WEBVTT - A Conversation with Jets Offensive Coordinator Nathaniel Hackett (5/2) 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:07.600 We're presented by win Bet. Benny is a team sport 0:00:07.800 --> 0:00:11.520 bet together at win Bett. Eric Allen here at one 0:00:11.600 --> 0:00:15.600 Jets Drive and the upstairs studios, joined by offensive coordinator 0:00:15.960 --> 0:00:20.680 Nathaniel Hackett. This has been a family business for the 0:00:20.760 --> 0:00:24.919 Hackets because your dad, Paul Hackett, the Jets offensive coordinator 0:00:24.960 --> 0:00:26.880 from two thousand and one to two thousand and four. 0:00:27.400 --> 0:00:29.240 How surreal has this been so far? 0:00:29.360 --> 0:00:32.680 Oh, it's been amazing. I mean I still remember going 0:00:32.720 --> 0:00:34.880 to visit my father now was in a hostra which 0:00:34.920 --> 0:00:36.640 was a little bit different than this facility, which is 0:00:36.680 --> 0:00:40.720 absolutely amazing. But no, those were some great years. I 0:00:40.720 --> 0:00:44.600 mean Kevin Maway, Curtis Martin, Chad Pennington, Gerald Soul, I 0:00:44.640 --> 0:00:49.880 mean Santana Moss, Anthony beckt all those guys that Dave Zott, 0:00:49.880 --> 0:00:52.400 who's in the building with us right now. But I 0:00:52.440 --> 0:00:55.080 just remember watching those games and watching my dad and 0:00:55.120 --> 0:00:57.240 all the success that that was going on during that time, 0:00:57.320 --> 0:00:59.440 and to be part of it and in the building 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:03.280 is absolutely a pleasure and I'm so grateful. 0:01:03.600 --> 0:01:06.080 So I tweeted about this the other night. The last 0:01:06.120 --> 0:01:08.279 time the Jets had a home playoff game was following 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:10.280 the two thousand and two season when we were just 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:12.800 talking about it. That's the last time the Jets won 0:01:12.840 --> 0:01:16.920 the division. Jets shut out Peyton Manning in the Indianapolis 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:18.240 Colts forty one. 0:01:18.319 --> 0:01:20.240 To know if I had a nickel for every time 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:21.960 my dad talks to me about that game? Does he 0:01:22.040 --> 0:01:24.360 really all the time? Still? When I think when I 0:01:24.400 --> 0:01:26.560 got the job here, he's, hey, you remember that playoff 0:01:26.600 --> 0:01:29.160 game we beat the Colts and shut him out? I 0:01:29.160 --> 0:01:31.240 was like, yes, Dad, I've seen it, seen it numerous times. 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:35.280 I was not there, but I remember watching it. I 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:37.240 was I was coaching at the time. I believe it's 0:01:37.280 --> 0:01:39.720 Stanford during then, or maybe I was. I think I 0:01:39.720 --> 0:01:42.560 was actually still in college, and I remember he sent 0:01:42.600 --> 0:01:44.119 me the tape. It was one of his funnest games 0:01:44.120 --> 0:01:45.520 that he's ever ever coached. 0:01:46.560 --> 0:01:48.800 What are you doing here right now? Because, as Robert 0:01:48.840 --> 0:01:51.200 Sala said, your feet could be in the sand, you 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:54.800 could be on a beach somewhere, but you decided, hey, listen, 0:01:55.840 --> 0:01:57.760 this opportunity is too good for me to pass up. 0:01:57.800 --> 0:01:59.760 Well, oh yeah, I mean, I think there's so many 0:01:59.760 --> 0:02:02.320 differ factors that went into it. I think family was 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:05.640 the most important thing for me. I was able to 0:02:05.640 --> 0:02:07.640 spend some time with my family, and I've got kids 0:02:07.640 --> 0:02:09.720 that are that are a little older now, and we 0:02:09.800 --> 0:02:11.320 knew at some point we were gonna have to move 0:02:11.320 --> 0:02:13.000 and we wanted to be sure that we were able 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:15.079 to get them through high school. So we knew we 0:02:15.080 --> 0:02:17.160 were going to do something. We didn't know exactly what. 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:19.359 But when this opportunity came up to be able to 0:02:19.360 --> 0:02:21.240 work with a guy like Robert Sala, a bunch of 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:22.960 the coaches that are on this staff that I've worked 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:25.520 with in the past and I know and I believe in, 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:28.600 and I trust, and Rudy and Cotton, and Ron Middleton 0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:32.160 and obviously Robert mentioned before, but those guys mean so 0:02:32.240 --> 0:02:33.320 much to me that I knew that it was a 0:02:33.360 --> 0:02:36.160 good thing being with Scar in the past, just a 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:39.000 lot of familiarity, and then it being the Jets place 0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:41.880 that my dad had been, being close to New York 0:02:41.960 --> 0:02:43.280 and New Jersey. I mean, there were just so many 0:02:43.320 --> 0:02:45.600 positive things about it that as a family, we decided 0:02:45.639 --> 0:02:48.280 we wanted to hop right back on it and get going. 0:02:48.440 --> 0:02:51.200 When Robert gave you the call, what was your initial reaction. 0:02:52.080 --> 0:02:54.040 I thought we were just going to talk and find 0:02:54.080 --> 0:02:56.320 out about Lifelove and the pursuit and happiness, and then 0:02:56.560 --> 0:02:59.120 all of a sudden was it was about, you know, seriously, 0:02:59.240 --> 0:03:02.520 you know, becoming part of the staff. And he was 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:05.240 great throughout the whole process. It was obviously an emotional 0:03:05.480 --> 0:03:08.040 year last year and just working with him. And he's 0:03:08.040 --> 0:03:09.799 a friend that I've talked to. I talked to last 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:12.200 year while I was at Green Bay. We've always kept 0:03:12.200 --> 0:03:14.079 in touch and I've had so much respect for him 0:03:14.120 --> 0:03:17.160 that he was wonderful through the whole thing, and it 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:18.440 just seemed like it was the right thing to do. 0:03:18.760 --> 0:03:21.519 Why did you guys bond back to your days in 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:24.400 Jacksonville when he was a linebackers coach here the quarterbacks coach. 0:03:24.800 --> 0:03:27.160 Yeah, you know, we hit it off real early. I 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:30.040 remember we had a fantasy baseball team and with some 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:32.080 of his friends, and you know, we just had a 0:03:32.080 --> 0:03:35.120 lot of things that were in common, and I loved 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:37.840 his coaching style. He was very energetic like I was. 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:39.800 So we just kind of hit it off, and we, 0:03:40.240 --> 0:03:41.839 like I said, we had kept in touch since then. 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:43.880 Who was a better fantasy baseball player? 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:46.400 He definitely was. I did not do as good as 0:03:46.400 --> 0:03:49.840 I thought. I just drafted one couple particular teams instead 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:52.240 of going for probably what was the right decision to do. 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:53.720 He's an ultra competitive dude. 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:56.680 He is. I have not gotten on there with him, 0:03:56.720 --> 0:03:58.640 but anything that goes on. We've had a couple of 0:03:58.640 --> 0:04:02.440 competitions between the two of us a lot, and it's 0:04:02.440 --> 0:04:05.480 always fun to compete. I'm not gonna say who won 0:04:05.520 --> 0:04:08.720 those competitions me, but it's a lot of fun to 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:09.080 compete with. 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:11.880 All right. So did you see had coaching in his 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:14.440 future back in the day when you were a Jackson. 0:04:15.040 --> 0:04:17.240 I think there's so many coaches that you see things 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:19.760 like that. You see their energy, their passion, their love 0:04:19.800 --> 0:04:22.600 for the game, and I think Robert had all those things. 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:25.160 And when he had that opportunity, I became the coordinator 0:04:25.160 --> 0:04:27.560 of the Jaguars and he became the coordinator of the Niners. 0:04:28.360 --> 0:04:31.000 I mean, I knew it was going to be only 0:04:31.320 --> 0:04:34.360 so much time before he would get that opportunity. I mean, 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:36.360 just his passion for the game, and like I said, 0:04:36.360 --> 0:04:40.080 the love for the players and everything is it's pretty phenomenal. 0:04:40.600 --> 0:04:44.760 You are your old man, But how are you similar 0:04:44.800 --> 0:04:47.520 as a play caller? Is Paul Hackett? How are you 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:49.440 different as a play caller than Paul Hackett. 0:04:49.440 --> 0:04:53.440 Oh wow, I'll tell you the game has changed so 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:57.719 much since my dad called called football games. He talks 0:04:57.760 --> 0:05:00.400 to me all the time about how his whole career 0:05:00.520 --> 0:05:04.159 he never got in the gun one time. Every single 0:05:04.160 --> 0:05:06.640 play he called was from under center, which is amazing. 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:08.359 So there's so many different things that we do and 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:11.000 so many things that we face. I think that we're 0:05:11.040 --> 0:05:13.400 always going to have the mentality of trying to be 0:05:13.520 --> 0:05:16.240 aggressive with efficiency. I think we always want to try 0:05:16.240 --> 0:05:18.280 to get those those explosive plays. That's something that we're 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:22.039 always hunting, but understanding when to capitalize on that and 0:05:22.080 --> 0:05:26.600 still get an easy check down or follow through your progression. 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:29.160 We very much coach the same way that way, but 0:05:29.240 --> 0:05:31.400 I would I would say were we both were always 0:05:31.480 --> 0:05:32.320 pretty aggressive. 0:05:32.440 --> 0:05:35.000 You're dead was a disciple of Bill Walsh. Of course, 0:05:35.400 --> 0:05:39.120 when you hear the term West Coast offense, what's the 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:40.000 first thing you think of? 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:42.320 Probably Bill Walsh, that might be the first thing that 0:05:42.720 --> 0:05:45.280 pops to my head, But the West Coast and a 0:05:45.279 --> 0:05:47.200 lot of people talk about that, They say, oh, it's 0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:50.760 West Coast and this and that, and you know, everybody 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:52.760 runs a lot of the same plays. I think the 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:54.920 West Coast is based on how you coach the quarterback 0:05:55.080 --> 0:05:57.080 and how you talk to them about their footwork, their eyes, 0:05:57.080 --> 0:06:01.440 their progression, the different mechanics from the center back into 0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:03.880 the pocket or in the gun. And I think that's 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:06.799 what I'd like to feel as though I'm a true 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:10.280 West Coast guy from the standpoint of learning from my father, 0:06:10.440 --> 0:06:13.760 learning from Alex van Pelt, whom my dad actually coached them, 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:18.200 just kind of learning through him and seeing the positives 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:20.520 of it and the rhythm and the timing of it. 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:24.560 And it's a fun different way to coach the quarterback. Today. 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:26.920 We're going to talk about your quarterback here in a moment, 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:29.640 but can you talk about the successes that you had 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:32.400 with different guys along the way. Kyle Whorton had a 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:36.520 career year with you in Buffalo. You talk about Blake Bortles, 0:06:36.880 --> 0:06:40.440 You guys advanced NFC Championship Game. If memory serves me correctly, 0:06:40.480 --> 0:06:43.240 you had a lead on New England in that second half. 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:45.080 Can you talk about those experiences. 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:48.440 I think one of the most fun that I've had 0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:51.920 throughout my career is being able to help different guys 0:06:51.960 --> 0:06:56.800 all become successful, and every guy's different. Every single guy 0:06:56.839 --> 0:06:58.640 I've ever coached every guy I've called a play for 0:06:59.120 --> 0:07:02.960 they're also completely different. And the challenge for every coach 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:04.839 is to be able to fit your system within them 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:06.800 and what they can do and how they can do 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:10.200 it efficiently. And as a coach, you might love one play, 0:07:10.280 --> 0:07:11.880 but if a guy can't do it, you have to 0:07:12.040 --> 0:07:14.360 kind of put your ego aside and do something that 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:16.120 that guy is going to be able to be successful at. 0:07:16.160 --> 0:07:18.800 And I'll tell Kyle Orton was such a pleasure to 0:07:18.840 --> 0:07:21.200 work with when we were at Buffalo that year and 0:07:21.240 --> 0:07:23.800 he came in there and we did some really good things, 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:26.480 and it was about him. It was what can he do, 0:07:26.600 --> 0:07:28.920 what is he comfortable with, what are his favorite plays? 0:07:28.960 --> 0:07:30.360 And then we try to fit it around him. And 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:32.960 the same thing with Blake. Working with Blake, I had 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:34.679 been with him for two years, had a great feel 0:07:34.720 --> 0:07:38.080 for him, and you try to pick those things that 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:40.800 would make him the most successful. And I think that 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:43.720 he really believed in all that stuff. And I mean 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:46.360 that year was absolutely incredible. I mean, just the offense 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:50.680 in general was much better than some even remember Yea 0:07:51.000 --> 0:07:53.160 and Blake did such a great job in the playoffs 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:56.960 and we had a chance. We have a chance, and sometimes, 0:07:57.000 --> 0:07:59.000 you know, you get up to New England and things 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:01.120 don't go your way. But I'll tell you it was 0:08:01.160 --> 0:08:02.240 a heck of a season that year. 0:08:02.360 --> 0:08:05.320 Did you tinker with the blocking system up front? Because 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:07.560 we always talk about the zone blocking, but then you 0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:10.720 had this straight ahead, big power back in leanner of 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:13.520 four not. Can you talk about maybe adapting to your personnel. 0:08:13.880 --> 0:08:17.800 Yeah. When I first started, I was primarily inside zone 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:20.600 and gap schemes, so it was all downhill. That was 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:22.720 kind of the runs that I had learned the most. 0:08:23.360 --> 0:08:25.840 I think kind of the last chapter for me to learn. 0:08:25.880 --> 0:08:27.960 I've been in so many different systems, created some of 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:30.320 my own, and I really wanted to learn the outside 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:34.240 zone world. I always saw some amazing explosive plays, some 0:08:34.320 --> 0:08:37.240 really great play pass actions, and I never really knew 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:39.800 those until I got to Green Bay and Matt Lafloor 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:43.240 opened my eyes to another world of you know, we 0:08:43.280 --> 0:08:45.320 had the inside zone, we had the gap schemes, we 0:08:45.360 --> 0:08:47.440 had all those things, and we were very good at those. 0:08:47.920 --> 0:08:50.040 But then all of a sudden, here's this outside zone 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:53.360 world that I mean, it's just mind blowing on the 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:56.240 space you can get for the running backs, the redistribution 0:08:56.320 --> 0:08:58.199 of the linebackers in the play pass to be able 0:08:58.240 --> 0:08:59.719 to throw the ball down the field. So I think 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:01.800 that was kind of the last thing that I heard 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:05.680 which really made the system that we've got now really 0:09:05.720 --> 0:09:08.960 all encompassing, so that you have the ability to change 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:11.360 your system for the personnel that you have too. If 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:13.680 you can attack with outside zone, you can get after it, 0:09:13.720 --> 0:09:16.520 if you need to go more downhill, We've got expertise 0:09:16.559 --> 0:09:18.719 in that now, So I think that was kind of 0:09:18.760 --> 0:09:20.959 the culmination of everything. So it's great to have a 0:09:20.960 --> 0:09:23.960 little bit of everything to change it for the players. 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:26.440 When you go to Green Bay, how do you establish 0:09:26.520 --> 0:09:29.720 that connection with Aaron Rodgers. Obviously, you guys are a 0:09:29.720 --> 0:09:33.079 new staff there. They had just finished with Mike McCarthy 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:37.000 this long run. You as a guy who's going to 0:09:37.000 --> 0:09:39.360 be in a quarterback's ear every day, who's going to 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:42.160 be in the meeting room with him every day, how 0:09:42.160 --> 0:09:43.760 do you establish a connection. 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:47.280 With Aaron and I I think we both got really lucky. 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:49.000 I mean, I think we both have a lot of 0:09:49.000 --> 0:09:52.680 the same personality. We're both very inquisitive. We both like 0:09:52.760 --> 0:09:55.480 to know a lot of different answers for everything, and 0:09:55.800 --> 0:09:58.360 I think we just kind of hit it off from that, 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:00.959 and also having the background of the West Coast system. 0:10:01.400 --> 0:10:04.800 Mike McCarthy, who's somebody that I have so much respect 0:10:04.800 --> 0:10:08.160 for and care for so much, had trained Aaron and 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:10.959 he had come my dad actually had been with him 0:10:11.000 --> 0:10:13.439 for eight years, so Mike kind of learned from him. 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:16.079 So the same things that I learned growing up was 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:17.800 the same stuff that Aaron was trained in early in 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:19.960 his career. So we had a connection with kind of 0:10:19.960 --> 0:10:22.840 the old school West Coast world, the true West Coast world. 0:10:23.559 --> 0:10:25.080 We also had a lot of that, as I said, 0:10:25.120 --> 0:10:28.800 inquisitive mindset, and we just in the end have a 0:10:28.800 --> 0:10:31.520 lot of the same personality, just our humor and everything, 0:10:31.559 --> 0:10:33.800 and we just hit it off. And it's one of 0:10:33.800 --> 0:10:37.000 those things. It's our relationship is strong now and I'm 0:10:37.080 --> 0:10:37.920 very grateful for it. 0:10:38.120 --> 0:10:40.880 Did you know that right away, like early on in 0:10:40.920 --> 0:10:43.760 your tenure with the Packers, that hey, listen, not only 0:10:43.760 --> 0:10:45.720 do I have a special player, this is a future 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:47.600 Hall of Famer, one of the best who's ever thrown 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:50.840 the football, but also that we have a lot of 0:10:50.840 --> 0:10:55.040 parallels and that our communication is really strong. 0:10:55.760 --> 0:10:58.120 I think it's you slowly got to learn it as 0:10:58.240 --> 0:11:00.760 our relationship developed, as we spent more and more time. 0:11:00.840 --> 0:11:03.720 I mean, the amount of time that quarterbacks and the 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:08.400 coaches spend together is extensive, and just over time, we 0:11:08.800 --> 0:11:11.240 kept just getting to know each other more and more 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:14.120 and respecting each other more and more. And I think 0:11:14.160 --> 0:11:17.160 for me, you know, you know who Aaron Rodgers is 0:11:17.280 --> 0:11:19.000 a player, but I think until you get to know 0:11:19.080 --> 0:11:22.079 him as a person, I think that's even more astounding. 0:11:22.200 --> 0:11:23.679 I mean, how great of a guy he is, how 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:25.680 much he cares about the team and all those things. 0:11:26.320 --> 0:11:28.760 I mean, I just I can't say enough good things 0:11:28.800 --> 0:11:30.680 about him and my experience that I've had with him. 0:11:30.760 --> 0:11:32.720 How does he raise the standard of everybody in. 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:35.800 The building just by walking in. He walks in and 0:11:36.160 --> 0:11:39.160 you feel that rror that surrounds him. 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I remember it was 0:13:20.400 --> 0:13:22.920 the COVID year and we had just come off the 0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:25.080 twenty nineteen season. I don't think a lot of people 0:13:25.120 --> 0:13:27.520 expected us to do what we did that year, and 0:13:27.720 --> 0:13:29.400 the reality of it is, we weren't a very good 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:32.520 offense that first year. We started picking up steam as 0:13:32.520 --> 0:13:34.520 the season went on. I think it was the Raider 0:13:34.559 --> 0:13:37.199 game that was a big, big kind of push forward 0:13:37.240 --> 0:13:39.640 when we played them. I think Aaron had one of 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:42.720 his perfect games in that one, and then we started 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:46.280 getting a role. But I would say going that second year, 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:50.160 that COVID year, we all sat down and really created 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:53.560 a system for who we were. We kind of took 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:55.680 all the different things from the West Coast system, the 0:13:56.160 --> 0:13:58.439 quick game, the dropback world, paired it up with the 0:13:58.480 --> 0:14:03.080 play pass, and I think we just made this beautiful playbook. 0:14:03.240 --> 0:14:05.000 It was kind of like the one from Waterboy. You 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:08.000 know that you hide the playbook and I think it 0:14:08.040 --> 0:14:09.920 was perfect for Aaron and the team that we had 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:12.360 at that time, and it showed on the field. I 0:14:12.400 --> 0:14:14.920 mean it was magic. I mean it was unbelievable. I 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:18.240 mean we were getting people open all over the field 0:14:18.280 --> 0:14:22.800 and Aaron was making amazing throws and Davante was on 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:25.880 another level. Alan Lazarre was playing lights out. Bobby Tonyan 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:28.200 I think had ten touchdowns. I think Aaron threw for 0:14:28.560 --> 0:14:32.200 like forty eight touchdowns. I mean, it was really a 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:35.480 special year, especially when we got into the old red 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:37.600 zone we called the gold zone a little bit, but 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:40.600 it was great. And then twenty one was a lot 0:14:40.600 --> 0:14:44.000 of the same. It wasn't as dramatic as that twenty twenty, 0:14:44.040 --> 0:14:46.160 but Aaron was playing lights out and I think he 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:48.520 just knew what we were trying to accomplish all the time. 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:51.840 I thought Matt did a great job game planning with 0:14:51.880 --> 0:14:53.960 all of us and getting the right plan for the guys. 0:14:54.000 --> 0:14:56.720 And those were two amazing years. I wish they would 0:14:56.760 --> 0:14:57.920 have ended with the trophy. 0:14:58.120 --> 0:15:01.040 Well, maybe get one here is that the all impressive 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:04.960 stat above the rust that he's posted throughout his career, 0:15:05.000 --> 0:15:07.760 the touchdown interception ratio number one in NFL history. 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:11.160 I mean, it's unbelievable. I mean, I think that year 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:13.560 it was forty eight touchdowns. I think it might have 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:16.200 been five interceptions or something like that. It was in 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:17.000 the single digits. 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:20.440 And be able to do that though. You think about him, 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:23.160 and I think about a guy who's not afraid of 0:15:23.160 --> 0:15:25.440 making any throw. Of course, and he can make any throw. 0:15:26.000 --> 0:15:29.080 No, that's true. And I think the beauty of Aaron 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:32.720 is his ability to see the defense and understanding why 0:15:32.720 --> 0:15:35.520 we're attacking, how we're attacking something. And like we said, 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:38.000 we want to be aggressive with efficiency. I think he 0:15:38.120 --> 0:15:41.800 is that to a t. He's unbelievably aggressive, but he's 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:44.080 smart in his decisions. He knows when to take a 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:46.600 risk and when not to take a risk. He knows 0:15:46.640 --> 0:15:48.640 what he sees, so he knows when he can trust 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:52.360 his feet to progress and move along the progression instead 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:55.240 of potentially forcing something that it might have worked, but 0:15:55.600 --> 0:15:57.960 there's just too much risk. So I think that's what 0:15:58.040 --> 0:16:00.920 he His assessment of that throughout the game and in 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:02.880 real time is pretty spectacular. 0:16:03.560 --> 0:16:05.360 Have you ever had a week in the National Football 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:08.760 League like the week we just lived through. On Tuesday, 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:13.920 the trade really became official as far as dott and 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:16.920 I's crossing the tes, Adam Schefter reported on Monday. But 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:19.160 then you go through a draft where the team adds 0:16:19.240 --> 0:16:20.080 seven players. 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:22.760 No, I mean it's it was. It was a long 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:26.800 week last week. There's been a lot going on and 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:29.560 it's funny. The excitement is definitely in the air, but 0:16:29.560 --> 0:16:31.440 there's still so much work to be done. I mean, 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:33.760 just with Aaron getting to know the players, the players 0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:36.560 getting to know him, you know, we're far off, but 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:39.080 we're going in the right direction, which is all the matters. 0:16:39.280 --> 0:16:41.560 What do you cents from him walking into the building. 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:45.280 Excitement, He's got a smile on his face. I think 0:16:45.280 --> 0:16:47.880 he's enjoying himself. And I think that when you can 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:50.600 have any player come into the building and be excited 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:52.080 to walk in the building, you know they're going to 0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:54.960 make strides as a player. I think that's so important. 0:16:54.960 --> 0:16:56.640 If they walk into a building and don't want to 0:16:56.680 --> 0:17:00.840 be in there, or there's any kind of adversity, especially 0:17:00.840 --> 0:17:02.720 in the off season, you're just not going to get 0:17:02.760 --> 0:17:05.719 as much out of him, out of the players in general. 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:08.000 And so I think for him, he's got a smile 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:09.640 on his face. Like I said, he's I mean, heck, 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:12.440 he's been going to all these New York functions and 0:17:12.520 --> 0:17:14.960 enjoying the scene and everything, So I think that's so important, 0:17:15.040 --> 0:17:15.760 especially taking it. 0:17:16.480 --> 0:17:18.520 No, he hasn't come on, Oh you're not trying to 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:18.800 get in. 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:22.439 No, No, he gets to go enjoy all that stuff. 0:17:22.480 --> 0:17:24.720 All right. What do you think about the draft pickups? 0:17:24.880 --> 0:17:26.520 You get a center in the second round with the 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:31.080 nice mullet, Joe Tipman from a mullet, Carter Warren, Yeah, 0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:34.000 left tackle from Pittsburgh. I wanted to ask you about him. 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:36.800 Is he in the fifth round? A local kid running back? 0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:41.000 Explosive and then interesting flyer in the seventh round from 0:17:41.040 --> 0:17:43.280 old Dominion in six to eight and can run like 0:17:43.320 --> 0:17:43.560 the win. 0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:47.080 Yes, No, there's definitely guys we're excited to work with. 0:17:47.760 --> 0:17:51.200 For me and my experience, you're always excited about rookies 0:17:51.400 --> 0:17:53.800 on the outside because of all those different things that 0:17:53.880 --> 0:17:56.280 you say, those those stats and all that. But the 0:17:56.280 --> 0:17:59.280 game changes so much in the NFL, So I'm very 0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:01.840 excited about to work with them, and we'll see how 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:03.560 fast they can pick it up and adjust to the 0:18:03.560 --> 0:18:04.280 speed of the game. 0:18:04.880 --> 0:18:07.680 How much is can a guy like Rogers help Tipman 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:08.960 as he makes this transition. 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:13.720 Uh, Tipman is gonna have a unique experience with Aaron. 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:16.119 Aaron is very particular in a lot of things, just 0:18:16.160 --> 0:18:20.439 like everybody on the field in that huddle, we'll see, 0:18:21.119 --> 0:18:24.040 he's a guy that knows how he wants it, what 0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:26.280 it looks like, and he's going to do everything he 0:18:26.320 --> 0:18:27.439