1 00:00:06,026 --> 00:00:09,506 Speaker 1: NFL Explained is a production of the NFL in partnership 2 00:00:09,706 --> 00:00:17,586 Speaker 1: with I Heart Radio. All Right, a little known fact. 3 00:00:17,706 --> 00:00:21,146 Speaker 1: I am actually I don't like being late, Like I 4 00:00:21,186 --> 00:00:24,346 Speaker 1: got a thing about it, and yesterday I was disappointed 5 00:00:24,386 --> 00:00:27,186 Speaker 1: and I was concerned about today's episode. I didn't know 6 00:00:27,226 --> 00:00:29,266 Speaker 1: if you were going to be here. You were supposed 7 00:00:29,306 --> 00:00:32,506 Speaker 1: to do total access with me and then plane issues 8 00:00:32,586 --> 00:00:34,986 Speaker 1: traveling across country. I'm happy you're here with me today. 9 00:00:35,026 --> 00:00:37,466 Speaker 1: I'm happy to be here, yams. Mama. We made it. 10 00:00:37,586 --> 00:00:40,306 Speaker 1: I finally made it to work. Hey man, But you know, 11 00:00:40,386 --> 00:00:42,146 Speaker 1: we had a bathroom issue on one of the planes. 12 00:00:42,226 --> 00:00:44,826 Speaker 1: You gotta get the bathroom fixed, okay for four hour flights. 13 00:00:44,826 --> 00:00:46,626 Speaker 1: So I'm glad it got fixed. Hold on, is that 14 00:00:46,666 --> 00:00:49,066 Speaker 1: why they that's why? Yes, it was a bathroom issue. 15 00:00:49,146 --> 00:00:53,266 Speaker 1: We can't go across the country without the bathroom working. Okay. 16 00:00:53,266 --> 00:00:56,266 Speaker 1: That's that's another episode of NFL Explained. I gotta tell 17 00:00:56,266 --> 00:01:00,346 Speaker 1: you we could combine this topic specifically about chartered flights 18 00:01:00,386 --> 00:01:05,226 Speaker 1: that NFL teams take and bathroom issues that are there. Nonetheless, 19 00:01:05,306 --> 00:01:08,866 Speaker 1: it is a brand new edition of the NFL Explained podcast. Mike, Yam, 20 00:01:08,946 --> 00:01:11,426 Speaker 1: it's my guy, m Rob. Yes, there's a lot to 21 00:01:11,466 --> 00:01:15,146 Speaker 1: get to and in fact, we actually have a timely episode. 22 00:01:15,586 --> 00:01:16,946 Speaker 1: You know, a lot of times I always ask hey, 23 00:01:16,986 --> 00:01:18,826 Speaker 1: like send us your questions, and of course continue to 24 00:01:18,826 --> 00:01:20,626 Speaker 1: do that. I got a couple others last couple of days. 25 00:01:20,826 --> 00:01:23,986 Speaker 1: We'll get to all that. But we decided because of 26 00:01:24,186 --> 00:01:27,306 Speaker 1: news that doesn't happen all that often in real time, 27 00:01:27,506 --> 00:01:30,506 Speaker 1: we would react to it accordingly here on the podcast. 28 00:01:30,546 --> 00:01:32,866 Speaker 1: And if you don't know the news, this week, Week 29 00:01:32,946 --> 00:01:36,386 Speaker 1: fourteen in the NFL season, the Titans actually fired their 30 00:01:36,426 --> 00:01:38,986 Speaker 1: general manager, John Robinson, So we thought we'd take a 31 00:01:39,026 --> 00:01:41,786 Speaker 1: look at the role of the GM, explain what they 32 00:01:41,826 --> 00:01:43,746 Speaker 1: do the day to day kind of stuff and why 33 00:01:43,746 --> 00:01:46,306 Speaker 1: it's really significant and why you don't see moves like 34 00:01:46,346 --> 00:01:48,546 Speaker 1: this all that often. And by the way, just in 35 00:01:48,546 --> 00:01:50,706 Speaker 1: case you're wondering, yeah, the Titans actually still in first 36 00:01:50,706 --> 00:01:54,186 Speaker 1: place in the A it is, although maybe more of 37 00:01:54,226 --> 00:01:56,226 Speaker 1: an indictment on some of the play by some of 38 00:01:56,266 --> 00:01:58,866 Speaker 1: the teams in that division. But nonetheless, man, there's still 39 00:01:58,866 --> 00:02:01,066 Speaker 1: a four seed in the postseason picture, and made this 40 00:02:01,146 --> 00:02:04,386 Speaker 1: change their four seed. Um, you usually don't see a 41 00:02:04,466 --> 00:02:07,546 Speaker 1: first place team in a DIVI vision father general manager, 42 00:02:07,706 --> 00:02:09,026 Speaker 1: but at the end of the day. It leads me 43 00:02:09,066 --> 00:02:11,106 Speaker 1: to think that maybe there was a little bit more 44 00:02:11,546 --> 00:02:14,266 Speaker 1: to this decision, because again the general manager, he sets 45 00:02:14,306 --> 00:02:17,666 Speaker 1: the vision for the entire organization, so to see this happen. 46 00:02:17,866 --> 00:02:21,026 Speaker 1: Oh and then on a day after A. J. Brown, 47 00:02:21,106 --> 00:02:23,626 Speaker 1: who was with that team, just went off eight receptions 48 00:02:23,626 --> 00:02:25,666 Speaker 1: a hundred and twenty yards. I mean, could it be 49 00:02:25,866 --> 00:02:29,626 Speaker 1: a coincidence? I don't know. Maybe I don't think so. 50 00:02:30,066 --> 00:02:31,586 Speaker 1: I was just gonna I was gonna let that one 51 00:02:31,666 --> 00:02:33,546 Speaker 1: said because I know what you told me before we 52 00:02:33,586 --> 00:02:36,146 Speaker 1: started this show, and it was more on that line. 53 00:02:36,306 --> 00:02:38,386 Speaker 1: You know. It's interesting because I came in yesterday to 54 00:02:38,426 --> 00:02:39,666 Speaker 1: do the show and once again I was just a 55 00:02:39,706 --> 00:02:42,786 Speaker 1: point you weren't here. But I'm kind of pulling the 56 00:02:42,786 --> 00:02:44,746 Speaker 1: curtain back. You know. We got all these like insiders. 57 00:02:44,786 --> 00:02:46,546 Speaker 1: We've got people that are like tapped in. We got 58 00:02:46,546 --> 00:02:49,706 Speaker 1: former players like dudes who just know people, and no 59 00:02:49,746 --> 00:02:53,466 Speaker 1: one really knows because they all said the same thing. 60 00:02:53,826 --> 00:02:56,106 Speaker 1: There's probably something that we don't know about here because 61 00:02:56,106 --> 00:02:57,626 Speaker 1: of the timing of all this stuff. I can't tell 62 00:02:57,666 --> 00:02:59,746 Speaker 1: you how many people I interact with over the last 63 00:02:59,746 --> 00:03:01,746 Speaker 1: couple of days that are sort of saying the same 64 00:03:01,786 --> 00:03:04,786 Speaker 1: exact thing. So it just kind of fascinating here, It's 65 00:03:04,826 --> 00:03:06,906 Speaker 1: all I'm saying, and the news trickles out. Of course, 66 00:03:06,986 --> 00:03:09,826 Speaker 1: NFL dot Com and NFL Network will have everyone covered. 67 00:03:09,866 --> 00:03:12,466 Speaker 1: But I think we should probably dive right into the 68 00:03:12,586 --> 00:03:15,226 Speaker 1: role of a general manager and we should point out 69 00:03:15,226 --> 00:03:19,106 Speaker 1: there are actually people who have the title of GM 70 00:03:19,146 --> 00:03:22,666 Speaker 1: that are not necessarily in control sometimes of all the 71 00:03:22,666 --> 00:03:26,186 Speaker 1: player personnel decision So it's a little bit funky. Sometimes 72 00:03:26,226 --> 00:03:28,346 Speaker 1: not all people who have that GM title are actually 73 00:03:28,346 --> 00:03:30,746 Speaker 1: considered just that. I know, it's weird, just rolling me 74 00:03:30,786 --> 00:03:33,106 Speaker 1: on this one. Okay, Um Dukes Tobin by the way, 75 00:03:33,106 --> 00:03:35,946 Speaker 1: the Bengals, he's got the title of Director of Player Personnel, 76 00:03:36,466 --> 00:03:39,546 Speaker 1: Seahawks executive vice president, and GM John Schneider, just a 77 00:03:39,586 --> 00:03:43,146 Speaker 1: couple of those examples. Sometimes GM is not the all 78 00:03:43,266 --> 00:03:46,466 Speaker 1: encompassing thing. New England head coach Bill Belichick, by the way, 79 00:03:46,506 --> 00:03:50,186 Speaker 1: the only head coach who maintains GM power even though 80 00:03:50,186 --> 00:03:53,546 Speaker 1: he doesn't actually have the GM title. He's he's the GM, 81 00:03:53,986 --> 00:03:56,426 Speaker 1: he's the boss, He's the big man in charge. How 82 00:03:56,426 --> 00:03:59,946 Speaker 1: about that. Kansas City's Andy Reid comes to my Pete 83 00:03:59,946 --> 00:04:03,306 Speaker 1: Carol in Seattle, Washington's Ron rivera head coaches who have 84 00:04:03,986 --> 00:04:08,386 Speaker 1: significant power into some player personnel. And then there's one 85 00:04:08,466 --> 00:04:12,146 Speaker 1: person that I can think of who is maybe the 86 00:04:12,186 --> 00:04:16,026 Speaker 1: most unique character and I say that respectfully in the league, 87 00:04:16,106 --> 00:04:18,906 Speaker 1: and it's an owner and Jerry Jones who not only 88 00:04:18,906 --> 00:04:22,506 Speaker 1: owns a team, but he's calling the shots that stuff. Yes, 89 00:04:22,546 --> 00:04:25,186 Speaker 1: I remember what was it all or nothing or something? 90 00:04:25,266 --> 00:04:28,066 Speaker 1: I think the Dallas Cowboys one that reality show a 91 00:04:28,106 --> 00:04:29,706 Speaker 1: little bit a couple of years ago. In this life, 92 00:04:29,746 --> 00:04:33,386 Speaker 1: before every coach's meeting and staff meeting, Jerry Jones had 93 00:04:33,426 --> 00:04:38,106 Speaker 1: to had to speak to everybody. Fascinating, fascinating. Look, kudos man, 94 00:04:38,146 --> 00:04:39,746 Speaker 1: if you're the team owner like Jerry is, and you 95 00:04:39,786 --> 00:04:43,026 Speaker 1: want to give yourself the GM title, and that's his side, Okay, cool, 96 00:04:43,026 --> 00:04:45,026 Speaker 1: that's your money. Man. You can do what you want 97 00:04:45,066 --> 00:04:46,986 Speaker 1: to do, and he does what he wants to do. 98 00:04:47,266 --> 00:04:50,506 Speaker 1: He does. Okay. So for the sake of this entire episode, 99 00:04:50,506 --> 00:04:53,946 Speaker 1: just to make it easy on understanding, we're just gonna 100 00:04:53,986 --> 00:04:57,706 Speaker 1: refer to everyone as GM the rest of the way. Basically, 101 00:04:57,826 --> 00:05:00,866 Speaker 1: they are the top employee team's personnel department and they 102 00:05:00,906 --> 00:05:02,626 Speaker 1: got the final say on a lot of things, some 103 00:05:02,666 --> 00:05:06,106 Speaker 1: of those topics signing free agents, making draft picks, standing 104 00:05:06,186 --> 00:05:10,106 Speaker 1: current players, making trades, cutting the roster during training camp 105 00:05:10,106 --> 00:05:13,866 Speaker 1: from ninety to fifty three players, picking practice squad players. 106 00:05:13,866 --> 00:05:16,586 Speaker 1: You just sort of said, who like that, that's a 107 00:05:16,626 --> 00:05:19,266 Speaker 1: big decision. I mean all of the general managers I've 108 00:05:19,306 --> 00:05:21,986 Speaker 1: come in contact with that I played for, you have 109 00:05:22,106 --> 00:05:25,026 Speaker 1: personal relationships with these guys, and so you know, cut 110 00:05:25,106 --> 00:05:27,746 Speaker 1: days one of those days where the business gets in 111 00:05:27,746 --> 00:05:29,746 Speaker 1: the way of some of those personal relationships. And I 112 00:05:29,706 --> 00:05:31,866 Speaker 1: always encourage people to check out Hard Knocks because I 113 00:05:31,906 --> 00:05:34,946 Speaker 1: think they do a great job on this. Over the years, 114 00:05:35,346 --> 00:05:38,746 Speaker 1: these moments have happened where head coach, general manager on 115 00:05:38,906 --> 00:05:42,466 Speaker 1: cut day, like it's it's excruciating. They gotta figure out, like, hey, 116 00:05:42,506 --> 00:05:44,706 Speaker 1: this dude's not gonna be with this team anymore. And 117 00:05:44,746 --> 00:05:47,986 Speaker 1: I'm always fascinated how some of these players handled that 118 00:05:48,066 --> 00:05:52,066 Speaker 1: news and just take it way better than you would think. Well, Yeam's, 119 00:05:52,226 --> 00:05:54,186 Speaker 1: first of all, this is a business. We're in the 120 00:05:54,386 --> 00:05:57,386 Speaker 1: business of football. And see when we all fell in 121 00:05:57,426 --> 00:05:58,906 Speaker 1: love with the game of football. I know a lot 122 00:05:58,946 --> 00:06:00,866 Speaker 1: of the players and we fell in love with it 123 00:06:00,906 --> 00:06:03,906 Speaker 1: was when it was a game to us. And sometimes 124 00:06:03,946 --> 00:06:05,826 Speaker 1: the business of it gets in the way. But it 125 00:06:06,186 --> 00:06:07,746 Speaker 1: at least, you know, we don't get a lot of 126 00:06:07,786 --> 00:06:11,146 Speaker 1: Vante Davis is calling his grandmother right when he got cut. 127 00:06:11,266 --> 00:06:16,306 Speaker 1: That was hilarious. I called Vernon his big brother, Vernon, 128 00:06:16,346 --> 00:06:20,226 Speaker 1: what what the hell is talking about? I'm sorry, guys, 129 00:06:20,266 --> 00:06:22,106 Speaker 1: I digress a little bit, but that was funny. No, 130 00:06:22,226 --> 00:06:24,186 Speaker 1: there's there's a lot of well maybe not a lot 131 00:06:24,186 --> 00:06:27,426 Speaker 1: of those moments, but those are memorable interactions when you 132 00:06:27,466 --> 00:06:30,226 Speaker 1: see it unfold in real time. But besides some of 133 00:06:30,266 --> 00:06:32,266 Speaker 1: the player cut downs in the draft and the whole thing, 134 00:06:32,266 --> 00:06:35,546 Speaker 1: they also managed personnel departments, so you got dozens of 135 00:06:35,546 --> 00:06:40,746 Speaker 1: employees dividing duties, hiring, scouting staff, analytical guys. You got 136 00:06:40,746 --> 00:06:43,506 Speaker 1: your numbers people as well, and they also are in 137 00:06:43,586 --> 00:06:45,986 Speaker 1: charge of sending that long term and short term plan 138 00:06:46,106 --> 00:06:49,066 Speaker 1: the vision of the team. They also work a lot 139 00:06:49,106 --> 00:06:52,706 Speaker 1: of times with the head coaches, but from a player's perspective, 140 00:06:52,706 --> 00:06:55,226 Speaker 1: and that's the helmet that you wore and Rob, how 141 00:06:55,306 --> 00:06:58,586 Speaker 1: much interaction was there when you were a player with 142 00:06:58,666 --> 00:07:01,506 Speaker 1: the actual GM, Well, it's funny. I had a lot 143 00:07:01,546 --> 00:07:04,066 Speaker 1: of interactions with our general managers throughout the years that 144 00:07:04,106 --> 00:07:05,826 Speaker 1: I played, and I have to tell our listeners and 145 00:07:05,866 --> 00:07:08,386 Speaker 1: our viewers, I was always a like a team captain 146 00:07:08,466 --> 00:07:10,626 Speaker 1: or a leader on the team. So a general manager, 147 00:07:10,666 --> 00:07:14,386 Speaker 1: as you said, as responsible for the roster makeup and 148 00:07:14,426 --> 00:07:17,466 Speaker 1: getting free agents and drafting guys, and so whenever we 149 00:07:17,506 --> 00:07:20,906 Speaker 1: were bringing a unique personality into the locker room or 150 00:07:20,906 --> 00:07:24,226 Speaker 1: somebody that maybe people had questions about, oh yeah, the 151 00:07:24,266 --> 00:07:26,666 Speaker 1: general manager always gave me a call. Scott mccloughen was 152 00:07:26,706 --> 00:07:29,186 Speaker 1: my first general manager. Drafted me with the San Francisco 153 00:07:29,186 --> 00:07:32,306 Speaker 1: forty niners, and I saw Scott every single day. Scott 154 00:07:32,466 --> 00:07:34,586 Speaker 1: used to stand in the end zone like a coach, 155 00:07:34,746 --> 00:07:36,746 Speaker 1: like he would sit back there. You would see him 156 00:07:36,746 --> 00:07:38,786 Speaker 1: take his notes, you know, as a running back. When 157 00:07:38,786 --> 00:07:41,146 Speaker 1: I would finish through my forty yards and finished through 158 00:07:41,146 --> 00:07:43,266 Speaker 1: the cone, he would always be back there saying good 159 00:07:43,346 --> 00:07:45,706 Speaker 1: job or great read or something like that. And what 160 00:07:45,786 --> 00:07:49,226 Speaker 1: it did was from a players standpoint, it made you 161 00:07:49,266 --> 00:07:51,906 Speaker 1: feel relevant. It made you feel part of the process. 162 00:07:51,946 --> 00:07:54,106 Speaker 1: It made you feel like we were all a team. 163 00:07:54,146 --> 00:07:57,226 Speaker 1: It didn't and yes's business, and you know eventually we're 164 00:07:57,226 --> 00:07:58,986 Speaker 1: all gonna be told that we're cutting and we're gonna 165 00:07:58,986 --> 00:08:01,426 Speaker 1: all be let go, But Scott made it so that 166 00:08:01,466 --> 00:08:03,266 Speaker 1: it just didn't feel like it was a business. It 167 00:08:03,306 --> 00:08:06,026 Speaker 1: felt like a family. And then, you know, I Key 168 00:08:06,106 --> 00:08:08,466 Speaker 1: left with in two thousand and eight or two thousand nine, 169 00:08:08,546 --> 00:08:10,626 Speaker 1: something like that, and then I had Trent Balky and 170 00:08:10,626 --> 00:08:13,786 Speaker 1: then you know, Trent cut me. And it's funny because 171 00:08:13,786 --> 00:08:17,786 Speaker 1: now Trump Balky he's the general manager of the Jacksonville Jaguars. 172 00:08:17,826 --> 00:08:20,106 Speaker 1: And I was doing an interview down in Jacksonville not 173 00:08:20,186 --> 00:08:22,746 Speaker 1: too long ago, and then I get a call from 174 00:08:22,746 --> 00:08:25,706 Speaker 1: Trent like, what's up brother. You know, dude, you got 175 00:08:25,706 --> 00:08:27,826 Speaker 1: any problems? You know what I'm saying. And I'm like, hey, man, 176 00:08:28,426 --> 00:08:30,626 Speaker 1: I love you, man, it's all good. I just wanted 177 00:08:30,666 --> 00:08:32,826 Speaker 1: to tell you about my experience. But you you know, 178 00:08:32,866 --> 00:08:35,226 Speaker 1: you just have these unique conversations and things like and 179 00:08:35,226 --> 00:08:36,986 Speaker 1: trents a good dude, and he got a great roster 180 00:08:37,026 --> 00:08:40,866 Speaker 1: down there. And then John Snyder with the Seattle Seahawks, 181 00:08:41,106 --> 00:08:43,426 Speaker 1: he you know, that was a little bit different because again, 182 00:08:43,586 --> 00:08:45,826 Speaker 1: like when we had Matt Flynn, when we were bringing 183 00:08:45,866 --> 00:08:48,426 Speaker 1: Matt Flynn into that locker room, he called me, hey, Mike, man, 184 00:08:48,426 --> 00:08:50,866 Speaker 1: that's what I'm thinking about doing. We're bringing in Matt Flynn. 185 00:08:50,866 --> 00:08:52,946 Speaker 1: You know, we are no longer have Matt Hassle back 186 00:08:52,986 --> 00:08:55,306 Speaker 1: and things like that. What do you think about it. 187 00:08:55,426 --> 00:08:58,226 Speaker 1: We're drafting this kid, Russell Wilson. I think you could 188 00:08:58,266 --> 00:09:01,066 Speaker 1: be our starter. I know, we just paid Matt Flynn. 189 00:09:01,546 --> 00:09:03,226 Speaker 1: What you think is gonna out in the locker room? 190 00:09:03,306 --> 00:09:06,346 Speaker 1: Is gonna feel if we start Russell Wilson. Just things 191 00:09:06,386 --> 00:09:08,746 Speaker 1: like that. And John had a presence every single day. 192 00:09:08,746 --> 00:09:11,546 Speaker 1: He would be on the sidelines during practice. We would 193 00:09:11,546 --> 00:09:13,026 Speaker 1: you know, squirt World on a mess with him a 194 00:09:13,066 --> 00:09:14,786 Speaker 1: little bit was you know, he was like one of 195 00:09:14,826 --> 00:09:17,226 Speaker 1: the guys. So all of the general managers I had 196 00:09:17,466 --> 00:09:19,826 Speaker 1: had a real presence, and to me, that's what made 197 00:09:19,906 --> 00:09:22,386 Speaker 1: the business side of things go a little bit easier. 198 00:09:22,426 --> 00:09:24,146 Speaker 1: So it's interesting that you put it that way, because 199 00:09:24,146 --> 00:09:26,746 Speaker 1: I would think it's the exact opposite. When you have 200 00:09:26,866 --> 00:09:30,906 Speaker 1: a personal connection with someone and it becomes family slash 201 00:09:30,986 --> 00:09:34,026 Speaker 1: friends and you gotta deliver news that really alters the 202 00:09:34,066 --> 00:09:37,306 Speaker 1: trajectory of their life. I don't want to necessarily give 203 00:09:37,346 --> 00:09:39,786 Speaker 1: that bad news versus hey, man, like this is a 204 00:09:39,826 --> 00:09:41,986 Speaker 1: straight business. We don't have to be boys. Like you'll 205 00:09:42,026 --> 00:09:44,186 Speaker 1: see me taking my notes, but we're not going to interact, 206 00:09:44,226 --> 00:09:46,386 Speaker 1: so that if it does get to that point, you 207 00:09:46,426 --> 00:09:49,546 Speaker 1: know what, it's just an easier separation. Do I sound 208 00:09:49,546 --> 00:09:53,906 Speaker 1: like I don't like Kevin bad No, But but that's 209 00:09:53,946 --> 00:09:56,506 Speaker 1: that that's human nature. I mean it is right, like 210 00:09:56,546 --> 00:09:58,746 Speaker 1: you don't want to tell your friends the bad things. 211 00:09:58,746 --> 00:10:01,146 Speaker 1: But see, I've always looked at life a little bit differently. 212 00:10:01,226 --> 00:10:03,986 Speaker 1: And you know, Snyder and Scott mccluen, those guys are 213 00:10:04,026 --> 00:10:05,946 Speaker 1: real friends to me, right. I still talk to those 214 00:10:05,986 --> 00:10:09,586 Speaker 1: guys today. So I always respected the fact that they 215 00:10:09,626 --> 00:10:12,586 Speaker 1: had that tough decision. I always knew, when you know, 216 00:10:12,826 --> 00:10:15,026 Speaker 1: Roger Goodell said my name in two thousand and six, 217 00:10:15,146 --> 00:10:17,586 Speaker 1: there was a stopwatch on my career, We're all gonna 218 00:10:17,586 --> 00:10:20,226 Speaker 1: get cut. I knew that. I just always respected the 219 00:10:20,226 --> 00:10:21,906 Speaker 1: fact that, like when I got cut from the San 220 00:10:21,906 --> 00:10:24,146 Speaker 1: Francisco forty Niners, I was one of the last guys 221 00:10:24,186 --> 00:10:26,146 Speaker 1: they called, and they made sure what many people in 222 00:10:26,186 --> 00:10:27,666 Speaker 1: the locker room, you know what I'm saying, that it 223 00:10:27,746 --> 00:10:29,786 Speaker 1: was a respecting because I was a captain. The same 224 00:10:29,826 --> 00:10:32,226 Speaker 1: thing happened with the Seattle Seahawks. They made sure I 225 00:10:32,226 --> 00:10:33,866 Speaker 1: was the last guy in the building. You know what 226 00:10:33,906 --> 00:10:35,586 Speaker 1: I mean. They called me, you know, and it was 227 00:10:35,666 --> 00:10:38,066 Speaker 1: done in a respectful way. In in the Seattle standpoint, 228 00:10:38,066 --> 00:10:42,026 Speaker 1: they brought me back. So again, if you understand that 229 00:10:42,106 --> 00:10:44,506 Speaker 1: there's a business to this whole thing, I think players 230 00:10:44,586 --> 00:10:46,346 Speaker 1: understand how to handle it. And the football world is 231 00:10:46,346 --> 00:10:49,826 Speaker 1: pretty small because when you might get cut, it's practice squad, 232 00:10:50,066 --> 00:10:52,346 Speaker 1: it's you then get called up. Like, there's a lot 233 00:10:52,386 --> 00:10:55,306 Speaker 1: of different moving parts. So generally speaking, I want to 234 00:10:55,306 --> 00:10:57,586 Speaker 1: burn bridges, but not to say that you are it, 235 00:10:57,706 --> 00:10:59,626 Speaker 1: just you're painting it in a different light. I know 236 00:10:59,706 --> 00:11:01,826 Speaker 1: it made reference to some of those responsibilities that the 237 00:11:01,866 --> 00:11:05,066 Speaker 1: gms have the majority, And just to kind of lay 238 00:11:05,066 --> 00:11:07,666 Speaker 1: this out there, that jority of current NFL general managers 239 00:11:07,666 --> 00:11:10,026 Speaker 1: twenty four out of thirty two in fact, actually come 240 00:11:10,066 --> 00:11:12,706 Speaker 1: from a scouting background. That makes sense to me, right Like, 241 00:11:13,026 --> 00:11:14,946 Speaker 1: I still think of all the things that I listed 242 00:11:14,986 --> 00:11:17,786 Speaker 1: as their job. I always think about the draft, I 243 00:11:17,826 --> 00:11:20,826 Speaker 1: always think about player personnel from a scouting standpoint. It 244 00:11:20,866 --> 00:11:23,226 Speaker 1: makes sense to me. But to that point, they're the 245 00:11:23,306 --> 00:11:25,866 Speaker 1: number one scout in the building, so to speak. They 246 00:11:25,906 --> 00:11:28,986 Speaker 1: have to have a clear vision of what the team 247 00:11:29,226 --> 00:11:31,826 Speaker 1: looks like and what a roster wants to look like, 248 00:11:31,906 --> 00:11:35,386 Speaker 1: and that's a costant communication process with the head coach. Again, 249 00:11:35,426 --> 00:11:37,666 Speaker 1: I think Bill Parcel said, what do you say you 250 00:11:37,706 --> 00:11:39,666 Speaker 1: want me to be the chef and do the cooking, 251 00:11:39,666 --> 00:11:41,706 Speaker 1: but you don't want me to go get the groceries. 252 00:11:41,746 --> 00:11:44,026 Speaker 1: And that's one of those things where your general manager 253 00:11:44,066 --> 00:11:45,626 Speaker 1: and your head coach you almost kind of gotta be 254 00:11:45,626 --> 00:11:48,666 Speaker 1: thinking through the same prison so that your roster matches 255 00:11:48,746 --> 00:11:50,866 Speaker 1: the scheme and the principles that you want to coach. 256 00:11:51,306 --> 00:11:54,586 Speaker 1: So you've said the word business multiple times already a 257 00:11:54,626 --> 00:11:56,906 Speaker 1: couple of minutes into this show. And I also think 258 00:11:56,946 --> 00:11:59,866 Speaker 1: because of the business managing, the salary cap is also 259 00:12:00,306 --> 00:12:04,626 Speaker 1: a huge factor as well. In fact, currently four of 260 00:12:04,706 --> 00:12:08,386 Speaker 1: the thirty two gm M were salary cap managers, Howie 261 00:12:08,466 --> 00:12:11,106 Speaker 1: Roseman and the Eagles, Makee. Loomis of the Saints, Martin 262 00:12:11,106 --> 00:12:13,626 Speaker 1: Mayhew with the Commanders, and Omar Khn of the Steelers. 263 00:12:13,746 --> 00:12:15,906 Speaker 1: By the way, Roseman, if he's the numbers guy, he's 264 00:12:15,906 --> 00:12:17,746 Speaker 1: also a shrewd evaluator because some of the moves that 265 00:12:17,786 --> 00:12:21,506 Speaker 1: he's made this offseason and during the year really impressive. 266 00:12:21,546 --> 00:12:24,946 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, he is in his bags with the kids, 267 00:12:24,986 --> 00:12:27,786 Speaker 1: like to say, Yams, I mean how we wrote. I 268 00:12:27,826 --> 00:12:30,986 Speaker 1: mean he probably has this quarterback in Jalen Hurst for 269 00:12:30,986 --> 00:12:33,466 Speaker 1: the next twenty years. He still has draft capital. If 270 00:12:33,466 --> 00:12:35,346 Speaker 1: he wants to go get a quarterback next year. He 271 00:12:35,386 --> 00:12:37,306 Speaker 1: has one of the top receivers in all the football. 272 00:12:37,306 --> 00:12:39,466 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and he has another number one receiver and 273 00:12:39,586 --> 00:12:43,106 Speaker 1: DeVante Smith with all those assets on defense. I mean, 274 00:12:43,146 --> 00:12:46,106 Speaker 1: Howie Roseman to me, if he's not Executive of the decade, 275 00:12:46,226 --> 00:12:48,146 Speaker 1: I mean, he's definitely Executive of the year. I'm with 276 00:12:48,186 --> 00:12:50,906 Speaker 1: you there. He's definitely on that shortlist. The four remaining 277 00:12:50,946 --> 00:12:54,626 Speaker 1: gms didn't come from scouting or salary cap So you're like, 278 00:12:54,666 --> 00:12:56,706 Speaker 1: all right, like, how did that happen? Well? Bill Belichick 279 00:12:56,746 --> 00:12:59,986 Speaker 1: head coach the Patriots, he wins some games. You get right, 280 00:13:00,226 --> 00:13:02,946 Speaker 1: that happens? Uh, Jerry Jones to the Cowboys, You're right? 281 00:13:03,026 --> 00:13:07,266 Speaker 1: The checks got a billy at all about at that point. 282 00:13:07,666 --> 00:13:10,666 Speaker 1: John Lynch ad himself pretty good career, fifteen year Hall 283 00:13:10,746 --> 00:13:14,066 Speaker 1: of Fame NFL career as a safety. He's with did 284 00:13:14,106 --> 00:13:17,066 Speaker 1: you hear how he became general manager? Liked he was 285 00:13:17,106 --> 00:13:20,146 Speaker 1: on a podcast that I did before and he said, Yo, 286 00:13:20,306 --> 00:13:21,946 Speaker 1: it was like I knew that for the Niners had 287 00:13:21,986 --> 00:13:24,626 Speaker 1: an opening. I knew they loved Kyle Shanahan. So I 288 00:13:24,706 --> 00:13:27,346 Speaker 1: hit Cole up, like, yo, let's do this man. This 289 00:13:27,386 --> 00:13:28,706 Speaker 1: is what I want to do. This is how I 290 00:13:28,706 --> 00:13:30,826 Speaker 1: think the team should be, he said. Kyle hit me 291 00:13:30,826 --> 00:13:33,186 Speaker 1: back a couple of days later, like, man, you really 292 00:13:33,186 --> 00:13:35,546 Speaker 1: want to do it, Let's do it. And that's how 293 00:13:35,546 --> 00:13:37,706 Speaker 1: I became the general manager. And I think from a 294 00:13:37,786 --> 00:13:40,426 Speaker 1: player's standpoint, again, I love the general managers that gave 295 00:13:40,466 --> 00:13:42,986 Speaker 1: me opportunities in the National Football League. But to have 296 00:13:43,066 --> 00:13:46,666 Speaker 1: a former player knowing that he's leading your organization, knowing 297 00:13:46,666 --> 00:13:49,266 Speaker 1: that he knows exactly what you go through, that's powerful 298 00:13:49,306 --> 00:13:51,226 Speaker 1: and it resonates in the locker room. And they put 299 00:13:51,266 --> 00:13:55,386 Speaker 1: together pretty good team right right now. Man. The roster, 300 00:13:55,466 --> 00:13:56,906 Speaker 1: I mean again, that's one of those things. And I 301 00:13:56,946 --> 00:13:58,746 Speaker 1: know we're gonna talk about until axis, but that's one 302 00:13:58,746 --> 00:14:02,546 Speaker 1: of those things where, yes, you know their quarterback situation 303 00:14:02,626 --> 00:14:05,186 Speaker 1: right now with Jimmy Garoppolo going down, but it almost 304 00:14:05,186 --> 00:14:08,226 Speaker 1: don't matter who quarterback years man, because scheme and roster 305 00:14:08,426 --> 00:14:11,146 Speaker 1: they're pretty legit. You and David Carrs in Potico said 306 00:14:11,146 --> 00:14:13,866 Speaker 1: the same thing. Actually on Anti I was like, damn 307 00:14:14,226 --> 00:14:16,146 Speaker 1: all right, because he was like, Hey, we made this 308 00:14:16,186 --> 00:14:18,506 Speaker 1: all this big thing about you know, Brock Purty and 309 00:14:18,666 --> 00:14:20,946 Speaker 1: he's you know, Mr Irrelevant. The last pick in the 310 00:14:20,986 --> 00:14:22,986 Speaker 1: draft if you don't know what Mr Relevant is and 311 00:14:23,066 --> 00:14:25,026 Speaker 1: just all of a sudden he's got some success and 312 00:14:25,906 --> 00:14:28,506 Speaker 1: and he's gonna have he's gonna have some opportunity to 313 00:14:28,506 --> 00:14:30,746 Speaker 1: play some world time, big time folk. No, I'm with you. 314 00:14:30,786 --> 00:14:33,106 Speaker 1: And one other GM by the way, who also didn't 315 00:14:33,146 --> 00:14:37,666 Speaker 1: come from scouting, as well as Quasi Adopho men Saw, 316 00:14:37,746 --> 00:14:40,906 Speaker 1: who actually started in analytics with the Niners and then 317 00:14:40,906 --> 00:14:43,426 Speaker 1: became the VP of football Operations with the Browns, where 318 00:14:43,426 --> 00:14:46,986 Speaker 1: he worked on roster strategy. So I guess the short 319 00:14:47,026 --> 00:14:49,506 Speaker 1: way of describing this is there's a lot of different 320 00:14:49,506 --> 00:14:52,986 Speaker 1: ways to get to that top. But I'll put you 321 00:14:53,026 --> 00:14:56,466 Speaker 1: on the spot here. If you're Jerry Jones, right, and 322 00:14:56,506 --> 00:14:59,706 Speaker 1: you got the billy so to speak, So you get 323 00:14:59,746 --> 00:15:02,386 Speaker 1: to start an NFL team, you need a general manager, right, 324 00:15:02,586 --> 00:15:04,826 Speaker 1: which angle are you going as the analytics is the 325 00:15:04,906 --> 00:15:07,706 Speaker 1: numbers guy, the guy that's scout. You just loved up 326 00:15:07,746 --> 00:15:10,026 Speaker 1: John Lynch, a former player. How do you assess it? 327 00:15:10,066 --> 00:15:12,666 Speaker 1: What makes the most sense? Well? I know, for me, like, 328 00:15:12,826 --> 00:15:15,226 Speaker 1: I don't think there's a one right answer here. I mean, 329 00:15:15,346 --> 00:15:18,346 Speaker 1: we talked about Howie Roseman being a cap guy. He's 330 00:15:18,386 --> 00:15:20,906 Speaker 1: had success in the National Football league, John Lynch, um 331 00:15:20,986 --> 00:15:23,066 Speaker 1: Ozzie Knew something. He's also a guy that's a that 332 00:15:23,146 --> 00:15:25,946 Speaker 1: took kind of like the former player pass. I would 333 00:15:26,066 --> 00:15:28,826 Speaker 1: take the former player pass just simply because I look 334 00:15:28,866 --> 00:15:33,386 Speaker 1: at the credibility that having a former player in that position, 335 00:15:33,506 --> 00:15:35,386 Speaker 1: the effect that would have on that locker them, and 336 00:15:35,426 --> 00:15:37,866 Speaker 1: I honestly think it makes the business side of things 337 00:15:37,866 --> 00:15:39,666 Speaker 1: a little bit smoother and a little bit easier, just 338 00:15:39,706 --> 00:15:42,986 Speaker 1: simply because if you're sitting at the negotiating table and 339 00:15:43,026 --> 00:15:45,226 Speaker 1: you're with an Ozzy Knew somewhere with a John Lynch, 340 00:15:45,306 --> 00:15:48,626 Speaker 1: and they understand exactly the sacrifice it took for you 341 00:15:48,666 --> 00:15:51,106 Speaker 1: to get there. I just think it makes the business 342 00:15:51,386 --> 00:15:54,626 Speaker 1: side of things smoother because, as you know, I mean, 343 00:15:54,666 --> 00:15:56,506 Speaker 1: the business side of this thing can get personal. They 344 00:15:56,506 --> 00:15:59,226 Speaker 1: can get emotional, and it can have people not being friends. 345 00:15:59,226 --> 00:16:02,186 Speaker 1: I just think that a former player smooths that side 346 00:16:02,186 --> 00:16:04,226 Speaker 1: of the business out a little bit. Is it harder 347 00:16:04,266 --> 00:16:06,266 Speaker 1: for a former player, and it's not to say that 348 00:16:06,306 --> 00:16:08,426 Speaker 1: they can't do it, but is it harder for them 349 00:16:08,466 --> 00:16:11,666 Speaker 1: to think strategically long term? You played, you want to 350 00:16:11,666 --> 00:16:16,026 Speaker 1: win it that game right then, right now? The reality 351 00:16:16,066 --> 00:16:18,626 Speaker 1: is sometimes you gotta make decisions for the long term 352 00:16:18,746 --> 00:16:21,746 Speaker 1: future and success of your franchise as a general manager, 353 00:16:21,946 --> 00:16:24,186 Speaker 1: is it? Do you think harder from a player's perspective 354 00:16:24,186 --> 00:16:25,706 Speaker 1: to be able to flip that off. I do think 355 00:16:25,706 --> 00:16:27,426 Speaker 1: it's a little bit harder from a player perspective to 356 00:16:27,426 --> 00:16:30,466 Speaker 1: flip that off because so much of our lives it's 357 00:16:30,506 --> 00:16:32,386 Speaker 1: all about right now and what you're doing on the 358 00:16:32,426 --> 00:16:35,266 Speaker 1: field right now and having that immediate success. But I 359 00:16:35,306 --> 00:16:38,066 Speaker 1: think that's when you have to have the ability to 360 00:16:38,106 --> 00:16:40,386 Speaker 1: delegate and lean on your staff and lean on the 361 00:16:40,386 --> 00:16:43,226 Speaker 1: people that you have around you to kind of help 362 00:16:43,266 --> 00:16:46,506 Speaker 1: you in that regard. Knowing truly who you are, knowing 363 00:16:46,546 --> 00:16:48,946 Speaker 1: your strengths and weaknesses. I mean, hell that that's not 364 00:16:49,026 --> 00:16:51,106 Speaker 1: just being good and being a general manager. That's good 365 00:16:51,106 --> 00:16:53,466 Speaker 1: in life. Now, all right, still to come here on 366 00:16:53,506 --> 00:16:56,306 Speaker 1: the NFL Explained podcast. I know we dropped John Robinson's name, 367 00:16:56,386 --> 00:16:59,106 Speaker 1: the former Titans general manager. Will dive a little bit 368 00:16:59,146 --> 00:17:02,146 Speaker 1: deeper into some things that have happened around that organization 369 00:17:02,146 --> 00:17:04,506 Speaker 1: which might have led to the fact that he has 370 00:17:04,546 --> 00:17:07,106 Speaker 1: been relieved of his duty. But we'll paint a broad 371 00:17:07,226 --> 00:17:09,986 Speaker 1: picture too on some other general managers and some misses 372 00:17:10,146 --> 00:17:12,106 Speaker 1: as well as some hits. We'll do that coming up 373 00:17:12,106 --> 00:17:21,186 Speaker 1: next on the NFL Explained podcast. All right, I know 374 00:17:21,226 --> 00:17:23,826 Speaker 1: I do it every single episode, but people keep responding 375 00:17:23,866 --> 00:17:25,946 Speaker 1: with it, so I'm going to keep on doing it. 376 00:17:26,146 --> 00:17:28,986 Speaker 1: Mail Bag episode. I don't know where you were going 377 00:17:29,026 --> 00:17:31,906 Speaker 1: with that at first? Is everyone getting tired of me 378 00:17:31,906 --> 00:17:35,786 Speaker 1: promoting this? It's it's all good. I'm getting looks behind 379 00:17:35,786 --> 00:17:38,586 Speaker 1: the glass, good man. I'm in the group text. I 380 00:17:38,666 --> 00:17:40,506 Speaker 1: see that group text at least once or twice a 381 00:17:40,546 --> 00:17:43,346 Speaker 1: week when you see sending one of those inboxes. Yeah, 382 00:17:43,426 --> 00:17:45,826 Speaker 1: keep sending them to yams. Yes. By the way, I 383 00:17:45,826 --> 00:17:47,906 Speaker 1: sit behind the glass. That's such like an old school 384 00:17:47,986 --> 00:17:52,346 Speaker 1: radio term. Our our complete production crew is in another room, 385 00:17:52,386 --> 00:17:54,746 Speaker 1: separated by a glass. Because there's probably kids who don't 386 00:17:54,746 --> 00:17:56,826 Speaker 1: even listen to talk radio. They don't even know what that. 387 00:17:57,066 --> 00:18:01,106 Speaker 1: Kids don't know what talk radio is. That's really so 388 00:18:01,226 --> 00:18:02,866 Speaker 1: that's why I have to explain some of this stuff, 389 00:18:02,866 --> 00:18:05,506 Speaker 1: because all these kids are just listening to podcasts like ours, 390 00:18:05,546 --> 00:18:08,226 Speaker 1: and the way we appreciate the youth of America listening 391 00:18:08,386 --> 00:18:11,706 Speaker 1: and international listeners because I get international d M s 392 00:18:11,746 --> 00:18:13,546 Speaker 1: and yes, you can check the box, I said d 393 00:18:13,746 --> 00:18:17,386 Speaker 1: M again. Our crew sometimes keeps a tab on some 394 00:18:17,386 --> 00:18:19,706 Speaker 1: things that I say repeatedly on the show. That happens 395 00:18:19,746 --> 00:18:21,386 Speaker 1: to be one of them. But in all sincerity, we 396 00:18:21,386 --> 00:18:23,786 Speaker 1: do appreciate the d ms that are I said it again, 397 00:18:24,066 --> 00:18:25,626 Speaker 1: coming our way. If you have a question, don't know 398 00:18:25,626 --> 00:18:28,386 Speaker 1: who to ask, trust me, we are compiling these questions. 399 00:18:28,386 --> 00:18:31,226 Speaker 1: There's another mail bag episode right around the corner. But 400 00:18:31,346 --> 00:18:33,746 Speaker 1: before the break, we were discussed saying a lot of 401 00:18:33,786 --> 00:18:38,026 Speaker 1: the responsibilities the past, the backgrounds of general managers. At 402 00:18:38,026 --> 00:18:40,906 Speaker 1: the top of the show, I made reference to Tennessee 403 00:18:40,946 --> 00:18:43,546 Speaker 1: Titans and the fact that they relieved of their duties 404 00:18:43,746 --> 00:18:47,386 Speaker 1: John Robinson, their general manager. So there's some ways that 405 00:18:47,506 --> 00:18:50,146 Speaker 1: GM can't get fired. I don't know, to be honest 406 00:18:50,186 --> 00:18:53,546 Speaker 1: with you, which boxes John happened to check here. I'm 407 00:18:53,586 --> 00:18:57,546 Speaker 1: just gonna throw some of your way. Um, obvious one 408 00:18:57,586 --> 00:18:59,906 Speaker 1: team didn't perform well teams in first place, So like 409 00:18:59,986 --> 00:19:01,866 Speaker 1: that's that's not that's not one of those, but that 410 00:19:02,026 --> 00:19:04,866 Speaker 1: is for some that's an issue. Um, some draft, bad 411 00:19:04,946 --> 00:19:08,466 Speaker 1: draft picks, a free agent signings or lack of signings. 412 00:19:08,746 --> 00:19:11,986 Speaker 1: Lack of signings, I would say that was a big one. Okay, 413 00:19:12,146 --> 00:19:14,146 Speaker 1: Um A J. Brown will just double down on that. 414 00:19:14,706 --> 00:19:17,026 Speaker 1: Owner doesn't agree with the GM short term, long term 415 00:19:17,106 --> 00:19:18,826 Speaker 1: vision of the team. That could be something that could 416 00:19:18,826 --> 00:19:20,906 Speaker 1: be if A J. Brown was a part of it 417 00:19:20,986 --> 00:19:22,146 Speaker 1: or not a part of it, that could have been 418 00:19:22,146 --> 00:19:24,106 Speaker 1: a part of it. GM and head coaches down on 419 00:19:24,106 --> 00:19:27,186 Speaker 1: the same page and owner has to choose one. Give 420 00:19:27,226 --> 00:19:32,426 Speaker 1: you an example, December, Raiders fired Reggie McKenzie, kept John Gruden, 421 00:19:32,546 --> 00:19:34,346 Speaker 1: and then they brought in Mike Mayok as their new 422 00:19:34,386 --> 00:19:37,466 Speaker 1: general manager. To be fair, for what it's worth, I 423 00:19:37,506 --> 00:19:41,186 Speaker 1: did listen to a large percentage of the press conference 424 00:19:41,506 --> 00:19:43,946 Speaker 1: down in Tennessee, and it doesn't sound like that was 425 00:19:43,946 --> 00:19:47,306 Speaker 1: an issue. It sounded like coach GM relationship was. Rabel 426 00:19:47,906 --> 00:19:53,706 Speaker 1: very very complimentary of Robinson. So I don't again, Mike 427 00:19:53,786 --> 00:19:57,906 Speaker 1: Vrabel doesn't strike me as a person that would air 428 00:19:57,946 --> 00:20:00,746 Speaker 1: out all the dirty laundry. I didn't expect, Mike. I 429 00:20:00,746 --> 00:20:03,106 Speaker 1: didn't expect to get anything from Rabel's press conference. No, 430 00:20:03,346 --> 00:20:05,226 Speaker 1: I'm with you on that one. Uh. The owner wants 431 00:20:05,226 --> 00:20:07,906 Speaker 1: to clean how and new front office, new coaching staff. 432 00:20:07,946 --> 00:20:11,266 Speaker 1: Clearly that's not Yeah, I don't think Rabel's going anywhere. 433 00:20:11,706 --> 00:20:13,626 Speaker 1: Owners think the gym is the right person to run 434 00:20:13,626 --> 00:20:16,826 Speaker 1: the team. Anymore possible, Yeah, possible I'll give you another 435 00:20:16,866 --> 00:20:20,466 Speaker 1: example that Chief's firing their GM John Dorsey in June, 436 00:20:20,706 --> 00:20:25,786 Speaker 1: reportedly due to quote concerns about his communication and management style. Dorsey, 437 00:20:25,786 --> 00:20:28,186 Speaker 1: by the way, at forty twenty one record as a GM, 438 00:20:28,506 --> 00:20:31,186 Speaker 1: so he was a winner. He must have MF a 439 00:20:31,186 --> 00:20:34,306 Speaker 1: bunch of people in that building. Yep, that had to 440 00:20:34,346 --> 00:20:37,586 Speaker 1: be it. Man, cool to you. I've not heard someone 441 00:20:37,786 --> 00:20:41,186 Speaker 1: use the MF on this show. I'll take it. I'll 442 00:20:41,266 --> 00:20:44,186 Speaker 1: take it, and do not let that out of this 443 00:20:44,266 --> 00:20:48,706 Speaker 1: episode of the NFL podcast. You have you ever been 444 00:20:48,986 --> 00:20:52,306 Speaker 1: on a team where the GMF. Yes, Scott mccluen um. 445 00:20:52,306 --> 00:20:54,386 Speaker 1: He got fired in two thousand nine, and that's when 446 00:20:54,386 --> 00:20:58,066 Speaker 1: Trent Bauky kind of took over. And look, I love Scott, 447 00:20:58,186 --> 00:21:00,986 Speaker 1: but we were terrible, Like we didn't win any games. 448 00:21:01,266 --> 00:21:04,306 Speaker 1: Like I was a player on the team and I'm like, dude, 449 00:21:04,866 --> 00:21:07,506 Speaker 1: we're not that good right now. But I'm looking around 450 00:21:07,586 --> 00:21:10,146 Speaker 1: and it's like we got Patrick Willis, He's like excellent, 451 00:21:10,186 --> 00:21:13,426 Speaker 1: he's great. We got Cowboy Justin Smith, like, you know, 452 00:21:13,466 --> 00:21:16,506 Speaker 1: we got these guys everywhere. And then what a year 453 00:21:16,546 --> 00:21:18,986 Speaker 1: and a half later, they make one switch at the 454 00:21:19,026 --> 00:21:21,746 Speaker 1: coaching position called har Ball comes in and you bring 455 00:21:22,066 --> 00:21:25,746 Speaker 1: Kaepernick in the same roster now elevates themselves to a 456 00:21:25,786 --> 00:21:28,946 Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Yeah, and sometimes it's about fit. We've talked 457 00:21:28,986 --> 00:21:32,066 Speaker 1: about players on previous episodes and where they end up 458 00:21:32,106 --> 00:21:34,226 Speaker 1: with certain teams. We were talking about this with quarterbacks. 459 00:21:34,266 --> 00:21:37,466 Speaker 1: Sometimes you end up in the circumstances that are just 460 00:21:37,666 --> 00:21:40,106 Speaker 1: perfect for you. And case in point and obvious one 461 00:21:40,146 --> 00:21:42,106 Speaker 1: that I think I used even as an example in 462 00:21:42,146 --> 00:21:44,386 Speaker 1: that episode to a right to struggle little bit all 463 00:21:44,386 --> 00:21:46,266 Speaker 1: of a sudden, like Daniels comes in and guess what 464 00:21:46,346 --> 00:21:50,106 Speaker 1: to is now having a great season. You touched a 465 00:21:50,106 --> 00:21:52,506 Speaker 1: little bit on Robinson. You said, Hey, maybe it's the A. J. 466 00:21:52,586 --> 00:21:57,586 Speaker 1: Brown situation. Maybe it's something else, but is there Look, 467 00:21:57,586 --> 00:21:59,346 Speaker 1: we'll go through some of the hits and the misses here, 468 00:21:59,386 --> 00:22:03,746 Speaker 1: but just generally speaking, in this situation, the timing of 469 00:22:03,786 --> 00:22:06,986 Speaker 1: it is that maybe the most surprised. That's the most 470 00:22:06,986 --> 00:22:11,826 Speaker 1: surprising for me because to me, like nothing changed the A. J. 471 00:22:11,986 --> 00:22:14,946 Speaker 1: Brown that trade happened with on Draft Day, Like that 472 00:22:15,226 --> 00:22:17,066 Speaker 1: is what it is. It's nothing you can really do 473 00:22:17,106 --> 00:22:19,506 Speaker 1: about it. Now. You knew what that trade was all 474 00:22:19,546 --> 00:22:22,266 Speaker 1: season and you're in first place. I think it was 475 00:22:23,186 --> 00:22:25,266 Speaker 1: and I know we we live in an environment, living 476 00:22:25,306 --> 00:22:27,066 Speaker 1: a world where you know, it's what have you done 477 00:22:27,066 --> 00:22:29,826 Speaker 1: for me lately? I just think that game A J. 478 00:22:29,986 --> 00:22:33,786 Speaker 1: Brown eight receptions, a hundred nineteen yards, two touchdowns. He 479 00:22:33,946 --> 00:22:37,906 Speaker 1: talked trash the entire time, and I think it was that. 480 00:22:38,026 --> 00:22:40,826 Speaker 1: I think it was the display of A J. Brown 481 00:22:40,986 --> 00:22:44,346 Speaker 1: just saying, y'all could have had me. The dude didn't 482 00:22:44,346 --> 00:22:46,066 Speaker 1: want to go anywhere. I know guys in that Tennessee 483 00:22:46,146 --> 00:22:48,706 Speaker 1: locker room. I know guys in the Philadelphia Eaquals locker room. 484 00:22:48,826 --> 00:22:51,546 Speaker 1: He didn't want to go anywhere. He wanted to stay there. 485 00:22:51,786 --> 00:22:55,466 Speaker 1: Every guy who gets drafted to a team and the 486 00:22:55,506 --> 00:22:57,746 Speaker 1: team starts to see some success, we won't go nowhere. 487 00:22:57,826 --> 00:22:59,706 Speaker 1: We want to get paid by the team that drafted me. 488 00:23:00,146 --> 00:23:02,906 Speaker 1: I like the store that I go to every single morning. 489 00:23:03,026 --> 00:23:04,786 Speaker 1: Like that, you know what I mean? You like your routine. 490 00:23:04,866 --> 00:23:07,026 Speaker 1: He didn't want to go anywhere. He was surprised, and 491 00:23:07,066 --> 00:23:09,466 Speaker 1: I think, if I'm not mistaken, I think Mike Rabel 492 00:23:09,906 --> 00:23:11,906 Speaker 1: said on draft day or something like that, as long 493 00:23:11,906 --> 00:23:13,586 Speaker 1: as I'm the coach, A J. Brown a going to 494 00:23:13,626 --> 00:23:16,586 Speaker 1: where something like that, and then the trade actually happens. 495 00:23:17,026 --> 00:23:18,626 Speaker 1: And I just think it just got to a point 496 00:23:18,706 --> 00:23:21,746 Speaker 1: on Sunday, whereas like the owner was like, I'm not 497 00:23:21,786 --> 00:23:23,746 Speaker 1: taking it anymore. Can I throw something in your way? 498 00:23:24,026 --> 00:23:27,226 Speaker 1: So I'm hearing you talk about this, and I'm automatically 499 00:23:27,266 --> 00:23:30,026 Speaker 1: thinking about Brown and the replacement in a rookie and 500 00:23:30,026 --> 00:23:36,546 Speaker 1: trailing Burke's I'm wondering if Robinson is getting judged not 501 00:23:36,706 --> 00:23:39,466 Speaker 1: just on that pick. Obviously it's the totality of your work. 502 00:23:39,746 --> 00:23:42,786 Speaker 1: But we've seen young wide receivers in year one year 503 00:23:42,826 --> 00:23:46,666 Speaker 1: to really thrive where you start thinking to yourself, all right, 504 00:23:46,706 --> 00:23:48,186 Speaker 1: maybe I'm just really good at this whole deal. I 505 00:23:48,226 --> 00:23:49,706 Speaker 1: just go get another guy. Why am I gonna go 506 00:23:49,746 --> 00:23:51,426 Speaker 1: and pay a j when I can get a rookie 507 00:23:51,546 --> 00:23:54,026 Speaker 1: pay him a rookie deal and he's still gonna ball out. 508 00:23:54,226 --> 00:23:56,826 Speaker 1: And you almost got sucked into the success of some 509 00:23:56,866 --> 00:23:58,386 Speaker 1: of these other guys. I think Burks, I don't know 510 00:23:58,426 --> 00:24:00,186 Speaker 1: off the top of my head. I think it's two touchdowns. 511 00:24:00,386 --> 00:24:02,546 Speaker 1: He caught one the other week and then he recovered 512 00:24:02,586 --> 00:24:05,346 Speaker 1: a fumble in the end zone first score. The reality 513 00:24:05,386 --> 00:24:08,146 Speaker 1: is a pret action from trailing Burks isn't what Tennessee 514 00:24:08,306 --> 00:24:10,706 Speaker 1: clearly hoped that they were getting. But how much do 515 00:24:10,746 --> 00:24:12,946 Speaker 1: you think that's a factor in all I think. I 516 00:24:12,946 --> 00:24:15,946 Speaker 1: think it's a huge factor. I think if tray Lion 517 00:24:16,026 --> 00:24:19,146 Speaker 1: Burks had, you know, come out and had a Jamaar 518 00:24:19,346 --> 00:24:22,026 Speaker 1: Chase type of a rookie season, John Robinson would still 519 00:24:22,026 --> 00:24:28,946 Speaker 1: be the general when with Mike wait, all of those guys, man, 520 00:24:29,146 --> 00:24:31,746 Speaker 1: I mean, we're getting to a point where of the 521 00:24:31,786 --> 00:24:35,026 Speaker 1: wide receiver position, it is almost like the running back position. Right, 522 00:24:35,066 --> 00:24:36,626 Speaker 1: if you're elite, you know what I mean, you can 523 00:24:36,666 --> 00:24:39,906 Speaker 1: find one of those guys. I just think that the 524 00:24:40,346 --> 00:24:43,106 Speaker 1: nature and how A J. Brown showed off. I mean, 525 00:24:43,146 --> 00:24:45,506 Speaker 1: there was a great clip of Mike Rabel giving him 526 00:24:45,506 --> 00:24:47,306 Speaker 1: a hug before the game. I don't know what was saying, 527 00:24:47,306 --> 00:24:49,826 Speaker 1: but I can only imagine what was said. I think 528 00:24:49,826 --> 00:24:51,426 Speaker 1: he said, man, I didn't want to let you go. 529 00:24:51,506 --> 00:24:53,466 Speaker 1: You know, I love you. You know what I'm saying, 530 00:24:53,506 --> 00:24:55,626 Speaker 1: And we're gonna handle this thing on Monday. That's what 531 00:24:55,666 --> 00:24:57,426 Speaker 1: I think you said. So I think my breaker knew 532 00:24:57,506 --> 00:25:00,306 Speaker 1: something on Sunday. You know what I'm saying. But again 533 00:25:00,346 --> 00:25:03,346 Speaker 1: that's just my personal opinion. But A J. Brown, man, 534 00:25:03,426 --> 00:25:06,706 Speaker 1: I just you had the money to pay him. It 535 00:25:06,866 --> 00:25:10,306 Speaker 1: wasn't gonna break the bank. And you talk about the 536 00:25:10,306 --> 00:25:14,426 Speaker 1: explosive plays missing from this offense. Maybe maybe they got 537 00:25:14,426 --> 00:25:17,226 Speaker 1: the wrong quarterback. Maybe they could have paid say Brown, 538 00:25:17,266 --> 00:25:20,066 Speaker 1: who found another quarterback, and maybe they've had more success. 539 00:25:27,226 --> 00:25:29,826 Speaker 1: All right, Welcome back to the NFL Explained podcasts. Mike 540 00:25:29,906 --> 00:25:33,066 Speaker 1: Yam and Rob with you. So look, we talked about 541 00:25:33,066 --> 00:25:35,666 Speaker 1: some of the misses here and that being one of 542 00:25:35,706 --> 00:25:38,106 Speaker 1: them on the Brown situation. There's a lot of really 543 00:25:38,106 --> 00:25:40,746 Speaker 1: good that Robinson did when he was hired in to 544 00:25:40,746 --> 00:25:42,986 Speaker 1: be these team's general manager. Here's a couple of these things. 545 00:25:42,986 --> 00:25:46,386 Speaker 1: Promoted to executive vice president in seventeen. By the way, 546 00:25:46,546 --> 00:25:49,826 Speaker 1: he was just given in February a contract extension that 547 00:25:49,906 --> 00:25:52,866 Speaker 1: runs through seven, so there's still five years remaining on 548 00:25:52,906 --> 00:25:59,146 Speaker 1: the deal. That's guns good a man for about a month, 549 00:25:59,386 --> 00:26:02,666 Speaker 1: you know what, I man going to the came now 550 00:26:02,706 --> 00:26:06,506 Speaker 1: there's something hanging out, man, do do some yoga. Since 551 00:26:06,546 --> 00:26:11,146 Speaker 1: twenties sixteen, Titans record sixty three. I'll take that. The 552 00:26:11,226 --> 00:26:14,746 Speaker 1: sixty point six percent win percentage ninth highest in the 553 00:26:14,866 --> 00:26:18,946 Speaker 1: NFL four playoff experiences nine plus wins every season, one 554 00:26:18,986 --> 00:26:21,666 Speaker 1: of two teams with a winning record every single season, 555 00:26:21,746 --> 00:26:25,986 Speaker 1: along with Kansas City third best win percentage for teams 556 00:26:25,986 --> 00:26:28,626 Speaker 1: with the winning percentage of at least fifty, only behind 557 00:26:28,946 --> 00:26:30,946 Speaker 1: the Chiefs in New England. Last time I checked pretty 558 00:26:30,946 --> 00:26:33,626 Speaker 1: good squads. Well, I gotta tell you, like the team 559 00:26:33,666 --> 00:26:36,266 Speaker 1: actually looked in first place in that division. I know 560 00:26:36,266 --> 00:26:39,466 Speaker 1: we keeps saying this, it's surprising, it is surprising, but yeah, 561 00:26:39,746 --> 00:26:44,186 Speaker 1: I could challenge you. I could argue Andrew Luck helped 562 00:26:44,466 --> 00:26:48,146 Speaker 1: the Titans out. Just the fact that he retired to me, 563 00:26:48,186 --> 00:26:50,106 Speaker 1: and I said it on this podcast before, is set 564 00:26:50,106 --> 00:26:52,826 Speaker 1: the Internat's colts back twenty years. I could argue the 565 00:26:52,866 --> 00:26:55,426 Speaker 1: fact that Deshaun Watson and all the strife with the 566 00:26:55,546 --> 00:26:58,426 Speaker 1: Houston Texas and that just being a you know, uh 567 00:26:59,026 --> 00:27:02,426 Speaker 1: some some lack of leadership in that organization that helped 568 00:27:02,586 --> 00:27:04,386 Speaker 1: that record. So again, I want to take anything away 569 00:27:04,386 --> 00:27:06,546 Speaker 1: from John Robinson's tenure, because I think he did a 570 00:27:06,546 --> 00:27:10,266 Speaker 1: great job, but there were some peripheral circumstances that helped 571 00:27:10,266 --> 00:27:12,746 Speaker 1: that record. Okay, so I just loved up his record. 572 00:27:12,866 --> 00:27:14,906 Speaker 1: I do think it's important to kind of paint the 573 00:27:15,066 --> 00:27:18,066 Speaker 1: entire picture you just mentioned Ryan Tannehill. I think about 574 00:27:18,066 --> 00:27:21,386 Speaker 1: Marcus Mariota. He had some time did not find the 575 00:27:21,426 --> 00:27:24,186 Speaker 1: franchise quarterback to be fair. I think there's a lot 576 00:27:24,186 --> 00:27:25,746 Speaker 1: of teams in the NFL that are looking for their 577 00:27:25,746 --> 00:27:29,386 Speaker 1: franchise quarterback as well. Made the decision the trade A J. Brown. 578 00:27:29,666 --> 00:27:33,866 Speaker 1: Notable draft misses here, uh first round offensive tackle and 579 00:27:33,946 --> 00:27:37,306 Speaker 1: say Wilson played one snap in the NFL. I remember 580 00:27:37,466 --> 00:27:41,506 Speaker 1: this one killed Farley, only started two games. A lot 581 00:27:41,506 --> 00:27:45,026 Speaker 1: of injuries there. You can make an argument the roster 582 00:27:45,386 --> 00:27:47,986 Speaker 1: is declined, like what's that window for this team? I 583 00:27:47,986 --> 00:27:51,546 Speaker 1: would argue it's right now, and maybe that also is 584 00:27:51,706 --> 00:27:53,386 Speaker 1: part of the reason why they wanted to go in 585 00:27:53,426 --> 00:27:56,786 Speaker 1: that direction. One other fascinating wrinkle here, we actually saw 586 00:27:56,946 --> 00:28:01,466 Speaker 1: some roster movement right after Robinson was released of his duties. 587 00:28:01,626 --> 00:28:04,626 Speaker 1: Fullback Tory Carter played nine games this season, not with 588 00:28:04,666 --> 00:28:07,466 Speaker 1: the team anymore. He was waived. They waved a slew 589 00:28:07,466 --> 00:28:09,426 Speaker 1: of players. I guess it's my point here at surprised 590 00:28:09,546 --> 00:28:12,866 Speaker 1: by that, Um, I'm not surprised. They were probably some 591 00:28:12,946 --> 00:28:16,106 Speaker 1: guys that John stood on the table for and you know, 592 00:28:16,626 --> 00:28:18,706 Speaker 1: he had some background with some history with and they 593 00:28:18,706 --> 00:28:21,426 Speaker 1: were probably his guys. And I know you mentioned this, 594 00:28:21,506 --> 00:28:24,226 Speaker 1: but I gotta go back the trade details of A. J. 595 00:28:24,386 --> 00:28:27,586 Speaker 1: Brown again. What was that the trade details? So they 596 00:28:27,666 --> 00:28:30,586 Speaker 1: dealt in the Philadelphia first round pick with one first round, 597 00:28:30,746 --> 00:28:34,586 Speaker 1: one first rounder, and a third round. That's it. That's it, 598 00:28:35,066 --> 00:28:39,066 Speaker 1: fair duds bawling, that's it. I mean to me, he's 599 00:28:39,186 --> 00:28:42,226 Speaker 1: in the class of player like a Tyriquel. I'm not 600 00:28:42,306 --> 00:28:44,506 Speaker 1: saying he's better or what, but he's in the class. 601 00:28:44,546 --> 00:28:47,426 Speaker 1: And you look at what Tyreek Hill was traded for 602 00:28:47,986 --> 00:28:51,026 Speaker 1: five draft pickers. Trade a first rounder, a second rounder, 603 00:28:52,066 --> 00:28:56,906 Speaker 1: and a six I mean, get something more back for 604 00:28:57,026 --> 00:29:00,306 Speaker 1: this kid, man, And then maybe you know, Rabel and 605 00:29:00,386 --> 00:29:03,066 Speaker 1: the owner would have looked at him and said, Okay, 606 00:29:03,146 --> 00:29:05,666 Speaker 1: at least, yeah, we gave up an explosive player. But man, 607 00:29:06,186 --> 00:29:08,186 Speaker 1: look at what we got in return. We can work 608 00:29:08,266 --> 00:29:09,826 Speaker 1: with this. I just don't think they got enough. I 609 00:29:09,866 --> 00:29:11,546 Speaker 1: think it's criminal that they only got a first and 610 00:29:11,626 --> 00:29:13,746 Speaker 1: the third. So I'm gonna play Devil's advocate here. And 611 00:29:13,866 --> 00:29:16,026 Speaker 1: by the way, I actually agree with you the asking price. 612 00:29:16,146 --> 00:29:17,906 Speaker 1: Maybe they could have gotten a little bit more, but 613 00:29:18,066 --> 00:29:23,866 Speaker 1: I'm look sixty three catches for him, seventy catches in 614 00:29:23,906 --> 00:29:27,706 Speaker 1: the year before that, fifty two catches in those three seasons. 615 00:29:27,786 --> 00:29:30,186 Speaker 1: Two of them were one thousand yards seasons. If you 616 00:29:30,266 --> 00:29:33,146 Speaker 1: go off of like recency bias, and it just it 617 00:29:33,306 --> 00:29:34,866 Speaker 1: is what it is. When you're coming off of a 618 00:29:34,946 --> 00:29:37,626 Speaker 1: year where you have eight hundred and sixty nine receiving 619 00:29:37,706 --> 00:29:41,626 Speaker 1: yards and five touchdowns, not exactly Tyreek production. So maybe 620 00:29:41,746 --> 00:29:44,426 Speaker 1: a shrewd move from Harry Roseman to go, hey, look 621 00:29:44,466 --> 00:29:46,066 Speaker 1: at what this dude just did. I'm not giving you 622 00:29:46,186 --> 00:29:48,906 Speaker 1: multiple first round picks. You're not getting Tyreek package for 623 00:29:48,946 --> 00:29:51,146 Speaker 1: a guy that didn't hit a thousand yards last season. 624 00:29:51,266 --> 00:29:54,386 Speaker 1: And and yeah, when you're doing negotiations, I would I 625 00:29:54,466 --> 00:29:56,546 Speaker 1: can agree, I could, I could hear that. But then 626 00:29:56,586 --> 00:29:58,386 Speaker 1: you hold on a J. Brown, you don't let him go. 627 00:29:58,466 --> 00:30:01,226 Speaker 1: He's just that important of a player, man like to me, 628 00:30:01,346 --> 00:30:03,146 Speaker 1: that has something to do with this, Okay, just something 629 00:30:03,186 --> 00:30:06,106 Speaker 1: else to throw out there. Titans owner Amy Adams Strunk 630 00:30:06,146 --> 00:30:08,946 Speaker 1: actually had this to say in a statement since becoming 631 00:30:08,986 --> 00:30:11,746 Speaker 1: controlling owner, in my goal has been to raise the 632 00:30:11,826 --> 00:30:14,786 Speaker 1: standard for what is expected in all facets of our organization. 633 00:30:15,146 --> 00:30:18,506 Speaker 1: I believe we've made significant progress both on and off 634 00:30:18,586 --> 00:30:21,946 Speaker 1: the field through investment in leadership, personnel, and new ideas. 635 00:30:22,066 --> 00:30:24,946 Speaker 1: This progress includes the core of our business, the football 636 00:30:25,026 --> 00:30:29,266 Speaker 1: team itself, which is regularly evaluated both on results, wins, 637 00:30:29,306 --> 00:30:33,026 Speaker 1: and losses and team constructure slash roster building. I am 638 00:30:33,146 --> 00:30:35,146 Speaker 1: proud of what we have accomplished in my eight seasons 639 00:30:35,186 --> 00:30:37,386 Speaker 1: of ownership, but I believe there's more to be done 640 00:30:37,466 --> 00:30:39,786 Speaker 1: in higher aspirations to be met. I want to thank 641 00:30:39,866 --> 00:30:42,786 Speaker 1: John for his dedicated work to set this organization on 642 00:30:42,866 --> 00:30:45,386 Speaker 1: an upward trajectory, and I wish him and his family 643 00:30:45,826 --> 00:30:48,746 Speaker 1: the best. One other note here, NFL network insider Tom 644 00:30:48,826 --> 00:30:51,826 Speaker 1: Pellicero put this out. He said, my understanding is Titan's 645 00:30:51,866 --> 00:30:54,786 Speaker 1: brass wasn't happy with the direction of the roster assembled 646 00:30:54,826 --> 00:30:57,746 Speaker 1: by John Robinson and decided to make a change despite 647 00:30:57,866 --> 00:31:01,306 Speaker 1: leading the a f C South. There's some other things 648 00:31:01,426 --> 00:31:04,066 Speaker 1: you can also speculate about. I'll let you kind of 649 00:31:04,146 --> 00:31:06,346 Speaker 1: go and do that, but your reaction, because it seems 650 00:31:06,386 --> 00:31:10,986 Speaker 1: like her statement is a touch benign in general, it is, 651 00:31:11,146 --> 00:31:13,826 Speaker 1: and it just seems like they you know what they said, 652 00:31:13,826 --> 00:31:15,346 Speaker 1: you know what, we want to go in a different direction. 653 00:31:15,586 --> 00:31:17,586 Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and rip the band hit off right now. 654 00:31:18,186 --> 00:31:20,746 Speaker 1: Let's said best said, and uh, let's just try to 655 00:31:20,826 --> 00:31:23,706 Speaker 1: turn the page real quick and nothing to see here 656 00:31:23,946 --> 00:31:26,226 Speaker 1: type of a deal, and let's just move on all right. 657 00:31:26,266 --> 00:31:27,826 Speaker 1: Earlier in this podcast, you told me you've been a 658 00:31:27,866 --> 00:31:29,786 Speaker 1: part of a team that made a change at the 659 00:31:29,826 --> 00:31:32,666 Speaker 1: general manager spot. What does it do for this team? 660 00:31:32,746 --> 00:31:35,506 Speaker 1: Do you think in the locker room? Oh? Man, um 661 00:31:35,786 --> 00:31:38,386 Speaker 1: it what what it does for this team? I think 662 00:31:38,466 --> 00:31:40,986 Speaker 1: it says we got a hell of a head coach, 663 00:31:41,106 --> 00:31:43,066 Speaker 1: and Mike Treble, I do think that he'll take on 664 00:31:43,146 --> 00:31:46,106 Speaker 1: a little bit more in roster construction and team building 665 00:31:46,146 --> 00:31:47,946 Speaker 1: and things like that. I think he'll get more power 666 00:31:48,426 --> 00:31:51,786 Speaker 1: in this particular situation. But also think that it sends 667 00:31:51,826 --> 00:31:53,986 Speaker 1: the message to this locker room that is not enough. 668 00:31:54,306 --> 00:31:57,186 Speaker 1: What we've done, what we've accomplished, is not enough. We're 669 00:31:57,226 --> 00:32:00,786 Speaker 1: in the business of winning championships, super Bowls. Were not 670 00:32:00,906 --> 00:32:03,826 Speaker 1: happy we're just getting the one conference championship. We're not 671 00:32:03,906 --> 00:32:06,306 Speaker 1: happy we're just winning the division a few years in 672 00:32:06,346 --> 00:32:08,986 Speaker 1: a row and losing to Kansas City or Buffalo in 673 00:32:09,026 --> 00:32:11,906 Speaker 1: the playoffs. It's not good enough. And I think that 674 00:32:12,026 --> 00:32:14,266 Speaker 1: message will be received clearly by the leaders in that 675 00:32:14,386 --> 00:32:16,146 Speaker 1: locker room and they won't step up and play better 676 00:32:16,226 --> 00:32:18,786 Speaker 1: for Yeah, and hopefully we see some more explosive plays 677 00:32:18,946 --> 00:32:21,706 Speaker 1: from that team's offense as well, because they are You 678 00:32:21,786 --> 00:32:24,706 Speaker 1: and I talked about this on the NFL Total Access Podcast. 679 00:32:24,866 --> 00:32:27,666 Speaker 1: It's like this team is built for old school playoff 680 00:32:27,666 --> 00:32:30,786 Speaker 1: football and maybe not new school. And what I mean 681 00:32:30,866 --> 00:32:33,186 Speaker 1: by that for some of our newer listeners who who 682 00:32:33,226 --> 00:32:35,866 Speaker 1: maybe are new to football, ground and pound, right, Derrick 683 00:32:35,906 --> 00:32:38,266 Speaker 1: Henry just a monster. If I need to get up 684 00:32:38,306 --> 00:32:40,986 Speaker 1: and down the field in less than a minute, and 685 00:32:41,066 --> 00:32:43,546 Speaker 1: we got some teams that can do that offensively, I 686 00:32:43,586 --> 00:32:45,186 Speaker 1: don't know if the Titans are one of those squads. 687 00:32:45,266 --> 00:32:47,186 Speaker 1: I don't either. And again, even when you want to 688 00:32:47,266 --> 00:32:49,586 Speaker 1: run the football like they do want to run the football, 689 00:32:49,906 --> 00:32:52,586 Speaker 1: you still need half space in the offense. There has 690 00:32:52,666 --> 00:32:55,946 Speaker 1: to be an explosive element right now, when a J well, 691 00:32:56,026 --> 00:32:57,946 Speaker 1: when a J. Brown was on this team, safety will 692 00:32:57,986 --> 00:33:01,146 Speaker 1: sit at about fourteen or fifteen yards, which that gives 693 00:33:01,546 --> 00:33:04,106 Speaker 1: this offense fourteen and fifteen yards of space to run 694 00:33:04,186 --> 00:33:06,946 Speaker 1: the football now safe just then about nine to ten yards. 695 00:33:07,186 --> 00:33:09,226 Speaker 1: That's not a lot of space for Derrick Henry to 696 00:33:09,306 --> 00:33:11,386 Speaker 1: do work. Now, you know, I know we've spent a 697 00:33:11,386 --> 00:33:12,986 Speaker 1: lot of time talking about Robinson. I do want to 698 00:33:13,026 --> 00:33:15,746 Speaker 1: highlight some gms. There's obviously a ton that are doing 699 00:33:16,186 --> 00:33:19,346 Speaker 1: really just Yeoman's working are having success. Just to throw 700 00:33:19,386 --> 00:33:22,306 Speaker 1: out some names, here Chiefs. Brett Beach actually a seven 701 00:33:22,426 --> 00:33:26,866 Speaker 1: forty two win percentage, Bill Belichick six seventy six win percentage. 702 00:33:26,906 --> 00:33:28,626 Speaker 1: We know what he's been able to accomplish in New 703 00:33:28,626 --> 00:33:31,506 Speaker 1: England for a long period of time. Erica Costa six 704 00:33:31,586 --> 00:33:34,426 Speaker 1: seven two win percentage with the Ravens Packers, gam Brian 705 00:33:34,466 --> 00:33:36,306 Speaker 1: Gouna Coust. You know he's been making a lot of 706 00:33:36,346 --> 00:33:39,546 Speaker 1: headlines with the arn Rodgers situation in this offseason. His 707 00:33:39,706 --> 00:33:42,186 Speaker 1: team has obviously had a ton of success. The Bills, 708 00:33:42,226 --> 00:33:45,226 Speaker 1: Brandon Bean and know all about what that team has 709 00:33:45,266 --> 00:33:49,186 Speaker 1: been able to accomplish. Isn't it interesting though, Ravens, Packers, 710 00:33:49,546 --> 00:33:51,306 Speaker 1: Bills is why don't you know all of them have 711 00:33:51,386 --> 00:33:54,426 Speaker 1: pretty good quarterbacks. And again that's the key. Now if 712 00:33:54,426 --> 00:33:56,346 Speaker 1: you're a general manager, or you're an up and coming 713 00:33:56,386 --> 00:33:59,066 Speaker 1: general manager or a new general manager, the key is 714 00:33:59,706 --> 00:34:02,106 Speaker 1: getting yourself And I was I mean this in a 715 00:34:02,346 --> 00:34:06,226 Speaker 1: you know, in uh, I don't know, a different type 716 00:34:06,226 --> 00:34:09,466 Speaker 1: of like getting married to that quarterback man. You find 717 00:34:09,546 --> 00:34:12,106 Speaker 1: your guy in his job security. And by the way, 718 00:34:12,266 --> 00:34:14,626 Speaker 1: m Rob, you and I actually have an episode coming 719 00:34:14,706 --> 00:34:16,506 Speaker 1: up in a couple of weeks about the art of 720 00:34:16,666 --> 00:34:19,466 Speaker 1: drafting a quarterbacks. So for as much as we're talking 721 00:34:19,466 --> 00:34:22,746 Speaker 1: about GMS and draft capital and the success that they've had, 722 00:34:23,346 --> 00:34:25,906 Speaker 1: getting a quarterback really really important. So that one's coming 723 00:34:25,946 --> 00:34:27,826 Speaker 1: out in a couple of weeks. Just be on the 724 00:34:27,946 --> 00:34:30,946 Speaker 1: lookout for that one, um. And look one other note 725 00:34:30,986 --> 00:34:33,266 Speaker 1: here too, because we've done some Hall of Fame episodes 726 00:34:33,426 --> 00:34:35,466 Speaker 1: as well. Just keep in mind you can be a 727 00:34:35,546 --> 00:34:39,706 Speaker 1: general manager and still getting dried like that has happened here. 728 00:34:39,866 --> 00:34:42,346 Speaker 1: Just to throw some names your way. One that I 729 00:34:42,386 --> 00:34:45,386 Speaker 1: actually catch on radio fairly often. Bill Polian, who was 730 00:34:45,426 --> 00:34:47,186 Speaker 1: with the Bills and Hampers and the Coals like that, 731 00:34:47,266 --> 00:34:49,066 Speaker 1: dude's still out there. Like to me, of the list 732 00:34:49,106 --> 00:34:51,666 Speaker 1: and I'll go through it here, he's one that stands out. 733 00:34:52,146 --> 00:34:54,466 Speaker 1: He's like to go. I even think teams that are 734 00:34:54,546 --> 00:34:56,946 Speaker 1: looking for general managers call him and just say, hey, 735 00:34:56,986 --> 00:34:59,386 Speaker 1: can you talk to the guys that we're thinking about 736 00:34:59,466 --> 00:35:01,666 Speaker 1: trying to get as a general manager. He's a great dude. Yeah. 737 00:35:01,706 --> 00:35:03,786 Speaker 1: Some other names, Bobby Bethard who was with the Redskins 738 00:35:03,826 --> 00:35:06,306 Speaker 1: and the Chargers, Jim Finks back in you know, the 739 00:35:06,586 --> 00:35:08,906 Speaker 1: sixties and seventies and the eighties, the Vikings, the Bears, 740 00:35:08,906 --> 00:35:12,706 Speaker 1: and the Saints. Textram from the Cowboys, Ron Wolf of 741 00:35:12,746 --> 00:35:16,826 Speaker 1: the Packers, George Young of the Giants. So pretty good collection. 742 00:35:16,986 --> 00:35:20,386 Speaker 1: That is a pretty good collection. That's the guy that 743 00:35:20,626 --> 00:35:23,306 Speaker 1: the Packers still are using a lot of his draft 744 00:35:23,466 --> 00:35:26,386 Speaker 1: principles right now. So it's pretty cool. Yeah, it's kind 745 00:35:26,386 --> 00:35:28,626 Speaker 1: of crazy when you think about that type of success 746 00:35:28,746 --> 00:35:30,986 Speaker 1: and the impact that you can have and it it 747 00:35:31,106 --> 00:35:35,106 Speaker 1: carries over decades. Really really cool. I always appreciate you 748 00:35:35,226 --> 00:35:38,426 Speaker 1: guys listening to this episode once again. The role of 749 00:35:38,506 --> 00:35:41,426 Speaker 1: a GM. ME and m Rob did our best. We 750 00:35:41,546 --> 00:35:44,746 Speaker 1: tried really hard. Hopefully we delivered for you could follow 751 00:35:44,866 --> 00:35:47,906 Speaker 1: him on social media at Real Mike Rob, at Mike 752 00:35:47,986 --> 00:35:49,826 Speaker 1: Underscore Yam, you can send me those d ms with 753 00:35:49,866 --> 00:35:52,946 Speaker 1: any of your questions. The role of a GM explained