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Speaker 1: Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain.

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Speaker 2: Where we know y'all heard the shout out to the

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Speaker 2: shy from Penn State coach Katie Schumacher Cally after her

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Speaker 2: team's NC Double A volleyball title win Chicago Stand Up.

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Speaker 2: It's Tuesday, December twenty fourth, and on today's show, we'll

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Speaker 2: be bringing you the first annual slices our Good Game

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Speaker 2: End of the Year awards and calling on you to

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Speaker 2: vote for the winners. Plus a tribute to those who

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Speaker 2: have left us, a conversation with professor and author Jane

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Speaker 2: McManus about the best sports writing of twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 2: and a reminder to delight and comfort in the small things.

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Speaker 1: It's all coming up right after this welcome back. Here's

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Speaker 1: what you need to know today.

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Speaker 2: Penn State won the NC DOUBLEA Volleyball Championship on Sunday,

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Speaker 2: defeating Louisville three sets to one. And here's a crazy stat.

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Speaker 2: In leading her team to victory, Penn State coach Katie

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Speaker 2: Schumacher Cally became the first woman head coach to win

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Speaker 2: a national title since the NC DOUAA tournament began in

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Speaker 2: nineteen eighty one.

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Speaker 1: Yep, that's right.

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Speaker 2: The previous forty three titles were all one with men

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Speaker 1: Schumacher.

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Speaker 2: Cawley was diagnosed with breast cancer in September and said

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Speaker 2: she was inspired this season by the young children she's

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Speaker 2: seen who are also dealing with cancer. Sunday's match also

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Speaker 2: set an NCAA Volleyball Championship attendance record, with a sellout

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Speaker 2: crowd of twenty one thousand, eight hundred and sixty filling

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Speaker 2: the KFC Young Center in downtown Louisville. Shout out to

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Speaker 2: Donny Peaks Picks one and the Governor MFB thirteen for

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Speaker 2: tying for first in our Volleyball Bracket Challenge. Producer Alex

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Speaker 2: In Pro Hoops news, the Dallas Wings have hired USC

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Speaker 2: assistant Chris Coclanis as the franchise's new head coach. Cole Clanis,

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Speaker 2: who's in his second season on Lindsay Gottliebs staff at USC,

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Speaker 2: may not be the most recognizable name, but he's bringing

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Speaker 2: plenty of experience to the role. He spent eight seasons

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Speaker 2: working under Kurt Miller with the Connecticut Sun and the

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Speaker 1: Defensive side of the ball.

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Speaker 2: Koklanis has stepping in after the Wings fired Letricia Trammel

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Speaker 2: back in October. She amassed a thirty one and forty

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Speaker 2: since twenty twenty. The Wings hold the number one pick

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Speaker 2: in the twenty twenty five WNBA draft. Remember, they're hoping

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Speaker 2: that pick, along with this hire and moves in other

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Speaker 2: into the franchise. Asmore WNBA coaching news, the Washington Mystics

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Speaker 2: The duel will take over for Eric Tebow and Mark Tebow,

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Speaker 2: who were both fired in October. Washington Mystics wentches fourteen

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Speaker 2: Elsewhere in Pro hoops news, Sabrina Yonescu is Unrivaled the

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Speaker 2: New York Liberty Guard and twenty twenty four WNBA. Champ

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Speaker 2: member of the fan To Basketball Club alongside her former

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Speaker 2: Oregon teammate Satusabai. More Unrivaled news, the league announced its

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Speaker 2: me here. It's a three team deal. The Laces Basketball

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Speaker 2: and the league's final wildcard spot, later announced as Sabrina

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Speaker 2: Young and Tiffany Hayes. Oh One note here ahead of

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Speaker 2: the inaugural Unrivaled season, which tips off on January seventeenth

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Speaker 2: In fact, we'll be kicking off twenty twenty five, with

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Speaker 2: for that to the p WHL on Saturday night, Laura

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Speaker 2: Stacy's breakaway goal fifteen seconds into overtime gave the p

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Speaker 1: To college hoops.

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Speaker 2: In one of the most anticipated regular season games of

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Speaker 2: presser by saying, quote, just to be clear that game

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Speaker 2: The seven and six unranked Bulls led by as many

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Speaker 2: three early in the fourth quarter, but South Florida's Sammy

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Speaker 1: To Alpine skiing Lindsay Vaughn.

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Speaker 2: Made her first World Cup start since ending her nearly

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Speaker 2: Cornelia Hooter won the race, finish in one point one

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Speaker 1: The inaugural slices stick around. Welcome back everybody.

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Speaker 2: It's time for the Slices, the first annual Good Game

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Speaker 2: with Sarah Spain Awards, which celebrate success, style and stumbles

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Speaker 2: in women's sports. Here's how it works for each category. Misha,

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Speaker 2: Alex and I have nominated one honoree, but it is

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Speaker 2: up to you our slices to determine the final winner.

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Speaker 2: We've included a Google form in the show notes and

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Speaker 2: First up, drum roll please the Brandy Chastain Sports Brass

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Speaker 2: Seen Around the World Award for the Sports Moment of

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Speaker 2: the Year. My nominee the US women's national team returning

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Speaker 2: us women's soccer back on top. What you got, Mish,

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Speaker 3: Give it to the New York Liberty getting its first

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Speaker 3: and for the City Alex.

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Speaker 4: I am going with the pwhll. It's hard to believe

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Speaker 4: that the first puck trop was on January first, and

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Speaker 4: so seeing Kendall Coointschofield, who is instrumental in getting this

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Speaker 1: So good, so good. Okay.

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Speaker 2: The Billy Goat Award spelled b I L l I E, named,

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Speaker 2: of course for Billy Jean King and Goats new and old.

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Speaker 2: This is our Athlete of the Year award, and I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna go with the Queen of the first thousand point

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Speaker 1: Who you got me?

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Speaker 3: I gotta give mine to Sydney McLaughlin Lavroni, who smashed

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Speaker 5: You know what I'm gonna run. She's just incredible.

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Speaker 1: Alex, here you got.

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Speaker 4: I'm going with someone biled because I don't think you

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Speaker 4: cannot pick Simone Biles when Simone Biles is in the running.

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Speaker 4: And she came back as an event specialist, but also

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Speaker 4: to make sure that we never take for granted that

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Speaker 4: living in the age of Simone Biles is a great

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Speaker 4: time to be alive.

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Speaker 2: Up next our very unseerious Sid Colson Award for Excellence

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Speaker 2: in Social Media Trolling. You of course know face of

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Speaker 2: of the Las Vegas Aces, who excels in every way

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Speaker 1: So who was serving it up best on social media?

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Speaker 2: I'm going with the Parisians behind the eyes shit in

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Speaker 2: the sin On June twenty third viral campaign, they encouraged

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Speaker 2: a mass defecation into the famed Parisian River just before

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Speaker 2: French President Emmanuel Macron and Paris mayor and Hidalgo were

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Speaker 2: a spoiler eco lie, just an incredible campaign.

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Speaker 1: Misha definitely enjoyed that.

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Speaker 3: I also enjoyed the lesbians in a tizzy this whole

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Speaker 3: WNBA season behind Dja Carrington and Melyssa Smith. Everybody wanted

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Speaker 1: Are they not?

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Speaker 3: Are they the cutest couple in the league? Are they

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Speaker 3: secretly hating each other? And I just love the way

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Speaker 3: they continued to stoke the flame, stoke the coals and

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Speaker 3: the fire, posting videos with the dog without each other

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Speaker 5: It was peak peak entertainment.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, hoops and gay shit. They ruled that Alex all right.

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Speaker 4: Just like Marta won the inaugural Marta Award, I am

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Speaker 4: giving the inaugural Sid Coulson Award to Sid Coulson, and

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Speaker 4: I am picking the moment when after Kathy Engelbert showed

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Speaker 4: up to the WNBA Finals wearing a New York themed dress,

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Speaker 4: Sid Coulson made sure that she went to the department

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Speaker 4: store and tried that thing on herself and it was just.

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Speaker 2: Perfect, Yeah, perfect, perfect host of the photo and everything

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Speaker 2: so good. Our next award is the Justin Brown Everybody

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Speaker 2: Watches Women's Sports Marketing Moment of the Year. Now, this

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Speaker 2: is our award for the best women's sports campaign or

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Speaker 2: conceit and this is in honor of former TOGETHER VP

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Speaker 2: of Creative Development and Talent Relations, Justine Brown, also former

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Speaker 4: I'm going with the WNBAS Welcome to the w commercial

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Speaker 2: If you remember, during a Chelsea Juventus Champions League match,

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Speaker 3: I know my profile looks like a ghost town right now,

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Speaker 2: And if you haven't seen any of these videos, we've

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Speaker 2: award the Serena Williams Cat Suit Award for best Fit

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Speaker 2: I could not push it away was Kelsey Plum's leather

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Speaker 2: cattie glasses. She wore on the Aces Ring night. It

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Speaker 2: in there and it was giving. I can't believe Darren

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Speaker 1: That fit went off means what you got so rue. Ah.

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Speaker 5: I gotta give some love to Courtney Williams.

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Speaker 3: Back in September, she put together this all black leather

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Speaker 3: Like her Keina, Charles Tiffany, There's just a immaculate.

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Speaker 5: Style, Alex.

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Speaker 4: I'm going with light T shirt, Ashes says. Back when

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Speaker 2: And it sure worked for her at least, maybe not

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Speaker 2: the team, but for her. The Minnesota Links Black T

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Speaker 2: and public outcry, and this award honors someone who has

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Speaker 2: I'm going to go with Olympic runner Nicki Hilts, using

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Speaker 5: And speaking out about the genocide. So hats off to

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Speaker 1: Alex, who you got?

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Speaker 2: Up next the Megan Rappino I've yieaded my achilles in

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Speaker 2: It is truly legendary stuff to tear your ACL as

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Speaker 1: Just so good mesh, how about you?

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Speaker 3: That's taking me out, So my nominee, it might be

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Speaker 3: too soon. It might be too soon, But Louisville's star

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Speaker 1: Yeah, on a whole other level, Alex, here you got.

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Speaker 1: Brutal stuff.

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Speaker 2: Our final award the Bobby Riggs Biggest Jackass of the

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Speaker 2: so in honor of legendary Chauven's pig Bobby Riggs, this

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Speaker 2: on to win it all, and despite many good things

437
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Speaker 2: happen afterwards from folks who did want to support her

438
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Speaker 2: and her success during that time, I just can't imagine

439
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Speaker 2: what she was going through and it made me extremely angry.

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Speaker 1: Means, what about you.

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Speaker 3: Oh, this should come as no surprise to anyone, but

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Speaker 3: I gotta go with the absolutely unhinged, unjust couth discourse

443
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Speaker 3: around the WNBA and especially during the rise of Caitlin

444
00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:25,080
Speaker 3: Clark her Wookie year, all the attention was taken away

445
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Speaker 3: from the excellent product that was happening on the basketball

446
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Speaker 3: court because people wanted to be racist, especially that lady

447
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Speaker 3: who had the nails was trying to mock Dje Caring.

448
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Speaker 3: That's really ground my gears. But yeah, anybody who had

449
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Speaker 3: anything negative to say and wasn't pouring into the wonderful

450
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Speaker 3: discourse about how awesome of a season she had in

451
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Speaker 3: the WNBA had and former stars have had to lead

452
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Speaker 3: us to this moment.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, big fuck you.

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Speaker 1: Agreed on that one, Alex, I'm.

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Speaker 4: Going with Riley Gaines. I know she can fit under

456
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Speaker 4: that Transfobe umbrella, but feels like she's just brought things

457
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Speaker 4: to a whole different level, the fact that she took

458
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Speaker 4: finishing fifth in an NCAA race and has made her

459
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Speaker 4: entire career about that one thing, and how she can

460
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Speaker 4: make life worse for trans people as part of it.

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Speaker 1: Agreed.

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Speaker 2: I almost want to bleep out her name and not

463
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Speaker 2: give her credit, but I guess for those who don't

464
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Speaker 2: know Kurr And now you know, all right, you get

465
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Speaker 2: to vote on all of these slices. We'll include a

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Speaker 2: link to vote in the show notes, so make your

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Speaker 2: voice heard. And of course, while we're looking back on

468
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, we can't forget those who left us too. Yep,

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Speaker 2: it's time for the twenty twenty four Good Game with

470
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Speaker 2: Sarah Spain in memoriam for people who aren't actually dead

471
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Speaker 2: but literally killed us by stepping away from sport.

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Speaker 1: Now, this is not an exhaustive list.

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Speaker 2: This is just the folks who killed us with their

474
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Speaker 2: retirement announcements.

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Speaker 1: What's that phrase? Put it on a gravestone.

476
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Speaker 2: Well, if we were in charge of carving the granite

477
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Speaker 2: markers for the gravestones of these athletes careers, here's what

478
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Speaker 2: we would write.

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Speaker 1: Music. Please, Sam Ewis still having an okay time.

480
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Speaker 2: Candice Parker, good luck pushing me out of the record books.

481
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Speaker 2: Kelly O'Hara led the league in laughs, provided Shaneade fairly.

482
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Speaker 1: Because you knew me. The league is changed for good.

483
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Speaker 2: Christine Sinclair, I wasn't afraid to block my enemies. Lesia

484
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Speaker 2: Clarendon left on top without their top wink Merritt Matthias,

485
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Speaker 2: I came, I saw, I shipped up.

486
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Speaker 1: Alex Morgan. Oh wait, this one's just a QR code.

487
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Speaker 1: One second. Hold on, let me skip.

488
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Speaker 2: Becky Souerbrun remembered but not missed. If you know you

489
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Speaker 2: know Ray Gun the breakdancer, Olympic sized meme. Lord Sky Guy,

490
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Speaker 2: the Chicago Sky's former mascot. I know you didn't like me,

491
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Speaker 2: but I loved you. Simone Biles, your Chenko double pike

492
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Speaker 2: the only skill to get its own funeral. And by

493
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Speaker 2: the way, speaking to Simone, she's one of a couple

494
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Speaker 2: folks whose stones we've kind of started carving, but we're

495
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Speaker 2: not sure if we're gonna need him this year. Now

496
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Speaker 2: hers reads what music Please, waiting for y'all to just

497
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Speaker 2: rename the whole sport the Biles and also Diana Tarassi, bitch,

498
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Speaker 2: did I say I was retiring? I'll see you in

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Speaker 2: the hotel lobby. There are also a few gravestones were

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Speaker 2: taking out of the ground, like Lindsay Vaughn, Lauren Jackson,

501
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Speaker 2: and Tiffany Hayes, who all unretired.

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Speaker 1: There's all just say psych to all of you who

503
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Speaker 1: literally killed us by announcing your retirement. Thank you very little.

504
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Speaker 1: We got to take another break.

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Speaker 2: When we come back, we give you some reading recommendations

506
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Speaker 2: to take into twenty twenty five with Jane McManus.

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Speaker 1: Joining me now.

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Speaker 2: She's the editor of the Year's Best Sports Writing twenty

509
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Speaker 2: twenty four and NYU professor and author of the upcoming

510
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Speaker 2: book The Fast Track Inside the Surging Business of Women's Sports.

511
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Speaker 2: She's one third of the greatest ESPN radio show that's

512
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Speaker 2: ever existed, The Trifecta.

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Speaker 1: She was on House Hunters.

514
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Speaker 2: International, and she got thrown in the drunk tank at

515
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Speaker 2: an NWA concert and couldn't go to the after party.

516
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Speaker 1: Easy E invited her too. It's Jane McManus.

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Speaker 6: Wow, all my titles and a skeleton. Really well done intro.

518
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Speaker 2: Honestly, one of my all time favorite stories is you

519
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Speaker 2: driving across multiple states to go to NWA, easy inviting

520
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Speaker 2: you to a party and you not making it to

521
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Speaker 2: the end of the show before getting thrown in the

522
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Speaker 2: drunk tank and therefore missing your opportunity to party with end.

523
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Speaker 6: Yeah, Kansas City cops were not letting me back there.

524
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Speaker 6: That's that's just the way it was going to go.

525
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Speaker 1: I think it's for the best team.

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Speaker 7: Okay, it may have worked out. O, you.

527
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Speaker 1: Know, it might have worked out.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we are going to do a Trifector reunion in

529
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five on this show. You and Kate Fagan

530
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Speaker 2: and I will be reunited on this show. But for now,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to take this quickie with you while we

532
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Speaker 2: coordinate to get all three of us in the same

533
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Speaker 2: place at the same time. And you are here to

534
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Speaker 2: give us a couple of great things to read over

535
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Speaker 2: this holiday break. We need some good material for when

536
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Speaker 2: we're lounging on the couch at our parents' place. Or

537
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Speaker 2: maybe driving to and fro for the holidays, for dinners

538
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Speaker 2: and celebrations, sitting in the backseat board, maybe just when

539
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Speaker 2: we're chilling in bed, welcoming in the new year with

540
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Speaker 2: some R and R. And you edited the Year's Best

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Speaker 2: Sports Writing twenty twenty four anthology, which means you have

542
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Speaker 2: a beat on some of the best stories from female

543
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Speaker 2: authors or about women's sports that we can find.

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Speaker 1: So give us a couple of good ones.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, well, thanks for that, Sarah.

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Speaker 6: I didn't set out to put more women as authors

547
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Speaker 6: or as athletes into the volume, but when I started

548
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Speaker 6: reading what had been, you know, written and published in

549
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Speaker 6: twenty twenty three, it was just apparent to me that

550
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Speaker 6: there was a lot of really good writing that that

551
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Speaker 6: was kind of being elevated. And it totally makes sense

552
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Speaker 6: in this moment that you would find more of these stories.

553
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Speaker 6: But the cream of the crop is Sally Jenkins piece

554
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Speaker 6: on Chris Evert and Martina Neverchelova going through cancer together

555
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Speaker 6: and this was a multimedia treatment in the Washington Post,

556
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Speaker 6: and the way that she describes their relationship, it is

557
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Speaker 6: definitely Sally Jenkins as the third character in the story.

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Speaker 6: She has so much depth and she goes back so

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Speaker 6: far with these two athletes. I think it just speaks

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Speaker 6: to a lot of things, you know, in our business

561
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Speaker 6: right now, as like there are few and fewer outlets

562
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Speaker 6: doing less and less long form. The ability for somebody

563
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Speaker 6: who has had a lifetime, you know, in this space

564
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Speaker 6: as a sports writer, being able to write about these

565
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Speaker 6: two women. You know, it's just so compelling. And I

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Speaker 6: you know, that story led the Washington Post, which I

567
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Speaker 6: think goes to speak to how important good sports writing is.

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Speaker 1: Also that one.

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Speaker 2: I think what's fascinating about it is it not only

570
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Speaker 2: gives us this look at these to athletes who are

571
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Speaker 2: competitors for so long, but knew each other for so

572
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Speaker 2: long that then when they experienced this traumatic thing, they

573
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Speaker 2: came together around it instead of still being you know,

574
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Speaker 2: in opposition. But also you know, there's some complicated nuances

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Speaker 2: to both of those people in the current time, in

576
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Speaker 2: this current time, as we're trying to deal with trans

577
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Speaker 2: athletes and inclusion, to have these pillars of women's sports,

578
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Speaker 2: and to be complicated in our feelings about how they're

579
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Speaker 2: using their platform post retirement, and so they have this

580
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Speaker 2: traumatic event, there's so much empathy and sympathy there and

581
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Speaker 2: also at times very frustrated to see, you know, support

582
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Speaker 2: for banning trans athletes and you know, not allowing that

583
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Speaker 2: inclusion that we wish that they would be on the

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Speaker 2: forefront of.

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Speaker 6: And you know, Sally Jenkins actually wrote a column just

586
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Speaker 6: a couple of weeks ago about this very issue, arguing

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Speaker 6: for more inclusion in sports, which is I think, you know,

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Speaker 6: I don't want to speak for you, but it's certainly

589
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Speaker 6: where I think, you know, we should live a little

590
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Speaker 6: bit more. Is thinking about like how are we including people?

591
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Speaker 6: Do we have to exclude? Is it always the case

592
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Speaker 6: at every single level?

593
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Speaker 7: Do we have to.

594
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Speaker 6: Adopt the language of the final in the Olympics? You know,

595
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Speaker 6: but in an individual sport to you know, ASO soccer,

596
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Speaker 6: does that make sense? And I think, you know, I

597
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Speaker 6: think thinking about this in a multi layered way, You're right.

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Speaker 6: There are a lot of women who kind of came

599
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Speaker 6: in and played in the seventies and eighties wh've adopted

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Speaker 6: this exclusionary stance. There are people who came in during

601
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Speaker 6: the women's movement when it was just starting and really

602
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Speaker 6: fighting for even you.

603
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Speaker 7: Know, when Title nine wasn't even well established.

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Speaker 6: And I think it is disappointing that they have these

605
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Speaker 6: views that are then going to limit women in sports.

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Speaker 7: Let's be honest, like, you know.

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Speaker 2: It does make for a good and interesting profile, though

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Speaker 2: to not always have to heroize people or demonize them.

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Speaker 1: It's it can be both. We can feel different ways about.

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Speaker 6: Them, and I think complicated people and complicated storytelling is

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Speaker 6: part of what I loved about so many of the

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Speaker 6: stories in the Year's Best Sports Writing.

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Speaker 7: And the other one I'm going to point.

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Speaker 6: To then in that vein is Steve Poladi's piece on

615
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Speaker 6: Olivia Dunn, and I think there are kind of, you know,

616
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Speaker 6: the way she's been portrayed in NILS.

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Speaker 7: You know, she's clearly leading the in terms.

618
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Speaker 6: Of women getting an IL deals, and part of that

619
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Speaker 6: is because she is appealing to advertisers in the way

620
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Speaker 6: women have always been appealing to advertisers.

621
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Speaker 1: Sex sells.

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Speaker 6: She's a beautiful woman, she's very good at what she does.

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Speaker 6: She's not the best gymnast in the world, but she's good,

624
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Speaker 6: and she's very good, and she's got real talent. And

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Speaker 6: so I think, you know, but he is able to

626
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Speaker 6: deal with this, you know, not kind of casting shade

627
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Speaker 6: on her or being a bit blamey or being like

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Speaker 6: you know, I mean, I think you know, look, you've

629
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Speaker 6: been in this business a long time too. We take

630
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Speaker 6: advantage of whatever advantages we have, and that's kind of

631
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Speaker 6: the way you have to do it. I think this

632
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Speaker 6: was a very frank and matter of fact look at that,

633
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Speaker 6: and also the backlash that has come her way because

634
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Speaker 6: of that. She's had stalkers, she's you know, she does

635
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Speaker 6: she has to endure I think a certain level of

636
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Speaker 6: talk about her endorsements as well, So, you know, I

637
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Speaker 6: think this was a frank treatment of a multi layered

638
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Speaker 6: character quote unquote, And I thought that was a really

639
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Speaker 6: good story too well.

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Speaker 2: And that is particularly interesting because we've talked about this

641
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Speaker 2: a lot over the course of our years hosting the

642
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Speaker 2: Trifecta and doing other work. Is how do you balance

643
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Speaker 2: like hate the game, not the player, right, if the

644
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 2: system operates the way that it does, where it holds

645
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Speaker 2: women back in almost every way and then gives you

646
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Speaker 2: this one way. It's a conversation we've had about Danika Patrick,

647
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Speaker 2: It's a conversation we've had about so many women. You know,

648
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Speaker 2: on a corner Cova, you know, Maria Sharipova, If you're beautiful,

649
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Speaker 2: you can both get more publicity and attention because of

650
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Speaker 2: it and also get criticized for it. But if you're

651
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Speaker 2: not beautiful and you're super talented, you often don't get

652
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Speaker 2: the opportunity. So what do we want from women? And

653
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Speaker 2: the answer is to go away most of the time.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean that having those nuanced conversations about

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Speaker 2: someone like Livy Dunn is really fascinating. Okay, So we've

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Speaker 2: got to get the year's Best Sports Writing twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 2: There are countless stories in there, some of the best

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Speaker 2: of the best that Jane McManus herself got to pick out,

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Speaker 2: which what an honor. Incredible that you edited that. That's

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Speaker 2: just really fantastic.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 2: You're also here to tell us by your upcoming book,

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Speaker 2: which I am super excited. I can't believe that somehow

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Speaker 2: in the year twenty twenty five, all three members of

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Speaker 2: the Trifecta will have their book on the shelves. We

666
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 2: need to go into every bookstore and put them next

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Speaker 2: to each other.

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Speaker 7: So you should do it a little book tour.

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Speaker 1: Ooh so fun.

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Speaker 2: Let's do it. Let's manifest that for twenty twenty five. Okay,

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Speaker 2: So tell us about fast Track.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: So, I mean, I think it was a story that

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Speaker 6: I had to tell, you know, just and I think,

675
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,479
Speaker 6: you know, you and Cater both doing stories, I think

676
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 6: that you feel really drawn to. And for me it

677
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 6: was really you know, kind of having a front row

678
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 6: seat to the business of women's sports for so long,

679
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Speaker 6: and also the industry and how it treats women's sports,

680
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Speaker 6: you know, like you, I didn't get into being a

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Speaker 6: sportswriter because I wanted to start a revolution or be

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Speaker 6: you know, the feminist icon.

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Speaker 7: Sports writer speaker. But once you get in, you kind

684
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Speaker 7: of see what's happening.

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Speaker 6: And it kind of sensitizes you to think I just

686
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Speaker 6: wanted to cover the next but here we are so

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Speaker 6: but so I wanted to tell the story not only

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Speaker 6: of where women's sports are going at the moment with

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Speaker 6: so much investment. And I pitched this book in twenty

690
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 6: twenty I could kind of see that it was the

691
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 6: tide was coming in a little bit. But it's also

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Speaker 6: about the things that have held women in the space back.

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Speaker 6: It's about you know, choosing windows for broadcasts, windows for

694
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Speaker 6: WNBA games, It's about all these little decisions that also

695
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 6: held them back.

696
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 7: Maline necklect if you will, And so I wanted to.

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Speaker 6: Tell both those stories side by side because I really

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Speaker 6: don't think that the you know, getting out the pom

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Speaker 6: poms and going go women's sports, go women's sports, is

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Speaker 6: the full story. And also I think in this particular

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Speaker 6: moment that we're in right now, Sarah, you have to

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Speaker 6: be aware of the forces that are ready to kick

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Speaker 6: back in again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so true, and we try to talk about

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00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 2: that on this show, where we say, let's also look

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00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 2: back when we say this is the highest ratings since

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Speaker 2: two thousand and five, What was going on in two

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Speaker 2: thousand and five, Why was it getting so much attention?

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Speaker 1: What happened between then and now that it dipped?

710
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Speaker 2: Because if we don't pay attention to what's being done

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Speaker 2: with intention to women's sports at various times, we run

712
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Speaker 2: the risk of leagues taking a step back of attendance

713
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Speaker 2: and view viewers not continuing to go up. Like right now,

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00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 2: it feels like such a complete trajectory, straight up, like

715
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Speaker 2: a rocket ship. But there are any number of things

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Speaker 2: that can send us backwards if we're not paying attention

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Speaker 2: to them, calling out how they happen to the past.

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Speaker 2: And that's why I'm just so, so so psyched for

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Speaker 2: your book. You're such an incredible researcher. You are so honest.

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Speaker 2: I always say that we did gifts for each other.

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Speaker 2: Mine was to sometimes make you lighten up a little

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Speaker 2: and have a little more fun, and yours was to

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Speaker 2: knock me out of my rainbows and sunshine and tell

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Speaker 2: me like, hey, this is the real shit here Spain

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Speaker 2: like radicalizing me in a way that would have happened anyway,

726
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Speaker 2: but you got me there a little faster and got

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Speaker 2: me working on the on the right side of things

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Speaker 2: to start telling these stories which are so necessary.

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Speaker 1: Where can we get the book?

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Speaker 6: You can pre order it a good Reads or Amazon

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Speaker 6: or any of the places where you can pre order books,

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Speaker 6: and you know, get it, for get it for somebody

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Speaker 6: in your life who's going to enjoy the history and

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Speaker 6: the future.

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Speaker 2: I love that you can also get it from any

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Speaker 2: local bookstore that you love that has an online portal

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Speaker 2: the pre order. I love Volumes Books in Chicago and

738
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Speaker 2: Semichael and you can also do Powace Books, famous bookstore

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Speaker 2: in Portland. But it's available for pre order now. Fast Track.

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Speaker 2: We're so excited about that, And Jane, we're so excited

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Speaker 2: to chat with you. We're manifesting the Three Way Book Tour,

742
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Speaker 2: the Threesome Book Tour, the Trifector Book Tour, or at

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Speaker 2: least at least one appearance that will make in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty five, but also getting you both on the shop.

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Speaker 6: So thanks for the time, one hundred percent, Thanks Sarah.

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Speaker 2: Thanks again to Jane for joining us, and thanks to

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Speaker 2: you all for listening all year. You know we love

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Speaker 2: that you're listening, but we want you to get in

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Speaker 2: the game every day too, So here's our good Game

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Speaker 2: Play of the Day by the year's best sports writing

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, and pre order FastTrack inside the Surging

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Speaker 2: Business of Women's Sports and vote for the slices.

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Speaker 1: And because this is.

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Speaker 2: A very official election, we made a Google form to

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Speaker 2: ensure fairness and accuracy. The link is in our show notes,

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Speaker 2: so make your voices hurt. Results are coming in the

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Speaker 2: new year, and of course we always love to hear

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Speaker 2: from you, so hit us up on email Good Game

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00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 2: at wondermedianetwork dot com or leave us a voicemail at

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Speaker 2: eight seven two two oh four fifty seventy and finally,

761
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Speaker 2: don't forget to subscribe, rate and review, it's easy watch

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Speaker 2: my list of delights and comforts, rating five out of

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Speaker 2: five things that will help us survive the existential dread

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Speaker 2: we feel about the start of twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: Five review so slices.

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Speaker 2: At the end of the year, I get particularly contemplative,

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Speaker 2: and at the end of this year, in particular, after

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Speaker 2: several months of putting on blinders for what's to come

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Speaker 2: January twentieth, I'm now being forced to look ahead to

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five for work and life and schedule, and

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Speaker 2: that's been pretty upsetting, to say the least. So my

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Speaker 2: contemplativeness turned toward finding comfort and delight ways to stop catastrophizing,

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Speaker 2: even just for brief moments.

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Speaker 1: And if you'll indulge me for a minute.

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Speaker 2: Here, I would like to share three words and two

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Speaker 2: people that I think will help us in the coming

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Speaker 2: months as reminders that delight can be found in even

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Speaker 2: the smallest of things, like a very specific and deliciously

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00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 2: ridiculous word, or the grandest of human expressions, like a

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Speaker 2: poem about choosing to live with joy even when things

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Speaker 2: feel super dark.

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Speaker 1: So let's start with the silly stuff.

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Speaker 2: We're starting with a finished word purunkusema now This is

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Speaker 2: a word born from the fact that reindeers are unable

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Speaker 2: to walk.

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Speaker 1: And pee at the same time. Did you know that

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Speaker 1: because I didn't.

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Speaker 2: Yep, they had to take a bathroom break roughly every

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Speaker 2: five to seven kilometers, and the finish created a word

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Speaker 2: based on this form of measurement. Purunkussema is a distance

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00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 2: of about five to seven kilometers, the distance equel to

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Speaker 2: how far a reindeer can travel before stopping and taking

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Speaker 2: a piss literal translation a reindeer's piss. And it became

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Speaker 2: an old fashioned description of distances in the countryside. So

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Speaker 2: take the road all the way past the red farmhouse,

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Speaker 2: over a hill, keep driving about two reindeer pisses. Then

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Speaker 2: you'll see their place on the right, just past the

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Speaker 2: big dead tree. Now I think we should use this

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Speaker 2: measure of distance for road races. Yes, perfect number two.

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Speaker 2: The second word that delights me I learned this past

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Speaker 2: spring when I went to Japan for the first time,

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Speaker 2: and I was right smack in the middle of cherry

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Speaker 2: blossom season.

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Speaker 1: Now you want to talk about delighted.

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00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 2: There are pink blossoms everywhere above and below you. There

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Speaker 2: are even rivers and streams entirely pink with fallen blossoms,

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Speaker 2: and this happens every single year, and it has for

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Speaker 2: literal centuries, but the Japanese still treat it like it's

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Speaker 2: a once in a lifetime event. There are countless festivals

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Speaker 2: and art pieces, and there's a whole vocabulary dedicated to

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Speaker 2: sakura cherry blossoms. And my favorite word dedicated to these

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Speaker 2: beauties is sakura fubuki, which means basically when the cherry

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00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 2: blossoms are falling off the trees like snow. The literal

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00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 2: translation is cherry blossom snowstorm. To have a whole word

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Speaker 2: just for the moment that August of wind grabs a

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Speaker 2: handful of blossoms and pulls them from their branches, sending

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Speaker 2: them down to the ground like snow.

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Speaker 1: Come on.

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Speaker 2: That is so lovely, and it actually reminds me of

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Speaker 2: these lines from this poet. I went to go see

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Speaker 2: cave Akbar and he wrote about wishing that the awesome

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Speaker 2: occasions of the every day would never feel ordinary.

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Speaker 1: Quote.

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Speaker 2: Some days we can see venus in mid afternoon, then

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00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 2: at night, stars separated by billions of miles light traveling

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Speaker 2: years to die in the back of an eye. Is

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Speaker 2: there a vocabulary for this one to make dailiness amplify

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Speaker 2: and not diminish wonder end quote. I feel like finding wonder,

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Speaker 2: finding delight, finding magic, and even the ordinary, even something

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Speaker 2: that happens every single year, making whole words for that

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Speaker 2: that is going to be very important in the coming

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Speaker 2: months and years. Number Three my favorite word of all

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Speaker 2: time apricody the warmth of sunlight in the winter, which

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Speaker 2: again sort of feels important for the next four years

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Speaker 2: or so because we'll be going through existential winter trying

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Speaker 2: to find patches of sunlight, bits of warmth, any sort

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Speaker 2: of feeling of brightness. And this reminded me of my

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Speaker 2: personal motto acquired during COVID. The Very Dark existentialist Albert

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Speaker 2: Camu wrote beautifully quote in the midst of winter, I

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Speaker 2: found there was within me an invincible summer end quote.

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Speaker 2: And ever since I came across those lines, invincible summer

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Speaker 2: has been sort of my personal motto through COVID, through disappointment,

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00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 2: finding sunshine inside of myself when there's darkness or winter,

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Speaker 2: anything else outside of me. So we're going to have

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Speaker 2: to find our invincible summer and our apricity. Four there

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Speaker 2: is a quote that I shared multiple years in a

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Speaker 2: row embarrassingly on social media Every New Year's attributed to

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Speaker 2: f Scott Fitzgerald, or should I say misattributed because it

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Speaker 2: is actually lines from the movie Benjamin Button. Was I

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Speaker 2: horrified to learn that every year I had very dramatically

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Speaker 2: and artfully shared f Scott Fitzgerald lines that were not

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Speaker 2: written by f Scott Fitzgerald.

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 2: I was. But did I start sharing it and just

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Speaker 2: cropping off the bottom that said f Scott Fitzgerald every

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Speaker 2: year anyway? Because it is my favorite thing to share

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Speaker 2: every New Year's? Yes I did. And here's what it is,

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Speaker 2: for what it's worth. It's never too late to be

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Speaker 2: whoever you want to be. There's no time limit, start

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00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,240
Speaker 2: whenever you want. You can change or stay the same.

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Speaker 2: There are no rules to this thing. We can make

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Speaker 2: the best or the worst of it. I hope you

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Speaker 2: make the best of it. I hope you see things

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Speaker 2: that startle you. I hope you feel things you've never

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Speaker 2: felt before. I hope you meet people who have a

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Speaker 2: different point of view. I hope you live a life

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Speaker 2: you're proud of. And if you're not, I hope you

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Speaker 2: have the courage to start over again.

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Speaker 1: End quote.

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Speaker 2: Now, this fact that I continually shared a misattributed quote

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Speaker 2: to a famous author that was actually from a movie

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Speaker 2: where Brad Pitt ages backwards reminded me of another quote

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Speaker 2: that I've seen many times and I can't for sure

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Speaker 2: find the exact truth behind it. Is mostly shared on

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Speaker 2: blog posts and pinterests, but it's still moving to me,

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00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 2: and the words can move me even if I don't

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Speaker 2: know if they're one thousand percent true and related to

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Speaker 2: the person that they allegedly were spoken by.

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Speaker 1: But there's a man named aj Must.

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Speaker 2: He is real a social activist who during the Vietnam

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00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 2: War stood outside the White House night after night, and

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Speaker 2: a reporter once asked him, quote, mister Must, do you

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Speaker 2: really think that you're going to change the policies of

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Speaker 2: this country by standing out here alone all night with

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Speaker 2: a candle?

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Speaker 1: End quote?

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00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 2: And he said, Oh, I don't do this to change

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00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 2: the country. I do this so the country won't change me,

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00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,240
Speaker 2: whether or not he actually said that. I am taking

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Speaker 2: that message into the next year and the year after,

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00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 2: and the year after and the year after, and.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully only those four years. God please, but we need.

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Speaker 2: To remind ourselves going forward that we might not be

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00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 2: able to change the whole country, but we do need

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Speaker 2: to make sure the country does not change us, at

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Speaker 2: least in bad ways. Finally, Number five, another person to

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Speaker 2: move you Andrea Gibson, Colorado's poet, laureate, activist, author, performer,

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00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 2: teller of the most painful and honest of truths.

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Speaker 1: Their work is so beautiful and so devastating.

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00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 2: It will take you all the way from joy to

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00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 2: pain and then back to joy again because of what

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00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 2: it reveals in you and in all of us. And

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00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 2: every single time I listened to their work, I'm like, Okay,

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00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 2: we're going to be fine because they are dealing with

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00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 2: the devastating terminal diagnosis, and they somehow find beauty and

906
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 2: every single little thing, even the worst of things, like,

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00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 2: for instance, listen to this.

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Speaker 8: This year, everyone I know had a broken heart. Everyone

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00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 8: I know cried in private on their way home from

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00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 8: a party, and not everyone I know woke up the

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00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:50,800
Speaker 8: next morning, and not everyone I know wanted to, even

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00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 8: though they did. And this year I stood inside of

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00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 8: a red witch tree and thought, this is the sweetest

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00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 8: day of my whole life. And a couple of months later,

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00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 8: I was screaming in a parking lot thinking this is

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00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:09,839
Speaker 8: the worst day of my whole life. And a few

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00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 8: months later I was dancing in my living room, thinking,

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Speaker 8: this is the best day of my whole life. Have

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00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:21,280
Speaker 8: you ever seen the seed of a red tree?

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00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:22,760
Speaker 1: So tiny?

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00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 8: And all of that, everything inside of it, all of this,

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00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 8: everything inside of us.

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00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 2: So read Andrew's work, watch their performances, Take in their words,

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00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 2: things like this quote. Because I don't want to be

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00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,320
Speaker 2: a witness to this life. I want to be charged

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00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 2: and convicted, earlifted to her song like a bouquet of yes.

927
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 2: Because my heart is a parachute that has never opened

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00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 2: in time, and I want to fuck up that pattern,

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00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 2: leave a hole where the cold comes in, and fill

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00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 2: it every day with her son. Because anyone who's ever

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00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 2: sat in lotus for more than a few seconds knows

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00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 2: it takes a hell of a lot more muscle to

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Speaker 2: stay than to go.

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Speaker 1: End quote.

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Speaker 2: So we gotta stay. We got to use all our

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00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 2: muscles to stay. We've got to find our invincible summer.

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00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 2: We got to find our pricity. We got to find

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Speaker 2: our delight in our comfort. We got this, people, We

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Speaker 2: got this. Now it's your turn, rate and review and

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Speaker 2: thanks for listening. This is our final episode of this week,

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Speaker 2: but we'll be back next week with our favorite episodes

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Speaker 2: from twenty twenty four. We'll see you then. Enjoy the holidays,

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Speaker 2: however you celebrate them. Good Game, Jane, Good Game, Slicies, You,

944
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 2: anybody who's shitting our Sunday this year. Good Game with

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Speaker 2: Sarah Spain is an iHeart women's sports production in partnership

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Speaker 2: with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find us

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Speaker 2: on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get

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Speaker 2: your podcasts. Production by Wonder Media Network, our producers are.

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Speaker 1: Alex Azzie and Misha Jones.

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00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:49,240
Speaker 2: Our executive producers are Christina Everett, Jesse Katz, Jenny Kaplan,

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00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 2: and Emily Rudder. Our editors are Emily Rudder, Britney Martinez,

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00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 2: Grace Lynch, and Lindsay Crawdowell. Production assistant from Lucy Jones

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Speaker 2: and I'm Your Host Sarah Spain