
Speaker 1: job running things in the back. But that's going to
Speaker 1: do it for us. Have fun, everybody. We'll see you
Speaker 1: on Wednesday, elemit am Central time is when we'll get
Speaker 1: started for more Draft Show. For Brian Bobby or Brian
Speaker 1: Bobby and I Yesha even though Bobby's not here, and
Speaker 1: for Chris Beam'm Kyle Yeoman saying so long for the
Speaker 1: Draft Show. We'll see you next week. This has been
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