1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,639 Speaker 1: Hey, there is Steve Fishman, and thank you for listening 2 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: to Get the Money and Run. If you're into true 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:08,159 Speaker 1: crime podcasts, then I want to recommend one to you 4 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: that I think you're going to appreciate. It's called Dakota Spotlight. 5 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: It's hosted by James Woolner, and it investigates unsolved cases, 6 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: suspicious death, and long forgotten stories. Most of them are 7 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: from North Dakota and the surrounding region, thus the title. 8 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: But what makes this podcast stand out is its focus 9 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 1: not just on the events, but the people, not just 10 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 1: the crime, but the characters around it. It's deeply researched 11 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:46,519 Speaker 1: and it's driven by this kind of uncanny commitment to 12 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 1: get at the truth. There are eleven seasons of original reporting. 13 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: The sound design's immersive, The interviews are really powerful. You 14 00:00:55,440 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: get victims, families, investigators, even some people connected to the accused. 15 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: Dakota Spotlight offers a level of depth and humanity you 16 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:09,039 Speaker 1: don't often hear in the true crime space. If that 17 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: sounds like you're kind of podcast, then check out Dakota 18 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 1: Spotlight wherever you listen, or you can visit Dakota Spotlight 19 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: dot com. 20 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 2: You're listening to Dakota Spotlight. My name is James Woolner. 21 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:27,279 Speaker 2: It's been four decades since a fifteen year old girl 22 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 2: vanished while walking home on the streets of Williston in 23 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 2: the North Dakota oil country. And it all started on 24 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 2: April eleventh, nineteen eighty one. 25 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 3: And we're waiting word on the President of the United 26 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 3: States by George Washington hospital. 27 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 4: Mister Reagan as we saw him pop up and sit 28 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 4: back down his grin. 29 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 3: Hospital and we get this story final aia wrapped up. 30 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 5: All of the executives are on the das applauding the 31 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 5: president's entry. 32 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 2: A few moments ago in Washington, US, President Ronald Reagan 33 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 2: has released from the hospital twelve days after being shot 34 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 2: in the chest by a would be assassin. And in 35 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 2: the state of Florida over at Cape Canaveral, NASA gives 36 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 2: the green light for the first ever launch of Space 37 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 2: Shuttle Columbia, set for the following day. The launch team 38 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 2: has been breathed on the way in which a halt 39 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 2: can be called to the countdown. The launch events are 40 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 2: being controlled by the ground lawnch sequencer. Now that has 41 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 2: been initiated elsewhere in the United States. It's business as 42 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 2: usual on this Saturday in the Upper Midwest, mother Nature 43 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 2: is hinting here and there that she just might follow 44 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 2: through on her pledge, her promise of the actual manifestation 45 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 2: of an actual springtime. All across this region. Northerners pack 46 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 2: up the family car and head to the local shops 47 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 2: and hardware stores, where parents inspect garden hoses and potting soil, 48 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 2: and the kids are drawn to easter basket isles where 49 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 2: they fondle bags of pink bunnies, yellow ches, and chocolate 50 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 2: eggs wrapped in colored foild. 51 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 3: There's a put swung off fyeballs center field easy out. 52 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 3: Gary Ward is there and he takes it. 53 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 2: In North Dakota, automobile owners who want to avoid a 54 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:16,079 Speaker 2: fine have just four days to get the snow tires off, 55 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:19,639 Speaker 2: and so all across the wide state, part of Saturday 56 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 2: afternoon is spent out in the garage spring cleaning, listening 57 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 2: to the Minnesota Twins lose again, this time against Oakland 58 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 2: three to nothing. 59 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 3: Son has went away. 60 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 2: Saturday becomes Saturday night, and after the evening meal, many 61 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 2: North Dakota's fall into one of three categories. First are 62 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 2: those who have to stay home for the night kids 63 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 2: and children with no say in the matter. They fall 64 00:03:52,640 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 2: asleep in pajamas watching love Boat or Fantasy Island. The 65 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 2: second category of those who just want to stay in 66 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 2: for the night, the fatigued adults, many of them parents 67 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 2: and homeowners. These North Dakotas sit up late and play 68 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 2: cards or watch Chevy Chase hosting Saturday Night Live. Some 69 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 2: just go to bed, while others nod off on the couch, 70 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 2: only to wake up with a jolt again and cast 71 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 2: a panicked look at the clock. 72 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 3: Pleasant tomorrow. 73 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:32,280 Speaker 2: Their day is not quite done yet, because they are 74 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 2: the parents and occasional chauffeurs of the third category, teenagers 75 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 2: who have no desire at all to stay home on 76 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 2: a Saturday night In April, of course, on April eleventh, 77 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 2: nineteen eighty one, the Saturday night options for teenagers are slim. 78 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:53,039 Speaker 2: Some go to the movies, others ask a parent to 79 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 2: drive them to the indoor roller skating rink on this night. 80 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 2: One such roller skating rink is wheel Aware, just outside 81 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 2: of the town of Williston, North Dakota. 82 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 3: Was just a hangout where we'd all get together, you know, 83 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 3: something to do on the weekends, especially in the cold, 84 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 3: you know, winter months and stuff. 85 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 2: This is Sandy Evanson in nineteen eighty one, she was 86 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:29,720 Speaker 2: Sandy Schubert. On the evening of April eleventh, nineteen eighty one, 87 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 2: Sandy was just sixteen years of age when she went 88 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 2: roller skating with some of her friends at wheel Awhile 89 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 2: in Williston. The skating rink was a favorite hangout for 90 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 2: Sandy and her friends. 91 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 3: We were like, so hoot that, yep, I saved all 92 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 3: my money and I think my first pair of skates 93 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 3: were like one hundred and twenty dollars, which was a 94 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 3: lot of money back then. 95 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 2: At the wheel a while, the teenagers of Williston could 96 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 2: get out of their homes and yet stay out of 97 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,359 Speaker 2: the cold and for the moment spartan out of trouble. 98 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:05,160 Speaker 2: They socialized, bought popcorn and candy at the concession stand, 99 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 2: and skated to pop music beneath the giant disco ball. 100 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:12,359 Speaker 3: They would, you know, turn the lights down sometimes and 101 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 3: have the strobe lights in the mirror ball and Joe, Yeah, 102 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:21,160 Speaker 3: there were boys there. There was ones that I had 103 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 3: a crush on. 104 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 2: Sandy and her friends often stayed at wheel Awhile until closing, 105 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 2: when a parent would pick them. 106 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 3: Up and there would be two sessions, like a usually 107 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 3: like a seven to nine and a nine to midnight 108 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:40,279 Speaker 3: or something like that. I believe it was, but we 109 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 3: would pretty much stay. I think we'd usually go from 110 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 3: like seven to midnight. 111 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 2: On this evening, if her memory serves her correctly. Sandy's 112 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 2: parents are out of town, and so her friend's mother 113 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 2: picks them up at wheel a while and drives them 114 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 2: back to her friend's house, where they hang out for 115 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 2: a while. Her friend's house is a few blocks north 116 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 2: of Sandy's. 117 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 3: Pretty close to eighteep Street and Ninth Avenue. 118 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 2: After some time at her friend's house, Sandy decides to 119 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 2: go home to walk home alone. Sandy never feels fully 120 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 2: comfortable doing this, even though Willson is considered a pretty 121 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 2: safe place by most of her friends at the time. 122 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 2: On this night, she's on edge, however, maybe because her 123 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 2: parents left town on business and she knows she's returning 124 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 2: to an empty house in the dark. 125 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 3: I'm scared. I'm like some parts I can remember running, 126 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 3: you know, not because of the cold, but because I'm scared. 127 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 3: It's dark and where are the weirdos? And things like that. 128 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 2: Sandy arrives at home and is greeted by nothing but 129 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 2: an empty house. Still feeling cold and out of sorts, 130 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 2: she takes one look at her own bed and then 131 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 2: heads to her parents' bedroom. Maybe she'll feel a little 132 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 2: safer if she sleeps in mom and dad's empty bed. 133 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 3: And I get covers all wrapped around me, and I 134 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 3: had just drifted off, and I remember looking over. There 135 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 3: was a clock by my mom's bedside table and it 136 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 3: said like one. It was pretty much right on the 137 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 3: dot at one, I believed, And I was like, who's 138 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 3: calling at one? At first I thought it might be 139 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 3: my mom and dad, but I thought, nah, they wouldn't 140 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 3: be calling the sleeve. But maybe they're calling to see 141 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 3: I got home from roller skating her. I remember thinking, though, 142 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 3: this probably isn't a good phone call. Nobody calls at 143 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 3: that time of night, you know, for something good. And 144 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 3: I pick it up and it's Louise. 145 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 2: Louise is Louise Cotton, a parent, the mother of fifteen 146 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 2: year old Barbara Cotton, Sandy's childhood friend. But Sandy and 147 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 2: Barbara don't hang out together anymore, you. 148 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 3: Know, And so Louise knew that she probably wouldn't be 149 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 3: hanging with me, And I thought, that's where she's calling 150 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 3: to ask? And I said, no, I haven't seen her. 151 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 2: And truth be told, nobody has admitted to seeing Barbara 152 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 2: Cotton since that night. He didn't come home or call 153 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 2: the next day, or the next year, or ever. Again. 154 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 2: Some seemed to think she just ran away, ran away 155 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 2: without her savings, without her eyeglasses, without any clothes, without 156 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 2: taking anything with her. April of twenty twenty one marks 157 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 2: forty years since Barbara Cotton vanished in Williston, North Dakota. 158 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:26,959 Speaker 2: What happened to Barbara Cotton? 159 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 4: I would go to the movies with friends all the 160 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 4: time and walk through that park. 161 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 2: I'm standing at the corner of Main Street. 162 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 3: Did you see anything unusual that night? Or you know? 163 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 5: Her boyfriend watched her walk to Recreation Park, which is 164 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 5: five blocks from her home. 165 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 3: That house was there. There was another little house that 166 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 3: they first moved into right back here. She didn't she 167 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:03,199 Speaker 3: didn't have a boyfriend. 168 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 4: The pieces that I put together are not good. She 169 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 4: does not end up into a good puzzle. I don't 170 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 4: even remember the police coming to the house. 171 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 3: Be lost with you, but mostly gentle and kind is 172 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 3: what I remember about her. She didn't want to share something. 173 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 3: She was hiding something, and her mom told me it 174 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:24,559 Speaker 3: was a new boyfriend. I'm like, but she didn't tell 175 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 3: me about this boy and I don't know anything about 176 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 3: this boyfriend. 177 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 2: So are you telling me that law enforcement never interviewed 178 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 2: you back then? 179 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 3: Never, She's not gonna You're gonna run away with more. 180 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 3: Money's close. 181 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 4: I want to say, over three thousand, close to four 182 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:39,559 Speaker 4: thousand dollars in the savings. 183 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 3: Can and then we all be hanging out together now 184 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 3: instead of doing a podcast about her. 185 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 2: According to the North Dakota Attorney General's website, Barbara Cotton's 186 00:11:55,600 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 2: case is open and ongoing. It's a cold case. The 187 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 2: full description on the website states, quote, during the evening 188 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 2: of April eleventh, nineteen eighty one, fifteen year old Barbara 189 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:13,199 Speaker 2: Louise Cotton disappeared in Williston, North Dakota. Period end quote. 190 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 2: That's all. The attorney General's website says, as if maybe 191 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:20,439 Speaker 2: sending a fair warning to any would be detective, suggesting 192 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 2: this case is starving itself to death, Slowly proceed with caution, 193 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 2: capier expectations or dreams of finding out what really happened 194 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 2: to Barbara Cotton, Or maybe I'm just reading too much 195 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 2: into it. Anyway, I recently ignored this potential warning and 196 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 2: headed to Williston with my camera and audio recorder. My 197 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 2: first stop in Williston would be the corner of Fourth 198 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 2: Street and Maine. I'm standing at the corner of Main 199 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 2: Street and Fourth in Williston, North Dakota, a cross the 200 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 2: street from the Plainsman Building, which is the location where. 201 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 2: The reason I headed to the corner of Forth and 202 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 2: Maine and Williston is that although the Attorney General's website 203 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 2: offers that minimalist version of the case, there is more 204 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 2: information online and among other details, I've read that Barbara 205 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:25,559 Speaker 2: Cotton was seen leaving the area of the Plainsman Building 206 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 2: at the corner of Forth and Maine. From there, she 207 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 2: walked two and a half blocks west into a small 208 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 2: city park named Recreational Park. Once at the park, she 209 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 2: was just five blocks from her home. The following is 210 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 2: from the Charlie Project at Charlie Project dot org. I 211 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 2: cannot at present verify the validity of the following, but 212 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 2: in a way, that is what this journey is all about, 213 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 2: getting clarity. I am currently attempting to get information directly 214 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 2: from the Williston Police Department. Ideally by the end of 215 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 2: this paro will have a lot more facts for now, though, 216 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 2: this is what the Charlie Project has for Barbara Cotton. 217 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 5: Barbara was last seen leaving a restaurant on Main Street 218 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 5: in her hometown of Willison, North Dakota, during the evening 219 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 5: hours of April eleventh, nineteen eighty one. She had dinner 220 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 5: there with her boyfriend and another friend. Barbara's boyfriend offered 221 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 5: to accompany Barbara home afterwards, but she declined and left 222 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 5: the restaurant alone. Her boyfriend watched her walk to Recreation Park, 223 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 5: which is five blocks from home. Barbara never arrived at 224 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 5: her destination and has never been heard from again. She 225 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 5: did not take her clothes, eyeglasses, cigarettes, money, or any 226 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 5: other personal belongings with her when she disappeared. She also 227 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 5: left behind a paycheck from work. Her older brother stated 228 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 5: he was very close to Barbara and she never told 229 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 5: him of any plans to leave home. Barbara's case was 230 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 5: originally investigated as a runaway case, and a missing person's 231 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 5: report was not filed for several days. As a result, 232 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 5: authorities now believe she may have been abducted, but the 233 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 5: prime suspect in our disappearance, a former boyfriend, of Barbara's 234 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 5: is now deceased. Her case is considered open and unsolved. 235 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 2: I stood at the corner of Fourth and Maine, just 236 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 2: outside the Plainsmen Building. The Plainsman was built as a 237 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 2: hotel in the fifties during an oil boom. It's about 238 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 2: five stories tall, made of brick, and sits at the 239 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 2: northeast corner of the intersection. I thought, if Barbara's boyfriend's 240 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 2: story was true, how well can a person see the 241 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 2: park from that spot? If I'm stuttering here, it's really 242 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 2: cold and windy, And I thought, could he actually see 243 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 2: Barbara that far? And yes, I mean here, standing here 244 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 2: in person, I can definitely see the park and trees. 245 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 2: It's you know, I don't know, is that three hundred yards? Maybe, 246 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 2: As it turns out, you can see the park pretty well. 247 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 2: The distance is three hundred and ten yards two hundred 248 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 2: eighty four meters. Fourth Street actually runs right into the park. 249 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 2: That is, if you drive or walk from Main Street, 250 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 2: you have two and a half blocks to travel, but 251 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 2: once you get to Second Avenue West, you're at a 252 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 2: dead end, stirring straight ahead into the southeastern end of 253 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 2: Recreational Park. Barbara would have crossed Second Avenue and walked 254 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 2: into the park before she vanished. We will be looking 255 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 2: closer at the park and Barbara's remaining route home later. 256 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 2: If you're like me, you probably have some questions you're 257 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 2: wondering about. Who was the boyfriend, how did he die? When, 258 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 2: Why did Barbara decline a walk home and head out 259 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 2: by herself? Did she have an argument with her boyfriend? 260 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 2: And who was the third person at dinner that night? 261 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 2: As you'll see, there is confusion about this. Another question 262 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 2: I have is where did Barbara, her boyfriend, and the 263 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 2: third person eat dinner. I assumed it was at the 264 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 2: Plainsman Building, but now I'm not so sure. I can 265 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 2: tell you something about one of these questions, though, Sandy 266 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 2: Evanson and others have told me that it was not 267 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 2: out of character for Barbara to want to walk home alone. 268 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,880 Speaker 2: In fact, they remember her doing the same thing with them. 269 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 2: She didn't need an escort. She felt more than comfortable 270 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 2: walking alone. Hopefully, by the end of this podcast, we 271 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:39,439 Speaker 2: will answer all of these questions and more. When Sandy 272 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 2: Evanson was a little girl, she lived along Fifth Street 273 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 2: West between sixth Avenue West and seventh Avenue West, and 274 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 2: just like in many communities. The houses on one city 275 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 2: block shared a common alleyway behind the houses. One day, 276 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 2: a new family moved into a home across the alley 277 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 2: from Sandy. It was the Cotton family. Louise Cotton, a 278 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 2: single mother divorced from her husband, moved in with three 279 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 2: of her kids, a son Kent, a daughter, Barbara, and 280 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:13,199 Speaker 2: the youngest another daughter named Kathy. 281 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:17,120 Speaker 3: Here well, like, there was a parking spot a little 282 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 3: bit longer than this, and right on the other side 283 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 3: of it was Barbe's house. Yeah, and then there was 284 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 3: a kind of a duplex thing in front that house. 285 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 3: Was there. There was another little house that they first 286 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 3: moved into right back here. Then this used to be 287 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 3: a big, huge courtyard where we all played. Ok. Yeah, 288 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 3: And I believe it was my mom let me know 289 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 3: that there were some new little girls in the neighborhood. 290 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 3: And I think it was her idea, go out and 291 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 3: meet him and take your barbies. That'll break the you know, 292 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 3: the ice. And so that was our first playdate that 293 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 3: I remember. We were fast friends from that moment on. 294 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 2: Sandy was a year older than Barbara in school, but 295 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 2: they soon became best buddies. 296 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 3: It was pretty much from like in the summertime, from 297 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 3: the time we got up, but it was run across 298 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 3: the alley and start hanging out together, you know. 299 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 2: Sandy, Barbara, Barbara's brother and sister, and the other kids 300 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 2: around the block often played together. 301 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:28,120 Speaker 3: And in that courtyard, all us kids would gather and 302 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 3: we would play tag or you know, we would play ball, 303 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 3: or we would ride our bikes in there. We would 304 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 3: roller skates. 305 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:39,679 Speaker 2: Sometimes they would ride their bikes down to the corner 306 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:44,400 Speaker 2: store and get penny candy. They also gave skateboarding. 307 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 3: A try, and then we'd get hung up our rock 308 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 3: and go flying or something like that. 309 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 2: Like other kids all over the country, Sandy and Barbara 310 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 2: and the others made up a cluster of kids thrown 311 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 2: together by pure geography. They were just the kids on 312 00:19:59,680 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 2: the block. 313 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it was like we were a gang, you know, 314 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:06,400 Speaker 3: because we were all so close in age. And then 315 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 3: there was a couple of kids that lived across the 316 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:12,360 Speaker 3: street and up and down the block, and the other 317 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 3: kids in the neighborhood, and sometimes we would play all 318 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 3: together in that courtyard or whatever. But kid Kathy and 319 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 3: Barbara and I were pretty much a fixture, especially in 320 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 3: the summer. You know, we would be all together all 321 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:26,440 Speaker 3: summer long. 322 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:31,360 Speaker 2: The Charlie Project also has this to say about Barbara 323 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 2: at the time of her disappearance, Missing since for eleven 324 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 2: eighty one, classification endangered missing sex female, race, white, Date 325 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 2: of birth eleven ten, sixty five, age fifteen years old. 326 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 2: Height and weight five foot two, one hundred pounds or 327 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty seven centimeters forty five kilos. Clothing 328 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:05,640 Speaker 2: a blouse, jeans, loafers. Distinguishing characteristics Caucasian female, brown hair, 329 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 2: hazel eyes. Barbara's ears are pierced and her left ear 330 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,880 Speaker 2: is slightly lower than her right. She has a dark 331 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 2: brown mole on the upper right side of her chest. 332 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 2: Barbara has a pronounced S curve in her spine, which 333 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,959 Speaker 2: causes her to walk with a slight limp. She smoked 334 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 2: cigarettes in nineteen eighty one. Barbara wears eyeglasses, but left 335 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 2: hers behind when she disappeared. Her teeth were in excellent condition. 336 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 3: She was a very great and loyal friend. I can't 337 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 3: remember ever having Really, if we had argument, it must 338 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 3: never have lasted very long, because I don't remember ever 339 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 3: being mad at her or her being mad at me. Ah, 340 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 3: there's so much I wish I could get it all 341 00:21:54,560 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 3: into words and remember everything. But she was very beautiful always, 342 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 3: from the time she was little to she just got 343 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:08,159 Speaker 3: more beautiful as she got older. I'll read you something 344 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,879 Speaker 3: that I wrote down, you know, before you called. I 345 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 3: was just like, I want to get this right so 346 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:18,719 Speaker 3: much for her, I wrote down. She had this long, beautiful, 347 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,920 Speaker 3: slightly wavy hair that was just the thing about her. 348 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 2: When Barbara walked, she swayed back and forth a bit, 349 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 2: and her hair swayed with her. 350 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 3: It was just unique. And then she had these skinny arms, 351 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 3: long skinny arms that hang by her side and kind 352 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 3: of go with this walk. But mostly gentle and kind 353 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 3: is what I remember about her. I never remember, I don't. 354 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 3: I'm sure there had to have been one between us 355 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:57,159 Speaker 3: after all those years, like where we got in an 356 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,639 Speaker 3: argument or a fight, you know, as kids do, and 357 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,640 Speaker 3: then get back together or whatever, But I don't remember one. 358 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:07,400 Speaker 3: I always remember being good to me and like we 359 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 3: were besties. 360 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 2: As close as they were. Barbara Cotton did not share 361 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:18,160 Speaker 2: a whole lot of internal personal stuff with her friend Sandy, But. 362 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:23,479 Speaker 3: At the same time, I never saw her depressed or sad, 363 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 3: where I would have asked her like what's bothering you 364 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,199 Speaker 3: or anything. It's like once they had moved in across 365 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 3: they started a whole new life, and she just really 366 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 3: seemed to flourish in that. 367 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,239 Speaker 2: As time passed on, Sandy not only got to know 368 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 2: Barbara and her siblings, she got to know their mother, Louise, 369 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 2: and she would spend time with the family and was 370 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 2: included in the Cotton family outings. 371 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 3: She used to take us on little trips, like we 372 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 3: would go to dumpster something more or run down houses, 373 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,919 Speaker 3: you know that we're abandoned or whatever, and it'd be 374 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 3: like a treasure hunt and we come back with all 375 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 3: this dumb stuff that you really wouldn't mean, you know, 376 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 3: but it'd just be a fun outing. 377 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 2: The girls grew older, twelve thirteen years old, and one 378 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,119 Speaker 2: of Sandy's warmest memories are the nights the duo spent 379 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,360 Speaker 2: in a camper parked in the alley. 380 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 3: We had a bus camper. It had a big kitchen 381 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 3: in it, living room and fridge and all that, and 382 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 3: we would pack up the snacks and you know, maybe 383 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 3: the radio and maybe some cards or Connect four or something, 384 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 3: and we would just stay in there all night, having 385 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 3: sleepovers and just stay up all night talking about everything 386 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:47,159 Speaker 3: under the sun. 387 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 2: Sandy recalls that when Barbara was in seventh grade, she 388 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 2: had a crush on a neighborhood boy. I imagine Sandy 389 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 2: and Barbara hunkering down in the camper during a North 390 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 2: Dakota thunderstorm, playing cards and talking about their crushes. 391 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 3: And so he had more freedom than we did, and 392 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 3: we always just go I wonder if he's out in 393 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 3: the neighborhood riding around on his bike, you know, and 394 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:17,400 Speaker 3: things like that. 395 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:28,120 Speaker 2: These were the good years, the innocent years before high 396 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 2: school and the things that often come with it. 397 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 3: Barba and I hung together. There was never no drinking 398 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 3: or smoking or anything like that. It was good, wholesome 399 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 3: kid fun. 400 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 2: But somehow it seems all good things must come to 401 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 2: an end. 402 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 3: I would say that really when we started the lake 403 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 3: drift apart a little bit is when I went on 404 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 3: too high school and she stayed in junior high being 405 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:55,679 Speaker 3: a year younger than me. 406 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 2: Their separation then would never be fully reconnected. They remained friends, 407 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,400 Speaker 2: but they just started hanging out with different people, drifting 408 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:19,919 Speaker 2: apart a bit. Sandy Evanson does not believe that her 409 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 2: childhood friend Barbara just ran away one night forty years ago. 410 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 2: She's never believed the story even back then. 411 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,400 Speaker 3: Ah, but I think it was, Oh, she's a runaway 412 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 3: and I have to stay back. You know, when that happened, 413 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 3: we were all probably a little naive. Bad things didn't 414 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 3: happen like that that much. You did it, you know, 415 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 3: especially William Williston. 416 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:50,920 Speaker 2: Sandy's mother was good friends with Louise Cotton, Barbara's mother. 417 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,159 Speaker 3: So like, I would get all my information for my 418 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,360 Speaker 3: mom then, and my mom would tell me the police 419 00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 3: think she run away, and we all knew that she 420 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 3: didn't run away. It was just annoying and bother some. 421 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 2: One thing Sandy learned early on is that it was 422 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 2: assumed that Barbara had run away with this boyfriend who 423 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 2: apparently worked in the oil fields. 424 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 3: And then after that, they think she's run away with 425 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:22,640 Speaker 3: that guys, she was saying. And they're certain that they're 426 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 3: gonna like him being in the oil field seismographing. He 427 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,359 Speaker 3: was moving around from town to town, from job to job. 428 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 3: You know, they would do a job site in this 429 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,919 Speaker 3: town or that town, and then they'd put him up 430 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 3: at a hotel. So they just for sure they were 431 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 3: going to find her in one of his hotel rooms, 432 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 3: and I do believe two times, if I'm not mistaken, 433 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,680 Speaker 3: they went and searched his hotel room, but never found 434 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 3: any sign of her. 435 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 2: The sixteen year old Sandy Evanson or Sandy Schubert at 436 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 2: the time, didn't buy it at all. According to her memory, 437 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 2: she even did some neighborhood canvassing, knocking on doors along 438 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 2: Fifth Street West where Barbara would have walked after leaving 439 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 2: Recreation Park. 440 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,879 Speaker 3: And we knocked on some doors, and we remember looking 441 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 3: through the park yep, going through the park looking for 442 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 3: any sign, and we saw absolutely nothing. I only remember 443 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 3: one person answering the door, and it's like the second 444 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 3: walk from the park, I think, and that person and 445 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 3: that lady had says she didn't hear anything or see anything. 446 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 2: And speaking of canvassing the neighborhood, to Sandy's knowledge, the 447 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 2: police never did that. 448 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 3: What did you canvas the neighborhood? I'm almost one hundred 449 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 3: percent sure that they didn't. If the police had talked 450 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 3: to any of us, we would have probably sent him 451 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 3: over to the Luther's house because their house faced Barb's house, 452 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 3: and they knew all of us very well. They had 453 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 3: three kids that all played with us, and you know, 454 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 3: did you see barb walking home that night, or did 455 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 3: you see anything unusual that night? Or you know, or 456 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 3: do you know anything about who Bub's been hanging around with, 457 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 3: because kind of Pat Luther knew everything in the neighborhood. 458 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 2: Of course, it's possible the police did canvass the neighborhood. 459 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 2: I'm not certain at the time of this recording, but 460 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 2: one thing Sandy is certain of. They've never spoken with 461 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 2: her or asked her any questions. Her frustration is palpable. 462 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 3: I don't want a bad mouth the police, but in 463 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 3: some ways I do. I don't know if the police 464 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 3: when Barbera goes missing, did they ever talk to Kent 465 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 3: and Cathy, because they never did me. I don't remember 466 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 3: them asking any questions. And that's just the part where 467 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 3: she was always chalked up to be a runaway, but 468 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 3: nobody was ever asked any questions. 469 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 2: Some people in sandy situation would perhaps just give up 470 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 2: on finding answers about a friend. They would leave it 471 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 2: to the family and to the police, And basically she 472 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 2: did leave it to them for the most part, but 473 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 2: she never forgot about bar and others remembered Barbara too. 474 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 2: Almost fourteen years after she disappeared. In January of nineteen 475 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 2: ninety five, a reporter for the newspaper the Bismarck Tribune 476 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 2: published an article about Barbara after speaking with Barbara's mother, Louise, 477 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 2: her younger sister Kathy, and others. According to the article, 478 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 2: the last time the Cotton family had received any leads 479 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 2: had been nine years earlier. Barbara's mother, who is now deceased, 480 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 2: is quoted several times in the article. I want to 481 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 2: try to find her one more time, she said, and 482 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 2: I try to run down everything but never find anything. 483 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 2: I don't know what to say. We miss her and 484 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 2: love her and hope she's okay wherever she is. I'd 485 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 2: like to know what happened. I wish she would get 486 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 2: in touch with me. She still has money in the bank, 487 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 2: which I'd like to give to I was saving it 488 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:52,959 Speaker 2: for her college. I guess I should have let her 489 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 2: spend it. Barbara's sister Kathy was also quoted. We were 490 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 2: very close when she disappeared. I just want to tell 491 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 2: her to please call home. Williston police Chief Don Wentz 492 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 2: was also interviewed for the article. He noted that Barbara 493 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 2: left without her glasses and a paycheck from work. 494 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 3: Quote. 495 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 2: Those aren't the actions of a runaway. He was also 496 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 2: quoted as saying, at the time, we had posters out 497 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 2: and her picture on milk cartons, et cetera. We checked 498 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 2: out all leads. That was in nineteen ninety five. Fast 499 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 2: forward now sixteen years to the year twenty eleven, thirty 500 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 2: years since Barbara vanished. Sandy Evanson is not done looking 501 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 2: and with renewed energy, she has an idea and a 502 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 2: smidgeon of hope. 503 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 3: Thirty years down the road, I'm working for the Wilson Harold. 504 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 2: The Williston Herald is the newspaper in town. Sandy worked 505 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 2: in the circulation department. 506 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 3: And I'm like talking to my boss and go on, 507 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 3: you know, I wonder if the Harald be interested in 508 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 3: doing a story. And I started telling him about my friend, 509 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 3: and he's like, Sandy, put everything down that you can remember, 510 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 3: you know, on paper, and I'll give it to the editor. 511 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,960 Speaker 2: And so she did. She sits down and writes four 512 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 2: pages in Longhand of her memories about Barbara's disappearance. 513 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 3: Yep, as a matter of fact, I still have the 514 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 3: notes that I gave to the editor. 515 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 2: The Harald did run a story on April first, twenty eleven. 516 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 2: You may recall that I said that I'd read here 517 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 2: and there that when Barbara Cotton had dinner with her boyfriend, 518 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 2: a third person was also present. The article in the 519 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 2: Willison Harald, which seems to be based off of Sandy 520 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 2: Evanson's four pages of notes, identifies the third person by name. 521 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 2: According to the article, the third person was Louise Cotton, 522 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 2: Barbara's mother. If this is true, then before she disappeared, 523 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 2: Barbara had dinner with her boyfriend and her mother, and 524 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 2: therefore Louise Cotton was one of the last people to 525 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 2: see her daughter. This part gets confusing and is potentially important. 526 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 2: Sandy sent me her notes, the same notes she gave 527 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 2: the editor of the Williston Herald ten years ago, in 528 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 2: which seems to be the basis or main source of 529 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 2: that article. The following is from Sandy's notes. By the way, 530 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 2: Sandy is uncertain today if this information came directly from 531 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 2: Louise Cotton, or if Louise told Sandy's mother who told her. 532 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,239 Speaker 2: Louise said that Barbara and her boyfriend had dinner with 533 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 2: her at the old Cakes and Cones restaurant, having a 534 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 2: wonderful time. After some problems with Barb dating at her age, 535 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 2: they separated on good terms. Barb left with her boyfriend 536 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 2: and Louise returned home. After Barb never came home, she 537 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 2: got in touch with the boyfriend. He said that he 538 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 2: offered to walk Barbara home and she refused, saying she'd 539 00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 2: be fine. One of the questions I've asked the Williston 540 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 2: Police Department is exactly that was the third person Barbara's 541 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 2: mother at the time of this recording. I've not received 542 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,400 Speaker 2: a response yet, but let me explain why this feels 543 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:19,879 Speaker 2: so important and confusing right now. Ready, consider this, If 544 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,319 Speaker 2: the police have other information, meaning, according to them, the 545 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 2: third person was not Barbara's mother, then wouldn't you think 546 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 2: that after the article came out in twenty eleven in 547 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 2: the Williston Herald, they would reach out to the reporter 548 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 2: with the correction, or perhaps also to Sandy Evanson and 549 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 2: ask her about this conflicting information. After all, Sandy heard 550 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,399 Speaker 2: this either from Louise directly or from her mother who 551 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:49,440 Speaker 2: was friends with Louise. If you're an investigator looking into this, 552 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:53,319 Speaker 2: you might wonder if maybe Sandy's information is correct, not 553 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,200 Speaker 2: what you have in your police file. 554 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,840 Speaker 3: I'm really be very disappointed about that article too. About 555 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,960 Speaker 3: I'm not kidding. There was no comment from the police 556 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:04,759 Speaker 3: department on it. 557 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 2: But they didn't reach out and at least I've found 558 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,240 Speaker 2: no correction. And Sandy states that she has never spoken 559 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,719 Speaker 2: with the police about Barbara, so that leads us to 560 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 2: believe that it's true. Right, Louise Cotton is the third 561 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,719 Speaker 2: person who went to dinner with Barbara and her boyfriend. 562 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:27,320 Speaker 2: This would be all fine and dandy. But if that's true, 563 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:31,800 Speaker 2: why or why in the world did Louise Cotton, Barbara's 564 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 2: mother never tell her kids, Kent and Kathy, that she'd 565 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 2: gone to dinner with their sister on the night she vanished. 566 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 2: This is Kathy, Barbara Cotton's sister. 567 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, I see, I had no idea until last year. 568 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 3: Was I believe. 569 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 4: That my mom had I guess supper dinner supper with 570 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,360 Speaker 4: barb and her boyfriend. 571 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:22,640 Speaker 2: Barbara's brother, Kent Cotton, has also spoken with me about this. 572 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,000 Speaker 2: He doesn't remember hearing that his mother went to dinner 573 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:30,040 Speaker 2: with Barbara that night either. How is this possible? Did 574 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,799 Speaker 2: missus Cotton meet up with Barbara and her boyfriend and 575 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,719 Speaker 2: then not tell her other kids? About it for decades? 576 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 2: Did she never say I remember the last time I 577 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,440 Speaker 2: saw a bar and then elaborate when and where and 578 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:46,680 Speaker 2: if she thought Barbara was acting normal or differently? Or 579 00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 2: did missus Cotton tell her kids and they both forgot? 580 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,440 Speaker 2: Or is that story about Missus Cotton seeing Barbara and 581 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:58,080 Speaker 2: her boyfriend in town that night simply not true. We 582 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,759 Speaker 2: will be hearing more from Barbara's siblings later on. We 583 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 2: will also visit the park where Barbara was reportedly last seen. 584 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,200 Speaker 2: We'll be looking closer at the five city blocks of 585 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,520 Speaker 2: streets and homes between the park and the Cotton residents, 586 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:15,279 Speaker 2: will look closer at Barbara's personal life and ask was 587 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:19,279 Speaker 2: she a candidate for being a runaway. We'll also talk 588 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:27,240 Speaker 2: about abductions and look closer at Barbara's boyfriend. But before 589 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,440 Speaker 2: we move on to those things, I'd like to round 590 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,480 Speaker 2: off the saga of Sandy Evanson and her quest to 591 00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:38,840 Speaker 2: find answers about her childhood friend. Sandy would like to 592 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,239 Speaker 2: see the police share more information with her. She thinks 593 00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,880 Speaker 2: she might be able to help if just given a chance. 594 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:50,640 Speaker 3: Come on, it's been forty years. Can you tell us 595 00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:55,480 Speaker 3: if you ever like did Louise say that they went 596 00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:59,200 Speaker 3: out to eat or is this something that maybe was 597 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,600 Speaker 3: made up by loew later on, or does this story 598 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,520 Speaker 3: about them, you know, them going out to eating them 599 00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,799 Speaker 3: Bob going back with their boyfriend that night? All I 600 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,560 Speaker 3: have is hearsay to go on that from Louise telling 601 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:12,959 Speaker 3: my mom and my mom telling me. 602 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,759 Speaker 2: And Sandy doubts that the person or person's responsible for 603 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:23,160 Speaker 2: Barbara's disappearance are still alive, but she'd still like answers, 604 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:27,200 Speaker 2: would still like to see the case moving forward. Sandy 605 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:32,160 Speaker 2: stays creative and optimistic, looking for clues and witnesses, witnesses 606 00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,560 Speaker 2: who have aged forty years since that night. 607 00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:38,200 Speaker 3: It's not like you're going to prosecute him, but maybe, 608 00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,080 Speaker 3: like some of these memories coming up about this boyfriend, 609 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,000 Speaker 3: did they really eat at Cakes and Cones? Is that 610 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:47,840 Speaker 3: what Louise said or is that just something I misremember 611 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:53,640 Speaker 3: or that was miscommunicated or you know, or those kinds 612 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,480 Speaker 3: of things, And maybe that'll spark a memory of somebody 613 00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,920 Speaker 3: that worked at Cakes and Cones or you know what 614 00:38:58,960 --> 00:38:59,279 Speaker 3: I mean. 615 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:05,640 Speaker 2: Something tells me Sandy Evanson will never give up. Sandy Evanson, 616 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:09,719 Speaker 2: who knocked on doors and asked questions after Barbara vanished, 617 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,239 Speaker 2: was out a trace. Sandy who sent four pages of 618 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:17,120 Speaker 2: notes to the editor of the Williston Herald. Sandy who 619 00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,760 Speaker 2: used to hunker down with Barbara Cotton in a family 620 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:23,680 Speaker 2: camper and together listen to music and talk about all 621 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:32,319 Speaker 2: of the adventures that were still yet to come. You know, 622 00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:36,040 Speaker 2: if you could say something to Barbara today, regardless if 623 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:39,920 Speaker 2: she's alive or not, what would you like to say. 624 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:45,879 Speaker 3: I'm missed, sir. I'm sorry that I didn't do more 625 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:51,440 Speaker 3: back then. It I didn't call the police, spipe, but 626 00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:56,080 Speaker 3: my dad was an ex cop. Why didn't I go 627 00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,799 Speaker 3: to him more? And Oh, Dad, let's go down there 628 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,680 Speaker 3: and talk to him, man at talk to any of us. 629 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,960 Speaker 3: But I didn't understand how investigation worked, you know, at 630 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:08,960 Speaker 3: that age. And I feel guilty that we didn't do 631 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:14,319 Speaker 3: enough early on. I feel terrible that this happened to her, 632 00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,879 Speaker 3: and she should have the chance to live and live 633 00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,680 Speaker 3: a good life and have kids and get married, and 634 00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,920 Speaker 3: then we'd all be hanging out together now instead of 635 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:29,839 Speaker 3: doing a podcast about her. 636 00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:37,640 Speaker 2: Very recently, Sandy got excited. There was brand new hope, 637 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:41,280 Speaker 2: a new path forward, and an opportunity to help police 638 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,680 Speaker 2: find answers in any way she could. In twenty twenty, 639 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,200 Speaker 2: the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children came to 640 00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:53,080 Speaker 2: Williston to review Barbara's case, and suddenly Sandy got a 641 00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,600 Speaker 2: call and a voicemail from a detective at the Williston 642 00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:57,560 Speaker 2: Police Department. 643 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,399 Speaker 3: And I don't have my phone on me when I'm 644 00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,879 Speaker 3: at work or whenever she called me. I'm away from 645 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,120 Speaker 3: my phone a lot, and so I didn't get her 646 00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,440 Speaker 3: phone call right away, and I literally called her back. 647 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,840 Speaker 3: And I had to be over two weeks, at least 648 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,359 Speaker 3: four to five times, going I missed your call. Here's 649 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,319 Speaker 3: what I'm going to be available if you want to 650 00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,719 Speaker 3: talk to me. I'll set aside from two to five 651 00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,960 Speaker 3: o'clock on Tuesday, or you know that kind of thing. 652 00:41:30,800 --> 00:42:04,200 Speaker 3: Never ever, ever, once got a return phone call from her. 653 00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,880 Speaker 2: Still to come on this season of Dakota Spotlight a 654 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:15,160 Speaker 2: Better Search for Barbara. 655 00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:20,400 Speaker 4: I remember a guy sleep sleeping an art couch one 656 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,000 Speaker 4: day when I came home from school. 657 00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,560 Speaker 2: So are you telling me that law enforcement never interviewed 658 00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:27,319 Speaker 2: you back then? 659 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:28,440 Speaker 4: Never? 660 00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:30,959 Speaker 3: I don't even remember. The police coming to the house 661 00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,120 Speaker 3: was awesome and came into the park and then we 662 00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:37,480 Speaker 3: would always King corner up to that corner of fifth 663 00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,200 Speaker 3: and Third Avenue, and then walked straight up Fifth. 664 00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,480 Speaker 4: The pieces that I put together are not good. Does 665 00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:46,960 Speaker 4: not end up into a good puzzle. 666 00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:50,440 Speaker 3: She didn't handle boyfriend. 667 00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:00,160 Speaker 2: Dakota Spotlight is a production of forum communications researched and 668 00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:04,160 Speaker 2: recorded and edited by me James Walner. This season is 669 00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:16,920 Speaker 2: dedicated to my daughters and to all daughters everywhere. Some 670 00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,759 Speaker 2: music in this season, including the song you're listening to now, 671 00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:23,400 Speaker 2: provided by North Dakota born former Wishik Area resident and 672 00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:27,640 Speaker 2: U n D grad Isaac Turner of Kalamazoo, Michigan and 673 00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:31,680 Speaker 2: his seemingly infinite number of musical bands and projects. This 674 00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,960 Speaker 2: band is named Wowza in Kalamazoo. We also heard a 675 00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:38,360 Speaker 2: little from his band's Out and the Hollis Group. Search 676 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,640 Speaker 2: for wowsa Out and the Hollisgroup on bandcamp dot com 677 00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,120 Speaker 2: or see the links in the show notes. Thanks much, 678 00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,759 Speaker 2: Isaac and friends. To learn more about missing kids, check 679 00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,839 Speaker 2: out the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children at 680 00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:54,760 Speaker 2: Missingkids dot org. To contact me, shoot me an email 681 00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:59,200 Speaker 2: at Dakota Spotlight at gmail dot com. If you're loving 682 00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:01,359 Speaker 2: this season, please tell your friends in real life and 683 00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,680 Speaker 2: on social media, and give me a review and a 684 00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:07,000 Speaker 2: rating on Apple Podcasts, and why not come and join 685 00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,400 Speaker 2: us at the Dakota Spotlight Facebook group. Thank you so 686 00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,480 Speaker 2: much for listening to this episode of season five, A 687 00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:17,640 Speaker 2: Better Search for Barbara. Be safe, stay warm, and see 688 00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:18,239 Speaker 2: you next time.