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Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast builds through the Draft. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.

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Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansis. I'm in a room that

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Speaker 1: is just filled with heroes, two of them wearing the

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Speaker 1: exact same shirt mark Sessler, Chris Westling and Greg Roseythal.

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Speaker 1: What's up? Boys? Hey? In To be clear, Dan, these

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Speaker 1: are sweatshirts, not shirts, Just to give you a little

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Speaker 1: bit of a brief garments rundown. They are adorable and

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Speaker 1: the Patriots ridiculous draft. Yes, this is a lot of

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Speaker 1: a lot of bubbling heat. Already in the newsroom downstairs,

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Speaker 1: Chris Westling has to Howitzer's attached. It's the only gun

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Speaker 1: I know because of this draft cycling only I only

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Speaker 1: know Howitzer um uh not happy or not impressed by

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Speaker 1: what the Patriots did in the draft. Greg already on

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Speaker 1: his heels. How am I going to combat West? Here?

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Speaker 1: This is gonna be one of the great scientists podcast

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Speaker 1: of all time? I could already feel it. Your your

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Speaker 1: quarterback is forty years old. How about a monicum of

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Speaker 1: a sense of urgency? I've never I've never. I love

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Speaker 1: it because West has never sounded more like Sully from

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Speaker 1: Dorchester calling up the EI. What the heck you're throwing

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Speaker 1: You're traded for future picks? What's going on? Well, Greg,

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Speaker 1: here's one thing through through a lot of us. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I've got very limited rade through a lot of ups

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Speaker 1: and downs with the Patriots, you know, the Tom Ladies

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Speaker 1: suspensions of greg Or West has been your constant traveling

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Speaker 1: companion and right, and I've been down that and likes

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Victories a year host Jimmy Garoppolo trade. Wes is

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Speaker 1: out on New England. He is. It's a combination of

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Speaker 1: things with the Garoppolo trade. But but the backbreaker was

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Speaker 1: Malcolm Butler and the Super Bowl in that just ridiculous

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Speaker 1: notion of benching one of your best players because you

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Speaker 1: know it's only the most important game of the year

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Speaker 1: and what you play your entire season for. And you're like, no, no,

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Speaker 1: we we can't use one of ours defenders today, Bill Belichick,

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Speaker 1: you should know Chris Westling turns his back on you.

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Speaker 1: Ask Mike Brown done, it's over. There's no going back. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I think he's going to sleep at night four and twelve.

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Speaker 1: He's like, wait, draft analysis negative from West the draft expert.

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Speaker 1: He put in that much homework into the draft compar

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Speaker 1: to me, and he knows better than Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: that's just slightly disrespectful towards West. So if you are

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Speaker 1: yes listening, if you're still listening, that is the big

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Speaker 1: heat bubbling underneath this show, which is the final recap

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Speaker 1: of the two thousand eighteen NFL Draft rounds one through seven.

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Speaker 1: How much do we respect Round seven where we're recording

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Speaker 1: this podcast as pick seven from the Dolphins comes in,

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Speaker 1: I mean, listen, Let how about this. Hit me up

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Speaker 1: on Twitter, let me know who Mr Irrelevant is this year.

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Speaker 1: I'm fine. You're out on Mr Irrelevant more than ever before.

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Speaker 1: You feel that the vehicle no longer is is relevant,

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Speaker 1: I think it's time for the whole Mr. Irrelevant stick

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Speaker 1: to be put to bed. By definition, it doesn't matter. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think when the real Mr Irrelevant you know who

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Speaker 1: I who I love? When when he passed away, they

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Speaker 1: should have gotten rid of the tradition, you know with him.

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Speaker 1: I think he still Okay, now he doesn't matter, lindsay,

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Speaker 1: can you look that up? Can you see Mr Rol

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Speaker 1: He's alive? That was the joke. But yeah, that is

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Speaker 1: I don't know, all right. So what's today's show about. Yes,

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Speaker 1: if you are um not caught up, go and listen

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Speaker 1: to our Thursday night show where we recapped all the

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Speaker 1: first round picks, a lot of sex appeal in the

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Speaker 1: first round with five quarterbacks going and all that fun

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Speaker 1: stuff and all the trades. Uh. Now we're going to

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Speaker 1: go through the whole draft and also a little bit

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Speaker 1: of winners and losers of the two thousand eighteen NFL Draft,

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Speaker 1: and that's always fun. But let's talk about some of

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Speaker 1: the big news that kind of came out of Friday

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Speaker 1: and Saturday and think the story that everybody kind of

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Speaker 1: on Saturday, but also a kind of interesting football story

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Speaker 1: was Shack Griffin joining his brother in Seattle. And this

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Speaker 1: is very cool. Lindsay got us the audio of the

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Speaker 1: phone call from Carol and Uh Schneider the GM UH

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Speaker 1: speaking with Griffin when the draft one down. Let's listen

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Speaker 1: to that. Yeah, what's happening to you? No doubt? Tome?

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Speaker 1: Oh sorry one Hello chickens, John str com Brody, how

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Speaker 1: you doing? I can't I can't even breathe right now?

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Speaker 1: my god. It's a real deal, man. This is a

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Speaker 1: great moment, and we're really we're expecting you to come

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Speaker 1: I mean, a lot of things in the NFL Draft

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Speaker 1: this ended up. This is a guy that didn't even

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Speaker 1: the one thing I do trust about the Seahawks. This

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Speaker 1: the idea uh and we heard about it leading up

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Speaker 1: such an amazing story. Mayock had good analysis, so they

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Speaker 1: all of his determination. I can only imagine how many

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Speaker 1: know Bob McGinn, who who puts out a great draft product,

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Speaker 1: one of the biggest reasons Shakim Griffin is there tonight

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Speaker 1: for us, the Shakim Griffin story is pretty much new

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Speaker 1: unbelievable moment for that family. And and the NFL. The

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Speaker 1: the football field. Hey, the trade tsunami. You think you

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Speaker 1: was one of the worst contracts of the of the decade.

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Speaker 1: It's amazing how Sean McVeigh is kind of just erased

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Speaker 1: gotta be I think that turnaround is going to happen eventually.

428
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Speaker 1: And it's And they went out one of the things

429
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Speaker 1: that eight and eight this year, well, I don't think

430
00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 1: that's a crazy thing. Is eight and eight doesn't mean

431
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:15,560
Speaker 1: that you need to blow people up, you know, every week.

432
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,880
Speaker 1: But Nick Chudd, they talked about the person. They loved

433
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Speaker 1: the person as well, and like that that Bob McGain

434
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,159
Speaker 1: scouting report, if you go read what they wrote about him,

435
00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,240
Speaker 1: it's like scouts love the guy too. So the Browns

436
00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,359
Speaker 1: are are you know, there's a couple of character question

437
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:28,680
Speaker 1: marks for their day today, But they went out and

438
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:30,479
Speaker 1: tried to find guys who are leaders as well. I've

439
00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:32,639
Speaker 1: just been lacking in that lock on that subject. The

440
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,560
Speaker 1: Browns also in the fourth round took Florida wide receiver

441
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Speaker 1: Antonio Calla. That's a character guy. And this is a

442
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Speaker 1: guy that, um, according to people in the know, has

443
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Speaker 1: first round type talent, but has been a complete knucklehead

444
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:49,640
Speaker 1: off the field, was involved with the sexual assault investigation

445
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:53,640
Speaker 1: in which he made comments about his marijuana use took

446
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,640
Speaker 1: him out of any type of possibility of being involved.

447
00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 1: And then there was a credit card scam and uh

448
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 1: and I said it too downstairs. My first takeaways, well, yeah,

449
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 1: let's get that guy in a room with Josh Gordon.

450
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 1: Uh So I would have some concerns about that. But

451
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,159
Speaker 1: the talent a freaky athlete, as you say, he's been

452
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:13,240
Speaker 1: training with Antonio Brown. I just had a daughter and

453
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 1: by his words, he says that having a child changed

454
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Speaker 1: a lot for him. And we'll see. I think it's

455
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Speaker 1: it's definitely he's sitting there in the fourth round primarily

456
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 1: and exclusively because of the person he's proven to be

457
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Speaker 1: over the past couple of years. So there's one or

458
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 1: two things. Either, like you know, I said to West,

459
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 1: either you get get two birds one stone where he

460
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Speaker 1: just pulls Josh Gordon out with him at some point,

461
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Speaker 1: or maybe Josh Gordon, maybe Josh Gordon has been through

462
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Speaker 1: enough where he's actually someone that could help mentor player

463
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Speaker 1: like that. Who knows. I mean the only thing is

464
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,960
Speaker 1: that John Dorsey, he took Tyreek Hill, who had major

465
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Speaker 1: character issues and that has worked in Kansas City. It's like,

466
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Speaker 1: you have to have the right organization around you to

467
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Speaker 1: make it work. And Cleveland needs to prove that they

468
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Speaker 1: do well. Hugh Jackson needs to prove that he knows

469
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Speaker 1: what to do with a lot of talent. Because you

470
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Speaker 1: said you can make jokes about Cleveland all you want

471
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Speaker 1: about their offense. I don't think anyone's making jokes about

472
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 1: the talent on their offense. I think people are looking

473
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Speaker 1: at what they have and thinking that's an offense that

474
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 1: should move the ball. And you got you have a

475
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,479
Speaker 1: veteran quarterback in Tyrod Taylor, you have a number one

476
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Speaker 1: overall pick, and Baker Mayfield, who kind of reminded me

477
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 1: of Tyrod Taylor, a better Tyrod Taylor when when I

478
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 1: watched him. And all of these guys, I mean, they're

479
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,719
Speaker 1: deep at these different positions and I don't mind them

480
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 1: taking you get the Day three of the draft is

481
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Speaker 1: for taking chances. You can't you can't kill a team

482
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Speaker 1: unless it's like seven guys just like that, which is

483
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 1: kind of like the Raiders Gordon because it's well known.

484
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,919
Speaker 1: What's funny because and now you're bringing this guy who

485
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Speaker 1: was younger and more mature in his head is currently

486
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Speaker 1: having issues. It's just like, I don't know if I

487
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Speaker 1: would do that. The only thing is the only thing

488
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Speaker 1: I'd say, it's not too None of us know these

489
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Speaker 1: people personally at all, and there's a lot more they did,

490
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 1: they didn't They the Browns feel like they do have

491
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:58,639
Speaker 1: a sense for who he is, and we'll see if

492
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 1: it were. It's funny because they said about Chubb after

493
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 1: they drafted him, he exemplifies everything we're trying to build

494
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Speaker 1: here in Cleveland, and so like that's one one area

495
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 1: and then we kind of take the opposite. Well, fine,

496
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: but you can't put like by the way. If you

497
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Speaker 1: side listening to that, you're like, well, by the way, though,

498
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 1: you're not just good luck, good luck building an NFL

499
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 1: roster where every player on it is, you know, a

500
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 1: shining member of society. You're gonna You're not Dan Dan

501
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,640
Speaker 1: referenced this, but a want of the Browns and succeed.

502
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 1: We're pulling for. I don't know everywhere we do you

503
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 1: references Dan, But I feel like we deserve to read

504
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 1: the actual sentence that Tom Pellicero wrote his various legal entanglements,

505
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Speaker 1: A sexual assault allegation he was cleared of after a

506
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Speaker 1: Title nine hearing in which Callaway said he was quote

507
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:51,159
Speaker 1: so stoned unquote a marijuana he didn't want to have

508
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 1: sex with anyone cleared him of the charges. I mean,

509
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 1: it's listen, it's not a spotless track record because the

510
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 1: the the issues go far beyond that one incident. So,

511
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,400
Speaker 1: uh so that's what's going on Brown's corner. They will

512
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,120
Speaker 1: probably come hup a little later in the show. Let's

513
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 1: talk about the Washington Redskins, who, by the way, we

514
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 1: have breaking news. We do what do you got West?

515
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 1: The Raiders have traded for another receiver whoa which one?

516
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Speaker 1: Cowboys wide out Ryan Switzer, who this time last year

517
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 1: was hailed as some kind of demon punt returner was

518
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 1: going to take the league by storm and take cool

519
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 1: Beasley's job, has been traded to the Raiders for defensive

520
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:39,880
Speaker 1: texts gehad Ward Gee howd Ward? What her name pounced?

521
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 1: An intriguing trade, I thought the Cowboys, I mean, that's

522
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 1: pretty early to jump out on him. Yeah, especially the

523
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Speaker 1: way he was built up last year. Are you saying

524
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 1: I thought they might chank Mark? John Gruden does it again.

525
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that we should get into the Raiders later.

526
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 1: But they have had a fascinating draft of taking a

527
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Speaker 1: ton of high risk, just making like every high risk,

528
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 1: high reward move you possibly can. Gehad Ward was drafted high.

529
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember what's the second I mean, he

530
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: was a second round pick that they're giving up. I'm

531
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,199
Speaker 1: clearly didn't work. I thought they might trade Cole Beasley

532
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 1: after this, after the terrible season he had not after

533
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: the tracks, he just laid down. Yeah, he's just laying down.

534
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 1: He very similar player to Ryan Switzer. I'm just happy

535
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: that you didn't shame West for breaking into the show

536
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 1: with it relatively move, because I support such as much

537
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Speaker 1: breaking news as possible. That's great here in the seventh

538
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: that's supersed some of your very low level mezzanine breaking

539
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: news elements that you brought. Thinks the privilege and when

540
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 1: West does it, he West. I think it's coming from

541
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,880
Speaker 1: a good place, whereas you sometimes I question whether you're

542
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 1: looking to keep the show on track or be a

543
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 1: little bit of a joke. If I had done the

544
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Speaker 1: exact same breaking news, would I have or would I not? Yes,

545
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 1: because this would have been of the rare occurrence where

546
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 1: you're not undermining the show but bringing content. Yeah, as

547
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: a former executive editor, it's a little disturbing that your

548
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 1: news judgment isn't better. Who is an executive editor? You

549
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: were editor in chief, So uh, there's breaking news. Back

550
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: to uh, the Washington Redskins stay in the NFC East

551
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: and one of the sauciest moves of round two fifty

552
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 1: nine overall, pick Darius Guys, the L S L s

553
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: U running back who we heard time and time again

554
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 1: was a first round talent. This guy should have gone

555
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: in the top twenty and all that. However, and uh,

556
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 1: you know this is these are young kids. You you

557
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 1: forget like how young and immature some of these guys

558
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: are because you think, oh, what was I like when

559
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 1: I was twenty? Oh? But what if I was also

560
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 1: famous and spectacularly talented and everyone wanted a piece of

561
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: me at all times? Sometimes maybe something short circuit. I

562
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: think that's what happened maybe with Geiss in this pre

563
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: draft process, because he rubbed a lot of teams the

564
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 1: wrong way, and the Redskins, who definitely was had a

565
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: need for a player like Guys, end up taking the

566
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: fifty nine. They inherit the risks that come with the pick,

567
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: but it could have a big payoff. I had a

568
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: long back and forth with spice Rack yesterday, who told

569
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 1: me a year and a half ago, when everybody was

570
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: going gaga over Leonard four Nette, that that Geiss was

571
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,479
Speaker 1: more of his favorite player than four Nette. Spice Rack

572
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: has loved this guy forever, and he's like, why is

573
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: he sliding? Well, he made up. He fabricated the story

574
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: about a team asking him if his mom was a prostitute,

575
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: flat outlined about that and his sexual orientation. Yes, another

576
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: team caught him lying in their own interview, and then

577
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: the report came out that during his interview with the

578
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 1: Eagles there was like at the combine, Yeah, yeah, there was,

579
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: there was some kind of outburst where he got into

580
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: a shouting match with someone in the room. Um, to me,

581
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 1: this isn't like, oh he's he needs a second chance.

582
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: It seems just like he's a potential locker room weirdo,

583
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: you know Bill Brandon Lloyd thing. I mean, he obviously

584
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: has a problem with the truth. Well, he's also, as

585
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: Dan mentioned, a kid, and so is he gonna grow

586
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: out of that or not? Because nothing, there wasn't any

587
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: like off the field like he's gotten into a ton

588
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: of trouble. It wasn't stuff like that. And I think

589
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: it's funny because his most obvious comparison, it just jumps

590
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: off the screen, is Marshawn Lynch when you watch him run,

591
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 1: I mean, and I can see why spice Wreck would

592
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: love him, because like his balance and just the way

593
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: he runs through people, and that he's running so hard,

594
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: like his just his pants are on fire, down after down.

595
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 1: You know, people compared him to Marshall Lynch, and it

596
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 1: kind of reminds me a little of Marshall Lynch coming

597
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 1: out of school, who had a lot of red flax

598
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: people weren't too sure about. Ended up, you know, partly

599
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 1: short circuiting his time in Buffalo until he really found

600
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: a home, uh in Seattle. The Redskins were reportedly interested

601
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Speaker 1: in taking him with the number thirteen overall pick. Chris

602
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: Cooley tweeted ten days before the draft, the Redskins ideal

603
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 1: draft is to draft to Ron Payne and Darius Guys,

604
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: he said that, and that's exactly what happened. I don't

605
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: think they expected it to happen. Just sitting in there

606
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: two spots, they figured they probably would have had the

607
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: trade up to go get him. So it works out

608
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 1: nicely for the red It's it's easy for everyone to

609
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: By the way, Redskins need to not tell Chris Cooley

610
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 1: exactly what they're gonna do. That would help. I mean,

611
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 1: he grew up in bat and really pretty plugged in.

612
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: I know he's he's he's the announcer on the radio,

613
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 1: and he knew exactly what they were gonna do. This

614
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: is the first time Cooley has come on the air

615
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: and said this is what the Redskins are thinking exactly,

616
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: and it's turned out to be true. This guy's had

617
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: had a really rough childhood and I think that happening.

618
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: Large chunks of people covering the draft have no concept

619
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Speaker 1: of what some of these kids have been through before

620
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: they've gotten to this point, and so like the idea

621
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Speaker 1: that there would be room for him to grow as

622
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: a person. I'm glad the Redskins, you know, kept him

623
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Speaker 1: on their board and and took him. Like Greg I

624
00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: watched him too, and like this is like a yard

625
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: after contact machine. The dude is a hardass runner. He's

626
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: not a big receiver necessarily, but he is a fun

627
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 1: to watch and he will give that. I think the

628
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: Redskins under Scott mcluan when he was there. We're building

629
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: a tough offense where when they occasionally would have those

630
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: games where they would focus on the run, it would work.

631
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Speaker 1: They were a joy to watch. They seem like an

632
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 1: old school team. This guy gives you an answer running

633
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: back right away. If he can they keep his head

634
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: on great platform. They can end up losing the guy

635
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 1: that's now the highest paid quarterback in NFL history and

636
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: be a better offense next year. Why not? Yeah? Um?

637
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: In other news, Kai for Beth, that's competition. Surprise. We

638
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: didn't leave the show it And I know what you're thinking,

639
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Speaker 1: kais Ky. You know, Kay's a guy that's not gonna

640
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: get two worked up about. Uh. You know other people

641
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 1: coming in try to get his job. Kai is only

642
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: gonna focus on Kai. But the Vikings draft at a

643
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,479
Speaker 1: kicker in the sixth round today. Weston knows his name.

644
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: I don't. All I could. All I know is I

645
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: think it's it's actually I saw a witty headline somewhere,

646
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: might have been p f T. I think it's Daniel Carlson.

647
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 1: That's correct, Cobra Kai against Danielson. I don't think you

648
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: draft a kicker in the fifth round if you don't

649
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: assume he's gonna take over the job. Oh no, Kai's

650
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: Kai in a tough spot right now, Yes he is.

651
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: Do we think Kai you know Kai being Kai? Do

652
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: we think he's really gonna take this young kicker under

653
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: his wing and mentor? And based on my knowledge of

654
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: Kai via someone that is close to him, Uh, I

655
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: don't imagine he's going to be incredibly It's not gonna

656
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: be like Josh McCown uh telling telling Sam Donald, Hey,

657
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: you could stay at my house until you get on

658
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: your feet. It's not gonna be like that type of

659
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: mentor relationship. It's gonna be more like I'll kill you

660
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 1: if you come on this side of the room. Like

661
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: take a piece of like masking tape in the kicker

662
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: room and just say if you step over this line,

663
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 1: kas kay, guy's gonna kill you. That type of situation.

664
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: So occasionally kickers get replaced for being a holes. That

665
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 1: is sort of what we're what we're suggesting here. Think

666
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: in any line of worked, that's a risk speaking well,

667
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: I'm not I don't know him, but that's the report

668
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 1: suggests that he's not a wonder kid say too much

669
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 1: speaking of kickers that some people think maybe an a

670
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,320
Speaker 1: hole right now, let's lie here. David Akers announcing a

671
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,800
Speaker 1: pick for the Philadelphia Eagles at Cowboys Stadium, a T

672
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:38,760
Speaker 1: and T Stadium tonight. I'm representing the Philadelphia REGs. He's

673
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: chefs devision, little chefs, chess, chaps, chaff bas drop picks.

674
00:34:55,520 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 1: What bo amazing? That's pretty good. I mean it's a kicker.

675
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: And some people are gonna say, hey, you know, calm

676
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 1: down a little bit. Yeah me. This was on Greg's radar,

677
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: like starting yesterday that Dallas has just been abused by

678
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 1: one speaker after the next. I like, I like it

679
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: as a as a trend, and it was a response.

680
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: I mean it's a direct response to Drew Pearson last

681
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 1: year in Philadelphia. I mean that's that he came in

682
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: ready to respond. Drew Pearson comes after them last year. Hey,

683
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: we haven't win a super Bowl in the in the

684
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: following year, you're gonna get it, You're gonna eat it. Yeah,

685
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 1: that's true. I love it. Acre. I thought it's a

686
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: little bit weird. Uh. Willie Brown came up did his

687
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: Raiders spiel? You heard? Oh, Mike Vick can we hear

688
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: Mike vick Don and for the record, I never lost

689
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 1: to Dallas. He lost twice in six tries. Um, that's

690
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: not here nor there. But he lost twice. How does

691
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: he come up with that as a statement that vix

692
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: out a long winding life. Maybe some things aren't as

693
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: clear with him, but you think it is kind of

694
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 1: weird that these these guys come up on the stage.

695
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 1: First of all, they're just they're up there. It's weird

696
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 1: to announce a pick, and instead it turns into this

697
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: mega hate fest and the Cowboys. And then right after

698
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 1: when they were showing um, when they right after the

699
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 1: Acres thing went down, they cut to the Cowboys war

700
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 1: room and I know they're very busy because they actually

701
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: had the next pick. The Eagles jumped in front of

702
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 1: him and took their guy and his name was Dallas,

703
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: which is funny. But uh, you gotta think Jerry Jones

704
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: is hearing this. He's like, why is this happening inside

705
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: my building right now? What are we doing here? What?

706
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:36,760
Speaker 1: I didn't sign up for this? It is weird day akers.

707
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: You don't play for the Eagles anymore. Oh, he's representing

708
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 1: the fans. He didn't a little a little too amped up,

709
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,479
Speaker 1: I mean a little extra. He was very much someone

710
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: made this comparison. It was perfect. He was exactly the

711
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 1: He was like a manager of a heel. And I

712
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: think it was Bill Barnwell that had that. I mean

713
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 1: he was he was Erwin mar Shyster's former manager, and

714
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: he definitely has a little Bobby Heenan. What would you say,

715
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: lindsay you're a huge wrestling fan, what would be the

716
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: famous manager You're a big I R. S fan? Slick?

717
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 1: Who would be the wrestling valet? Not Slit was most

718
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: like David Acres on Friday Paul hey Man, I guess

719
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: like currently, if you're looking for a current guy, I mean,

720
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: he's definitely Bobby Heenan. Yeah, he's got it, got a

721
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: little hayne in d N. He was the biggest He'll

722
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 1: manager of all time. Jimmy Hart was pretty good the

723
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 1: Mount Jimmy Hart. You know what, Jimmy Hart is not

724
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 1: a bad comparison either, because Jimmy Hart and David Acres

725
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 1: are both sort of slight dude, so you kind of

726
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: see that that's Jimmy Hart. Drove me nuts that, you know, Yeah,

727
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 1: that megaphone. That guy was annoying him and Honky talk Man. Please,

728
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: you know it's a trend when calm down. Jimmy Hart,

729
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think he was like Jimmy Hart,

730
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: Greg when you were born, maybe was like entering his prime.

731
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: So he was managing. He was managing Brett Hart and

732
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 1: Jim Yeah, and then whatever. Well let's say if the

733
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: South podcast, they were the hard foundation, all right, So

734
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: that's what's going on. I want to get into a

735
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 1: little winners and losers. We got a lot that we're

736
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: gonna do, so a few winners and losers. Now we're

737
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: gonna check in on or go get my lunch props,

738
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna try to get Jeremy Bergman, who's

739
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: one of our writers and editors downstairs who has been

740
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: in Dallas, to get his thoughts on the scene. Philly

741
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 1: got a major part. It was it's the year of

742
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,760
Speaker 1: Philly right now. And you could say kind of started

743
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 1: with the draft last April when Philadelphia got a lot

744
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 1: of pop for how lively that was. Let's find out

745
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 1: from Burgo later how Dallas was. But let's do some

746
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: winners and losers. Greg will start with you, because you

747
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 1: did you've been cranking away your winners and losers piece

748
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: Friday was Today's piece, the Sunday piece also some Dunton

749
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: Ells it was more just winners essentially to the teams

750
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: that how about Dunton Ells rebranding your your column because

751
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 1: I feel like that it gives them more of an

752
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: updated spin the way the kids talk. I think that

753
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: would be a rough decision Dubs and Elson, which which

754
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,800
Speaker 1: team should we go in the funeral? I like what

755
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: the Falcons did. I like I like the Falcons looking

756
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,320
Speaker 1: ahead and taking Calvin Ridley in the first round. I

757
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: think they needed to juice up their offense a little bit,

758
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 1: that they couldn't let it just sit there. I think

759
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: getting Calvin Ridley was a great start. Everything I read

760
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: about Isaiah Oliver, their second round pick at cornerback, I

761
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: really like and I think they have a chance to

762
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 1: be one of the uh better cornerback trios in the

763
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: in the league if he can end up being as

764
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,439
Speaker 1: good as he looks. And then after that, they really

765
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,720
Speaker 1: stuck to kind of their m O. I like teams

766
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 1: that have defined philosophies. They take guys who jump out

767
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 1: of the gym, they take guys who score really high

768
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: in the Spark Score and just are great athletes and speed,

769
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: and you could see that from the third round throughout

770
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: the rest of the draft. They kind of have an identity.

771
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 1: And I thought the Ridley pick especially was kind of

772
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: thinking a little bit in the future, which I which

773
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed. I like that for me, and it

774
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: pains me somewhat to to acknowledge this, but I think

775
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: that Ozzie Newsome in his final draft is one of

776
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:17,320
Speaker 1: the greatest gms that will ever you know, experience, knocked

777
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 1: it out of the park, and you know, and the

778
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 1: idea of like you want to leave some sort of

779
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 1: a legacy behind. I love what they did with Hayden Hurst,

780
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:25,800
Speaker 1: a tight end that filled a need, but that was

781
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: a great player at that position, and you unlike some

782
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 1: of these teams that were too cowed to deal with

783
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:36,280
Speaker 1: the idea of trading up or acquiring Lamar Jackson Baltimore suddenly,

784
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: which I mean, Joe Flacco, you're a super Bowl winner,

785
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 1: but but Joe Flacco, the stink on him for me

786
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: has always been just a little bit of a dull

787
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 1: aura around Joe Flacco. That the Ravens offense, especially of

788
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: late and the back the back issue version of Joe

789
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: Flacco is painful to witness, and the entire Ravens offense

790
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: for the past couple of years has been stuck in

791
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: the mud. And suddenly you try to tell me that

792
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: Joe Flacco is gonna hold off Lamar Jackson this season.

793
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,240
Speaker 1: Good luck to you, because we're gonna get a taste

794
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 1: of him in the preseason and the Baltimore fans are

795
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 1: gonna freak out if he does what we think he

796
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 1: can do, and there's gonna be major changes in Baltimore

797
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be Azzi Knewsome. He started this organization

798
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: with the homework he did in Cleveland to take Jonathan

799
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 1: Ogden and ray Lewis. That was incredible continuity that that

800
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: ray Lewis basically is correct said that Baltimore Ravens would

801
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: never have been the team we that they turned out

802
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 1: to be had Ozzy Knewsom not been the guy making

803
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: those picks so correctly. And he finishes it by giving

804
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: them one of the most exciting quarterback prospects in the

805
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 1: history of the NFL. The Ravens are a winner. They

806
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 1: also take Zeus Brown's son as a possible right tackle.

807
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: Mark Andrews they got. The tight end they drafted in

808
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: a third round might even be a better receiver than

809
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: Hayden Hurst, the guy they got early on. So I

810
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: love what Ozzy did and I like to look at

811
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 1: this like in combination with the free agent plan too.

812
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 1: I think the Ravens and the Bucks I spoke about

813
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 1: it on the last podcast, have had the two most

814
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: impressive off seasons. But I already talked about that. I'm

815
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: gonna go to the Bears. I love the Roquan Smith

816
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: pick and then the second rounder Anthony Miller. This is

817
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: the guy that scouts absolutely love when you hear things like,

818
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 1: oh dude, that guy's just a football play football playing monster,

819
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 1: or every quarterback would love to have him. Tough as nails.

820
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: To me, like that's as a slot receiver doesn't get

821
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 1: any more complimentary from scouts than that. I just love

822
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,760
Speaker 1: everything that the Bears have done since the offseason started.

823
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: They doesn't it feel like and they are now entering

824
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 1: offseason darling territory a little bit, But doesn't it feel

825
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: like they are in really good position to make a

826
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: jump and be a competitive in the NFC. And it

827
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 1: hasn't been that way in a while they are so

828
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 1: much more interesting going into this season than they have

829
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 1: been in a long time. I couldn't agree more with West.

830
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: I think they had a great draft, and I think

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00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: they had a great offseason at all, kind of like

832
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 1: you mentioned with the Ravens, that all complement each other.

833
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 1: I think getting Naggie kind of gave them a purpose.

834
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: They didn't really have like a vision of what they

835
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 1: were gonna do with John Fox, and now they do well.

836
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,240
Speaker 1: In a year ago, the story coming out of Chicago

837
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: a year ago was that Fox, who we already felt like,

838
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,760
Speaker 1: you know, you're you're bringing players into a Fox system,

839
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: and none one's convinced Fox is gonna be here a

840
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 1: year or two years from now, which is really a

841
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 1: troubling way to enter any sort of offseason process. But now,

842
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:18,919
Speaker 1: I mean they and they came out of that draft

843
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: where you find out they draft Robinsky and Fox didn't

844
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: even know what they were gonna do. It seemed like

845
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 1: the Bears were in total chaos. They've had ownership issues,

846
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:27,439
Speaker 1: I think for a long time because they just don't

847
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,720
Speaker 1: simply treat that team with the with the money allotment

848
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: and sort of the up to date nature that other

849
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 1: teams do. It feels completely different. Right now, you've got

850
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: a good GM and you've got a good coach that

851
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: are on the same page. You're saying that there were

852
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 1: tough times in the Foxhole. There were. That's exactly what

853
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: I that was sort of I could have summed up

854
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: what I just said in that sentence. Instead, let's do

855
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: some losers. West. I'm gonna I'm gonna wait. I'm gonna

856
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: put you last because I really want to build up

857
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 1: to this. Uh Greg, a loser who would be a

858
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: loser in this draft stop to really bang teams on

859
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 1: Saturday of the draft. But if he had one, you

860
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 1: did write a Debsnell's column, right. I know, I did

861
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 1: teams that would get better that I got better this

862
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 1: weekend basically because of that, because it's hard to be

863
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: like because even the giants who I kind of like

864
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,879
Speaker 1: didn't love how they're thinking long term, they got much better.

865
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 1: They got guys that can help them right away. I

866
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 1: actually had them as one of the teams that did

867
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: get better immediately because they drafted guys who can play

868
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,800
Speaker 1: right away, including their second round pick Will Hernandez. I

869
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 1: want to borrow one of my losers, Joe Flacco. Well, yeah,

870
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 1: there's certainly player losers. I would I would mean just

871
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: listening to Steve smith comments about Joe Flacco to me

872
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 1: was telling because he's played with Joe Flacco, and I

873
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: just read more into that than than than him just

874
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: saying those comments. There's gonna be not just some thick competition.

875
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 1: You got r G three, you're out, buddy, you got

876
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson and Joe whose looks like he might be

877
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: just like us here. I would say that, like in

878
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: certain stead of loser, you come out of this with

879
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 1: a couple of teams where you've added more pressure on

880
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 1: yourselves because of what you did. And I think the

881
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 1: Raiders are one of those teams. Like we said, they've

882
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 1: taken Calton Miller, fine, except that you traded up for

883
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 1: him and got you got banged on that trade and

884
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:21,359
Speaker 1: you didn't you didn't get enough when you went down.

885
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 1: You didn't get enough when you went down. P J.

886
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: Hall was overdrafted in many people's eyes. People hated Calton Miller,

887
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 1: who are a lot of sure art and key was

888
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: a guy with a lot of issues that like maybe

889
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: if you unlock his potential, but the people look at

890
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,839
Speaker 1: him as there's some teams didn't want to touch him,

891
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 1: and Maurice Hurst like I, I like, I feel bad

892
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 1: for him because it's a health issue, but it's a

893
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 1: concerning heart issue that a lot of teams didn't have

894
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: him on the board. The Raiders just sort of across

895
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 1: the way said we're going to continue to raise eyebrows

896
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: with what we do. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't.

897
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: Davis Bryant, it was a swing for the fences type

898
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: of draft even there, like their Day three picks in general,

899
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 1: some guys, not just Hurst that I weren't as familiar

900
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 1: with it were just either off field issues or just

901
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 1: ultimate boom er bus type of guy. I I kind

902
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: of love that. The wet's the way Gruden's Rudens have

903
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 1: an answer questions about it. He's already swatting down the doubters, saying,

904
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: I'm not listening to the skeptics. You're like a couple

905
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 1: of months into this. That's why they make sense a

906
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 1: little bit as a loser that it's a It's interesting

907
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:21,720
Speaker 1: how much that there's already headlines in Oakland like Gruden

908
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:25,320
Speaker 1: answer answers criticism for draft like you just don't expect

909
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:29,839
Speaker 1: that in this first year back. All right, Chris westling, Um,

910
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: it is your turn to share a loser. Well, look,

911
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: nobody likes to second guess what the Patriots do in

912
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 1: acquiring players, because you'll end up looking you end up

913
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 1: looking like a fool. They've been doing so well for

914
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 1: so long. And part of this, I guess, is just

915
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: amusing myself because the bit keeps going. But I was

916
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: a bit what what's what are the Patriots even doing?

917
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:53,800
Speaker 1: You got a fourty year old quarterback, You've got the

918
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: greatest tight end of all time who was considering retirement

919
00:46:56,600 --> 00:47:00,040
Speaker 1: in the next year or two. Do you have a

920
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: very defined Super Bowl window? And you're like, no, I

921
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:06,240
Speaker 1: don't need any of these picks in the second, third, fourth,

922
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: fifth round. We'll just pick at the end of the draft,

923
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 1: pick up a few guys by the way, but we

924
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 1: got we got a new left tackle who a lot

925
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 1: of people thought was a guard, and then we draft

926
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 1: Sony Michelle to go with James White, Rex Burkhead, Jeremy Hill,

927
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 1: Mike Gillis LEI guys that they spent the last two

928
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: years acquiring running back, not a position of need on

929
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:29,399
Speaker 1: this team. To me, like, why didn't you go out

930
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 1: and get that next developmental quarterback or your quarterback in

931
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 1: the future. But he gets some speed at linebacker, so

932
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 1: you have a linebacker who can make a play in

933
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl. I was totally underwhelmed with what the

934
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: Patriots did. They like, you have an answer to that.

935
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 1: I mean, they took three picks in the first two rounds.

936
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 1: That's a lot, and then they ended they ended up

937
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 1: drafting more players this year than any year that they've

938
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 1: than they've had in like many years. Big deal, yes

939
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: or no? That West is killing the Patriots right now.

940
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:02,280
Speaker 1: He traded Brandon Cooks away for this. It's a sea change.

941
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 1: Duke Dawson, Baby, I do like that they um that

942
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:11,280
Speaker 1: they traded away that Jimmy picks so many different times,

943
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:15,319
Speaker 1: including into next year, that there's no way anyone can well, yeah,

944
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 1: like it was for that one player, because they've now

945
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 1: turned it into two seconds and a fourth And this

946
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 1: is normally the type of you know Belichick stuff that

947
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: everyone goes gaga over, like, oh, he's playing the board,

948
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. Hey they have two seconds sex and

949
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 1: the Chinas. I like the fact that he's planning for

950
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 1: the future. It's what they do all along and and

951
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: basically the conventional wisdom for this draft was, like it

952
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,359
Speaker 1: was pretty lame in the middle. And that's that's one

953
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:42,399
Speaker 1: reason why the Rams said that they wanted to load

954
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 1: up on sixth round picks. They have like seven sixth

955
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 1: round picks. They didn't believe in the middle of the draft.

956
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: And so he went and he took a fifth, and

957
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:51,760
Speaker 1: he took four sixth whatever. I do like Will Brinson

958
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: basically to your point, said that one of the losers

959
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 1: in this draft process was Jimmy G. Truthers because yes

960
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 1: they cannot Diagraham, what on earth they actually got, or

961
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 1: because they have the Bear. For instance, the Bears got

962
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 1: Anthony Miller. The Bears gave up their second round pick

963
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 1: a year from now and a high fourth round pick

964
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 1: this year. I don't really trust trust the Patriots to

965
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: make good second round picks because you know, like most teams,

966
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 1: they don't. They don't do it. It's a crapshoot. So

967
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 1: they get an extra one for the Jimmy G. Trade

968
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 1: and they get a high fourth this year that they

969
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: turned into it. Do you not come out slightly annoyed

970
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 1: at the Patriots fan that still exists in you somewhere.

971
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 1: Not even then the slightest You're not they didn't get

972
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 1: a quarterback higher up, someone I would have liked Mark Jackson,

973
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 1: but Sony Michelle was probably one of the most exciting

974
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 1: players in the entire draft. They certainly needed offensive line

975
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: help and and he was. This guy was number nine

976
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 1: on Josh Norris's board. Was kind of like the Draft

977
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 1: Knicks favorite. I don't know if it means anything. Have

978
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 1: you considered that Bill Belichick has just lost his touch?

979
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 1: I I kind of believe my I have kind of

980
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 1: come to the us. I've kind of come to the

981
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: belief that almost all general managers are the exact same

982
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 1: in terms of picking players. That it's basically that it's

983
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 1: that autist. You're like a week out, I think, being

984
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: an article where you ranked the g MS from one

985
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 1: to thirty two. I mean, if that's I'm saying they

986
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 1: were draft picks in production, like, that's what the numb

987
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 1: the studies kind of show. Where would you put Ryan

988
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: Grigson on that scale? He had an unbelievable two thousand

989
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 1: twelve and then one of the best drafts probably of

990
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 1: the decade. That's that kind of what I mean is

991
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:32,800
Speaker 1: it's kind of a crapshoot. Mickey Loomis was one of

992
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,800
Speaker 1: the worst pickers probably the last decade, and then it

993
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: feels it feels slightly distressed and joined his run office. Uh,

994
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 1: it's it's not a hot take either. That's kind of

995
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 1: like general thought. That's like saying all quarterbacks throw the

996
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 1: same that that like, people have different ability. For the

997
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: most part, your your pick rate is pretty similar from

998
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 1: team to team. Yeah, okay, but except that certain co teams,

999
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,439
Speaker 1: certain GMS find way Like are you saying that Ozzy

1000
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:03,840
Speaker 1: Newsom is no different than like when Joe Banner was

1001
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 1: running the Browns? I mean, come on, I think it's

1002
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:11,879
Speaker 1: a it's an organizational thing coaching and teaching the GA

1003
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 1: the Glacier and Bill Belichick essentially in your world, there's

1004
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 1: no difference between Bill Belichick and a man named the

1005
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 1: Glacier of Fame. I'm just talking about draft pick success.

1006
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:25,839
Speaker 1: And it's kind of been proven over time that it's

1007
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 1: tough to like be good year after year after year

1008
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:30,280
Speaker 1: doing that. Well. There's because there's a human element beyond

1009
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 1: the scope of the GMS picks to begin with. But

1010
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 1: but in general, you there are certain teams that find

1011
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 1: fit and value it seems consistently in their organization. A

1012
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 1: lot of that I think is coaching and having an

1013
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 1: organizational fit and in a million other things that goes

1014
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 1: into like making your team. It's also like most of

1015
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 1: what you're talking about, it was just randomness with injuries.

1016
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:52,879
Speaker 1: I'll throw in one last loser, uh, and I'll say

1017
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 1: it's all those punks out there who had their fun

1018
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 1: and their little columns. After the Jets traded up to

1019
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 1: pick three, and oh, the Jets gave way too much

1020
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 1: draft capital, up too many second round picks. What are

1021
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:10,439
Speaker 1: the Jets doing? What are the Jets? Oh my god,

1022
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:13,919
Speaker 1: the Jets are doing Jetsy things again. Oh they gave

1023
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 1: up so much. Oh yeah. Cut to draft night and

1024
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 1: the Jets got the presumptive number one quarterback period exclamation point,

1025
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 1: Sam Donald h And we sat out round two yesterday.

1026
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,319
Speaker 1: Not one Jet fan was upset about that. And when

1027
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 1: we missed the one second round pick last year, we

1028
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:36,319
Speaker 1: won't even think about it because we got a real

1029
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback. And you know why, because he our man

1030
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 1: Big Mac, wasn't afraid to take a little heat to

1031
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: move up where he needed to move up to put

1032
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 1: himself in position to get the Jets of franchise quarterback

1033
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 1: they've been looking for for forty five years? Did that

1034
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:59,360
Speaker 1: feel good? So good? Criticized them every major writer connected

1035
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 1: to there that's sent footsteps they were killed forgetting just

1036
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 1: up to three where you're leaving yourself exposed. If you

1037
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 1: think I'm hinting at you, I'm not. No, I'm not,

1038
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 1: because I honestly didn't see that or remember it. I mean,

1039
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 1: the Jets were consistently written as a team. The Jets

1040
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 1: gave up way too much. And there was also one

1041
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 1: criticism you had a lot of why didn't they even

1042
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 1: call the Giants? Who the Giants won't even pick up

1043
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 1: the phone and people trying to get in touch with them,

1044
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 1: let alone take a call from the Jets. The Jets

1045
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 1: actually nailed This never happens, but they did. Here is

1046
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: one promise to to Greg into West and basically to everyone,

1047
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:42,879
Speaker 1: this will happen at some point. But when it does,

1048
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:46,280
Speaker 1: when the Jets and the Browns both are are hammering

1049
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:48,800
Speaker 1: teams on a weekly basis, Dan and I will be

1050
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:52,320
Speaker 1: two of the most annoying people on the entire planet.

1051
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 1: You two will suffer the most. We are going to

1052
00:53:57,080 --> 00:54:01,280
Speaker 1: be It's pretty insufferable. It's pretty insufferable, likensidering the Browns

1053
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 1: literally didn't win a game last year. How much trash

1054
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 1: document I mean last night, They're no ridiculous And and

1055
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: I and Dana I are just going to punch or

1056
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 1: puncher who is going to be the more annoying fan

1057
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,319
Speaker 1: when this thing gets I have offered like a ted

1058
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,359
Speaker 1: in sixth season. I wasn't. I haven't been bragging about

1059
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:22,800
Speaker 1: the Jets future anything, but I feel excited. And the Brown's,

1060
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 1: Jets and Bills my one last winner if we want

1061
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 1: to do a speed round of winners before we move on.

1062
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 1: The Browns, Jets, and Bills um are all three of

1063
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 1: the most long suffering franchises. They all got a big

1064
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 1: time quarterback. Now we know through the history of football,

1065
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 1: well all three of these guys hit, probably not can

1066
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 1: all three miss? Maybe but one and maybe two of

1067
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 1: these guys can end up being franchise type guys. And

1068
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 1: that means too, three of the uh saddest teams in

1069
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:54,439
Speaker 1: football for decades are about to get a major shot

1070
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 1: in the arm. That's a big win. I'll give you

1071
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 1: a quick winner. I agree with that. I give you

1072
00:54:57,560 --> 00:54:59,320
Speaker 1: a quick winter. I think the Broncos coming out with

1073
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 1: Bradley really agree. Turning around and drafting Courtland Sutton, a

1074
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,359
Speaker 1: lot of people thought would go to Dallas good wide receiver.

1075
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:06,399
Speaker 1: They put a lot around Case Keenum, and I think

1076
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:09,280
Speaker 1: you have to maybe say yeah. I think maybe elwait

1077
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:14,320
Speaker 1: more in case. I think the Giants are so embarrassed

1078
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 1: of what happened last year that they're just scratching and

1079
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 1: not worried as much about the future and looking to

1080
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 1: get to nine wins, which might not might play well

1081
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 1: this year and not play well in the feud. The

1082
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:26,760
Speaker 1: progress could be right back in the playoffs if Keenum

1083
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:28,799
Speaker 1: works out. I love what they did in the draft.

1084
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:32,320
Speaker 1: Let's check in with go get my lunch, hold on

1085
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 1: one quick winner. Go ahead. Sorry I haven't always been

1086
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 1: nice to this franchise, but the Bengals are having a

1087
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 1: very nice offseason. They trade for a left tackle, Corty Glenn.

1088
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:44,399
Speaker 1: They draft a center in Billy Price. This was their

1089
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 1: biggest two problems on offense last year, left tackle and center.

1090
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 1: Theoretically they fixed those and then defense they get a

1091
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 1: ton of talent, including Sam Hubbard, a guy that spice

1092
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:57,319
Speaker 1: rack is very high on Maleek Jefferson at linebacker, Jesse

1093
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 1: Bates at safety. I would not be surprised the Bengals

1094
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,839
Speaker 1: end up atop the a f C. North whoa big

1095
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:08,320
Speaker 1: take there like it and a little bit of a surprise,

1096
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 1: I gotta say. But they've also got guy coming back.

1097
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 1: John Ross didn't give them anything he could. He's a

1098
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 1: major X factor, Tyler Eifertson X factor. Joe Mixing could

1099
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:18,399
Speaker 1: be a stud running back. There's a lot that could

1100
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 1: go right for the Bengals this year. Imagine that we

1101
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 1: spent five months talking about John Ross last offseason and

1102
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 1: yet he did not do a thing. Maybe he will

1103
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 1: this time. It's like the five months that will have spent,

1104
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 1: you know, talking about the Patriots demise this offseason, only

1105
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:35,280
Speaker 1: to find Week two and you guys are all like, oh, actually,

1106
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 1: we were all wrong. Like that we have. We have

1107
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 1: thoroughly gotten under Greg's skin the first time he's cared

1108
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 1: about the Patriots in four years. You know why because

1109
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 1: he actually feels a little bit of heat. Now he

1110
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 1: feels wait a second, the tectonic plates they're starting to shift.

1111
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:54,440
Speaker 1: Your your your son's grandson. At this pace will not

1112
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 1: witness as many super Bowls as the Patriots had in

1113
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 1: the last twenty years. I know that that I've had

1114
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:03,320
Speaker 1: a good If it's all over, it was fun, Go

1115
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 1: get my lunch. It's all over for you being in

1116
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 1: the first place in this competition. Uh, we'll start with

1117
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:14,720
Speaker 1: Chris Westling west More of the same middling effort in yours.

1118
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 1: But can't you're not You're not making the move that

1119
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 1: you need to. You'r you go five and five. You

1120
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 1: had Josh Rosen as the second quarterback drafted, and Josh

1121
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 1: Rosen was the fourth. I think you was right tent overall. Uh,

1122
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 1: if the Giants stay at pick number two, they will

1123
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 1: draft a quarterback. And the Giants stay at pick two,

1124
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 1: they did not draft a quarterback. That lust of three

1125
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 1: sandwiches you had the Colts will not draft at number

1126
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 1: six overall. Only Greg took you on that, and they

1127
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 1: stayed at six and took Quentin Nelson the Guarden a

1128
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 1: Notre Dame. And you had the Patriots won't trade up

1129
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 1: for a quarterback. And actually you got that one right,

1130
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 1: They did not trade up for a quarterback. Uh. So

1131
00:57:57,160 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 1: you get a sandwich on Mark. Ye, there's two more

1132
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 1: sandwiches coming from Mark yeah, I will be. I will

1133
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 1: be buying a round of sandwiches very soon in the

1134
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 1: mayok one. Okay, so as of now you're six and four,

1135
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 1: but that could change, uh for the better. Mark right now. Uh,

1136
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 1: let's see the second quarterback drafted, Baker Mayfield. Your brownies.

1137
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 1: They said we're taking them number one and we're just

1138
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 1: gonna roll. How are you feeling about that two days later?

1139
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 1: What the sandwich bet or the fact number one? Overall?

1140
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 1: I feel good. You hear the report that Jim Brown

1141
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 1: is not happy. I feel fine, I feel good. It

1142
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 1: was right about Trent Richardson, true, feeling good, feeling fine.

1143
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 1: He nailed at Trent Richardson cessilary head. Don't come at me.

1144
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 1: There will be four or more trades before pick twenty.

1145
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 1: There were. Uh, so you got sandwiches from Danny Greg

1146
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 1: Patriots will draft at least two quarterbacks. Well, they failed

1147
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 1: entirely with their drafts, so they did not fulfill the promise.

1148
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 1: I don't even know if they drafted two players that

1149
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:00,040
Speaker 1: cost you three sandwiches. They did pick a quarterback, I

1150
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 1: think at the end of the draft. Uh, and then

1151
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 1: you're the whole, the whole, Mike, Mike Mayock thing you

1152
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 1: had going on. I don't think he trended on Twitter.

1153
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 1: It was kind of a nothing. I got thoroughly lost

1154
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 1: this Actually, looking back, as I told you downstairs, Dan

1155
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 1: in West, this was a bad job by me because

1156
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 1: I should have known a little bit more that the

1157
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 1: nature of Mayok would know that this was on going

1158
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 1: to be a thing, and that he would in a

1159
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 1: skillful way. He completely ignored it. She's not anyone's clown.

1160
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 1: Shout out to listener Cody Darmos, who actually created a

1161
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 1: fake article in which he tried Mike may is being apoplectic.

1162
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 1: He attempted to help me out there, Mark five and five. There, Greg,

1163
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 1: you saw it coming even before the draft and the

1164
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 1: meteor struck. You went two and nine. You had Mayfield

1165
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 1: second off the board would be four and nine if

1166
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 1: it was updated. But yeah, yeah, okay four and n

1167
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:53,520
Speaker 1: Isaiah winn gets drafted between twenty seven and thirty two.

1168
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 1: This was a double banger for Greg. And actually in

1169
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 1: the moment on Thursday night, Mark was trying to talk

1170
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:01,960
Speaker 1: to Greg. Greg kind of snapped at Mark and then

1171
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 1: took his laptop and went and finished his Not only

1172
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 1: did Isaiah wind go before not only did we Winden

1173
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:16,520
Speaker 1: go before that, he went to the Patriots and you

1174
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 1: wanted Lamar Jackson on top of it. Sorry, I understood

1175
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 1: why you got a little upset there. Mason Rudolph is

1176
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:27,480
Speaker 1: the six quarterbacks selected and gets picked before against drafted

1177
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:31,480
Speaker 1: before picked seven. He went in the second round. As

1178
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 1: we talked about to the Steelers. That cost you three sandwiches,

1179
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 1: and the Patriots draft a QB in round one. That

1180
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 1: did not happen. So according to the way you described

1181
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 1: these events, yeah, Greg is kind of a hipster when

1182
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 1: it comes to the Patriots draft class. He hated it

1183
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 1: before I did that. Well, you were upset about, uh,

1184
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 1: the quarterback Lamar Jackson in round one as upset as

1185
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 1: Gregg can get. Well, no, about the draft. I'm not

1186
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 1: trying to pretend I'm someone I'm not. I have never

1187
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 1: particularly gotten into the draft. That's a it's almost a

1188
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 1: guilty guilt guilty admission. According to you, neither do any

1189
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 1: NFL gms get into the draft. Uh. The old Zuser

1190
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:17,920
Speaker 1: six and two looking pretty good, the second quarterback drafted Mayfield.

1191
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 1: No Jets draft Mayfield, but only West took me up

1192
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 1: on that one. One of the big four qbs Alan

1193
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 1: Donald Mayfield a rose and gets drafted by a playoff team.

1194
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 1: Uh he did get drafted by the Bills, but nobody

1195
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 1: took me way to play it. You no like the

1196
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 1: smallest onions possible. It's fine at least one player from

1197
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 1: each position gets drafted in the first round. Uh no kicker,

1198
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 1: no punter. How about a did it well? Who took

1199
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 1: the fullback? Uh? No fullback either, dot in writing according

1200
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 1: to that, while the wording on the podcast if you

1201
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:54,200
Speaker 1: listen to the podcast fullback was I went through the

1202
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:56,000
Speaker 1: every boson't get salty with me, and I just I

1203
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:58,480
Speaker 1: want to check because I'm on the losing bracket here

1204
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 1: I saw. All I see in print is k slash P.

1205
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:03,720
Speaker 1: You can if I will go back and listen, if

1206
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:06,320
Speaker 1: you like, go back. I owe everyone in this room.

1207
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:10,439
Speaker 1: So let me just say and mark you Sandwich Aaron

1208
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:13,680
Speaker 1: spice Rack, welcome, welcome to go get my lunch. The

1209
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:15,640
Speaker 1: most sure bet and go get my lunch is the

1210
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:19,439
Speaker 1: newbie always loses. Lamar Jackson goes in the top ten.

1211
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:22,480
Speaker 1: He went number thirty two. Only Dan and Westcott sandwiches

1212
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:25,160
Speaker 1: off it though. Now my my point about go get

1213
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:27,480
Speaker 1: my lunch as we spin forward is this is the

1214
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:31,920
Speaker 1: end of the busy season for us. Finally, let's go

1215
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:35,680
Speaker 1: some sandwiches, some payouts. I have said now three times

1216
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 1: that I will be purchasing sich. I don't want to

1217
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:41,280
Speaker 1: hear say it. I want to say because I went

1218
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 1: fourteen and five last time, I don't get any but

1219
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 1: now I have to pay that out. No, no, no,

1220
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:49,360
Speaker 1: it's it's been go get my theoretical sandwich for like

1221
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 1: more than a year or two. I pretend otherwise, So

1222
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 1: why don't we change that? Well, there's no way to

1223
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:58,640
Speaker 1: do that. Yes, there's a whoos whom TABI four tiers page.

1224
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:02,960
Speaker 1: We can after it. Okay, I mean you're gonna get

1225
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:06,640
Speaker 1: a sandwich relatively? Are you aware that Colleen has the

1226
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:10,120
Speaker 1: highest percentage? And go get my lunch history. It's like,

1227
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:12,880
Speaker 1: it's just I guess it's a thorny. It's a thorny.

1228
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 1: It's kind of like trying to anyone because you owe

1229
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 1: like eight from the last time. So then it's like, well,

1230
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 1: how far back do you go? You could go back

1231
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:23,960
Speaker 1: years and years and what we could do. What we

1232
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 1: could do is just and this is great mark, This

1233
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:30,720
Speaker 1: shows how much I care for you wipe all what's owed,

1234
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:34,240
Speaker 1: but starting in season, get back on track with what

1235
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:36,919
Speaker 1: needs to be done here. Well, all right, I would say,

1236
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:39,640
Speaker 1: to be fair, I need to be buying the first

1237
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:42,520
Speaker 1: round and they need to be very good sandwiches, and

1238
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:45,800
Speaker 1: then you can wipe on me. I will not purchase

1239
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:51,320
Speaker 1: I will not be purchasing those never again. All right,

1240
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:52,880
Speaker 1: So there you go, go get my lunch dot org.

1241
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:56,480
Speaker 1: Nic Fortier does great work. Um Mark privately told me

1242
01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:59,880
Speaker 1: was surprised that this wasn't updated. I did not say

1243
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:03,080
Speaker 1: that Nick doesn't. That is that is a second unbelievable.

1244
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:04,720
Speaker 1: Wait a second, as I say that, I just did

1245
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:08,040
Speaker 1: a refresh and he has updated it. See look at

1246
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:11,200
Speaker 1: that total. So you are off Mark's radar that you

1247
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:12,920
Speaker 1: nor were you ever on it. But you can you

1248
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 1: know what, Let the narrative fly as it will. All right,

1249
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:18,480
Speaker 1: there we go and Greg three and nine, you got

1250
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:22,840
Speaker 1: a dub oh eight and four for me, short changed

1251
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 1: me eight and four, eight and four for west Nice.

1252
01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 1: That is that's a bounce back week, a bounce back

1253
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:30,960
Speaker 1: around five and six form Mark three and nine, Greg

1254
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:34,120
Speaker 1: seven to dead. All right, let's get Jeremy Bergman on

1255
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 1: the phone. I think by way of introduction, it should

1256
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 1: be known that Jeremy Bergman, in addition to being a

1257
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:45,240
Speaker 1: talented writer and all around good guy, also a former

1258
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:50,080
Speaker 1: child actor. Uh, start star start in the Will Ferrell

1259
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:54,280
Speaker 1: Mike Ditka vehicle Kicking and Screaming. Some would say the

1260
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:57,760
Speaker 1: lesser of two movies titled Kicking and Screaming, Greg and

1261
01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:00,080
Speaker 1: I would probably agree with that one. Uh, the a

1262
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:02,600
Speaker 1: bomb back version might be just a little bit more

1263
01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:04,480
Speaker 1: thought provoking. I always thought he was in the know.

1264
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:08,439
Speaker 1: But but that wouldn't make sense because Bergman wasn't born.

1265
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:10,240
Speaker 1: Probably one that, no, he would not have been in

1266
01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:13,440
Speaker 1: it makes ess I mean, I wouldn't put Kicking and

1267
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:17,360
Speaker 1: Screaming too high on the Will Ferrell power rankings. But

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Speaker 1: the fact that Burgo is in the film, by the way,

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Speaker 1: also in Station Agent, a film of some renown and uh,

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Speaker 1: Dudley do right, all right? So we will with Brandon Frasier.

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Speaker 1: Young Snidley was his role in Me and My My Buddies.

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Speaker 1: We talked about Brandon Frasier a lot, and we would

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Speaker 1: always say that Brandon Frasier was Hollywood's third choice always

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Speaker 1: for leading man. If you can't get this guy and

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Speaker 1: you can't get that guy. You get Brandon Fraser checks out.

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna talk to Jeremy Bergmann right now. Yeah, Jeremy,

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Speaker 1: you know we were talking about your IMDb real How

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01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:53,880
Speaker 1: you doing, buddy? What's up guys? First time, long time.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you running down my my previous accolades, any

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01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 1: Brandon Frasier stories. I do have a blown up picture

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01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:08,080
Speaker 1: of him in my bedroom. It is about yep. So

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Speaker 1: concerning all right, well, well maybe we'll circle back there

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01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 1: your Hollywood roots, but let's start with Burgo was sent

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01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:21,680
Speaker 1: by David Eally and the NFL news team downstairs to

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Speaker 1: Dallas to cover the draft. And I guess the question

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Speaker 1: that I have to start for to start us here, Burgo,

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Speaker 1: was what was the vibe in Dallas? Because Philly was

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01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:37,760
Speaker 1: on fire Chicago two years ago rave reviews. Did Dallas

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Speaker 1: have that same type of energy that feel that people

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01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:43,480
Speaker 1: would have a buzz about? I would say no. And

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Speaker 1: the real reason is because in Chicago and Philadelphia the

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Speaker 1: draft was held outside right in the middle of the

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Speaker 1: city pretty much Grant Park and then the Ben Franklin

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Speaker 1: Library or museum or whatever. This time it's held at

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Speaker 1: the Stadium in Arlington. So for the members of the media,

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Speaker 1: you have to go there every day. It's a thirty

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Speaker 1: minute Uber drive, and so the vibe is falling around

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01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:10,280
Speaker 1: the tailgate. But actually in the city you you couldn't

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Speaker 1: tell that there was a draft happening at all. Yeah.

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01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:15,400
Speaker 1: I always wondered, like the residents of Arlington, how annoyed

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01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:18,760
Speaker 1: they get when they're just called like a totally different city, Dallas,

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01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:21,600
Speaker 1: Like throughout the entire day they're like, wait a second,

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01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:26,040
Speaker 1: are aren't we people? Don't we count? Remember We're not Dallas.

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01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:28,640
Speaker 1: Any beat on that? Bergman, There was also Irving, if

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01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:31,480
Speaker 1: you remember the old Dallas. Irving was getting popped with

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01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:35,120
Speaker 1: that Dallas heat too. Your thoughts on that, Jeremy, I

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01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:37,000
Speaker 1: did not talk to any of the residents of Irving

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01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:42,720
Speaker 1: to see how they felt about the swipe that Dallas

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01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:45,320
Speaker 1: has taken at them, Bergman. I know early in your

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01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:48,360
Speaker 1: run there in Dallas that I texted you um along

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01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:52,080
Speaker 1: with uh you know sometime producer of this show, Erica

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01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:55,360
Speaker 1: tam Posey, who is by by all accounts running wild

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01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:59,680
Speaker 1: in Dallas. Judging by her tweets, she's basically a debutante. Yeah,

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01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:01,360
Speaker 1: I'm not. It's not clear to me what either of

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01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:03,360
Speaker 1: you are doing in terms of actual work. But have

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01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:06,240
Speaker 1: you been able at night to get out and around Dallas,

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01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:08,680
Speaker 1: either with or without Erica? What is the vibe of

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01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:11,200
Speaker 1: the nightlife. I know that your ships don't begin until

1319
01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:12,920
Speaker 1: very late in the day, so you can sleep in.

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Speaker 1: How have you been attacking the scene? Well, I don't

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01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:19,160
Speaker 1: want to disappoint you. The one you saw in the

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01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:22,200
Speaker 1: group message when you introduced us to each other. Um

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01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:24,800
Speaker 1: she said that she had plans when I asked, oh,

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01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:26,920
Speaker 1: do you want to get dinner? So we didn't get

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01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:30,040
Speaker 1: to go out that night. She was out with Emma

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01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:33,599
Speaker 1: and the important people like Colleen and whatnot. And then

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01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:37,559
Speaker 1: we did share an uber to the stadium the other day.

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Speaker 1: But I have not seen her. She's been doing stuff

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Speaker 1: with check. The nightlife in Dallas has been quiet. Tonight

1330
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:44,200
Speaker 1: is the night I think we're all going to go

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01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:48,200
Speaker 1: out because there's nothing going on Tomorrow. Nice steak dinner,

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01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:51,200
Speaker 1: a couple of uptown bars, and we'll see what's happened.

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Speaker 1: What about um Burgo? As I cycled through your IMDb, uh,

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01:08:56,920 --> 01:09:01,760
Speaker 1: you start in a project called ray Is in raising Wayland,

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01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:05,559
Speaker 1: working with the great incomparable Doris Roberts who passed away

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01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:08,600
Speaker 1: last year. Dorris Roberts of Everybody Loves Raymond Fame l

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01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:11,360
Speaker 1: I t yeah your thoughts and working with Doris Roberts

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01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:14,680
Speaker 1: all those years ago to a little bit of you know,

1339
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:19,000
Speaker 1: a drama queen little Uh yeah, Buds Burner, give us

1340
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:22,320
Speaker 1: the Blowtorge keep in an old age. I mean, you know,

1341
01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:25,320
Speaker 1: we shot this movie in New Zealand, you know, and

1342
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:28,800
Speaker 1: so the three stars where Thomas Gibson, Poppy Montgomery and

1343
01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:30,920
Speaker 1: Dorris Roberts, they were all pretty much owned like the

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01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:34,439
Speaker 1: studio system by CBS, and so for this TV movie,

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01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:36,479
Speaker 1: they just sent them all to the other side of

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01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:38,640
Speaker 1: the earth. And I don't think that Dorris Roberts was

1347
01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:45,519
Speaker 1: down with it. Fascinating. Normally, yeah, normally they softened their

1348
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:49,080
Speaker 1: criticism after someone passes away about Bergman. Bergman still got

1349
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:52,679
Speaker 1: those sharp elbows, treating Doris Roberts like Hunter S. Thompson

1350
01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:57,280
Speaker 1: did Nixon Burgo you are you are like me from

1351
01:09:57,400 --> 01:10:01,120
Speaker 1: the New York, New Jersey area, and um a big

1352
01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:04,160
Speaker 1: Jets fan. Uh, what is the vibe of a lot

1353
01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:12,759
Speaker 1: of Jet fans? They're like, what was the Sam Donald vibe? Around, uh, Dallas, Irving, Arlington, Irving,

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01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:16,280
Speaker 1: fort Worth, everywhere. Uh there was a sizeable jet contingent

1355
01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:19,160
Speaker 1: here in the stands and also in that fans section

1356
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:22,439
Speaker 1: in the middle. Um, they were very excited, obviously. I

1357
01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:25,920
Speaker 1: mean nobody expected Donald even the night before to drop

1358
01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:29,120
Speaker 1: to three. And so, you know, I was a little

1359
01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:31,920
Speaker 1: nervous after he got drafted, because when you put on

1360
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:33,960
Speaker 1: the jets at you immediately think, oh, this is gonna

1361
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:37,800
Speaker 1: go terribly wrong. Something's amiss here. He's he's not excited,

1362
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:39,560
Speaker 1: you know, maybe he doesn't want to be there. But

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01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:42,640
Speaker 1: then the introductory press conference yesterday, you know, he's just

1364
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:45,840
Speaker 1: he's playing a cool like ELI And UM, I'm getting

1365
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:49,880
Speaker 1: the sense from my friends, my family. My grandma texted me.

1366
01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:52,920
Speaker 1: She says, let's just hope now that Sam doesn't suck.

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01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:56,000
Speaker 1: That's pretty much it. I think. I think we're very

1368
01:10:56,040 --> 01:10:58,040
Speaker 1: happy with the person. It's just how is he going

1369
01:10:58,080 --> 01:11:00,280
Speaker 1: to play on the field so we feel you know,

1370
01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:02,000
Speaker 1: you feel like you've got somebody for like the next

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01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:04,200
Speaker 1: fifteen years. It does. That's a great feeling. And we'll

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Speaker 1: talk about that when you get back here. Besides the

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01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:10,400
Speaker 1: Cowboys fans, of course, what fan base was most represented. Um.

1374
01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:13,719
Speaker 1: I would say the Raiders and the Niners in the rams.

1375
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:16,479
Speaker 1: I think those are all within driving distance for the

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01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:19,880
Speaker 1: most part, and they're usually the loudest. Um. The Bills

1377
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:22,760
Speaker 1: mafia in the lower right. Colleen Wolf was having a

1378
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:24,800
Speaker 1: great time with the Bills mafia, And same with the

1379
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:27,640
Speaker 1: Eagles fans because they were uh taunt and all the

1380
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:30,120
Speaker 1: Cowboys fans about the Super Bowl win. But for the

1381
01:11:30,160 --> 01:11:32,360
Speaker 1: most part, it was pretty evenly spread out. I saw

1382
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:34,280
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if you you check my Twitter feed,

1383
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:37,240
Speaker 1: there's a picture of a young gentleman wearing a Tom

1384
01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:44,599
Speaker 1: Savage Houston, Texas jersey. He Savage is real that the draft.

1385
01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:47,519
Speaker 1: Did any player interaction stand out? Because you've been there

1386
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:49,760
Speaker 1: all week and you talk to the players leading up

1387
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:51,320
Speaker 1: to the draft, you were there for some of the

1388
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:56,240
Speaker 1: press conferences after they were drafted. Any any standout performances

1389
01:11:56,400 --> 01:11:59,800
Speaker 1: or takeaways from those guys. Well, I appreciate that I

1390
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:02,920
Speaker 1: got to talk to all the quarterbacks on the day before. Uh.

1391
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:04,360
Speaker 1: They all seemed to be in a pretty good mood.

1392
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:07,880
Speaker 1: They all acted like they were friends. Mayfield wasn't there obviously, Um,

1393
01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:10,120
Speaker 1: but the person I guess you stood out the most

1394
01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:12,719
Speaker 1: positively was Roquan Smith. I think the Bears are getting

1395
01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:17,280
Speaker 1: a really professional, you know, life loving guy and Roquan Smith.

1396
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:20,000
Speaker 1: I did get also get to talk to Darius Geiss

1397
01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:23,000
Speaker 1: the day before and I had to bring up to

1398
01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:27,240
Speaker 1: him the report from Tom tell Sara about him being

1399
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:31,040
Speaker 1: considered you know, over emotional or um, you know, hard,

1400
01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:35,120
Speaker 1: hard to hard to deal with. And he basically said,

1401
01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:37,400
Speaker 1: you know, this is all put out by media reports.

1402
01:12:37,439 --> 01:12:39,280
Speaker 1: I don't know who's putting this out. Somebody wants me

1403
01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:41,160
Speaker 1: to drop to them and he said, I'm not going

1404
01:12:41,200 --> 01:12:43,320
Speaker 1: to change who I am. This is who I am.

1405
01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:46,439
Speaker 1: And uh, I think we saw the result of that

1406
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:50,240
Speaker 1: when he fell to fifty something to the Redskins. So um,

1407
01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:53,120
Speaker 1: it was interesting to watch that in real time and

1408
01:12:53,200 --> 01:12:55,680
Speaker 1: having an opportunity to talk to him beforehand. Bergman, that's

1409
01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:57,880
Speaker 1: very professionally said what it's a quick two part. I

1410
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:01,080
Speaker 1: know that you were huddled throughout the weekend with Mike Mayock.

1411
01:13:01,160 --> 01:13:03,559
Speaker 1: Do you feel after spending uh in a in ordered

1412
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:05,920
Speaker 1: amount of time with him, if you were to see him, uh,

1413
01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:07,560
Speaker 1: you know two months from now on the street, A

1414
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:11,680
Speaker 1: would he remember your name? Uh? Second question is this

1415
01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:14,400
Speaker 1: is a second career for you as a journalist, A

1416
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:18,120
Speaker 1: decisive win over NFL Media's Nick Shook for you to

1417
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:20,800
Speaker 1: be sent while Nick is left back in l a

1418
01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:25,240
Speaker 1: basically staring at a computer screen. Yeah, all your muscles help.

1419
01:13:25,479 --> 01:13:28,439
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take your your second question first there. Um,

1420
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:30,880
Speaker 1: it is a decisive victory. Although Nick got to hang

1421
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:33,680
Speaker 1: with you guys at the combine, so I kind of

1422
01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:35,640
Speaker 1: missed out there. So it was kind of like a

1423
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:41,280
Speaker 1: one for one deal. Okay, you know they're they're pretty mayock.

1424
01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:43,880
Speaker 1: I've spent a combined actually five minutes with him at

1425
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:46,080
Speaker 1: the end of both rounds. He did not want to

1426
01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:49,520
Speaker 1: be with me either time, and I had to paraphrase

1427
01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:51,920
Speaker 1: much of what he told me because he was in

1428
01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:57,320
Speaker 1: a rush. Jeremy Berg when I like him. I have

1429
01:13:57,439 --> 01:14:01,840
Speaker 1: one question before we leave here, Uh the draft, COGNESCENTI

1430
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:06,560
Speaker 1: who are there? Are they more a guest at the Patriots?

1431
01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:10,920
Speaker 1: Um hit and miss in this draft or at Greg's

1432
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:15,040
Speaker 1: performance and go get my lunch? That's fair question? The draft?

1433
01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:18,439
Speaker 1: Talking of SENTI meaning mayok in Jeremiah, just like everybody there,

1434
01:14:18,439 --> 01:14:23,400
Speaker 1: who's important? Have they been talking about Greg's performance? Um?

1435
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:26,200
Speaker 1: I haven't heard. I don't mean to you know, Dreg

1436
01:14:26,360 --> 01:14:29,720
Speaker 1: this way, I haven't heard your name. That's good. They

1437
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:33,479
Speaker 1: don't think about me at all. Um, all right, burgo

1438
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:35,680
Speaker 1: you you came in here and you said it all

1439
01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:40,759
Speaker 1: and um. Yes, Kicking and Screaming is available on streaming

1440
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:46,160
Speaker 1: formats where you can see Jeremy Bergman starring as Hunter. Uh.

1441
01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:52,360
Speaker 1: And you worked with a great Kate Walsh. Your memories. Yeah,

1442
01:14:52,439 --> 01:14:56,760
Speaker 1: but Kate Walsh, your memories of working with Kate? Um?

1443
01:14:58,200 --> 01:15:03,680
Speaker 1: All right. Robert Duval, Bobby Duval. Robert Duval actually had

1444
01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:08,880
Speaker 1: a temper tantrum on the set and screaming. Uh. Yeah,

1445
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:12,240
Speaker 1: called his agent said it was a Mickey Mouse movie.

1446
01:15:14,439 --> 01:15:16,519
Speaker 1: Val was kicking and screaming on the set of Kicking

1447
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:21,439
Speaker 1: and Screaming. It was very Metackey Mouse movie. What did

1448
01:15:21,479 --> 01:15:23,360
Speaker 1: you think it was? What about Dica? He was in

1449
01:15:23,439 --> 01:15:26,600
Speaker 1: that too, Dica, wasn't it he? Uh? He gave me

1450
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:29,240
Speaker 1: mess about the Jets when I told him that I

1451
01:15:29,320 --> 01:15:32,240
Speaker 1: was a supporter of the Jets. Um, well, did you

1452
01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:37,160
Speaker 1: say anything about the before? That was before Sunday NFL

1453
01:15:37,200 --> 01:15:39,640
Speaker 1: countdown fame. So I I like to consider myself the

1454
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:43,880
Speaker 1: launching pad forget Goos on camera career by the wait

1455
01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:46,360
Speaker 1: Bergman is seven year run on Law and Order Special

1456
01:15:46,479 --> 01:15:50,479
Speaker 1: Victims Unit. That that isntcorrect. That is seven years between

1457
01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:56,679
Speaker 1: two appearances, completely unrelated. I feel like at some point,

1458
01:15:56,760 --> 01:15:59,760
Speaker 1: if you were ever an actor on any level, whether

1459
01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:02,799
Speaker 1: it's high school theater, you actually make it to Hollywood,

1460
01:16:02,840 --> 01:16:05,479
Speaker 1: you you find success the way Jeremy did, you will

1461
01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:08,400
Speaker 1: do at least a two episode arc and Law. It's

1462
01:16:08,439 --> 01:16:11,960
Speaker 1: it's requisite. All right, Jeremy, good job, get home safely

1463
01:16:12,200 --> 01:16:17,320
Speaker 1: and uh go jets all right, there he goes, and

1464
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:21,679
Speaker 1: that's it. That's it for the the draft, the second Draft,

1465
01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:25,640
Speaker 1: the second final draft edition of the Around the NFL podcast,

1466
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:31,559
Speaker 1: and with it mark the end of the season, hardly

1467
01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:34,400
Speaker 1: siling into mini camp, like four days from now, you're

1468
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:37,639
Speaker 1: heading your head into Mexico, little piggies in the sand,

1469
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:44,599
Speaker 1: a white creamy drink in your hand and cherry dropped

1470
01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:47,000
Speaker 1: right in it, and here you are buying high the

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01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:49,200
Speaker 1: Sessler family. I don't know if I'm breaking news here

1472
01:16:49,240 --> 01:16:51,920
Speaker 1: to you, Dan is a paycheck to paycheck operation. There

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Speaker 1: will be no Mexican vacations or really anywhere else you

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01:16:56,920 --> 01:17:00,280
Speaker 1: are known to get away. So that was that is

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01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:03,080
Speaker 1: that was a true narrative some years ago. It is.

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01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:06,640
Speaker 1: It is a fade every year ago. Hitchhikers in your

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01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:09,439
Speaker 1: immediate future. No, I mean I don't have a car

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01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:13,240
Speaker 1: right now, so I told you paycheck to I will

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01:17:13,240 --> 01:17:16,960
Speaker 1: be hitchhiking. So no cessler solo joints as of now.

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01:17:17,080 --> 01:17:21,360
Speaker 1: None a pair of stations. It's good. I will I

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01:17:21,479 --> 01:17:23,960
Speaker 1: will help pay for it if you go to Mexico

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01:17:24,200 --> 01:17:27,080
Speaker 1: where now your word little beginnings together. I was trying

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01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:28,720
Speaker 1: to think what the name of the beverages. I was

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01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 1: calling it a frosty white, like a white Russian unrewarded

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01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:38,200
Speaker 1: peanut colada. Thank you all right, We will be back

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01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:40,680
Speaker 1: on Monday. No rest for the weird. We've got three

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01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:44,160
Speaker 1: shows coming up next week, so make sure you tune

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01:17:44,160 --> 01:17:47,000
Speaker 1: in for that. Until then, was Dan Hanson signing off

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01:17:47,040 --> 01:17:50,120
Speaker 1: for a Quiet Storm, The Malman, the Old Boss, and

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01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:58,479
Speaker 1: Lindsay Fulton behind the Glass till Monday.