WEBVTT - Uncalm and Uncollected 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:14.400 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Woka f Daily with 0:00:14.480 --> 0:00:18.639 Meet your Girl Danielle Moody recording from the Bunker, Folks. 0:00:18.800 --> 0:00:23.360 I am fucking pissed. I am pissed at the fact 0:00:23.400 --> 0:00:27.640 that I am losing literal sleep, that I am feeling 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:32.640 emotionally unwell, that I have friends and family telling me 0:00:32.880 --> 0:00:36.519 that their young ones are afraid to go to school, 0:00:37.400 --> 0:00:40.520 that they are terrified that a bad man is going 0:00:40.600 --> 0:00:43.839 to come and get them, and that there is no way, 0:00:44.360 --> 0:00:48.879 no way for those that are caring for young children, 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:52.640 for parents and caregivers to be able to tell children 0:00:54.160 --> 0:00:57.520 that they are safe, because it would be a fucking lie. 0:00:58.680 --> 0:01:01.959 And why is that so? Why do we now have 0:01:02.040 --> 0:01:05.360 to lie to our children to tell them though no, no, 0:01:05.360 --> 0:01:07.880 no one's going to come into your school. How do 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:10.600 you say that we have to lie to them? Because otherwise, 0:01:11.400 --> 0:01:15.240 what's the alternative for them to live in a consistent 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:17.760 state of fear, which they already have, for them to 0:01:17.920 --> 0:01:27.920 develop serious emotional and mental illness, depression, anxiety, grief. We 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:33.880 are asking fourth graders to cover themselves in the blood 0:01:33.920 --> 0:01:39.000 of their friends because our lawmakers are craven, fucking cowards. 0:01:40.440 --> 0:01:47.520 I am so filled with rage. Garnel Whitfield testified before 0:01:47.960 --> 0:01:54.680 Congress following the murder, the massacre of his mother, Ruth Whitfield, 0:01:54.760 --> 0:01:58.640 and nine other black people at a Tops grocery store, 0:01:58.760 --> 0:02:04.440 and he said, he said to the people there, this 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:10.200 is there nothing that you personally are willing to do 0:02:10.320 --> 0:02:14.040 to stop the cancer of white supremacy and domestic terrorism? 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:18.200 It inspires because if there is nothing, then you should 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:24.480 yield your positions. How is it that we elect these 0:02:24.600 --> 0:02:30.680 people to be the voice right of their constituents and 0:02:30.800 --> 0:02:33.600 they turn a non listening ear, they turn their backs. 0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:40.400 We have people in this country parents going into a 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:45.760 medical examiner's office waiting on samples of DNA because they 0:02:45.760 --> 0:02:50.880 don't have bodies that are solid enough to be able 0:02:50.919 --> 0:02:54.960 to identify their fucking kids. Because of an AAR fifteen. 0:02:57.720 --> 0:03:02.000 You have members of cong saying things like, well, we 0:03:02.080 --> 0:03:06.120 didn't ban planes after nine to eleven, No, you fucking asshole, 0:03:06.800 --> 0:03:10.480 we didn't. But you know what we did do institute 0:03:10.520 --> 0:03:14.280 a whole bunch of really fucking annoying things that we 0:03:14.360 --> 0:03:16.520 have to go through in order to get on a plane, 0:03:17.200 --> 0:03:20.919 like pat downs, like X rays, like taking your shoes off, 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:27.320 like not bringing on any liquids over three ounces. Those 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:30.280 would be the equivalence of the fucking background checks that 0:03:30.400 --> 0:03:33.840 you need in order to get on a plane because 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:35.960 it was used as a weapon. But when we have 0:03:36.160 --> 0:03:39.240 actual weapons of war that are used on a daily 0:03:39.320 --> 0:03:44.280 basis to sacrifice the lives of our children, we say, well, 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:46.720 that's just par for the course, that's just what it 0:03:46.760 --> 0:03:49.480 means to grow up in America. Tell those kids to 0:03:49.520 --> 0:03:52.080 pull themselves up by their bootstraps and go buy a 0:03:52.120 --> 0:04:00.320 bulletproof backpack. What the fuck I am losing the ability 0:04:00.360 --> 0:04:06.120 to have calm and collected conversation when all I see 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:11.200 everywhere is gaslight and bullshit, and Democrats in the media 0:04:11.320 --> 0:04:13.840 just continue to fucking eat it up. I am so 0:04:13.880 --> 0:04:19.039 sick and goddamn tired of listening to journalists allow craven, evil, 0:04:19.240 --> 0:04:23.359 heartless Republicans say, well, it's the Second Amendment. What about 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:27.560 our fucking kids? How in God's name do you still 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:30.400 refer to yourself as pro life when you gare more 0:04:30.520 --> 0:04:33.320 about a collection of cells than you do about the 0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:37.080 dreams and aspirations of third and fourth graders, of kindergartners 0:04:37.120 --> 0:04:44.320 in Newtown, of high schoolers in Parkland. You don't care 0:04:45.120 --> 0:04:47.600 So let's stop pretending that we don't know what is 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:50.440 in these people's hearts when their actions tell us each 0:04:50.440 --> 0:04:55.080 and every day what is. It's not that they believe 0:04:55.120 --> 0:04:57.040 that they don't have the power to do mighty thing. 0:04:57.080 --> 0:04:59.800 It's that they don't want to. And every time that 0:04:59.839 --> 0:05:02.920 I here, reporters say, well, how are democrats gonna sell 0:05:03.000 --> 0:05:06.080 gun reform? How about just sending them the pictures of 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:14.920 the nineteen children's bodies. How about delivering nineteen handcrafted, hand colored, 0:05:14.960 --> 0:05:23.280 fucking caskets to their offices. How about just piling up 0:05:23.480 --> 0:05:31.320 the fucking National Mall with bodybags. We're talking about, Oh, 0:05:31.360 --> 0:05:34.760 it's not civilized to protests at the doors of justices. 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:38.640 Fuck you, because here's the thing. If I'm not gonna 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:42.080 feel safe in this country, if that freedom has been 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:44.800 taken away from me because of their desire for a 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:47.039 second Amendment, then I'm gonna tell you this right the 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:54.279 fuck now, No one ain't gonna feel safe nowhere, No one, 0:05:56.200 --> 0:05:59.000 because that is the climate that they are creating in 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:04.960 this country. Supreme Court just passes yet another fucking piece 0:06:05.040 --> 0:06:10.120 of law that says that citizens can't fucking sue federal 0:06:10.160 --> 0:06:13.120 agencies and governments know because I guess we have no 0:06:13.320 --> 0:06:19.680 rights in this country. And what happens when people feel 0:06:20.040 --> 0:06:25.839 like they have no power rage riots, and that will 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:30.000 be their justification for more violence against communities that they 0:06:30.040 --> 0:06:33.680 didn't give a fuck about. Any Way, Folks, when I 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:37.800 tell you each and every show that things are going 0:06:37.839 --> 0:06:41.279 to get bloodier before they get better, I feel that 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:43.479 each and every day, and it's what is keeping me 0:06:43.560 --> 0:06:47.279 up at night. I just sit around going through Twitter two, three, 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:50.320 four o'clock in the morning, just waiting for the next pang, 0:06:51.320 --> 0:06:54.720 waiting for the next headline. I don't know why, because 0:06:54.720 --> 0:07:06.440 it's not as if it helps me prepare emotionally. I 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:13.400 feel like we have lost our grip, not only on reality, 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:17.520 but on what it means to be an empathetic human. 0:07:20.400 --> 0:07:26.280 We have allowed corporate interest, the uber wealthy, and white sis, 0:07:26.280 --> 0:07:32.400 hetero white evangelical Christians to run amuck with their toxic, 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:41.280 fragile masculinity across this country. We have done nothing. Garnell 0:07:41.360 --> 0:07:49.280 Whitfield said, Buffalo should have never happened because you've known 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:54.080 about the rise of white domestic terrorism for decades, dare 0:07:54.160 --> 0:08:02.960 I say centuries? Then you have white members of Congress 0:08:03.000 --> 0:08:06.760 saying well, we don't need special laws, no, because why 0:08:06.800 --> 0:08:10.600 would they want to have their base targeted. But instead 0:08:10.640 --> 0:08:14.160 of reporters turning around and saying, why is it that 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:19.520 you are embracing white supremacists and white supremacy, why don't 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:23.240 you see that as a threat to the whole entity 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:31.520 of America. But we need to stop asking people who 0:08:31.600 --> 0:08:34.199 have shown us who they are to pretend that they 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:39.199 are something different than what they have shown. But here's 0:08:39.200 --> 0:08:45.080 the thing that I'm going to say that every single 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:50.480 Democrat that has not been using their voice, their power, 0:08:50.760 --> 0:08:55.760 their platforms to speak out against Republicans, and I mean 0:08:56.000 --> 0:08:58.600 all Republicans. And I don't mean to part in fucking 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:01.800 parcel who you think is good or rational that has left, 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:06.640 because there ain't any. If you voted with Donald Trump 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:09.200 nine percent of the time, you are one of them. 0:09:09.400 --> 0:09:13.400 You are part of the fucking problem. The only reason 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:16.360 why folks are holding up Liz Cheney and Adam Kissinger 0:09:16.640 --> 0:09:21.239 is because they have literally been exercised from the Republican 0:09:21.320 --> 0:09:24.360 Party because the one thing that they choose not to 0:09:24.400 --> 0:09:26.600 believe in is the Big Lie, but they believe in 0:09:26.640 --> 0:09:38.280 everything else. I just I have had it. I have 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:41.600 had it I've had it this week. I've had it 0:09:41.679 --> 0:09:47.960 this time. I've had it with this country, and I 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:50.600 want to say that it is worth fighting for. But 0:09:51.000 --> 0:09:54.360 in all honesty, I'm like, the only reason I don't 0:09:54.360 --> 0:09:56.560 want it to burn to the ground is because I 0:09:56.640 --> 0:10:00.839 don't want the good people to go down. But there's 0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:05.640 clearly going to be no way right that that doesn't happen. 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:12.360 As doctor Brittany Cooper told us weeks ago, they can't 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:15.400 kill all of us. They go and try, but they can. 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:23.400 So when the dust settles, whether it's five, ten, twenty 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:27.080 years from now, we'll have some people will be around 0:10:27.160 --> 0:10:32.280 to rebuild. Who that is, I don't know. Coming up 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:36.680 next my conversation with our friend, our in house doctor, 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:41.679 doctor Jonathan Metzo, author of Dying of Whiteness. Get a 0:10:41.760 --> 0:10:44.440 behind the scenes look at Comedy Central's The Daily Show 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:47.360 on Beyond the Scenes, an original podcast from The Daily 0:10:47.400 --> 0:10:50.200 Show with Trevor Noah. 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Folks, you 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:18.120 know that when it is Wednesday, I always have a 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:21.559 lovely opportunity to delve into all of the horrible things 0:12:21.600 --> 0:12:26.240 that are happening in America with our soothsayer, uh, doctor 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:29.760 Jonathan Metzel, author of Dying of Whiteness, who is headed 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:33.360 out folks on his European world tour to talk about 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:38.920 how America is crumbling. So Jonathan, first, tell us, UM, 0:12:39.320 --> 0:12:42.280 tell us about where you're where you're headed in the 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:46.200 in the coming weeks um and why um, and then 0:12:46.240 --> 0:12:48.920 we can delve into where we are here in this 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:53.800 godforsaken place. Well, I'm going to to Denmark and Sweden. 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:57.960 There's a bunch of conferences about kind of the future 0:12:58.000 --> 0:13:02.400 of global democracy um. And people really want to know, 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:04.679 like what the hell is going on with the United States. 0:13:04.800 --> 0:13:07.000 And so I'm going to be talking about the politics 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:10.800 of racial resentment um in a conference in Sweden. And 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:14.920 then I'll be going to Copenhagen. If anybody has any recommendations, UM, 0:13:15.000 --> 0:13:19.520 I'm just gonna like walk around and UM, I won't 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:22.520 make a joke. I'll just say I'll walk around in 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:25.840 an environment where there are fewer firearms than there are um. 0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:30.240 And and and so that'll that'll be nice. Um. And 0:13:30.280 --> 0:13:34.079 then yeah, so it'll be kind of a Scandinavian vacation, 0:13:34.440 --> 0:13:37.240 but also a sense to kind of talk about America 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:41.199 and also being in a society where there people actually 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:45.400 pay taxes for government services, um, and so I'm kind 0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:48.440 of curious to talk to people about the healthcare system 0:13:48.480 --> 0:13:52.000 and public safety and things like that. So let me 0:13:52.040 --> 0:13:57.400 ask you this, because I'm curious, how do you express 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:06.240 racial resentment to us, like in a society where maybe 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:10.280 I'm wrong that there isn't a lot of racial diversity, 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:14.520 maybe there's ethnic diversity. I'm not super familiar, but when 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:18.120 I obviously when I hear Denmark and Sweden, I think white, white, white. 0:14:19.120 --> 0:14:23.600 So how how do you even begin to explain the 0:14:23.760 --> 0:14:27.720 issues of racial resentment that they see in the headlines 0:14:27.800 --> 0:14:32.640 and on the news happening in America? If I can 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:35.400 report live back, I will do that because I'm curious 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:39.680 about that question myself. Scandinavia has a lot of tensions 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:45.400 about immigration rights, and it is a more much more 0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:50.280 homogeneous place, but there also are different diversities within race, right, 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:53.120 I mean, if you think about Sweden, for example, there 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:55.960 are white people called Sammy's who live in the north 0:14:55.960 --> 0:14:58.920 of Sweden near the Russian border, for example, but they're 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:02.160 consider second class citizens. I mean, there's a lot of 0:15:02.160 --> 0:15:05.200 diversity within the category of white. So it's not like 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:08.440 our racial categories are transported. But it's not like that 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:12.840 means that there are no divisions or hierarchies. So but 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:16.640 but I'm curious about that myself. I mean, the thing 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:18.840 everybody wants to know about across the world is kind 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:22.440 of why do Americans vote against what seemed to us 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:24.880 to be self interest? Yeah, I think that that's kind 0:15:24.920 --> 0:15:28.200 of the question, is like, how is political division used 0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:34.240 to have people vote against their own healthcare or any 0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:37.200 kind of common sense safety reform or anything like that. 0:15:37.320 --> 0:15:40.600 And so we'd love to see I mean, it'll be interesting. 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:43.080 This is my really, my first sustained time in Scandinavia. 0:15:43.120 --> 0:15:44.880 I've done a lot of work in the Middle East. 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:47.480 I do a lot of work with Israel policine physicians 0:15:47.520 --> 0:15:49.320 for human rights, and I'll be going back to the 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:52.200 Middle East towards the end of the summer. And for me, 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:55.800 that's a much you know, it's a different conversation. But 0:15:55.840 --> 0:15:59.280 there's obviously I mean, American political division is kind of 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:01.440 an export act, right, and so a lot of people 0:16:01.480 --> 0:16:05.640 who are stirring up problems in the US in terms 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:07.840 of you know, the Fox News kind offenders and things 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:10.560 like that, are also really active in conflict zones across 0:16:10.560 --> 0:16:14.440 the mood. So let's see it. Yeah, I'll be I'm 0:16:14.560 --> 0:16:18.680 very yeah, I'll be really interested, um to to do 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:21.520 an in depth conversation when you return, and you can 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:24.800 share with us, um what what you've heard and what 0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:29.360 you've learned, and honestly what what the fears may be 0:16:29.880 --> 0:16:33.200 that are shared, fears that are happening globally as it 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:38.840 pertains to UM to democracy because um, there I think 0:16:38.840 --> 0:16:42.320 that as we talked a couple of months ago, when 0:16:42.360 --> 0:16:44.440 the report came out for the first time that the 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:48.640 United States is a backsliding democracy, it wasn't the only one, 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:51.880 um that there are several And so what does that 0:16:52.000 --> 0:16:57.320 mean for the safety of the world. And also if 0:16:57.320 --> 0:17:00.120 you're in Scandinavia, like you know, women in film and 0:17:00.840 --> 0:17:03.800 are getting military training now in case the Russians invade 0:17:03.800 --> 0:17:06.680 and stuff. So the world's just a very unstable place 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:08.719 right now. So there's a there's a lot going on 0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:12.880 that just the traditional boundaries and borders that we've lived 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:17.080 with are not since World War two are not holding 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:21.480 up right now, So yeah, that'll be interesting. So I 0:17:21.520 --> 0:17:25.280 want to switch gears. We have a couple of things obviously, 0:17:25.640 --> 0:17:30.280 that are happening right now, Following the Buffalo massacre, following 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:33.600 the Valdi massacre, Following all of the massacres that have 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:39.840 happened in between those two major headline mass shootings, there 0:17:39.880 --> 0:17:42.760 have been the mass shooting that just took place in 0:17:42.880 --> 0:17:47.639 Philadelphia over the weekend, and in Chattanooga, and you know, 0:17:47.840 --> 0:17:51.880 and I don't, the list is quite is quite deep. 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:56.679 And again for those listening, mass shootings are four or 0:17:56.760 --> 0:18:02.600 more people being killed being shot at one time, and 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:05.280 so that just goes to show you how many of 0:18:05.320 --> 0:18:09.560 those events have happened and are continuing to happen. Jonathan. 0:18:09.880 --> 0:18:13.160 The way that the news, though right now, is reporting 0:18:13.280 --> 0:18:17.640 on these things is making it seem as if this 0:18:17.760 --> 0:18:21.200 is new. So can you tell us Is it that 0:18:21.280 --> 0:18:24.720 the coverage is like, oh, this is sensational, so we'll 0:18:24.800 --> 0:18:29.280 keep going with it, or are you, by virtue of 0:18:29.320 --> 0:18:31.879 the work and the study that you've been doing, is 0:18:31.920 --> 0:18:36.440 it an uptick right now? Well, certainly, we had a 0:18:36.480 --> 0:18:38.880 CDC report about a month ago that said that there 0:18:38.880 --> 0:18:42.040 were forty five thousand gun deaths in the United States reported. 0:18:42.119 --> 0:18:45.639 There are more in actuality in twenty twenty, and probably 0:18:45.680 --> 0:18:49.040 more over the last couple of years. So certainly we 0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:52.760 have more gun death by a magnitude of five to 0:18:52.840 --> 0:18:56.399 ten thousand, I would say a year I'm recorded, and 0:18:56.440 --> 0:19:00.400 probably many more. So there are more shootings. There are 0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:03.639 more guns because there were there was up to an 0:19:03.640 --> 0:19:06.160 eight percent rise in parts of the country and gun 0:19:06.280 --> 0:19:09.120 sales during the pandemic the first parts of the pandemic, 0:19:09.800 --> 0:19:12.280 And so I certainly think there are more guns and 0:19:12.359 --> 0:19:15.080 more shootings across the board than there than there used 0:19:15.080 --> 0:19:18.040 to be UM, and that that's just a statistical fact. 0:19:18.320 --> 0:19:21.000 But I would also say that we're just more aware 0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:25.080 of multiple victim gun homicide right now. UM. They used 0:19:25.160 --> 0:19:27.480 there's this thing called the mass shooting tractor, which everybody 0:19:27.560 --> 0:19:34.840 uses UM that tracks UM, that tracks UM for incidences 0:19:34.880 --> 0:19:38.920 where four more people get shot. And for several decades 0:19:39.359 --> 0:19:44.760 they would just use the media outlets like newspapers, and 0:19:44.960 --> 0:19:48.760 mostly newspapers, and so only new shootings that made the 0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:54.720 news were being ye and so that led to everybody thought, well, 0:19:54.800 --> 0:19:57.439 ninety percent of mass shooters are white, for example, But 0:19:57.600 --> 0:19:59.399 that wasn't the case. It's just that ninety percent of 0:19:59.400 --> 0:20:03.159 white shooter made the news. There were tons of shootings 0:20:03.200 --> 0:20:05.560 in places like what we saw this weekend, where everybody, 0:20:05.560 --> 0:20:07.240 all of a sudden was saying, there are fifteen mass 0:20:07.240 --> 0:20:10.080 shootings this weekend. Well, that's been the case in places 0:20:10.080 --> 0:20:12.640 like Chicago for a long time and other places. It's 0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:16.600 just that, um, we don't care. Gang shootings or urban 0:20:16.600 --> 0:20:19.560 shootings weren't being called mass shootings. And so what we've 0:20:19.560 --> 0:20:23.160 done over the past five years mostly is to expand 0:20:23.200 --> 0:20:25.480 the definition of what a mass shooting is. And now 0:20:25.520 --> 0:20:27.800 all of a sudden, there are many more shootings that 0:20:27.840 --> 0:20:30.560 come to the So there's two things. One is that 0:20:30.560 --> 0:20:34.480 there are more shootings, but two is that we're also 0:20:35.600 --> 0:20:40.960 reporting on multiple victims, on homicides in ways that raise awareness. 0:20:41.080 --> 0:20:45.400 So if you live in parts of Newark or Chicago, 0:20:45.640 --> 0:20:50.440 or Nashville or Florida or other places like that, those 0:20:50.440 --> 0:20:52.840 shootings have been part of daily life for a long time. 0:20:53.160 --> 0:20:57.720 It's just now now they're getting Do you think that 0:20:57.760 --> 0:21:01.119 there should be a cont like that there should be 0:21:01.160 --> 0:21:05.080 a confluence of this conversation, meaning that should we be 0:21:05.200 --> 0:21:10.920 having distinct conversations about guns. Is there a difference in 0:21:10.960 --> 0:21:13.720 your mind between and to me, there isn't. So let 0:21:13.720 --> 0:21:16.520 me just say that. But I've been hearing this conversation 0:21:16.560 --> 0:21:19.680 a lot. Should there be a difference between how we're 0:21:19.720 --> 0:21:23.760 talking about the mass shootings that we just saw in 0:21:24.119 --> 0:21:27.080 Buffalo and in Uvaldi and in El Paso and in 0:21:27.160 --> 0:21:31.800 Las Vegas and in these places versus the shootings that 0:21:31.880 --> 0:21:37.280 we see in Philadelphia, in Chicago in LA Should there 0:21:37.359 --> 0:21:42.480 be a difference in those discussions because the motivations, in 0:21:42.520 --> 0:21:46.679 my opinion, for those killings, the ones that make the 0:21:46.720 --> 0:21:50.120 headlines that we're talking about right now, are different than 0:21:50.160 --> 0:21:54.960 the motivations that happen in places like Chicago and Pennsylvania 0:21:55.040 --> 0:22:02.040 and Philly. Two words. Who HU mean honestly that all 0:22:02.119 --> 0:22:05.000 gun crime is gun crime, all gun death is gun death. 0:22:05.200 --> 0:22:07.479 The minute we use those categories, we assume we know 0:22:07.560 --> 0:22:10.040 what the motivation is. That's the problem we got into 0:22:10.520 --> 0:22:13.560 for decades in the gun control movement, which is why 0:22:13.600 --> 0:22:16.160 the gun control movement is a very narrow coalition now 0:22:16.200 --> 0:22:19.280 and not a broad coalition. From the first day this 0:22:19.320 --> 0:22:22.720 crap started happening, we should have been saying all gun 0:22:22.800 --> 0:22:26.119 victims are victims of guns of guns, and it doesn't 0:22:26.119 --> 0:22:28.440 matter because like, how do you know something's in urban 0:22:28.440 --> 0:22:30.760 shooting and not a psychological shooting. How do you know 0:22:31.240 --> 0:22:35.760 something that happens in urban Philadelphia doesn't also have a 0:22:35.800 --> 0:22:39.639 component of mental illness or something like that. So in 0:22:39.640 --> 0:22:41.680 other words, it's just a way of like not looking 0:22:41.800 --> 0:22:47.199 very closely at black victim shootings and so and now 0:22:47.800 --> 0:22:50.480 get the gun. The GVP movement it's called Gun Violence 0:22:50.480 --> 0:22:53.040 Prevention is saying, how come everybody's not on board and 0:22:53.080 --> 0:22:57.040 marching in the streets. And it's because, honestly, for twenty years, 0:22:57.080 --> 0:23:00.280 with respect to my colleagues in this movement, we've only 0:23:00.320 --> 0:23:04.040 been talking about white shooter, white victim crimes. And so 0:23:05.200 --> 0:23:08.440 dividing these up is what Coddison's trouble in the first place, 0:23:08.720 --> 0:23:12.760 and it's what we should be massively rejecting that right now. Honestly, 0:23:13.400 --> 0:23:16.080 I would say that's that's one point, um. And then 0:23:16.119 --> 0:23:18.760 and then the other part of it is just there 0:23:18.800 --> 0:23:21.639 are aspects it makes you rethink, like some of the 0:23:21.680 --> 0:23:28.600 aspects of gun control that people advocate for um, it's sorry, 0:23:30.520 --> 0:23:33.720 I'm making coffee while we talk, um. But the other 0:23:33.760 --> 0:23:38.080 aspect is um, like, think about everybody's like, oh, red 0:23:38.080 --> 0:23:40.760 flag laws for example, Like that's the main thing everybody's 0:23:40.760 --> 0:23:44.400 talking about as a compromisation. Well, what's the red flag law? Um? 0:23:44.560 --> 0:23:47.119 You actually have to petition the police and a judge 0:23:47.840 --> 0:23:50.760 to come do an assessment of your relative for your 0:23:50.800 --> 0:23:55.439 worry about That's great, it'll work, um in some instances. 0:23:55.480 --> 0:23:59.560 But um, do people really want the police coming to 0:23:59.640 --> 0:24:02.440 their house? Well there's a racial politics there. Yeah. And 0:24:02.640 --> 0:24:04.879 I was like, oh, background checks, we need more background checks. Well, 0:24:04.920 --> 0:24:08.119 who pings on a background check? It turns out a 0:24:08.160 --> 0:24:11.840 background check you ping if you have a record of incarceration. 0:24:12.440 --> 0:24:15.199 Who's going to overping in a background checks them? So 0:24:15.440 --> 0:24:18.919 a lot of the issues that the gun control movement 0:24:19.000 --> 0:24:23.959 is based on actually are profoundly racist. And so I 0:24:24.000 --> 0:24:27.879 think that really thinking about different kinds of gun prime, 0:24:28.040 --> 0:24:31.080 different kinds of gun death, different kinds of gun trauma 0:24:31.359 --> 0:24:35.640 will help people realize that we you know, gosh, why 0:24:35.680 --> 0:24:38.800 isn't the gun control movement more broadly accepted. It's because 0:24:38.840 --> 0:24:41.320 we don't have the kind of coalition where people see 0:24:41.320 --> 0:24:44.640 gun control as a social justice issue. That's just my person, 0:24:45.800 --> 0:24:48.120 What do you think? Then? You know, because it's interesting 0:24:48.400 --> 0:24:52.000 and I brought that up because I did um a 0:24:52.200 --> 0:24:58.280 black radio earlier in or earlier in the week, and 0:24:58.560 --> 0:25:00.840 you know, and that, and it was a phil Adelphia station, 0:25:00.960 --> 0:25:02.920 and this was the question that was asked to me, 0:25:03.160 --> 0:25:06.439 you know, should there be a distinction a difference between 0:25:06.840 --> 0:25:09.720 types of shootings? And my response was if you get 0:25:09.800 --> 0:25:11.960 if you're a shot, you're shot. And I don't think 0:25:12.000 --> 0:25:15.520 it matters to the families whether it was a white 0:25:15.560 --> 0:25:19.800 supremacy shooter or it was a you know, a random 0:25:19.840 --> 0:25:23.200 shooting from a gang or whatever. It's like they're dead, right, 0:25:23.280 --> 0:25:27.080 So the problem in the country is guns. It is 0:25:27.119 --> 0:25:31.560 also in a lot of respects what we've seen is 0:25:31.640 --> 0:25:35.720 the tied up in white toxic masculinity, in white supremacy, 0:25:35.840 --> 0:25:40.120 and that being the other level problem, right, And so 0:25:40.160 --> 0:25:43.040 I wonder, I'm like, how do you like, how do 0:25:43.119 --> 0:25:45.800 we have these conversations? Because even right you know, right 0:25:45.840 --> 0:25:50.280 now this week, we're listening to testimony from from the 0:25:50.400 --> 0:25:54.160 families that lost loved ones who were murdered in Buffalo 0:25:54.880 --> 0:25:59.680 Um the ten black you know, mother's, father's, grandmother's aunties 0:25:59.720 --> 0:26:02.480 and goals that were gunned down while they were shopping 0:26:02.960 --> 0:26:06.119 UM on a Saturday morning, and so One of the 0:26:06.160 --> 0:26:10.160 things that was said was this is about white supremacy, 0:26:10.320 --> 0:26:13.520 and by the very virtue that this country, this government 0:26:13.600 --> 0:26:17.400 does not want to acknowledge, right the history and the 0:26:17.480 --> 0:26:22.159 present day rise of that is why we have instances 0:26:22.320 --> 0:26:27.560 like h Charleston at Mother Emmanuel like a buffalo, and 0:26:28.000 --> 0:26:30.919 like these other incidents of violence. And so what do 0:26:31.000 --> 0:26:37.920 you think about how we have these compacted conversations a 0:26:38.080 --> 0:26:46.359 brown guns and white supremacy. I mean, you think I 0:26:46.359 --> 0:26:48.040 was thinking about Texas also, right, because it's not like 0:26:48.080 --> 0:26:53.200 the Texas victims were white right now, but the shooter 0:26:53.720 --> 0:26:56.560 was also not white, and so I just I just 0:26:56.600 --> 0:27:01.000 think I think the problem is so pervasive, and so 0:27:01.080 --> 0:27:05.119 the question is not really about I don't know if 0:27:05.160 --> 0:27:08.280 I believe this like every town and guys like that 0:27:08.320 --> 0:27:11.919 say ninety percent of Americans support background checks on all 0:27:11.960 --> 0:27:13.680 gun sales and stuff like that. I do think there's 0:27:13.720 --> 0:27:16.400 broad support for that kind of thing. But I would 0:27:16.440 --> 0:27:19.720