1 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Woka f Daily with 2 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:18,639 Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody recording from the Bunker, Folks. 3 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: I am fucking pissed. I am pissed at the fact 4 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 1: that I am losing literal sleep, that I am feeling 5 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: emotionally unwell, that I have friends and family telling me 6 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 1: that their young ones are afraid to go to school, 7 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:40,520 Speaker 1: that they are terrified that a bad man is going 8 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 1: to come and get them, and that there is no way, 9 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:48,879 Speaker 1: no way for those that are caring for young children, 10 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: for parents and caregivers to be able to tell children 11 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: that they are safe, because it would be a fucking lie. 12 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:01,959 Speaker 1: And why is that so? Why do we now have 13 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: to lie to our children to tell them though no, no, 14 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: no one's going to come into your school. How do 15 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: you say that we have to lie to them? Because otherwise, 16 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: what's the alternative for them to live in a consistent 17 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 1: state of fear, which they already have, for them to 18 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: develop serious emotional and mental illness, depression, anxiety, grief. We 19 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: are asking fourth graders to cover themselves in the blood 20 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: of their friends because our lawmakers are craven, fucking cowards. 21 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: I am so filled with rage. Garnel Whitfield testified before 22 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: Congress following the murder, the massacre of his mother, Ruth Whitfield, 23 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: and nine other black people at a Tops grocery store, 24 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 1: and he said, he said to the people there, this 25 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: is there nothing that you personally are willing to do 26 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: to stop the cancer of white supremacy and domestic terrorism? 27 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: It inspires because if there is nothing, then you should 28 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: yield your positions. How is it that we elect these 29 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: people to be the voice right of their constituents and 30 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: they turn a non listening ear, they turn their backs. 31 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: We have people in this country parents going into a 32 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: medical examiner's office waiting on samples of DNA because they 33 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: don't have bodies that are solid enough to be able 34 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 1: to identify their fucking kids. Because of an AAR fifteen. 35 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: You have members of cong saying things like, well, we 36 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: didn't ban planes after nine to eleven, No, you fucking asshole, 37 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: we didn't. But you know what we did do institute 38 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of really fucking annoying things that we 39 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 1: have to go through in order to get on a plane, 40 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:20,919 Speaker 1: like pat downs, like X rays, like taking your shoes off, 41 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: like not bringing on any liquids over three ounces. Those 42 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: would be the equivalence of the fucking background checks that 43 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 1: you need in order to get on a plane because 44 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: it was used as a weapon. But when we have 45 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 1: actual weapons of war that are used on a daily 46 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: basis to sacrifice the lives of our children, we say, well, 47 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: that's just par for the course, that's just what it 48 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: means to grow up in America. Tell those kids to 49 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: pull themselves up by their bootstraps and go buy a 50 00:03:52,120 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: bulletproof backpack. What the fuck I am losing the ability 51 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: to have calm and collected conversation when all I see 52 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: everywhere is gaslight and bullshit, and Democrats in the media 53 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: just continue to fucking eat it up. I am so 54 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:19,039 Speaker 1: sick and goddamn tired of listening to journalists allow craven, evil, 55 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:23,359 Speaker 1: heartless Republicans say, well, it's the Second Amendment. What about 56 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 1: our fucking kids? How in God's name do you still 57 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 1: refer to yourself as pro life when you gare more 58 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: about a collection of cells than you do about the 59 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: dreams and aspirations of third and fourth graders, of kindergartners 60 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: in Newtown, of high schoolers in Parkland. You don't care 61 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 1: So let's stop pretending that we don't know what is 62 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 1: in these people's hearts when their actions tell us each 63 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: and every day what is. It's not that they believe 64 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 1: that they don't have the power to do mighty thing. 65 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: It's that they don't want to. And every time that 66 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 1: I here, reporters say, well, how are democrats gonna sell 67 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: gun reform? How about just sending them the pictures of 68 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 1: the nineteen children's bodies. How about delivering nineteen handcrafted, hand colored, 69 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:23,280 Speaker 1: fucking caskets to their offices. How about just piling up 70 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: the fucking National Mall with bodybags. We're talking about, Oh, 71 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: it's not civilized to protests at the doors of justices. 72 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: Fuck you, because here's the thing. If I'm not gonna 73 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: feel safe in this country, if that freedom has been 74 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 1: taken away from me because of their desire for a 75 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:47,039 Speaker 1: second Amendment, then I'm gonna tell you this right the 76 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 1: fuck now, No one ain't gonna feel safe nowhere, No one, 77 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: because that is the climate that they are creating in 78 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: this country. Supreme Court just passes yet another fucking piece 79 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 1: of law that says that citizens can't fucking sue federal 80 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 1: agencies and governments know because I guess we have no 81 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 1: rights in this country. And what happens when people feel 82 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 1: like they have no power rage riots, and that will 83 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: be their justification for more violence against communities that they 84 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 1: didn't give a fuck about. Any Way, Folks, when I 85 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: tell you each and every show that things are going 86 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 1: to get bloodier before they get better, I feel that 87 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:43,479 Speaker 1: each and every day, and it's what is keeping me 88 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 1: up at night. I just sit around going through Twitter two, three, 89 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: four o'clock in the morning, just waiting for the next pang, 90 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:54,720 Speaker 1: waiting for the next headline. I don't know why, because 91 00:06:54,720 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: it's not as if it helps me prepare emotionally. I 92 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: feel like we have lost our grip, not only on reality, 93 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: but on what it means to be an empathetic human. 94 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: We have allowed corporate interest, the uber wealthy, and white sis, 95 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: hetero white evangelical Christians to run amuck with their toxic, 96 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: fragile masculinity across this country. We have done nothing. Garnell 97 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: Whitfield said, Buffalo should have never happened because you've known 98 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: about the rise of white domestic terrorism for decades, dare 99 00:07:54,160 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: I say centuries? Then you have white members of Congress 100 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: saying well, we don't need special laws, no, because why 101 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: would they want to have their base targeted. But instead 102 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: of reporters turning around and saying, why is it that 103 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: you are embracing white supremacists and white supremacy, why don't 104 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 1: you see that as a threat to the whole entity 105 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: of America. But we need to stop asking people who 106 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:34,199 Speaker 1: have shown us who they are to pretend that they 107 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:39,199 Speaker 1: are something different than what they have shown. But here's 108 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: the thing that I'm going to say that every single 109 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: Democrat that has not been using their voice, their power, 110 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: their platforms to speak out against Republicans, and I mean 111 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: all Republicans. And I don't mean to part in fucking 112 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: parcel who you think is good or rational that has left, 113 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: because there ain't any. If you voted with Donald Trump 114 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 1: nine percent of the time, you are one of them. 115 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: You are part of the fucking problem. The only reason 116 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: why folks are holding up Liz Cheney and Adam Kissinger 117 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:21,239 Speaker 1: is because they have literally been exercised from the Republican 118 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: Party because the one thing that they choose not to 119 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: believe in is the Big Lie, but they believe in 120 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 1: everything else. I just I have had it. I have 121 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 1: had it I've had it this week. I've had it 122 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 1: this time. I've had it with this country, and I 123 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: want to say that it is worth fighting for. But 124 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: in all honesty, I'm like, the only reason I don't 125 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 1: want it to burn to the ground is because I 126 00:09:56,640 --> 00:10:00,839 Speaker 1: don't want the good people to go down. But there's 127 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: clearly going to be no way right that that doesn't happen. 128 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: As doctor Brittany Cooper told us weeks ago, they can't 129 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: kill all of us. They go and try, but they can. 130 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: So when the dust settles, whether it's five, ten, twenty 131 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 1: years from now, we'll have some people will be around 132 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: to rebuild. Who that is, I don't know. Coming up 133 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 1: next my conversation with our friend, our in house doctor, 134 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 1: doctor Jonathan Metzo, author of Dying of Whiteness. Get a 135 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 1: behind the scenes look at Comedy Central's The Daily Show 136 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 1: on Beyond the Scenes, an original podcast from The Daily 137 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 1: Show with Trevor Noah. Every week, host Roy Wood Junior 138 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: goes deeper with the notable guests and experts from the 139 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 1: Emmy Award winning series. Together, they use comedy to tackle 140 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 1: current topics from gentrification to gun laws, and take a 141 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: closer look at how and why these topics matter. 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So Jonathan, first, tell us, UM, 166 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: tell us about where you're where you're headed in the 167 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 1: in the coming weeks um and why um, and then 168 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: we can delve into where we are here in this 169 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: godforsaken place. Well, I'm going to to Denmark and Sweden. 170 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 1: There's a bunch of conferences about kind of the future 171 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: of global democracy um. And people really want to know, 172 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:04,679 Speaker 1: like what the hell is going on with the United States. 173 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 1: And so I'm going to be talking about the politics 174 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 1: of racial resentment um in a conference in Sweden. And 175 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: then I'll be going to Copenhagen. If anybody has any recommendations, UM, 176 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna like walk around and UM, I won't 177 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 1: make a joke. I'll just say I'll walk around in 178 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 1: an environment where there are fewer firearms than there are um. 179 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: And and and so that'll that'll be nice. Um. And 180 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:34,079 Speaker 1: then yeah, so it'll be kind of a Scandinavian vacation, 181 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: but also a sense to kind of talk about America 182 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:41,199 Speaker 1: and also being in a society where there people actually 183 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: pay taxes for government services, um, and so I'm kind 184 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 1: of curious to talk to people about the healthcare system 185 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 1: and public safety and things like that. So let me 186 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: ask you this, because I'm curious, how do you express 187 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 1: racial resentment to us, like in a society where maybe 188 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: I'm wrong that there isn't a lot of racial diversity, 189 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: maybe there's ethnic diversity. I'm not super familiar, but when 190 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 1: I obviously when I hear Denmark and Sweden, I think white, white, white. 191 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: So how how do you even begin to explain the 192 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 1: issues of racial resentment that they see in the headlines 193 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: and on the news happening in America? If I can 194 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: report live back, I will do that because I'm curious 195 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 1: about that question myself. Scandinavia has a lot of tensions 196 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: about immigration rights, and it is a more much more 197 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 1: homogeneous place, but there also are different diversities within race, right, 198 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: I mean, if you think about Sweden, for example, there 199 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: are white people called Sammy's who live in the north 200 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 1: of Sweden near the Russian border, for example, but they're 201 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: consider second class citizens. I mean, there's a lot of 202 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: diversity within the category of white. So it's not like 203 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 1: our racial categories are transported. But it's not like that 204 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: means that there are no divisions or hierarchies. So but 205 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: but I'm curious about that myself. I mean, the thing 206 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: everybody wants to know about across the world is kind 207 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: of why do Americans vote against what seemed to us 208 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: to be self interest? Yeah, I think that that's kind 209 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: of the question, is like, how is political division used 210 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: to have people vote against their own healthcare or any 211 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: kind of common sense safety reform or anything like that. 212 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: And so we'd love to see I mean, it'll be interesting. 213 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: This is my really, my first sustained time in Scandinavia. 214 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: I've done a lot of work in the Middle East. 215 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: I do a lot of work with Israel policine physicians 216 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 1: for human rights, and I'll be going back to the 217 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 1: Middle East towards the end of the summer. And for me, 218 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 1: that's a much you know, it's a different conversation. But 219 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: there's obviously I mean, American political division is kind of 220 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 1: an export act, right, and so a lot of people 221 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: who are stirring up problems in the US in terms 222 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 1: of you know, the Fox News kind offenders and things 223 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: like that, are also really active in conflict zones across 224 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 1: the mood. So let's see it. Yeah, I'll be I'm 225 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: very yeah, I'll be really interested, um to to do 226 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: an in depth conversation when you return, and you can 227 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 1: share with us, um what what you've heard and what 228 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: you've learned, and honestly what what the fears may be 229 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: that are shared, fears that are happening globally as it 230 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 1: pertains to UM to democracy because um, there I think 231 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: that as we talked a couple of months ago, when 232 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: the report came out for the first time that the 233 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 1: United States is a backsliding democracy, it wasn't the only one, 234 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: um that there are several And so what does that 235 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 1: mean for the safety of the world. And also if 236 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 1: you're in Scandinavia, like you know, women in film and 237 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 1: are getting military training now in case the Russians invade 238 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 1: and stuff. So the world's just a very unstable place 239 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:08,719 Speaker 1: right now. So there's a there's a lot going on 240 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:12,880 Speaker 1: that just the traditional boundaries and borders that we've lived 241 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 1: with are not since World War two are not holding 242 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 1: up right now, So yeah, that'll be interesting. So I 243 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: want to switch gears. We have a couple of things obviously, 244 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: that are happening right now, Following the Buffalo massacre, following 245 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 1: the Valdi massacre, Following all of the massacres that have 246 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: happened in between those two major headline mass shootings, there 247 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 1: have been the mass shooting that just took place in 248 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 1: Philadelphia over the weekend, and in Chattanooga, and you know, 249 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:51,880 Speaker 1: and I don't, the list is quite is quite deep. 250 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:56,679 Speaker 1: And again for those listening, mass shootings are four or 251 00:17:56,760 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 1: more people being killed being shot at one time, and 252 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: so that just goes to show you how many of 253 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: those events have happened and are continuing to happen. Jonathan. 254 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:13,160 Speaker 1: The way that the news, though right now, is reporting 255 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:17,640 Speaker 1: on these things is making it seem as if this 256 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 1: is new. So can you tell us Is it that 257 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 1: the coverage is like, oh, this is sensational, so we'll 258 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 1: keep going with it, or are you, by virtue of 259 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 1: the work and the study that you've been doing, is 260 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 1: it an uptick right now? Well, certainly, we had a 261 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:38,880 Speaker 1: CDC report about a month ago that said that there 262 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: were forty five thousand gun deaths in the United States reported. 263 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:45,639 Speaker 1: There are more in actuality in twenty twenty, and probably 264 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 1: more over the last couple of years. So certainly we 265 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 1: have more gun death by a magnitude of five to 266 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:56,399 Speaker 1: ten thousand, I would say a year I'm recorded, and 267 00:18:56,440 --> 00:19:00,400 Speaker 1: probably many more. So there are more shootings. There are 268 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,639 Speaker 1: more guns because there were there was up to an 269 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:06,160 Speaker 1: eight percent rise in parts of the country and gun 270 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:09,120 Speaker 1: sales during the pandemic the first parts of the pandemic, 271 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 1: And so I certainly think there are more guns and 272 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: more shootings across the board than there than there used 273 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 1: to be UM, and that that's just a statistical fact. 274 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: But I would also say that we're just more aware 275 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: of multiple victim gun homicide right now. UM. They used 276 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 1: there's this thing called the mass shooting tractor, which everybody 277 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: uses UM that tracks UM, that tracks UM for incidences 278 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:38,920 Speaker 1: where four more people get shot. And for several decades 279 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: they would just use the media outlets like newspapers, and 280 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: mostly newspapers, and so only new shootings that made the 281 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 1: news were being ye and so that led to everybody thought, well, 282 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:57,439 Speaker 1: ninety percent of mass shooters are white, for example, But 283 00:19:57,600 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 1: that wasn't the case. It's just that ninety percent of 284 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:03,159 Speaker 1: white shooter made the news. There were tons of shootings 285 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 1: in places like what we saw this weekend, where everybody, 286 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 1: all of a sudden was saying, there are fifteen mass 287 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: shootings this weekend. Well, that's been the case in places 288 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:12,640 Speaker 1: like Chicago for a long time and other places. It's 289 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: just that, um, we don't care. Gang shootings or urban 290 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 1: shootings weren't being called mass shootings. And so what we've 291 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:23,160 Speaker 1: done over the past five years mostly is to expand 292 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 1: the definition of what a mass shooting is. And now 293 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, there are many more shootings that 294 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 1: come to the So there's two things. One is that 295 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 1: there are more shootings, but two is that we're also 296 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 1: reporting on multiple victims, on homicides in ways that raise awareness. 297 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:45,400 Speaker 1: So if you live in parts of Newark or Chicago, 298 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 1: or Nashville or Florida or other places like that, those 299 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 1: shootings have been part of daily life for a long time. 300 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 1: It's just now now they're getting Do you think that 301 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:01,119 Speaker 1: there should be a cont like that there should be 302 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: a confluence of this conversation, meaning that should we be 303 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:10,920 Speaker 1: having distinct conversations about guns. Is there a difference in 304 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 1: your mind between and to me, there isn't. So let 305 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: me just say that. But I've been hearing this conversation 306 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 1: a lot. Should there be a difference between how we're 307 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: talking about the mass shootings that we just saw in 308 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: Buffalo and in Uvaldi and in El Paso and in 309 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 1: Las Vegas and in these places versus the shootings that 310 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 1: we see in Philadelphia, in Chicago in LA Should there 311 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 1: be a difference in those discussions because the motivations, in 312 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:46,679 Speaker 1: my opinion, for those killings, the ones that make the 313 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:50,120 Speaker 1: headlines that we're talking about right now, are different than 314 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 1: the motivations that happen in places like Chicago and Pennsylvania 315 00:21:55,040 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 1: and Philly. Two words. Who HU mean honestly that all 316 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: gun crime is gun crime, all gun death is gun death. 317 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,479 Speaker 1: The minute we use those categories, we assume we know 318 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: what the motivation is. That's the problem we got into 319 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: for decades in the gun control movement, which is why 320 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,160 Speaker 1: the gun control movement is a very narrow coalition now 321 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: and not a broad coalition. From the first day this 322 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 1: crap started happening, we should have been saying all gun 323 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 1: victims are victims of guns of guns, and it doesn't 324 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 1: matter because like, how do you know something's in urban 325 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 1: shooting and not a psychological shooting. How do you know 326 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: something that happens in urban Philadelphia doesn't also have a 327 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:39,639 Speaker 1: component of mental illness or something like that. So in 328 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 1: other words, it's just a way of like not looking 329 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:47,199 Speaker 1: very closely at black victim shootings and so and now 330 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 1: get the gun. The GVP movement it's called Gun Violence 331 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 1: Prevention is saying, how come everybody's not on board and 332 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 1: marching in the streets. And it's because, honestly, for twenty years, 333 00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 1: with respect to my colleagues in this movement, we've only 334 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: been talking about white shooter, white victim crimes. And so 335 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 1: dividing these up is what Coddison's trouble in the first place, 336 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 1: and it's what we should be massively rejecting that right now. Honestly, 337 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: I would say that's that's one point, um. And then 338 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 1: and then the other part of it is just there 339 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 1: are aspects it makes you rethink, like some of the 340 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: aspects of gun control that people advocate for um, it's sorry, 341 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 1: I'm making coffee while we talk, um. But the other 342 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 1: aspect is um, like, think about everybody's like, oh, red 343 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 1: flag laws for example, Like that's the main thing everybody's 344 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:44,400 Speaker 1: talking about as a compromisation. Well, what's the red flag law? Um? 345 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,119 Speaker 1: You actually have to petition the police and a judge 346 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 1: to come do an assessment of your relative for your 347 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:55,439 Speaker 1: worry about That's great, it'll work, um in some instances. 348 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 1: But um, do people really want the police coming to 349 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 1: their house? Well there's a racial politics there. Yeah. And 350 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, background checks, we need more background checks. Well, 351 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 1: who pings on a background check? It turns out a 352 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 1: background check you ping if you have a record of incarceration. 353 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,199 Speaker 1: Who's going to overping in a background checks them? So 354 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,919 Speaker 1: a lot of the issues that the gun control movement 355 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:23,959 Speaker 1: is based on actually are profoundly racist. And so I 356 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 1: think that really thinking about different kinds of gun prime, 357 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 1: different kinds of gun death, different kinds of gun trauma 358 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:35,640 Speaker 1: will help people realize that we you know, gosh, why 359 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 1: isn't the gun control movement more broadly accepted. It's because 360 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 1: we don't have the kind of coalition where people see 361 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,640 Speaker 1: gun control as a social justice issue. That's just my person, 362 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,120 Speaker 1: What do you think? Then? You know, because it's interesting 363 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 1: and I brought that up because I did um a 364 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 1: black radio earlier in or earlier in the week, and 365 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 1: you know, and that, and it was a phil Adelphia station, 366 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:02,920 Speaker 1: and this was the question that was asked to me, 367 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,439 Speaker 1: you know, should there be a distinction a difference between 368 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 1: types of shootings? And my response was if you get 369 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 1: if you're a shot, you're shot. And I don't think 370 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 1: it matters to the families whether it was a white 371 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: supremacy shooter or it was a you know, a random 372 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 1: shooting from a gang or whatever. It's like they're dead, right, 373 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: So the problem in the country is guns. It is 374 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: also in a lot of respects what we've seen is 375 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 1: the tied up in white toxic masculinity, in white supremacy, 376 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:40,120 Speaker 1: and that being the other level problem, right, And so 377 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 1: I wonder, I'm like, how do you like, how do 378 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 1: we have these conversations? Because even right you know, right 379 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 1: now this week, we're listening to testimony from from the 380 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:54,160 Speaker 1: families that lost loved ones who were murdered in Buffalo 381 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:59,680 Speaker 1: Um the ten black you know, mother's, father's, grandmother's aunties 382 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 1: and goals that were gunned down while they were shopping 383 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 1: UM on a Saturday morning, and so One of the 384 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:10,160 Speaker 1: things that was said was this is about white supremacy, 385 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 1: and by the very virtue that this country, this government 386 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:17,400 Speaker 1: does not want to acknowledge, right the history and the 387 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:22,159 Speaker 1: present day rise of that is why we have instances 388 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 1: like h Charleston at Mother Emmanuel like a buffalo, and 389 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,919 Speaker 1: like these other incidents of violence. And so what do 390 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:37,920 Speaker 1: you think about how we have these compacted conversations a 391 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 1: brown guns and white supremacy. I mean, you think I 392 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 1: was thinking about Texas also, right, because it's not like 393 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 1: the Texas victims were white right now, but the shooter 394 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 1: was also not white, and so I just I just 395 00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 1: think I think the problem is so pervasive, and so 396 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 1: the question is not really about I don't know if 397 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 1: I believe this like every town and guys like that 398 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,919 Speaker 1: say ninety percent of Americans support background checks on all 399 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 1: gun sales and stuff like that. I do think there's 400 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,400 Speaker 1: broad support for that kind of thing. But I would 401 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 1: also say just that the gun lobby and gun manufacturers 402 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 1: have been so much more successful steering the shit out 403 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 1: of people, and so race plays right into that. And 404 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 1: I guess really this is like kind of an aside, 405 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:33,680 Speaker 1: but like it's kind of like what is the voice 406 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 1: of the everyday person in this debate? Right, the everyday 407 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 1: person doesn't really have a voice in a way, like 408 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 1: all we are are victims, everybody, And that's because this 409 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 1: debate is predetermined, right in a way, So I totally 410 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: it's so brave are those people to go right now 411 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:56,360 Speaker 1: to DC and people are really speaking out in very 412 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 1: brave and forceful and powerful ways. And at the same time, 413 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: like the debate is predetermined because the NRA and other 414 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:09,120 Speaker 1: gun groups and the seventeen sixteen Project and all these 415 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,440 Speaker 1: gun manufactory groups stuff, they've already like they already literally 416 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 1: owned the politicians and the judges. And so this is 417 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 1: a question of power as much as it is a question. 418 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:21,640 Speaker 1: And this is like list to what we were talking 419 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 1: about before. This is a question of power, and so 420 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 1: protest is super important, but it has to translate into 421 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 1: like a strategy for like how can we control the 422 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,400 Speaker 1: judges or how can we have politicians who answered us 423 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 1: and and and it's not a crazy thing to think 424 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 1: like if people don't vote for common sense gun reform, 425 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 1: they're going to get elected out of office or something 426 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 1: like that. But we don't do that. It's not a 427 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 1: wedge issue for us. There's been a lot of polls 428 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 1: recently the show that people protests and are angry and 429 00:28:53,880 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 1: sad and tearful and rightly, rightly furious. But Democrats don't 430 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 1: vote on guns as a regissue, but the Republicans do 431 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 1: like like it, just like they can mobilize these guys 432 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 1: on drop of a hat and get somebody primary out 433 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 1: of office. And so in a way, there's just an 434 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 1: imbalance of political power, which ties into race and everything 435 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 1: we're talking about. Um. And so I guess the question 436 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 1: at this moment is certainly about gun reform. But let's 437 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 1: be honest, like, even if they do background checks, that 438 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 1: the problem, we're still going to have the same problem. 439 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 1: Um And so the question is can you mobilize a 440 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 1: political machine that will make people pay price for not 441 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 1: doing the right thing here? And I don't know that 442 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: we're there yet, just and you know, and you've you've 443 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 1: been in the gun reform debate for decades, and so 444 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 1: you know, the other question that keeps being asked that 445 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 1: I'm asked, and I know that you were asked like 446 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 1: fifty times, you know, over the past interviews that you've 447 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: been giving everywhere and writing everywhere is it. Does this 448 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 1: tie and feel different to you? I think more people 449 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 1: are aware. I think that there was. I think that 450 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 1: the stakes are a lot higher for people right now, 451 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 1: and I think people realize that there, as I was 452 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 1: saying before, there are more guns around. The fact that 453 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 1: there is an incredibly conservative Supreme Court really changes the 454 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 1: stakes of this issue for anyone anywhere in this country. 455 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: And so and so it does feel different in terms 456 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 1: of the number of people who are being mobilized. I 457 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 1: think it's also very important for the Democrats to play 458 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 1: this right in a way that doesn't pathologize all gun owners. 459 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 1: So the question is can they build a coalition out 460 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 1: of this in ways that will reverse what seems to 461 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 1: be coming down the pipe for the midterms and the 462 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 1: next presidential election. How much are people willing to vote 463 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 1: based on this issue. I think that the attention right 464 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 1: now is profound and real, and it's great, as somebody 465 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 1: who studies this to see so many people, Like, right 466 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 1: after we talk, I'm doing a big panel for vanderboot 467 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 1: about guns. Never thought i'd see that happen. And then 468 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 1: I'm doing ABC News right after that. After I make 469 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 1: my coffee here and so and so so I do 470 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 1: think that the conversations are abroad. But I would also 471 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 1: say there's a great sociologist, Patrick Sharkey at Princeton who 472 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 1: studies the emotional aftermath of mass shootings, and basically people 473 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 1: get mad for about a week at the most, and 474 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 1: then they go back. And so the issue is going 475 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 1: to be how can you sustain what's happening? Now? Gun 476 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 1: owners live with their guns every day, so it's an 477 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 1: everyday issue for them, But for non gun owners who 478 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 1: are on our side, they pay attention after mass shootings. 479 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 1: But then something else comes up, which is how life works. 480 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 1: That's understandable. And so the question is and I realized, 481 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, this is a lot of things I'm putting 482 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 1: in all these answers, but I just want people to 483 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 1: understand how flex all these is. Yeah, I would say, 484 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 1: the question is how much can this be made into 485 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 1: a right issue that will get people to vote. I 486 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 1: guess traditionally what happens is when it comes to midterms, 487 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 1: all these racial politics scare the crap out of people 488 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 1: and they vote for the status quo. So the question 489 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 1: is the answer is, now, how different is it? But 490 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 1: really the answer won't be fully told really until the midterms. Honestly, 491 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 1: last question for you, Jonathan is, you know, folks are 492 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 1: really concerned about this summer, right, and shootings seem to 493 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 1: also uptick in the summer. Right. I don't know why 494 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 1: that is, and I'm certain that you'll you'll tell me. 495 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 1: But here's something that I was asked and I want 496 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 1: to pose it to you, which is people are very 497 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 1: concerned about the Supreme Court rolling out They're very controversial decisions, right, 498 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 1: row being on top a number one on top of that, 499 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 1: and that people are then going to get out into 500 00:32:59,920 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 1: the streets in the way that they did after the 501 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 1: killing of George Floyd, Like they're going to be lots 502 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 1: of mass demonstrations. There is concern that with people being 503 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 1: out in the streets that we're going to see a 504 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 1: lot of Kyle Rittenhouse incidents. Right. What are your thoughts 505 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 1: about like this again, this conflation of issues and things 506 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 1: that are happening. You know, you're hearing that the supposedly 507 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,479 Speaker 1: the FBI and others are you know, ear to the 508 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 1: ground with concern about these decisions coming down and how 509 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 1: folks are going to react. And I'm like, our side 510 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 1: is not the side with guns and that is violent. 511 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 1: So funny that you're going to have concern now, But 512 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:48,480 Speaker 1: what are your thoughts about what is on the precipice. Well, 513 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,240 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court is we're about to hit get hit 514 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,960 Speaker 1: over the next couple weeks with an absolute tide of 515 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 1: wave that is going to change America for the rest 516 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 1: of our lives. I wish I could be sunny. It's 517 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 1: a nice day out. It's about to happen in the 518 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 1: Supreme Court is going to change America forever as we 519 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 1: know it. Because it's not just Row versus Way this coming. 520 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:13,239 Speaker 1: It's also decisions about about the elect electoral process. There's 521 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:19,839 Speaker 1: a decision about um affirmative action that's almost certainly going 522 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:24,720 Speaker 1: to get overturned, and there's a massive decision about guns 523 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:29,560 Speaker 1: that could basically destroy the entire un control movement. And 524 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,200 Speaker 1: so it's just going to be like which protests do 525 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 1: you want to go to? And and I think the 526 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,399 Speaker 1: stuff is going to come, and it's so it's so 527 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 1: tectonic that it's almost hard to get your head around it. 528 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,680 Speaker 1: I study it, I still can't imagine what's about to 529 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:50,000 Speaker 1: happen here. And so the question is um, certainly violence 530 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,480 Speaker 1: around the protests. I mean, you know, hot weather, people 531 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,879 Speaker 1: out of school, a lot of guns, and a lot 532 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 1: of really intense built tension in friction right now. Um, 533 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:05,840 Speaker 1: I would say that that that's going to be a 534 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,920 Speaker 1: real dangerous sign. But also just the issues themselves that 535 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court is deciding on are also going to 536 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:15,680 Speaker 1: be really really contentious. And so I am very very 537 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,400 Speaker 1: very worried about about the summer and also about what 538 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:24,439 Speaker 1: the effects. We never end on a good note. Um, 539 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna vacation. You're going on vacation. Yeah, I'm healing 540 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 1: a broken toe. And friend, I may tell you just 541 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,640 Speaker 1: stay where you are. We've been doing remote for so long. 542 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 1: Stay you stay in Sweden. It'll probably be a hell 543 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 1: of a lot safer than here. Well, safe travels to you, Jonathan. 544 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 1: Hopefully we get to hear really good um you know, 545 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,760 Speaker 1: whether you're whether we talk to you while you're gone 546 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,319 Speaker 1: or when you return. Very excited to hear um the 547 00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:01,719 Speaker 1: results of all of your talks and hear your report back. 548 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,760 Speaker 1: Thank you. And again I'm really not trying to be doom, 549 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,080 Speaker 1: but I do think that there's a lot of there's 550 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,320 Speaker 1: a lot coming down the pipe right now that people 551 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,359 Speaker 1: just need to get ready. I mean I am yeah 552 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:19,280 Speaker 1: by definition correct? All right, friend, We appreciate you, safe 553 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:26,600 Speaker 1: travels and we'll see you when you return. 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