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Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brons, Rob Phillips,
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Speaker 1: here at the start. As the Cowboys get set to
Speaker 1: take on the Detroit Lions. Bill Jones with Mickey Spagnola
Speaker 1: and Rob Phillips, we take your phone calls at eight
Speaker 1: eight eight, five five two two nine seven as we
Speaker 1: turn our attention to the Lions. But Mickey, I don't
Speaker 1: think the Minnesota game goes away very quickly. No, when
Speaker 1: you lose games like that, and there's always you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes I think you're better off getting beat twenty eight
Speaker 1: to seven than twenty eight twenty four. I don't know
Speaker 1: about that, but well, there's less contention. You just got
Speaker 1: your button whipped and that's it, right. But now when
Speaker 1: you lose close games to two pointers and a four pointer,
Speaker 1: you find this play that play and this reason and
Speaker 1: that reason for getting beat and not because you weren't
Speaker 1: good enough. The media likes it when there's contention, absolutely absolutely,
Speaker 1: you think so. I think so Sota's talk radio too, by,
Speaker 1: But you have a point, Mick. I mean, they've lost
Speaker 1: four games this year. They've lost three by a total
Speaker 1: of eight points. And when you do that, it's always
Speaker 1: a player two here, player two there. And in this
Speaker 1: particular case, we're still talking about that last second to
Speaker 1: last drive. We're still talking about Tavon Austin's fair catch.
Speaker 1: And you know, you just hope that when you get
Speaker 1: to the end of the season, those aren't the things
Speaker 1: you look at and say, oh, if we'd done something
Speaker 1: different here, maybe we'd have a different result of our season.
Speaker 1: So like last year when you probably won about three
Speaker 1: or four games by that margin of points, but it
Speaker 1: wasn't talked about because you won. And when they went
Speaker 1: seven and one last year, the last eight games, it
Speaker 1: was like, well, they blew everybody out. But the you know,
Speaker 1: the the honest part of it is they beat Atlanta
Speaker 1: by three points, they had a last late fourth quarter
Speaker 1: drive to beat Philadelphia the first time. They beat Philadelphia
Speaker 1: the second time in overtime. By the way, they had
Speaker 1: a close call with Washington, if I remember correctly. But
Speaker 1: because you won, you beat everybody handedly. When you lose,
Speaker 1: and you lose close, then it becomes an issue. And
Speaker 1: Troy Aakman spoke to that on local radio this week
Speaker 1: as well. And you know, for what it's worth, Troy
Speaker 1: didn't seem too bothered by the play calling at the
Speaker 1: on that drive in question. But when you lose, you all,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's fair game. You can open it up
Speaker 1: and say we should have done this, maybe done this,
Speaker 1: you know, and but you gotta live with it. So yeah,
Speaker 1: on to Detroit. But no one brings up the second
Speaker 1: to the last possession when they threw the ball. Should
Speaker 1: you bring it up? Brought it up? Mickey's banging that
Speaker 1: drum man, Well should should they have run at that possession?
Speaker 1: If it worked. Sure, yeah, right, same thing with the
Speaker 1: last possession and in what I yet, And I got
Speaker 1: a text from a friend this morning at how come
Speaker 1: they didn't challenge the past interference in the end zone?
Speaker 1: And that's another one. Yeah, but I mean theoretically sure
Speaker 1: they could have and they would have lost the time out.
Speaker 1: I think the league has demonstrated that at the very
Speaker 1: high bar to get those overturned. Yeah, it's got to be.
Speaker 1: It's got to be Ram Saints yea. And as of
Speaker 1: last week, the rate of that of a past interference
Speaker 1: challenge being overturned it was ninety one percent against five
Speaker 1: out of fifty three past interference challenges the first nine
Speaker 1: ten weeks of the season. This was again a status
Speaker 1: that was out there last week, only five out of
Speaker 1: fifty three times was it overturned, which is why and
Speaker 1: the going rate and around the league on coach challenges,
Speaker 1: they are usually successful of forty six percent of the time,
Speaker 1: So they might as well just get rid of the
Speaker 1: rule and then there would be no discussion about you
Speaker 1: should have challenged it, because it's it's it's worthless. Basically,
Speaker 1: it didn't even cross my mind to challenge it because
Speaker 1: because of now Now, had the officials been overturning past
Speaker 1: interference challenges, then great, But it's they've they've proven and
Speaker 1: in that stadium they've proven it too. They're not getting
Speaker 1: that call, and you need those timeouts at the end
Speaker 1: of the game, right, And that's and that ends up
Speaker 1: being the determining factor, not if I'm right to challenge this,
Speaker 1: but if they're not going to overturn it, then I
Speaker 1: just blew a time out and I'm behind, and I'm
Speaker 1: going to need all three timeouts. Yep, sou And by
Speaker 1: the way, I was you're talking about close games, and
Speaker 1: so I was going back to the nineties and the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl teams of the nineties, and in hindsight, we
Speaker 1: think of, oh, they just rolled through. I think this
Speaker 1: a lot of times that oh, yeah, what great teams
Speaker 1: those were in ninety two, ninety three, and ninety five.
Speaker 1: They rolled through, and we forget the fact that there
Speaker 1: were a lot of close games during those Super Bowl seasons.
Speaker 1: But it's your ability to win those close games that
Speaker 1: makes you a championship team, right, And you have to
Speaker 1: be good enough to exactly and sometimes you're not. Yeah
Speaker 1: you got And that's the bottom line. To give Minnesota
Speaker 1: credit for what they did, their game plan and their personnel.
Speaker 1: It was better on that day. They get off to
Speaker 1: a better start and they were able to withstand a
Speaker 1: run by Dallas. But I think Jason Garrett had a
Speaker 1: stat earlier in the season. You know, two thirds of
Speaker 1: games or within one score in the fourth quarter. That's
Speaker 1: just the life in this league. You know, you're not
Speaker 1: going to have many games like you had first three
Speaker 1: weeks of the season, where you're just dominating and these
Speaker 1: things eventually even themselves out. You win a lot of
Speaker 1: close games last year. This year, well, you're gonna lose
Speaker 1: a few. You just kind of even which Yeah, which
Speaker 1: is it? Does it even out? Or does it matter
Speaker 1: that you're a good team and you win those games?
Speaker 1: So is this team? Do you think this team is
Speaker 1: not better than last year's team? I thought it was
Speaker 1: coming in, but every year is different. I mean, the
Speaker 1: record says so at this point with Amari Cooper, the
Speaker 1: record says they are better against superior competition. They haven't
Speaker 1: shown it yet. They've been competitive against those teams, but
Speaker 1: they haven't shown it in the final score. But they
Speaker 1: still have opportunities to show it. Just like a lot
Speaker 1: this point last year, we were sitting here going all
Speaker 1: right to top ten draft pick. You know, well this
Speaker 1: time last year they traded away that draft pick. Okay,
Speaker 1: there's your risk, and what happened. They basically almost ran
Speaker 1: the table the last half of the season. I think
Speaker 1: Todd Archer from ESPN had the stat of the final
Speaker 1: seven opponents. It's like a thirty two, twenty and one record.
Speaker 1: You know they're going to be tested down the stretch here,
Speaker 1: they know it. And they're in a four game stretch
Speaker 1: right now against four teams that have going into last weekend,
Speaker 1: we're twenty three, ten and one. The one team that
Speaker 1: did not have a winning record out of those four
Speaker 1: the Detroit Lions, who are now after losing to the
Speaker 1: Bears without Matthew Stafford, three five and one on the season.
Speaker 1: But you want to talk about close games, look at
Speaker 1: what the Detroit Lions have done this season, and you
Speaker 1: talk about games that are within one score of going
Speaker 1: the other in the fourth quarter. Every single one of
Speaker 1: their games has been within one score at some point
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter. Seven Okay, they played nine games.
Speaker 1: Eight of the nine games have been decided by a
Speaker 1: touchdown or less. Yeah. Yeah. Against some pretty good teams too.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, Philly's got a winning record. Kansas
Speaker 1: City with Mahomes, I believe Green Bay lost by a point,
Speaker 1: so yeah, but their defense has not been the same
Speaker 1: did okay against the Bears last week, but it hasn't
Speaker 1: been the same the last month or so. But but
Speaker 1: it is against the Bears, and you want to if
Speaker 1: you want to tune into talking Bears the last month,
Speaker 1: they're talking about Mitchell Trubisky and so it's been a
Speaker 1: struggling Bears offense. Not the same as as the season
Speaker 1: he had last year exactly. But you're you're talking about
Speaker 1: the Lions. Tied Arizona first game of the year. They
Speaker 1: win by three against the Chargers, they win by three.
Speaker 1: Against the Eagles, they lose by four. They played a
Speaker 1: very good game against Kansas City and Patrick Mahomes. They
Speaker 1: lost thirty four thirty and Matt Patricia kind of set
Speaker 1: the tone for a lot of teams the blueprint on
Speaker 1: how you defend Mahomes in that game. Even though Mahomes
Speaker 1: did they did get thirty four points in the game.
Speaker 1: But then at Green Bay they lost by one. Minnesota
Speaker 1: was the one game that they was not settled by
Speaker 1: one touchdown. It was forty two to thirty, and it
Speaker 1: was a five point lead with two minutes left in
Speaker 1: that game. Minnesota at tacked on another touchdown. Giants they
Speaker 1: went by five. Oakland they lose by seven, Bears, they
Speaker 1: lose by seven. You think it's going to be a
Speaker 1: tight fit in Detroit on Sunday afternoon. Yeah, they all are. Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1: You know when you when you spoil everybody, when you
Speaker 1: beat the Eagles thirty seven to ten, it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: this is easy. You know, Well I forgot about that one.
Speaker 1: That was the best game they played all year. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: the most complete game, and you know, and that shows
Speaker 1: you what they can do if they are on point,
Speaker 1: don't make mistakes and don't have turnovers and you know, convert.
Speaker 1: You know, we sit here and keep talking about you know,
Speaker 1: third and six, the first two possessions they didn't convert.
Speaker 1: I think they ended up what sixty percent third down
Speaker 1: conversions in that game. Yeah, again, and so did the Vikings. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so okay, let's go seventy percent or eighty. You know,
Speaker 1: if you're in the forties, you're doing really good on
Speaker 1: third down conversions. So they converted sixty percent, but it
Speaker 1: didn't win. And that's the bottom line. When in the
Speaker 1: four losses, and I wrote about this yesterday, beyond third downs,
Speaker 1: beyond slow starts, offensively, it's been unable to cash in
Speaker 1: in the red zone, which is that was their problem
Speaker 1: last year more than anything, because they were able to
Speaker 1: move the ball with a Mari Cooper, but they didn't
Speaker 1: necessarily cash in even with a Mari down the stretch
Speaker 1: as much as they'd like to. And if you look
Speaker 1: at those four losses, they're they're overall, they're much better
Speaker 1: this year than they were last year, but you know,
Speaker 1: you factor in their percentages up, I don't have them
Speaker 1: with me right now. It's towards the bottom of the league.
Speaker 1: In the four losses, they're one of two or they're
Speaker 1: one of three, including this last game where they had
Speaker 1: you know, didn't cash in twice in the fourth quarter
Speaker 1: and doesn't have that's a difference. And don't have Lenahan
Speaker 1: to blame them anymore, you know. And but for much
Speaker 1: of the first part of the season, when they were
Speaker 1: playing against lesser opposition, the red zone percentage was amongst
Speaker 1: the tops in the league. And I'm looking it up
Speaker 1: right now that has drifted for the Cowboys offense. They're
Speaker 1: now seventeenth in the league in red zone percentage. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and a lot of the problem was inside the ten
Speaker 1: yard line goal to go situations. I mean, that's that's
Speaker 1: that's kind of been them, uh several times in these losses.
Speaker 1: I need a new phone. My phone is charging right now.
Speaker 1: I'll I'll look it up from my column yesterday and
Speaker 1: read it after the first break. How about that. Okay,
Speaker 1: I've got the goal to goal and the red zone
Speaker 1: in these four Yeah, there you go, because that they
Speaker 1: were dead lasting goal to goal last year. And they've
Speaker 1: been better. They've been better, I think tied for thirteenth
Speaker 1: or something like that, but um, they haven't cashed in
Speaker 1: as well in these losses. All Right, we're just getting
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Speaker 1: Jason Garrett at a press conference before or you want
Speaker 1: do you have your numbers there? Um, yeah, just real
Speaker 1: red zone this year overall fifty eight percent, that's seventeenth
Speaker 1: in the league. Goal to goal they're seventy one percent,
Speaker 1: that's tied for thirteenth. In the four losses that they have,
Speaker 1: they're down to forty one percent in the red zone
Speaker 1: and only sixty six percent and goal to goal if
Speaker 1: you if you put that out over an entire season,
Speaker 1: that's twenty seventh and twentieth in the league. That's just
Speaker 1: not that's back kind of where they were last year,
Speaker 1: and that's that's a huge part of why they're you know,
Speaker 1: slow starts is definitely a problem, but you know it's
Speaker 1: throughout the game. They haven't quite cashed in like they
Speaker 1: need to. So so in the wins, I'm looking at
Speaker 1: the goal to ghost situation, they were seven of eight.
Speaker 1: In the losses, they're three of six. That can spell
Speaker 1: the difference between winning and losing a game. And when
Speaker 1: you lose three of them by eight points, right yep.
Speaker 1: And then on inside the twenty when they've won, they've
Speaker 1: been thirteen of nineteen. When they've lost, they've been five
Speaker 1: of twelve, So makes a difference. It does all right
Speaker 1: before we get into ye maybe maybe they don't know
Speaker 1: how to call plays once they cut it get inside there.
Speaker 1: Sometimes they do. It's only when they win they know
Speaker 1: how to call the plays, and when they lose, they
Speaker 1: don't know how to call the place inside. Okay, in
Speaker 1: goal togo situations, Let's go to Austin in Phoenix. You're
Speaker 1: first up. I'm talking Cowboys. Hello Austin, Hey, what's going on? Guys?
Speaker 1: So much is going on. I have to go to
Speaker 1: Austin to get to Phoenix, you know what I'm actually,
Speaker 1: you have to go to Phoenix to get to Austin
Speaker 1: because Austin in Phoenix. Boy, I was coming today because
Speaker 1: I feel like in some ways, you guys are kind
Speaker 1: of misrepresenting why fans are trustrated with this season. And
Speaker 1: I consider myself to be one of the more optimistic
Speaker 1: Cowboys fands that I know. And the thing about this
Speaker 1: season is, you know, there really isn't that big of
Speaker 1: a difference between average teams and really good teams. Like
Speaker 1: when you look every week, you know throughout Vegas Lions,
Speaker 1: you always see Vegas Lions. You know that by points
Speaker 1: by lesson six points, So you know, we keep hearing
Speaker 1: about how we've watched all these games by you know,
Speaker 1: by teams the digits. But the thing is that we've
Speaker 1: caught all these teams at the right time. You know,
Speaker 1: you go through a grind of an NFL season, and
Speaker 1: some of it is about getting lucky, some of it
Speaker 1: is about catching a team at the right time. And like,
Speaker 1: I couldn't imagine what it would have been like if
Speaker 1: we had faced the same without Dak Prescott, or if
Speaker 1: we had faced the Package without Samari Cooper, or if
Speaker 1: we had faced the Vikings without Comari Cooper and DeMarcus Lauren.
Speaker 1: So it's just the fact that we couldn't have taken
Speaker 1: advantage of two of those games, or at least one
Speaker 1: of those games. It just it just makes you realize
Speaker 1: that this is an average or slightly above average for
Speaker 1: that team. And I guess that's what's really hard to
Speaker 1: come come to terms with. Well, how about how about conversely,
Speaker 1: what if you had faced the Packer or the Jets
Speaker 1: with your two starting tackles and your starting wide two
Speaker 1: starting wide receivers. Well, I mean, that's one of the
Speaker 1: worst teams in the league. When you look of teams
Speaker 1: like the San Francisco forty nine ers or if they
Speaker 1: have to most out there for the last three or
Speaker 1: four weeks ago. But you started this, but you started,
Speaker 1: but you started this saying that that there's not much
Speaker 1: difference in the teams in the league. No, but between
Speaker 1: the average teams and the good team there's a big difference.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay, Well, I mean think about it. Like
Speaker 1: you know, there's not much difference in the teams in
Speaker 1: the if you if you don't have your two starting
Speaker 1: wide receivers in your two tackles, it's not an excuse.
Speaker 1: Every team goes through this stuff. But in and it
Speaker 1: was a twenty four, twenty two game, but it happens
Speaker 1: in the league. I mean, just it's to your point.
Speaker 1: I'm agreeing with you, but you got to include the
Speaker 1: Jets in that. I mean, every every team is like that.
Speaker 1: The Dolphins won two straight games. How that happened? That's fine.
Speaker 1: I get what you're saying that. I guess I just
Speaker 1: feel like if you are actually a good team, and
Speaker 1: you're more than a slightly above average team, we are right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but right, but is anybody disputing that? I mean, I
Speaker 1: think i' said a few minutes ago, they haven't shown
Speaker 1: against the better teams that they can win consistently. I mean,
Speaker 1: they've beat a five and four Philly team, but they haven't.
Speaker 1: And I think I think the Jets game is a
Speaker 1: missed opportunity despite the injuries that they had. I think
Speaker 1: you still expect you to win that game, um, but
Speaker 1: but they still That is what's you know, frustrating for fans,
Speaker 1: I'm sure, is that the Philly game at home showed
Speaker 1: the potential of this team, and there just hasn't been
Speaker 1: necessarily the consistency that you want game to game, especially
Speaker 1: We're only going to get games the rest of the season,
Speaker 1: so we you know, we kind of missed our chances
Speaker 1: to gain some round on some of these really good
Speaker 1: but we actually we don't know that we're going to
Speaker 1: have tougher games because look where the Rams are going
Speaker 1: with their season right now, Look where the Bears are
Speaker 1: going with their season right now. As the season began,
Speaker 1: we thought that the Bears and the Rams, you know
Speaker 1: what a tough second half schedule that is. But but
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that they aren't fully capable of beating
Speaker 1: this Cowboys because this Cowboys team is five and four
Speaker 1: right now. Just as you said, Austin, they are an
Speaker 1: average to above average team and the record indicates that
Speaker 1: because they haven't had that consistency to put away opponents.
Speaker 1: And I'm I'm I've never been someone that's been as
Speaker 1: critical as most about Jason Garrett, because I do think
Speaker 1: he's a lot those than most people will get him
Speaker 1: credit for us, But I have finally kind of come
Speaker 1: to the realization this year that you know, he is
Speaker 1: kind of just slightly above average head coach, and he
Speaker 1: will probably get another job, you know this, and probably
Speaker 1: when we let him go after this year, whether that's
Speaker 1: in college or in the pros. But it's just, you
Speaker 1: know it, just it just seems like we have a
Speaker 1: window of talent that we can take advantage of. It
Speaker 1: just it seems like a low squander. And that's all.
Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. Beautiful, all right, I think that
Speaker 1: appreciate it. I think that's a really practical way of
Speaker 1: illustrating how fans feel. And because we get a lot
Speaker 1: more of the angry crowd on Twitter if he didn't
Speaker 1: cuss at me, he's not wrong in a lot of
Speaker 1: what he's say. Yeah, I don't think he's wrong. No, Um,
Speaker 1: But the bottom line right now is the Cowboys are
Speaker 1: five and four, They're tied for first in the East,
Speaker 1: and there's only two teams not leading a division in
Speaker 1: the NFC that have fewer losses than the Cowboys. The
Speaker 1: Vikings have three and Seattle has two. Yeah, but I
Speaker 1: think probably what he would say to that, I'm going
Speaker 1: to speak for him, is that you're five and four
Speaker 1: and you feel like you've missed a couple opportunities, and
Speaker 1: it is approaching a point where it's going to be
Speaker 1: difficult to do to get in unless you win your division.
Speaker 1: You know, these teams so you don't know it, but
Speaker 1: these seems the Vikings aren't going to lose two or
Speaker 1: three more games. I'm saying that, Well, I guess more specifically,
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is those top two seeds a buy
Speaker 1: in a playoff is getting harder to accomplish at this
Speaker 1: point when you've got a couple of teams with eight
Speaker 1: wins and you've got five. Oh you know, well yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's that's to try to make a run in
Speaker 1: the playoffs. Boy, you'd love to have that, you know,
Speaker 1: and well, just got to get in. You do have
Speaker 1: to just get in and every and you're right, Mick,
Speaker 1: everything is in front of them. I mean, what was
Speaker 1: what was their record after nine games last year? Four
Speaker 1: and five? Yeah? Is that right? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah. Well
Speaker 1: I said last segment. They they're better team, I think
Speaker 1: than they were last year. But I don't feel like
Speaker 1: they would say they haven't felt like they've played their
Speaker 1: best football on a consistent basis. Well, no, obviously not.
Speaker 1: But but it goes back to my point. Sometimes you
Speaker 1: win those close games and sometimes you lose those close games.
Speaker 1: They did win a lot of close games last year.
Speaker 1: All right. For those who did not hear Jason Garrett's
Speaker 1: press conference today, what happened during Jason Garrett's press conference today?
Speaker 1: What's your take from it? Go ahead, Mick. Well, it
Speaker 1: sounded like, um, folks think he misrepresented what they told
Speaker 1: Tavon Austin and on that last punt return that he
Speaker 1: immediately called a fair catch. And if I remember correctly, yesterday,
Speaker 1: Jason said they miscommunicated what they were trying to get done.
Speaker 1: In his mind, what they wanted to get done was
Speaker 1: don't catch the punt and run around for a long
Speaker 1: period of time. If you don't have that, we can't
Speaker 1: waste seventeen seconds if you don't have that, call fair catch.
Speaker 1: That was what was in their minds. And evidently the
Speaker 1: chain of communication got to Tavon before he went out
Speaker 1: in the field, call a fair catch. And so that's
Speaker 1: why you saw the ball was barely off the punter's
Speaker 1: foot and he was waving for a fair catch when
Speaker 1: in reality he looked at it and he probably could
Speaker 1: have gained twenty yards. And I thought, that's what Jason
Speaker 1: said even after the game about it, And yesterday I'm
Speaker 1: getting mixed up which press conference it was. I think
Speaker 1: the two press conferences. He basically said it was on
Speaker 1: the coaches needed to communicate better to the player and
Speaker 1: explain it that way that if you have if you
Speaker 1: can go north south and get in a limited amount
Speaker 1: of time, get as much yardage as you can, but
Speaker 1: air on the side of fair catching, right if air
Speaker 1: on the side of caution, right right? You know? And
Speaker 1: Tavon said it. Somebody got ahold of them Monday in
Speaker 1: our limited time in the locker room, and he basically said, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was told to fair catching. So so he did
Speaker 1: what he was supposed to do in his in his mind. Yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: because that's what somebody told him apparently, but it was
Speaker 1: a chain of command from But what should have been
Speaker 1: communicated to him was if you've got twenty yards of
Speaker 1: well estate in front of you, take what they give you, basically,
Speaker 1: right exactly, And so that that's where the communication. And
Speaker 1: I think that it happened now, sir, and I think
Speaker 1: it started on talk radio that they were basically calling
Speaker 1: Jason a liar, that he was throwing Tavon under the bus,
Speaker 1: which I don't think that's what happened. That that was
Speaker 1: not you know, that was not the intention, right, And
Speaker 1: it's just unfortunate because he gets out there quickly for
Speaker 1: the return and like you said, Shannon, command wasn't there.
Speaker 1: And boy, if you go back and you watch it,
Speaker 1: we mentioned it yesterday, he might have wound up at
Speaker 1: the thirty twenty five yard line and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: you can call a play, You can get to something
Speaker 1: that is beyond a hail Mary, you know, maybe twice.
Speaker 1: So although Jason did make a good point, but I
Speaker 1: don't know if guys actually see that when they're running
Speaker 1: up field to cover a punt, that the guy are
Speaker 1: what he called a called a fair catch. So there's
Speaker 1: no sense me running hard, Yeah, because I'm thinking they
Speaker 1: tell you to run hard because he might drop the ball. Right. Well,
Speaker 1: one of the things on it, when you've got your
Speaker 1: gunners in tight and they're protecting against a block, I mean,
Speaker 1: that should be an indicator that there's not going to
Speaker 1: be anybody that's close to tell you when I'm catching
Speaker 1: this punt, you know. And so whoever was the last
Speaker 1: person to relay, you know, call a fair catch when
Speaker 1: they saw no gunners, they should have been yelling at him.
Speaker 1: I'm surprised they punted to him. Well, I him too.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure the punters trying to get it
Speaker 1: out of there as quickly as he can. But punt it,
Speaker 1: you know, just like a kick off, a coffin corner kick,
Speaker 1: you know, punt it to the sideline, straight out of bounds. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well do you want to get some depth on it?
Speaker 1: But well it's still straight out of bounds, but you yeah, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: at least get it inside the numbers or outside the numbers.
Speaker 1: I guess what I mean. And I think Tavon was
Speaker 1: he was lined up near the Cowboys sideline and that's
Speaker 1: where he caught it, and so punt it away from him.
Speaker 1: You know yep, So all right, we're gonna take more
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Speaker 1: You're next up on Talking Cowboys. James, Hey, guys, good,
Speaker 1: good morning to you guys. How you guys are going good?
Speaker 1: All right? Good to hear? Um. I think I need
Speaker 1: to see you guys a check because you guys all
Speaker 1: have my therapy session because I thought lost like that.
Speaker 1: It's kind of hard to get over. So you need
Speaker 1: like guys to talk around and trying to get over this.
Speaker 1: But one cowboy way by the way. But I gotta
Speaker 1: I gotta ask you guys to these hold the coaching
Speaker 1: staff their feet to the fire because you guys have
Speaker 1: access to them. I mean, I don't understand it. How
Speaker 1: um the defensive back coach, I guess it's Christa Shard
Speaker 1: Kyle he doesn't teach his guys to look back for
Speaker 1: the football to make a play on the ball. They
Speaker 1: never do. Like, I don't get it, Like, what are
Speaker 1: they teaching them how to cover? It makes absolutely no sense.
Speaker 1: I've never seen a linebacker over run to play as
Speaker 1: much as Chilan does. It's it's beyond me for him
Speaker 1: to be a captain and to be as supposed to
Speaker 1: be a great linebacker. I don't I don't see that. Um,
Speaker 1: So I'll just hang up and listen to you guys
Speaker 1: take on that. Okay, thanks James. You know, these back
Speaker 1: shoulders started becoming very prevalent how long ago, within the
Speaker 1: last ten years, maybe even less than that with Deaz Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I mean around the league, the back shoulder fades
Speaker 1: became prevalent, okay, And I think secondary coaches had to
Speaker 1: change their way of teaching how to defend. And because
Speaker 1: if you turn on a back shoulder fade, if you
Speaker 1: turn back towards a quarterback, you're you got no chance.
Speaker 1: That's what an old secondary coach told me, and the
Speaker 1: old secondary coach and specifically texted me when the Cowboys
Speaker 1: gave up the back shoulder fade to Aaron Rodgers, and
Speaker 1: that Packers game at the recently. Yeah, yeah, that's the
Speaker 1: coaching point, right, Yeah, so don't call Campo. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: love camps. The reason the reason I don't. I didn't
Speaker 1: mention him by name is because there's some people because
Speaker 1: he was five and eleven three straight years as the
Speaker 1: head coach say said, well that's Campo, but he's a
Speaker 1: damn good exactly, that's exactly right. He's got some rings
Speaker 1: and he texted me and said they got to teach
Speaker 1: him how to defend that soon does He turned and
Speaker 1: looked back. He was beat. And you recall on that
Speaker 1: one they twice they threw to that corner and first
Speaker 1: it was wasn't a back shoulder, it was a fade
Speaker 1: in front of the receiver, and Jordan Lewis looked back
Speaker 1: at the quarterback. Okay Rogers, as Campo said, so does
Speaker 1: Rogers saw that he knew how that what technique he
Speaker 1: was going to use, and he hit that back shoulder
Speaker 1: fade and Jordan turned around. So there's I think what
Speaker 1: has happened in the league where it's being coached that way,
Speaker 1: and you know, we need to We probably ought to
Speaker 1: have Campo on and have him explain it because I
Speaker 1: can't do it justice. But that's that's one of the
Speaker 1: reasons why it's being defended that way. Well, what are
Speaker 1: the things they're doing, and they're obviously teaching it is
Speaker 1: to keep your eye on the receiver's hands. His hands
Speaker 1: go up, years go up, and then you'll see the ball.
Speaker 1: And that's kind of what they're doing. Now, you're exactly right.
Speaker 1: As far as his other question, I think was about
Speaker 1: overrunning plays. We talked about that a little bit yesterday.
Speaker 1: How on those screens in particular, you know, you're trying
Speaker 1: to get up the field and you can get caught out,
Speaker 1: caught out of place there, and they've got to be
Speaker 1: mindful of that. You know, teams will probably continue to
Speaker 1: try to do that. And if it is Jeff Driscoll
Speaker 1: this week at quarterback for the Lions, that's a guy
Speaker 1: that's a mobile quarterback. He's a leading rusher the other
Speaker 1: day and you're just watching the game back against the Bears.
Speaker 1: He brings a little bit of a different element than
Speaker 1: Matt Stafford does. I think obviously they'd like Stafford in there,
Speaker 1: but that's his scrambling ability is something they've got to
Speaker 1: be mindful of. In this game as well. Things break
Speaker 1: down says a lot about the Lions running game too,
Speaker 1: and the quarterback. Yeah, and they lost Carrie on Johnson Johnson.
Speaker 1: They yeah, they've got tried to commit more of themselves
Speaker 1: to the run, but they don't have enough there. They've
Speaker 1: tried Ty john in their rookie Ums has looked good
Speaker 1: in spurts. He got hurt in the game with a concussion.
Speaker 1: So J D. McKissick got fifty eight snaps. They converted
Speaker 1: running back. Yeah, yeah, and yeah, they haven't gone out
Speaker 1: and tried to acquire anybody to to help fix that problem.
Speaker 1: And there's nobody out there right now. Yeah, Paul Perkins,
Speaker 1: there's a guy they picked up off the street. So
Speaker 1: so Driscoll ran for thirty seven yards the case they
Speaker 1: had thirty six yep. And you know, I just watching
Speaker 1: that game back, Mick. He showed some good poise in
Speaker 1: that game. And I didn't realize that he's had about
Speaker 1: six or seven starts in the league. Driscoll has had
Speaker 1: a nice first drive. They just didn't convert a touchdown
Speaker 1: down down deep wound up with a field goal. Um.
Speaker 1: By the way, he was a guy they coached here
Speaker 1: Cowboys coach at the Senior Bowl. He was on the
Speaker 1: North squad. I forgot about that. Um so you know,
Speaker 1: was he the kid from lattecht from Florida? Right, yeah,
Speaker 1: Blaton Well and lon Tech by the way. All right,
Speaker 1: let's go to Ray in New Orleans next up. I'm
Speaker 1: talking Cowboys. Hello, Ray, Hey, how you guys doing great? Ray?
Speaker 1: I think what gets I think what gets lost in
Speaker 1: this thing? Does anybody realize that we lost to a
Speaker 1: good football team by like one player or two plays?
Speaker 1: You know? And in saying that, Nagantes start winning on
Speaker 1: Sunday and so they're five and four. But I know
Speaker 1: our our defense gave up some some big time runs
Speaker 1: on the one drive on the I guess on the
Speaker 1: winning drive for the Vikings, Kirk Cousins had to complete
Speaker 1: one third down. The rest of them are like four
Speaker 1: consecutive first downs of ten plus yards. That's that's the concern.
Speaker 1: But if we find a way to pass the ball
Speaker 1: into the end zone and win the game. The Vikings
Speaker 1: are screaming about their defense. They couldn't stop back because
Speaker 1: at that point it would have been four cartoons and
Speaker 1: probably over four hundred yards. So all of these games
Speaker 1: are so close man, I don't. I think fans just
Speaker 1: start tripping out and on one of them, yea, my
Speaker 1: head was in my check on the fourth down call, Mickey,
Speaker 1: That's the only one I have a problem with. And
Speaker 1: I'm going to ask you this question here in a minute,
Speaker 1: but or here a couple of seconds. But the only
Speaker 1: problem I have a problem with, the only call I
Speaker 1: guess is the fourth down call and maybe the fifty
Speaker 1: seven yard field goals. In the beginning of the game,
Speaker 1: Where did you want What did you want him to
Speaker 1: do on fourth down? Run the ball? Maybe not? Maybe
Speaker 1: not go And I don't have the luxury of watching
Speaker 1: the All twenty two, so I'm just a fan watching
Speaker 1: them TV. I just didn't want them to go to Zeke.
Speaker 1: Maybe on that out well maybe, Yeah, they doubled Amari.
Speaker 1: Amari got doubled on that play, and they did have
Speaker 1: Cobb inside, you know, but he Dak looked at him, Mark,
Speaker 1: I think we broke it down yesterday, right, Look, he
Speaker 1: glanced at Amari and then he went left and went
Speaker 1: to Zeke. Try It's not like, yeah, it's not like
Speaker 1: they said, Okay, we're throwing this ball to Zeke. No
Speaker 1: matter what that was Dak's decision. They called a pass
Speaker 1: play and he's got to read his coverages. And when
Speaker 1: he read the coverage, it was like, okay, I don't
Speaker 1: have amri here, I'm going left. All right. He should
Speaker 1: have hung he should along, He should have hung in
Speaker 1: a little longer, and Cobb eventually broke open. But there
Speaker 1: was another factor there. But he never looked back to
Speaker 1: the right. He was getting pressure from the left. He
Speaker 1: got the ball off just in time because he was
Speaker 1: getting ready to get hit. Yeah, and you know what,
Speaker 1: so don't say you don't think because of what they do.
Speaker 1: That was the play. They don't get in the huddle
Speaker 1: and say, okay, Zeke, go out, I'm thrown to you.
Speaker 1: That's not that's not all right. That's just like when
Speaker 1: you played a deep pass. It's not like, Okay, go deep,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw it until you you get past the foot.
Speaker 1: Was the lead options play where I'm with you, I
Speaker 1: don't I think ninety nine that decides to keep it.
Speaker 1: So some of that is great Minnesota deep. And what
Speaker 1: was my point to begin with? We played a good
Speaker 1: football team and they kind of shout an maybe we
Speaker 1: make a difference play. Like I said, when the Windy's
Speaker 1: close to and that's another thing. But this team was
Speaker 1: almost the same as last year. Rob says, they're a
Speaker 1: little better. I don't. I won't disagree with that. We're
Speaker 1: losing some of the close teams. And because when we
Speaker 1: got to when I went to the college seams in playoffs,
Speaker 1: I'm like, what the hell did we just watch with
Speaker 1: two hundred and seventy nine yards? Well, we kind of
Speaker 1: see a little bit of that against the Colts, So
Speaker 1: it just depends on what teams. And then we shut
Speaker 1: down the Giants running back. So I think it's just
Speaker 1: about styles and matchups. But in saying that, we gotta
Speaker 1: started this week with winning because if we're just close enough,
Speaker 1: we won't make it to the tournament. We won't make
Speaker 1: it to the playoffs. So I think we're okay. I
Speaker 1: see we're a good football team making with the potential
Speaker 1: to be a great football team on against different teams,
Speaker 1: against different matches, matchups. If you make one or two
Speaker 1: more plays, we're not having this conversation in Minnesota's wondering
Speaker 1: how the heck did our past defense get like this?
Speaker 1: Because we did. We scored a lot of points on them,
Speaker 1: and we gave up. They gave up a lot of
Speaker 1: passing yards. I should say, Okay, appreciate. I think that's
Speaker 1: well said. I think you could say that about eight
Speaker 1: or nine teams in this conference. Though. There's good teams
Speaker 1: that have potential to be great and win a lot
Speaker 1: of games depending on matchups, depending on execution. It comes
Speaker 1: down to, you know, how consistent you can be down
Speaker 1: to down. He mentioned about the fifty seven yard field
Speaker 1: goal attempt to start the game. What do y'all think
Speaker 1: about that? I think, yeah, I mean I looked it
Speaker 1: up and I think he's four of eight this year
Speaker 1: fifty plus. It's not guaranteed, and it was a momentum shift,
Speaker 1: but I mean that's Jason Garrett with He's got the
Speaker 1: pulse of his team and he thought that that would
Speaker 1: be well within range for Bret Moher to make and
Speaker 1: he's done it before. He didn't make it there, and
Speaker 1: it did put the defense in a bind early, you know,
Speaker 1: for that first touchdown. I was a little surprised they
Speaker 1: tried it, but it was like then, I thought, well,
Speaker 1: he's made All those sixty yarders were indoors and roof's open,
Speaker 1: but yeah, it's the door shut It wasn't a there
Speaker 1: wasn't a win factor there. But you know, it wasn't
Speaker 1: so much that he can't make it. He just did.
Speaker 1: He didn't hit it, well, yeah, he ain't it. If
Speaker 1: you would have hit fifty seven down the middle when
Speaker 1: he came up short, it's like, okay, fine, right, but
Speaker 1: he yanked it. He's better than that. Any thought it
Speaker 1: was fourth and six, there's no I didn't thought now,
Speaker 1: no thought of going for it on fourth and six
Speaker 1: at the thirty nine. No, that's why you have him.
Speaker 1: That's one reason why you have him is because of
Speaker 1: his ability for those deep kicks. What's this percentage? No,
Speaker 1: um should not ask I had? Yeah, he's he's fourteen
Speaker 1: of twenty. That's it, fourteen of twenty. And how about
Speaker 1: beyond fifty from you know, he's only get this. He's
Speaker 1: only tried one forty to forty nine yard field goal. Okay,
Speaker 1: eight four of eight beyond fifty, that's what you have
Speaker 1: already indicated that. Okay, we will continue talking Cowboys tomorrow.
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