1 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: We're presented by win Bet. Benny is a team sport 2 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: bet together at win Bett. Eric Allen here at one 3 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: Jets Drive and the upstairs studios, joined by offensive coordinator 4 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: Nathaniel Hackett. This has been a family business for the 5 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: Hackets because your dad, Paul Hackett, the Jets offensive coordinator 6 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: from two thousand and one to two thousand and four. 7 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: How surreal has this been so far? 8 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 2: Oh, it's been amazing. I mean I still remember going 9 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 2: to visit my father now was in a hostra which 10 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 2: was a little bit different than this facility, which is 11 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 2: absolutely amazing. But no, those were some great years. I 12 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 2: mean Kevin Maway, Curtis Martin, Chad Pennington, Gerald Soul, I 13 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:49,880 Speaker 2: mean Santana Moss, Anthony beckt all those guys that Dave Zott, 14 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 2: who's in the building with us right now. But I 15 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 2: just remember watching those games and watching my dad and 16 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 2: all the success that that was going on during that time, 17 00:00:57,320 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 2: and to be part of it and in the building 18 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 2: is absolutely a pleasure and I'm so grateful. 19 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: So I tweeted about this the other night. The last 20 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:08,279 Speaker 1: time the Jets had a home playoff game was following 21 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 1: the two thousand and two season when we were just 22 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: talking about it. That's the last time the Jets won 23 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 1: the division. Jets shut out Peyton Manning in the Indianapolis 24 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: Colts forty one. 25 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 2: To know if I had a nickel for every time 26 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:21,960 Speaker 2: my dad talks to me about that game? Does he 27 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 2: really all the time? Still? When I think when I 28 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 2: got the job here, he's, hey, you remember that playoff 29 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 2: game we beat the Colts and shut him out? I 30 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 2: was like, yes, Dad, I've seen it, seen it numerous times. 31 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 2: I was not there, but I remember watching it. I 32 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 2: was I was coaching at the time. I believe it's 33 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 2: Stanford during then, or maybe I was. I think I 34 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 2: was actually still in college, and I remember he sent 35 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:44,119 Speaker 2: me the tape. It was one of his funnest games 36 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 2: that he's ever ever coached. 37 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: What are you doing here right now? Because, as Robert 38 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: Sala said, your feet could be in the sand, you 39 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: could be on a beach somewhere, but you decided, hey, listen, 40 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: this opportunity is too good for me to pass up. 41 00:01:57,800 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 2: Well, oh yeah, I mean, I think there's so many 42 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 2: differ factors that went into it. I think family was 43 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 2: the most important thing for me. I was able to 44 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 2: spend some time with my family, and I've got kids 45 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 2: that are that are a little older now, and we 46 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 2: knew at some point we were gonna have to move 47 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 2: and we wanted to be sure that we were able 48 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:15,079 Speaker 2: to get them through high school. So we knew we 49 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 2: were going to do something. We didn't know exactly what. 50 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:19,359 Speaker 2: But when this opportunity came up to be able to 51 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 2: work with a guy like Robert Sala, a bunch of 52 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 2: the coaches that are on this staff that I've worked 53 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 2: with in the past and I know and I believe in, 54 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 2: and I trust, and Rudy and Cotton, and Ron Middleton 55 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 2: and obviously Robert mentioned before, but those guys mean so 56 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 2: much to me that I knew that it was a 57 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 2: good thing being with Scar in the past, just a 58 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 2: lot of familiarity, and then it being the Jets place 59 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 2: that my dad had been, being close to New York 60 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 2: and New Jersey. I mean, there were just so many 61 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 2: positive things about it that as a family, we decided 62 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 2: we wanted to hop right back on it and get going. 63 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: When Robert gave you the call, what was your initial reaction. 64 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 2: I thought we were just going to talk and find 65 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 2: out about Lifelove and the pursuit and happiness, and then 66 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 2: all of a sudden was it was about, you know, seriously, 67 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 2: you know, becoming part of the staff. And he was 68 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 2: great throughout the whole process. It was obviously an emotional 69 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 2: year last year and just working with him. And he's 70 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:09,799 Speaker 2: a friend that I've talked to. I talked to last 71 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 2: year while I was at Green Bay. We've always kept 72 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,079 Speaker 2: in touch and I've had so much respect for him 73 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 2: that he was wonderful through the whole thing, and it 74 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 2: just seemed like it was the right thing to do. 75 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:21,519 Speaker 1: Why did you guys bond back to your days in 76 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: Jacksonville when he was a linebackers coach here the quarterbacks coach. 77 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, we hit it off real early. I 78 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 2: remember we had a fantasy baseball team and with some 79 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 2: of his friends, and you know, we just had a 80 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 2: lot of things that were in common, and I loved 81 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 2: his coaching style. He was very energetic like I was. 82 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 2: So we just kind of hit it off, and we, 83 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:41,839 Speaker 2: like I said, we had kept in touch since then. 84 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: Who was a better fantasy baseball player? 85 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 2: He definitely was. I did not do as good as 86 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 2: I thought. I just drafted one couple particular teams instead 87 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 2: of going for probably what was the right decision to do. 88 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: He's an ultra competitive dude. 89 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 2: He is. I have not gotten on there with him, 90 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 2: but anything that goes on. We've had a couple of 91 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 2: competitions between the two of us a lot, and it's 92 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 2: always fun to compete. I'm not gonna say who won 93 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 2: those competitions me, but it's a lot of fun to 94 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 2: compete with. 95 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: All right. So did you see had coaching in his 96 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: future back in the day when you were a Jackson. 97 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 2: I think there's so many coaches that you see things 98 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 2: like that. You see their energy, their passion, their love 99 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 2: for the game, and I think Robert had all those things. 100 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 2: And when he had that opportunity, I became the coordinator 101 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 2: of the Jaguars and he became the coordinator of the Niners. 102 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 2: I mean, I knew it was going to be only 103 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 2: so much time before he would get that opportunity. I mean, 104 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 2: just his passion for the game, and like I said, 105 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 2: the love for the players and everything is it's pretty phenomenal. 106 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 1: You are your old man, But how are you similar 107 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 1: as a play caller? Is Paul Hackett? How are you 108 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: different as a play caller than Paul Hackett. 109 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 2: Oh wow, I'll tell you the game has changed so 110 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 2: much since my dad called called football games. He talks 111 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 2: to me all the time about how his whole career 112 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 2: he never got in the gun one time. Every single 113 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 2: play he called was from under center, which is amazing. 114 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:08,359 Speaker 2: So there's so many different things that we do and 115 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 2: so many things that we face. I think that we're 116 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 2: always going to have the mentality of trying to be 117 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 2: aggressive with efficiency. I think we always want to try 118 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:18,280 Speaker 2: to get those those explosive plays. That's something that we're 119 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:22,039 Speaker 2: always hunting, but understanding when to capitalize on that and 120 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 2: still get an easy check down or follow through your progression. 121 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 2: We very much coach the same way that way, but 122 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 2: I would I would say were we both were always 123 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 2: pretty aggressive. 124 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: You're dead was a disciple of Bill Walsh. Of course, 125 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 1: when you hear the term West Coast offense, what's the 126 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: first thing you think of? 127 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 2: Probably Bill Walsh, that might be the first thing that 128 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:45,280 Speaker 2: pops to my head, But the West Coast and a 129 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 2: lot of people talk about that, They say, oh, it's 130 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 2: West Coast and this and that, and you know, everybody 131 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 2: runs a lot of the same plays. I think the 132 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 2: West Coast is based on how you coach the quarterback 133 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 2: and how you talk to them about their footwork, their eyes, 134 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 2: their progression, the different mechanics from the center back into 135 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 2: the pocket or in the gun. And I think that's 136 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:06,799 Speaker 2: what I'd like to feel as though I'm a true 137 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:10,280 Speaker 2: West Coast guy from the standpoint of learning from my father, 138 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 2: learning from Alex van Pelt, whom my dad actually coached them, 139 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 2: just kind of learning through him and seeing the positives 140 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 2: of it and the rhythm and the timing of it. 141 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 2: And it's a fun different way to coach the quarterback. Today. 142 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 1: We're going to talk about your quarterback here in a moment, 143 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: but can you talk about the successes that you had 144 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: with different guys along the way. Kyle Whorton had a 145 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: career year with you in Buffalo. You talk about Blake Bortles, 146 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: You guys advanced NFC Championship Game. If memory serves me correctly, 147 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: you had a lead on New England in that second half. 148 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: Can you talk about those experiences. 149 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 2: I think one of the most fun that I've had 150 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 2: throughout my career is being able to help different guys 151 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 2: all become successful, and every guy's different. Every single guy 152 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 2: I've ever coached every guy I've called a play for 153 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 2: they're also completely different. And the challenge for every coach 154 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 2: is to be able to fit your system within them 155 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 2: and what they can do and how they can do 156 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 2: it efficiently. And as a coach, you might love one play, 157 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 2: but if a guy can't do it, you have to 158 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 2: kind of put your ego aside and do something that 159 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 2: that guy is going to be able to be successful at. 160 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 2: And I'll tell Kyle Orton was such a pleasure to 161 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 2: work with when we were at Buffalo that year and 162 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 2: he came in there and we did some really good things, 163 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 2: and it was about him. It was what can he do, 164 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 2: what is he comfortable with, what are his favorite plays? 165 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 2: And then we try to fit it around him. And 166 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 2: the same thing with Blake. Working with Blake, I had 167 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:34,679 Speaker 2: been with him for two years, had a great feel 168 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 2: for him, and you try to pick those things that 169 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 2: would make him the most successful. And I think that 170 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 2: he really believed in all that stuff. And I mean 171 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 2: that year was absolutely incredible. I mean, just the offense 172 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 2: in general was much better than some even remember Yea 173 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 2: and Blake did such a great job in the playoffs 174 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 2: and we had a chance. We have a chance, and sometimes, 175 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 2: you know, you get up to New England and things 176 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 2: don't go your way. But I'll tell you it was 177 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 2: a heck of a season that year. 178 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: Did you tinker with the blocking system up front? Because 179 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: we always talk about the zone blocking, but then you 180 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: had this straight ahead, big power back in leanner of 181 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: four not. Can you talk about maybe adapting to your personnel. 182 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. When I first started, I was primarily inside zone 183 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 2: and gap schemes, so it was all downhill. That was 184 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 2: kind of the runs that I had learned the most. 185 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 2: I think kind of the last chapter for me to learn. 186 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 2: I've been in so many different systems, created some of 187 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 2: my own, and I really wanted to learn the outside 188 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 2: zone world. I always saw some amazing explosive plays, some 189 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 2: really great play pass actions, and I never really knew 190 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 2: those until I got to Green Bay and Matt Lafloor 191 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 2: opened my eyes to another world of you know, we 192 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 2: had the inside zone, we had the gap schemes, we 193 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 2: had all those things, and we were very good at those. 194 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 2: But then all of a sudden, here's this outside zone 195 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 2: world that I mean, it's just mind blowing on the 196 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 2: space you can get for the running backs, the redistribution 197 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:58,199 Speaker 2: of the linebackers in the play pass to be able 198 00:08:58,240 --> 00:08:59,719 Speaker 2: to throw the ball down the field. So I think 199 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 2: that was kind of the last thing that I heard 200 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 2: which really made the system that we've got now really 201 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 2: all encompassing, so that you have the ability to change 202 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 2: your system for the personnel that you have too. If 203 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:13,680 Speaker 2: you can attack with outside zone, you can get after it, 204 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 2: if you need to go more downhill, We've got expertise 205 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:18,719 Speaker 2: in that now, So I think that was kind of 206 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:20,959 Speaker 2: the culmination of everything. So it's great to have a 207 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 2: little bit of everything to change it for the players. 208 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 1: When you go to Green Bay, how do you establish 209 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 1: that connection with Aaron Rodgers. Obviously, you guys are a 210 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:33,079 Speaker 1: new staff there. They had just finished with Mike McCarthy 211 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: this long run. You as a guy who's going to 212 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 1: be in a quarterback's ear every day, who's going to 213 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: be in the meeting room with him every day, how 214 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 1: do you establish a connection. 215 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 2: With Aaron and I I think we both got really lucky. 216 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 2: I mean, I think we both have a lot of 217 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 2: the same personality. We're both very inquisitive. We both like 218 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 2: to know a lot of different answers for everything, and 219 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 2: I think we just kind of hit it off from that, 220 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:00,959 Speaker 2: and also having the background of the West Coast system. 221 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 2: Mike McCarthy, who's somebody that I have so much respect 222 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 2: for and care for so much, had trained Aaron and 223 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:10,959 Speaker 2: he had come my dad actually had been with him 224 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,439 Speaker 2: for eight years, so Mike kind of learned from him. 225 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:16,079 Speaker 2: So the same things that I learned growing up was 226 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 2: the same stuff that Aaron was trained in early in 227 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 2: his career. So we had a connection with kind of 228 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 2: the old school West Coast world, the true West Coast world. 229 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 2: We also had a lot of that, as I said, 230 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 2: inquisitive mindset, and we just in the end have a 231 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 2: lot of the same personality, just our humor and everything, 232 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 2: and we just hit it off. And it's one of 233 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 2: those things. It's our relationship is strong now and I'm 234 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 2: very grateful for it. 235 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: Did you know that right away, like early on in 236 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: your tenure with the Packers, that hey, listen, not only 237 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: do I have a special player, this is a future 238 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 1: Hall of Famer, one of the best who's ever thrown 239 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 1: the football, but also that we have a lot of 240 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 1: parallels and that our communication is really strong. 241 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 2: I think it's you slowly got to learn it as 242 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 2: our relationship developed, as we spent more and more time. 243 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 2: I mean, the amount of time that quarterbacks and the 244 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 2: coaches spend together is extensive, and just over time, we 245 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 2: kept just getting to know each other more and more 246 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 2: and respecting each other more and more. And I think 247 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 2: for me, you know, you know who Aaron Rodgers is 248 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 2: a player, but I think until you get to know 249 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:22,079 Speaker 2: him as a person, I think that's even more astounding. 250 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 2: I mean, how great of a guy he is, how 251 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 2: much he cares about the team and all those things. 252 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 2: I mean, I just I can't say enough good things 253 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:30,680 Speaker 2: about him and my experience that I've had with him. 254 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 1: How does he raise the standard of everybody in. 255 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 2: The building just by walking in. He walks in and 256 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 2: you feel that rror that surrounds him. I mean, he's 257 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 2: a man that has a chip on his shoulder all 258 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 2: the time and wants to be great at everything he does. 259 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 2: He's an unbelievably ultra competitive human being. It doesn't matter 260 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 2: what you're playing or competing against him. He wants to 261 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 2: do every single thing he can to win, and he 262 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:57,679 Speaker 2: doesn't care who you are. And I think it's all 263 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 2: those things coming together, and he cares it's not just 264 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 2: I'm a football player. I'm a football player, but it's 265 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 2: also he cares about the people around him and wants 266 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 2: to get to know them. 267 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 3: Jets fans, we're in our final push and the clock 268 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 3: is ticking. Win bet is giving you a golden opportunity 269 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 3: to win VIP prizes for the twenty twenty three season. 270 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 3: The win Bet Green Room is the most exclusive space 271 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:25,839 Speaker 3: at the stadium with all inclusive food and beverage, lower 272 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:30,199 Speaker 3: level seats, and appearances by Jets legends and celebrities. New 273 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:32,839 Speaker 3: Jersey customers, all you need to do is wager at 274 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 3: least one hundred dollars on win BET's sports book or casino. 275 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 3: For New York customers, all you need to do is 276 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 3: wager at least one hundred dollars on win Bett's sports book. 277 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 3: The best part, you get an entry for every one 278 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 3: hundred dollars you wagers. 279 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: Obviously last year year in Denver, about what we're twenty 280 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:54,319 Speaker 1: and twenty one like for you in that position, Because 281 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 1: I think when people think about Aaron, they're automatically just 282 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 1: looking back at last year when he dealt with a 283 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 1: number of injuries and still would have posted some of 284 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: the best numbers a Jets passer has ever had, and 285 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 1: this franchise has been around since nineteen sixty, but the 286 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:12,079 Speaker 1: numbers in twenty and twenty one, when he's back to 287 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: back MVPs of this league, we're not far removed from that. 288 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, those years were absolutely remarkable. I remember it was 289 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 2: the COVID year and we had just come off the 290 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 2: twenty nineteen season. I don't think a lot of people 291 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 2: expected us to do what we did that year, and 292 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 2: the reality of it is, we weren't a very good 293 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 2: offense that first year. We started picking up steam as 294 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 2: the season went on. I think it was the Raider 295 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:37,199 Speaker 2: game that was a big, big kind of push forward 296 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 2: when we played them. I think Aaron had one of 297 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 2: his perfect games in that one, and then we started 298 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 2: getting a role. But I would say going that second year, 299 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 2: that COVID year, we all sat down and really created 300 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 2: a system for who we were. We kind of took 301 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:55,680 Speaker 2: all the different things from the West Coast system, the 302 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:58,439 Speaker 2: quick game, the dropback world, paired it up with the 303 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 2: play pass, and I think we just made this beautiful playbook. 304 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 2: It was kind of like the one from Waterboy. You 305 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 2: know that you hide the playbook and I think it 306 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 2: was perfect for Aaron and the team that we had 307 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 2: at that time, and it showed on the field. I 308 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 2: mean it was magic. I mean it was unbelievable. I 309 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 2: mean we were getting people open all over the field 310 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 2: and Aaron was making amazing throws and Davante was on 311 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 2: another level. Alan Lazarre was playing lights out. Bobby Tonyan 312 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 2: I think had ten touchdowns. I think Aaron threw for 313 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 2: like forty eight touchdowns. I mean, it was really a 314 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 2: special year, especially when we got into the old red 315 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 2: zone we called the gold zone a little bit, but 316 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 2: it was great. And then twenty one was a lot 317 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 2: of the same. It wasn't as dramatic as that twenty twenty, 318 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 2: but Aaron was playing lights out and I think he 319 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 2: just knew what we were trying to accomplish all the time. 320 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 2: I thought Matt did a great job game planning with 321 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 2: all of us and getting the right plan for the guys. 322 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 2: And those were two amazing years. I wish they would 323 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 2: have ended with the trophy. 324 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: Well, maybe get one here is that the all impressive 325 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: stat above the rust that he's posted throughout his career, 326 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: the touchdown interception ratio number one in NFL history. 327 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 2: I mean, it's unbelievable. I mean, I think that year 328 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 2: it was forty eight touchdowns. I think it might have 329 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 2: been five interceptions or something like that. It was in 330 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 2: the single digits. 331 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: And be able to do that though. You think about him, 332 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: and I think about a guy who's not afraid of 333 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 1: making any throw. Of course, and he can make any throw. 334 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 2: No, that's true. And I think the beauty of Aaron 335 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 2: is his ability to see the defense and understanding why 336 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 2: we're attacking, how we're attacking something. And like we said, 337 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 2: we want to be aggressive with efficiency. I think he 338 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 2: is that to a t. He's unbelievably aggressive, but he's 339 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 2: smart in his decisions. He knows when to take a 340 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 2: risk and when not to take a risk. He knows 341 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 2: what he sees, so he knows when he can trust 342 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 2: his feet to progress and move along the progression instead 343 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 2: of potentially forcing something that it might have worked, but 344 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 2: there's just too much risk. So I think that's what 345 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 2: he His assessment of that throughout the game and in 346 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 2: real time is pretty spectacular. 347 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: Have you ever had a week in the National Football 348 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 1: League like the week we just lived through. On Tuesday, 349 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: the trade really became official as far as dott and 350 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 1: I's crossing the tes, Adam Schefter reported on Monday. But 351 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: then you go through a draft where the team adds 352 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: seven players. 353 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 2: No, I mean it's it was. It was a long 354 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 2: week last week. There's been a lot going on and 355 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 2: it's funny. The excitement is definitely in the air, but 356 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 2: there's still so much work to be done. I mean, 357 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 2: just with Aaron getting to know the players, the players 358 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 2: getting to know him, you know, we're far off, but 359 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 2: we're going in the right direction, which is all the matters. 360 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: What do you cents from him walking into the building. 361 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 2: Excitement, He's got a smile on his face. I think 362 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 2: he's enjoying himself. And I think that when you can 363 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 2: have any player come into the building and be excited 364 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 2: to walk in the building, you know they're going to 365 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 2: make strides as a player. I think that's so important. 366 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 2: If they walk into a building and don't want to 367 00:16:56,680 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 2: be in there, or there's any kind of adversity, especially 368 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 2: in the off season, you're just not going to get 369 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:05,719 Speaker 2: as much out of him, out of the players in general. 370 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 2: And so I think for him, he's got a smile 371 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:09,640 Speaker 2: on his face. Like I said, he's I mean, heck, 372 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 2: he's been going to all these New York functions and 373 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 2: enjoying the scene and everything, So I think that's so important, 374 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 2: especially taking it. 375 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: No, he hasn't come on, Oh you're not trying to 376 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: get in. 377 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:22,439 Speaker 2: No, No, he gets to go enjoy all that stuff. 378 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 1: All right. What do you think about the draft pickups? 379 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: You get a center in the second round with the 380 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 1: nice mullet, Joe Tipman from a mullet, Carter Warren, Yeah, 381 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 1: left tackle from Pittsburgh. I wanted to ask you about him. 382 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: Is he in the fifth round? A local kid running back? 383 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: Explosive and then interesting flyer in the seventh round from 384 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 1: old Dominion in six to eight and can run like 385 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: the win. 386 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 2: Yes, No, there's definitely guys we're excited to work with. 387 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 2: For me and my experience, you're always excited about rookies 388 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 2: on the outside because of all those different things that 389 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 2: you say, those those stats and all that. But the 390 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 2: game changes so much in the NFL, So I'm very 391 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 2: excited about to work with them, and we'll see how 392 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 2: fast they can pick it up and adjust to the 393 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 2: speed of the game. 394 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 1: How much is can a guy like Rogers help Tipman 395 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: as he makes this transition. 396 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 2: Uh, Tipman is gonna have a unique experience with Aaron. 397 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:16,119 Speaker 2: Aaron is very particular in a lot of things, just 398 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:20,439 Speaker 2: like everybody on the field in that huddle, we'll see, 399 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 2: he's a guy that knows how he wants it, what 400 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 2: it looks like, and he's going to do everything he 401 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:27,439 Speaker 2: can to get it to that place. 402 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: How much can these other guys with familiarity with your 403 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:32,880 Speaker 1: offense be of help to you, not just what they 404 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: do physically, but when you're talking about a guy like 405 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 1: Alan Wizard or a Billy Turner who's gonna be added 406 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: to the mix, the offensive lineman, you know, Tim Boyle 407 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: in that quarterbacks room. How much can they help you 408 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 1: with your messaging? 409 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 2: I mean it's huge. I mean, one, they know me, 410 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 2: they understand me and how I kind of go about 411 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 2: my business. But I think it's great for me because 412 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 2: there are certain things. There's so many details in one 413 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 2: football play. In one thing, when you get up in 414 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 2: front of the group, you explain it, you teach it. 415 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 2: We try to go through all the intricacies. We're kind 416 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 2: of crunched on time because you want to do so 417 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 2: much and you might skip over things and I mean, 418 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 2: Allan's already got raised his hand and corrected me a 419 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 2: couple of times, which I appreciate so much because it's 420 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 2: about all of us being on the same page. So 421 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 2: when you have more people that have been around the system, 422 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 2: understand the system, they're going to catch those little things 423 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 2: and maybe there's that little tidbit that might be the 424 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 2: difference between a good play or a great play or 425 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 2: a bad play. And I think that's so important to 426 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:34,400 Speaker 2: have guys like that. And Alan's done a great job, 427 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 2: Aaron's done it already, Billy will do it. I mean, 428 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 2: it's so critical to have people like that. 429 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: Lazard said, Nathaniel Hack is the best teacher I've ever had, 430 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 1: whether that's football or elsewhere. Alan Blizzard, he've been around. 431 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:51,959 Speaker 1: I mean not saying that he's old by football terms, 432 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: but I mean this is the guy north of twenty five, 433 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:56,640 Speaker 1: so he's had a lot of teachers over the years. 434 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 1: What do you think, what kind of response I have 435 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 1: that to that? When you hear a guy like Lazar's 436 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:05,360 Speaker 1: speak in that manner about. 437 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:08,439 Speaker 2: You, I love you, Alan, thank you, I appreciate it. 438 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:14,399 Speaker 2: You know, It's it's one of those things I've seen 439 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 2: so many people coach. I've seen been with so many 440 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 2: different teachers myself, and you look back when you were 441 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 2: a kid, whether it be you know, youth or high 442 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 2: school or college or whenever that time was, and you 443 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 2: think about your favorite subject, and the funny thing is 444 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 2: a lot of the time your favorite subject was because 445 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 2: of the that was the best teacher. He was a 446 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 2: teacher that taught with passion, excitement, and it might be 447 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,199 Speaker 2: something that's very trivial, but they made it exciting. And 448 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,439 Speaker 2: I think that for me when I started doing this, 449 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 2: that's what I wanted to do. I remember watching my 450 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 2: dad install and there's this these lines up on the 451 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 2: paper and it was just a basic corner route or 452 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 2: a scene round or just something very very simple. And 453 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 2: you talk to Santana or Lavernius Coles or Wayne or Patten, Hey, 454 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 2: this is you and you're gonna do this, and I mean, 455 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:04,679 Speaker 2: I'm just like wow, Like you could see it come alive. 456 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 2: And back then it was just the overheads, you know, 457 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 2: the clear things there and he's got his markers and 458 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 2: he's drawn all up, and it just I saw things 459 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,439 Speaker 2: come alive. And I look back to, you know, the 460 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 2: teachers that I've had in my past, throughout throughout learning, 461 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 2: and you know, you just realize you got to bring 462 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 2: that passion every day and you can't just install one 463 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 2: play every single day and be monotonous and just say 464 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 2: this is what we're doing. I mean, you got to 465 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 2: bring some juice to it. You got to try to 466 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 2: spice it up. You got to let them see themselves 467 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 2: dominating and doing what they want to do out on 468 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 2: the field. And I think that's something that I like 469 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 2: to bring every day. I like to do for those 470 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 2: guys because I want it to be fun. I want 471 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:42,400 Speaker 2: them to be excited, not know what's going to happen 472 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:44,439 Speaker 2: when we're in the meeting room. So that like we 473 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 2: talked about, so that when they walk in the building, 474 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 2: they're excited, they don't know what's going to happen, because 475 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 2: then they'll get better if they want to learn and 476 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 2: want to grow. 477 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, specifically, how do you keep it fun now? Because 478 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 1: the guys talk about games you have and challenges inside 479 00:21:59,000 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 1: that room. 480 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 2: Oh, we're NonStop. I mean we'll utilize all kinds of things. 481 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 2: You know. I have somebody that we brought here, a 482 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 2: guy named John Viea that was he was actually a 483 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 2: high school teacher for a lot of years, and he 484 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 2: was showing me things that he was using when he 485 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,919 Speaker 2: was teaching ap bio in high school and how he 486 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 2: was making it creative because it's the same thing for 487 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:21,439 Speaker 2: teachers across the board, like they have to do the 488 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 2: same thing. How do we make this information interesting each week? 489 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 2: And you know, seeing the different things that he utilized 490 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 2: opened up my eyes to a whole new world of 491 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 2: making it fun. Having We've got all kinds of different 492 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:39,119 Speaker 2: things like cahoots and and we have different interactive playbooks 493 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 2: and stuff. So they watch it and it's a YouTube tutorial, 494 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 2: I mean, just anything you can spice things up so 495 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 2: they want to look at it, because otherwise people aren't 496 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:48,719 Speaker 2: gonna want to look at it, and they still might not 497 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 2: look at it. I don't know. They they tell me 498 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 2: they do. But you know, just just as many games, 499 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 2: as many things that they can test themselves and enjoy themselves, 500 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 2: and you make it very competitive. 501 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 1: Where did that relationship to help you? And John who 502 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 1: if you go to the Jets website, he is the 503 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 1: team's instructional designer. 504 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 2: Yes, we've known each other for quite a while. We 505 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:12,160 Speaker 2: were together in college at one point. It's funny look. 506 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:12,879 Speaker 1: You see Davis. 507 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 2: You see Davis was so John and I lived together 508 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,679 Speaker 2: along with the Jero Evere who's now the defensive coordinator 509 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:21,879 Speaker 2: at the Carolina Panthers. So it's a pretty good house, 510 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 2: some good football minds there. But so we had known 511 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,159 Speaker 2: each other. John and I majored in neurobiology together, so 512 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,439 Speaker 2: I was working with John for school and then I 513 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 2: would go with e Jerro for football. So those were 514 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:35,439 Speaker 2: kind of my two best friends in the world that 515 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,679 Speaker 2: I was always with and I've always kept in contact. Obviously, 516 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 2: Jeri and I were lucky enough to be with each 517 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 2: other last year, and John came with us, so it 518 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 2: was all three of us, and John was the one 519 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 2: that was able to communicate to us and show us 520 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 2: that crossover of taking the different world of football and 521 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:56,679 Speaker 2: putting it into this gaming slash learning environment that is 522 00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 2: kind of what's going on in today's world. I mean, 523 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 2: people have their phones, iPads, all those things. So you 524 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 2: have to as a coach, you have to adjust, you 525 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 2: have to adapt, and anyway we can have the guys 526 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,919 Speaker 2: learn things faster, understand what they're supposed to do better. 527 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 2: You're going to try to do that and get that advantage. 528 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 1: You're a unique dude for a number of reasons. But 529 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:20,919 Speaker 1: you see Davis neural biology major. Yeah, what were you thinking? 530 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a time I wanted to be a doctor. 531 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:23,919 Speaker 1: Yeah. 532 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 2: I mean I always tell people if I could have 533 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 2: done surgery on the fifty yard line with eighty thousand 534 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 2: people watching it, I probably would have wanted to do that. 535 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 2: But instead now I'm a coach. It's both very hard 536 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:38,919 Speaker 2: but but but no, it was. It was the hardest, 537 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 2: one of the harder majors in Davis. And absolutely loved it. 538 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 1: It was. 539 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:43,640 Speaker 2: It was a great experience. 540 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:48,439 Speaker 1: That's amazing because again, talk to a number of coaches 541 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 1: over the years. I don't think anybody was normal. 542 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,920 Speaker 2: There's a couple that have some good Oh yeah, there's 543 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:53,200 Speaker 2: a couple. 544 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they got interesting background, some engineering guys. Yeah, 545 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:57,879 Speaker 1: but I'm not neural biology. 546 00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:59,719 Speaker 2: Ye know, it was fun. It would have been fun 547 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,120 Speaker 2: to be a Just imagine me walking in doing surgery 548 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:06,120 Speaker 2: on you. You probably go the other way, all right. 549 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:11,160 Speaker 1: The run game. You talked about your red zone successes 550 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: in Green Bay. This is a passing league, but how 551 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:18,400 Speaker 1: much emphasis do you put on the run as far 552 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:19,639 Speaker 1: as attacking defenses? 553 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:21,640 Speaker 2: Quite a bit. I mean you have to be balanced. 554 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 2: It's funny looking back at that year that Aaron threw 555 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 2: all the touchdowns, a lot of those things were on 556 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 2: run alerts. We had a run called and there was 557 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,920 Speaker 2: an advantageous look, so it was able to take the 558 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,160 Speaker 2: easy completion and guys were in space and able to 559 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 2: make big plays. So, you know, I think that you 560 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,159 Speaker 2: have to be balanced in this league. You can't just 561 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 2: do one thing because you never want a defense to 562 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 2: be able to just shut one thing down. And I 563 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,159 Speaker 2: think even when you have a guy like Aaron Rodgers 564 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 2: that you want to go back there and throw the 565 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 2: ball every single play, you have to make them on 566 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:53,920 Speaker 2: of the run because if they honor the run, it's 567 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 2: going to make it better for Aaron. So I think 568 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 2: as long as everything's playing against each other and they 569 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 2: don't know exactly what they're gonna see, I think that's 570 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 2: the most important thing. So there's a place for both. 571 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: You didn't know one hundred percent if Rogers was gonna 572 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: come here when you took this job. It's like I'm 573 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: gonna be Jets offensive coordinator. What did you like about 574 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:17,119 Speaker 1: the personnel when you entered and when you see the 575 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 1: guys as far as wide receivers, the backs, and then 576 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 1: obviously the offensive line. What did you like about this unit? 577 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, there were so many great things. I mean, it's 578 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,399 Speaker 2: a young team, a young group, and they did an 579 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 2: amazing job drafting last year. And I think that every 580 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 2: team you walk into you're always excited about what you've 581 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,440 Speaker 2: seen on tape, but we'll really never know until we're 582 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,400 Speaker 2: out on the field in the meeting rooms and continually 583 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 2: talking and conversing and getting to know each other. So 584 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 2: I think there's definitely a ton of young talent here, 585 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 2: a lot of good football players, and I'm excited to 586 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 2: work with them. 587 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 1: How can Lazard help? And you talked about it before, 588 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 1: but specifically Garrett Wilson who had eleven hundred yards receiving 589 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,080 Speaker 1: last year and the Jets played four different quarterbacks, and 590 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:04,119 Speaker 1: then Nicole Hartman Junior, a multi dimensional threat who comes 591 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 1: on board after playing the last few years with the Chiefs. 592 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 2: All those guys. The good thing about those guys is 593 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,439 Speaker 2: they're all specific in things that they can do, but 594 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 2: they all do a little bit of everything, so it's 595 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 2: not that we have to just pigeonhole one guy into 596 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,680 Speaker 2: one thing. So I think it's going to be really 597 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,399 Speaker 2: fun to be able to move those guys around, have 598 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 2: them line up all over the place so people can't 599 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,400 Speaker 2: track them and motion them and hand them the ball 600 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,640 Speaker 2: or or throw them the ball, or have them throw 601 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know, there's enough time. It's 602 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,640 Speaker 2: going to be so exciting. But no, they're all great, 603 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 2: great men, and I'm enjoying getting to know them. And 604 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 2: as we get to know them better, we'll we'll know 605 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 2: where to put them. 606 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,719 Speaker 1: And what advice do you give to the receivers who 607 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,400 Speaker 1: are playing with Rogers for the first time. 608 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 2: You never know what's going to happen, and everybody's always live. 609 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:50,920 Speaker 2: I think that's something. And whenever you put a play 610 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 2: up there, there's we put a one on the number 611 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,439 Speaker 2: one receiver, a two on the two receiver, three, and 612 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 2: then there's other things across. But in the end, you know, 613 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 2: any but he can get the ball at any time. 614 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 1: How cool is that? As a play caller though, knowing 615 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 1: that you essentially have an extension of yourself out there 616 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:08,160 Speaker 1: on the field. 617 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 2: It's gonna be it's gonna be fun. It's it's just 618 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 2: great to be with him and knowing the man he 619 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,199 Speaker 2: is and how he operates every day. I'm lucky to 620 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 2: be with him and know that we're always going to 621 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 2: have a chance. 622 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 1: What's the off season now, like for you guys, what 623 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 1: we've entered phase two? What do you have to do 624 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:30,440 Speaker 1: here before you guys depart for a couple of weeks 625 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,679 Speaker 1: because you're coming back to camp early this year. You 626 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 1: got the Hall of Fame game. But what do you 627 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 1: got to get done before the end of Beetrim Mini Camp. 628 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you start from ground zero when you 629 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 2: have a new system. So I mean just how we 630 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 2: set the huddle, how we work through the cadences, the 631 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 2: different audibles, the checks, everything to just the basic formations, 632 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 2: the motions, the shifts. I mean, there's so many things 633 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 2: that you have to go over as a first year 634 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 2: a group in staff and our coaches, you know, for 635 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 2: our staff have done a great job because they've had 636 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 2: to learn it too. You know, we've ron I have 637 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 2: been with, but we've got so many other guys that 638 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 2: are kind of trying to pick it up, and they've 639 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 2: done a great job picking it up. And now it's 640 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 2: just getting into that information of the players and finding 641 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 2: out how much they can retain how much they can learn. 642 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 2: We want to try to give it to them numerous 643 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 2: times from now until the season starts, so they don't 644 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 2: hear the first install just one time. They hear it 645 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 2: in Phase one, they get it in the Phase three world, 646 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 2: and they get it in training camp. So you're just 647 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 2: continually teaching the system because you want them to be 648 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 2: able to go out there and play and not have 649 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 2: to think about what they're doing. So it's about their 650 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 2: learning progression here until that first game. 651 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 1: How much can this defense help you guys? You know, 652 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 1: as you look ahead to training camp and stuff like this, 653 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 1: because this is the top five unit across the board 654 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 1: most metrics last year. The one step that they want 655 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 1: to take this year is takeaways. Of course, but when 656 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: you look at the personnel at all three levels, if 657 00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 1: you can have success on the practice field, I got 658 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 1: to imagine you're going to have success on Sundays and beyond. 659 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 2: Oh no doubt, defense wins championships. I mean that's something 660 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,959 Speaker 2: that's been said for a long time. Offense scores points 661 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 2: and gets people all fired up, but you have to 662 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,479 Speaker 2: have in the end, you got to have a good defense. 663 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 2: It's going to be able to stop the opponent, and 664 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 2: you know, to have this kind of a defense on 665 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 2: the other side is very exciting. And the fact that 666 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 2: we get to go against them every single day and 667 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 2: get tested by a defense at the of this caliber, 668 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 2: and I mean they have some very good football players. 669 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 2: Went against them last year while I was at Denver, 670 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 2: and I mean it was a challenge. I didn't sleep 671 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 2: well knowing the different guys that we were going to 672 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 2: have to block, and we gave him run for their money. 673 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 2: Came down to the end there. But I'll tell you, 674 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 2: it's great to have a complimentary defense. 675 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 1: Your enthusiasm is authentic. How pumped are you for the 676 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 1: opportunity ahead? I mean this is old hat for you 677 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 1: being in the National Football League, But as far as 678 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 1: this experience, this chance that you. 679 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 2: Guys have, I mean, it's anytime you have a chance 680 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 2: to be a football coach in the NFL grateful, and 681 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 2: it's you know how hard it is to get one 682 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 2: of these opportunities, and and you're just so thankful. And 683 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 2: to be in New Jersey aka New York City is 684 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 2: just unbelievable. I mean, it's the biggest city, you know, 685 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 2: in the world, and it's everybody looks to it. And 686 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 2: I mean, now we've got to put the work in, 687 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 2: and we got to put the work in to be 688 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 2: able to live up to those standards that we all want. 689 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 2: And then we've all said we have and but there's 690 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 2: a lot of work to be done. 691 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 1: Nathaniel, appreciate your time today, and you got to let 692 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 1: us know when a Pops comes to town. 693 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 2: Will do Yes, he's come by once, Uh, but he'll 694 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 2: be he'll be driving down here pretty soon.