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Speaker 1: Hey there, folks.

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Speaker 2: It is Wednesday, February eleventh, and after a day of

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Speaker 2: the biggest development so far in the Nancy Guthrie disappearance,

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Speaker 2: we got another major development yesterday word of a person

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Speaker 2: of interest being taken into custody. But already this morning

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Speaker 2: we're getting word that person has been released. And with that,

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Speaker 2: welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ Rohades. When

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Speaker 2: we saw the surveillance video they released yesterday, man in

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Speaker 2: a mask on the front porch, I said, there's no

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Speaker 2: doubt bout the time we get up in the morning,

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised if there was a development.

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Speaker 1: This wasn't it that I was thinking, No.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't.

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Speaker 4: Well, as we were going to bed, we were getting

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Speaker 4: word this was late last night, that someone had been detained.

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Speaker 4: We thought, you know what, by the time we get

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Speaker 4: up in a couple of hours, we may have a

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Speaker 4: person of interest in custody.

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Speaker 3: That was not what ended up happening. And oh it

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Speaker 3: happened for a little while.

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Speaker 4: It did for a little while, and guess what that

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Speaker 4: person of interest is talking. So this has been a

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Speaker 4: fascinating development where we actually got to hear from the

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Speaker 4: guy the police detained.

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Speaker 2: Talking a lot, and it's so interesting to hear what

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Speaker 2: he had to say because he seemed quite frankly clueless,

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Speaker 2: and to be honest with you, he said these words,

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Speaker 2: I don't know who Nancy Guthrie is. Not just I

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Speaker 2: don't know her personally. He was saying, I don't know

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Speaker 2: Savannah Guthrie. I don't know Nancy Guthrie. He used these words,

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Speaker 2: I don't follow the news. And you saw his videos.

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Speaker 2: The guy seemed kind of believable in that I don't

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Speaker 2: know how I got involved in all this.

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Speaker 4: He seemed very believable and a guest and actually fairly

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Speaker 4: calm given what had just happened to him.

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Speaker 3: He had been detained.

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Speaker 4: He said, no one even talked to him, they didn't

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Speaker 4: ask him any questions. His house got raided, his family,

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Speaker 4: he had a wife.

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Speaker 3: His mother.

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Speaker 4: I mean, this was an incredibly I'm sure frightening, disruptive,

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Speaker 4: overwhelming feeling this And this is a town, what right

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Speaker 4: have this all happen without any explanation, he seemed like

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I was surprised he was taught, but he

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Speaker 2: was being hounded on his porch. Everybody, this was the

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Speaker 2: house that they were searching, and folks were aware of

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Speaker 2: the search. So if we go back in the day

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Speaker 2: a little bit, yes, and we'll talk about everybody's probably

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Speaker 2: aware by now that they released surveillance videos of the

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Speaker 2: front porch. They recovered this video and images of someone

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Speaker 2: in a ski mask on that front porch.

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Speaker 1: They released these.

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Speaker 2: Yesterday robes and that's when everybody thought, Okay, the clues

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Speaker 2: calling nine one one, call a tip line because you're

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Speaker 1: We're getting so much.

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Speaker 2: So robes on the heels of that to hear they

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Speaker 2: this is it. Hours after that video they got somebody

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Speaker 2: you because we were ramping up yesterday and all signs

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Speaker 4: Yes, finally some answers for the Guthrie family. Finally we

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Speaker 4: can figure out what happened to Nancy Guthrie and more important,

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Speaker 4: where she is because that is still up in the air.

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Speaker 3: We got these statement around.

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Speaker 4: Eight nine o'clock last night in the evening where the

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Speaker 4: Pima County Sheriff's Department said this. Earlier today, Pima County

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Speaker 4: Sheriff's Department deputies detained a subject during a traffic stop

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Speaker 4: south of Tucson. The subject is currently being questioned in

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Speaker 4: connection to the Nancy Guthrie investigation. Additional information will be

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Speaker 4: released as it becomes available. That is a moment where

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Speaker 4: you just think, Aha, finally they have someone and they'll

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Speaker 4: get some answers.

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Speaker 2: And that statement was official, but even hours before they

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Speaker 2: put out an official statement, word had gotten out. Everybody

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Speaker 2: was reporting that somebody was in being detained. Now ropes

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Speaker 2: before we get to Carlos is his name? I want

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Speaker 2: to include this door Dash statement. Now we're again we

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Speaker 2: word started getting around that this was possible, possibly some

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Speaker 2: That's right out of statement yesterday.

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Speaker 3: And here's what they said.

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Speaker 4: We are urgently investigating reports that an individual detained in

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Speaker 4: relation to the Nancy Guthrie case was a delivery driver.

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Speaker 4: We have reached out to law enforcement and are ready

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Speaker 4: to support their critical investigation in any way we can.

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Speaker 4: Like tens of millions around the world, our hearts are

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Speaker 4: with the Guthrie family during this heart wrenching time. That's

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Speaker 4: pretty telling the fact that DoorDash felt like they needed

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Speaker 4: to distance themselves from any potential connection to this case.

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Speaker 4: As rumors were circulating that this man potentially was a

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Speaker 4: door dash driver.

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Speaker 2: That man has it said himself, Yes, I am a

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Speaker 2: door dash driver. No, I am not a kidnapper. Now

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Speaker 2: he didn't give his last name, and I haven't seen

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Speaker 2: it float out there, but he only said his name, Carlos.

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Speaker 2: But the first indication we started getting with several hours

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Speaker 2: ago before this recording actually is still pretty early morning

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Speaker 2: on this porch. Obviously it's not some big sit down interview.

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Speaker 2: You could tell he just got caught on his porch

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Speaker 2: with lights in his face. And one of the things

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Speaker 2: he did say to reporters robes when he was asked,

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Speaker 2: were you shocked to be detained?

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Speaker 1: Fuck? Yeah, I was. That was just to your point.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he seemed completely caught flat footed by all this stuff.

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Speaker 2: What am I doing here? So going through some of

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Speaker 2: the things he said robes, he said he didn't even

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Speaker 3: And that's that's frightening.

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Speaker 4: They just had him in a room, didn't read him

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Speaker 4: his rights, didn't tell him why he was being detained,

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Speaker 4: didn't ask him any questions. He said that he felt

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Speaker 3: And he was concerned.

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Speaker 1: He made the choice.

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Speaker 3: I mean, thinking about it, said, He's on this border town.

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Speaker 4: This is a town known for abandons, and so maybe

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Speaker 4: I'm just gonna pull over and make sure everything's okay.

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Speaker 4: So that was an interesting part of the story. Has

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Speaker 4: how it all unfolded.

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Speaker 2: So they take him back to the house. He says

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Speaker 2: he was handcuffed to the point he was displaying this

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Speaker 2: from being in those handcuffs, those restraints, he said. But

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Speaker 2: at this point he was talking to them, Carr had

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Speaker 2: been giving back to him. House had been turned back over.

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Speaker 2: In fact, he was doing the interview up there so

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Speaker 2: long and they were asking me about the house, and

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Speaker 2: he kind of opened the door and looked in and said, yeah,

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Speaker 2: they broke some stuff, and now da da. Someone in

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Speaker 2: the house finally told him to cut this off. Yes,

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Speaker 2: he said, okay, I gotta go. I don't know who

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Speaker 2: and somebody finally said that's enough. But Rose, he had

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Speaker 2: several interesting things to say, in several interesting quotes.

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Speaker 4: I thought, yes, he said, of course, you mentioned that

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Speaker 4: he did not know who Nancy Guthrie was, doesn't watch

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Speaker 4: the Today Show, doesn't know who Savannah Guthrie is?

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Speaker 2: Today question news. You remember his answer the way he

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Speaker 2: said no. They asked, do you know who Nancy Guthrie is?

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Speaker 2: He almost had a smart and sarcastically no, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know who she is.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, He's like they told me this lady, I

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Speaker 4: said Nancy Guthrie said, yeah.

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Speaker 3: That's her.

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Speaker 2: That was a bizarre exchange. It's hard to believe that

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Speaker 2: this story going on and he lives miles from her

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Speaker 2: home and he wasn't even aware of the story. That's

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Speaker 2: hard to believe. But in watching him, he seemed like, oh, it.

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Speaker 4: Seemed very legit, and he seemed very authentic and real

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Speaker 4: when he said all of that, And he also said this,

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Speaker 4: I hope they get the suspect because I'm not it.

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Speaker 4: They better do their job and find the suspect that

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Speaker 4: I mean, he he's like, I'm done, but he, you know,

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Speaker 3: But it makes a lot of sense given.

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Speaker 2: The seriousness of everything and the dire circumstances. Was a

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Speaker 2: He was an odd, authentic relief to some degree of

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Speaker 2: just how I guess, I mean explaination how so many

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Speaker 2: nothing to do with it. To a certain degree, it

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Speaker 2: was so interesting to see him. But Robes, this was hard,

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Speaker 2: this was heavy, This was hopeful. It is what yesterday

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Speaker 2: was and to have it all happen like this roabes.

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Speaker 2: We have to it happened before the Kirk shooting, right

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Speaker 2: the Charlie Kirk shooting, where we couldn't believe I haven't

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Speaker 2: found somebody yet. And then oh they got the guy.

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Speaker 2: Oh they don't got the guy. Didn't it happen with

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Speaker 2: the Columbia shooting. Had somebody at the hotel? I guess

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Speaker 2: this happens in investigations and things being watched this closely.

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Speaker 2: If it was the case not watched this closely, we

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Speaker 2: might have never heard that this guy was ever detained.

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Speaker 4: That's true, and it does seem like and we did

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Speaker 4: get reports that police were going through there's not a

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Speaker 4: lot of surveillance video in this town.

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Speaker 3: In this area.

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Speaker 4: It is rural, it is It's not some town where

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Speaker 4: you have surveillance cameras at every stoplight. So we know

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Speaker 4: that they had gone to a nearby circle k and

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Speaker 4: we're looking for vehicles of interest. They were trying to

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Speaker 4: find anyone who was driving in the area. That makes

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Speaker 4: perfect sense. So it also makes sense that they found

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Speaker 4: this DoorDash driver who probably was driving around the time

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Speaker 4: have fit the timeline for her abduction. So it might

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Speaker 4: have just been he was in the wrong place at

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Speaker 4: the wrong time and they had to clear him. They

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Speaker 4: had to they had to vet him, they had to

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Speaker 4: talk to him, they had to search his home, they

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Speaker 4: had to search his vehicle, and they had to clear him.

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Speaker 3: And that's that's what little information they have right now.

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Speaker 2: And some might want to go, well, what are they doing?

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Speaker 2: Investigative work, and this is how it goes. It's just

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Speaker 2: with something so high profile, it's difficult. And Hella was

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Speaker 2: again I said, yesterday was a hopeful day. Look those

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Speaker 2: it was the biggest break in the case yesterday to

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Speaker 2: see those images from that door camp.

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Speaker 4: And look, one would hope that this is just the

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Speaker 4: beginning now that we do have and it hasn't even

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Speaker 4: been a full twenty four hours since that surveillance video

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Speaker 4: has been released. And what we and so many people

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Speaker 4: have been talking about is someone knows and Savannah even

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Speaker 4: said this herself, someone knows or recognizes the eyes, the clothing,

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Speaker 2: All right, well, folks, stay with us in the midst

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Speaker 1: Stay here, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, we continue here on this Wednesday update on the

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Speaker 2: Nancy Guthrie case. A fast moving day of what was

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Speaker 2: But the other big break is that a person of

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Speaker 4: Yes, they do not, but I do think that as

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Speaker 3: That box that I'm sure it doesn't feel.

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Speaker 3: I guess the woman who was inside the home.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if it was his mother or his wife,

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Speaker 2: Earlier it was a woman that they spoke to at

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Speaker 2: but Rose. You remember, I think it was the first

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Speaker 2: And I guess they just when you get hungry robes,

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Speaker 4: Do you know what I think also happens. Look, these

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Speaker 3: But yes, here is what.

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Speaker 1: You're add to what you're saying. You're exhausted as well.

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Speaker 2: You're absolutely exhausted being out there, but you're also roped,

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Speaker 2: sometimes desensitized, and when you're watching a story, it's a

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Speaker 2: It's just my job. I'm just covering a story, and

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a reminder that that's not an excuse. You

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Speaker 3: That all is important.

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Speaker 4: But here's what the Sheriff's Department had to put out

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Speaker 4: to members of the media, and they started, we can't

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Speaker 4: believe we have to say this, but media on scene,

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Speaker 4: please do not order food delivery to a crime scene address.

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Speaker 4: This interferes with an active investigation. Please also respect private

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Speaker 4: property laws.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: That's tough.

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Speaker 2: Somebody else who knows, maybe a PA, a lower producer,

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Speaker 2: somebody just made a mistake, wasn't thinking, but that was

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Speaker 2: a pretty big mistake. I kind of imagine ordering a freakin'

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Speaker 2: Domino's pizza, what's your address? And I give them a

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Speaker 4: And you know what it's again, it shouldn't matter more,

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Speaker 2: I don't want to go too It's hard to imagine

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Speaker 2: being on the phone or on a Domino's app and

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Speaker 2: you give them see Guthries address to get your fucking

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Speaker 2: Petzer Pepperoni pizza delivered.

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Speaker 1: That's a weird one.

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Speaker 2: I know, it's a terrible taste. It's in the middle

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Speaker 2: tell them? And you do, man, that's a it's tough

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Speaker 2: to form your mouth or your fingers to type in

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Speaker 2: Nancy Guthrie's address because you want a pizza. That's a

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Speaker 2: tough one. But I don't want to go too far

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Speaker 4: With me, yes, and hopefully it will not be made again,

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Speaker 4: because that is that's a that's a pretty I don't

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Speaker 4: of us because we already get no we do, though,

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Speaker 4: and I understand why we get a bad reputation because

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Speaker 3: Look, I've you've ald New Town some of these towns.

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Speaker 4: I remember being in and covering an ongoing story that

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Speaker 4: grieving and suffering, and you're you're just aware of the

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Speaker 4: because it hurts all of us.

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Speaker 3: It makes all of us look bad.

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